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The Week That Was – 27th January 2023 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It is time for the first week that was for
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And joining me in the studio is
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Speaker 1: the Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley. Good morning, Good morning.
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Speaker 2: Katie, Good morning listeners, and welcome back.
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Speaker 1: We've got nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola. Good morning to you,
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Speaker 1: Kathleen morning. I'm glad that humidity after all that hot
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Speaker 1: desert air. Oh yes, it would have been warm in
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Speaker 1: Alice in more ways. Yes, We've also got Kesier Puick,
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Speaker 1: the Independent member for goingder Good morning, Kezer, morning, Katie,
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Speaker 1: Morning Bush people. And we have got the Minister for
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Speaker 1: Police and also territory Families and various other portfolios. Kate
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Speaker 1: Ward and good morning to u K.
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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and Derek and I say, what a
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Speaker 3: great day yesterday was lots of different celebrations in lots
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Speaker 3: of different ways, and lots of reflection. So hopefully everybody's
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Speaker 3: fresh from that too.
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Speaker 1: Jan I do want to just say on that note
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Speaker 1: of very big congratulations to all the awards recipients, everybody,
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Speaker 1: all the people who've received their honors as well for
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Speaker 1: Australia Day, some very worthy and wonderful time territorians recognized
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Speaker 1: and it's always fantastic to see what's that. Colleagues, Well,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it, because unfortunately it hasn't all been
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Speaker 1: rosy this week. We know the issue of crimes being
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Speaker 1: catapulted into the national spotlight over the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: But while the rest of the nation is surprised after
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Speaker 1: hearing the local issues that people are grappling with in
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Speaker 1: the Red Center, we here in the Northern Territory have
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Speaker 1: become accustomed to some of those terrible issues of crime,
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Speaker 1: not only in Alis but right across the Northern Territory.
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Speaker 1: We know the Prime Minister Anthony Albanez, he flew into
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Speaker 1: Alice to speak to locals about the issues. He was joined,
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Speaker 1: of course by the Chief Minister and plenty of others
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Speaker 1: at that press conference where they announced on Monday, sorry
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Speaker 1: they announced it. On Mondays and Tuesdays there will be
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Speaker 1: takeaway alcohol free days in Alice Springs. There'll also be
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Speaker 1: alcohol reduced hours on the remaining days from three pm
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Speaker 1: until seven pm only for takeaway alcohol. The government's also
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Speaker 1: going to introduce one transaction per person each day, doing
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Speaker 1: so immediately through the Band Drinkers Register. Now, these restrictions
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Speaker 1: on the purchase of alcohol. Well, they're in place for
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Speaker 1: three months. They took effect pretty well immediately. Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 1: says that the federal and Northern Territory governments are going
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Speaker 1: to consider implementing community wide opt out alcohol bands, with
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Speaker 1: a newly appointed Regional Controller, Darrell Anderson, to advise the
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Speaker 1: governments on the situation in Alice Springs in a few
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Speaker 1: days time. Now, you would have to say that the
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Speaker 1: reaction has been mixed, is the only way of putting it.
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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people saying, look, alcohol is
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Speaker 1: not the only issue here. There are plenty of other
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Speaker 1: factors at play, and I think that that is a
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Speaker 1: very real assessment. The other concern from a lot of
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Speaker 1: locals is that it is going to see an increase
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Speaker 1: in crime on those days where you're not actually able
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Speaker 1: to access alcohol. Now, now I know that both Kate Gordon,
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Speaker 1: the minister, and also you, Kathleen, have just come back
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Speaker 1: from Alice Springs. Your perspective, Cat Lane, You've spent a
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Speaker 1: lot of time in Ella Springs. What was it like
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Speaker 1: for you going there after not being there for a while.
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Speaker 1: Is the town boarded up and what's going on?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? Board it up is a good description to it,
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Speaker 4: that's for sure.
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Speaker 5: I hadn't been there since before the pandemic, and it
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Speaker 5: was sad.
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Speaker 4: It was definitely sad.
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Speaker 5: You walk down the todd and there's shutter doors on
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Speaker 5: every premise. There's probably only a handful of businesses, three
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Speaker 5: maybe four if a further down you go and yed
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Speaker 5: boarded up places, places that you'd seen there for so long,
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Speaker 5: all over the town, not just right in the center,
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Speaker 5: but like those business places with the lease signs, crashed
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Speaker 5: windows in places that were obviously abandoned. Yeah, it's definitely
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Speaker 5: a depressing site, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: I know we spoke to a number of businesses throughout
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Speaker 1: the week. You've obviously spoken to businesses, Kate, You've been
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Speaker 1: down there now on numerous occasions. I mean, it's pretty
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Speaker 1: embarrassing for the Northern Territory government to be in a
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Speaker 1: situation where the Prime ministers had to fly in. The
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Speaker 1: Chief Minister has been saying, you know that the Stronger
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Speaker 1: Futures legislation was a race based policy and that you
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Speaker 1: know what she was doing was right, and then within
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Speaker 1: an hour of meeting with the Prime Minister, essentially you
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Speaker 1: know she's out having to announce these restrictions and saying
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Speaker 1: that they're going to have to review it within the week.
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Speaker 6: Well, Katie, are you are right?
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Speaker 3: I've been I went down thirteen times last year, spent
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Speaker 3: over a month in Alice Springs, and that was one
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Speaker 3: of my that's my commitment, and I've kept going with that,
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Speaker 3: and I've already been down a couple of times this year.
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Speaker 3: And you would have noticed that the week before I
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Speaker 3: went down. It's certainly not within I'm not the Minister
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Speaker 3: for alcohol policy, but I have to listen to my police,
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Speaker 3: and I listened to the you know, the families and
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Speaker 3: territory families and all of the people in my organizations,
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Speaker 3: and we had been saying late last year you could
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Speaker 3: see the real spike that was coming. But I also
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Speaker 3: say that over Christmas there was a perfect storm in Alice.
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Speaker 3: And you know, Martin Dole, who's the head of our
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Speaker 3: police down there, has said this as well.
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Speaker 6: Very clearly.
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Speaker 3: We had eleven communities cut off when they had come
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Speaker 3: into town. They were living rough. The conditions that people
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Speaker 3: were living in weren't ideal and it had really really
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Speaker 3: escalated and we did see that spike and alcohol and
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Speaker 3: that's why I did go down the week before and
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Speaker 3: talk to retailers, and I think you can spin all
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Speaker 3: those things as a lot of different ways.
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Speaker 6: But the reason I went down.
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Speaker 3: To talk to the retailer is because they're on the
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Speaker 3: front line and they get to see secondary supply.
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Speaker 6: Was there ways that we could walk.
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Speaker 3: Together, you know, together work together to see a better outcome.
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Speaker 6: I had police with me when we met.
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Speaker 3: You know, we've done some things, and so to be
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Speaker 3: honest with you, when I think when you look at
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Speaker 3: it and unpack it, all the things and territory, families
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Speaker 3: and police that we see, it's around. It is around
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Speaker 3: that real dysfunction. It's around poverty and all those things.
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Speaker 3: And so the federal government being there was that is
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Speaker 3: the right thing, because we can't fix that alone. The
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Speaker 3: territory is enormous, and everybody acknowledges that, whether you're in
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Speaker 3: government or outside of government, we've got remote places that
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Speaker 3: are dysfunctional. We see, you know, the flare ups at
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Speaker 3: what we see that. I think more and more people
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Speaker 3: are sort of saying, you know, there's not enough going
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Speaker 3: on in remote communities. And that's not just the government,
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Speaker 3: that's all of us. That's local governments, and I am
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Speaker 3: absolutely sick of going to remote communities and meeting with
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Speaker 3: organizations and it's all non Indigenous people in those roles.
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Speaker 3: That stuff has to fix and that takes every level
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Speaker 3: of government.
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Speaker 6: So you know what, Olbow come in to town, federal
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Speaker 6: people speaking up, you know, entourage or not.
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Speaker 3: I don't have one, but all around that, but I
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Speaker 3: think it's really important that all of levels of government
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Speaker 3: were there speaking and acknowledging that we can't just fix
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Speaker 3: it ourselves. The territory is just not a big you know,
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Speaker 3: we don't have that big own source revenue, and it's
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Speaker 3: a lot bigger that It's been.
