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Alice in Borderland (S1 & S2) | Full J-drama Review / Ep. 74 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is the Teba K Rambles podcast where a couple
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  of friends review Korean dramas and we are back full force.
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  This episode I am joined by not one but two guests.
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  I have Miguel and Rico with me today to review a really epic J
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  drama, Alice in Borderland. Miguel and Rico, what is up?
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  Yo, how's it going? Hello.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  Nice to be back. It's been so long since either
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  of you have been on Payback and you guys have never actually
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  been on together on one episode. This.
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  I did like a little Avengers Assemble with you guys.
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  I wanted both of you guys to watch this show and thankfully
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  you both were like, yeah, absolutely.
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  Let's go. So I am pumped to be here with
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  both of you and to just like get going on this.
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  I finished the show maybe 3540 minutes ago and I was telling
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  you guys I was like wired, like walking around the house, just
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  like clapping for no reason. Like it was like the end of the
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  Illusionist with like Paul Giamatti, just like everything
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  making connections. And I was like, Oh my God, it
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  was such a time to experience the show and I did it on a
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  binge. Oh my God.
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  I'm just so pumped to be here and do this with you guys.
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  If you guys are unfamiliar with Miguel and Rico, they are
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  brothers and they have been podcast buddies and friends for
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  so long. And I'm just so, so excited to
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  be here. What I don't know, should we
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  just like really quick, like what have you guys been up to
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  like the last few months for people that maybe like caught
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  the last episode you guys were on and are curious like what you
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  all have been up to or? So for me, I know that people
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  may recognize me from always the Critic podcast, which has not
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  been going since our last episode, which was doomed to
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  back in March. Life has gotten very busy in
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  good ways, in good ways. So it's been very difficult to
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  continue that part of what I like to do.
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  But at the end of the day, although I'm not doing the pod,
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  I'm still, you know, getting out there and working, living, but
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  also still watching movies in in different like times that can.
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  Find that. You know, it's not, it's not as
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  simple as what it used to be like Thursday night.
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  It's a movie, you know, like, right?
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  Yeah, you don't have that schedule anymore.
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  No, no, it's definitely different.
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  It's like special when we go and see a movie all together with
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  our friends group. Listen, what's your number one
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  movie for the year and what is your favorite show, TV show that
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  you've watched this year? So I think for the movie, I
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  think it is doomed to. Get out for real.
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  Yeah, yeah. Still, even after all this time
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  so far, it's because I'll be honest with you, this year
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  hasn't really been all that exciting at the movies I've I've
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  gone through. I was, I was updating my yearly
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  list like, you know, where do things stack up and stuff.
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  And yeah, like I kind of came to the conclusion, yeah, due to
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  still is the one to beat at the moment.
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  I mean, there's still four months left in the year.
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  Which? Plenty of time for something
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  else to come out and really solidify itself.
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  But yeah, that's been my movie. In terms of show, I don't really
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  have a show that I can really tell you.
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  I know that. I decided to go back and start
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  watching The Bear again. Like I gave it a shot before but
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  then like I stopped and now I'm giving it another shot.
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  OK. So yeah, I'm in the middle of
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  season one on that. So wow, OK, well, season one's
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  great and so is season 2. Season three, we watched like
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  the first three episodes and then we stopped and we haven't
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  gotten back to it. So I don't know what that says
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  about season three, but that's where me and Becks are.
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  Me and my sister, I see. Mm hmm.
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  Miguel, how about you? What you been up to?
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  I've been on sabbatical. I decided to just like take most
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  of the year off and just vibe like that's really been my whole
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  year is just vibing. So I've been watching a lot of
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  movies, like a lot of movie, like probably one to two movies
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  a day for the past like three months, doing some more baking,
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  watching TV, exercising, just very like everything that you
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  say that you're going to do if you had the time to do it.
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  That's what I've been up to mostly.
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  And you're having a brat summer. Basically, yeah, yeah, it it,
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  it's a whole good time. It's it's a good excellent.
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  And then? I made you really got the
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  challenge. Yeah.
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  Then that happened and I was like, I mean.
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  Oh my God. But yeah, no, reading it, it's a
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  year of just straight up media consumption and it's been a
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  great time, especially after the Criterion sale.
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  I just went down there and just like, let me get like 2 movies.
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  I left with like 20 and then I went home and that was that.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Nice. All right, so that's our little
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  update. This year has not been the
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  strongest year for movies and K dramas, I will say.
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  So we're not even going to bother.
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  We're going to talk about AJ drama today that came out in the
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  in the pandemic. So if this is your first time
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  Thank you guys, love you guys. OK, we're going to get going on
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  this big review we have here for Alice in Borderland.
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  We're going to be reviewing both seasons one and two.
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  So here we go. I'm going to read the My Drama
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  list synopsis for seasons one and two and we'll talk about
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  when it aired, the director and writer, this cast list.
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  But we're really going to save the bulk of our talk for like
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  what the hell actually happened in the show.
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  Non spoiler and spoiler section and here we go.
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  Here's the synopsis for season one.
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  Adisa Yohe, a listless, jobless and video game obsessed young
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  man, suddenly finds himself in a strange, emptied out version of
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  Tokyo in which he and his friends must compete in
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  dangerous games in order to survive.
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  In this strange world, Adisa meets Usagi, a young woman who's
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  navigating the games alone. After a dangerous game which
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  tests Adisa's limits, the two set out together to unravel one
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  mystery after another as they risk their lives and confront
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  what it means to live. Season 2 basically picks up
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  where season one left off, and here's a synopsis.
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  Arisa Ryohe and Usagi Yuzaha have been pursuing the mystery
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  of Borderland, risking their lives and games in order to
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  survive and return to their world.
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  The two of them encounter friends, foes, and the
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  mastermind who controls the game at a location believed to be the
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  key to unraveling the mystery. They have collected the numbered
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  cards each time they won a game. All that remains are the Jack,
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  Queen and King cards. The games they face this round
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  will be of greater difficulty than the ones they came before.
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  So this is a show that's adapted from the manga series, and I
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  hope I don't butcher this Imoan no Kuni no Alice by Hado ASO.
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  Did I get that? You're nodding your head,
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  Miguel. You're like, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, you got. It I tried my best and season
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  one aired December 20th, 2020, so right in the pandemic.
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  The thought that was our pandemic Christmas so to speak.
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  On Netflix. It is a Netflix original and
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  season 2 aired December 22nd. It's in its entirety December
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  22nd, 2022, so two years later and each season is 8 episodes
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  long. It is directed and written by
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  Shinsuke Sato or Sato. This is a director who has
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  directed several live action film adaptations of manga and
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  anime, including The Princess Blade Gantz.
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  I hope I said that right. I am a hero.
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  Bleach, Inuyashigi Kingdom and its sequels.
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  He does mostly films. It's pretty rare for him to do a
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  drama. So for I mean, you can kind of
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  tell that this feels very cinematic and extremely
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  cinematic. You can feel that he's a film
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  director and then the screenwriter, his or a Co
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  screenwriter, is Kuramitsu Yasuko.
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  She also wrote the screenplay with him.
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  All right, this show stars Yamazaki Quinto.
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  He plays Ryo Hai Adisu, basically Alice if you didn't
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  put two and two together. The Adisu is Alice.
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  Yeah. Just it's right there.
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  It's right there, it's right there.
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  This one was tougher for me. It's Suchiya Tao plays Usagi
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  Yuzaha, and she is the white rabbit.
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  She plays the rabbit. Yeah, cuz usagi means rabbit in
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  Japanese. Right.
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  There's no way for me to know that one like that way, so that
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  took me longer. It is only if you know the
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  language, then you'll understand.
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  Right. Sure.
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  I do not speak Japanese and I am not Japanese, but thank you,
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  Miguel. Appreciate it.
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  We do have a larger extended cast.
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  I'm not sure if we want to go through each one or just just
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  launch right into what did we think of this show?
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  I kind of want to launch into it.
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  Right, right, me too, cause the cast is like a moving target.
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  It's two seasons of cast and some are recurring.
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  I mean, a lot of them are recurring characters.
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  So what did you guys think of Alice in Borderland seasons one
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  and two? OK, so it was like a lot like it
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  was a lot. So I, I, I, I want to say I
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  really liked it. It just, it had so much going
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  on. Like it's so brutally violent.
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  That's the first thing that just sticks out.
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  Like you got people getting shot in the face, like point blank.
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  The camera is so unflinching. It you know what it kind of
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  reminded me of? It kind of reminded me of like,
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  have you guys like the boys? Have you seen the boys where
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  people could just be walking along and then bam, like they
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  explode or like they shot or so that really threw me, but I
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  liked it. I think that a lot of the games,
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  I like them a little more because I was at first when I
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  saw the synopsis of the show because I have remembered the
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  manga from a while back and I think I had read it, but it's
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  been so long. And I was like, Oh well, I mean,
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  it's going to be another Squid Game, another this.
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  But I like that the games in this were more brain teasers.
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  They were a little more engaging.
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  There was a bunch of unexpected twists all the way throughout
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  within the games. So even when you think you get
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  the pattern down, you don't really, I don't know.
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  I I liked it. I liked it.
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  I thought it was really interesting all the way through.
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  Just it was just really unflinchingly.
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  I think your hesitancy comes from the violence of the.
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  Show it's and I don't I don't mind violence, but it was just
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  so like shocking. It's a very shocking show and
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  for a lot of thematic spoiler ridden reasons that I can't get
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  into. But headline is I really enjoyed
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  it. I thought it kept me on my toes.
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  The only downside is it gets very dense.
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  Like it gets very dense very quickly.
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  And it's just like, man, like the pacing and like the
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  dialogue, just drag and drag and drag, but in a way that makes
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  you look forward to getting back to the game, not let this whole
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  thing be over. Does that make sense?
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  Mm hmm. But anyway.
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  I understand what you're saying. You're like, I can't wait for
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  the show to be over. You're just like can.
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  We I can't wait for this dialogue to be Yeah, yeah.
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  Like it's, you know what it is, it falls into so many.
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  Like it's very much a live action anime.
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  Like very, very much a live action anime.
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  But outside of that, I really liked it.
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  It was fun, all right, Rico. I really enjoy the game aspect
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  of the show. I really enjoy.
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  I knew that this was going to happen.
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  So the reason why is because I really enjoy the like the the
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  suspense of like what does each game hold and what are the
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  stakes involved with said game? So and I really like them
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  deciphering like, oh, what does each suite or suit mean?
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  The numbers, how how difficult the game is.
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  I will agree a little bit with Miguel.
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  There's a bit of dialogue that just maybe carries on a little
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  too long and kind of either breaks the momentum of an
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  episode or show. I still this is this is a
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  criticism that I've had. And, you know, this Jessica,
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  like these episodes are so long that you, I'm so used to a show
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  like there's kind of like a, you know, like a cadence to episodes
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  and shows. And then once it reaches a
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  certain moment, you know, OK, this episode's about to end.
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  And every time that this would happen on this show, it's like,
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  no, there's still another 25 minutes.
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  And it's like, man, like they cram so much into an episode.
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  Here's one thing I will say though.
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  I was not a fan of either season finale I.
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  Oh, OK, OK. Season one, the way it ends, I
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  was not a fan of and then season 2 I was like, kind of like
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  you're losing me here, you're losing me.
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  And like at at the end, like it was fine, but but for the most
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  part, I enjoyed the show. There was some moments where it
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  felt a little too real. And I think that has to do with
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  season 2 that we'll dive more into.
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  There's a certain character and certain action sequences that
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  feel so real that like it almost gets to an upsetting point.
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  But overall, I think that this is a interesting show.
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  I think it's a clever show as well with, but it still has, you
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  know, a couple of little faults here and there that don't bring
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  it up to like perfect or anything, but still very
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  enjoyable. OK, so I'll jump in.
