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BONUS: Ancestral Wisdom for the Overwhelmed Parent with Holistic Hilda · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's something I really wanted to talk to you about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because um oh wait, wait, and so by the way, so this is what I'm doing now with these showcase pieces.
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  SPEAKER_01: I you're the first one, so I figured this it's good, it's really great you're you're the first one because I've never done it like this before.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what we figured is um so we wanna offer something more to our listeners, but Joel doesn't really have a lot of time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, well, what do I like to do?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I love to interview people, I love to learn from other people, and I don't want to always have the science hat on, you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: I wanna be like, I'm a real person and we all struggle, and so this is more of a like Jill and I do more of the politics together, but our audience is also resonating with this whole concept of like we all struggle, and like, how do you actually get through this?
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, how do you actually eat this way and like all the practicalities?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I thought, okay, let's start doing that a more like um personal, down-to-earth, just like girlfriends talk chatting about stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so that's how the idea came about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I thought this is perfect because um, well, I have so many questions for you anyway.
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  SPEAKER_01: But but you so you mentioned how I seem just more grounded now, and you've hung out with me uh quite a bit, like not only on the phone, but at the polyface summits and the other retreats.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you've seen me at all different time points and um you know, stressful times, happy times, and whatnot, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I really think, and we haven't talked about this yet because of the holidays and everything, but it's really the shame component for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was realizing that I live or have lived the vast majority of my life in a space of shame.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and Hilda, I didn't even realize it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, did I tell you how how it came about?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but tell me again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, so I was trying to do the short story of this was um someone posted to our homeschool group, uh, well, so we had a homeschool event coming up, you know, just a regular meetup.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I had said that I wasn't gonna go and nobody RSVP for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I posted and I was like, is anybody coming?
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  SPEAKER_01: And nobody said they were coming.
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  SPEAKER_01: The day of the meetup, somebody came and they posted, Where is everybody?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I immediately felt guilty.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, oh my goodness, like maybe my communication wasn't clear enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I should have said it again today that no one's gonna be there.
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  SPEAKER_01: But logically, I knew this was not my responsibility.
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  SPEAKER_01: I already went above and beyond what I even was was required to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's a play group, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not even a job.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um I messaged one of the girls in our playgroup who happens to be a therapist, and I said to her, Look, you know, you saw just what just happened, and um, I can't shake this feeling of guilt, even though I know logically this is not my responsibility.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she said to me, You are mistaking guilt for shame.
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  SPEAKER_01: She said, Guilt means you did something bad, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's a judgment on a behavior, and she said, shame means I am bad, and so it's a judgment on your identity.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when these things happen, like that person in our group got confused.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I live in this shame space, I take it on as my fault.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am bad, so that thing is my fault, and so now I have to leap in and try to fix it, you know, even though I know logically it's not my fault.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like this overwhelming impulse reaction to it's like a reflex.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've done it for so long, you don't even think, you just immediately go into act, you know, whether it's the you know, trying to fix the situation, whether it's over apologizing for something, even if you didn't do it, and and it leads, you know, are the people pleasing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Living in the shame space often leads to people pleasing, which is you know, I struggled with this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so many women, so many of us do, and I think it's likely that your friend was able to identify how you were feeling because she's been there too.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's right, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I and I started to ask other moms and started to see it in them, you know, in their behaviors, um, inability to set boundaries, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's been a historic issue for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've read books about how to set bound like healthy boundaries, you know, I've consciously tried to do it, and and you and I have talked about this too, in like being in the space we're in and trying to um find our worth and really stand in that power of, you know, I have value, I have something to offer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and and that's even a hard space for me to stay in.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll step in and step out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Zach Bush told me that before.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was like, You're so powerful, but you stand in the power for a minute, like you tiptoe into it, and then you step out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, why am I doing that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why am I not showing up?
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  SPEAKER_01: It it's like Brene Brown talks about in her in her shame TED Talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you listened to that one?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, I haven't.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'll send that to you.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: She talks about standing in the arena.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, from a famous you know, quote from a former president, and basically showing up in your life is standing in that arena, and to do that, you have to be vulnerable.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what stops people from being vulnerable?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oftentimes she says it's shame.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because we are in large part moving through our day making decisions to try to stay out of a space of shame.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, whoa, like that hit me really hard because that's what I'm doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, you you and I have talked before about living more like a God-centered life, you know, living for our purpose, and that God gives us all these special gifts, and trying to figure out what our special gift is and living for that purpose and honoring Him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it clicked where I thought, you know, how can I do that if every choice I'm making, really on even the subconscious level, is trying to just avoid shame.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like a a game of whack-a-mole, you know, trying to make sure every duck is in a row.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know as moms too, we want everything tidy and every kid to be listening to us and all the things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I don't think we realize how much of that is a control, that we're trying to control our environment so that we come out, you know, looking good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's not about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, what if we if we were able to stand in the knowledge that we are good, you know, that God loves us, that we are his precious daughters, princesses, if you will, if he's the king, you know, then we wouldn't feel as compelled to fix everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: I, you know, we both came from dysfunctional homes, and I think it is easy to fall prey to wanting to people please and keep everything in a row.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think one book that's helped me, apart from the Bible, is actually that book called Awareness that I'm sure I've mentioned to you before by Anthony DeMello.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he was a Jesuit priest from India.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so he was able to, how can I put this, shed new light on biblical truths almost from a more detached perspective, almost like a Buddhist kind of perspective.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, just awareness.
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  SPEAKER_00: What if we had eyes to see that Jesus even talks about?
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  SPEAKER_00: When we can look at ourselves, see now, with more compassion, then we have more compassion for the people around us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it helps so much.
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  SPEAKER_00: But instead, you know, we see the fact that you messed up, let's say, quote unquote, with this one person, or that potentially you messed up, like is a threat to our perception of ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so because we don't have compassion for ourselves, then we can get annoyed with others.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so-and-so didn't forward my email, or you know, you start kind of casting blame.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so this is a very, very deep subject uh that I think can be approached with the simplicity of awareness.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what that's what I've been working on, I think, for the past 10 or 15 years, because the more I understand who I am and even how I operate, because I can watch the people pleasing now or see my tendencies with clarity, then the more grace and compassion I have to shed for those around me because I've been bringing it to myself first.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you so you are affectionately known as Holistic Hilda, and you are the voice for the Wise Traditions podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: And how many downloads do you have now?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it like 15 million or something?