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Speaker 6: Coming for a very long time.
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Speaker 3: I've said on this show before, it's been coming for
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Speaker 3: forty years. And you know, Alice Springs had that perfect
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Speaker 3: set of circumstances over the Christmas time which brought it
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Speaker 3: all to a head and so be it.
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Speaker 6: We're going to get a.
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Speaker 3: Great outcome from it, and was you know, some real
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Speaker 3: positive steps forward.
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Speaker 1: And I mean we've got a situation though now where
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Speaker 1: the federal labor and Pete Marian screen daw has warned
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government that the Commonwealth will intervene if
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Speaker 1: you can't get the social issues under control in Alice Springs.
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Speaker 1: So you've literally it seems as though you've got a
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Speaker 1: divide within your own party at this point in time,
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Speaker 1: where you know you've got Marian who's living in Alice Springs,
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Speaker 1: who obviously is representing the people of Linkiari saying that
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Speaker 1: it's you know that something needs to happen really quickly.
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Speaker 1: I take on board what you're saying that you have
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Speaker 1: been working, and I will say that comparatively to the
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Speaker 1: former police minister who is still part of your party.
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Speaker 1: I know you've been down there a heck of a
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Speaker 1: lot more than what she has, as has the Chief Minister.
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Speaker 1: But right now we are not seeing the results, and
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Speaker 1: the people of Alice Springs, they are beyond crying out
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Speaker 1: for help. They are broken.
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Speaker 3: So Katie, can I say alcohol? Solving the alcohol stuff.
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Speaker 6: And making a change in that space is not the end?
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Speaker 6: You know that is not.
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Speaker 3: It feels like it's simply I get that, and some
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Speaker 3: of that is the way that it comes out of
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Speaker 3: the hand Matt Cat and you know that. But essentially,
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Speaker 3: if we can get a stop and this is what
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Speaker 3: police tell me, if they're not being called out this
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Speaker 3: is the simplest thing. We've gone from eight with this
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Speaker 3: over the Christmas time period, we've eight callouts on town
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Speaker 3: camps for a DV a night. Unacceptable, but to over twenty.
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Speaker 3: If we strip that back to eight and we've got
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Speaker 3: police resources then available to do other things. It takes
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Speaker 3: a police officer four to six hours to deal with
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Speaker 3: the DV incident, and they are predominantly dealing with the
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Speaker 3: victim or sorry, the perpetrator, so the victim gets lost.
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Speaker 3: So we're looking at programs around, wrapping around so that
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Speaker 3: police go out and there's a victim advocate, they're working
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Speaker 3: side by side. You have to rip back the alcohol overlay.
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Speaker 3: And to be honest, it's massive. Analyis there is an
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Speaker 3: anomaly analysis that does not happen anywhere else. People line
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Speaker 3: up from nine o'clock in the morning, they go in
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Speaker 3: on premise, at ten, they get a skinful. By two,
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Speaker 3: they go across to Bath Street and then they get takeaway.
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Speaker 1: So then they go to b if the master case.
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Speaker 1: Why on earth did the Northern Territory government and the
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Speaker 1: federal government let this strongest few stick for fifteen years?
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Speaker 7: Some idea, this is ultimately a really some egg on
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Speaker 7: the government's face. They must be extremely embarrassed about this.
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Speaker 7: In Kate, really, you need to resign, There's no question
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Speaker 7: about that. Ultimately, the buck stops with you. This government's
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Speaker 7: been in power for six years and the problems is
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Speaker 7: getting worse and worse since these stronger futures. Like cath
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Speaker 7: was saying it was coming, it was fifteen years. We
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Speaker 7: knew that was going to happen, and this government's got
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Speaker 7: it wrong. They need to admit they got it wrong
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Speaker 7: and do the opt in opt out or we're saying
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Speaker 7: opt out because these people out there have alcohol. The
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Speaker 7: whole town of Alice Springs are hurting. Alcohol is the problem.
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Speaker 7: There's no question about that. And all the stats shows
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Speaker 7: since July, ask you've been getting worse and worse and okay,
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Speaker 7: just spoke about just December. Well, unfortunately that's what this
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Speaker 7: government do. They talk, talk, talk, no action to the
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Speaker 7: people of Alice Springs are hurting, and ultimately it's the
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Speaker 7: buck stopped of the government and it must be embarrassing
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Speaker 7: for the federal government to come in and the Senator
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Speaker 7: not sorry, the Member for Lingari to come in and
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Speaker 7: say enough enough, fix it all.
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Speaker 2: We're going to fix it for you.
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Speaker 1: Kay, do you want to see this Do you want
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Speaker 1: to see this legislation go back to or do you
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Speaker 1: want to see the restrictions go back to the opt
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Speaker 1: out situation rather than the optic.
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Speaker 3: I think if I talk to police, they'll talk about
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Speaker 3: this has been gradually getting worse than Olie Springs for
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Speaker 3: about five years. But we have agreed, and I've agreed
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Speaker 3: with them, and I have put that forward. And that's
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Speaker 3: some of the work that I was doing around alcohol,
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Speaker 3: which is obviously not my portfolio. You know, a week
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Speaker 3: before last there are significant issues around alcohol in Ourae Springs.
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Speaker 3: We've had we have had communities opt in. Do you
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Speaker 3: know what I have to tell you. We have to
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Speaker 3: stop telling Aboriginal people what to do because this is
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Speaker 3: where you get. But I do agree that we need
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Speaker 3: a better system than we've got and if opt out
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Speaker 3: is what people want, and we're going to go out
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Speaker 3: and ask them. Durell's got a very big amount of
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Speaker 3: work to do before February one. It's a very short
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Speaker 3: time frame. She's going to be doing that very quick consultation.
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Speaker 3: We have seen other communities. Elliott is no longer dry.
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Speaker 3: We don't see this in Elliott. We see other places,
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Speaker 3: it's just specifically those communities around So overall, I think
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Speaker 3: people Aboriginal people across the territory actually saying, well, we're
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Speaker 3: not we're not unhappy. We've got a choice, and we've
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Speaker 3: made a choice. Some of them have made that choice.
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Speaker 6: But if that's the better.
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Speaker 3: Solution for our springs, I have to tell you, I
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Speaker 3: don't care. You can call it egg on your face,
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Speaker 3: you can call it whatever you like. If we have
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Speaker 3: to change our decision because the circumstances are this, I'm
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Speaker 3: happy to do so. And I'm happy to say that
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Speaker 3: perhaps around other springs we should have looked at it
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Speaker 3: in a different way.
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Speaker 5: But was worn that this could have been prevented the Congress,
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Speaker 5: So the federal government Congress at the time written to
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Speaker 5: the government and predicted that this would happen.
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Speaker 3: But if it ended you use that word predicted, and
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Speaker 3: they did predict it, possibly, why has it not happened
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Speaker 3: in other places? Why in those town camps? Only around
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Speaker 3: other springs? You know what, we've got as much.
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Speaker 6: Grog ajuice from out remote.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not just you, sund Like you're quite you
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Speaker 8: know that you are quite open to.
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Speaker 1: This to this decision being reversed is the right thing for.
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Speaker 3: Thing to do. But I tell you people are not
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Speaker 3: just drinking on town camps. And under stronger futures, people
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Speaker 3: always drunk on town camps.
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Speaker 6: They were never.
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Speaker 1: Deny that it's gotten worse. You cannot know that things
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Speaker 1: are worse in Olie.
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Speaker 3: And last week I went down there and flagged it
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Speaker 3: with the retailers.
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Speaker 6: Can you help us? I think we've got a problem with.
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Speaker 1: Can I just us? Because like I say, it sounds
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Speaker 1: as though you're very open to the idea. It sounds
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Speaker 1: so you know you're prepared to do what needs to
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Speaker 1: happen here, even if it is a backflip that it
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Speaker 1: needs to happen, if it's the best thing for Olie Springs. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: But why then have we got the Chief Minister and
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Speaker 1: Chancey Pake the Attorney General saying that we need to
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Speaker 1: go out to a ballot.
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Speaker 6: Because that's.
