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Patriots Unfiltered 1/16: Vrabel's First Week, NFL Draft Talk, Divisional Round Playoff Picks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Someone clipped off the part anyway of Evan's recommendation of power.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, although a lot of people don't some people people
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  Speaker 3: I think Drake may had a good rookie year, good
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  Speaker 3: good rookie year.
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  Speaker 2: They're still basking in the glow of the Mike Rabel
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  Speaker 2: higher and uh, Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt
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  Speaker 2: the booth. But I guess our show was on the
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  Speaker 6: Briefly they were like, that was pretty cool, Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what he knows.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody knows.
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  Speaker 2: It's the world's original.
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  Speaker 3: But the reason they focused on Rabel and not.
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  Speaker 2: Us, Yeah, I can't believe it, Hug. You know it
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  Speaker 2: took a brand new head coach being hired for us
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  Speaker 2: to make it to the big time. But no, it
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  Speaker 2: was cool to see have.
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  Speaker 3: Been made fun of on the McAfee show in the past.
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  Speaker 6: That's right for some of us.
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  Speaker 3: That would be me. I think he made fun of
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  Speaker 3: my accident. Oh yeah, yeah, when was this during the
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  Speaker 3: summer preseason games.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have really that much of an accident.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's there, but anyway, and I think it
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  Speaker 3: was certainly not as bad as it was when I
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  Speaker 3: went to buy I was inundated.
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  Speaker 2: That was fun and thanks to one of our listeners
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  Speaker 6: I know, Yeah I went and found it. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: had to scrub through.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit, but yeah, good stuff. Yeah, so that
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  Speaker 2: was a big day on Monday. We talked a lot
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  Speaker 2: about Tuesday, and we're going to continue talking about what's next.
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  Speaker 2: Offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, what's going on. Like right now,
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  Speaker 2: all we know is Mike Rabel's the head coach.
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  Speaker 6: I kind of like it, Like I like that he's
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  Speaker 6: just kind of gone into the cave. We don't run
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  Speaker 6: out here in any reports. And yeah, I'm sure they're
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  Speaker 6: grinding away trying to put everything into place. But I
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  Speaker 6: would assume, you know, like as teams get out of
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  Speaker 6: the playoffs and the All Star Games start to happen,
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  Speaker 6: you'll start to see guys cut loose, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: then maybe you'll see some movement. I thought it'll be
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  Speaker 6: the next stuff to start to fall.
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  Speaker 2: Because the Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl is the end
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  Speaker 2: of January.
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  Speaker 4: Ye, not next week, but the week.
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  Speaker 2: After, so you got to send people there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm hoping that the head coach will
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  Speaker 4: be there for us.
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  Speaker 2: You think you think he should be there?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, if he's going to have as much of
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  Speaker 4: a hand in personnel as what is being reported that
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  Speaker 4: he's going to have a hand in personnel, then then yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think he should be there.
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  Speaker 6: This chess plate down there was did you ask him
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  Speaker 6: about that? I thought that was funny. I did get
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  Speaker 6: his chest plate mobile start engaging with someone.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to make a big deal out of
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  Speaker 4: it if.
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  Speaker 6: He's not there, but maybe he's getting engaged.
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  Speaker 3: See what you did there.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, my impression of those All Star games
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  Speaker 2: is it's not first round people, it's the later round
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  Speaker 2: guys that you are there for.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, usually there there might be some back end of
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  Speaker 4: the first round guys that sneak in to the Senior Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: For example, last year, Tyler Geiton, the tackle for the Cowboys,
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  Speaker 4: was a Senior Bowl guy and he went right at
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  Speaker 4: the you know, in the twenties, somewhere in the first round.
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  Speaker 4: So sometimes you get those types of guys, but obviously
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  Speaker 4: it's mostly seniors, so none of the early declares for
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  Speaker 4: the most part, are there. And those are a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the guys that go at the top of the draft,
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  Speaker 4: right are the guys that are true juniors now Pennix
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  Speaker 4: was there last year now that I'm trying to think
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  Speaker 4: about it, but he was a quarterback, so that's a
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  Speaker 4: little different. You're not you're wearing the red jersey, you're
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  Speaker 4: not getting hit.
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  Speaker 2: But I heard him with the shrine. They're bringing in
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  Speaker 2: juniors now.
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  Speaker 4: Or yeah, they're allowed, they're they're kind of allotting like
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  Speaker 4: a certain number of spots to juniors now for the game,
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  Speaker 4: just to get some of the hype, you know, for
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  Speaker 4: the game up a little bit more by getting some
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  Speaker 4: of the higher end guys.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just looking at some of the names.
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  Speaker 6: I found a website that had some of it, just
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  Speaker 6: had him rank kind of the Senior Bowl guys, which
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you guys all know Jalen Milroe, but you
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  Speaker 6: know Nick Scouton, who's an edge, m Walter, Nolan d
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  Speaker 6: l A.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of those like made like late Dan one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: those late Day one, early Day two receivers and tackles
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  Speaker 4: often go to Mobile to the Senior Bowl. So like
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  Speaker 4: last year we saw you know Kingsley, Sue Mattia was
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  Speaker 4: there and Tyler Geydon was there and you know those
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  Speaker 4: types of players. So we'll see that again this year.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Sebastian Volmer rose up the ranks a little
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  Speaker 2: bit performance at the senior.
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  Speaker 6: Is it weird that Shuter Sanders is going to the
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  Speaker 6: Shrine Bowl. That seems a little strange for you know,
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  Speaker 6: arguably the top quarterback that.
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  Speaker 4: Well it's at the Star in Dallas, so I think
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  Speaker 4: that's a big part of it, not because of the
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  Speaker 4: head coaching job, but just because of of the obvious
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  Speaker 4: connection there.
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  Speaker 7: So.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, he committed early in the process to go to
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  Speaker 4: the Shrine Bowl. So I'm not sure if he's going
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  Speaker 4: to do anything. He might just be interviewing and meeting
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  Speaker 4: with teams there. I don't know if he's actually going
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  Speaker 4: to practic.
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  Speaker 2: Is okay coaching search for other teams. I guess Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Glenn has said the Jets are his number is his
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  Speaker 2: number one destination? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yep uh.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of Ben Johnson to the Raiders talk
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  Speaker 3: late because I thought, I wonder where that's coming from.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's coming from Ben Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know where it's coming
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  Speaker 3: from a.
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  Speaker 2: Point because you know, when you look at the destinations
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  Speaker 2: like the Raiders, you know, if I'm a head coach.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at There's a lot of factors. Obviously money
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  Speaker 2: is is a big one, but like what's their current status?
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  Speaker 2: What do I think we can get to? Like where
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  Speaker 2: where can we get And everybody mentions the facilities and
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  Speaker 2: all that, and that's important, but not as important as
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  Speaker 2: all the other stuff.
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  Speaker 6: It's a weird roster when you got two tight ends,
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  Speaker 6: I mean offensively, like you know, that's That's what's interesting
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  Speaker 6: to me is how he would go there and what
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  Speaker 6: the plan would be. It's it's kind of a blank slate.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, I would wonder what their plan is
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  Speaker 3: at quarterback because that's the number one thing I think.
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  Speaker 3: I was kind of thinking Ben Johnson would be interested
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  Speaker 3: in the Jacksonville job because Trevor Lawrence is a guy
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  Speaker 3: that I'm guessing Ben Johnson probably feels like I can run.
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  Speaker 3: He's he's got some experience already, you know, I can
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  Speaker 3: sort of hit the ground running. I can help him
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  Speaker 3: fulfill his potential. He's got some good weapons with the Raiders.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a bad situation, but you can't
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  Speaker 3: argue that there's no quarterback there and it's been a
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  Speaker 3: train wreck the I mean, the Jets are the punching
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  Speaker 3: bag for everybody. The Raiders have been just as bad,
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  Speaker 3: you know, say over the last fifteen years or whatever
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  Speaker 3: you want to call it. I mean they really struggle.
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  Speaker 2: Have they had a crack at a top quarterback in
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  Speaker 2: the draft, because the Jets did, and they blew.
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  Speaker 3: It multiple times. The Jets had Darnolds, the Jets had
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  Speaker 3: Zach Wilson WI.
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  Speaker 2: But have the Raiders had a crack at a top quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Since JaMarcus Russell. I can't think of one off the
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  Speaker 4: top of my head that they've drafted high.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've just had a second round he was an
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  Speaker 3: early second They were kind.
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  Speaker 6: Of these free agent cast off guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been going through.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Derek Carr was the quarterback there for a
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  Speaker 4: long time and he was a high second round pick,
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  Speaker 4: but he was there for what eight years? Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 4: been the guy there for a while.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why I think maybe the Jets are a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more looked at as a joke because they
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  Speaker 2: had a shot at, you know, that some of the
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  Speaker 2: top quarterbacks and they blew it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's just hard I think for the team,
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  Speaker 6: like the raiders where maybe you're always good enough to
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  Speaker 6: not be in the top ten, but you're never bad
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  Speaker 6: enough to get down into you know, into that one
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  Speaker 6: where you probably get a chance and you're.
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  Speaker 3: But they they have though, they've been dreadfully bad. Now
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  Speaker 3: they haven't just bad drafting. They haven't taken the quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 3: but they've had a lot of like bust first round picks.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Darius Hayward Bay, JaMarcus Russell or like two of
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  Speaker 4: the big a bus of all time.
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  Speaker 3: But even go like recently Tyree Wilson. Yeah, it's been
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  Speaker 3: kind of you know, I told you that it was
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  Speaker 3: a top ten pick.
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  Speaker 6: Rights were awful.
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  Speaker 4: They Colon Ferrell, Yeah, that was the one I was. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they just started to prioritize like power off the edge
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  Speaker 4: and and like those guys just were were not high
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  Speaker 4: end pass rushers. You know, they would just push people
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  Speaker 4: around and stuff like that. And you see that in
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  Speaker 4: the college game a lot. But then when you get
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  Speaker 4: to the pros and you're playing against adults, it's not
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  Speaker 4: as easy to bull rush guys and move guys and
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  Speaker 4: things like that.
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  Speaker 2: And then McCarthy it looks like the Bears are interested
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  Speaker 2: in him, and obviously he might be interested in them
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  Speaker 2: with their situation Cowboys. I don't know if this Sanders
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  Speaker 2: stuff is going to happen, that would be wild. If
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  Speaker 2: it did, it would be like a weekly soap opera
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  Speaker 2: down there. It would be great, would be fair. It
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  Speaker 2: would be great for the league and great for the fans.
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  Speaker 3: I just think it'd be it'd be great for you know,
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  Speaker 3: whatever happens, Yeah, right, what or that it would be
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  Speaker 3: spectacular either way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that'd be a spectacular fail or a spectacular success.
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  Speaker 6: Cowboy hats that he'd bust out.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure it would be. That would be fun.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that would be fun.
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  Speaker 3: It's sign up for that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Do you think though he would try to get if
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  Speaker 6: it did happen, he would try to get shitt or somehow.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, would that be a priority for him when
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  Speaker 6: in the interview process with Jerry, like well that's how
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  Speaker 6: can we get my kid to me?
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  Speaker 2: That That makes it even more intriguing, like what what
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  Speaker 2: effect does Sanders going to the Cowboys have on the draft?
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  Speaker 2: Are we going to have a draft where it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be an l Way or Eli Manning situation?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I think it's possible. For both those
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  Speaker 4: Colorado guys, him and Travis Hunter, that they try to
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  Speaker 4: control a little bit where they go, you know, just
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  Speaker 4: based off of vibes of you know, I don't really
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  Speaker 4: want to go to Cleveland, you know, just throwing that
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  Speaker 4: out there, and yeah, you know teams like that, see yeah,
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  Speaker 4: maybe even Tennessee. But the Cowboys are at twelve in
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  Speaker 4: the draft.
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  Speaker 3: That's tough to orchestrate. One of them is from twelve.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they would have to trade up pretty significant
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  Speaker 4: haul to move up there. So it's been done. It's
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  Speaker 4: not it wouldn't be the first time.
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  Speaker 2: But and then there's all this talk about Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't have a signed contract and all this stuff
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  Speaker 2: and more great your guy Mike Lombardi felt the need
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  Speaker 2: to come down to his demands poorly. One thing I'll
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  Speaker 2: say to me, there's no way in hell that Bill
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  Speaker 2: Belichick is not going to coach at U and see
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  Speaker 2: this season, now next season is a whole different thing.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think I'm not really I there's no
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  Speaker 2: like it would be such a bad look, such a
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  Speaker 2: bad look, you know, the one you didn't have any
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  Speaker 2: options or you felt you didn't have any options. This
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  Speaker 2: team gives you that option and then you're gonna leave
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  Speaker 2: them at the altar. I just don't see him doing that.
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  Speaker 3: That's just poor to me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just already being hired.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah now next year, next year, everything's on the on
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  Speaker 2: the table.
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  Speaker 3: You're probably right. I just wouldn't say definitively. I think
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  Speaker 3: there's a reason that all this talk has been out there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, people want it's news. It's it's you know, clicks.
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  Speaker 2: It's sure you talk about it. But I just don't
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  Speaker 2: see him doing that. Well.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I think a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Carolina says, you know what, we're sick of this,
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  Speaker 2: you're out.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I just think that the thing with the Jets,
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  Speaker 6: I resigned as the HG name like Jay, like it's
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  Speaker 6: you know, there's a little bit of Proviti are unconventional.
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  Speaker 2: That's different. That's different. I can't that's not an apple.
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  Speaker 3: He'll spell a word right in his response this time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh uh, So those are the thing we haven't heard about,
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  Speaker 2: like what New Orleans is leaning toward right?
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  Speaker 8: Or have we?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they've had a ton of interviews too. There
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  Speaker 3: have been a lot of interviews and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: requests from interviews. You knows Kellen Moore I think just
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  Speaker 3: got requested by Dallas. Yep, you know, put him. And
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  Speaker 3: there's some urgency there because you know Philly still playing
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  Speaker 3: and I don't if Philly wins over the weekend, then
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  Speaker 3: you're not gonna be able to get him for a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. This is this is your window to talk
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  Speaker 3: to him. Are you surprised at all that.
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  Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy's getting immediate interest to go right.