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's been amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: 16 million, actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: 16 million.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am so thankful.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: And what's so funny is, I mean, this is kind of um well, you and I both have this kind of go-getter attitude.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's how you started the Beyond Labels podcast and even now your own stuff.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I back in the day was like, gosh, I love this group, the Weston A Price Foundation.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I would love for them to have a podcast.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: And this was in the early days when like serial was the only podcast anybody knew.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I approached them and they said, sure, you can launch one.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I had no experience whatsoever, but I did know it was important.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, kind of in a very uh ambitious and excited, you know, spirit, I just kind of launched it.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: I got a microphone, I got a book called Like How to Launch a Podcast by John Lee Dumas, I think it was.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just started it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now it's been going for 10 years and it's in the top 150 of health and fitness podcasts on Apple Podcasts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it's got 16 million downloads, and you might know this as well as I do, Cena.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each download is just somebody who bothered to download it to listen to it.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many more listeners than the downloads even represent.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: People that listen and never download it, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's just amazing that it's been such a tool.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this has been for me also a springboard for entering into who I am, which is I've always been an adventure at heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I like to call myself Dora the Explorer 2.0.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm like, where can I learn from these health traditions from indigenous people groups like Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Price did a hundred years ago?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I've traveled the world like using this kind of podcast as a springboard for exploring.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I've been to Mongolia and Australia and Kenya and all over the place, you know, Peru, Ecuador, and Mexico.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's been phenomenal because I've been able to learn not only from the experts that I interview on the show, but from people who are living out these traditions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: So many questions here I want to unpack.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you have interviewed some of the top scientists and doctors from around the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever been in the process of interviewing them, or maybe even preparing for the interview, and maybe got even a little wave of like imposter syndrome?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, where maybe that shame stepped in and you kind of thought, oh, maybe I'm not enough, or who am I to be doing this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe even in the beginning, did that ever creep into your mind at all?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, it didn't in the beginning, because I think I was kind of an emotional bypass kind of girl.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I would just press on no matter what happened.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that has served me well.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I remember when I was interviewing people in 2015 before the show launched in 2016, and I think it was Will Winter, this farmer guy, said, Hey, you really know what you're doing.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of chuckled because I knew I didn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um but I I had this playful curiosity and there weren't high stakes.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I will say now, with the stakes much higher, because yes, I've been able to interview Bobby Kennedy and let's just say Bruce Lipton, Peter Crohn, Zen Honeycutt, Vannie Hari, like all these people who are actually a huge Joel Salatin, obviously, and others who are a huge part of this movement.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm more likely actually to sometimes doubt myself and be like, like, what am I doing here?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't have the credentials that some do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't have the letters after my name.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that's where I have to embrace exactly who my who I am and know that I have a secret sauce to bring.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: So here's an example.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wrote a book uh probably a couple of years ago now, if not three or four, and I took it to an agent who was going to ship it around to publishing houses, and not one publishing house picked it up.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: They said, one publishing house said you don't have enough letters after your name.
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  SPEAKER_00: In other words, you don't have the MS or MD or any.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm an integrative nutrition health coach, but you know, that didn't really count.
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  SPEAKER_00: Certified by the American Council on Exercise, that doesn't count.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I didn't have anything, any real gravitas.
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  SPEAKER_00: So one publishing house said that, and some of the others said this book is too much like other stuff that's out there, like Game Changers by Dave Asprey or The Boundless Life by Ben Greenfield.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so there wasn't any new territory being uncovered.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I realized, Sina, oh my gosh, I'm not bringing who I am to this book.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I thought it did have to conform to what was out there.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I was doing a little bit of what Tim Ferris did in this book called Tools of Titans.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tim Ferris is a podcaster.
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  SPEAKER_00: He took the answers from all his guests, like Arnold Schwarzenegger and other big names, and he put their information out, but his was nowhere to be seen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I feel like in this book, in a way, and I'm just processing this with you and all the listeners right now, I think I was kind of hiding.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I was kind of like, let's put their stuff out there, but not me.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: But now I've realized, oh, I don't have to understand this, you know, pesticide section and the 453 house appropriations bill.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know, need to know all the ins and outs of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can bring my curiosity when I ask questions.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I've accumulated my own wisdom in my own way to impart when I have the opportunity to be a guest.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because my stuff, I have to say, it's not necessarily all quantifiable, measurable by science when I talk to an adwaco wisdom keeper from Columbia, South America.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not something that you could measure in a lab, what he told me, but it's invaluable and priceless.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I was able to get this information from him because of my own, you know, ambition, yes, but also my desire to grow and learn, my ability to connect with people and all the things.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm learning to stand in my own power in a way that perhaps I didn't, I wasn't aware of in the early days.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then later I started to see shortcomings.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: But now I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna fly because I feel like that's what the world needs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'll just end with this and then we can talk about other things.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think it's Frederick Biekner, who is a modern-day theologian from the 20th century, he said, our calling is where the world's deepest need and our greatest joy overlap.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something along those lines.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's my own little interpretation.
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  SPEAKER_00: But whatever the world's deepest need and your greatest joy overlap, where they overlap, that's your deepest calling.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's your calling.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like I want to bring to the world ancient health traditions.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so whether it's on the podcast, on my YouTube channel, in a book, which I'm now working on revamping, you know, I'm going to bring that because that's what the world needs from me.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: They don't need another Cena McCullough or Joel Salton.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: They need Helda Labrador Gore.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, to me, when you're talking, the word that keeps coming to mind is authenticity.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: But that's really what we're talking about, is that being being vulnerable, as Brene Brown says, means you are your authentic self, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um instead of so many of us try to almost like a chameleon type behavior, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: To blend in and let's be seen, but not seen too much.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think it's really difficult in our culture, especially because of social media, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And the constant onslaught information, how easy it is for people to chime in their opinion anonymously.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is harder to show up as your authentic self.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I agree completely when you're talking about your book.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like I want to know, I want to read what you write and say that's Hilda.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: I want to know it's Hilda, not just a compilation of things that you've learned.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to know you, you know, like what makes you tick.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: So so let's talk about that because um I I fell in love with you from the moment I met you at uh Polyface Farm during our first two days of truth.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that's somebody who I want to spend time with.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know, there's just those people that have that great energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you're authentic authentic, you're high energy, but um you're also curious.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you don't have this uh ego that really gets in the way.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we all have ego that comes in, you know, and we we we make friends with it and you know calm it down, but you genuinely live in this authentic space, which I really admire about you.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: So who who do you think you are, like in defining who you are?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: And did your travels to all these different tribes, like these indigenous cultures, did that help you at all to like break away from our culture, be immersed in someone else's culture that you can arguably say is a more simplified culture?