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Speaker 3: Me Let me just there have been there have been
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Speaker 3: people on town camps that I've obviously decided that they
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Speaker 3: want to drink, and the voices of those people that
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Speaker 3: don't perhaps are being overrun. If you have a balert,
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Speaker 3: there is some ability for people to have a secret
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Speaker 3: vote rather than go up against leadership. I think across
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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory we need to speak more and engage
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Speaker 3: more with Aboriginal people about the solutions that they want
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Speaker 3: to see.
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Speaker 1: So might just engage with people I've got indigenous You
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Speaker 1: have got Indigenous leaders saying that they want the stronger
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Speaker 1: futures back in place. They had said that that they
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Speaker 1: want the opt out government that I know, I get that.
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Speaker 1: But you've literally got Marian Scrimdaw. I know that, you know,
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Speaker 1: I know that she's on the other side, but obviously
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Speaker 1: just enter price on the other side with the COLP.
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Speaker 1: You've also got the senator, Senator Little in South Australia
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Speaker 1: and other Indigenous women. You've got three strong Indigenous women
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Speaker 1: who are saying we have to look after our children.
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Speaker 1: And Congress yep, that's exactly right. You've got Donna Archie,
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Speaker 1: You've got John Patterson from amsand had said it six
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Speaker 1: months ago. I mean, You've got you've got people saying
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Speaker 1: right now that this is what needs to happen. So
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Speaker 1: why why aren't you well listening to that?
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Speaker 3: Can I just add will I think that women will
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Speaker 3: put their hands up and speak very if they get
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Speaker 3: an opportunity to do that quietly through a ballot. I
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Speaker 3: actually think really strong women and women that are being
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Speaker 3: overtrodden at the moment will come forward and say, hey,
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Speaker 3: we want this dry, and that's their choice. I think
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Speaker 3: that's a process that we need to put in place.
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Speaker 3: We did ask the federal government to do this process
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Speaker 3: six months ago. That didn't happen, and so now that
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Speaker 3: process needs to be done, and it needs to be
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Speaker 3: done quickly with.
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Speaker 1: The with the utmost respect, though, can I just say,
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Speaker 1: with the utmost respect, we we vote for politicians to
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Speaker 1: make tough decisions for us, and they have to be
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Speaker 1: tough decisions, and this is a bloody tough decision. But
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Speaker 1: we vote for politicians to do that. That is the
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Speaker 1: reason that you are in your roles. Sometimes it's really
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Speaker 1: hard to make those decisions, but they've got to be
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Speaker 1: he made for the whole community, correct.
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Speaker 5: But Katie, so then why put the idea of a
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Speaker 5: ballot forward? I mean, that's that's what Katie is getting at.
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Speaker 5: That is almost skirking responsibility that you're elected to do
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Speaker 5: is make that decision. You know who the leaders are
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Speaker 5: in the community, and you know you're not going to
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Speaker 5: make everyone happy. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 5: you know who's appointed by whoever to be those leaders,
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Speaker 5: that's who.
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Speaker 4: They're meant to be doing a better lovement. You make
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Speaker 4: that decision.
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Speaker 9: Katie just got a couple of things. I pick up
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Speaker 9: on what Jared said very early in the piece. I
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Speaker 9: think it is a big shame job for the Northern
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Speaker 9: Territory for the prime minister to blow in and then
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Speaker 9: blow out. Of course, yeah, the Anti government, Yeah, and
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Speaker 9: he blew out. He would have had to have been invited.
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Speaker 9: From a convention point of view. Prime minister just can't
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Speaker 9: lob into a state or territory to do what he
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Speaker 9: had to do. And I don't know why if he's
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Speaker 9: splashed around all the money he's splashed around, why couldn't
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Speaker 9: there been some kind of agreement of negotiation discussions between
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Speaker 9: the Anti government and the Communce government to say, look,
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Speaker 9: we understand you've got these issues in these communities.
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Speaker 1: Here's the money.
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Speaker 9: This is how we think you should spend it.
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Speaker 6: The experts we've done that.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, So that's the first thing I think. So I
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Speaker 9: think from the government's perspective, it's we have been embarrassed
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Speaker 9: on the national stage, if not the international stage. I
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Speaker 9: think I saw a list we're about Alice Springs. I
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Speaker 9: think it's in the top and ten seventeenth in the
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Speaker 9: most violent places in the world. The other thing about
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Speaker 9: I think that I think Chancey Paik in the Parliament
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Speaker 9: sometime last year got up and said, no, we're not
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Speaker 9: bringing this stronger Future things back in because it's racist.
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Speaker 9: So you're saying it's race based policy, and yet within
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Speaker 9: the school system you have special measures to allow Aboriginal
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Speaker 9: people to get favoritism to get them into jobs. So
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Speaker 9: you can't have this bloody race based policy here and
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Speaker 9: not have it over there.
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Speaker 1: That's what point touched on, I think as well, even
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Speaker 1: by Donna Archie earlier in the week from Aboriginal from
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Speaker 1: Central Australian Congress, and I can't remember exactly what, you know,
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Speaker 1: the words that.
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Speaker 4: She had excrimination called it.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very much. Note I very much note that
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Speaker 1: none of us are Indigenous on this panel today, So
17:06
Speaker 1: you know, I take that on board and I'm not
17:08
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, speaking for Indigenous people or
17:11
Speaker 1: trying to in any way, shape or form. But what
17:14
Speaker 1: I want to point out here is that we are
17:16
Speaker 1: not talking about race. We're talking about behavior, and the
17:20
Speaker 1: behavior that.
17:20
Speaker 5: We're talking about now is and Skrimjaw has said it
17:23
Speaker 5: becomes race based if in action has taken absolutely cat.
17:28
Speaker 6: Cat and that is something that weighs on my conscience
17:30
Speaker 6: as well.
17:31
Speaker 1: And you need but you, I.
17:32
Speaker 3: Think to your point though easier where you talk about
17:35
Speaker 3: positive discrimination. That's about getting people into roles that they
17:38
Speaker 3: can actually make decisions in a better place. Perhaps they're
17:42
Speaker 3: working predominantly for Aboriginal people and that's the right thing
17:44
Speaker 3: to do. This is about taking away people's decision making completely,
17:49
Speaker 3: and we've seen enough of that in our history of Australia.
17:52
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that we've got everything perfect, but what
17:54
Speaker 3: I am saying is that self determination of Aboriginal people
17:57
Speaker 3: was taken away under the intervention. You can't don't even
18:00
Speaker 3: use the word intervention anymore. It just sends horror stories
18:03
Speaker 3: down through people. You know, the mentioned last week about
18:06
Speaker 3: bringing in the ADF and things like people just go
18:09
Speaker 3: to ground. People are terrified, they don't want to repeat
18:11
Speaker 3: of that. What they want to see, and you'll see
18:13
Speaker 3: it through our local decision making, is that they want
18:16
Speaker 3: to make their own decisions about their own future.
18:17
Speaker 6: And where they're headed now.
18:19
Speaker 3: They obviously have to have some overlay about what, you know,
18:21
Speaker 3: what's happening, But at the moment, you know, that was
18:24
Speaker 3: the whole intention around stronger futures. It was a race
18:28
Speaker 3: based policy. It was a federal government policy, and they
18:30
Speaker 3: chose to let it lapse. We then chose not to
18:33
Speaker 3: enforce another race based policy on people. Now did we
18:35
Speaker 3: get at one hundred percent right? Do we need to
18:37
Speaker 3: relook at it? Absolutely? And I'm very open as you say, Katie,
18:41
Speaker 3: I'm very open to that. That is why I've been
18:44
Speaker 3: having those conversations down in other springs, and we do
18:47
Speaker 3: need There is too much grog in other springs. It
18:49
Speaker 3: flows too easily. There's a lot of black market supply
18:53
Speaker 3: that the police are constantly having to chase that. And
18:56
Speaker 3: I have to tell you can I put on the
18:57
Speaker 3: record that the retailers and other springs are really willing
19:00
Speaker 3: to be.
19:00
Speaker 6: Part of the solution.
19:01
Speaker 3: And I was so pleased about their positivity in terms
19:05
Speaker 3: of where we can all go together because they see
19:07
Speaker 3: this problem too. They don't want to be the problem.