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  I freaking love this show. I walked in blind like I didn't
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  know anything about this show. I thought Alison Bourdon was
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  about zombies and I thought I was taking a risk by asking you
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  guys to watch this show because I was like, Rigo doesn't like
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  zombies and like, what am I going to do?
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  I'm asking him to like watch this J drama like it's about
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  zombies. The literally I was like, could
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  not be more wrong. No zombies at all.
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  This is a show about games. And as soon as I realized this
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  was like a game, I was like, oh, good.
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  Rico might like this more because for those who don't
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  know, and my comment earlier referred to the fact that Rico
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  loves games. He's very competitive.
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  Yes, that is very correct. Right.
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  So and we've had multiple game nights where it gets a little
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  like intense because Rico's so competitive and I'm just a
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  little bit about me. I don't really give a shit.
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  So like I show up just to have a good time, like first fist and
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  gigs, and usually our group pulls out the most complicated
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  game. And so I am the person in the
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  TikTok video that's like, here's trying to explain the game to so
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  and so. And I'm looking clueless and I'm
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  like, I just came for the food like he's so.
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  No, literally, like I'll be out of I've been at these parties my
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  and this is my brother, so I know what it's like.
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  Like if we're playing cards and he wins a suit, he'll slap his
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  hand on the cards and drag it like, you know, one of those
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  goblins under a bridge. Like this is my suit or I'll be
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  at a party. Like we'll all be at a party and
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  I'm like, and it could be anybody.
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  I'm in the same I'm in the exact same camp as Jessica.
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  Like I I have a very can you start my orange like approach to
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  life when it comes to games. I'll be at a party.
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  I'm like and they're like, oh, I just beat you by 12 points.
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  Oh, cool as a pizza here. Like right.
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  I'm like, oh, that's great. Like are we starting the movie
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  now? Like.
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  So I thought to myself as we were, as I was watching, I was
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  like, oh shit. I inadvertently picked a really
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  good show for Rico because it's about really intense mind games.
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  So I enjoyed this show immensely for like how simplistic it is.
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  And then gradually it gets more complicated.
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  And that's what you know, Miguel was saying about it gets so
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  dense because in season 2 especially, and you said this on
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  our text exchange, Miguel, it is a yap fest.
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  Like people are constantly talking about their
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  philosophical mindset to life secretary.
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  Of yap, our culture and. That's all.
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  It's like every face card was just a yap monster.
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  It there was no in between, like you knew that you were gonna sit
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  down. It was an unskippable cutscene
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  'cause it's like there's, it's, it's so dense with platitudes
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  and it's like anybody listening who like watches anime, you know
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  exactly what it's like. It's like, oh, the sky is blue
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  here, Is it blue where you are? Hemiko and interlace with all
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  this stuff are very important plot points and you're like God
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  damn it. Like what can I press start an
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  X? Like what can I do?
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  So that's what we mean by like maybe season.
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  Season one was a lot more cut and dry and then season 2 it got
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  into and some of it I liked and then some of it I was like bro,
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  like I need to take a seat and I was already sitting like it was
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  like, oh God. Oh my.
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  God, I know, but overall I really enjoyed it.
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  I I did not mind the season one finale or the season 2 finale.
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  I was like this is par for the course.
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  I'm watching AJ drama. Like I was like, I thought it
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  was going to end like this really dramatic like don't,
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  don't, don't. And then I also really enjoyed
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  the overall thematic or reference point of Alice in
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  Wonderland. Like that to me was like a like
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  easy sell. I don't know about you guys, but
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  like that was like, I was like, sign me up.
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  Yeah, it added a really good framework to everything.
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  Yeah. And so it allows you to kind of
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  play around in your own head of like, OK, I know the story of
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  Alice in Wonderland. How are they going to use those
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  reference points in the show as I'm watching?
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  You know, what's going to be called out?
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  What's going to be an Easter egg for that story that you already
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  know? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Even them playing each game is a different card, a different suit
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  or whatever. And all of that like plays into
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  like the overarching theme of Alison.
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  They're referencing Alice in Wonderland.
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  That in itself is a huge reference like so.
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  Yeah, the structure too is like you meet like somebody called
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  Hatter, so you kind of know. Had the Mad Hatter.
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  Character, there's like a good like parallel to it, so you kind
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  of know where you're headed. You kind of know, I, I really
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  liked it because it's like it gives you more of a track than
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  something like Squid Game would, because you're like, OK, after a
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  while you're like, all right, where's this going?
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  Like who's setting this gives you like, OK, well, we haven't
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  met the queen yet. We haven't met the Hatter yet.
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  We haven't met, you know, I mean.
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  Exactly. I like that framework a lot.
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  Yeah, I loved it. And you mentioned Squid Game
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  like twice now. If you don't know, like Miguel
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  is on the Squid Game review episodes.
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  If you want to scroll back in your podcast feed, you can
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  listen to our raw thoughts from back in the day.
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  Squid Game season one. I'm definitely trying to have
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  you back for Squid. Squid Game season 2, which comes
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  out I think Christmas Day or the day after Christmas this year,
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  Season 2 is dropping, so that's exciting.
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  But I had someone in my DMS also come in there and was like, I
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  think that Alice in Borderland is better than Squid Game.
• 21:44
  So you're the only. Person to watch Squid Game?
• 21:46
  Yeah, I'm going to let you guys talk that one out because I've
• 21:49
  never seen Squid Game. Right.
• 21:51
  Rico's not seen Squid Game yet. I'm sure in his lifetime he will
• 21:54
  see it, but. Is it better?
• 22:00
  You know what it is, though? It's kind of like it.
• 22:02
  It begs a comparison, right? But then it's kind of like
• 22:05
  trying to compare God. I don't know the divergent
• 22:08
  series to Hunger Games. Like you kind of can compare
• 22:12
  them, but not really like but. Hunger Games wins in that case,
• 22:15
  so it's. Not Oh, yeah, that's true.
• 22:16
  That's not. Yeah.
• 22:17
  All right. Sorry.
• 22:19
  Like. This this isn't really a spoiler
• 22:22
  for Squid Game. And if it is, well, you've had
• 22:25
  like five years to watch it. I don't know, like figure it
• 22:27
  out. But like I was on board until
• 22:30
  the Ronald McDonald wig. When the Ronald McDonald wig
• 22:33
  shows up, I was so incredibly out.
• 22:37
  I was so unbelievably out. But I think looking past that, I
• 22:42
  kind of like I kind of like Alice in Borderlands games
• 22:44
  better. Like, I like the games in this
• 22:46
  series better because they're more like they don't know what's
• 22:49
  going on. We don't know what's going on.
• 22:51
  Squid Games more like, oh, it's scary because it's like
• 22:53
  hopscotch, but you're going to like, I don't know, fall on a
• 22:56
  pile of broken glass. This was more like, they're kind
• 23:00
  of games that you know, but you. That's not a real game in the
• 23:03
  Squid Games. I remember I, but I you know
• 23:06
  what I mean. Like it's.
• 23:07
  A child game you played Jax? But I also want to like prefaces
• 23:10
  to say like. None of this is spoiling squid.
• 23:13
  No, none of the, none of this. I think that's another thing.
• 23:15
  Like it, it actually works out this way 'cause you know it.
• 23:18
  They're childhood games. So it's like, oh, it's like
• 23:22
  games you used to play, but now scary.
• 23:24
  Alice in Borderland kind of does that, but they put you in very
• 23:28
  disorienting, terrifying situations that remove it from
• 23:32
  the novelty of like, oh, we're playing tag and if I hit you,
• 23:37
  you explode. Like there's more to it than
• 23:39
  that. And there's so much more of a
• 23:41
  brain teaser element. Three or four games and you have
• 23:44
  to think really critically about what it is they're asking you to
• 23:46
  do. I, I, I think I might like at,
• 23:50
  at the very least from that aspect, I really like Alice in
• 23:54
  Borderland a lot more. Like the games are way more
• 23:56
  interesting to me than what was happening in Squid Game I.
• 24:00
  Think I liked Alice in Borderland more only because I
• 24:06
  didn't need cultural like you needed to know a lot about
• 24:12
  Korean culture and those games to understand like what the game
• 24:15
  was that they were playing or what even is like Dalgona and
• 24:19
  like what, what is that that they're doing?
• 24:21
  So there was a little more, there was a research threshold
• 24:25
  that you had to cross to appreciate the show.
• 24:28
  And in this one it was like, oh, we're playing chess like it was,
• 24:32
  it was very simple, like I said, to understand globally
• 24:38
  recognized games, I think. And it was a.
• 24:41
  Little that makes sense. Easier to come at it.
• 24:45
  Also I love the fantasy element. I I just I don't know if you
• 24:50
  guys know this about me. I am a huge fan of Alice in
• 24:52
  Wonderland. That was like a favorite movie
• 24:53
  growing up as a child, the Disney Alice in Wonderland.
• 24:56
  And I've always been a fan of fantasy.
• 25:00
  You know this about me for sure, the fantasy element.
• 25:03
  I'm a Lord of the Rings girly through and through.
• 25:05
  And so any time these things mash up, I'm there like I'm
• 25:13
  first in line. So this really hits some of the
• 25:17
  right buttons for me. I've said this on other reviews,
• 25:20
  I have a little violent heart. So I did not feel like the
• 25:24
  violence was as gruesome as maybe some other people did.
• 25:28
  And it's because I'm desensitized.
• 25:31
  I'm, I'm sorry, I'm desensitized.
• 25:33
  I was coming at this from like a Tarantino battle Royale of
• 25:38
  scale. And that's a really harsh scale.
• 25:42
  So in my mind, I'm like, it was, it was really brutal, but it
• 25:46
  wasn't that bad, you know? I love battle Royale though.
• 25:51
  I forgot. Oh yeah, no.
• 25:53
  That movie's so great. Another classic Japanese film.
• 25:56
  So anyway, Long story short, I really liked it and it's not for
• 26:01
  everyone. It is very demented, it's very
• 26:04
  sadistic. The games are not friendly but
• 26:07
  it they are easy to understand. Yeah.
• 26:10
  Oh yeah, they are for sure. Because like you can look at any
• 26:15
  game and be like, Oh, I know exactly what's happening here.
• 26:18
  Like there's no, there's no like what what's happening?
• 26:22
  Like everything is pretty much like tag a guessing game a, you
• 26:28
  know, whatever it is, it's, it's very simple in that nature,
• 26:33
  which which is good for the audience because you don't want
• 26:36
  to overcomplicate things for any audience.
• 26:39
  You want to make sure that they understand the rules really
• 26:41
  quick. So that way you could get to the
• 26:43
  action and people understand, oh, if this person doesn't do
• 26:46
  this, then this happens. You know, like you want for the
• 26:50
  audience to be quick on understanding what's happening.
• 26:55
  Yeah, you don't want to waste time on doing that on
• 26:57
  exposition. This show reminded me of The
• 26:59
  Matrix a lot. I don't know if you were getting
• 27:02
  Matrix vibes, especially because The Matrix also uses Alice in
• 27:05
  Wonderland as. A.
• 27:07
  Structure for the movie or like as a reference for the movie.
• 27:11
  At least in the first one, it's very heavy-handed with like,
• 27:14
  follow the white rabbit, Neo. And you know, yeah, it is
• 27:18
  follows this girl with a white rabbit tattoo.
• 27:20
  And like it all gets going. One pill makes you smaller, one
• 27:23
  makes you bigger. Like.
• 27:25
  Yeah, I haven't you. Don't have to think of it.
• 27:26
  I haven't seen. I haven't seen the Matrix since
• 27:29
  it came out. When he takes the red pill, he
• 27:31
  like looks to his right or something and there's a mirror
• 27:33
  there and he touches it and so it's through the looking glass.