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  Speaker 2: Back a little bit? I am a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean his record is good. I just don't
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  Speaker 3: think he's a very good coach.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think his record's good. I think he's good
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  Speaker 4: with quarterbacks and they have a young quarterback in Chicago
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  Speaker 4: that needs guidance, Like he doesn't need Ben Johnson necessarily
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  Speaker 4: right now, he needs somebody to put his arm over
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  Speaker 4: bear yeah and be like this is what we're gonna do,
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  Speaker 4: and you know this is how you're going to do it, and.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely right.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, do you think that's unique to because of
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  Speaker 6: what Chicago needs or you know, like, is it all.
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  Speaker 4: Because they've interviewed him and Pete Carroll? So it seems
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  Speaker 4: to be like the two favorites for that job are
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  Speaker 4: a steady hand, a raw, raw guy. You know, someone
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  Speaker 4: that's gonna make Caleb feel good about it.
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  Speaker 2: According to this research thing I get from the league,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Brady might be going to the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that has been that has been talked about.
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  Speaker 4: Him and Liam Cohane have been talked about a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the Buccaneers offensive coordinator for the Jaguars job. So
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  Speaker 4: those are two guys that are both kind of the similar.
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  Speaker 2: And then Sallas picking up steam too where Jaguars as
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  Speaker 2: well and Cowboys Cowboys interesting? Yeah, Pete Carroll, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't interview with the Bears and.
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  Speaker 3: Caroll, Mike McCarthy stuff like, I mean, I think Evans
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  Speaker 3: reasoning is very sound, but I don't I don't know to.
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  Speaker 4: Excite me at all.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff I don't either Bears. That wouldn't excite me at all.
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  Speaker 6: Like he's gonna be here. He's how old is he now?
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  Speaker 6: Like seventy four seventy five?
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  Speaker 3: I mean he's oldest.
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  Speaker 6: He was the oldest coach in the league.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess if you if you hired someone like
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  Speaker 3: that and it worked, then maybe you know, you get
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years out of him and now, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so it worked, and Caleb Williams is now on the track,
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  Speaker 3: So now I can bring someone else in kind of
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  Speaker 3: like what I talked about with Ben Johnson or you
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  Speaker 3: know what, You're having a young offensive coordinator that you
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  Speaker 3: bring in for Drake May right now and it works,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody's like, well, then you're gonna lose him. He's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a head coach. But it worked, So
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Drake May is sort of kind of offensive coordinator proof. Now.
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would get it if it was
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: It wouldn't except with Carthy, where he's an offensive guy
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: and he has experienced with quarterbacks. I get it. But
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: with Pete Carroll being a defensive guy. But maybe to
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: your point, there's a higher, a high level OC who
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: then is kind of the head coach.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: He's another one of those like old school West Coast
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: guys too. That's kind of boring to me.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he is an old school West Coast guy.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: But I get the McCarthy love because he comes with
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: an offense, right he's going to install an offense. He's
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: gonna run the cornerback like that. I totally understand. I
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: don't I don't get Pete Carroll where he's a defensive minded,
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: seventy five year old head coach. Like, I don't see where.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: He's a young, seventy five young he's got.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: A lot of energy, got a lot of energy.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Choose that guy.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a lot going on. But to original point,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: and when it comes back to the Patriots, these Senior Bowl,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: the Shrine Bowler is coming up fast, and they're gonna
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: have to send people to it besides Mike Vrabel.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's part of why you keep
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: the scouting staff on board. I mean there's just it's
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: impossible to completely hire a new staff in three weeks.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Right, you guys have been to these games, right, No,
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: you have never been the practices, So no, I don't.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: You don't mean the game itself. I mean, like like
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: the week, how much how many coaches go.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Quite a few.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about for the Patriots, I'm talking
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: about league. Yeah, there's quite a lot of coach quite
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: a few, not just personnel staffs.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Look, it's it's a networking.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's if the combine spring break for the NFL,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: then the Senior Bowl is like sort of like a
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: warm up to spring break. I don't know, I don't
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: have a good analogy there, but it's it's similar where
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of it.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Would probably have something for that.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Where a lot of it is is networking and going
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: out to the bars and mobile until two o'clock in
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: the morning, and that's where a lot of the things
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: start to hatch. You know, a lot of the things
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: in the off season start to hatch. So a lot
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: of it is that. And then there are the hard oh's.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: You know, Mike Tomlin every year is like down on
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: the field, like in the practice, even if he's not
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: coaching the team, he somehow finds his way, you know,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: in the middle of drills and things like that. And
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: so there are the scouting hardos that will go and
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: really watch the practices. And as we know, the Patriots
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: have put in the past and put a lot of
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: emphasis on how they do against the competition that they're
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: facing at the Senior Bowl, especially so.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Do a lot of unemployed coaches go.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Rabel was there last year as an
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: unemployed coach before he got the brow he could Yeah. Yeah,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of networking, a lot of you know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: just seeing what's up and you know, what might be
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: available and opportunities and things like that, and even just
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: talking to coaches that maybe you have interest in teaming
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: up with down the line, which is definitely that I
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: thought of with Rabel when this all started to go down,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: was you know, he's probably there talking to SEE candidates,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: talking to DC candidates, you know, things like that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yep. So that's coming up. Combine will be at the
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: end of March yep, February into March yep. Uh, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: then of course the draft's coming up, so getting ready
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: for all of that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: We're just me and never were planning out. Some of
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: our writing are all the mock drafts and videos and everything.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: So yeah, now it'll be a I like, I gotta
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: be honest, I I'm so re energized right now with
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Rabel coming in here and just each day. And I
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: think it's also just the respect around the league that
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: he clearly has, both with players that played under him
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: or you know, I think even just coaches, and you know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: they took a swing last year on Girod who was
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: kind of an unknown commodity, but just the you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: it just feels like they're having an innate level of
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: respect now that what Mike Rabel can do here. And
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: I just I think it's a it's been just a
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: big kick in the pants. I feel like it's been good.
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: And that's the thing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: You know, we say, well, are you surprised that McCarthy
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: is getting attention, and I am. But then at the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: at the same time, you look at a team like Chicago,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: for example, which was in such disarray when it came
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: to coaching that last year.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: That's a good point.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: You just need somebody to land the plane right, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: you get somebody with experience at least you can get
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: some stability in, you know, order to your your franchise.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know we've been critical of Sean McDermott
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: at times, but you know, with Joe Brady getting interviews
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: now and you know, they're consistently good, Like I mean,
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: are they You know, they got to still get over
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: the hump and get a Super Bowl. But at the
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: same time, I think that's what he's done in Buffalo.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: He's established a program they you know, I don't know
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: if they're maybe kind of coordinator proof at this point,
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: but at least on the defensive side of the ball,
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: they've been, uh, personnel proof a little bit, and I think,
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: you know, that's what every team is hoping for just
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: that we can withstand the inevitable change that happens with
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: coaching and personnel, and we have an identity that and
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: granted a lot of that is based on the quarterback,
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: but but still, I think, you know, defensively, they showed
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: this year that they've been able to with stand some
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: of the turnover with guys who have really defined who
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: their defense has been the last okay, five six years.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: We will have picks today. We'll be doing the round.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Should we also picked the National championship game?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I think unprepared? Okay, I got the spread for that
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: one too.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll do that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: That's the whole I watched the whole Ohio State game
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: last I telling the guys like, I haven't watched a
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: full college football game in a long time, but that
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: Ohio State game I was. I was in the whole way.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: It was really fun, really fun to watch.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: So, all right, what do you think of Mike Evan
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I stayed up to like eleven, I've always all growns up.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: He watched a college.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Couple, couple edgreshers in that game for you, Mike.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: Oh, I know, yeah, yeah, he is. I mean obviously
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: ended the game, and I mean, what a story with
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: you know, being the former you know, Aller's former roommate
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: and all that. But I still go back to what
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: I think of college football, which is just so.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty cool, fast and loose and.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: Unpredictable, and that's I'm interested to see Bill coach in
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: that environment where mistakes, penalties like the things he hates
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: that I feel like he tries to life and jamp
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: out are such a big part of all these games
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: where it's just big plays and a penalty, and you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: it's just it's all over the place.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: The crazy you know, he'll bench the full running back
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: for fumbling and the boosted Like Bill, we're paying him
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: five million dollars a year. Money he's got to play.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you knew this, dude, but Jack
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Sawyer grew up an Ohio State Buckeyes fan.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And that's a big story right right down the street.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: That's where I sort of go and like a lot
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: of these guys that play college football love the school
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: they're playing for. I don't need to know, but I
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: just think it was kind of kind of cool that
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: yours in Sya were roommates and they sort of bust
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: each other balls after the game, and I was wondering.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Fans that not like that.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to exactly what I was
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: going to say. Would that bug you if you were
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a Texas fan that you know, like the game's over
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: and he's like not laughing about it. I mean, it
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: was devastated, but you know sort of recognize that it's
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: my friend that that did that. Like, so is that real?
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Like Texas fans.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Were like, oh yeah, well, I mean yours is not good,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: and I like, I'm probably gonna pret this in like
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: a two years when he's he's not good and he's.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: A good college guy, not an NFL coach quarterback in
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: my opinion.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're watching the tape of that game and I'm like,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: arch Manning could wasn't better than this.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Like my brother and I had a long talk about that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Find it hard to believe, but in college you pay
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: your dues and you wait your turn, and that's how
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: a lot of those schools work. And uh with sarkisian
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: but I just yeah, I don't know, I don't really
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: care about when I think.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: That Sark really showed a lot of loyalty to yours,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: and you know, and in that sport in particular college football,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: but college athletics in general, you don't see that either way.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: You don't see the players have the loyalty to the program,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: or you don't see the coaches have the loyalty to
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: the players.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So it was.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Refreshing to see that. But you wonder if he cost
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: himself there, because if arch Manning played the whole year.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: He played a couple of games, you know when youers
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: got hurt. If he played the whole year, how much
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: better might the offense have been?
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: What is he a retort sophomore?
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: Now?
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is yeah, he'll be his years, he'll have
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: his third year coming up.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: He'll be the starter next year.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well, like the leader, he can he's not
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: like he can run. So they do have a package
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: in there for him to run the ball a little
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: bit on some zone reads and things like that. And
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: yours is a statue.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: So it's funny, you know, Eli and Peyton with such
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: pocket passers, and yet Archie was the ultimate scramble.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: He's much more like he like his grandfather.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, respect that's interesting, Yeah, much more like that. But
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: he's he's a talented kid. You can tell just you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: obviously he's very fundamentally sound and all that kind of
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: stuff because he's been coached by quarterbacks his whole life.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: So the fact that he's willing to stay there for
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: two years too, you know, without playing. Yeah, I mean
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: he played a little this year, but obviously not being
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: the starter.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: I just think like for somebody like me, who's totally
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: the casual of casual college football fans, I was invested,
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Like I'm invested in this playoff. I'm interested. These are
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: good teams.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: You get in.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: It's not like you have two games to watch them
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: when they had the semi final. Now you get to
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: watch a few games with these guys.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: And I think that means something.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like we start to become a little bit more
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: familiar with the players, and I've started to see, you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: a thing I've always hated is like, well, he's an
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: Ohio State middle linebacker. I mean, that's the thing, right,
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: But you start to see why people kind of connect
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: all those players.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Like I always try to.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Look at guys individually and like, well, it's a big deal,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: he's an Ohio State middle linebacker. But you start to
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: see that those guys and I'm just using that as
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: an example, but you know, you start to see the
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: traits that always kind of carry over, like they always
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: seem kind of like the same guys a lot. And
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: you know, I hadn't something I didn't appreciate as much
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: when I didn't watch a lot of college football. But
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: the more you see it where you know, even with
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: abdual Carter as eleven, you're like, yeah, he's kind of
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Michael Parsons a little bit. You know, you start to
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: draw still.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Can't and I watch more college football than you do,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: probably not anywhere near as much as your boy Barth does.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Nobody nobody, that's impossible.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: But I like, I'll just watch games and I'll be like, oh,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: you know, that guy has had a pretty good game,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: and then you know, forty eight hours later, I have
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: no idea who that guy was, you know what I mean.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: And I don't necessarily watch it like that. I just
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: watched the teams and you know, the big names obviously,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: but you know, like Jack Sawyer is he's a good player,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: but now like he made those plays and you sort
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: of stand out in the playoffs and like, okay, now
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I remember this guy, Jack Sawyer. He plays. You know,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: he's an edge guy. You know, plays for Ohio State.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Didn't do it again, right, Whereas I watched Ohio State
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: probably four times this year. I don't remember Jack Sawyer.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he made plays and all the games that
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I watched. But I just think the playoffs are offered
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a different and I think a
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: lot of people watch, like me, just to watch the game,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: not necessarily like identifying this.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Guy, this guy, this Comcast I have that have that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Sea button, So you hit the Sea button on Saturday,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: and it's got all the lists of the games, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you go down the list and you see, oh, this
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: is a close game, so then you go into that game.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: That's how I do it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: Well, that's why I think Barth provides a service when
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: he watches some of these games and he'll tweet out
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: lists of draft guys.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not interested in that at all, and
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not This is nothing against no ahead. I just
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: want to watch the games. I don't want to watch
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: the games with the thought of, oh they might I'm
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: not a scout.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: That's not what I do.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: That's I don't pretend to be one. And it's I'm
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: not really interested in being one. I just want to
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: watch the game, like that Scataboo kid. I loved watching play, right,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: not because I think he's going to do anything in
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: the NFL. Opposite, like I like watching him play. Even
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: though I did, he wasn't necessarily my You know this,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: he's dead to me. He's a try hard, unbelievable.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Why don't you like it?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Because he's he's kind of a dick. I mean, he's
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: always he's always yelling at. He's a heart definite like
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: he's not my kind of guy. Like, I mean, he
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: basically just carried.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: He didn't like that because he'd be the guy yelling
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: at Paul.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Come on, Paul, first of all, to suggest that I
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: was alignment, I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: No, it would be like, get us sit down the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: huddle quicker. Okay, now I could helpen All right, Let's
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: get to some of the emails and phone calls. Podcasts
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com is the email address. The tpx
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: houtline is eight five to five pass five hundred. We'll
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: start with podcasts at Patriots dot com. This is from
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Chris in the UK and it's unclassified NATO communications. So
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: this guy is important, Wow, he says, catching up on
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a podcast from a few weeks ago December twenty sixth,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you had a call or mentioned that the league is
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: rubbish today. One of the justifications for this, put forward
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: by you was that too many teams are either uncompetitive
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: or overly on, suggesting that there's a lack of depth
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: in the talent pool. I remember that conversation, the disparity.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I would argue that the depth of talent is not
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: really an issue, but more about how the talent available
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: is spread throughout the league. Hypothetically, an ideal spread of
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: talent would see any team capable of beating another and
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: everyone ending the season within one win over under a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: five hundred record. If you take that as the perfect situation,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: A realistic goal would surely be a season with all
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: teams somewhere between point twenty five and point seventy five
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: in the final standings. And then he attaches the table
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: to show how that would look, which I'm not going
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: to get into.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: That would be an absolute night.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, taking this metric, the best season in the last
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: twenty three years were two thousand and two, two thousand
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: and three, ten and eighteen. The worst season in terms
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: of competitive across the board was twenty four, followed by
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: twenty two. In fact, with the exception of twenty eleven,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: four of the worst seasons in the last twenty three
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: years have been in the last six So the caller
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: did have a point. The competitives across the league is
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: currently poor in terms of distribution of talent.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: It's a very at I would just break it down why.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I just want to see it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: But I'd like to see a competitive wildcard weekend that
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: that's the when.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Was the last time you did? And adding playoff teams
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: is not helping you?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They correct, But here's here's the one factor I would
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: say is more important in football than any other sport,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and when it terms competitiveness, it's coaching. There's also a
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: lack of good coaching across the board.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I agree with you on that, and I would say
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: that that's all accurate in terms of the competitive and
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: the non competitive and all that stuff. I just don't
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: think it's because of talent, right, I just I think
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: there's a lot. I think there's plenty of talent, you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: spread out around the league. I think there's a lot
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: of really good players on really bad teams. You know
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: a lot. Now some of the really bad teams have
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: also you know, like I always use Carolina as an example.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: They recently just decided we're going to get rid of
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: every good player we have because we just we're starting over.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: And you know, Brian Burns went and Christian McCaffrey went,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and you know, like they just decided we're going to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: strip it to the studs and they're going to start over.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Some teams are like that. Other teams are not bad
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: because of that. Like the Jets certainly aren't bad because
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: of that. You know, that's a team that's tried and failed.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: So is talent a problem? Is the Jets have five
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: wins because of no talent?