19:10
Speaker 3: They want to help us with solutions. So I think
19:12
Speaker 3: there's some really good things that have come out of that.
19:14
Speaker 3: And to your second point, Kisier, we are in very
19:17
Speaker 3: quick discussions with the federal government about making sure we
19:20
Speaker 3: can fund some of those things in remote that have
19:23
Speaker 3: been missing for so long, get back that Homeland's funding,
19:26
Speaker 3: make sure that there's enough for kids to do, and
19:28
Speaker 3: we fund a lot of that stuff.
19:30
Speaker 6: We just don't have the capacity to the degree that
19:32
Speaker 6: we need it.
19:32
Speaker 1: We are going to just take a very short break.
19:34
Speaker 1: We are going to come back and continue this discussion,
19:36
Speaker 1: but we do need to pay the bills. Serra or
19:38
Speaker 1: Mix one oh four nine. You are listening to the
19:40
Speaker 1: week that was. You are listening to the week that
19:43
Speaker 1: was right here on Mix one oh four nine, brought
19:45
Speaker 1: to you by Darwin Masda Berrima. And we know that
19:48
Speaker 1: throughout the discussions that we've had not only this week,
19:51
Speaker 1: but over recent weeks and months when it comes to
19:53
Speaker 1: the serious issues not only in Alice Springs but right
19:56
Speaker 1: across the Northern Territory, that while we have seen the
19:59
Speaker 1: announcement around alcohol restrictions, let's not be around the bush here.
20:03
Speaker 1: Alcohol is not the only issue that we've got right now.
20:06
Speaker 1: And we've spoken a lot about this over the last
20:09
Speaker 1: two years. Old well that's exactly right. We've obviously got
20:13
Speaker 1: the alcohol concerns around the territory and Alice Springs the
20:15
Speaker 1: forefront at the moment. But the issues with youth crime,
20:18
Speaker 1: and they've been issues that we've been speaking about for
20:21
Speaker 1: an awful long time, but they're getting more and more brazen,
20:24
Speaker 1: and more and more blanket.
20:28
Speaker 7: It just seems to be because this is another failure
20:30
Speaker 7: of the labor government. You know, crime be getting worse.
20:32
Speaker 7: I know that they're sending the message out to these
20:35
Speaker 7: criminals that it's okay. You know, they're raising the age
20:37
Speaker 7: of criminal responsibility, getting in the mandatory sentencing. So what
20:40
Speaker 7: is that that's the message that these governments sending out
20:42
Speaker 7: to these criminals. It's okay, I know there's to be
20:45
Speaker 7: no consequences. They know they are to get in trouble,
20:47
Speaker 7: so they go in and do what they want, and
20:48
Speaker 7: the crime is getting more violent.
20:50
Speaker 2: That's the problem. They're getting.
20:52
Speaker 9: What needs to be what needs to be looked at
20:54
Speaker 9: in the whole picture of looking at all the issues
20:57
Speaker 9: is and we see many stories on TV as well
20:59
Speaker 9: as in the news of young these people having machetes
21:04
Speaker 9: and those kind of influence. Now there's only a couple
21:06
Speaker 9: of places in Dawn. I can't speak for us that
21:08
Speaker 9: you can buy a.
21:08
Speaker 1: Machete, but they're being stolen.
21:13
Speaker 9: From those poor people out at nine miles Mitchells.
21:16
Speaker 1: And making did you say, making them too.
21:19
Speaker 9: It's not hard gets described as you know, and they
21:22
Speaker 9: put a webinar. But there should be there should be
21:24
Speaker 9: some I mean, the people who sell you know, bow
21:27
Speaker 9: and arrows and all that sort of stuff have very
21:28
Speaker 9: good security on their businesses. But some of the other
21:31
Speaker 9: places that sell these kind of impluments they should also
21:34
Speaker 9: be spoken to in regards to like, you know, should
21:36
Speaker 9: they perhaps be put in a more protective area like
21:38
Speaker 9: methods behind the counternow and spray cans are in lock
21:41
Speaker 9: bloody cabinets. We should be looking at everything, not just
21:44
Speaker 9: getting the.
21:44
Speaker 7: Kids off the street, or we should be looking at
21:46
Speaker 7: the actual offenders and making them, you know, do the time.
21:50
Speaker 2: The whole community.
21:51
Speaker 9: Well sometimes, as we know, a lot of these young
21:53
Speaker 9: people across the territory committing these kinds of crimes.
21:57
Speaker 6: I'd say ninety percent affected by Fazdi. That's my bit,
22:00
Speaker 6: you know.
22:01
Speaker 9: So they've got they've got capacity issues and mental understanding issues,
22:05
Speaker 9: they've got lack of lots of consequence. They don't understand consequences.
22:08
Speaker 9: That's not to say they shouldn't be spoken to and
22:11
Speaker 9: dealt with if they've committed a serious crime. But I
22:14
Speaker 9: think there's more to it than just the alcohol. That's
22:16
Speaker 9: part of the big picture, and that's a big problem
22:17
Speaker 9: in white society, to not just Aboriginal societies. So the
22:21
Speaker 9: government's got a big job. And I think the fact
22:23
Speaker 9: that marine scrimdaws come out and said well, if you
22:26
Speaker 9: don't fix it, will come in.
22:27
Speaker 2: I mean I don't like that, you know.
22:29
Speaker 1: Because do you know what can there be a lot
22:31
Speaker 1: of territory and who think to themselves, we don't mind if.
22:35
Speaker 7: Things get the Ryal review come out, so you should
22:40
Speaker 7: be our come management plan before the Stronger Futures finished,
22:42
Speaker 7: there was like that's three years of warning and yet
22:44
Speaker 7: what happened nothing.
22:47
Speaker 6: Talking about management plans that sat on.
22:50
Speaker 2: The governments, the previous.
22:58
Speaker 6: Plans where the federal government they talk.
23:01
Speaker 1: You know what at this point in time, you know,
23:07
Speaker 1: we hear very often that there are youth issues in
23:10
Speaker 1: other states and other territories as well. We know we've
23:13
Speaker 1: we've seen ourselves in some parts of w A, in
23:16
Speaker 1: some parts of fun North Queensland. I know that Mount
23:19
Speaker 1: iSER a little bit earlier this week had to surge
23:21
Speaker 1: additional police into the town after they'd had thirty vehicles stolen.
23:26
Speaker 1: But I've got to tell you I've come back from
23:28
Speaker 1: Queensland and there was a lot of talk about how
23:30
Speaker 1: bad the crime is in Queensland, and it is in
23:33
Speaker 1: no way even close to what we see around the
23:38
Speaker 1: northern territory at the moment, you know, I was. I
23:41
Speaker 1: went to wool works with my children at four o'clock
23:43
Speaker 1: in the afternoon a couple of weeks back. We walked
23:46
Speaker 1: across the road. The kids said to me, oh, mum,
23:49
Speaker 1: those kids look like they're going to do something bad.
23:51
Speaker 1: Next thing, they're pegging rocks at the windows at chemist warehouse.
23:56
Speaker 1: The security guy comes out, they're peggan rocks at him.
23:59
Speaker 1: They're then pegging rocks people that are in there, you know,
24:02
Speaker 1: who've come out to help. What does that teach my children?
24:06
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean.
24:07
Speaker 5: Even talking to acceptable, even talking to Daniel Rosch had
24:11
Speaker 5: the other day we were standing there and a little
24:14
Speaker 5: boy came in through the front and stood there how
24:16
Speaker 5: to look around, walked off and Daniel said, oh, that's
24:19
Speaker 5: that's so and so he came up the other day
24:21
Speaker 5: after smashing a window said I did that. I did
24:23
Speaker 5: that one and so and so I did that one.
24:25
Speaker 4: A lack of respect, Yeah, completely of respect.
24:27
Speaker 6: And that's that's the.
24:28
Speaker 5: Frustration from residents and Alice Springs that the Prime Minister
24:32
Speaker 5: flew in, sat behind closed doors with selected people and
24:35
Speaker 5: then he flew out. The community didn't see him, didn't
24:38
Speaker 5: speak to those businesses who are victims of crime related
24:41
Speaker 5: to those youth issues. That the whole issue, especially on
24:45
Speaker 5: a national stage, has been simplified to purely alcohol and
24:49
Speaker 5: it doesn't address all those other issues that you know,
24:53
Speaker 5: the intervention or the Stronger Futures were meant to also
24:56
Speaker 5: address over the past decade or.