• 27:37
  Alice going through the looking glass.
• 27:39
  It's. I didn't know that you were that
• 27:40
  big of a fan of Alice in Wonderland.
• 27:43
  Oh, yeah. It's like, yeah, like, like me
• 27:45
  too. Like, I love Alice in
• 27:46
  Wonderland. It's so good.
• 27:49
  Getting us back on track, this is the last question or thought
• 27:52
  that I had before. Maybe just wrapping up general
• 27:54
  things is someone also thought in my DM someone said that they
• 28:01
  thought K dramas were less violent and both of you guys
• 28:05
  have watched K drama, Not a ton of K dramas, but you guys have
• 28:08
  watched K dramas. Do you feel like that's true?
• 28:13
  From the ones that I've watched, I don't think I've seen one as
• 28:17
  gory as this, at least the ones that I've watched because you
• 28:21
  you have a list of the ones that I've seen, Jessica.
• 28:24
  And I don't think anything really is this far into
• 28:30
  violence, blood, gore. Like, I don't think it goes this
• 28:34
  far, at least the ones that I've seen.
• 28:36
  So in terms of that, yes, this is probably the most violent one
• 28:40
  that I've watched. Do you have thoughts, Miguel?
• 28:43
  I do, I think that as somebody like, I mean, I used to watch
• 28:47
  way more Japanese media than Korean media, but now it's kind
• 28:51
  of like awash, like I've watched enough of both.
• 28:53
  I think it, I think Japanese media in general is like
• 28:58
  endlessly more violent than Korean media in general just
• 29:02
  because there's like an, there's a couple of things like it's so
• 29:07
  there's this kind of sadism that runs through all Japanese
• 29:10
  horror. Like it's extremely sadistic,
• 29:12
  extremely psychological. But more than that, it's like
• 29:15
  they take a very cartoonish approach to it in live action
• 29:18
  stuff and movies and everything. And it's like heads exploding,
• 29:21
  people being decapitated, point blank shots.
• 29:24
  Like, I think it's more it's more violent in a more
• 29:28
  cartoonish way. Korean stuff, yeah.
• 29:32
  It it they Korean dramas can be very violent, but it's more in
• 29:35
  like a this person got mowed down by a car, this, you know,
• 29:39
  like someone's getting killed, like the typical very grounded,
• 29:42
  realistic way. But they're more like, like a
• 29:45
  lot of the Japanese stuff feels more like exploitation media.
• 29:48
  Like it's so over the top violent, you know what I mean?
• 29:51
  So I don't think I I think Japanese is more like Japanese
• 29:54
  media or Japanese dramas in general, from what I've seen are
• 29:57
  way more violent. What about you?
• 29:59
  Because you've seen a lot of Korean media.
• 30:03
  I would say that it's only in recent years when Netflix
• 30:06
  started investing in K dramas that we started getting some
• 30:12
  more violent K dramas. And it's really, it's almost
• 30:18
  like the HBO effect, right? Like this is a matter of like,
• 30:21
  you're changing the industry and Netflix doesn't have
• 30:26
  restrictions on what you can show on the platform.
• 30:30
  So shows like All of Us Are Dead, which is a zombie show
• 30:34
  about zombies, like taking over a high school and the high
• 30:37
  schoolers have to basically learn how to survive.
• 30:41
  That's a very violent, gruesome show.
• 30:43
  Kingdom is also of a zombie. It's Netflix K drama show and
• 30:48
  that one is actually very like almost prestige television, but
• 30:51
  it is super, super scary and gruesome as well.
• 30:55
  The glory, another Netflix darling, which you know, you had
• 31:00
  very intense scenes of bullying in that show, which you're on
• 31:03
  that episode as well, Miguel. I mean, you remember it was
• 31:06
  like. It was great, though.
• 31:08
  That was great television. But that was, it's weird, right?
• 31:12
  That that would be like, it's almost like that's the signpost
• 31:14
  of going global. Like a lot more Korean dramas.
• 31:18
  Like, correct me if I'm wrong, Korean dramas and Japanese
• 31:20
  dramas. We're going to see more of
• 31:22
  Japanese dramas because NHK just like struck a deal and so did
• 31:25
  Fuji TV with like we're going to get all these old dramas on
• 31:28
  Netflix, but they're also doing a few original ones starting
• 31:31
  later in the year. But like I've noticed even like
• 31:34
  with First Love and with a few, like they've gotten way more
• 31:37
  sexual. They've gotten way more like way
• 31:38
  more violent. They've gotten like, it's crazy
• 31:41
  because we don't really have an analog for that in terms of like
• 31:45
  there's no restriction on those dramas now, like you said,
• 31:48
  'cause it's on this platform, but it's like, did they get this
• 31:50
  way because they're on the platform or would they have
• 31:53
  gotten that way on a less censored network?
• 31:56
  You know what I mean? Like this emergence of just like
• 31:59
  more extreme themes across the board is really interesting.
• 32:03
  But you're right, they only. And we can't discount Squid Game
• 32:06
  either, but. Yeah.
• 32:09
  That became the first big phenomenon that it could have.
• 32:13
  It could have, well, not ramifications, but more of a big
• 32:18
  influence going forward in terms of how international shows
• 32:23
  decide to make their programming and how they, again, with
• 32:27
  Netflix also being kind of like, yeah, you could do anything
• 32:30
  here, pretty much. So yeah, I think that shows.
• 32:35
  Yeah, it's wide open now. So is there anything else you
• 32:39
  guys wanted to say generally about the show?
• 32:42
  Like, did you like Arisa as a character?
• 32:46
  He's our protagonist. Or Alice.
• 32:49
  Yeah, I enjoyed him as a character.
• 32:52
  I did enjoy him as being tactical, being resourceful,
• 32:59
  leaning on his gaming knowledge and just like that smarts that
• 33:04
  he has to try to figure out the games.
• 33:07
  And that's something that I really enjoyed as I was watching
• 33:10
  it is whenever a new game would come up, I would be like, OK, so
• 33:13
  how is Arizona gonna figure out how the game is played and how
• 33:18
  to win it? You know, his strategy was
• 33:21
  always like really cool to the point that even one of the
• 33:24
  characters like later on in the show basically is like his
• 33:29
  probably you can bet on him are you can bet on him.
• 33:31
  His probablys are. They're they're worth their
• 33:34
  weight in gold. So like, yeah, that's how cool
• 33:38
  it was to be able to see him figure out that stuff.
• 33:40
  So I really enjoyed the character.
• 33:41
  I thought it was pretty cool, like he was.
• 33:45
  I mean, he's alright basically for all the reasons that Rico
• 33:49
  mentioned, honestly, like I like that he took the time to
• 33:52
  actually figure stuff out instead of just running straight
• 33:55
  into the game. He's he's not really my favorite
• 33:59
  character honestly, but I like him.
• 34:03
  I think he's cool. I think he's a more, he's an
• 34:04
  interesting enough protagonist and like he just kept things
• 34:07
  moving pretty well. So I'm yeah, I like him.
• 34:10
  And his arc, his character arc and how he asks really tough
• 34:16
  questions throughout the show in the games did that.
• 34:20
  Work for you guys? Or was it kind of like I'm done?
• 34:24
  But only when they peeled back like his back story, because
• 34:28
  that's one thing that they took a while with her.
• 34:30
  I think we were, we were four episodes in before we started
• 34:34
  getting some back story. But once his arc became really
• 34:37
  apparent, I liked it, like it. It makes sense.
• 34:41
  It makes sense that he kind of what he did.
• 34:44
  I, I think my biggest qualm was, and this is probably almost like
• 34:49
  how I felt regular audience members would think is like it
• 34:53
  takes a while to get to its reveal.
• 34:57
  As to the why of it, that was my biggest question on the show is
• 35:02
  the why. Like all this action is cool,
• 35:05
  the games are great, why, Why is it happening?
• 35:10
  Who's controlling it, all that stuff.
• 35:13
  And I think the the show kind of takes its time getting there
• 35:17
  depending on your mileage, like it could either be a really cool
• 35:22
  tense, you know, build up to that, or it could be like, wow,
• 35:26
  they're kind of dragging their feet and not getting to that,
• 35:30
  which is what aerosol wants. But also the audience wants they
• 35:34
  want to know the back story, like why is this happening?
• 35:38
  And I, I was kind of teetering there as like the show's not
• 35:41
  getting there quick enough. They're they're doing everything
• 35:46
  just games, games, games, but not giving us even like a hook
• 35:50
  of like, oh, this could be the reason why that it's happening.
• 35:54
  And so that's what I would say is probably my my nitpick of the
• 35:58
  show. I actually like that, though.
• 36:01
  I actually did like that. Like I like that they were.
• 36:04
  It was something very elusive. I don't like it when a show is
• 36:07
  like Oh my God, do you guys remember Lost?
• 36:10
  Bro I was just about to bring it up.
• 36:12
  Yes, I watched it. But yes.
• 36:14
  Like it's like this moving target like every time because
• 36:17
  it's like Desipeta or rather like it.
• 36:19
  Like it gets on your nerves, you know what I mean?
• 36:21
  It's like, yes. Maybe This is why.
• 36:23
  No, that's not why. Maybe This is why.
• 36:25
  No, that no, I like that you were like in anguish and
• 36:28
  suffering with the characters, like they're experiencing like
• 36:31
  this complete and total devastation and they're in the
• 36:34
  dark like like you have to ask why, And I think that worked for
• 36:38
  me. I'd rather like be in it with
• 36:41
  them wondering why it's happening than to present a
• 36:44
  bunch of oh like and then it's a fake out like.
• 36:48
  And they make fun of that. They owe.
• 36:50
  Last episode. They're like.
• 36:54
  Oh, you want to know why? Here's why.
• 36:56
  Oh well, just kidding. Here's why.
• 36:57
  It gets philosophical and really dark really quickly too.
• 37:01
  If you I, I wonder if you guys kind of picked up on the pattern
• 37:03
  of the characters before the reveal, but I don't know if
• 37:07
  we're in the spoiler space yet, so no.
• 37:09
  No, no, we're not in the spoiler space yet.
• 37:11
  But I love that you talked about loss and mentioned it because I
• 37:14
  feel like that's a spiritual cousin to this show and maybe
• 37:19
  this this content as well as, you know, these characters going
• 37:24
  through like existential crises and surviving dire circumstances
• 37:30
  in the games. But then you also get thrown
• 37:32
  back into their backstories and flashback sequences throughout
• 37:37
  so that you better understand them.
• 37:39
  And you even get that from those characters that are leading the
• 37:43
  games, those that created that certain game, like the, you
• 37:48
  know, the King of Clubs or whatever, all these, all these
• 37:50
  people get some sort of back story.
• 37:53
  There's very few that don't. And the ones that don't are
• 38:00
  basically thriving in the games. Making a name for themselves in
• 38:03
  there. Yeah, they're the only
• 38:04
  characters that like, love and want to be in the games, or
• 38:10
  they're nihilists and they think life is meaningless.
• 38:14
  Then they're just like. Life doesn't matter, everything
• 38:18
  is going to shit so who cares? Right, right.
• 38:23
  Yeah. But mostly everybody else gets a
• 38:25
  back story. And I I thought it worked and I
• 38:30
  thought that eight episodes per season worked.
• 38:33
  And I know that Rico is not quite used to the length of
• 38:37
  these episodes, but the length didn't really bother me at all.
• 38:40
  Especially the first season, that was like my sweet spot
• 38:42
  because each episode was like 4750 minutes around there.
• 38:47
  And then the second season, they took it to a full hour.
• 38:50
  And then I was like, OK, you're at my Max now.
• 38:54
  It was like an hour, hour 10. Yeah, the last episode was an
• 38:59
  hour and 20 minutes. And I was like, oh hard.