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  SPEAKER_01: Did that help you to figure out who you are?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think being in different cultures and connecting with people off the grid, like really just doing their own little thing, it really helped let's say soften the hard edges of my ego and of my life and persona, so to speak.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to talk right now to any listener who's like a mom who's like, you know, they're talking about ego and showing up in the world, and I'm just trying to, you know, wipe my baby's bottom and get them to bed at a decent time.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like those things also, the small little ways in which we love our family, and we do these small acts with great love, as Mother Teresa said, these have a compounding effect in shaping who we are.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say back from the early days when I had four kids in five years and I was home, and I remember doing all these things for my little ones and thinking, no one's ever gonna know.
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  SPEAKER_00: As a matter of fact, they're not gonna remember all these things that I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: The book I read when I was absolutely exhausted, or the the time I picked through their hair because they had lice.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, imagine four kids with lice.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: It was, it was a nightmare.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those were hard, hard times.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: But so I did all these things that were kind of thankless, and I thought, oh, they're never gonna remember.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I had an aha moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, God is using these small things to change me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think that really was a time of showing me what really matters.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not the high visibility, even you know, the podcast and the hobnobbing with important people, which is lovely, but everybody's important.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the littlest kid with, you know, just little watery eyes that just wants a minute to cuddle is much more important than that Instagram post you're gonna check out and like.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Your tombstone is not gonna say, you know, I liked Cena's post 200 times.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like nobody cares in the end.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is not what it's about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And our world is so focused on showiness.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to invite people into some of these more profound connections that go beyond the digital world.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so glad you brought up when we met because that was in person.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's what matters the most, you know.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: And when we had the kids' program at Polyface at Two Days of Truth, people love that because their children got to be a part of the experience.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: And we didn't just shuttle them off somewhere in the, you know, little corn corn box, you know.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: We were like playing with them and I was playing my guitar.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was all the real life thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So know that life is like a little bit of those tumblers, the gemstone tumblers that that chip pieces off, and that can be painful, but it also makes us more beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I have learned from all the people I've met all around the world in in ways unspeakable, I think, but also in the small little acts in my own home.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when what is it hard for you now?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean you're still a mother, your kids are older.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is it hard for you now to find that balance?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm assuming your kids still need you at times, and but you know, you have this thriving business, and I know you're wanting to expand.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: So how do you find balance?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so how did you find balance then?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you find balance now?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so I'm thinking of moms and dads that might be listening to us right now that want to do all the healthy things for their family, but maybe they work and maybe they're also trying to, you know, start start or maintain a homestead and cook all their food.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's so many tools and tugs in our culture now.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it easily becomes so overwhelming and the plate becomes so over full that you're like something has to give.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: So how do you actually find balance in this modern world that seems just too hectic?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: I agree so much.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking I'm gonna tell a story on myself.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it's one that you know, Cena, and it's um very vulnerable, but I feel like it comes to bear in this conversation.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I haven't always had balance, and I used to work part-time as a worship leader, so much fun.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, how is my job playing guitar, literally playing?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, this is a blast.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: I would have once a week rehearsals, and then once a week we would play on Sundays.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was so much fun.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I had planned a day retreat with my team because I'm also big on connection and games.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was April 1st.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I know it was April 1st because we had this day-long retreat.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Let's say it was like from 10 to 4 or something.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: And um, we had started and we were doing some games and then some music and blah, blah, blah.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I get a phone call from my husband that my daughter, who was 16 at the time, had gotten into a car accident.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I first, because it was April 1st, I'm like, are you joking?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Is this a joke?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, No, I'm not joking.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, is she okay?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, you know, and he's like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like she has no injuries or whatever.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think they took her to the hospital just to check her out, but she's fine.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I stayed with my team till the end of the day.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I look back now and I just I made the wrong choice that day.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: I prioritized my team over my daughter who she wasn't physically hurt, but think about how traumatic that is.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: She was in a car accident, and this wasn't a fender bender.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: They literally had to get the jaws of life to open the car roof to pull her and the passenger out.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: She was, she had her driver's permit.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it was a temporary permit at the time, and so she was behind the wheels.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Someone else did get a little bit hurt.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was a horrible thing.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I decided to finish this silly day retreat.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm telling this on myself because I didn't make the right choice that day.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then, fast forward to years ago, um, this was only two or three years ago, I was with Mary Reddick.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: We were literally over near Papua New Guinea.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: We were in the Philippines, about to go to Papua New Guinea to do some exploring, as we like to do.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: And um I got a call from someone in my family saying that a family member was sick.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't think twice because I had learned my lesson.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so grateful that I had the awareness to be like, I need to drop everything right now.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Papua New Guinea sounds very alluring.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I was like, I'm I I left a note from Mary.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: I told her in the morning, girl, I've got to go.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: She understood.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: She went on by herself, which is not sure what she wanted, but I had to come home from my family.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember in the days following that when I was by my family member and um around, one of my children said to me, Mom, you're different.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I was so thankful because I had that awareness.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: So my plea to moms and dads listening right now is slow down.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a saying in Spanish that's called the espacio que estamos deprisa, like take your time because life comes at you fast, is kind of the rough translation.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Slow down to pay attention to what really matters.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because, like I was saying earlier about the likes on a post, it doesn't matter at the end of the day, any kind of recognition you get in a newspaper or an award because you're, you know, you've written this many articles for this outlet.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: What you want to do is love and be loved.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I've learned that in the, I would say, the hard way a little bit, but I now know what matters most.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: So do I still like to get my work done?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm still, you know, a girl that likes to check things off and all the things.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: But one thing that helps me to find balance is actually slowing down, like I said.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I also make sure to bookend my day with the way I want it to go.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: So what I mean by that is I get outside first thing.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: This is something I learned from Dr.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Jack Cruz and some other friends like Thaddeus Owen, that the morning sunlight, the spectrum of light within 30 to 45 minutes of sunrise really affects all of the body systems, from your hormones to your metabolism to your energy to your mood.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I get outside, I take a walk.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm stacking my hacks.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: I've got movement, I've got sunlight, I also pray on that walk for my family members and beyond, and I set my intentions.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: I have affirmations that I repeat every day to remind me who I am and what I'm about.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: And this helps so much so that when I come back into my household, I'm ready.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: I still have uh one of my children living at home.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: I've got my husband, I've got demands on my time, but I can come in on my terms as opposed to rolling over, like most people do, and I'm just saying this so that you can be aware, aware of how your life goes, picking up my phone, you know, turning off the alarm, and then starting to scroll and be responsive to the demands like that.