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I would say that quarterback talent's a problem.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: No, No, I get that, But they haven't been good.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: But it's not because of a lack of talent. They're
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: missing other things. And I think your point is much
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: more valid than talent coaching.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: You need good coaching.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right for it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: That's what I like about the NFL is that, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: football in general, is that it's always kind of a
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: chemistry experiment, and there's you know, and there's always you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: like it's like cook, you know, there's quite and it's
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: not salt in this one. And you know there's little
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: elements that maybe don't even jump out to you initially,
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: but talent, coaching, depths and avoidance of injuries.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: And then even when when when teams do have success
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: with a talented team, that doesn't always mean they're going
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to have sustained success because you have Cincinnati.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why you know, why is Cincinnati not in the playoffs?
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I would say, Fred again, coaching and my curse.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: This is true, but you know, you have individuals with
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: their own personalities, you have success, and then you have entitlement,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: and now people aren't thinking about the team first. They're
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: thinking about themselves first, and they're you know, so it's
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: a very that's what makes football so great. There's so
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: many layers to it. Uh and and all of these
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: make it tough to have sustained success, which makes the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: dynasty is so much more impressive because they did it
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: over for twenty years.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't that's a different argument, and you're right,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: but the whole talent, like, there are some bad teams
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: that are you know, they're bad because they don't have
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of you know, the Patriots are one of them.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: They don't have a ton of talent. I don't think
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Tennessee right now is you know, brimming with talent. I
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: think that's the reason why they're picking first overall. And
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: certainly Caroline is not a very talented team, you know
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: at the moment. But there are some teams that because
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: we won the last damn game, should be better. There
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: are some teams that should be better than they are.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: And I think Fred's point about coaching, I think there
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: are more good quarterbacks. I say this all the time.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: There are more good quarterbacks in the league than there
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: are good coaches.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: And they're not being developed right maybe or coached right,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: or the offense isn't being coached right. Coaching is critical
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: in football.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of coaches, especially on the
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: offenssee side of the ball, with quarterbacks that are getting
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: these newer age quarterbacks like a Drake May like a
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams, and they don't one hundred percent know what
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: to do with them because they're not the prototypical quarterback
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: that they grew up with and the systems that they
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: grew up with don't really apply to these types of
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks that are coming out today. And I think a
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: lot of these coaches are a little bit lost into
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: terms of what kind of scheme and what kind of
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: situation they're supposed to put these guys in. And then
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: you see like Jaden Daniels gets Cliff Kingsbury, who has
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: a background in college football, who has a background and
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: the air raid and that type of offense, and all
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, he has his great rookie year. So
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: I wonder how much you know of that is going on,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: and if there's maybe gonna be a little bit more
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: of a trickle up from the college game, you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: into the NFL to try to to try to adapt
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: the scheme because it's just going to keep happening. Like
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: these quarterbacks in college are running rpo offenses, they're running
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: all these different spread schemes and air raids and things
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: like that. That's not going away, Like they're not going
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: to all of a sudden go back to putting the
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: quarterback under center for half the game and things like that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: So these NFL teams have to adapt, They have to
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: find ways for their coaching to adapt. So whether that's
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: hiring coordinators from college or just teaching the coordinators in
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: the NFL. Some of the college flavor guy like Joe
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Brady is succeeding because he spent time in college. Liam
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Cohene is succeeding because he spent time in college, and
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: so like, whether it's that route or it's just teaching
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: those guys, they got to do a better job with
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: some of these young quarterbacks.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Kylin Pembroke writes in with the Discussion, When the discussion
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: of wide receivers comes up, Paul likes to point out
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that he replaced Amaro Douglas, which I think, with respect
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: to Paul, is stupid. He's undoubtedly our most athletic, explosive
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: receiver and a solid weapon out of the slot. It
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: would be smarter to add on to him by getting
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: a solid X and Z receiver that can complement his skills.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: And added benefit is we don't get rid of homegrown talent,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: something that's been a problem that's led to this awful roster.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: And before he asks in a snarky tone, yes, Douglas
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: is talented enough to keep around and to be considered
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: a homegrown talent. Yeah, Paul, your response.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Well, My first thing is what homegrown talent? If they
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: let go that you regret Myers, I'm not.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I keep calling Leonard Myers, Jacoby.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Myers, Myers is Myers.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'm sorry. I'd rather have Myers than I
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: would too, But I.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Think you're in the same spot if you have Myers
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: and I like Myers. But okay, so give you give
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: me some Yeah, absolutely, yes, yes, Jacoby Myers.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Joe Toney homegrown talent.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Right, So now we get two.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Not even an argument that was absolutely yes.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I mean I would not have paid him the money
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: that Kansas City pays him. But that's that's me.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but that's what it costs. They
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have franchised him to begin with. They should have
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: just extended him at the time.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Well, but you were extending him with Kansas City is
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: paying him.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe, Okay, So two, two, we're inching up, we're inching up.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: We're gonna get three.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I think maybe maybe I'm missing my mind's eye doesn't
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: really remember, like all of these fish, big fish that
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: got away. But maybe I'm wrong.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: That's two.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Ye Okay, Now I would say everything he said about
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: to Mario Douglas. I would agree with he's their best,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: most explosive player out of the slot. Absolutely, wouldn't argue
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: one thing. My goal is to get a better player
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: than that, so he's more explosive out of the slot
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: than the other teams that have that player. That's my goal.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: We're looking at it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Goal isn't to have the Patriots best. My goal is
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: to have one that would be considered one of the
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: best in the league.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: But my eye tests with Pop. I think he can
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: be a contributor. He's not a number one or a
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: number two, but I think he is dynamic.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Get the contributor him the ball.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: You don't think he's dynamic, No, Why because.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I don't think he makes a lot of big plays
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: that to me is dynamic.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just look at opportunity versus the big place.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's offensive related. I'm willing to say that in
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: a better sort of coordinated scheme, he could be more dynamic.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: You know, Like I love Jakobe Myers, I don't think
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: he's dynamic either.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think he's not that explosive guy, but
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: he's a dependable guy. Yeah, who will produce and God, this.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Team knows that what I want. What I would want
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: is in addition to his X and Z, which I
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: don't care about. I don't care if they're good players,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I don't care where they play. I want better talent
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: like all the guys that they've had have. You know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Kendrick Boone had an eight hundred yard season a couple
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: of years ago. You know Kayshaun Boody showed flashes of
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: being that's great. They've all demonstrated a monicum of ability.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I think you can to use a college term over
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: recruit these guys. I think you can get better, more
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: talented options across the board for all of these positions
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: X Y Z being bananas, slot, I don't care. I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: think you can get better players than what you have.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that Pop Douglas is one of
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: those players where you say, Okay, we're set no slot
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: and if we really like a Mecca Abuka from Ohio State,
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: who's a pure slot guy, if we really like Abuka,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: we can't draft Abuka because we have Pop Douglas, which
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I think was a factor with lad mcconkee, because they
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I do too, and that's my point, right, and so
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: you can't do that with pop Douglas. Now, is he
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: a nice complimentary piece to have in the offense? Yeah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I think he is, sure, because he's, you know guy.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: That is a little bit of a difference. I'm okay
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: If I have T.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Higgins and you know, a Brown, Let's let's say McMillen.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's say T.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Higgins and McMillan, and now I knock him down. So
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: he's like just like another option, and he becomes you
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: can do it, you can do it. He just becomes
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: another like, hey, you know what, every in a while
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: they throw the ball to to Mario Douglas and he
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: comes up with a big play for you, you know,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: like Curtis Samuel did in the Buffalo Again. Yeah, I
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: also wonder you know what I mean, Like Curtis Samuel
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: is not going to catch eighty passes for Buffalo, but
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: every once in a while he makes a play. I
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: think to Mario Douglas has ability. Yea, So please don't
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: say that I think that he stinks. I don't think
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: he stinks.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Well, what happens if you have a guy on the
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: outside that has a real presence to him, like at
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: T Higgins where now the middle of the field is
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: a little bit more open for those types of guys,
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: because obviously that's what everybody's sitting on now is throws
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: into the middle of the field to the tight ends
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: into the slot, so ten yards. So if you're able
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: to kind of open it up a little bit with
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: people on the outside. I'm not saying he's going to
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: be a fifteen hundred yard receiver, but it definitely makes
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: his job a little bit easier for sure.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I would say for me if sorry, dude, I was
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: just gonna say, like, I think that Evan's point about
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Lad McConkie is exactly where my mindset is. And I
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: think that I don't have anybody that's ever told me this,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: but I think that that's true. I think that they
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: weren't necessarily looking at McConkie because they felt like they
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: had that guy in to Mario Douglas. And I think
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: that's not really a close comparison Jackson Smith and Jigba,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I don't they built They they're slot receivers, they played
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: the same spot. They're not the same guys. And when
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: you say, like dynamic that, to me, there's a.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Different Cocky's more like Cooper Cup, you know, a little
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: bit bigger.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Cup was dynamic. He's thirty one now, no, no, I
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: mean Cooper Cup had two thousand yards one year. To
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: say he's Cooper Cup is ridiculous.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: It is more like him perversatile, like he's not just
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: a side.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Well, I think there's it's unique to with Pop this year.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: And I think Sophie talked to Pop and I think
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: she just posted something which shout out Sophie.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: But he said thanks.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Credit to Alex van Pell because he wasn't a big
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: slot guy. He's usually a two tight end guy, and
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: he really, you know, focused on trying to get more
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: opportunities for Pop Douglas as a slot, which is.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Why I said, if they had a different coordinated offense.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Right, so maybe and that might be part of it too.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: When they got to the draft, they're like, well, the
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: slot's not really going to be a big part if
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: they did think that that Lab McConkey was a slot.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: But I would say if someone like Josh were to
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: come here and you need a dog and a high
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: volume slot guy, I don't think Pop Douglas is that guy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: He's made the second guy. He's more like a Danny
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: Ammondola Yeah, but I also and I just I have
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: trust issues with Pop Douglas. I have trust issues if
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: he is going to be locked in for one hundred
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: percent of the snaps and in the big moments, is
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: he going to be ready to make those people.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I like the email though, it's a good email provoking email.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely agree with that point, Mike, like, especially
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: again zone coverage, Like he still doesn't have a great
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: feel for when to sit and when to find those
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: saft spots in zone coverage. And if you're going to
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: be a guy that's going to get targeted a hundred
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: times out of the slot, then that's going to be
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: a big part of your job is finding those little
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: And you think about.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: How intense Wes Welker and Julian Edelman were and the
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: guys in Josh's offense that made things go and walked
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: in and third and ten in the Super Bowl, and
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: Julian Edelman is going to take a huge hit and
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: hang on to it. That's the kind of guy one
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: night that's like I.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Look at those and I'm spoiled. I'm spoiled, rotten because
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I had that guy for the better part of twenty
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: years with Troy Brown, Wes Welker, and Julian Edelman. I
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: don't see any similarities really at all between Jamario Douglas
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: and those three guys.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Uh junior from Minneapolis. This may seem strange, but I'm
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: a little worried how focused Rabel seems to be about
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: fixing the offensive line.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: That'll be the old guy say they were INCREDI will love.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Him, but you're worried that but he wants to fix the.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Off He's worried about how focused he is on fixing
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the offensive line.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Have you watched the Patriots offense? Did you listen to
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: the show?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Wait? Can you?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry because I was Yeah, yeah, we had. We
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: had a little side conversation.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: But you need to stop doing that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: And we do that too, odd son, that was that
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: was my fault. I took responsibility, was mine.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I just wanted to get with Strepo's name out there.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll reset. This may seem a little strange, but
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I'm a little worried how focused Rabel seems to be
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: about fixing the offensive line this offseason. I understand how
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: bad we were last off last season, but there's still
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of resources and you'th invested in this old line.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: We have a third round right tackle, a nineteen million
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: dollar right guard, a first round left guard, a veteran
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: court center, and two fourth round offensive guards who have
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: shown potential at times. I know we need to get
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: a left tackle this offseason, but besides that, can we
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: really afford to ignore the other holes on the roster.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Considering the lack of high end offensive line talent in
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the draft and free agency, I'm worried Vrabel might spend
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: premium assets on mediocre O line talent and pass on
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: high end talent on other premium positions. Looking at the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: bigger picture, the best move might be to address other
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: positions with premium assets this offseason, see how Robinson, Wallace
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and Strange develop, and then address the O line in
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: full next offseason when you have more information and possibly
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: a better draft and free agent class. No, what do
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: you think?
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: No?
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: No, I mean, did you watch last season?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Would you?