• 39:03
  Oh, I know because I was on a time crunch because I I was
• 39:07
  watching the last three episodes.
• 39:09
  Hold on, let me see how long. And episode 6 was an hour 5,
• 39:15
  then 59 minutes for episode 7 and an hour 20 for episode 8.
• 39:19
  And I was like, oh God, I got it so.
• 39:22
  The Season 2 they bumped up the times on season 2, which I
• 39:28
  don't. I'm not sure if they necessarily
• 39:30
  needed to do that. I think they could have easily
• 39:33
  trimmed down 10 minutes off of each episode.
• 39:36
  It would have been fine. Maybe even better.
• 39:38
  Maybe even a better show, I don't know, but yeah.
• 39:41
  I'm all for brevity, so no. Yeah, like, me too.
• 39:44
  There were moments where, like they would drag out somebody
• 39:48
  walking from one spot to another.
• 39:50
  And it's like, let's help them out a little bit, just a little
• 39:53
  bit. You know, those little like,
• 39:55
  little things like that brings it down.
• 39:58
  And then we're we're on a good pace.
• 40:00
  Momentum keeps going the way it should be.
• 40:03
  In a show like this where action is key, you want momentum on
• 40:07
  your side. You don't want to stall the
• 40:09
  momentum. So.
• 40:10
  Yeah. All right, so I think we're
• 40:14
  ready to get into spoilers, but before we do, what would you
• 40:17
  give this show out of five soulju bottles?
• 40:20
  Or maybe sake sake. Or sake bottles.
• 40:24
  Yes, yes, yes. I think I am going to settle.
• 40:28
  Wait, Miguel said four. What?
• 40:31
  You both said four. I said 4.
• 40:34
  I said four, I'll give it 4. Out of five.
• 40:36
  I'll give it four out of five. Right.
• 40:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Four out of five.
• 40:39
  Four sake bottles out of five. Yeah, same.
• 40:43
  I'll give it four out of five. It's fours across the board
• 40:48
  because I, well, I'll go ahead and give a four and. 1/2 OK, OK,
• 40:53
  you needed to be. Just to be fresh.
• 40:56
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Just to be fresh, I'll give you
• 40:59
  4 1/2. I think I liked it better than
• 41:01
  than you guys. But four out of five is a really
• 41:05
  high score. I think that's really You guys
• 41:08
  really liked it, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I really enjoyed the
• 41:11
  show. I really enjoyed the ride that
• 41:14
  it was taking me on. Yeah.
• 41:16
  I'm really interested to talk about like some of the more you
• 41:20
  know, one of the some of the details if you're in spoilers
• 41:24
  once we get to it. Perfect.
• 41:26
  And that's exactly what we're going to do right after this.
• 41:30
  Excuse me, I can't tell. I can't tell you know.
• 41:35
  I have no tingle. Oh, sorry, swear.
• 41:38
  Discussing shirts. What?
• 41:44
  All right, we're on the other side of spoilers.
• 41:46
  We are going to spoil both seasons of Alice in Borderlands.
• 41:49
  So if you want to preserve your first watch, stop now and come
• 41:53
  back later to finish listening to the episode.
• 41:55
  And if you don't care about spoilers, then keep listening.
• 41:58
  All right, so in season one, we're going to start in season
• 42:01
  one. So season one, episode one, I
• 42:04
  lost my shit in the 1st 10 minutes because 10 minutes into
• 42:07
  this episode, they do this crazy wonder of them getting off the
• 42:11
  street in Shibuya and ducking into the subway station because
• 42:15
  the cops are onto them and they lock themselves inside a
• 42:17
  bathroom stall. All of this time they don't cut
• 42:20
  the camera, there's no cuts yet. And then them emerging from a
• 42:27
  suddenly totally empty bathroom, suddenly totally empty subway
• 42:32
  entrance and the intersection outside, which is super famous
• 42:36
  in Tokyo, completely empty. That whole sequence.
• 42:41
  I was like, we can stop right now.
• 42:43
  I I'm already locked in, totally locked into this show.
• 42:50
  You got me. So how did you guys feel about
• 42:52
  that? It was a very good introduction
• 42:55
  to the world like because it it provides enough interest and
• 42:59
  intrigue as to whoa, where did everybody go?
• 43:03
  How are you going to explain what happens to all these people
• 43:07
  out of nowhere? They're they disappeared.
• 43:10
  And I really enjoyed the aspect of walking out to Shibuya
• 43:16
  station and there's nobody. And so I had to look up how they
• 43:20
  did it just because like, this was it was throwing me off.
• 43:24
  I was like, there's no way they could have like gotten the
• 43:28
  people or the city of Shibuya, you know, to like, go ahead and
• 43:32
  just hey, for this day we're going to go, you know, film and
• 43:36
  we're going to shut off. So I had to look it up and like
• 43:41
  they did some pretty really good CGI stuff, but there was some
• 43:45
  practical stuff to it. But overall, I think it was a
• 43:48
  good way of just hooking you into the show.
• 43:51
  Yeah, yeah. I think so.
• 43:53
  So I think it was a really good nerve racking start.
• 43:55
  I love that it was only 1 take, but it also it puts you on edge
• 44:00
  immediately, like when they're running, when they realize, oh,
• 44:03
  everybody already crossed and all these cars are just flying
• 44:06
  by and they're just dodging them and like I loved it.
• 44:09
  It was so stressful. It's.
• 44:11
  Super stressful, yeah. And you think they're going to
• 44:13
  get run over and they duck into the station.
• 44:15
  Mowed down by a car and then when someone's like banging on
• 44:19
  the door. Yeah, I was thinking like
• 44:21
  someone's on the stall door, the stall, and no, no, no.
• 44:24
  It was such a great intro into They're in the Borderlands.
• 44:28
  No, So also I always will love the visual of people running
• 44:34
  through empty streets in a city in an urban environment.
• 44:38
  That will always be an amazing visual to me.
• 44:40
  It's always going to give Walking Dead episode one.
• 44:43
  It's always going to give 28 days Later.
• 44:45
  It's like, it is like such an impressive thing to do and they
• 44:49
  do it in the show. I love it.
• 44:52
  It's really cool. It's giving COVID.
• 44:54
  It's giving like March 30th, 2020.
• 44:57
  Stop. It in Times Square, all that.
• 44:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, but the one thing that I
• 45:02
  couldn't get over for like the entirety of the show, and then
• 45:04
  it was like explained at the end of the show and we'll talk about
• 45:07
  it later. But I was like, this is supposed
• 45:09
  to be set in 2021. Where the hell is the pandemic?
• 45:13
  Yeah, great question. Great question.
• 45:17
  Wishful thinking. Wish.
• 45:21
  No, I I think that they got to the point where they just were
• 45:26
  like. It's summer 2020.
• 45:28
  One right? We're just gonna ride around it.
• 45:32
  We're not gonna, we're not even gonna try to deal with like all
• 45:36
  of this that's happening in the world.
• 45:38
  We already have enough. That's in our show.
• 45:42
  We can't add this other element. No, but their first game.
• 45:47
  So their first game is in episode one.
• 45:49
  It is the three of clubs that they enter.
• 45:52
  This is a good game. I totally thought that his
• 45:57
  friends were going to last longer.
• 45:59
  In the grand scheme of the show. Were you guys under this
• 46:02
  impression as well? Like they make it.
• 46:04
  Through three. Clubs, which is really cool.
• 46:07
  He uses math basically Arista uses math to get out of the
• 46:14
  rooms and figure out that if they're in a square building and
• 46:18
  the length of the car that was outside is the same as his dad's
• 46:22
  car. So he knows like the exact, he
• 46:24
  measured the shit out of it. I mean, he just, it was, I
• 46:28
  thought it was going to be like that every game that he was
• 46:30
  going to have to use his math skills.
• 46:31
  They were showing his room in the 1st 10 minutes of the show
• 46:35
  and there were a lot of math books in his room.
• 46:39
  So I was like, oh, so he's like a mathematician.
• 46:41
  He's super smart is what I gathered.
• 46:44
  But that wasn't the case at all. Like that was just for that
• 46:46
  first game that he could math his way out of it.
• 46:50
  So episode 2 comes round, they got the 8 of Spades game which
• 46:55
  is tag, and this is when they find out that the suit of the
• 47:00
  playing card means what kind of game it's going to be.
• 47:02
  Clubs is a team battle, Diamond is you have to use your wits and
• 47:07
  then Spades is physical hearts, the worst one because you're
• 47:12
  playing with people's hearts and then tear them apart.
• 47:14
  It is something having to do with an emotional.
• 47:19
  It's just heinous. It's just absolute.
• 47:21
  Mind games all the way through. It's awful.
• 47:24
  It's awful, but that's when we find out the system to the
• 47:30
  playing cards. And then of course, the
• 47:32
  increasing numbers means increasing difficulty.
• 47:35
  Higher the number, higher the difficulty.
• 47:37
  I thought Shibuki, which was the female character who was in
• 47:41
  their group. In the first few episodes, I had
• 47:44
  a lot of issues with this character.
• 47:46
  Did you guys have a lot of issues with this character or
• 47:48
  were you just kind of like going with the flow with her?
• 47:51
  I just didn't trust her right off rip.
• 47:53
  Bro like. Yeah, like immediately I didn't
• 47:56
  trust her. I was like, like, why are you
• 47:58
  here? How are you?
• 48:00
  Who are you going to betray? When are you going to do it?
• 48:03
  Like immediately. Did you feel some kind of way,
• 48:06
  Rico? Like, was it just me and Miguel?
• 48:07
  Like who is this? I don't think I really felt
• 48:11
  anything towards her like crazy, like the way like you guys have.
• 48:16
  We read a lot into it. Yeah.
• 48:19
  And I do read as as strongly into her as as you guys did.
• 48:25
  I don't know, maybe I was just going with the ride or the flow
• 48:27
  of the show, but like it didn't really like grab hold of me or
• 48:31
  anything like. That, well, we're seeing a lot.
• 48:33
  I was just thinking like a video game, like, like, 'cause I was
• 48:37
  like, OK, like the first games, like a tutorial.
• 48:41
  In every video game, somebody shows up and they either get
• 48:43
  killed or they try to betray you.
• 48:45
  So immediately I was just like not trusting.
• 48:49
  So I was like ready for her to like, oh, OK, this is going to
• 48:51
  be the first person. And but then you know.
• 48:55
  So this is what, this is what I was like, really just so
• 48:59
  confused about her character and, and I'll save my piece and
• 49:02
  then we'll move on because there's a lot left of the show.
• 49:04
  This is like, in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't
• 49:05
  mean that much. But Shibuki says some people
• 49:08
  like being the strongest ones in their group.
• 49:10
  That makes them feel better. And I was like, Dang, like,
• 49:14
  that's the first little, like, philosophical nugget that we
• 49:16
  get. That's commenting on the human
• 49:19
  condition, right? Where she's hanging out with,
• 49:24
  like, the runt of the group. Like the third friend who got
• 49:28
  injured in the first game. He's saying, like, you know, my
• 49:31
  friends have always been stronger than me, and they've
• 49:33
  been such good friends to me and all this stuff.
• 49:35
  And she says that to him. And I was like, is she trying to
• 49:40
  break up the band? Like I was like what is this
• 49:42
  bitch saying so? Which she kind of felt like she
• 49:44
  was, yeah. She's just like that, Yeah.
• 49:47
  They want to feel superior and stronger to you, so that's why
• 49:50
  they keep you around. And I was like, what the fuck?
• 49:53
  Then she goes on to clearly seduce him.
• 49:58
  Like she's ingratiating herself with this weaker character.
• 50:04
  And I was like to what end? Like I was so confused.
• 50:06
  Like because he's not a good ally.
• 50:09
  Like he's clearly injured. He can't do anything in the
• 50:11
  games anymore, so why would? He.