24:57
Speaker 3: So, education and now take up and we're very quickly
25:02
Speaker 3: putting together the issues.
25:03
Speaker 6: So we agreed around the table.
25:05
Speaker 3: I can confirm that we sat around with the federal
25:07
Speaker 3: government around the things that there were their responsibility that
25:10
Speaker 3: we really needed to see more injection of and that
25:13
Speaker 3: more support that we required. We are now looking at
25:16
Speaker 3: a family thing because one of the issues is we
25:18
Speaker 3: take these young people and they go into as Jared says,
25:21
Speaker 3: we lock them up and we know that that doesn't
25:23
Speaker 3: improve them at all. Then they come back out and
25:25
Speaker 3: they go back to that same set of circumstances. And
25:27
Speaker 3: we've said all the way along that we have to
25:29
Speaker 3: do you know, Titan and that family support, and we've
25:32
Speaker 3: been doing that work. But the federal government is agreeing
25:34
Speaker 3: to help us with that work, and then it will
25:36
Speaker 3: be a plan around taking those dysfunctional families completely away
25:40
Speaker 3: from Alice Springs that gets them and their children away
25:44
Speaker 3: and having a therapeutic look around instead of just working
25:46
Speaker 3: with the young kid. We've got two sites that we
25:48
Speaker 3: can almost stand up straight away. So once that work
25:51
Speaker 3: is done between the federal government, we've got a plan
25:53
Speaker 3: with them.
25:54
Speaker 6: There's lots of other areas that they've agreed that.
25:56
Speaker 3: They need to help us with, you know, somewhat around
25:59
Speaker 3: it domestic family and sexual violence in that area.
26:02
Speaker 6: So there's some pleasing things that are going forward.
26:04
Speaker 3: We're mapping that out at the moment and the Chief
26:06
Speaker 3: Minister is taking the lead on that with Derell. So
26:09
Speaker 3: there is a bigger plan around that, Car, I can
26:11
Speaker 3: assure you, and I mean I saw it with you there.
26:13
Speaker 3: It's a very different thing. Having the federal government in town.
26:16
Speaker 3: They operate a very different way from us. But to me,
26:19
Speaker 3: as I said earlier, it was good to have them
26:21
Speaker 3: at the table. We've been talking extensively with Marion Melanderry
26:26
Speaker 3: as well around what we need to do and we
26:28
Speaker 3: will come to an agreement.
26:29
Speaker 6: With them over the cooming.
26:31
Speaker 2: Are we going to see is.
26:33
Speaker 7: To get clear, to get why is it taking so
26:35
Speaker 7: long of no action the government and now there's this
26:37
Speaker 7: big who are and the press and we're like, kiss it, international,
26:40
Speaker 7: shame job.
26:42
Speaker 2: Why has it taken that long to get here? Why
26:44
Speaker 2: have you done? What have they done that here? Why
26:47
Speaker 2: get this? Absolutely we've done hurting and it's your fault.
26:51
Speaker 6: People.
26:51
Speaker 3: And Alice Springs asked me to organize safe sleeping for
26:54
Speaker 3: young kids and take them off the street, the repeat
26:56
Speaker 3: kids they see out.
26:56
Speaker 6: That is now business as usual for us.
26:58
Speaker 3: We take those children out of the streets of Alice
27:00
Speaker 3: Springs when we see them and they're repeatedly at Its
27:06
Speaker 3: actually means it's the way that territory, families and police
27:08
Speaker 3: actually take that action.
27:09
Speaker 6: It's what people wanted. I can tell you, Jered.
27:12
Speaker 3: Over the last few weeks we have arrested so over
27:15
Speaker 3: the seven weeks of Operation Drina we've had well and
27:17
Speaker 3: truly over three hundred. We've put huge stress on our
27:20
Speaker 3: prisons by three hundred people being arrested. We've tipped out
27:23
Speaker 3: over sixteen hundred liters of alcohol. We have done extensive
27:28
Speaker 3: work in Alice Springs that we've stood up the Social
27:31
Speaker 3: Order Response Team that have done a broad range of
27:33
Speaker 3: work and continue to do that work in other springs.
27:36
Speaker 3: So to say we're doing nothing is absolutely can I
27:41
Speaker 3: just police? Are those additional police going to be staying. Absolutely,
27:46
Speaker 3: We're going to stay as long as it takes, and
27:49
Speaker 3: we are looking about what extra resources they need on the.
27:52
Speaker 1: Bottom line, so how many what's the number?
27:54
Speaker 3: So on every given day there's around forty police offices
27:57
Speaker 3: in Operation Drina during the day and making the bed safe.
28:01
Speaker 3: That's what they're doing. That's what I'm committed to, and
28:03
Speaker 3: I will continue that until we see a change. And
28:05
Speaker 3: we've got other things that will come in beyond the
28:08
Speaker 3: alcohol restrictions. But I can tell you police are already
28:11
Speaker 3: saying that retailers have decided to take on those restrictions already,
28:15
Speaker 3: they've got them in.
28:16
Speaker 6: Place and they're already seeing a reduction.
28:19
Speaker 5: What ticked off a few business people and residents in
28:23
Speaker 5: Alice Springs. Was just how flippant the Prime Minister was
28:25
Speaker 5: on that request for AFP support. You know, he made
28:28
Speaker 5: it seem that the call for AFP was to come
28:31
Speaker 5: in and take over the ant police force, when that's
28:34
Speaker 5: not the case at all. Everyone has been very complimentary
28:36
Speaker 5: of the work from.
28:37
Speaker 4: The police force and Alice Springs, but.
28:40
Speaker 5: Of course we all know how vast the Northern Territory
28:43
Speaker 5: is and how spread thin that police force is, and
28:46
Speaker 5: so it's more extra offices on the ground supporting the
28:49
Speaker 5: NTI police, extra boots rather than overtaking their responsibility.
28:54
Speaker 6: That was my point.
28:54
Speaker 3: Calculate at the moment, police are consumed with DV and
28:59
Speaker 3: all those sorts of things, the alcohol being a driving factor,
29:02
Speaker 3: not the causational factor. They're saying, if they can get
29:04
Speaker 3: that back down to you know, a more manageable number,
29:07
Speaker 3: and any number is not enough, is just way too many.
29:10
Speaker 3: But if we can get that back to a more
29:12
Speaker 3: manageable they've got them. Their resources are freed up, they're
29:15
Speaker 3: not tied up four to six hours on a DV case.
29:18
Speaker 3: They're actually able to do that more hog profile policing
29:21
Speaker 3: which Drina has done. So I think that you'll see
29:24
Speaker 3: a big change in that space, but we'll continue to.
29:26
Speaker 1: Do more with What about then for other places around
29:29
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory because the concern here is that we
29:32
Speaker 1: are going to see you know, additional police surge to
29:35
Speaker 1: Alice Springs, and rightly so they definitely need those additional
29:38
Speaker 1: police by the sounds of things, but that we are
29:40
Speaker 1: not going to have. You know that it's going to
29:42
Speaker 1: mean that, you know that three officers, let's say from
29:45
Speaker 1: Casarina might have to go to Alice Springs, three from
29:47
Speaker 1: Palmerston might have to go from you know, to Ola
29:50
Speaker 1: Springs or various remote communities. What impact is that going
29:53
Speaker 1: to have do you think for the rest of the
29:56
Speaker 1: Northern Territory. In addition to those alcohol changes, we're presumably
30:00
Speaker 1: some people will head to Darwin or other locations to
30:03
Speaker 1: get their hands.
30:03
Speaker 3: We're keeping a really good look on that. You will
30:06
Speaker 3: see that. You know, we've already got advice that the
30:09
Speaker 3: closed down in Derby, for example, has seen a migration
30:12
Speaker 3: of people, so we're not immune to that.
30:14
Speaker 6: We understand that. But we've actually put recruits.
30:16
Speaker 3: Down into Alice additional ones and we've got another group coming.