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Those demands can wait.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: If you start the day on your own terms, getting the sunlight, you know, uh prayerfully, mindfully, intentionally, and with movement, you've set the tone for your day that is beautiful.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then at the end of the day, when I put my head on the pillow, I do a little review of the day, I offer up what I'm thankful for, what I didn't feel as good about, and I just give it over to God.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: And you even taught me that emotional detox movement, you know, that I sometimes will do.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of sweep something that I didn't like to erase it and toss it away.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, give it to God, however you want to think of it.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: But we need to detox emotionally too.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I do my best to bookend my day with those positive moments, and that really helps the rest of my day go a little bit smoother.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's so cool is I do something really similar, which I didn't realize that so every day when I wake up too, I have like affirmations and you know, and I try to get in the sun, I move my body as well.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: I got my kids doing it now.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I hydrate, I always make sure that I well hydrated.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: And speaking of affirmations, one of the ones that I've recently done to help me to address and kind of transcend the shame space is that I will literally wake up and I will say to myself, um, even now, like I'm getting choked up, um, I am a good person.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm telling you, the first, the first day that I tried to do that, I really couldn't say it.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's how much I did not believe it.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I just kept on doing it, you know, like Louise Hay says, she's like, just keep saying it.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like you will eventually believe it.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I kept saying it, you know, doing some kind of um awareness and shift my behavior exercises during the day, which is aligned with what Joe Dispenza says as well, you know, as you're imparting this information to us as well.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's and it's really like if you can just stop yourself in that fraction of a second and you know, like so, like, for example, I'm going back to the first example that we gave where that girl posted that she was already at the play date.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Where is everybody?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: My knee-jerk reaction was to immediately post, I'll be right there.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: Whoa, yeah.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's right, to fix it.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: I it wasn't even like, oh, let me check and see with my kids.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is this a good time with us?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, I sacrificed what the family needed to try to please that other person to make sure that was okay, you know.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I will say a lot of this is ingrained from us in in us from childhood, that if the environment is safe, then our nervous system can calm down some and we feel safe.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it's really a nervous system response that I I have figured out because the nervous system remembers what worked for it.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: So if you are if you are people pleasing with your parents and whatnot, and they calm down, the nervous system will remember and it wires that into what becomes your personality.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: So so instead of that knee-jerk reaction, if you can pause just for a fraction of a second to stop yourself from that reflex, and then like you're saying, you know, I asked myself um, you know, different questions like what am I feeling right now?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: What do I feel like I need to do right now?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then, like, why do I feel that way?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is this coming from shame?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Is this my responsibility?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what part of the situation is mine, and what part of it am I taking on as mine?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: And and it goes really fast in your head, like you don't have to have this 10-minute conversation, right?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: But I but if you can stop and do something like that, you can actually change the behavior.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: And this is exactly what Dr.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Joe Dispenza talks about.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's the it's the conscious awareness, and then you have to make a different choice.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so my choice every morning now is to wake up and say, I am a good person.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: And just like what you're saying, it sets me up for a more successful day.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm calmer, I'm more grounded.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't feel like I do these knee-jerk reactions as much.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: I actually sit and think about it for a moment.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what, Hilda?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kinder.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, only imagine how good this is for your kiddos.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like when you feel grounded, then like you said, you're not knee-jerk reaction, you know, you're not triggered that way.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then you can also cultivate these things in them.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: You can dole out the praise or reminders of how beautiful they are because you're coming from a place of peace.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: This reminds me a little bit also when you mentioned the nervous system, about the interview I did with Dr.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: Olivia Leslar.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think it was called something about safety signaling.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, you know, it's really important to signal to your body, so you're not in that fight or flight or freeze mode, that everything's okay.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what that start to our day brings and the end of the day, and in the middle, I would say, especially to moms who are really busy and put themselves less, don't forget to take care of yourself, to nourish yourself.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: You're always like, let me get this on the table for the kids, and then I have to do this other thing.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Slow down, like I said, and make sure that you're nourished as well.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're like, I can't get outside in the early morning, I'm I'm exhausted.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, my baby is still nursing, blah, blah, blah.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Just do the best you can.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: And please don't heap guilt on yourself that you should be this way or should be that way.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think Henry now says, don't shoot on yourself, you know.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Don't shoot on yourself.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: But look for ways in which to incorporate some of the things we're sharing because it will go a long way in sending the right signals to your body, bringing that cortisol down, and helping you to interact with your family and beyond in a very loving, peaceful way.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you know what I realized, and this harkens back to something that you were saying about acknowledging your importance and your worth in all stages of your life.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't have to be out on the big stage to do that.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because as you know, I'm also a stay-at-home mom, and you are too, right?
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: You were you are stay-at-home moms.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we both we both are stay stay-at-home moms.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um what's you know, when when Brene Brown talked about stepping into the arena, of course, the first thing most of us think of is what's the biggest thing, like what's my big dream that I'm not chasing and whatnot.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, however, and I think that's a manifestation of uh a consequence of our culture, right?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: That you have to keep striving, you have to keep wanting more and going for more, right?
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's not okay to be like, oh, I have enough.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like I am enough, right?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's this sense of scarcity and lack.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: But my point is, what I realized is for me, also standing in that arena.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, maybe I'll tear right here.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Standing in that arena is actually showing up for my kids.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's being in the moment with my kids, it's looking them in the eye, it's letting them know I am here for you.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: I see you.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not trying to change you.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sitting here shaming you through my discipline for to make you into something else that I think you should be because this is what society is saying.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's me actually showing up and seeing them for who they are and loving them and accepting them for exactly the way that God made them and exactly how they want to be.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Not that we don't have discipline, of course, but you understand what I'm saying.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not trying to change their core.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to break their spirit, you know.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I have realized that, oh, wait a minute, being in my arena, yeah, I have these professional goals, but my primary purpose, at least in this season, is to stand in that arena every day with my children.
• 34:22
  unknown: Yeah.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's so beautiful.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: I love that the arena doesn't have to be some big, broad, world-recognized stage.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: It absolutely is right there in the mix with the kiddos.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's the most important job.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: And that leads me to the mother code, which I told you I'm working on.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think I called this book, which I it's about to come out, and I do have a course that goes with it, um, the mother code, because it reminded me of the mother load.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just thinking, mothers are so weighed down.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: And like you said earlier, there's so many demands on them.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'll never forget a friend of mine who was part of one of these mother of preschoolers groups, I think they call them mops at different churches.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, Hilda, every single mom in the group had some part-time thing except for me.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: And she was ashamed.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: She was embarrassed.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, whoa, am I not like moving and shaking enough?