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: I know?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: But do you overdraft because of that? I?
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: I mean I try not to. And I think that's
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: a great question as to will Campbell at you know,
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: fourth overall, But I just think this has to be
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: I look, and I agree with some of the points
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: he made. You got to get over where guys were
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: drafted like they got here, they're now Patriots. It doesn't
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: matter that you have a first round left guard or
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: center who can't cold strangers here and his sample size
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: speaks for itself. I think you have to you have
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: to make at least a couple moves, and you've got
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: you've got the you've got the resources to do it.
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: But you know to say, yeah, let's let's see how
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: it works out in your two of this group.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Like I don't want a couple moves. He's talking about
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: premium assets. Is there a difference in your mind?
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: Well, look, I think that what Rabel needs to do
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: is he needs to get it right. And you know
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: it doesn't mean go overspend for a guy that you
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: think or may or may not you have. That's their problem.
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: Go figure it out, be creative, find.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: A way to get so good. At least. What I'm
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: getting at is, do you throw away taking the best
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: players available because you need offensive line help.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: I mean I would take out that card.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I think that's what he's saying. I don't think that's
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: what he's saying. I think he thinks they're in a
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: lot better shape than they are number one, number two?
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Why is it automatically if he's he's too focused on
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: the offensive line, he's not going to address anything else,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Like I think he's making a connection there. Like so
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: in other words, it sounds like if they take an
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: offensive lineman with the first round pick, that's.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: A fail and unless that guy is the best player
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: event And I.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Don't know, like I don't know exactly what they're going
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: to do. I don't know if they're going to pick four.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe they move down and they get and then they
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: get more picked and they get an offensive lineman there.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: But just some of the things that he said, Mike
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: already addressed. They have a former first round guard who
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: has not established any level of consistency as a pro.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Huge questions we got laughed at for taking.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: He talks about the guys that they took last year
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: that showed promise at times. Exactly when was that they
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: had the worst offensive line from week one to week eight?
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Do you read any of these media people, Paul are going.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: To tell you that they flashed I mean, Robinson, I'm
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: talking to the people that do this for a living,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: and they didn't really seem to see that Kayden Wallace
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: missed most of the year.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Kaden Wallace is obviously a mystery box because he didn't play.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: So I'll say that if you want to say he's
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: a mystery box, then sure. Leyden Robinson to me, has
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: not proven anything. I don't think he's proven any.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: City So was inactive in week eighteen, like when everybody
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: was getting the varsity letter, he was inactive.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: The coaching staff definitely did not like City, so this
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: past coaching staff obviously did not care for City So.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: But I mean, look, we've read off the stats about
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: the offensive line all season long. They're the worst offensive
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: line in the league across the board, no matter who
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: you ask, whether it's you know, win rate, PFF, grade,
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: eye test, whatever, like, they were the worst offensive line
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: in football. And it's starting to like go up my
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: backside a little bit, just a little bit about how
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: this draft has no offensive line talent. Like it's that's
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: starting to really bug me. Like the Texas just went
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: to the college football quarterfinal with a left tackle that
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: is going to be a top ten pick. And so
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: if you yeah, semi final, thank you. So, Like, if
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: you keep on saying to me that there's no talent
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: on the offensive line at the top of the draft.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: I am going to continuously disagree with you, Like Calvin
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Banks is a legitimate tackle prospect. Will Campbell if he
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: measures out at the combine is a legitimate tackle prospect
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: like every other year, like Olufushanu on down, Like, no,
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: they're not Joe Alt and I get that, But Joel
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: is a unicorn. Like Joealt was a elite blue chip prospect,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: and those guys don't come around every single day. These
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: tackle prospects at the top of the draft this year
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: are fine. They are perfectly fine top ten picks, and
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: they will go in the top ten.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: And I'm not arguing if he is suggesting, you know,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: stay true to your board, pick the best player, I
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: have no argument with that. I just think worrying that
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: he's focused too much on what is clearly the worst
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: part of the off the the roster. Hey, I don't
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: really know why what is making him think that. I mean,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: I know he talked about the offensive line, he talked
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: about a lot of things.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't get the sense he was overly talking about it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: And I think he's connecting dots. I think the emailer
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: is connecting dots, saying he's focused on the offensive line
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: and therefore is not going to look to get wide
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: receivers or edge rushers or whatever else that they need.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: The biggest need is offensive line. That's hard coming from me.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I always just tell you you can get offensive linemen. Well,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: they took my theory and blew it up last year.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: They didn't even try. They did not even try to
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: get an offensive line, and look what happened.
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: And I don't even believe you have to make Kid
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: Wallace and Laden Robinson walk the plank already like I'm
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: fine with it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I'm coming back to they go in thinking that you
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: have starting cal players with either one of those two guys.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: That's why I'd listened to I wouldn't really want to
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: overspend on another guard when you're already playing on when
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: you but I would seriously look at and this is
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: a terrible example, but the nick levertz of the well,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: you know someone who's played a little bit, that has
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: some experience that you can at least say, if we're
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: in a pickle, someone like this can play left guard.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: If leydon I think that's the bare minimum of getting him.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: When company he.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Talks about the interior of the pocket.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: You know, I think you feel good about on when
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: you and you hope that Andrews is gonna is gonna
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: come back and be okay. That that I also think
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: is a wild card that Andrews is gonna be perfectly fine. Yeah,
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: so then you're you're looking at strange Ben Brown maybe
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: on a you know, coming back on a tender. Like
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: those guys are your centers right now. If David Andrews
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: isn't okay. Tray Smith is an intriguing player to me because,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: yes he plays guard. Yes you're gonna have to pay
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: a lot of money for him. But if you want
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: to go best player available in free agency, you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: instead of overpaying Cam Robinson to play left tackle and
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: saying we solved left tackle after you give up twelve
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: pressures against the Rams the other night, you know, a
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: guy like Trey Smith is a Pro Bowl caliber guard.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: It's funny after that game the the night we haven't
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: gotten a lot of Cam Robins because he was dreadful.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: That was big on the Cam Robinson.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: You know, I think the free agent is the Rams
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: Jackson Aleric Jackson. He plays, I think he's gonna hit
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: I think he's due to hit free agency too, and
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: that's maybe another younger option to to conither.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, if they could get me, I wouldn't be
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: looking to break the bank on Cam Robinson for sure,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: but I wouldn't be opposed to a veteran placeholder and
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: drafting somebody. And then you know, you sort of you know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: you fill it with multiple spots.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like even if you can't get multiple guys the
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: plug and play rookie left tackle, I don't.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Know, which is hard. That's hard to do.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: But at least if you get one that you feel
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: like has some potential in his played left tackle before
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: and has some athleticism and that you can say, maybe
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: we can develop this kid, and who knows, maybe Kaden
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Wallace comes back. New coaching staff, new scheme, gets it.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Starts to defend the emailer a little bit. If they
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: want to just go hot and heavy, you know, like
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: that's all we're gonna worry about, is the offensive line.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I would I would share your concern, and I would
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: say that that's not the right move. You can't just
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: decide I'm gonna put all my resources into getting three
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: or four offensive lineman and think my team is fixed
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: now they have a lot of holes.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go have one good offensive lineman. No, I
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: agree that they have one star.
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: Focus on that beat, but.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: You can't. These are all mystery boxes. Like we they
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: have not proven to be starters at any capacity. So like,
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: let's just pump the brakes on. They have all these options,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: like they have one starter on the offense.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: And I'll go back to what we talked about earlier coaching.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Do we have a good offensive line coach?
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Scott Peters first year doing it as the top guy,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: was he good, I don't know. I don't know, but
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: he was given Hopefully somebody knows whether or not he's good.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And whoever you bring in this year for offensive line,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: they need to be coached up. They need to be
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: coached up.
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: And that's where like my brain kind of goes back
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: to unfortunately Dante, where you know, he was able to
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: make chicken salad out of chicken ass, you know, like, and.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: There's always competent Yeah, it doesn't always. We didn't always
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: have the Dallas Cowboys line of the nineties or whatever,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: but it was always a competent line. There were a
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: couple of years where Brady got hit a little bit
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: too much.
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: And it always got better too.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: I think during the course of the session, I beat
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: that out of my head, like that's just something, and
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: then he'd fix them.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean fix Is that.
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: Something that just existed kind of within the Patriots bubble.
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: I don't know enough about other teams offensive line coaches
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: and their development, but does that happen elsewhere where you
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: just have a good system and guys kind of coming like, hey,
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: this undrafted hookies. Actually we've been working behind the scenes
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: with him and now he's ready to start the next
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: five years at right guard.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: You know two other places that I can think of
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: off the top of my head. Philly with Statlin, who's
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: like the other Scarnekia. You know, he's considered in high regard.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: And for years, you know, with Callahan and Cleveland, like
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: those guys were able to just kind of plug and
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: play and keep going. But a lot of those lines
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: still have really high investment at a lot of these positions.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, don't think the secret is to a guy
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: like Callahan, why is he such a good line coach?
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: What?
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: What what makes him?
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: A simplicity? You know, like really narrowing it down to
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: like the simplistic things. And I think sometimes as much
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: as we made a big deal out of the strike
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: system to try to get on board with Scott Peters,
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: that was one thing I worried about, was like, is
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: this putting a lot into people's heads, right, Like you
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: got to think through all these different you know, if
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: he does this, I do that he did learn under Callahan.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: But I think simplicity is a big one, just like
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: saying this is what you have to do, and this
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: is you know, the three things you have to worry about.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: And repetition, you know, Dante Scarnekia was all about reps.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: And they would just rep and rep and rep and rep,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: and then you'd get into the game and it would
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: be just like practice.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: And they wanted to do well for him, like they
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: respected him. They didn't want to let him down.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they and he he would turn it up,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: you know, they would. They would. He would practice at
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: game speed. There was no there was no seventy five
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: percent with him, right, Like they were practicing at game
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: speed all the time. And noway there was almost easier
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: at times in the games than it was in practice.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Let's see this Rob in San Diego via Connecticut. I
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: was initially a Ben Johnson supporter and wasn't thrilled with
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: how predetermined the process seemed after the male hiring last year.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: At the time, I thought Rabel was a solid but
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: no exceptional coach and was hoping for an offensive mind
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: at higher However, after listening to the past few episodes,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I've had a change of heart. Considering where the Patriots
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: are now, I believe Rabel is the best fit for
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: the job. On another note, I recently received a bogus
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: ticket for not coming to a complete stop at a
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: stop sign. Hearing Paul's story about his ticket and the
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: advice about hiring a traffic lawyer inspired me to do
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the same. I've hired one and we'll update you on
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: the outcome, something I wouldn't have thought to do without
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: the show. Lastly, there's a regular caller named Boston Cream,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: my favorite kind of donut. My wife hates them, and
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: we constantly debate whether they even qualify as donuts. Are
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: pastries with filling really donuts as they are? Aren't donuts
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: defined by having holes, making a Boston cream the complete
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: opposite of a donut? Aren't there Boston Cream pies as well,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: team donut, but it's a precarious position. Definitely a jelly fill.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Those types of do they are donuts. They are donuts.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Stamp Now, a cruller may not be a don't. I
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: like a curler a donut past.
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: I donut has to be round, just a different shape
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: you mean, like I see round clers like a French craler,
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: right French if yeah, those are a donut French.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: But I'm talking about the stick like a yeah. I
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: believe the doughnut needs to be wrong.
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: I like the stick, you know, I don't know. There's
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: a density to the glazed stick, especially the shoot, like
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: the butter buttermilk. Is that what they do with the buttermilk?
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: I don't know, but they're good. I like the sticks.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Uh, Nolan had stop?
• 56:05
  Speaker 10: I do.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Nolan in California. I gotta be honest. I had mixed emotions.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Was hoping for Ben Johnson. However, listening to you guys
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: and Mike talk about the culture has me really excited.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I'm the complete opposite of the previous emailer. I'm so
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: excited hearing coach Mike talk about the trenches and building
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: our team starts in the trenches. I can't wait to
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: see what the moves are.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: What else I liked about Raybell I didn't realize both
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: his parents were educators, and the way he talks, it's
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: you know, a lot of coaches, I feel like they're like,
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: this is my system, we're gonna get on board. And
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: you know, from Vrabel so far, we've heard of a
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: lot of just teaching and empowering players to you know,
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: to be able to play well. You know, so I
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: think that is a little bit of that, you know,
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: new age kind of approach to it. But I just
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: think the same thing we were talking about the offensive
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: line coach. It just it comes back to teaching, and
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: there are certain people who are good teachers and are
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: able to you know, not only get the point of
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: cross in a succinct manner that's easily digestible, but you know,
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: also inspire their players to play hard for them. And
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: I think I've had coaches in my life that were
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: some that were really tough and others that were more
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: you know, you just didn't want to let them down.
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: And it's like we talk about all the time, there's
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: so many different ways to do it, but I think
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: really it's about teaching and you know, That's that's the
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: core of it.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Fred. Do you ever have a good coach?
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I ever? Oh yeah, well my wrestling coaches in the
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Wrestling Hall of Fam. Yeah, he was a real good guy.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Why I just figured you had a problem.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of coaches I had a problem with.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I wasn't wrong.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh, I had a lot of coaches I
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: had a problem with.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you why you're not doing it right?
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Different in different so Frank I sent to the locker
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: room once liked.
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: But you played a lot of individual sports, right, You.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Played like I played basketball, football.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: That's what I was going to ask you.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: You had a good section of both, like transition to individual.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I did transition to individual because I want to play
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 57:55
  Speaker 11: Well, the difference for you between getting I don't want
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: to watch anything about difference between an individual sport coach
• 58:01
  Speaker 11: who was like a one on one that you know,
• 58:03
  Speaker 11: versus a team coach that I mean, there's a difference.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: To worry about other people about me. Yeah, I get that.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: It's different.
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's you know, it's it's it's a
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: different style of trying to get something out of one
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: person rather.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Than remember the team freshman basketball takes me aside and
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: he goes, you know, you'd be really good if you
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: could develop a right hand. And I'm in my head,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what about all the people that don't have
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: a left hand. You don't you don't take them aside.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: That's the first thought. It's a freshman in high school,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: like not like I mean, that's the bugaboo of ninety
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: nine percent of us who tried to play sports and
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: weren't good enough. No, I wasn't as good with my
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: right hand. But friend's like, what what about them?
• 58:44
  Speaker 12: What?