30:20
Speaker 6: So what that does is offset.
30:22
Speaker 3: But we have made a commitment and I'm going to
30:24
Speaker 3: stand by the commitment. We will keep enough boots on
30:26
Speaker 3: the ground and Alice Springs to see this and the
30:28
Speaker 3: whole layering effect.
30:29
Speaker 6: We'll see people return.
30:30
Speaker 3: We've had a big return to country since Christmas as well,
30:33
Speaker 3: so we'll see all of that come down. And as
30:35
Speaker 3: we see that come down, we might be able to
30:37
Speaker 3: go back and alleviate some of those trips through what
30:40
Speaker 3: we have got. Recruitment is a huge focus for us.
30:43
Speaker 3: We've got about thirty five coming through at the moment,
30:46
Speaker 3: and we've got new additional aboriginal liaison offices coming through
30:49
Speaker 3: as well, so they all work together as a team
30:51
Speaker 3: and we'll do that. But I agree we have got
30:53
Speaker 3: some significant issues here in Darwin. I was speaking to
30:56
Speaker 3: a business owner just yesterday in the city. We need
30:59
Speaker 3: to get on and and.
31:06
Speaker 1: You know, over the Christmas period, I cannot tell you
31:09
Speaker 1: how many people I've had conversations with who are seriously
31:12
Speaker 1: considering leaving the Northern Territory. You know, people in Alice
31:15
Speaker 1: Springs we know are leaving the Northern Territory because quite honestly,
31:20
Speaker 1: you know, I can understand it. They've they've they're fed up.
31:23
Speaker 1: We all love this place, and there is you know,
31:26
Speaker 1: that is why we are all living here. That is
31:28
Speaker 1: why we've made our homes here. That is why everybody
31:31
Speaker 1: that listens to this show has done exactly the same.
31:34
Speaker 1: But the concerns that that are happening at the moment
31:37
Speaker 1: when it comes to crime across the board. You know,
31:40
Speaker 1: I know that we've spoken a lot about Alice Springs.
31:44
Speaker 1: It's it is seriously holding us back, and I've said
31:47
Speaker 1: that before on this show, but I cannot, like, I
31:50
Speaker 1: just cannot understand how we're in a situation, you know,
31:54
Speaker 1: where it's not getting any better.
31:57
Speaker 6: Get work, because you've said it yourself.
31:59
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of this is around those bigger
32:00
Speaker 3: issues for poverty and overcrowding. We've got urban drift, we've
32:04
Speaker 3: got people coming into town, and we've stood up things
32:06
Speaker 3: like Baton Road and a whole range of there's Baton
32:08
Speaker 3: Road is full.
32:09
Speaker 6: So we've got you know, but time after time, everyone.
32:12
Speaker 1: Will be hearing this morning on the show is that
32:14
Speaker 1: you know, the government's saying we're doing X, y and
32:17
Speaker 1: Z to fix these issues. But then you've got you know,
32:21
Speaker 1: your victims of crime. That's right to the fact, but
32:24
Speaker 1: there is you know, there is a lot of long
32:26
Speaker 1: term work going on, and everybody wants that long term
32:29
Speaker 1: work to continue to go on, but they want the
32:32
Speaker 1: wound that is currently bleeding to be to be fixed
32:37
Speaker 1: so that they can live their lives safely.
32:39
Speaker 9: Katie, part of this mix should be looking at the
32:42
Speaker 9: relevant legislation that governs these kind of activities. Will behavior
32:46
Speaker 9: Now don't always agree with the CLP, but I do
32:49
Speaker 9: agree with them in regards to the review of the
32:50
Speaker 9: Bail Act or to have amendments to that because it
32:52
Speaker 9: just seems to be a revolving door. The other aspect
32:55
Speaker 9: is that we know that the court systems are completely
32:58
Speaker 9: bogged down or they're just loaded.
33:00
Speaker 4: Is probably more of the word.
33:02
Speaker 9: So some because of that, we've got a huge number
33:05
Speaker 9: of people on remand in our jails when they could
33:07
Speaker 9: have been dealt with one way or the other in
33:09
Speaker 9: the court system. So I previously I've written to the
33:12
Speaker 9: government about questions on notices in regards to the number
33:14
Speaker 9: of judges we have Supreme Court judges. We have six
33:17
Speaker 9: Supreme Court judges k Twenty years ago we had six
33:20
Speaker 9: Supreme Court judges and yet the workload is probably tripled,
33:22
Speaker 9: if not quadrupleed. So I think there's other part of this.
33:26
Speaker 9: It's a bit dry, but there's another part of this
33:28
Speaker 9: that we need to be looking at, whether there needs
33:30
Speaker 9: to be changes to other pieces of legislation. But I
33:33
Speaker 9: think there definitely needs to be changes to the Bail Act,
33:35
Speaker 9: and I think government really needs to look at other
33:38
Speaker 9: pieces of legislation that perhaps can be strengthened. I'm not
33:41
Speaker 9: talking about harsher penalties necessarily or new penalties, but I
33:44
Speaker 9: think there's things that needs to be look The Liquorate's
33:46
Speaker 9: under review at the moment, the Bail Act, so that
33:49
Speaker 9: those things I think really need people out there who
33:53
Speaker 9: have an interest in this should really look at it
33:54
Speaker 9: and come up with some perhaps some innovative ways of
33:57
Speaker 9: addressing through regulation legislation, because at the end of the day,
34:02
Speaker 9: I mean, all these liquor laws and liquor things that
34:03
Speaker 9: have been informitted. Yeah, presumably they've all been done through
34:06
Speaker 9: regulation under the various pieces of legislation, but we need
34:09
Speaker 9: to look at that because there is no there is
34:11
Speaker 9: no no consequences. Forget the fact whether the person's one
34:14
Speaker 9: hundred percent mental capacity, there is no consequence last night
34:17
Speaker 9: the Koodlingan News agency was broken into the car, drove
34:20
Speaker 9: up to the door, smashed the windows, trash the join.
34:23
Speaker 4: And dole donation boxes, sole.
34:25
Speaker 9: Donation boxes, and stole whatever else. Now they're a Teslato place,
34:28
Speaker 9: they probably broke all the glass and stole twillions of
34:31
Speaker 9: bloody Teslato ticks.
34:32
Speaker 6: Now what are those things?
34:33
Speaker 1: Scratches?
34:34
Speaker 9: But that's that's a small business and that's a nice
34:36
Speaker 9: shopping center.
34:37
Speaker 1: So yeah, look it's in queens in Queensland just before
34:42
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was just before Christmas or
34:43
Speaker 1: just after Christmas, and a stage of Palache came out
34:46
Speaker 1: and made a few announcements around the youth crime issue
34:48
Speaker 1: that they've got. One of those is harsher punishment for
34:51
Speaker 1: those that if you are a youth who then shares
34:54
Speaker 1: any of those crimes on social media, that your punishment
34:58
Speaker 1: will be greater.
34:59
Speaker 6: Well, then that's what we should be looking at.
35:01
Speaker 3: That we're looking at a mobilizers, which was part of
35:04
Speaker 3: what they talked about. I've talked with police recently about
35:07
Speaker 3: the use of a mobilizers and incentivizing them to be
35:10
Speaker 3: on cars. But you know, but the other thing is
35:13
Speaker 3: Katie Nearly every car that gets stolen.
35:15
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, the keys are readily available too. So I'm not
35:20
Speaker 6: I'm not.
35:24
Speaker 3: You're right, but I'm just saying if a mobilizers are
35:26
Speaker 3: on vehicles, so we can incentivize some of that stuff.
35:29
Speaker 6: But we are looking at all of what Queensland has done.
35:31
Speaker 1: One of the really interesting things I thought that Queensland
35:34
Speaker 1: had done. And I know that you guys in here
35:36
Speaker 1: will have this historical knowledge and be able to tell
35:38
Speaker 1: me is that they have made this move as I
35:41
Speaker 1: understand that if a youth goes before the courts before
35:45
Speaker 1: you know, before a judge for a crime, that the
35:47
Speaker 1: judge will be able to look at their previous history.