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: But the young years are so precious.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think we very much undervalue what those days mean to those kids.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so we really, really should find importance in pouring into them.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Does that mean we shouldn't have hobbies or ambitions?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean it's fine to have those, but just recognize this is raising the next generation.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's why when I have this course, it's called the Mother Code Six Habits for Endless Energy.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's not just for the moms, it's for the kids too.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's investing in generational health, it's helping the mom be as grounded and as healthy and as sunbathed and nourished as possible so that her kids will follow suit.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: And um I'm really, really happy about it because it's taking some of the ancestral wisdom, some of the things I've witnessed all around the world and bringing them into the home and very practical ways.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: And my favorite part about the course, Ashley Cena, is that I talk with the moms before they begin the six-week course and at the end.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: So we find out where they're at, where do they want to improve or grow, what areas would they like to see some success in, whether it's having to do with nutrition or sleep habits or whatever.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: And then at the end, we evaluate like where has the progress been made and where do they want to go next?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just it's so much fun.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: I love it so much.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like I said, I overhauled it because at first I thought, oh, this course is for anybody.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, no, the moms are the ones that need it the most.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know anybody else on the planet that is more stretched than a mom.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Even if she just has one little baby, you can hardly take a shower.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: You remember those days.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can hardly, you know, feed yourself, like I'm saying.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, how the heck are you supposed to be your strongest with the most resilience and patience for that little one when you are feeling worn down to your last little ounce of energy?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: So this course is designed, and the book that's gonna go with it is designed to really support the moms because they are the backbone of the home.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, so I don't know the answer to this.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: I intuitively think I know, but you're the expert.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I want to ask you.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I've often said to my mom friends that I think that part of the reason why we're so overwhelmed and exhausted as moms is that we don't live the way that God designed us to live, like in these maybe in these tribes, for example.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm wondering, and since you have had the opportunity to travel to all these different countries and mingle with all these different tribes, what is the day like for one of those moms?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't they have help with them?
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're not in their homes, like we are isolated, right?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: With like my three kids and the husband's gone, and it's just me, and I'm just trying to hold it together until he comes home, and then I'm like, here, it's your turn.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: I just need 20 minutes, like you know, like how is it different?
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: You hit the nail on the head.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Intergenerational living is what I see everywhere I go.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, for starters, in the home, if there is like a gur or a yurt, uh, which I saw in Mongolia, it is the grandmother and the children and their children.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it's multi-generations supporting each other while the daughter-in-law is cooking the meal.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I've seen this with my own eyes with the Kazakh eagle hunters.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: The daughter-in-law was preparing a soup while the grandmother was talking to the child of the daughter-in-law, you know, that sort of thing.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: So everyone's in it together.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's one thing.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other thing is they also support each other in all the aspects.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: So when I was in Ethiopia, I went to visit tribes along the Omo Valley and I met the Mercy people.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: And here, I didn't see the intergenerational thing as much as I saw all the moms were together with all the kids.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: While the men were in the fields harvesting the grain or whatever they were doing, um, I think it was harvesting grain, the women were together preparing meals together.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: So again, they weren't alone.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: And the kids actually were helping.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'll never forget one of the young girls was grinding grain with a little uh like a molca jete is the word in Spanish, but like a rolling pin made of stone on some stone.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: She was grinding the whole grain to get rid of the chaff or what have you.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, wow.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: So not that it's perfect.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not trying to idealize it.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure there are still moments where these moms are like, okay, we wanted to get this done two hours ago, though they're not wearing watches, which I think probably helps them.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: But I do see this community of support that is much needed and lacking in our culture today.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: And all the little apps for moms to connect or occasional playgroups are great, but it's not the same thing.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're right.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: The moms are stressed because they're doing it all on their own.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it really is important to find in-person support when possible, whether you're homeschooling or whether your kids are just on the same soccer team after school with some other kids, like talk to those moms, find ways to help each other out.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: Some communities even do where, like, I cook, I batch cook, let's say, for three families, and then they bring me food so we all can share.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it's instead of me coming up with a meal every night, which can be very exhausting, we're helping each other out.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: We'll do some swaps of the meals and we'll support each other in that way.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have to be a meal train just when someone has a baby.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there are lots of things you can do, and I think nourishment is also key.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: So one thing I've noticed around the world is that these people are eating their local organic seasonal foods.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's just real food, it's not on a shelf with you know, a label that says heart healthy.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like they just know it's what their tribe has traditionally eaten.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so they have access to it.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's right there.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: The men are threshing the grain, the they have hunters.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, literally, when I was in Ethiopia, they're like, Yeah, we eat whatever we can hunt, and then we share it with the whole village, and it was just it was amazing.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: But so for us, what does that look like today?
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you can go to farmers markets, you can actually go to the website of the West and A Price group, the group that I make the podcast for.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's west andapprice.org and click on find food or local chapters.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, there are people all around the world and the US whose only job is to help you find real food where you live.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: You can find farms that drop off in your area or that participate in farmers' markets.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: And also, I love Farm Match that I use.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my friend Max Kane started this group.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Tinder, but with farms.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: So you put in there, hey, I'm looking for eggs, milk, meat, and they'll show you the farms that offer that in your area.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a wonderful resource.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: There are lots of ways in which we can use actually technology to get back to ways in which we can nourish ourselves and our families best.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's a great use of technology.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you brought up something that uh I think is fascinating.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of us don't actually think of these things until someone says it.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's like, oh, that does make that's totally common sense.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: But you mentioned they don't have the tribes don't have watches.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought instantly that resonated deep inside of me that I I agree with you.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's one of the reasons why we're so stressed, is because we even overschedule, even the busy mom, like we overschedule, and I think part of that comes from that space of lack, you know, like where that you can trace back to shame and fear, you know.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's like trying to keep up with the Joneses.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I see I feel this and I see this amongst my friends.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, they're doing all these things for their kids, and my kids are gonna be left behind because we're not doing all these things, and like, and so I have to sometimes catch myself when I'm doing that.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I talk to my husband, Donnie, about it, and he helps to ground me.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, this is our um, this is our purpose that we decided on, like for you being home and for us homeschooling, and so this is our litmus test.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: Let's true back to that.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: But it is this constant pool that you feel because of our culture, and everything is by the watch, right?