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: What do you got prejudice against lefties? Like, screw it,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I'm quitting.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: The teaching.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Thing is cool that you're going to start any morning
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: hand ahead of me because he's got the right hand.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I can go run and and you know, and you.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Know that's you know, that's the guy.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Stars.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: They run deep.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: They don't heal u Rick and Riverside, Rhode Island. After
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: reading Evan and Mike's recent articles, I think Graham or
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Schwartz would both be great additions to the DC.
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: Patrick Graham, Jim Schwartz a couple of Patrick.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: He's a vrable guy's he was on Vrabel's staff as
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: a senior assistant for a couple of years and he's
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: currently the Cleveland Browns defensive coordinator. But we were talking
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: about this off the air that Cleveland staff is not
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: for long, you know, like if they don't have a
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: good year next year, then the fans he's gonna get canned.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: If I'm vrable, I'm thinking, Okay, well you can come
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: here and I'm probably gonna be here for a while
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: and you're gonna have a job for a while, or
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: you can be on the Titanic in Cleveland and and
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: see that ship sink so shortly.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz has seen it all.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I think he's a good defensive coordinator.
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: Can I read a quick text for my dad? These
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: are the kind of texts I get for my dad. Uh,
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: here's a thought per coward b B was only successful
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: because of Brady and Dante. Once he retired, BB's old
• 1:00:03
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• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: chiming in on it.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I throw we do all that. I think there
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: were certain people that really helped Bill. Yeah, yeah, and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: it was a trust thing. On offense. I think a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: VP should remain. Yes, last year was painful, but the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Patriots franchise quarterback got better every week until the lack
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: of talent wide receiver and O line became too much.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: He has the Cleveland ties y'all mentioned, Rabel likes, and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Drake has comfort level with him. I'm concerned with Josh
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: because of stories on how his system is tough to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: learn from wide receivers. Do you think our wide receivers
• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:50
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• 1:00:52
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• 1:00:56
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• 1:01:01
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• 1:01:04
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• 1:01:08
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• 1:01:09
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• 1:01:11
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• 1:01:16
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• 1:01:19
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• 1:01:22
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• 1:01:25
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• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just too like I try to keep up
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: with the Blue Sky when it first came out, because
• 1:01:30
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• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:36
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• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: It's so hard for a brand because it's like each
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: time a new social media thing comes out, way now
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: we got to do it there too, Like at what
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: point do you start pulling back or just not think?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: For a brand, though, it is a little bit more
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: complicated because each platform does have a little bit of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: a different style and so you do need to tailor
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: your content depending on the platform.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, so that's it's hard. It's just it
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: seems like and now we're doing threads, we gotta find
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: a way to do thread you know, like there's no like,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: all right, let's just stop chasing it and we're gonna
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: be here and you know, come to the Patriots dot
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: com and that's where the content is.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: That used to be the way back thirty years ago.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Fred can't post with his right hand.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if demanding people come.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: To you is the way to go and now I know,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: I just it's it seems like that sometimes the what
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: is it that the cart is leading the horse kind
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: of thing where you're just you're always just chasing, you know,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: you're chasing engagement, You're chasing where fans are going to be,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: and you want to give the fans that. But it's
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: it's just like we got a new social mediaut. Let
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: everyone come here now.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: It's I don't know. Ellen Wisconsin says, I was previously
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: against this, but I've turned it, uh the other way.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Bring back Josh. I need to hear my quarterback yelling
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Rita again. Really though, I think he's a good OC
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: and I like that he puts it all on the quarterback.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: I think may can handle it.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't be supposed to bring an AVP back. I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: just don't know if there's a marriage there with him
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: and Josh. It just feels like they're two from from
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: two separate backgrounds, and it's hard. It's hard to see
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: the marriage. But you know, maybe if it was somebody
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: more West Coast base that has connections to Alex van Pelte,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: I do think there's value in keeping around. I just
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: don't know if you take that step back and be like,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: you know, like I think you said, Evan, like associate
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  Speaker 6: coach or so you know, a senior offensive advisor or
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: something like that.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I would change. But you're one hundred percent
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: right with Josh and a VP. Like it's like, oh,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: we're gonna teach Spanish with a German teacher, you know,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Like it just doesn't really make much sense in terms
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: of that. But if they hired let's say Nick Kayley,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: you know from the RAMS, and he comes back, Yeah,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: and now we have a West Coast play caller offensive
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: coordinator running a West Coast system and a VP is
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: just here to continue to work with Drake on you know,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: left foot forward and all that kind of stuff, then sure, yeah,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Like I think that might be my my favorite pick
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: other than Josh, would be to do something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the TPX hutline eight five to five paths,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: five hundred Christians in LA. What's up Christian? Christian? Well,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I guess he's not there anymore? Is in New York?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: K Pascal?
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  Speaker 10: Hey, how's it going?
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  Speaker 13: Guy?
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  Speaker 2: Good?
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  Speaker 12: So?
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  Speaker 10: First thing, first, about the donuts. Apparently, according to Wikipedia,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 10: a donut is just a past threemate from Levins fried dough,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 10: and so it can be a ring donut or a
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 10: filled donut. So yeah, both, definitely a donut.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, check all right.
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  Speaker 10: But what I was calling about was I wanted to
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  Speaker 10: push back on something that you guys were talking about
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 10: last episode about the Patriots being close to the Commanders,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 10: and to me, I don't think that the two teams
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 10: actually were that close. I think that the fact that
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 10: the Pets had Bill Belichick and the Commanders had Ron
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 10: Rivera had a pretty big thing to do with it.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 10: I think that once both coaches were gone, the Commander's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 10: roster was significantly better, and that Bill really really added
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 10: a lot to what the Patriots were able to do
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 10: last year, and that their roster was actually much worse.
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  Speaker 10: And then on top of that, the Commanders had I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 10: think three second round picks and two third round picks.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 10: So I just think that the Commander's roster was significantly better.
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  Speaker 10: And if the Pats didn't have Bill, then they probably
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 10: would have been the first overall pick they might have.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 10: Who knows how bad they could have been. So I
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  Speaker 10: just think that there was a little more of a
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  Speaker 10: gap between the two teams than they were kind of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 10: giving credit for.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ron Rivera's two time Coach of the Year, b
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: they were they were about as similar in terms of
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: talent as you can be for two teams. And I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: just want to like, I don't think anybody said they're
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: close now, Like we were talking about, at the end
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: of the twenty three season, they tied with the second
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: worst record in football. Washington got the second pick, the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Patriots got the third based on the strength of schedule stuff.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: They played a game right here in Foxborough that came
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: down to the last possession that there was a deflected
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: pass that got picked off that allowed Washington to win
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: the game. Washington didn't have any stronger of her roster.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: They added the last part that Pascal said that I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: agree with. He had, you know, those second and third
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  Speaker 3: round pick. They added like four starters in the draft,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: at least another couple, two, three, four in free agency.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: Pages didn't do any of that. The Patriots opted to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: re sign all of the players off that team. Yeah,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: and this is like one of the things that I said, though,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: we're running it back, and we're changing the quarterback, but
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: we're running it back. That's why you stayed where you are.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: And they made progress. Now, I did not envision the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: progress that they made. I'm not going to be a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: fraud I didn't have any idea that they would win
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: twelve games. The way they did that was a remarkable turn.
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  Speaker 4: So they have thirteen new starters. I discount thirteen on
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: both from between the two sides of the ball. Some
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: of those are why you're not close now, Yeah, some
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: of those are rookies. Some of those are, you know,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: just really good free agent signings. Bobby Wagner is like
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: the one example I always come back to. But like
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: Andrew Wiley, who was with the Chiefs the year before,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: started in the Super Bowl at tackle, Like, these guys
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: aren't household names. Bobby Wagner is, but isn't that type
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: of player anymore? But they those guys are solid, capable,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: veteran NFL players that just came in.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: And Peters Peters, Adam Peters.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: Those guys just came in and were serviceable, were functional starters.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: And then obviously Jayden Daniels is the one elevating them all.
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  Speaker 4: But like, that's that's it, that's it.
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  Speaker 6: Right on the draft picks, you hit on your free
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: agency signings, and all of a sudden, you're I mean,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: how many how many starters did the Patriots add?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Add good question? Trying trying to think, yeah.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: Drake Drake no, you know, beyond the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean not a starter, but he you know,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: they kind of added him, ye, second Titans, I know.
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  Speaker 6: But now it's I mean RB two, you know, I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: mean some depth guys, second level guy.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you did anybody start on defense that
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: wasn't here last year, that wasn't here in twenty three?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm pounding well no, I mean counting
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: twenty four is this year?
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  Speaker 6: Well some guys that were on the practice squad last year, you.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Know, right, I mean, like the offensive line featured new guys,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: but I wouldn't call them starters.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: So no, I mean you could maybe make a case.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Of like Ben Brown is, Yeah he's a technically he's
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: a new starter, but yeah he's a practice squad refugee
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: that he picked up in the middle of the season.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: Maybe white he'd played a little more this year, but
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: I mean that he was here, Yeah, he wasn't an
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: addition this year about the guy star that they brought
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: in that.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: I think Evans counting thirteen guys weren't on the twenty
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: three Washington Commanders that are starter now do it fourteen?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: Because I Forgot and Daniels because I was looking at
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: everybody else.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: But you know, I think they could maybe make an
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: argument that there were three guys that started for the
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: twenty four Patriots that weren't on the twenty three team,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: and that includes Drake May.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean you have like I made, like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: Jeremy Chin, Frankie Luvu, Like those guys are not superstar players,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: but they came in and they play.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: If they ran it back with the same roster that
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: they had in twenty three and it was just Jayden Daniels,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: they would not have won twelve games.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: I wonder how many they wanted to have, you know,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: like were they expecting Chuks of kora for to step
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: in and be one of those starters, you know.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: But you're also expecting more than Drake May to come
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: out of your draft class and start right like they had,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: you know, my boy from Everett, Mikey Sandras Still you know,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: steps in as a second round pick and starts Brandon
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: Coleman third round pick. And these aren't necessarily like great players,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: but they stepped into starting roles and they you know,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: they ablished a level that was better than what they had.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: And also established like they missed on Emmanuel Forbes, it
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: didn't matter right, Like I mean, they missed on the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: top pick like that, and they drafted and signed well
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: enough that they could overcome.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: That kind of went out and got Latimore too. Now
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: he's been banged up for them, hasn't played a lot,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: but that's another guy they didn't have. And I bring
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: up Washington as a source of hope, like it doesn't
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: have to be five years, you can It can happen
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: if you do well and you make some really good
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: personnel moves, it can happen quickly.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: He gets ye like your your guard that you're talking
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: about earlier, Nick Alighretti, it was the sign from the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: Chiefs this past season by Washington. He's there, starting left guard.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: He makes all their line calls and stuff like that,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: and he's again there's another one.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: Of those identified guy functional.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: Starting guards in the league that they're not paying a ton.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: But you got chookes of corps for who decided to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: walk away from your team, Which I think that sounds
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: kind of like Paul what you've been pitching.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: Maybe Vabel does this year that he gets rid of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: some guys and then he makes some of these kind
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 6: of signings where it's not overwhelming, but solid guys are.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: And actually I think they are going to be a
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: handful of players, let's call it, maybe three that would
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: surprise the four of us right now will not be
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: here next year.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you think any trade bait with any of these guys,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: Like when Evan was talking about Rabel and people going
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: down to the Senior Bowl and starting to lay the
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: foundation of.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: You know, I think you can get a second.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: Run, But some of some of those guys, well, yeah,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: like they might, Like Kyle Dugger to me, is trade bait,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Like he just got a big contract, so maybe you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: don't want to just release him now. If Rabel says no, no, no,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: we'll get him back, Doug is going to be fine.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: He had a bat that ankle bothered him. Like then
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: I'm on board with that too, because I still think
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Kyle Doug is a good player. I'm not looking to
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: run him out of town. But I can understand if
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: they're looking to get rid of Tavia or Dugger or
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Pepper's you know, or Godschold, you know, like you got
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: to replace some of these guys too, you know, Kendrick Bourne.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: I think there are people that are under contract that
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: people would be surprised to find out. Oh wow, they
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: let him go. Huh. I think that's going to happen.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: I just I can't tell you who they are.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: James and Brighton UK loved your chat with Rabel the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: other day and he's definitely grown on me with his
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: banter and football intellect, and I do feel he's going
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: to shake things up. But more importantly, as part of
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: that shakeup, does Rabel have his sight set on Matt
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Smith's No Socks title? After his introduction and when he
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: was sat with you guys, I couldn't help but notice
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: the trouser to skin ratio was definitely more fleshy than
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: I expected, and I think Matt should be concerned that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: Rabel is coming for his moniker. He did have socks, though,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: they were like little socklets or whatever they call.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Those hanklets anklets, I don't know.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: But you couldn't see him. He was showing off a
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: lot of leg I did notice that, but he had
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: socks on.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: That's an ankle briestlet, it's called.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: I didn't have fleshy, he did have he did have
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: some big Yeah, his foot was like right in my face.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: He sat the giants a lot of space and then
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: he crossed his legs.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: Was like, somebody makes you guys look small. Yeah, dude,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Well I.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Heard somebody say, like, you know, he's listed at six four,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: but he does seem bigger than six four. He's just bigger.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: You know, it's like Drake doesn't seem as big as
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: Rabel does. Right, probably in the same universe wise.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: But you know, probably a fifty pound difference.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like that's a you know, I was
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: interviewing some of our former players that overlapped with Rabel
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: in Tennessee for a piece, and they a lot of
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: those guys just called him really authentic. And then they're like,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: there's something about a guy that when he stands up
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: at the front of the room and he's telling you
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: that you have to, you know, go through hell to
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: come out the other side of winter. And but he's
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: clearly done it because he looks the part and he
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: can put up his I guess he likes to put
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: up the touchdowns, the catches. You know, he likes to
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: brag about how he played both sides of the ball
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: and ten for he played tight end was ten for
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: ten and all that kind of stuff. So logan Ryan
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: said that they used to find his low lights and
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: put those up on the screen because he used to
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: pick on them for their low lights. So they'd find
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: his you know, mistackles and stuff like that and put
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: those up. But you know that was you hear that
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: a lot like authentic because you know, he played, he
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: can walk the walk and he can talk to them.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: He was authentic with us.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: It felt you know, it just felt conversational.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: He's very approachable.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got no food today, Freddy, I did.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know where it is. Matt's given me the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: palms up.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: It should be here any minute.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, Sorry, that's fine. I know you're doing your best.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Back there, he's making sandwiches. Joe writes in this may