• 50:15
  Right. So I, I could not understand why
• 50:18
  she was doing this. He's not formidable in the game.
• 50:22
  It's not a a strategic. Ally, I didn't get it.
• 50:25
  So I thought, oh, she's doing all of this to kill him.
• 50:29
  Why? I was like, why have sex with a
• 50:32
  virgin? Why deflower this sadly damaged
• 50:35
  dude who has clearly a complicated relationship with
• 50:38
  sex due to his own religious trauma and watching his mother
• 50:42
  pay to go in to have sex with this crusty cult leader.
• 50:46
  I was like, is she OK? Like I was like, she's a
• 50:49
  villain. So I was like, either she's a
• 50:52
  villain and trying to kill him, or she's just a nymphomaniac and
• 50:56
  trying to like get it out of her system.
• 50:59
  And either way, it was so manipulative to me.
• 51:03
  I don't, I just didn't get it. I honestly didn't.
• 51:06
  And that was, that was one of the first situations where I was
• 51:09
  like, OK, like we need to kind of like move this along because
• 51:12
  there's going to be like, right. Yeah, like there's this
• 51:16
  character, bro, they Juke us with this character because
• 51:19
  Episode 3 comes in, we get our first Hearts game, it's the
• 51:23
  Seven of Hearts game, it's the hide and seek game, and this is
• 51:28
  where the friends die and Shibuki so.
• 51:32
  That took me. Out bro, this was a bad, bad
• 51:36
  episode. Not bad as in like I didn't like
• 51:38
  the episode. Bad as in like, you're wrecked?
• 51:40
  Yeah, I mean, he just, I like, I like the way that this episode
• 51:45
  really set up how the rest of the show was going to be like.
• 51:48
  You don't First, I like the misdirection because they do.
• 51:52
  They do a hide and seek game, but it's like sheep and sheep
• 51:55
  and wolf type of thing. 3 sheep, one wolf and like the whole it
• 52:01
  it's just a reverse order thing. The wolf should be hiding
• 52:03
  because if he can run out the time, the sheep will explode.
• 52:07
  And he'll win. So I like that there was that
• 52:09
  kind of turnabout to it. It kept things interesting
• 52:12
  instead of forcing somebody. It's like that really shows how
• 52:16
  it really established the whole like messing with your heart
• 52:19
  thing. It's like, well, you have to run
• 52:21
  away from these people knowing that they're going to explode
• 52:25
  and die. Like, you know what I mean?
• 52:27
  Just. Their deaths are definitely on
• 52:30
  your hands because at any. Point they're on.
• 52:32
  You could have sawed them out and you could have looked them
• 52:35
  in their eyes. Exactly.
• 52:36
  And I mean, that's layered too, right?
• 52:38
  Like. Eyes window to the.
• 52:40
  Soul someone in the face, like, hey, look at me and look at what
• 52:44
  you're going to do to me instead.
• 52:45
  And like, there's a commentary in there somewhere about how we
• 52:48
  could look away and everybody suffers.
• 52:49
  And but I like the No, I didn't like, I like his friends seem
• 52:53
  pretty like pretty cool characters.
• 52:55
  I wanted. I would have liked to see more
• 52:56
  of them, honestly. Yeah, But I do.
• 53:00
  I mean, you know what? For as long as the show, when we
• 53:05
  could have had them for at least two more episodes, honestly,
• 53:09
  especially considering some of the stuff that happens later.
• 53:11
  But the shock value of like, no, they're dead.
• 53:14
  Like that's it. Like we're going to keep going.
• 53:16
  I think it was important that they do that to establish how
• 53:19
  relentless the world they're in is.
• 53:22
  I personally wish that if, if you're going to do that of
• 53:28
  shocking your audience and losing critical characters, that
• 53:34
  you would have done it like in episode 7 before the finale,
• 53:39
  like really draw it out, really get your really get connected to
• 53:42
  these characters because in such a short season, only eight
• 53:46
  episodes in a season, you don't have as much time to develop the
• 53:51
  relationships with the characters that you're watching.
• 53:54
  And especially since a lot of people binge these shows, it,
• 53:58
  it's not as quick as like, Oh, I fell in love with this
• 54:02
  character. And that doesn't really happen
• 54:04
  all that often if you're binging a show and by hour 3, like a
• 54:09
  character dies who's supposed to be pivotal.
• 54:12
  But I've only been watching the show for three hours.
• 54:15
  I'm enjoying it. But like, that character death
• 54:17
  did not signify or did not become as impactful as it could
• 54:22
  have if you just draw it out a little bit more.
• 54:25
  So that way you have like, that shock going into the season
• 54:28
  finale. That is something that I think
• 54:31
  would have benefited the show because I think those characters
• 54:35
  are very good characters. So that's why I think they just
• 54:39
  missed out on that opportunity possibly.
• 54:41
  Yeah, they were really strong. And that's why I was so
• 54:43
  surprised that they killed him off in Episode 3.
• 54:47
  The scene of them counting down, you know, to the end of the game
• 54:52
  and the flashbacks of them, you know, cheering him up and just
• 54:56
  being young together. Heartbreaking.
• 55:00
  And then Artis screams and wails once.
• 55:05
  It happens once the the little bombs and their neck braces go
• 55:08
  off. He just wails until he's hoarse.
• 55:11
  And I mean that was. Yeah.
• 55:13
  And then cut to like, that's the end of the episode, credits
• 55:16
  rolling and I'm like, what the hell, Like you just they.
• 55:19
  Really know how to get you there?
• 55:20
  Yeah. I had to watch like 3 episodes
• 55:23
  of Family Guy to wipe that before bed.
• 55:25
  I saw that like at midnight and I'm just like, I'm not going to
• 55:28
  bed after this, I'll tell you that.
• 55:29
  Free like I'm just. Going to watch something else?
• 55:32
  To clear, you need a palate cleanser.
• 55:34
  After that, I was like, oh boy, that it was.
• 55:37
  It was well done though. It was, I mean.
• 55:40
  It was well done just so early, like done very early.
• 55:45
  And they give him, you know that that reason to live.
• 55:50
  And this is a a trope, right? Like when people are about to
• 55:54
  die, they're on their deathbed and they give you a mandate to
• 55:57
  live well, live in their place, you know, do what they couldn't
• 56:01
  do. The person who lives or survives
• 56:05
  definitely has to do what they said, like you have to do
• 56:09
  whatever a dying person wishes for.
• 56:12
  You can't waste the life. No, exactly.
• 56:14
  Literally no. So you knew that he was going to
• 56:17
  suffer for the loss but also use it as fuel to live, right?
• 56:24
  I think that's that was the purpose of it in the plot.
• 56:28
  But I still think the characters were super strong and it was
• 56:34
  hard to let go of them. So we get to episode 4.
• 56:38
  It is the four of clubs game, the distance one this one I
• 56:42
  could have done without this game.
• 56:44
  I got to be quite honest with you.
• 56:45
  This is the one where they're in the tunnel and they.
• 56:47
  Just like run. In One Direction away from the
• 56:52
  goal basically, and then there is a flood that happens in this
• 56:59
  tunnel. Just towards the yeah at the end
• 57:01
  of the tunnel. It it was probably the weakest
• 57:04
  game out of all watching the show.
• 57:07
  Like there's so much that they could have done.
• 57:09
  Panther at one point that was mauling.
• 57:12
  Like I heard the growling and I was like, are they even about to
• 57:15
  like just have like a a wolf in here?
• 57:17
  Right, right. And it was a Panther or
• 57:19
  whatever. And I was just like, this is
• 57:23
  this is not the strongest game so far in this show, right?
• 57:27
  I think the reveal was one of my favorites though, like it's it
• 57:31
  was a weak game. The Panther was just like, OK,
• 57:33
  like, all right, but you know, everything now I'm thinking
• 57:38
  about everything comes back to just the pacing of the show
• 57:40
  because they they could have used.
• 57:43
  I love the review that they get to the other end and it's like,
• 57:46
  oh, we're running away from the goal.
• 57:48
  Like, 'cause it didn't give them a plus, it didn't give them a
• 57:50
  minus. I found that really interesting
• 57:52
  because it's like, oh, this like this world means business.
• 57:55
  If you didn't know it already, like nothing's going to be what
• 57:57
  you expect. Nothing's.
• 57:59
  And I don't know, I liked it, but I feel like they could have
• 58:02
  used all that time in that episode to establish, you know
• 58:07
  what I mean? Like I feel like they didn't use
• 58:08
  that time to it's potential considering it was an hour long
• 58:12
  episode and that was the only game that was in it.
• 58:15
  I mean, he he really the purpose of that episode was to meet the
• 58:19
  white Rabbit Usagi and fair hurt to basically save him from just
• 58:25
  dying out in the elements and. Letting.
• 58:27
  Starfish take him but then they do this for of clubs game and
• 58:32
  that's their first game together.
• 58:33
  Yes. Still not my favorite game.
• 58:36
  Anyway, we get to episode 5 and they find the beach and I was
• 58:41
  having flashbacks of Leonardo Dicaprio's beach movie.
• 58:47
  Do you have you guys watched that movie?
• 58:49
  I remember that. Yeah, I.
• 58:50
  Remember OK like this isolated cult that leads a utopia esque
• 58:54
  existence. As much sex, drugs and alcohol
• 58:57
  as you want. No locks on the doors, no
• 58:58
  secrets. You just can't really tell other
• 59:02
  people about the beach. I was like, oh, this is the
• 59:06
  beach, only not the beach. The rules were nuts.
• 59:13
  I mean, the scene of them meeting the Mad Hatter is a
• 59:16
  really. I thought that was a great scene
• 59:19
  of them being threatened to basically join the beach or you
• 59:25
  die. You share all the cards you earn
• 59:28
  or you die. You know, you get this concept
• 59:33
  of if we collect all of the cards, we might get out.
• 59:38
  How did you, how did you guys feel about that like?
• 59:42
  Of collecting the cards and getting out or the beach.
• 59:44
  No collecting the cards and getting out.
• 59:46
  I thought it made sense. I like I was with Arisa, like I
• 59:48
  was like, there's some logic to it that if we, if you collect or
• 59:55
  win the games, survive. To the.
• 1:00:00
  Game you get to get out. Yeah, there's logic to it.
• 1:00:03
  And I think that them working together as a unit to collect
• 1:00:08
  the cards made sense. Now getting to the end and
• 1:00:12
  they're like, OK, so who gets to who gets to present the card?
• 1:00:15
  That was hysterical. To me, if that is the case, that
• 1:00:18
  it's like, yeah, so, oh, right, only one of us can leave, not
• 1:00:23
  all of us. It was.
• 1:00:26
  Like yes I'm the one that gets to leave.
• 1:00:31
  The mad Hatter was like mad as fuck bro.
• 1:00:33
  Like he was when he showed up in a kimono in board shorts.
• 1:00:38
  I was like I could not love this show more right now.
• 1:00:41
  Like the Mad Hatter is mad. Shit was wild.
• 1:00:46
  Everybody has to wear bathing suits at the beach.
• 1:00:48
  I was like. That way it doesn't like.
• 1:00:52
  Nobody. Can hide A weapon.
• 1:00:54
  Right. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:55
  So it's the thing that cracked me and a friend of mine up about
• 1:00:59
  the beach is that there's this anime trope called the beach
• 1:01:02
  episode. And it's like, yeah, like it's
• 1:01:06
  every, every anime has a beach episode.
• 1:01:08
  It's it's usually non canonical. It has extra humor in it.
• 1:01:12
  Like we're talking like. We're talking like.