35:50
Speaker 1: My understanding is that here in the Northern Territory are
35:53
Speaker 1: they able to do that currently? And if not, they
35:55
Speaker 1: are and take that into account when they're sentencing.
35:58
Speaker 3: Not in their sentencing, but they are where when they're
36:00
Speaker 3: looking at a case of the previous history of young people,
36:03
Speaker 3: is my understanding.
36:04
Speaker 4: So then what's the point If it's not part of
36:05
Speaker 4: their sentencing, then.
36:07
Speaker 6: Well they'd have to have it considerations.
36:09
Speaker 3: So can I say that ninety percent of the young
36:13
Speaker 3: people that we have are on remand and my biggest
36:16
Speaker 3: issue at the moment is whilst we have amazing we
36:19
Speaker 3: have got some amazing groups of people working with these
36:23
Speaker 3: kids and the kids in when you know, I visit
36:25
Speaker 3: those kids out in Dondale and other areas, isn't Salt
36:28
Speaker 3: Bush And we've got salt bushed up as well. You know,
36:31
Speaker 3: they are on a good trajectory while they're in there.
36:33
Speaker 3: We return them to the same conditions that they came in.
36:36
Speaker 3: And there is a program called through Care, but you
36:39
Speaker 3: literally cannot say to a family, you know, you can
36:41
Speaker 3: put them on a responsibility agreement, and we've had those
36:44
Speaker 3: operating as well.
36:45
Speaker 6: But what we need to do is work individually with.
36:47
Speaker 3: Families and take them away out of places like Alice
36:50
Speaker 3: Springs out of Darwin, because that stuff is happening here,
36:53
Speaker 3: and work with those families to teach them to be
36:55
Speaker 3: proper parents, to actually get those kids back and engage
36:58
Speaker 3: with school, because when they're in detention, they all go
37:01
Speaker 3: to school from day one, look after their health and
37:04
Speaker 3: a whole range of things. If you can't have that
37:06
Speaker 3: full continuum, that is the very big frustration. It's a
37:10
Speaker 3: frustration for police, it's a frustration for all my youth.
37:13
Speaker 3: Justice officers who do the case work. It's a huge
37:16
Speaker 3: frustration and so you can't legally take those kids. But
37:19
Speaker 3: can I say, and this is one thing I was
37:21
Speaker 3: going to say before in Alice Springs people keep saying
37:24
Speaker 3: about you know you've got kids and neglected you.
37:26
Speaker 6: We have taken a very large number.
37:28
Speaker 3: Of young people away from their families and other springs
37:31
Speaker 3: for the first time in a long time. We always
37:34
Speaker 3: do that work in child welfare, but it is something
37:37
Speaker 3: that we are I'm not incredibly proud of that as
37:39
Speaker 3: a minister because where our.
37:40
Speaker 6: Trajectory was a very good path.
37:42
Speaker 3: But since before Christmas, we've worked intensively in our springs
37:46
Speaker 3: and I think the number is as high as almost
37:48
Speaker 3: thirty young people are now in the care of the CEO.
37:51
Speaker 3: That's unprecedented. We continue to do that work. We don't
37:54
Speaker 3: come on this show and talk about it all the time, Katie,
37:57
Speaker 3: but I think and I think people then think we're
37:59
Speaker 3: not doing that.
38:00
Speaker 1: We're absolutely that. You're not proud of that, But the
38:04
Speaker 1: thing is, if you've got thirty kids that are in
38:06
Speaker 1: a really unsafe environment, isn't it the right thing to do?
38:10
Speaker 7: And also remember these children taken into quick these children
38:14
Speaker 7: taken into caring it they go out commune defenses. We
38:18
Speaker 7: know that, we know that, we know that, we know
38:21
Speaker 7: that there's a car crash out how it springs which
38:22
Speaker 7: involved with the children with in Churrookee Families care Families
38:29
Speaker 7: didn't happen.
38:29
Speaker 2: I gave you an example, So you're wrong.
38:31
Speaker 1: Look, but we make.
38:33
Speaker 3: Huge numbers of kids in the care of the CEO children.
38:39
Speaker 1: You're going to have to take a very short break.
38:41
Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one O four nine three sixty.
38:44
Speaker 1: It is the week that was. You might just take
38:46
Speaker 1: a quick change of pace because one of the other
38:47
Speaker 1: big stories that broke over the Christmas period was the
38:51
Speaker 1: fact that some cable the company aiming to supply Darwin
38:54
Speaker 1: and Singapore with electricity from a giant solar farm in
38:57
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. It's been placed into voluntary administration. So
39:01
Speaker 1: the company had the backing of both Mike cannon Brooks
39:04
Speaker 1: and Andrew Twiggy Forest, including raising two hundred and ten
39:07
Speaker 1: million dollars from the billionaires and other investors last year.
39:11
Speaker 1: The plans, though had included I can hear you tools,
39:15
Speaker 1: had included a soul of farm of as much as
39:18
Speaker 1: twenty gigawatts of capacity. It had been eyeing a project's
39:22
Speaker 1: cost of up to thirty billion dollars all up. It's
39:27
Speaker 1: a huge hit. I know that they're saying, you know
39:30
Speaker 1: that things will get back into on track, but easier.
39:34
Speaker 9: These these these two Beena tay or three Kiti. This
39:41
Speaker 9: was always a super ambitious project and it was also
39:45
Speaker 9: very visionary.
39:45
Speaker 1: It was a unicorn.
39:46
Speaker 5: Unicorn had, However, does more and more difficult.
39:55
Speaker 2: It's a lot difficult.
39:56
Speaker 9: That's we should call it jabbaluka because it'll never get
39:59
Speaker 9: bloody develop anyway, Katie, what the issue is is, yes, visionary, yes, massive,
40:05
Speaker 9: all that sort of stuff, but when it comes to
40:07
Speaker 9: the nuts and bolts of us, it was always going
40:09
Speaker 9: to be very difficult, both technically, geopolitically, even geologically. First
40:15
Speaker 9: of all, you start with land access. They had to
40:16
Speaker 9: go across the Northern territory, so they had to negotiate
40:19
Speaker 9: aboriginal land under the land Right sack. That can take
40:21
Speaker 9: a while and that can cost money. They have to
40:23
Speaker 9: do land clearing, they had to do pastoral land that's
40:25
Speaker 9: the native title and that's just in our country.
40:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:27
Speaker 9: Plus they would have had to do environmental assessment to
40:29
Speaker 9: put whatever they had to put on the land to
40:31
Speaker 9: get the energy up to the corner. Then you had
40:33
Speaker 9: to get across the deep sea trench that's between US
40:36
Speaker 9: and Singapore and ease team all and that sort of stuff.
40:38
Speaker 9: So that's the technical engineering possible but very difficult in
40:42
Speaker 9: fact or not impossible. And then you had to negotiate
40:45
Speaker 9: through maybe two countries waters including Indonesia three. So you know,
40:50
Speaker 9: that's what I'm saying. It was a massive visionary project,
40:53
Speaker 9: and anything is possible to build in this world. If
40:56
Speaker 9: you've got the money from a two billionaires from you've
40:59
Speaker 9: got Yeah, but it wasn't their money.
41:01
Speaker 6: Now they're just.
41:04
Speaker 1: Katie.
41:04
Speaker 9: It doesn't surprise me, and I'll be the first one
41:07
Speaker 9: not to bag an industry project. But I never said
41:10
Speaker 9: anything during the whole stage because I never thought it
41:12
Speaker 9: would happen for all of those reasons. Plus more so,
41:15
Speaker 9: the money that the company that's gone into liquidation doesn't
41:18
Speaker 9: have these big fellows illustration administration. Sorry, it doesn't have
41:21
Speaker 9: these big fellows real money in it. And my understanding
41:24
Speaker 9: is that they missed a key deadline. I'm not sure
41:26
Speaker 9: that key deadline was whether it some regulatory issues with
41:28
Speaker 9: common Weal for the Anti government or even some of
41:30
Speaker 9: their subsequent business partners.
41:33
Speaker 6: Something could still happen.