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: be one of Fred's it's not a Super Bowl rematch
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: semantic arguments. But last year wasn't year one of a rebuild.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: This year isn't year one of a rebuild either. The rebuild? Shoot,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: what did I just do?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: I agree with this premise.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: The rebuild window closed with Bill. We need to stop
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: the ra We're just a bad team trying to build something.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: Switching gears if you're continuing the newsletter throughout the off season,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: which we are. I have an off season suggestion, Fred's
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Rules for Life, a random show topic that Fred has
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: a fred amount of rules for one. Example might be
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: zip ups. You can quarter zip or full zip, but
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: no three quarter or half zips. Stains are optional but
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: encourage some Others might include how to order steak and
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: which hats are allowed? We could do that. Rules for Living.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: Good topicfeeable, Fred's Rules for Living.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: Right after his Gambling Parlance Volume one, picking Winners.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Let's see Andrew in La has one for Evan. He says,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: there is an app that will simultaneously post on multiple applications.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: It's called call w p h F pronounced wolf w.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: I've heard of this.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: It's currently in the beta stages. It comes from a
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: company in Pennsylvania. Looks like the next big thing.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: It's great. So it's great. You're trying to simplify your
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: social media content? Should you need another one and need
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: another app to do that?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: Opace is coming back.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: I've heard I've heard of this, though I've heard of
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: not surprisingly, I have see what happened.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to pull back my social media presence.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm looking to cut it, cut it back,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: not expanded.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Jacket and Abba Wrights best donut by far is the
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: plane cake donut. Only the plane cake donut fresh from
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: the oil, hot oil, that goes perfectly with freshly squeezed
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: apple cider on a crisp October morning at the cider
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: mill in Dexter, Michigan, near ann Arbor. Don't undervalue the basics.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: A plane donut.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: I have to.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: I have to agree with this because there's a play
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: Country Kitchen and Walpole. You guys have probably been there.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: I'm guessing that, you know, like a small local donut shop,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: but they have excellent just made, you know, plane donut
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: but kind of have a little crunch to it, like
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: it's well cooked.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: You ever noticed, like people from sharing, they so overrate
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: all the yeah, Sharon, because they live in a little
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: bubbleberry farm. It's really you got to go to town spot.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: Don't loop me into that one.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: I got better pizza.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: The other one is, uh the creamery that they have
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: over ray ice cream. I've ever had It's ice cream,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: put some sugar in it.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: Well, that's my fortunes are large.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: That's my thoughts on the plane don't glad you feel
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: this way because.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: I plane donut, because you have your favorite.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: But if you want to have out, you have your
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: cinnamon donut with the apple site.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: Yes, I like that too. I like that too. I
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, I live about a half mile from Creston
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: Ridge and so I'm not gonna knock it. But but
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: still ice cream Smuggler's Dennis mask. That's my that's my boove.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: That's the one.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: He's not as bad. But you know when you got
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: when I'm out at practice, we have Barth and Aaron.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: Who are you know to Sharon, you know to their
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: core that towns by yesterday, Like I don't care, like,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: go eat some real pizza, like get out of your bubble.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: Pizza, just like Evan was meaning to me, stop watching Charlie,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: go find some pizza. I like ice cream in college football,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: and he just won't leave me alone.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Mark writes in with the hiring of Mike Vrabel this
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: week and with the way he has presented himself, described
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: his vision for the future, explain requirements that will be
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: non negotiable, and pointed out the things that will need
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: to be eradicated from our once proud franchise. For it
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: to be successful. It has all left me feeling genuinely
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: optimistic about what comes next and that he has that
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: unmeasurable talent that some people have to convince anyone that
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: they are capable of great things. How do you view
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: his opening gambit.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: I think it's like you're thing Fred where I think
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: when we drafted Drake May, You're like, we have hope. Yeah,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: kind of feel like we have hope at the coaching position.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: Now I didn't. I didn't feel that.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's very accurate hope.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: I think you're going to go into games this year
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: feeling like the team is prepared.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get competent coaching, if not more, at least
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get competent coaching.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: We're not going to get the walk it back too,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: you know, you know, well the nerds are on him,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: so oh really a little bit.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: I'm interested in that. I want to hear more about that.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not telling you that I don't. I think you're right.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: You're not going to get the walk it.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: Back, but you're gonna get criticism for what he said.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: And he's not afraid to say stuff. He'll just stand
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: by it and be strong in his convictions. And he
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: won't walk it back. Because do you ever hear you
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: ever watch any of the clips of some of the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: stuff that he's done, there's some good stuff there. Losing
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: sucks that one where we got but like taking rocket
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: shots at the you know, which is great. Keep everybody
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: on their toes. I have no problem with that, and
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: I have no doubt that I'll be in the crosshairs
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: at least once. You know, that's part of the gig.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, you got to you gotta learn to deal
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: with that. But I could see him saying things on
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: Sundays that should be walked back on Mondays.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: But he won't. He won't do it yet, Tony, Before
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: everyone goes crazy about this woof app he says it's
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: a fake. It's from the office.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: So you know when they said that, I was like,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: it sounds familiar.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: And now, but please more. Deuce talking about how he
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: likes glaze sticks. The best doughnut is a chocolate glaze
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: dipped in your coffee dip? Fred, do you have any
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: coffee tastes black? Is the only way to drink it? Correct? Well,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: this is where I'm going to disappoint you. I'm not
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: a I don't love coffee. I drink it every day,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: but I have coffee with my cream and sugar, if
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I have the full
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: cream and sugar, you know, because I don't necessarily love
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: the taste of coffee. So I'm going to disappoint you
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: coffee lovers out there.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: You're a Celsius guy.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: I like Celsius. Yea too much of it's not good
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: for you. I mean physically, it's not good for you
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: with the Kelvin what's that?
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: Nothing?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 10: Who?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: You need a little kick in the pants in the morning.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: Is that what the coffee is just for?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I have one coffee a day now,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: granted it's an extra large from Dunkin Donuts, but I
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: have one a day.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, that's good.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, Paul, do you drink coffee?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: I don't do coffee.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Don't drink cop dp you a coffee, You're a Starbars everybody.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Everybody.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: Evan is like, I mean, Evan's been an example for
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 6: me of like we're on the road and he's like,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: I need I need Starbucks because if I if I
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: don't get that level of caffeine in me, I'm evan's gonna.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: Be When you first started, I immediately text my wife
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: a God, the new guy's gonna be good with you
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: looking for Starbucks all the time.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: And it's just, you know, it's bad because Starbucks, like,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: once you get hooked on a certain type of coffee,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: you can't break off. So like when we go on
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: the road and I have to get like something else
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: that's not Starbucks, it just doesn't hit.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: I'll drink Starbucks, but it's strong.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 10: That's what is.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: I really need a lot of sugar.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what makes it hard is because it has
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: such a high caffeine count that if you go to
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: someplace else, you're not getting the same amount of caffeine.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: And it Now, I will say about coffee, decaffeinated coffee
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: right out, it's not coffee. It doesn't taste like coffee.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. So I have no use for decaffeinated coffee.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: You thought you weren't going to have coffee takes?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Did I had a coffee had a coffee take?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: Spiing Fresno. Don't get me wrong, I love the donut talk,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: but are there really any bad donuts? Are those of
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: you named Fred really so grossed out by Boston cream.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: I don't like Boston cream. I don't. I'm not a
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: big jelly, but it always drips on me like everything else.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: I think the land of Donuts is generally a delicious
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: place to be. Perhaps planes can be dry, but that's
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: what coffee is for.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I don't like the Plaine donut. I
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: don't drink coffee.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: You got to have that hot liquid to stick.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: I'm not a jelly guy.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: Jelly donuts. I'll any kind of don't like, why are.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: You mixing that flavor with some with with sugar and sweet.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: Blob of jelly?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: Like people that put it like you're not my favorite
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: if you're putting like jam like in between, like the
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: layers of the cake or whatever they do when they
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Like no out, hard out, let's see.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: Sandwich, it'll peel behind the curtain board.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Simon in New Hampshire, have we lost a soldier? Where
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: is our resident New generation Vibe? No or Alex Weddingmala Yeah, yeah,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: he says we need an edge in my opinion, now
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: that it could be possible that Carter has gone in
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: the top three, is there any possible free agent edges
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: or do you think we try to acquire that position
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: later in the draft.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: Joshwat is the guy that Yeah, you know a lot
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: of people on the top of the list.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: There are a couple out there. Josh Wat's probably the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: biggest name.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Josh.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: So, would you guys be in favor of Baron Browning maybe.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Sinking significant resources into a free agent at that spot, Yeah,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: I would.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: I'd be okay with it. But I just I don't
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 6: really love anything, like none of the guys, and I'm like,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: oh boy, I gotta get him. It's a it's tough.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: I think it's a huge need for the team and
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: not just you know, in the draft. I think the
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: draft is pretty good with I mean, it seems like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of edges in the draft, so you know,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: maybe you get a developmental guy there, but I think
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: they probably would need to get somebody in free agency.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: I just I mean, I mentioned Baron Browning just as
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 6: a guy.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just feel like schematically comes like Judon is
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: like one of the few guys that actually worked from
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: that twenty one class, and like, if you can get
• 1:24:43
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  Speaker 3: Mike, welcome back.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, understanding there will probably a significant amount of overlap.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 8: How will your program here differ from the program you
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 8: played in and then obviously coached against later when Bill
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 8: was still here.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's gonna be all different players, new players,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: new coaches, some coaches that have remained, and people remember
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: that there are gonna be some things like I'm not Bill,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: and I'm not Bill Cower. I'm I'm not anyone other
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 7: than me, And I've taken those experiences and I've tried
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 7: to form what I believe is critical to the success
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 7: of a football team and an organization. But you know,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: to say what those are gonna look like, hopefully just
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 7: as it's just as successful, you know, and our and
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: our goals will be to win the AFC East, to
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 7: host home playoff games, and to compete for championships like those.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 7: That's what it's gonna take and what the timeline is,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: just like we say with injuries, like we're not gonna
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 7: put a timeline on an injury, and we're certainly not
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: gonna put a timeline on what those will be, but
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 7: that that's gonna be the expectations. And we're gonna work
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 7: like crazy and we're gonna compete like crazy. We're gonna
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 7: give the players a plan and and and they're going
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 7: to form an identity on the field and the way
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: that we're going to play uh and play for each
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: other that they're gonna be proud of. And we're not
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 7: gonna you know, we just want to be good enough
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 7: to take advantage of bad football. Like that's where we're
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 7: gonna start. And that's what I've tried to tell all
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 7: the players is right now, I don't know if we're
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: good enough to take advantage of bad football. I'm not
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 7: sure like we're undefeated right now, but if we can
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 7: just work towards taking advantage of bad football and being
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 7: good enough to win, somebody makes a mistake capitalizing on
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 7: it and not being the ones that make the mistakes
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: and focusing on the little things and the details and
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 7: helping them do their job better.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: That's a great place to start.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 9: Welcome back, Mike, Hi buddy, you don't look much different, Yes,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 9: I do. You mentioned you're not Bill. You had a
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 9: special and unique relationship with him. What does it mean
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 9: to you, if anything, to follow in his footsteps in
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 9: this organization?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 7: Oh, I mean, I think it is unique obviously, Like
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: let's let's just be real for a minute and just say,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: you know, having played for him and you know, having
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: a competing against him, and then also having a friendship
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 7: with Bill right along the way, you know, I think
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: it's it's special. It's unique having played here knowing Bill.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 7: But again, we have to focus on things that are
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: going to help us win now, help our players, and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 7: like I said, galvanized the building and the team and
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 7: our fan base. So I think that there's also things
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna try to explain to the players that there's
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 7: things that are interesting and there are things that are important.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 7: I think me having played for Bill is interesting. I
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: just don't know if it's important to help in our players.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 7: Terrible Mike, welcome and congratulations. You were the hottest name
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: on the coaching cycle this time around. Presumably you had
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: your pick of jobs, so personally professionally, what really separated
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: this choice among the others, Well, I think that the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 7: ability to have open dialogue with Robert and Jonathan with
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: something that was critical Elliott and his staff. Obviously, what
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: I believe and what everybody else believes is a as
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: a young, dynamic quarterback. We have some youth on the roster,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: We have some veteran players that have kind of seen
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: both sides of it and understand and that will help
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: me and will help our players, you know, get back
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 7: to that success and understand how hard it is. I
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 7: do think that we're getting a different style of player,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 7: a different, you know, different player to the NFL, you know,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 7: one that you know, sometimes guys played four or five
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: years in college in the same place under the same coach,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 7: and we don't have a whole lot of behavior to
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 7: change when they when they got to our league. And
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: I think now with the NIL system that everyone is
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 7: embracing and I'm all in favor of, but sometimes those
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: players are at a school for six months and they
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 7: may go to another school and with another leadership style
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 7: and another structure, and so when they get to our league,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 7: there's some behavior that may have to change and we
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 7: have to be willing to help them change it. And
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 7: that's okay. This is not an indictment on the college
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 7: football system. This is just you know, you could go
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 7: back and get a player from Alabama or Ohio State
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: or notre date where they had been there for four
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 7: or five years, maybe they red shirted and there was
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: a consistent program and you felt comfortable adding that player. Now,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 7: you know, like I say, car to keep track of
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 7: where they went to school, and so that's not easy.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 7: But what we're willing to do to help those players
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: that need to have some of those things changed and
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: the commitment to the team, Like, we're willing to do that.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 15: Hey, Mike back middle here, Hey, welcome back, Thank you.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 15: Looking forward to all our future news conferences together.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: There's going to be more, I think so. I think
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: the league makes you do a few of them. I
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: hear they're fun too.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: I'm just curious.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 15: One thing you've learned in your first experience from being
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 15: a head coach that you want to make sure you
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 15: apply to your second time around.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: Oh, I mean I think there's so much I think
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 7: just this connection piece man getting to know these players,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 7: and we're gonna put so many points of contact around
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: our players that I understand that I'm gonna have a
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 7: different relationship with some players than I do others. Right,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna have a relationship with
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 7: every single one of them. But then there's gonna be
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 7: other ones that may may not be as strong, but
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: they're gonna be with the position coach. And you know,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: we're not gonna have a whole lot of rules. We're
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 7: gonna start with with being on time and being respectful
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 7: and being able to communicate like anybody else without outside
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 7: this building. If you were late for an appointment, uh,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 7: if you had something going on that We're gonna have
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 7: people that are around the players for them to be
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: able to trust and say, hey, I've got this going
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 7: on and I've tried to do this in Tennessee that