• 1:01:16
  It is like normally like it's like, hey, let's go to the beach
• 1:01:19
  today. So it's like Dragon Ball has
• 1:01:20
  one, Salem one, like all of them have one, and it's all these
• 1:01:24
  characters are at the beach. So you'll have all the heroes
• 1:01:26
  there and then the villains will be there like buying ice cream
• 1:01:28
  or doing something innocuous. And it's really just a
• 1:01:31
  fanservice Y way of getting all the characters into their
• 1:01:34
  bathing suits. So when they got to the beach,
• 1:01:37
  I'm like, don't tell me this is the beach episode.
• 1:01:39
  But no, it turned into a plot. So I was like, OK, I guess we're
• 1:01:43
  at the beach now. And that, I mean, OK.
• 1:01:48
  I do like it, though, because it added like this creepiness that
• 1:01:50
  reminded me of like, Battle Royale, Suicide Club.
• 1:01:53
  They're all like, Oh yeah, let's play the next game.
• 1:01:56
  Like, And then they're all just being killed off anyway.
• 1:01:59
  Yeah. It was like a fun contrast, like
• 1:02:02
  everyone running straight to their death but trying to have a
• 1:02:04
  good time. And I mean, some.
• 1:02:05
  I liked it. It was interesting.
• 1:02:08
  I have. So episode 6 and seven, my notes
• 1:02:11
  are combined for these two episodes.
• 1:02:13
  You have this ploy to get all the cards because the Oh my God
• 1:02:19
  I forgot his name. But the big dude in a wife
• 1:02:24
  beater kills his best friend the Hatter and takes over the beach.
• 1:02:30
  And it's only a matter of time before the beach self destructs
• 1:02:33
  because basically all the rapists and murderers are now in
• 1:02:37
  charge. This guy like Oh my God, it's
• 1:02:41
  GCUI think is his name. Oh, Chisia.
• 1:02:45
  Chisia. Chisia, the blonde guy.
• 1:02:48
  Yes. Is it helpful if I just call him
• 1:02:50
  the? Blonde with the blonde dude.
• 1:02:51
  The Michael Jackson looking one that never smiles like.
• 1:02:55
  Yes, him, yeah. So.
• 1:02:59
  That guy was like a trope and 1/2 he cracked me up.
• 1:03:02
  Like I was like, no. So this guy to see slash Michael
• 1:03:09
  Jackson over here, the blonde guy, I called him a weasel in my
• 1:03:14
  notes because he tricks Adisa to steal the beach's cards and then
• 1:03:19
  he takes them for himself and Adisa gets like pummeled and
• 1:03:24
  thrown in a room to wait out the rest of his visa and basically
• 1:03:27
  get lasered, right? But then, plot twist, the beach
• 1:03:32
  becomes an arena. I loved this twist.
• 1:03:36
  That was so good. That was great, yeah.
• 1:03:39
  That was great 'cause it was the first time that it's like, I
• 1:03:42
  loved it because it was the first time.
• 1:03:44
  And now that we know, you know, kind of who was in charge of the
• 1:03:46
  game in a roundabout way, like it was the first time, it's
• 1:03:50
  like, OK, Audrey Sue's there now.
• 1:03:52
  Cool. Let's lock this shit down.
• 1:03:54
  Like, your little sanctuary's over.
• 1:03:56
  Like, you're gonna fight there. Like, you can't just hide at
• 1:03:59
  this resort. Like, that was so terrifying.
• 1:04:02
  And the fact that, like, Hikaru almost walked through it.
• 1:04:06
  Yes. Like, yeah.
• 1:04:07
  And. And they just, like, threw a pen
• 1:04:09
  and it just blew up. And they're like, Oh, no.
• 1:04:12
  Right, right. Terrifying.
• 1:04:13
  I know, I know. Oh, but this is also like around
• 1:04:16
  the time we didn't even talk about these two characters.
• 1:04:19
  We talked about MJ for a minute, but we didn't talk about the
• 1:04:23
  train. We didn't talk about Hikati
• 1:04:25
  Slash in. I think I also the name is
• 1:04:29
  Queena. Queena.
• 1:04:31
  Oh, the train characterist, yes. Yes, which I.
• 1:04:35
  Yes, yes, yes, yes. Loved that storyline.
• 1:04:38
  Iconic. So good storyline on that one.
• 1:04:40
  Damn good back story and storyline and I love that
• 1:04:43
  character so kick ass. She might be probably my
• 1:04:47
  favorite character outside of The Who is this girl The one who
• 1:04:52
  was the the autopsy girl? The Anne, The yes Anne.
• 1:04:57
  I loved Anne too. Oh, we'll just call her CSI.
• 1:04:59
  Forensic whatever. Yeah.
• 1:05:01
  CSI. Yeah, because she was like part
• 1:05:03
  of CSI. That was her day job.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah, so we got girl. CSI was, so we got hold on, so
• 1:05:08
  we got CSI for Anne. We have Michael Jackson, we had
• 1:05:15
  obviously, we have Arisot, who's Alice, and then we have the
• 1:05:18
  White Rabbit. As for Saggy, yeah, the.
• 1:05:24
  Guy wearing the wife Peter. The guy wearing the.
• 1:05:27
  Wife Peter for damn. What is his name?
• 1:05:31
  Aguna. I am blanking on his name.
• 1:05:32
  Aguna. That's what it was.
• 1:05:34
  Aguna. Aguna.
• 1:05:35
  Thank you, Aguni. Yes.
• 1:05:37
  Is wife. Peter.
• 1:05:38
  I mean, I kind of was referencing him as basically the
• 1:05:41
  rapist. Oh yeah, he's the rapist.
• 1:05:43
  He's Nidagi. The guy with the yeah, Nidagi,
• 1:05:46
  that's how I was referring to him because I was like, this guy
• 1:05:49
  just wants to. Which is the villain that is
• 1:05:52
  burnt in Nightmare on Elm Street?
• 1:05:55
  Freddy Krueger. Freddy Krueger.
• 1:05:56
  OK, I was referencing as him as Freddy Krueger.
• 1:05:59
  Like especially in season. Two.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah, because he. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:02
  So Freddy Krueger slash the. Rap.
• 1:06:04
  I love how they tried to give him a back story of like, well
• 1:06:06
  he was. Bull bro bro bro bro.
• 1:06:07
  OK, we'll talk about it. OK, OK, OK.
• 1:06:09
  No adjust. Location.
• 1:06:12
  So I loved the trans character. I was on the fence about MJ for
• 1:06:20
  most of the show until season two.
• 1:06:22
  I think season 2 we'll talk about like what happens to him
• 1:06:25
  in his back story that they finally revealed because I was
• 1:06:27
  like, they went for it there and then the rapist.
• 1:06:31
  So we have to talk about the rapist now, though, because he
• 1:06:33
  almost rapes the white rabbit Usagi just before the beach
• 1:06:38
  becomes the arena. Exactly.
• 1:06:40
  Like they were holding her down and shit.
• 1:06:41
  Like I was like pressed. I was like, we need to freaking
• 1:06:45
  like send a laser down now, like for this guy, right?
• 1:06:49
  Because and he was doing all this tongue shit with the tongue
• 1:06:52
  ring. Out the Queen of Hearts was not
• 1:06:54
  an ally. Like she should have just
• 1:06:55
  lasered the shit out of him right there.
• 1:06:57
  Like it's always with the sexual violence, with these.
• 1:07:01
  Shows I know but like finally nothing happens thank God but
• 1:07:04
  like holy shit I was like we are not.
• 1:07:08
  It was pretty bad. It was bad.
• 1:07:10
  I was I was shaking. I.
• 1:07:11
  Was like, how far is this going to go?
• 1:07:12
  I was just like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:15
  Fast forward, because it was, I mean it was demented, but
• 1:07:21
  anyway. So the beach becomes an arena.
• 1:07:22
  We play A10 of Hearts game. I love this game.
• 1:07:26
  I love this game, the one where home girl is like stabbed.
• 1:07:29
  Or yeah, yeah, this is the witch.
• 1:07:30
  Hunt. Yeah, the witch hunt.
• 1:07:31
  Yeah, I love that. I love that game.
• 1:07:33
  So you liked it? I love that game.
• 1:07:35
  I. Don't know if I liked it.
• 1:07:36
  Because it was so. This is the one that actually
• 1:07:40
  got me into that mode of like just kind of being upset just
• 1:07:44
  because like, it's just straight up just like people just gunning
• 1:07:48
  down people. And I kind of like, I kind of
• 1:07:52
  felt like this way of like this is a little too real, at least
• 1:07:57
  for me. The it's just obviously it's a
• 1:07:59
  show and I and I get it, but like when there's just people
• 1:08:03
  like running down the halls and then you see them just.
• 1:08:05
  Like there was like a level of senseless violence when it comes
• 1:08:09
  to the mowing down. Of people.
• 1:08:13
  People gaming gamers in this show, that didn't sit right with
• 1:08:17
  me because there was they're not playing at that point.
• 1:08:20
  They're there's no level of skill involved in this.
• 1:08:22
  They're just running for their lives.
• 1:08:25
  They're just running for their lives.
• 1:08:26
  That's the one thing that I was just like, this doesn't feel
• 1:08:29
  like a game. This one's just we're going to
• 1:08:32
  kill everyone. That's that's kind of how it
• 1:08:34
  felt. I mean, the motive kind of tries
• 1:08:36
  to like make up for that, right? Because because Life Beater was
• 1:08:40
  the one that was like, I'm just going to kill everybody here
• 1:08:42
  because their adoration of the Mad Hatter was what drove him to
• 1:08:48
  madness. And to start these foul policies
• 1:08:53
  of like loyalty or you die, give up your card.
• 1:08:57
  On the nose take of a witch hunt, like let's just kill
• 1:09:00
  everybody like it's you know what it was, though, I think I
• 1:09:04
  can nail down what made it a bit like it was not only were people
• 1:09:08
  getting gunned down like point blank, and that was jarring by
• 1:09:11
  itself. What got me was you remember
• 1:09:13
  when like they show the victims running down the halls like
• 1:09:17
  through CCTV and it's like so similar to the thing like we see
• 1:09:21
  this on the news all the time. So it's like I'm watching this.
• 1:09:25
  I'm like, Oh my God, like this is all too it's way too much.
• 1:09:29
  But at the same time, did you guys, did you guys, did you
• 1:09:34
  solve this one right away, though?
• 1:09:35
  No, because I had this one like right off ramp.
• 1:09:38
  What you guess you guessed that it was a it was a suicide.
• 1:09:44
  Yes, this was very it was very, you know, spoiler alert, it's a
• 1:09:48
  70 year old episode, but like monsters are due on Maple street
• 1:09:52
  of twilight zone. Like right off ramp.
• 1:09:54
  I was like home girl stabbed herself like because it's a
• 1:09:58
  witch hunt. It it's a baseless angry mob
• 1:10:02
  killing everyone insight with little to no evidence.
• 1:10:04
  I'm like, she stabbed herself and that would like immediately.
• 1:10:08
  And that's why I love the way that the episode unfolded
• 1:10:10
  because it's also like, I was like, all right, there's like
• 1:10:13
  1413 episodes left. There are way too many extras to
• 1:10:16
  pay. Like they're going to have to
• 1:10:18
  start like calling this. Case you thought the budget was
• 1:10:21
  too high. Yeah, I was like, immediately I
• 1:10:24
  was like, it was her. She did it to herself.
• 1:10:26
  Whatever. I didn't know how they were
• 1:10:27
  going to figure it out. But then, you know, and CSI she
• 1:10:33
  checks like the prints using some kind of paste that she
• 1:10:35
  forms out of like the glue whiteout and some glue.
• 1:10:39
  And you know, the fingerprints are I, I was living for this one
• 1:10:43
  because I knew it was her. I was just trying to figure out
• 1:10:46
  how they were going to figure it out.
• 1:10:48
  It was so obvious. I thought it was a goonie.
• 1:10:50
  I did. Not get that.