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is, and so we got to be here and we got to be there.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we just feel like we're constantly behind.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't even tell you how many times I have friends that show up to our play dates, and and so it's not like a scheduled meeting.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: We have a time when we play, but it is so ingrained in us this whole concept of time that if they show up like 20 minutes past when the play date started, we're all apologizing.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so sorry I'm late.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what I mean?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's more guilt and shame that we place on each other.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: So so it's fascinating to me.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like just even give us a picture, if you will, because it's just so foreign to me of like, what would what does it look like in these tribes when they have no watches?
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what are they doing during the day?
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a rhythm?
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a flow that they just naturally like?
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: Do they time it to the sun?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you for asking.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: That means a lot to me, as I think.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Back to my experience in Colombia last June.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I was in Colombia, South America with the Aruaco, the Koji, and the Weewa people, and it was amazing how I got there.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was totally serendipitous and a god thing.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, I noticed when I would go down to the beach in the morning, because I like to get the sunrise sun, that inevitably there would be an Aruaco indigenous person or wisdom keeper there before me.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I asked Santi, who was like a guide and interpreter with some of the people that we met, and he said they see the day as like a wave.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so as the sun rises, they're rising too.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then they do what they can to match the energy of the sun.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: So they're the peak is in the middle of the day, and then they start to wind down just as the sun starts to go down.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same thing.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: So you're right, they measure it by the sun, but I would say it's such a natural rhythm because their circadian rhythm is so attuned.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's why they'd be down, like I said, at the beach before me, because they were ready.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: They knew they were ready.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: And the other thing they do, which was very incredible to me, Sina, is they do a lot of thinking on purpose.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I see it as kind of almost intentional prayer on behalf of humanity.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: They don't talk a lot, actually.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: They are very intentional with their words to the point where at one meal, because we were sharing it with some of the indigenous people, they said, Can we just not talk?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because when you're talking and eating at the same time, you're you're swallowing your words.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're taking in your words.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that really resonated with me.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because what you discuss at mealtime matters.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: The other day, I don't remember what bad subject our family was bringing up at meal.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: And one of my daughters said, She's like, Can we talk about something else?
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Yes, because it's not that we're trying to ignore the bad things that are happening in our day or in our world, but by mentioning those as we're eating, it's not healthy.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I used to read the newspaper while I was eating.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: What a bad idea.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now I look back and I'm like, that was so messed up.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say, yes, let's try to align a little bit more with the sun.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the more natural light we get, the easier that is.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: But also let's be intentional with what we take in, knowing that it's all a part of our diet and with what we put out.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that really speaks to a stark contrast in our two cultures.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you think about not only not only how much we speak during the day, but how much information we take in, right?
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm assuming these tribes, they probably don't have computers or smartphones, they're not on social media.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's not this onslaught of news 24-7.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: So they don't have what I'm gonna call like this noise.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it's an it's often a negative noise that's coming in.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have that noise to try to like contend with and digest it, you know.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so how it's just the culture seems to be as we're going through this conversation, even more polar opposite to us than I even realized.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's like in every facet that I can think of right now in our lives, we're doing almost the opposite of what they do.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: So it's so in a way, it's like so which is great in a way, like right, everything's perception.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: So it gives us a lot of opportunity to actually make changes, even like we saw talked about some small changes on a daily basis, to try to bring ourselves back toward a more ancestral way of living.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: So there's lots of opportunity for us, right?
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess the one thing that's coming to mind as you're talking, Siena, is I want to invite people back into their senses.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: So back into what's right in front of you, what you can touch, taste, smell, see, and hear.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, these things are very life-giving.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: Think about how you feel when you see a flower, for example, outside as spring starts to spring, or you see the morning sun rising compared to how you feel when you see an Instagram post.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just it's it's like night and day, you know.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to invite people back into their senses.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so we don't need to leave all of our modern world, but we need to make sure that we use tech and that it doesn't use us.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I have boundaries on my tech use.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not perfect, but I have a little limit on Instagram.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: You can do this within the app itself.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: Say how much time you want to spend on there a day, and it will tell you you have five minutes left.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: So just, you know, that helps me put parameters on it.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: Avoid tech at mealtimes because your children are watching you.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: Make sure you don't make this more important than the person right next to you, especially the little one.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen more than my fair share of children crying for their parents' attention while the kids are while the parents are like this.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it makes me so sad.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then the kid can't wait to get their own device because they want to be lost in this virtual world too.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: So do what you can to come back to your senses.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: Meals that are screen-free.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: When the sun goes down, avoid screens, try to get more natural light.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's so many tips.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: Again, not to make us Luddites or to have us be exactly like these tribes around the world that that would be impossible, but to help us embody more of what this life has to offer us because it's a joyful place to be.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's much better to be in real life than in virtual life.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and even something as simple as the not talking nearly as much.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if I ever told you this, Hilda, but um, I think I may have how I did that one day of not talking, where I was like, I'm just not gonna talk for one whole day.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I had to, you know, prepare it, you know, work around it.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I couldn't be doing podcasts that day, of course.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I had to prepare my family.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not gonna be talking today.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think I did this like a couple years ago, maybe.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I was shocked, Hilda, shocked.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason one reason why the main reason why I did it is because I was feeling very worn out.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: I had allowed myself to become pulled in so many different directions because, you know, like you, I'm this like happy free spirit person, and I really I'm like a go-getter, and all these things sound so exciting to do, and I just want to live, you know, live each day.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: So um I bit off more than I can chew, and um, I felt very overwhelmed.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, okay, I'm gonna take one day to not talk.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: I still do all my other things for my kids to be present with her, but I'm not gonna speak.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I kid you not, it was really, really hard in the beginning, like the first couple hours, frustrating because you know, and I had Trinity must have been like three at the time, right?
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm having young people, she doesn't know what I'm trying to say, whatever.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm I said, no, I'm doing this.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I kid you not instead of having kind of this afternoon slump, which I will get an afternoon slump if I've overwhelmed myself.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't get that when I'm not overwhelmed.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of having the afternoon slump, I got more energy by the afternoon.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: I could literally feel the energy, it was almost like I was recharging, like I was a char rechargeable battery, and I had just plugged into the charger and just not talking recharged it.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's the first time I ever realized just how energetically taxing speaking itself can be.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: So when you mentioned these tribes that they don't talk very much, and then they've asked to not talk over the meal and whatnot, that to me makes perfect sense.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: They have they must have this innate wisdom about it.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: It gave me more opportunity to turn within and to really reflect, to become aware of what I was doing and to make better choices.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I started to speak the next day, I really did choose my words more wisely, you know, and but then I love to talk.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: So then, you know, a couple days later it was back to normal.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: But right.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: But you know what you did?