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 7: if somebody will walks in the door at seven forty
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 7: five and they just you know, there's something on their
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 7: face that they're wearing, something they're holding onto, something that
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 7: something's not right. I would rather give that player thirty
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 7: minutes or forty five minutes whatever, however much amount of
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 7: time that he needs to take care of a situation,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: then the seven hours that he's going to waste wearing
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: it through the day. And I want to provide as
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: many points of contact with the players so that they
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 7: feel comfortable. And if that's coming to me, great, If
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: that's coming to Elliott, great, if that's coming to our
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 7: strength coach, or that's coming to our position coach, whoever
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: that may be. I want them to have as many
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: relationships in the building that they feel comfortable saying that
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: you know, something's not right, or I need to communicate,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 7: or I'm going to be fifteen minutes like whatever it is.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 7: So I think that that's critical that we teach them
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 7: some of those things that you know, there's more people
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 7: that they impact than just themselves.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: And now great moments in history.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: He's in Manchester, New Hampshire.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: What's up, Manny Manichester the podcast At.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 16: One point time Paul called Still a mediocre coach.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no no, I did not stop it.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. I just today, but anyway,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: I did not call it Bill a mediocre coach. I'm
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: sorry that it was taken out of context. That's like
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: Fred said that he doesn't think that mac Jones is
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: very good. That's not what he meant.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 12: He was.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: It was something about something different. I've never thought of
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: Bill as a mediocre coach, and I've never said that
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: he's a mediocre coach. Sorry, I might have said. I
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: might have said something like this, if you want to listen,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: He's had eight plus years without Tom Brady as his
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: as his quarterback, and in those years he's been a
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: mediocre coach. That's what you said. That's what I said.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: I remember that.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 16: Oh, that's what I was referring to call him a mediocre.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: Coach then without Tom Brady, very very important qualifier.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 16: There, Manny Wow, I think then everybody's a media co
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 16: coach because Brady.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Then anyway, and he reads and he reads. Not a
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: mediocre coach, A good point caller. That's another great moment, all.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Right back here and Patriots until off the top. I
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: was just waiting to shine man at the end there.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: Eight five five Pass five hundred is a TPX hotline
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email address. A
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: lot of good talk today, little of it about football,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: not only kidding. We're doing everything today. It's an off
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: season Moen Vermont and New York says, tell Fred to
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: quit the Celsius. Read the nutritional facts on the side.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: It has arsenic in it, so yeah, too much makes
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: it feel sick, no joke. But it also has good.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: Stuff in it, right, just let in the paint?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Is that bad? Yeah? Doesn't it always also have like
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: all these good vitamins in it and everything like that.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: If you like it, Fred, don't let them, don't don't
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: let them stop you from drinking.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Matthew said, is alpha comes before beta testing? Evan shaking
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: my head. I thank you, thank you, Paul and Illinois says,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: it took you two weeks, but we're finally into some
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: real offseason talking shows. Enough of these serious, practical discussions
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: of why Mayo was fired or who will be the
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: new coach, or who will Rabel's corodners be. We're onto
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: donuts and coffee, Jaws, Star Wars and the like. When
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: is the next we'll take Josh talking? We might we
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: might do a karaoke contest here the warming up. Yeah,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: you're you're involved.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: I can't sing.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: You have a song that you could sing, you know,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: you do. Yeah, an Earth Wind and Fire song or
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, I can't do it.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: You do not want to hear me sing?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: No, that's why we want to hear you sing. You know.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: Tonight?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: Spice of.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Marco from Mexico writes in something that's been intriguing me
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: lately since I heard that McDaniels is being mentioned as
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: candidate for OC in terms of reputation, do you think
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: that the fact McDaniels currently has a bad reputation among
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: players due to what happened during his tenure in Oakland
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: could have an impact when it comes to signing free agents.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Could it affect prospects not wanting to join New England
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: because just because Josh is the OC. I think that
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: could be an issue. But I would like to know
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: what you guys think.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, maybe, but I would say any of those
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: players that would be like that, you probably don't want anyway.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, I wouldn't say that, But I don't necessarily think
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: that's the deciding factor over money. I think if you
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: want to give guys money, they're gonna come.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: I also think that people can separate that he's not
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: a head coach here, right, he's going to be the
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: offensive coordinator. And as an offensive coordinator, his resume speaks
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: for itself of how he's you know, been able to
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: use guys and adapt and morph into different offenses based
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: off his personnel. So if you're an offensive player, I
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: would say that, Okay, this guy is going to know
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: how to use me. He's going to you know, figure
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: out ways to get me the ball if you're a receiver,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: and Rabel will take care of the culture.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, just as an example, Mike, just to
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: come back at you because I don't I don't argue
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: with you nearly enough.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: No, you don't. We need to stop.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 6: That's going, right, What.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: I would just say for an argument take And I
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: have no idea how this individual feels about Josh McDaniels.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: But like if Jacoby Myers were a free agent and
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: he said, well, I'm not going to New England because
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels is there. I played for him in Vegas
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: and it was terrible, you know, like that's not like
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: the wrong guy.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: No, only played play with him here too.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: Right, No, I'm just just brought him up as an
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: example of a guy in the Raiders.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 6: Right, Well, I think that's ridiculous.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: It's a hypothetical.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: Sorry, I'm trying to argue with you. No, I I
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: get it, but I think, you know, some of the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: reasons that guys weren't happy with Josh McDaniels and in
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 6: Vegas might have been stupid, and the.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: Fact that they're not going to might have been on
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: the players. They're not gonna cut.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: It here, even under a Mike Vrabel regime, much less
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: you know, Josh is running it all.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: So I just wouldn't shut myself off to all players
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: who think that Josh mcgingals didn't do well, Yeah, that's
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: not all the player's fault, that's all.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: No, that's that's fair. I but still I don't. I
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: think ultimately it's Mike Vrabel's team and Josh's resume speaks
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 6: for itself. And you know, if guys were like, well,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 6: I mean it was great after we left. We were
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: smoking cigars and stuff, and I like that.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: Better, you know, like whatever, but how that work out?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: He's still he still has that that old Patriots fan.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: Well that's what they're interested in.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how that work out? Ye get them. You know,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: we like lots of guys, we like smoking cigars after
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: Champion with.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: The last three years. But you know, we love to
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: smoke a cigar at some point, but we don't get
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: to do that anymore now.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: I thought Michael Lombardy made a great point about that
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: as well. So I'll stick on.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: Smoking street, say no, somebody the guy.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: Somebody brought it up and he was like, I mean
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: they were smoking the guards and there we got a
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: culture that they have that's not the Patriot where he
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: did a whole thing. So that's why I brought it
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: up for Paul's benefit.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: I knew he was.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: My larger point would just be don't close yourself off
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: to people, you know, for those kinds of reasons. Superficial
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: It's fine.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, then how many guys in Vegas do you
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: really want anyway? Like, I mean, is it which guys.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think this is a big deal because
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: I think in free agency it comes down to money.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: This isn't about Raiders. It's not about X Raiders. It's
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: about people around the league that talk and they're like,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: this guy is a colossal a hole. Now you don't
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: want to play for him, Like it doesn't have to
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: be a raider.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: Did it hurt him after Denver, Like that's a question.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not I'm not saying I say yes
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 6: or no. I just because you already kind of had
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: that experience where he came in and had, you know,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: when people were.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: Coming back in the midst of a dynasty. You don't
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: have that anymore. Now I have my choice. If I
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: want to win games, I don't have to go there
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: if I want to win games, right.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I've always ask you a question.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: And again, I don't know. I think the emailer is
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: probably worried about something that's maybe a little far fetched
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: because I think if T Higgins wants to sign with
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: New England, it's gonna cost you a lot of money.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: It's not gonna cost you any more money. I don't
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: think because Josh McDaniels is here, it's gonna call. You're
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: gonna have to obid other teams because people are gonna
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: be interested in T. Higgins. For the Chargers, by the way,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: is one of those teams. Now, you're gonna be hard
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: for us to outbid the Chargers because that's a better
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: team right now, with a coach that is already established
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: a playoff level roster. That's that's gonna be hard.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think those players. I mean it's money at
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: the top. Then it's a little vable, it's a little drake.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: May you know Josh is part of this too. Maybe
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: if you didn't have the greatest impression of Josh, or
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: you've heard things that you're necessarily maybe worried about, you
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 6: got to take take all.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 12: Of it in.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: All right, A couple more emails before we get the picks.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Ell says, I'm a pretty big fan of Evan's ball knowing,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: but wow, each food take is somehow worse than the last.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: What you have a bad food take today?
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: And then Dan and Virginia Michigan. Probably once again the
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: boss Man has it right with his opinion about decaffeinated coffee.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: It's like non alcoholic beer. What's the point?
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: I totally agree with the non alcoholic.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: Be No, that's probably what is the point.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: I just don't find I have.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: Some apple juice or something.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, have some water. It's not tasty enough.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: Some people, really, have you ever tasted I've never even tasted.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: It tastes the same kind of tastes the same.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure some of the good ones are oduls
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: is old duels.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: To me, taste just like you know regular, I just
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not a huge beer if you want to drink it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: You know, I play a role in the show. I'm
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: not really a huge beer drinker. But what like the taste? Like,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: do you love the taste of beer?
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Some beer?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: A lot of people do. I'm not telling you that
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: you're not out there.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: I p as another take out out. It's not I
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: PA is for people who don't like beer.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: I actually don't. I really love the taste of beer.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: I don't either.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I drink it like I like Sam Adams,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: like if I had to pick a beer. But I'm
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: not like a big beer guy.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: But some people, like I have friends that literally drink beer,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: like like you can't. They can't get them enough, Like
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: they just love beer, And I'm just like, it doesn't
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: really taste that good to me. I drink it because
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: it's fun.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: You get if you ever had mead mead No, No.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 6: This is the sixteen hundred.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: Type of people annoy me beer. People that love beer
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: like they like I like, Okay, I love you, don't
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: you love the idea?
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 12: Lately?
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: Drunk kind of off beer lately because it's so filling
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: now for.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 6: Me, especially the I pas that's saying those things are
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 6: like eating a loaf of bread.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: That's why like hens and all the selters.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: Is the first thing I learned from a very competent waiter.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: You know, people tend to think, oh, you pour beer
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: down the side so that it doesn't get a lot
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: of head. That's the wrong way to pour beer, because
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: it's keeping in all the whatever they call it, and
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: it makes you more. You know, filter port right down
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: the middle so it releases all the nitrogen or whatever
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: it is, and then you know it's better for you
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: don't get filled a quickly.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: I feel like Paul does, Like there are certain people
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 6: are typing a beer just is perfect.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: I would say, like one PM game here we do
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: our thing, watch the game, I get home, you know
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 6: whatever it is watching the night game, and like some
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 6: days there's like, man, there's nothing better than just the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 6: nice beer. Worked hard today watching the games. Same with
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 6: SODA's like sometimes I just gotta have a soda.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Like down it's a su it harbor, go down to
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: the clamshat, nice warm sunny day. Steamers. Oh there's nothing better.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: I told beer and steamers is.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 6: The best looking out at the ocean with your soulmate.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: But whether or not I have my soulmate?
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: Did you?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Did you?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: You didn't read this stuff yet?
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: What on the newsletter? No?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Oh I, it's a good one for you. All right,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: all right, it's that time. I'll get to the callers.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: After hang on.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: We'll hang on, all right. We have four games and
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: a college game to talk about.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: So last week, uh, three way tie Mike, Alex, Paul
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: five and one, Evan four and two, and Fred three
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: and three. You know Fred's he likes to push the
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: envelope and taking some swings, take some swings. None of
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: them hit with the spread. Same three Mike, Alex, Paul
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: four and two, Fred and Evan two and four.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: That's just poor to me.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: Evan retired after you.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: We could pick the four games and then we'll do
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: the call.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Did I have a lock last week?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: You did? But it was college you won your lock?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: I won Ohio State.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: Lock was Ohio State and that they were minus six
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: they won by fourteen.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, So you know, I have to be
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: very diligent with my locks because a lot of people depend.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: On So yeah, just to let everybody know, Mike and
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: Alex went to and zher and the rest of us
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: went one and one, and that was the same with
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: the spread in overall.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: That's because I keep picking against Notre Dame, all right,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: I always pick up for the postseason.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 6: That's one of my best.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: Like, Okay, So we'll do the NFL games first, and
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: then the bonus pick will be Monday nights National Championship.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: We'll start with Saturday four thirty ESPN, ABC, ESPN Plus,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: ESPN Deportes the ten and seven Texans against the fifteen
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: and two Chiefs.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: So do you think there's a reason why they continue
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: to put Houston in the four thirty Saturdays.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: Right in every game?
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: All the market like why all their players?
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 6: They want to watch them?
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: So Kansas City by eight and a half. Wow, that's
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: a big number, a big number. Mike.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna take Kansas City. And I know they
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 6: haven't really done a great job covering this year, but
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna have them cover this one.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: Uh, I just have a hard time believing that Houston's
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 6: gonna mount much. Although I was really surprised with how
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 6: they played last week. That was the one game I
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: think I lost was was this one, So I think
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 6: we all all been on the Chargers, but I don't
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 6: think they got it two weeks in a row on
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: the road in Kansas City. I'm gonna take the Chiefs
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 6: a light of points.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have Alex's pick, so we'll have to
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: get those at another time.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: Evan, I'm gonna go with the Chiefs, but I'm going
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: to take the Texans to cover this spread because I
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: think that Texans pass rush last week was just unstoppable,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: and the Chiefs offensive line, especially their tackle plays, has
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: been an issue for them all season long. And I
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: do think that the Chiefs have to pull this one
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: out late like they have all its season.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: But I would love this. I hope it's hope this.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: I think there is a chance though that a lot
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: of these games, like the nice wild card weekend teams
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: that won last week, they go up against the big
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: boys this week and get smoked could happen.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with Evan. I think Kansas City wins the game,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: and I don't think it will necessarily be in doubt
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, but I'll take the point.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Do we have a health report, like any team missing
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: any notable people in the city.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: Seems like they're as healthy as they've been.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: All well, I'm going to go with the Chiefs both ways.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: You can talk about the Texans defense all you want,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: but the Chiefs defense is why they're fifteen to two.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Stri It's del Rio not anymore. But but I am
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: going to take the Chiefs to cover and get one
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: step closer to that three peat which cannot happen. Cannot happen?