• 1:10:52
  And then like halfway through this witch hunt, I was like,
• 1:10:56
  it's too easy if it's a goonie. So then I didn't have it at all.
• 1:10:59
  But I never guess it was a suicide.
• 1:11:02
  Oh yeah, neither did I I was not there also.
• 1:11:06
  I was like there here. Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:09
  It's gonna she stabbed herself in the place where it would hurt
• 1:11:12
  the least, you know what I mean? It's not like with how brutal
• 1:11:15
  all the killings have been in the show, like, you know what I
• 1:11:19
  mean? It was just kind of sticking out
• 1:11:21
  of her shoulder. It was not a shoulder shot.
• 1:11:24
  It was. It was in her chest.
• 1:11:25
  It was. It was like right here.
• 1:11:26
  Like it was like here, like just, yeah, whatever.
• 1:11:30
  The point is, it was really engaging.
• 1:11:32
  I really, I really liked this. It was like horrifying and
• 1:11:35
  disgusting, but it was also really engaging.
• 1:11:37
  I really liked. It I didn't like that Aguni like
• 1:11:41
  killed hundreds of people basically.
• 1:11:44
  Or or triple digits at the very least.
• 1:11:47
  Yeah, they they kill he. Killed a ton of people and then
• 1:11:50
  they bring him back for season 2 and I was like what?
• 1:11:52
  So. Like why did?
• 1:11:54
  How the fuck did he live like #1?
• 1:11:58
  Right. That was my when they brought
• 1:12:00
  him back and I saw him and I was like.
• 1:12:02
  How was he he got shot like multiplied like Mitagi The
• 1:12:04
  rapist shot him multiple times with a with a gun.
• 1:12:08
  I was shocked when he came back in season 2 and then Mitagi was
• 1:12:14
  getting. Shot at while charging into a
• 1:12:15
  gun. Yeah, he was.
• 1:12:16
  Charging the gun. He was charging at the rapist.
• 1:12:20
  Like, I know he's an SDF or like some kind of Secret Service or
• 1:12:23
  whatever, but there's no excuse for that.
• 1:12:24
  Like he's not a horse. Like he's like running straight
• 1:12:28
  into this gun, like blasting. Like I couldn't figure out.
• 1:12:31
  I couldn't. Figure it out.
• 1:12:32
  I was looking for signs that he was struggling with the injuries
• 1:12:36
  in season 2, no? We we'll get to it later
• 1:12:39
  obviously, but I thought he got shot in the head in season 2 and
• 1:12:43
  this dude was still like rolling around alive.
• 1:12:45
  Oh no, yeah, he got like grazed. Yeah, he was like grazing.
• 1:12:49
  But damn, like I didn't understand a goonie at all.
• 1:12:54
  That guy living. I didn't understand Niragi the
• 1:12:57
  rapist living at all. When he showed up in season 2, I
• 1:13:00
  had to pause the shows. I was laughing so hard.
• 1:13:03
  It's like. I was like get the fuck out of
• 1:13:05
  here. Like this guy is still on two
• 1:13:07
  feet. Like you're joking.
• 1:13:08
  Right, exactly. And like the sword bitch, like
• 1:13:11
  definitely like he went, he went down like if anything, what was
• 1:13:14
  that guy? Oh, oh, Oh well, oh, we have to
• 1:13:17
  talk about that scene. We'll get, we'll get.
• 1:13:18
  We have to talk about that scene before.
• 1:13:19
  We move on to episode eight, season one, yes, so but like he
• 1:13:23
  kind of Long story short, I think that making a Goonie and
• 1:13:28
  Nuragi survive to season 2 was like a swerve.
• 1:13:32
  Like I thought this is the most daydrop thing about this.
• 1:13:36
  Yeah. And I couldn't believe they did
• 1:13:39
  it for both of the characters. Maybe one, but both like I don't
• 1:13:43
  know, I, I, I didn't like that. I didn't like that.
• 1:13:47
  I'm like, we're like y'all should have.
• 1:13:49
  Been honestly. This makes no sense.
• 1:13:51
  They zagged on that like I was like, And then so the fight that
• 1:13:56
  you're talking about between the tattooed bald samurai stood.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah. And Kuena Hikari, well, do we
• 1:14:05
  have a nickname for her? At all the dreads, just hikati.
• 1:14:08
  OK, Hikati was nuts. That was amazing.
• 1:14:11
  I love that fight. That was good.
• 1:14:14
  That was good fight. That was a really good fight.
• 1:14:17
  Like I I do love it's so on the nose, but this was one of the
• 1:14:21
  few because this is one of the show started to put in those
• 1:14:24
  heavy like flashbacks and cutaways.
• 1:14:27
  But this was one of the ones I think that paid off the most out
• 1:14:31
  of the whole series because it was all about perspective.
• 1:14:35
  Like the sword dude is like this guy who obviously struggles with
• 1:14:38
  mental illness, but beyond that he just doesn't leave the house.
• 1:14:41
  I forget what they call it over there.
• 1:14:43
  Like Hikiko Kimori Hiko. Well, basically a person who
• 1:14:46
  just like, I might be butchering that, but basically they have a
• 1:14:50
  name for people who are essentially hermits.
• 1:14:52
  It's just like a Japanese version of a hermit.
• 1:14:54
  So he's a hermit and he hates himself and he hates everything.
• 1:14:59
  So that's why he is the way he is.
• 1:15:00
  But I love that they show Hikaru, you know, her dad
• 1:15:04
  teaching her before she transitioned, like how to fight
• 1:15:07
  and how to be all this stuff and her mother showing her how to
• 1:15:11
  love and everything. And she just tells him, you
• 1:15:13
  know, that's your problem. You run away from your past.
• 1:15:16
  I carry mine with me. I was.
• 1:15:17
  Like holy shit. My perspective, because the
• 1:15:20
  other guy is like running away and that's like he's like, I got
• 1:15:22
  these tattoos. Don't look into my eyes.
• 1:15:24
  I have swords. And no, she's like no.
• 1:15:27
  And even she said she's like, this is for you dad.
• 1:15:29
  Like she doesn't. She didn't care about the
• 1:15:31
  fallout. She didn't care that she was
• 1:15:32
  rejected, she took the best things that the best things that
• 1:15:36
  made her who she is because she knows that all came together.
• 1:15:39
  Exactly. And then took that shit and ran
• 1:15:42
  with it through the whole series.
• 1:15:44
  Love that stuff. It was so loved it one was
• 1:15:47
  trying to erase and forget his past and thriving in this game
• 1:15:50
  world because of that. And the other one reconciled
• 1:15:54
  with her past and faced it head on to survive in the game world.
• 1:15:59
  And I loved this fight. I loved the backstories and that
• 1:16:04
  was that was a really high point in the episode amongst all of
• 1:16:09
  like the killing, the senseless killing in the episode.
• 1:16:15
  It showed that there was still light in the world.
• 1:16:17
  I really like that. Like, no, we're, we're, we're
• 1:16:20
  getting out of this one alive type of deal.
• 1:16:22
  Right. Episode 8, the witch is
• 1:16:24
  revealed. It is Momoko.
• 1:16:26
  Like I can't remember the character's name, but she
• 1:16:28
  basically stabs herself like you said.
• 1:16:30
  And the dealers are also revealed.
• 1:16:33
  So now we have this other level to the games where there are
• 1:16:38
  people that are coerced into facilitating the games and they
• 1:16:43
  go into the subway station and follow in the footsteps of these
• 1:16:46
  girls who took videos of their travels around the games and
• 1:16:51
  basically documented their time in the Borderlands when they get
• 1:16:56
  down there. This What is this like station
• 1:16:59
  this? It's like a, it's kind of like a
• 1:17:02
  maintenance room inside of a station in the train station.
• 1:17:05
  So it's like a, it's like a broadcast.
• 1:17:08
  Station, this broadcast station, everyone's been killed.
• 1:17:12
  And Mita, the woman dressed in black who was on the executive
• 1:17:16
  team at the beach, pops up on the screen and she's like a
• 1:17:21
  fucking joke. Like she is the most cartoonish
• 1:17:25
  character. I couldn't.
• 1:17:26
  I couldn't with. This, when she comes up, pops up
• 1:17:28
  on the screen. I couldn't I that this is what
• 1:17:31
  really like you remember Fifth Harmony when they showed up
• 1:17:35
  without Kabila Cabela and she just like flies back.
• 1:17:37
  That did me to that did that to me to the show.
• 1:17:40
  Like I was sitting on my couch and I'm like, I literally said
• 1:17:44
  out loud, I was on a friend on the phone with a friend of mine.
• 1:17:47
  I'm like, you know what, if you guys aren't going to take this
• 1:17:48
  shit soon. I just, I turned it off.
• 1:17:50
  I was like, I'm going to, I'll be back.
• 1:17:53
  Like this was at 2:00 in the morning.
• 1:17:54
  I was like, I'll be back in like 6 hours.
• 1:17:56
  I'm not even going to deal with this right now.
• 1:17:58
  I finished the episode in the morning, 'cause she's like, I
• 1:18:01
  don't know, Katashi got gay muthis and just like, really,
• 1:18:05
  really anime. And I'm like, Oh no, no, no, you
• 1:18:08
  look like those weeaboos who pretend to be Japanese.
• 1:18:11
  Like stop. Like it was so cartoon.
• 1:18:13
  It was really cringy. And basically, she announces
• 1:18:17
  that new games will begin, and you see airships carrying giant
• 1:18:22
  flags of face cards flying all across the city of Tokyo.
• 1:18:26
  And you're just like, oh, fuck. And that's the end of season
• 1:18:29
  one, right? Like we have to see our favorite
• 1:18:32
  characters get through the face cards alive.
• 1:18:36
  That took me out. When they're down there, it's
• 1:18:38
  like she's like, I thought it would be an alien And it's like,
• 1:18:41
  I'd rather it be an alien than this chick like this.
• 1:18:43
  Like animals like so angry. Like I would like, she's like so
• 1:18:47
  pissed. She's like, I wish it was an
• 1:18:49
  alien instead of whatever the hell this is supposed to be.
• 1:18:53
  Like she's like, this is embarrassing.
• 1:18:56
  Like I don't know about. You, but it gets more
• 1:18:57
  embarrassing, like who we meet in the second season.
• 1:19:04
  So. I need to know your I need.
• 1:19:07
  I've been dying to hear your perspective on this.
• 1:19:09
  Dude are. You talking about the King of
• 1:19:11
  Spades? Or someone else, the naked dude.
• 1:19:15
  Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold.
• 1:19:17
  On. Hold on, we'll get.
• 1:19:19
  To that so so season 2 we're now going to talk about season 2
• 1:19:23
  episode one starts off with the king of Spades is in the area.
• 1:19:29
  There is another massacre in the streets.
• 1:19:32
  There is no games. There are no rules announced.
• 1:19:35
  There's no timer on anything. There is just a masked man with
• 1:19:40
  unlimited ammo gunning down people in the streets.
• 1:19:43
  You have to terrifying somehow kill this Terminator that that's
• 1:19:49
  the king of spades. And I was like, Oh no, I don't.
• 1:19:54
  If every game is going to be like this, I am not going to
• 1:19:56
  like Season 2. No, I because again, that's not
• 1:20:00
  a game. It's not a game like, yeah, that
• 1:20:02
  was my thing. Too, That's just that's just
• 1:20:04
  straight up massacre. Like it's, it threw me for a
• 1:20:07
  loop that first episode of season 2 because I'm just like,
• 1:20:11
  Oh my God. And the way like the, the
• 1:20:14
  gunfire like was just insane. Like the way the they portrayed
• 1:20:19
  the gunfire was crazy. It was just really pervasive,
• 1:20:22
  like non-stop, just like. Right, exactly.