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: You did a reset, you know, and so I think we can do these anytime.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have to be with talking, but it could be with anything where you're like, gosh, I've been on my device too much lately.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna put it.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: This is what some people do.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: They tether it, for example, to a place in their house, like the old-fashioned phones.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: So they have to go over there if they want to check something, you know, because we don't realize how quickly we turn to it like um, it's almost like a cigarette habit.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's so weird.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that's not talking, but I guess what I'm getting at is you can reset anything.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you're like, gosh, we've been eating really poorly.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna make a big soup tonight, and then that'll last a few days, and that can help us reset our diet.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I love that we don't have to get go away and you know, go to some monastery to practice, you know, the vow of silence.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you could just take it upon yourself.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: Just it starts with awareness.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: You were aware that you were worn down and you needed to make a shift.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm like you, I do love to talk, but I do think it's important to be intentional with our words, especially at mealtime, I would say.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: And just out of curiosity, do these tribes do they eat three times a day?
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, good question.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a big American thing.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: When I was in Ethiopia, it looked like one or two meals a day.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and definitely what they don't do is eat after sundown because light is limited.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, once the sun goes down, it's firelight and and soon to bed.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and then that's why they wake up with the sun.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: But we have these artificial lights that make us think it's midday instead of midnight.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this affects all of us, from the littlest to the oldest.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: This is one reason I'm a big fan of blue blocking glasses.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have mine right now because it is daytime, but I put these on religiously and talk about, you know, standing out.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: I guess this helps me like be my own person because when I was at this big event the other night with Kennedy and Tony Lyons and all these people, you know, I was here wearing my blue blocking glasses, looking super eccentric.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I was like, you know what?
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: This is who I am, and I want to safeguard my sleep.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: It helps me sleep better.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: It um gives me my body and my brain the right light information.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: So the melatonin is produced and released at the right time.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's a phenomenal thing that's often overlooked.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: So the light is huge.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so I like to say the sunshine and sustenance piece really matter.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: So going back to what you're saying, um, people don't uh not only do they not work after dark, but they're not eating after dark either.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: So most of them stop eating earlier.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, our diets are imperfect, so we do the best we can, but I think the timing matters.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then, of course, we also want them to be as nutrient dense as possible.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I like I like to eat food that I get from the farmer's market, like I said, stuff from Farm Match or whatever.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I also I take the birthright supplements.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think I've told you about them.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: I take these every single day because they fill in the gaps and it's just real food.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, do what you can and especially do the best you can within your budget.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, don't shoot on yourself, but try to make the best choices so that you have this kind of smooth, steady energy throughout the day so you can show up for you and your family in the healthiest way possible.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, one of the big shifts that Donnie and I made in our household so that we can show up and not feel so overwhelmed is we did stop the three meals a day.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like once I realized, I was like, I think this is really a Western thing, like you know.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and if I just if when I started listening to my body, my body wasn't even ready to eat.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, well, it's breakfast time, it's time to eat, you know, like most important meal of the day.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, right?
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Following the watch, following the clock.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, too.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, on the clock, exactly.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so we stopped doing that.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we pretty much do two meals a day.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's less cooking, right?
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's so it's less having to think about what we're gonna eat, less meal prep, less cooking time, less cleaning time in the kitchen.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: It really does save you a lot of time um and and effort.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: So talking about like your course is about trying to help people right to feel energized again, right?
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm sure you're also careful.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: We're not trying to shortchange the kids.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like if they're like, I'm hungry, it's like, okay, they're listening to their body.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: If they're hungry, right?
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: But what I made the mistake on was when my kids were little, I jokingly say I gave them a stick diet because it was like pretzel sticks, carrot sticks, fish sticks.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_00: It was like all sticks.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: And they were missing protein and fat.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: They were hungry all the time.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'd give them a snack and they'd want another one and another one.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was kind of plying them with carbs, honestly, Cena.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, here's an apple, here's some pretzel sticks.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: I was on the low fat train.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: But then once I started to give them more protein and fat, they were more satiated and they were able to hang around longer without having to fill their bellies once again.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, notice that in the school system, they go to school, they have a morning snack, they have lunch, they have an afternoon snack.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, and then there's an after-school snack.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's snack, snack, snack.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's because there's not the nutrient density that their little bodies need.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm definitely much hungrier when I'm eating high carbs.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: And my kids have noticed the same thing.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, so that's what we do too.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm doing the two meals, you know, if I'm hungry, but I'm not, I'm not like a litigious person.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a let's listen to the body.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes I wake up and my my body's like, I'm hungry, let's eat.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so then I will eat.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I so it aligns perfectly with what you're saying because I'm not by the clock.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then I don't go the other extreme.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like I know a lot of people that will do the other extreme and be like, well, I gave up breakfast and I intermittent fast 18 hours a day, every day.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, well, that's not healthy either because you're not listening to your own body.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: Now you just prescribe to another man-made construct, you know.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: So let's not go to the extremes, just listen to how your body feels.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I've taught my, I'm teaching my kids actively how to listen to their body.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so they will come up to me and be like, okay, I'm ready to eat.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the way I get around that is I have things already prepared in the fridge.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like we have a day that we prepare food together as you know, as a family.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's in the fridge.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, if I am doing something, let's say Trinity gets hungry and I'm doing a podcast.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, she knows she's not supposed to come into the room if I don't want her to starve.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: So she knows actually at five, she knows she can go into the fridge.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: Here's all these nutrient-dense options that she can pick from.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: So she becomes more independent.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like the girl that you saw, the kid who was, you know, doing the grain.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in the tribe.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how I've worked that into our system because I don't want my kids to um outsource their power to me.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I want them to be like these sovereign beings that they're like, this is what I need, and this is and I know what I need, and this is what I need it, you know.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's critical.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and um, so we as moms can control what's available in our homes, right?
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: So you make the effort instead of why to make sure the food is most nutrient-dense possible.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: Does this mean the kid won't be, you know, exposed to talkies at a soccer match or, you know, given a birthday cake or cupcake at some party?
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so what's interesting is, you know, moms have to kind of navigate that line.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_00: But if you let them try those foods, which is fine, I think they will see how they make them feel if you help them to be aware and realize, wow, that's not really satisfying.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: It tastes good, but how do I feel an hour, two hours later?