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: Is that the thing that you least want to happen,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: Like Buffalo winning would kill you. I would say, yes,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: you know, yes, Kansas City.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: So the question is I'd rather have Buffalo win a
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl or the Chiefs three peat Baltimore. Like you
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: hate a lot of Baltimore, I could be all right
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: with them. So the thing that you'd least like to
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: happen would be Buffalo winning.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: Buffalo winning, Oh really.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: Again, against the laws of nature.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: I think it's the mafia right, Like the mafia.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: Is, then they would have something to say, only what Yeah,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: I can't get to be.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: Alright with any of these eight teams. I probably would
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: least like to see Philadelphia win because you don't care
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: as much as I.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: I'm pulling for Baltimore. I want them. I want Lamar
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: to get his It's super.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: Cool if like Detroit wanted, but I never could. I
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: think I don't have the hatred in my heart that
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: you guys do.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: Would be Detroit.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: I love to hate one.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: Detroit Baltimore in the Super Bowl would.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: Be all right. Saturday, nine, eight o'clock Fox, Fox deportes
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: the twelve and five Commanders at the fifteen and two Lions.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: Detroit by nine and a half.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: Big spreads, big.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: That is a big one, big spread.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: I gotta go to the Sharps.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: I gotta go with Detroit at home. But you know,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 6: I just I think there's something special in Washington. I
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: think they'll go in, they'll play loose, and uh, you
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 6: don't think Detroit's defense has had some So I'll pick
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: Washington to cover that one. I think they kind of
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 6: hang with him and put up some points. But I
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: think Detroit will win the game. I don't like either
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: of these first two games. Like Sunday's the games Sundays
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 6: of the games to watch like these two games, I
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: don't know. I hope they're competitive and watchable.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: But are gonna go Detroit? Detroit? I think this is
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: one of those games where nice little win for the
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: Commanders on wild Card weekend, but then you go up
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: against a big boy like the Lions and get smoked
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: in the divisional round.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: I'm with Evan again. I think the same way. I
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: feel Washington's defense will not be able to really hold
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: up against the Lions attack.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nine and a half, they're trying to bring in
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: the Washington money. It's not coming. Lions both ways playoff points.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: So now we move to Sunday to.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: Look back at my glossary with playoff points.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: Man Sunday at three pm Eastern Time on NBC, Peacock, Telemundo,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: and Universo, the ten and seven Rams are at the
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: fourteen to three Eagles Philly by six man playoff points.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 6: I think I'm trying to pick this one with my
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: head because my heart loves what the Rams have done
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 6: on defense, and I just like watching them. I think
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 6: they're just aggressive and it's but you could say the
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: same thing about the Eagles defense. Too aggressive and fun
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: to watch, but you know, big injury with the Kobe Dean.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 6: I'll take Philly to win, but I'll take the Rams
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 6: to keep it close and cover.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: I'm taking the upset. I'm taking the Rams in this game.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: The Eagles offense just still doesn't seem right outside of
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley to me, and I think they're gonna have
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: to score some points in this game to win, and
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: I'm just not very confident in their ability to do that.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: And I also think that as great as Fan Gio
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: is for the Eagles, going up against the coordinator that
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: kind of does what he does and has a system
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff, that spells to me
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: that Sean McVay is going to have some things cooked
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: up for the Fangio scheme. So I'm taking the Rams.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: I like the way he says, fine from the stand of.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 6: You see what you did, I do impressions of what
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: Fred does. I don't know who that's supposed to be.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: I think we all know I am. I am with
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: Mike on this one. I will take the Eagles to win.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: I was very impressed with their defense last week, but
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: I'll take the Rams to cover. And I definitely give
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: the Rams a legitimate chance to pull off the road
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: just a little too much.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: I think I haven't I haven't trusted the Eagles all year.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: They keep winning but I haven't trusted them. I'm going
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: to say the Rams win this game, out right, I think,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to make the covering of it the
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: lock of the week, not the win, not the outright win.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying I put the.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: Was getting six Rams plus six is.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: The lock of the week here, folks.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 6: So you know what I want to make money.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: If you want to make money, that mortgage is college
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: fun whatever you got six thirty on Sunday evening on
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: CBS in paramount plus the twelve and five Ravens are
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: at the thirteen and four bills.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: What a game.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 6: That's a good one. I'm gonna settle in.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: Oh sorry, but Baltimore by one and a half.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: This will be a beer game for me. I think
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: you know, I have a sit down the beer. Did
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: you say Baltimore by one?
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: An Baltimore?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: You heard him right, and you should take a double take.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: So I thought it was funny that, you know, like
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: the whole like the FPI index that I always make
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: fun of. So Baltimore is favored by one, and it
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: says Buffalo fifty percent chance to win. That's what it
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: keeps putting.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: On the score on he says close as close can be,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 6: even for the Sharps. Sharps don't know what to do, man,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 6: I don't really know what to do. I feel like
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: it's a coin flip kind of game. I know a
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 6: lot of like Evan said, a lot of people want
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 6: to see Lamar get it this year. If not this year,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 6: when when will Lamar get it? I just I can't
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 6: pat against Buffalo at home. I really can't do it.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 6: So I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Buffalo in the
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 6: home as the home dog. I think that place is
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 6: gonna be rocking. And I think this would be a
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 6: great game back and forth. And I like Josh Allen
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: to make a little bit of a statement and you know,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: show he has the edge as the MVP this year.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: I can't pick this game. It's like picking between It's
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: a great game. It's like picking I just hope it.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: Zero.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I just love both these quarterbacks a lot.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: I think these are the two best quarterbacks in the
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: league outside of my homes. Ah, man, I'm gonna I'm
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: gonna lean towards Baltimore. I am just a little bit
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: more uh confident, and both sides of the ball for them.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: I just feel like they're a little bit more of
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: a buttoned up team right now. But I could see
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: this going either way, but I'll take the Ravens.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with both of your assessments. I could
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: see a great argument to be made both sides. I'm
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: gonna go with Buffalo A little bit of a hard pick.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: I just I'm kind of rooting for Josh Allen. I
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: know Lamar hasn't won either, and I wouldn't be upset
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: if he won because that I think greatness sometimes should
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: be recognized for being great, and I think too often,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: you know, if you don't win it all, you're not
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: that right, you know, like Dan Marino is not as
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: good as Plus.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: You want to block Patriots fans.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: Well, there's not really, there's nothing really to block.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: It's like if I wanted to block.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: Patriots fans would be all Kansas City all the time.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: I'd be rooting for the three P right, That's right.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: Isn't that the biggest block?
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: I think?
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe, like it's not.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: I I like Josh Allen and I like Lamar Jackson.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: I think that they should be able to win a title.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: So I'm rooting for those guys to win. I'll probably
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: be rooting for the winner of this game next week
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: no matter what.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: I'm rooting for the Bills to lose. Uh. And I'm
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: gonna take the Ravens to win this game. The window
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: is closed. There's gonna be a lot of this guy.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know how I didn't see that coming. I'm
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: ashamed of myself.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of red ass in Buffalo,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of red ass Niagara if they lose.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be in the crosshairs because
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: they will not be able to stop the run.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: And that's going to be So I'm going to fade
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: the Bills. I got you so right, Yeah, I'm going
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: to fade the Bills. I'm going to go with the
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: Ravens to win this acceptable and they cover, by the way, Yes,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: and they cover, they will not win by one? Yeah,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: all right? So now the National Championship game, Notre Dame
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: in Ohio State.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: Ohio State by eight and a half.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: Are they playing this game? I do not know.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's a good question.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: You're playing.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Why don't we know that?
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: That's weird?
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: The Dallas.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: I think it's Dallas, not on Universal at eighteen.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: T is Dallas, Dallas Stadium. No it's not. It's not
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, as you guys might have heard, I
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 6: actually watched all the state game last week.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: He's really had himself about that.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 6: It's amazing you watch the football, like every minute of it.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 6: I didn't even go to that well once you know
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 6: he took the fumble back.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: That's how it was that one.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: By the way, we'll go to the three calls. We'll
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: go a little or longer today and we'll get bonus
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: callers because it's off season.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 6: I don't want you to bonus time. I think Notre Dame,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: nice story, nice wins for them here getting to this
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 6: to this point. But I just think Ohio State looks
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 6: like a wagon right now, and they got the pieces.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 6: So I'm gonna take Ohio State and I'm gonna lay
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 6: the points.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 6: I think it's probably gonna make one of these college
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 6: football games where it's a couple of score games.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: What do we say the margin was eight and a half?
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like them by like ten.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: I've been picking against Notre Dame the entire state because
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: I've been waiting for the Notre Dame that I grew
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: up with to show up in a big football game.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: I'm sticking with it. I'm going down with this ship.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: I think Marcus Freeman has done a great job with
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: Notre Dame. I think he's really rallied that team. If
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: you want a Rah Rah culture type of coach, he's
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: your guy. But talent is talent, and I just don't
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: think when you line these two teams up that Notre
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: Dame's talent matches Ohio State's talent. Who have Ohio State
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: has really been the best team in college football talent
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: wise all year long.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: When they play Michigan, they.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: Just have had some slip ups along the way. So
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna take the Buckeyes. I'll take I'll take them
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 4: both ways. I think there's just a too big of
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: a talent discrepancy here.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that in watching all these playoff games,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: by far, I think Ohio State has played the best
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: in all these games. I'll ride them, even though I
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: hate them. I will continue to take Ohio State. I
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: think I think Ohio State is just been markedly better
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: than the opposition.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: I'm tempted to take Notre Dame to win out right,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: I'll settle on them covering. But I think there's something
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: special going on with Notre Dame. Something going on here.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people. I can't go all the
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: way and say that they're going to win this game
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: out right, but they will cover. They will cover, So
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to make it a lock. I've already
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: made my lock.
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  Speaker 3: So Ohio states to win him the cover is that.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: That's right. Okay, that's right, You got that right, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Kramer.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: So those are our picks. But I did say, well,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: we'll hang on. It's we're up against the hour. But
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: we have a few callers that have called. I want
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: to reward their patients and their off season interest. Uh,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: so let's go to Christian in LA. What's up Christian.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 16: You guys today?
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 16: It dropped out? Yes they have a call, but must
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 16: have been where I haven't here in La? And how
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 16: bad the signal is? So two questions for you guys. One,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 16: ten lasted a bad draft and a mediocre uh free
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 16: agent fighting? Does that get rable out at one and done?
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 16: That's that's one question.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: Say that again. Say that again.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: Ten losses are bad? Draft. Yeah, we'll say in.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 16: A mediocre like free agent free agent class.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: So in other words, they win three more games than
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: they did this year, No, one and done. It doesn
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: no by by improving by three games.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: No, he doesn't get canned after one year.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 4: That's a that's an okay, improvement.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: There have there I actually need to see how Yeah,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: there has to be fist fights and all kinds of folks.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: You've got the situation that happened you laugh.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: I really mean there has to be There has to
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: be locker room, complete locker room, you know, pandemonium. Yeah right, okay.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 16: Second second question is you have two questions. If we
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 16: get Higgins, Chris Godwin first round defensive.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: Tackle, Micah Parsons.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 16: Offensive tackle, third round of wide receiver, is that put
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 16: a possibly the playoffs?
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: Playoffs? We just go to the playoffs where we're good.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: Godwin Godwin the season, who is he good? I mean,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: they an't do.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: If they hit on all the draft picks, then it
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: can be. Yes, they could be a playoff team if
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: you Yeah, and I think it requires six players that
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: immediately help you immensely.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: You could be good and bringing in those middle class
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: guys that are solid players, Like we talked earlier about
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: the Red the Commanders. So I think there's a path. Yeah,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: there's a path.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: And I think in the NFL there's a path every
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: year for somebody.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 4: Why not you, especially in the schedule Andrews and Boston,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: Like there's a.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: Team that goes from really bad to really good in
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: one year every year in the NFL.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: What's up, Andrew, Hey.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 13: What's going on? I'm kind of interested today in uh,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 13: just like a slight debrief of last year's wide receiver draft.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 13: So I'm wondering, who are you most surprised by or
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 13: or how do things go versus expectations, and then maybe
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 13: focus on how we're going to apply that lesson learned
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 13: to this year's draft.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: I think my biggest surprise is Pope, just complete lack
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: of anything from him. I really thought he'd be you know,
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: he'd be okay.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: So he's talking about the draft class at large overall. Yeah,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: So you know, Savy, you're worthy, Ladd mcconkiea like that, Coleman, Sure, yeah,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: you know most of those guys contributed.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think Coleman I've seen probably the
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 6: most of him, but i've you know, I mean it's
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 6: been a little sporadic and you missed some times.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: Obviously McConkie had a huge conky at brought Bowers tight end.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 6: But still, yeah, had a huge year. I think I
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 6: again was kind of up and down, and he was hurt.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think he was very good man.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a world the five fifty club, right, Like,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: if you're above five fifty as a rookie, that means you, guys,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: you're onto something. So uh, Kean Coleman had just over
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: five fifty six, So him in Ladd McConkie or the
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: other than like neighbors and and Brian Thomas Junior and
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: the guy's the top top right, But talking about we
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: left out, Yeah, and all four of those guys hit
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 4: over Xavier Worthy hit over to uh. So you know,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: the a couple of these guys seemed like a pretty
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 4: good class. Oh, I mean the top of the class
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: is one of the best way we've seen in a while.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 6: That's what's so frustrating. It's like, why can't they hit
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 6: on one, Like you mean, one of the six guys
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 6: that had successful rookie years by that standard.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 4: And I know, I think the biggest question that I
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: would have is just just to take the Washington receivers
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 4: and the Dune Day was obviously in his own category
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 4: a little bit, but like him and McMillan both had
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 4: decent rookie seasons. McMillan was decent in Tampa Bay and
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 4: you got the one that didn't do anything. So like
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: even just evaluating that program in it took the vacuum.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 8: Yea.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it only played a more prominent role because McMillan
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: got hurt.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so like what were you looking at that? Said
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: Polk over mc millin. Obviously a duneesay is its own thing,
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: but that in itself, I think can get you a
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 4: long way in terms of fixing it.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: We took his name in vain a lot. Today, Boston
• 2:04:08
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• 2:04:12
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• 2:04:15
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• 2:04:18
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• 2:04:25
  Speaker 17: are the second highest selling in the world, So put
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 17: some respect on my name.
• 2:04:30
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• 2:04:31
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• 2:04:35
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• 2:04:39
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• 2:04:40
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• 2:04:43
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• 2:04:46
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• 2:04:48
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• 2:04:56
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• 2:04:58
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• 2:05:01
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