41:36
Speaker 1: I would doubt it goes to Singapore. And from what
41:38
Speaker 1: I've read, Twiggy is happy enough to do work here
41:42
Speaker 1: in Australia, but not so much the Singapore Link, whereas
41:47
Speaker 1: Mike cannon Brooks I think wants to go ahead with
41:49
Speaker 1: the project as is. But let's be honest, Mike canon
41:52
Speaker 1: Brooks doesn't have the same experience when it comes to
41:54
Speaker 1: delivering that infrastructure. Those infrastructure projects is what Twiggy does.
41:57
Speaker 9: Katie, look at the big look at Sunrise gas project,
41:59
Speaker 9: all right, that gas field is still not developed and
42:02
Speaker 9: that's been negotiated and debated and handled over between US
42:06
Speaker 9: Australia and East Team or Team or less DAE for
42:08
Speaker 9: best part of twenty five years. Mass massive gas field
42:11
Speaker 9: seven point five thereabouts trillion cubic feet compared to back
42:14
Speaker 9: to Black Tip. That's got one that was a massive
42:17
Speaker 9: project and that's gone from this to that to everything else.
42:20
Speaker 9: Partners have come in and gone out. You know, Santos
42:22
Speaker 9: was in then they're Woodside in and out. The other
42:24
Speaker 9: thing is there was a similar project. I think it
42:26
Speaker 9: was over and I'm going to say Norway where they've
42:29
Speaker 9: just completed it taking energy from a solar farm to
42:32
Speaker 9: another destination. Now I'm not sure if it was England.
42:33
Speaker 9: It was within the Europe and that took years, and
42:36
Speaker 9: that was that one.
42:37
Speaker 4: With the cable as well, seven hundred year instead of And.
42:41
Speaker 9: That's a ver small project and that was technically engineering
42:45
Speaker 9: and geopolitically very complex. So what I say is good
42:48
Speaker 9: on the government for having confidence that something will happen.
42:51
Speaker 9: I think something may happen, but I seriously doubt I'll
42:53
Speaker 9: ever go to Singapore.
42:54
Speaker 1: It is a big part of the government's forty billion
42:57
Speaker 1: dollar economy by twenty thirty, So you know, I think
43:02
Speaker 1: a lot of people are questioning, how are we going
43:03
Speaker 1: to get there?
43:04
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. The timeline's gone.
43:06
Speaker 7: Can I say one thing, maybe the government should make
43:08
Speaker 7: crime and make your project because it will go away.
43:10
Speaker 6: Then don't give up your day job, Jerry, actually resign.
43:27
Speaker 6: What the NT government should do?
43:28
Speaker 9: Yes, okay, so some cable is there and things will
43:31
Speaker 9: happen maybe or maybe not. They should focus on some
43:33
Speaker 9: hard rock mining projects and don't talk to me about
43:36
Speaker 9: coll lithium. That's done that's happening. Let's find a new
43:39
Speaker 9: let's find a new major world class discovery and the.
43:43
Speaker 5: Solar projects we've already got here, don't. We have two
43:45
Speaker 5: farms that aren't connected because you're still here.
43:51
Speaker 9: The reason they can't connect those three solar farms at
43:53
Speaker 9: Manton Dan Bachelor was the other one, Catherine, is because
43:58
Speaker 9: our infrastructure, more than power will infrastructure cannot cope. So
44:01
Speaker 9: that comes down to a repair and maintenance and improvement issue.
44:05
Speaker 9: So that's upgrades.
44:06
Speaker 6: That's the big problem.
44:07
Speaker 9: Now that should have been sorted out well before the
44:09
Speaker 9: company's committed to building the.
44:10
Speaker 1: Bloody So I mean though that at the end of
44:12
Speaker 1: the day, like we had the TERCI the report, you
44:15
Speaker 1: know that we had Andrew Liveris, We've also you know,
44:20
Speaker 1: Paul Henderson and others on does it really just blow
44:23
Speaker 1: it out of the water now, you know, like how
44:25
Speaker 1: we honestly how we meant to get to the forty
44:27
Speaker 1: billion dollar economy by twenty thirty delayed?
44:31
Speaker 2: Does it can't happen?
44:33
Speaker 6: Yeah, to start with, look and make sure you get
44:36
Speaker 6: them back on track.
44:37
Speaker 3: And as Kesier said, you know, we are working extensively
44:41
Speaker 3: in the space around mining all the time. There's lots
44:45
Speaker 3: of really good projects on the horizon, so you know,
44:48
Speaker 3: I'm very optimistic.
44:49
Speaker 6: Of course I would be.
44:50
Speaker 3: Of course Jared would be oppositional to that, but that's
44:53
Speaker 3: you know, that's what it's like to be in government
44:55
Speaker 3: and there's lots of really good things on the sky
44:59
Speaker 3: line for the territory.
45:00
Speaker 1: We are going to take a really quick break and
45:02
Speaker 1: then we're going to wrap up for the morning. You
45:03
Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty
45:06
Speaker 1: before we wrapped up the week that was for the
45:08
Speaker 1: first for the first week that was for the year.
45:11
Speaker 1: I do just want to say that we have now
45:13
Speaker 1: been notified that a state funeral is going to be
45:15
Speaker 1: held for the Member for our referra. It's going to
45:17
Speaker 1: be on the first of March in Darwin and the
45:19
Speaker 1: Member for our refueral will then be taken home. And yeah,
45:24
Speaker 1: that state funeral is going to be happening. And we
45:26
Speaker 1: also know that there is a by election I believe
45:28
Speaker 1: for the eighteenth of March.
45:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Chief Minis is going to be asking the
45:32
Speaker 5: Electoral Commission for that.
45:33
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so it's an early sad time for his family.
45:37
Speaker 3: It's a time for I think it's one of those
45:40
Speaker 3: things that goes across the chamber.
45:41
Speaker 6: You know, we sat with Lawrence.
45:44
Speaker 3: I've certainly spent the last six and a half years
45:46
Speaker 3: with Lawrence as one of my colleagues. Just so so
45:49
Speaker 3: sad for everybody involved, and you know, I think to
45:54
Speaker 3: move on and have the state funeral will be a
45:57
Speaker 3: really nice way to remember him and his contributions, and
46:00
Speaker 3: we spend that time with his family and absolutely.
46:03
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, it's it was. I was quite shocked, and
46:05
Speaker 9: I mean he wasn't particularly old in the great scheme
46:08
Speaker 9: of things, and you know, but life he was definitely
46:11
Speaker 9: younger than me. But it's just a shock and I
46:13
Speaker 9: feel for his family. And you know, his late father
46:17
Speaker 9: used to play footy with my brother, so you know,
46:18
Speaker 9: my brother had an interest in his family. And like
46:21
Speaker 9: Kate says, it's a shock because at the end of
46:23
Speaker 9: the day, in the Parliament Chamber, we're all colleagues and
46:25
Speaker 9: we all we all do roughly the same thing, which
46:27
Speaker 9: just happened to be on different sides at times. But
46:29
Speaker 9: when someone gets taken away from you in there, you
46:32
Speaker 9: sort of really feel that will feel the empty spaces
46:35
Speaker 9: to all his family.
46:36
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, I'm friends that does conclude the week that
46:40
Speaker 1: was for the for the first week that was for
46:43
Speaker 1: three It's been a cracker. Thank you all so much
46:45
Speaker 1: for your company this morning. Jared Mailey, the Deputy Opposition Later,
46:48
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Kathleen Gazola from nine News Starwin,
46:52
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Kezier Puric, the independent member
46:55
Speaker 1: for Katie.
46:56
Speaker 9: Don't forget school goes back. I'm not going to.
47:01
Speaker 1: Forget that one.
47:01
Speaker 2: Well I better.
47:02
Speaker 9: Not, anyway, I was going to say just to remind people,
47:06
Speaker 9: you know, don't speed outside schools, you know, because the
47:08
Speaker 9: schools are.
47:09
Speaker 1: Easy, and don't forget. I've been looking forward to it
47:11
Speaker 1: for a while now, and you know what I reckon
47:14
Speaker 1: half the territory is.
47:15
Speaker 6: Yeah, goes back.
47:18
Speaker 1: Exactly. Thank you and Kate Warner, the Minister for Police
47:22
Speaker 1: and Territory Families, thanks for your time.
47:24
Speaker 6: To know is a pleasure. Thanks, thank you.
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