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: Am I hungry again?
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: Likely so.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_00: Does my stomach hurt?
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, you know, so they're gonna start to notice these things and make better choices.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'll never forget when I started getting really wonderful ground beef, sometimes even with the organ meats mixed in from the local farm.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my kids, I'd make burgers, I'd make all these things with all the meat.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: They loved it.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then afterwards, they'd go, you know, out with some friends, or another day, they would go out with friends and be like, mom, the hamburgers out there tasted like dog food.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, they figured out the difference because they had eaten so much of the good stuff they could totally tell the fake stuff, you know?
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: So that made me really happy.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was a big win for me as a mom that day.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's fantastic.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I think a lot of that is modeling it, right?
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like what the tribes were saying, could we not talk?
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, one thing that uh while you're eating, one thing that helps you do is to really pay attention to how your body's responding to the food.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: But a lot of us are on the go so much, you know, we're just trying to get some sustenance in our bodies as we're running the kids from here to there that we often don't even think about how the food's affecting us.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: So that's one thing we could practice too in ourselves is you know, eat the foods, pay attention to how it feels in your body, talk about it.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: So my kids and I, for years now, uh, we did what we call the taste test.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so we would practice this when I was teaching them mindfulness, and we would get one little piece of food, like one grape, for example.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: And first you look at it and you analyze it, and you put you roll your finger around it, you're trying to text your like tactile to see the texture and stuff, and you're saying verbally out loud what you're seeing.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it's also like a scientist, right?
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: The first step is observation, and then you put it in your mouth and you don't chew it yet.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: You hold it in your mouth, and then you pay attention.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: Am I having saliva form?
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like what's happening in the mouth, you know?
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then you take that first bite and really slow, and you you describe what's happening and taste it.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, I will talk them through it.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's an exercise I talk them through.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: Now tell me, you know, what are you tasting?
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: Can you smell it?
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, is there juice running out of it?
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, things like that.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then they take and then you chew it and chew it, and until you get into a like a slushie, which most of us don't do that with our food, right?
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're just gonna go boom because we're such in a hurry.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so they notice that the food actually started to taste different as you're chewing it, the the flavor profile changes, which they had never noticed before.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then you swallow it.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so you could do that with all the different kinds of foods and different foods, like a store-bought meat versus a farm meat, and just have them taste the difference, you know.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: But even just that simple act of let's just slow down, let's not talk, let's really just over this meal, you know, pray, pray, you know, say what we're grateful for.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then let's just really pay attention to each bite that we're consuming.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: And even if you did that like one time, yeah, it brings a different awareness to the entire family, I think.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's so beautiful.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: You're teaching your kids so many beautiful things.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: And like you said, also, and we've implied this whole time, more is caught than taught.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: So they're gonna see what you're doing and be curious about it and probably want to join in.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why is it taking you so long to eat that grape mom?
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you'd be like, what's wrong with you?
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm doing the thing, I'm doing the thing, I'm observing.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's gorgeous.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, okay, now, and I um I know I've utilized uh almost an hour of your time.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I am curious.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say there's that busy, overwhelm, overworked, overwhelmed, underappreciated mother or father who's listening to this right now.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_01: What would you tell her?
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like if there if she has the strength to maybe do one thing and she wants more energy, she's got the strength to maybe incorporate one thing, what would you suggest she do?
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, first of all, I'll just say I've been there.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: When I had four kids in five years, and I felt like everybody wanted a piece of me.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_00: I've also been down to my my last ounce of energy, so I feel you.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm torn between two things.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: So one is getting the morning sunlight has really been a revolutionary thing for me.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I've talked to Dr.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: Jack Cruz, Thaddeus Owen, um, Louie, I mean Dewey Lehman.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've talked to a lot of experts on it, and I've also seen the practice around the world that people get up with the sun.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I find that if you want to improve your metabolism, your mood, your energy, your hormonal health, and your sleep, get the morning sun, get outside within 30 minutes of sunrise.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: But also, I would say, in tandem with that, do things that make your soul shine.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's easy to kind of lose yourself in motherhood and feel like, where who am I even?
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like, was I did I go to school for this?
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_00: My mom used to say to me, Why'd you go to university when you're just home with your kids, you know?
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Well, I think I'm pouring into them in a beautiful way.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I actually wonder why I went to university, but that's another story altogether.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it was shame.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_00: What a situation.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, but the idea is you have to do something that lifts your heart because what good is it to have the best food on the table?
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the most sunlight possible, you know, uh every every physical need met if your spirit is downcast and anxious, right?
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I do is I definitely start my day with gratitude.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: I have my prayer practice and things, but whether it's embroidery, music, like you need to definitely do something that brings you a smile to your face, I would say, because that really makes a difference in your energy, in your frequency, and what you're putting out to your family.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's not just about the physical, it is about the emotional and spiritual too.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: So do something that makes your soul shine for sure.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like play.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: We forget how to play when we get older, you know.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a good great advice to keep everybody playing.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so Hilda, tell us what's your website?
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: Where can we find your information?
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: You talked about this new book and program.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: When's that gonna be out and where can we get it?
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_00: Great, awesome.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_00: So people can find me at holistichilda.com.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_00: The course has a waiting list right now, but I hope it will come out soon, definitely by the spring.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I have a book that I'm working on as well.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm revamping it, so it really is authentically me, and it's gonna offer practical tips, especially for mom.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, my hope is really to, like I said, encourage the mom who's stretched down to her last ounce of energy and and ready for a shift.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: And my favorite thing, as you probably know, Sina, is to invite people to make those micro changes, like you said earlier in this podcast.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_00: I call them like definitely like baby steps, one small step at a time.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like incorporate one habit, and the next thing you know, you can start stacking your habits until it's a lifestyle.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it will help you invest in generational health for your family that's much more long-lasting than generational wealth.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so holistichilda.com, I'm holistichilda on Instagram.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the host and producer of the Wise Traditions podcast.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: People can find that on any platform.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I've got a HolisticHilda YouTube channel as well.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is it called Holistic Hilda on YouTube?
• 1:06:11
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, fantastic.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_01: Hilda, this has been such a joy for me.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: This was my play for the day.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I can check that box.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: I know, but you know, you know, you're one of my favorite people of all time.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: I love you dearly.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for coming on with me.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll put all the links in the show notes so everybody else out there can connect with you too and you know, tap into your positivity and your authenticity.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you, Hilda.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love you, Sina.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, everyone.