• 1:20:26
  It was non-stop. One thing I will give you talked
• 1:20:30
  earlier about a A1 take sequence.
• 1:20:34
  We saw another one in this episode.
• 1:20:35
  It was a car chase. Yes.
• 1:20:37
  Which I was like, oh, there's, there's a woman.
• 1:20:40
  What? That was not a bad car chase,
• 1:20:41
  you're right. It was not.
• 1:20:43
  It was not a bad car chase. Those cars, were they?
• 1:20:45
  Were. Yes, I love the little Toyota.
• 1:20:49
  Century, I think it is. That's the one that all the cabs
• 1:20:52
  in Japan are like. They use that.
• 1:20:54
  They're modeled after it. Yeah, with the little curtains
• 1:20:57
  and stuff. That was sick.
• 1:20:58
  Oh my God, When he like pulls up alongside them and they look and
• 1:21:02
  he just like shoots into their car.
• 1:21:05
  Shit was terrifying. That was such a great.
• 1:21:07
  The car scene was that was a bright spot in the otherwise not
• 1:21:12
  likeable or enjoyable King of Spades intro.
• 1:21:17
  Right, exactly. It it was very, it was extreme.
• 1:21:23
  It was a bit of an extreme intro to the season, but at the end of
• 1:21:28
  the day, that was just one episode.
• 1:21:29
  There were still so much more. To Well we also meet the king of
• 1:21:34
  clubs in this episode 5 on one team is the game.
• 1:21:41
  Niragi the The Tongue Ring Rapist is back from fucking
• 1:21:45
  season one still. Live back again.
• 1:21:47
  The king of clubs is a nudist, and I guess we have to talk
• 1:21:51
  about this guy actually, before we do.
• 1:21:55
  Before we do, there is a convenience store scene between
• 1:21:59
  Adisa and the white rabbit Usagi, where there's scavenging
• 1:22:03
  for food. And Adisa basically says he
• 1:22:06
  wants to go back. He wants to go back to the real
• 1:22:08
  world and Usagi is traumatized by losing her father and the
• 1:22:14
  cruelty of the media toward her dad that she says she hates the
• 1:22:20
  real world and if given the chance she would not go back.
• 1:22:24
  Adisa says. Like even though he hated a lot
• 1:22:27
  of his life, he still cherishes his memories with his friends
• 1:22:32
  and he wants to do better, live a different life, and he'll
• 1:22:36
  protect her in the game no matter what.
• 1:22:39
  What they can start over in the real world.
• 1:22:42
  They flashback to something that his older brother said in season
• 1:22:45
  one episode one, which was if only the real world can be
• 1:22:49
  reset. And it did.
• 1:22:51
  Yeah, and so I like this. So now you have this new drama
• 1:22:55
  in episodes in Season 2 which is Arisa and Usagi are both trying
• 1:23:00
  to survive the games but to different ends.
• 1:23:03
  Yeah. You know they're not on the
• 1:23:05
  same. One's just trying to stay alive.
• 1:23:06
  The other one actually wants to go back.
• 1:23:08
  Exactly. To the other one exactly.
• 1:23:11
  So now we get to the King of clubs.
• 1:23:13
  What do you think about that, this clown?
• 1:23:15
  Yo, this so I really like OK, so I really like the the aspect of
• 1:23:22
  him being almost like Ariso's mental foe.
• 1:23:29
  Like, oh, I think we're going to say mentor.
• 1:23:31
  And I was like, yeah, yeah. I was following.
• 1:23:33
  There's a little bit to that too.
• 1:23:35
  Like there is an aspect of like this is a a well worthy
• 1:23:40
  challenging adversary. It's a charismatic leader.
• 1:23:43
  Yes, and he's looking for an opponent who it can meet him at
• 1:23:49
  his level. And he sees it in Aristotle like
• 1:23:52
  he he he finds someone. Oh, wait a minute.
• 1:23:56
  I think this this kid has potential.
• 1:23:59
  I want to push him to that. I want to I want to see how far
• 1:24:02
  he's willing to go, you know, because I can see the potential
• 1:24:05
  in this kid. Is he willing to make, you know,
• 1:24:09
  the sacrifice? Is he willing to, you know,
• 1:24:12
  really meet me at my level here? Is he challenging Worthy
• 1:24:17
  Opponent? And yeah, I I really dug that
• 1:24:20
  part of it. Why he was butt ass naked, who
• 1:24:23
  knows who. Knows I know when you I.
• 1:24:26
  When you were in the Borderlands.
• 1:24:28
  The shots of him walking around, I was like, how many things can
• 1:24:33
  you use to obscure his genitals? Like I was amazed.
• 1:24:39
  I was like, how do they get it? Go the camera angles where like
• 1:24:43
  they're showing him from the front and like they get as low
• 1:24:46
  as they can low. As possible.
• 1:24:48
  And I'm like, bro, like 1 centimeter and you're seeing
• 1:24:53
  full on, you know, I know. I'm just like full on peen.
• 1:24:56
  Yes, I was like, wow, this is I was impressed.
• 1:24:59
  I was. Impressed.
• 1:24:59
  Same character. Him crouching down like stop his
• 1:25:03
  friend that died. I'm like get off, get.
• 1:25:05
  Off, get off. Oh my God, I really.
• 1:25:09
  But I loved him and I loved it added like some, like, I mean, I
• 1:25:13
  was like, have you guys ever seen The Leftovers?
• 1:25:16
  I don't think so. I've never watched the show but
• 1:25:18
  I I've heard of it. It's, it's really dismal.
• 1:25:21
  It's like pitch black. But like up until this point I
• 1:25:23
  was like, OK, now I need levity. I need something 'cause like,
• 1:25:27
  and this brought like so much levity.
• 1:25:29
  Like it was funny. Like it was a good like sight
• 1:25:31
  gag. But like, also like he's
• 1:25:34
  charismatic. Like he said in a world that has
• 1:25:35
  no charisma, like has no humor, has no nothing.
• 1:25:38
  So I think it was a really interesting departure.
• 1:25:41
  And I also love how tight knit this king was with his band.
• 1:25:47
  They all kind of accepted their fate and they kind of accepted
• 1:25:50
  the role really well of like, we're just facilitators for you
• 1:25:53
  to win or lose this game. We already know what's going to
• 1:25:56
  happen to us no matter what. I thought that was really
• 1:25:58
  refreshing. You know, it wasn't.
• 1:26:00
  We took a break from the whole like, how could you like you?
• 1:26:04
  Even the one guy that they kind of send to die, he's like, wow,
• 1:26:06
  so I'm the one you chose. All right, well, I forgot what
• 1:26:10
  he says. He says like make it worth our
• 1:26:12
  while. And then he dies.
• 1:26:13
  And they actually do feel bad. They feel remorse, but they've
• 1:26:16
  all kind of accepted, like, you know, that's going to be their
• 1:26:19
  role in this world. So I found it really refreshing
• 1:26:23
  from the rest of what we had had up until.
• 1:26:26
  That .2 sides of the same crew coin.
• 1:26:30
  I I liked it. They have like a lot of yapping
• 1:26:34
  though in this episode too. When they this is when they
• 1:26:37
  actually like. This is the meat of the game and
• 1:26:40
  I think at the very start of the game, Adi says still like asking
• 1:26:43
  the same question, like if we win all of the games, will we
• 1:26:46
  get to go back to the real world?
• 1:26:47
  Does he? He asks every.
• 1:26:48
  Game nobody knows. Like stop asking, we're all in
• 1:26:51
  this world. So.
• 1:26:53
  Like just stop. The King of clubs is like how
• 1:26:55
  many hearts, heart to hearts did you have.
• 1:26:58
  Our flaws, our pride, those are exposed here in this world.
• 1:27:02
  We when we look death in the eye, we face true human nature
• 1:27:05
  and reality. This world is more real than any
• 1:27:08
  you left behind. And I was like oh what the fuck
• 1:27:12
  now? Like I was like.
• 1:27:15
  It's like, oh, is it? Yeah, it was AI mean.
• 1:27:20
  We knew this already, but obviously the games are
• 1:27:24
  definitely a social experiment, or at least bringing about
• 1:27:28
  social commentary, and this was just drawing attention to that.
• 1:27:33
  So I felt like some of the dialogue was really good and
• 1:27:36
  some of it was really hammy. It's it's just anime tropes.
• 1:27:39
  I know I keep saying it, but all the way down, like the whole
• 1:27:42
  looking off, not even looking at the person you're talking to
• 1:27:45
  saying something sort of deep, but not really.
• 1:27:49
  So like it was OK, but like at this point I was like, yo, like
• 1:27:53
  again, and I think I've said this on a previous podcast
• 1:27:55
  because I've hit this point before.
• 1:27:56
  I'm like, I really desperately want to either watch this on
• 1:27:59
  double speed or Fast forward, but like I can't risk missing
• 1:28:04
  something. And like, you know, just, but I
• 1:28:06
  was just like, bro, like please just pack it up.
• 1:28:09
  Like let's go if you're going to die, just like get like get
• 1:28:12
  lazier right in your shit and let's just move.
• 1:28:15
  Like please like. But but all that to say, like
• 1:28:19
  for as drawn out and exhausting as some chunks of it were, it it
• 1:28:23
  all did serve a purpose. And the overarching thing of
• 1:28:26
  like, they're all unified and like you said, two sides of the
• 1:28:29
  same team coin. I like that like so.
• 1:28:31
  It did me off and I thought the game was very interesting where
• 1:28:34
  it's not like, oh, if we combat and I win, the other person dies
• 1:28:39
  type of thing. No, like you still can help your
• 1:28:43
  team, you know, you could still find ways to be able to get to
• 1:28:47
  the goal, which is to have more points at the end.
• 1:28:50
  Now are we going to talk about how this game ends?
• 1:28:54
  Oh, with Tata chopping his own hand off.
• 1:28:58
  Yeah, let's talk about that that.
• 1:29:00
  Was rough. Well, first of all, we get his
• 1:29:02
  flashback sequence. I mean, he maims a fellow
• 1:29:06
  mechanic by putting this jet because he's a car mechanic and
• 1:29:11
  he puts this Jack under the car wrong after being repeatedly
• 1:29:16
  told to get his shit together. And he, I mean, it's negligence
• 1:29:21
  is through his own negligence. He, I mean, this guy that he was
• 1:29:28
  working with loses a hand and he feels incredible guilt over
• 1:29:32
  that. I mean, I'm not sure anybody
• 1:29:34
  wouldn't even if they put the Jack correctly and some shit
• 1:29:37
  goes wrong, I mean that would wreck you for life.
• 1:29:41
  And so he. He was called out for that
• 1:29:43
  carelessness even before. Absolutely.
• 1:29:44
  Because he's telling the mechanic who ends up maiming,
• 1:29:47
  like, and then taking away like, that's the way he makes a
• 1:29:50
  living. That's, you know, so like, he
• 1:29:53
  was like, yeah, you know, this is a fun little thing to do, but
• 1:29:55
  I'm gonna learn English and I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do
• 1:29:57
  that. And he's like, oh, well, this is
• 1:30:00
  what I do for a living. Like bro, like.
• 1:30:02
  It's an honest fuck. You like, this is a really good
• 1:30:04
  honest job. And then his carelessness ends
• 1:30:06
  up losing him in arms. So, so I guess it's that
• 1:30:09
  atonement thing, right? Like, you know, well, hey, I
• 1:30:14
  mean, that's a lesson to learn, right?
• 1:30:17
  Yeah, I'm not sure what the fuck was going through Adis's mind
• 1:30:21
  when he paired up Nidagi the Rapist with White Rabbit Usagi
• 1:30:26
  during the game. Like I was like I was a.
• 1:30:29
  Dumb bro, you're an idiot. Your your team building skills
• 1:30:32
  are not great because Oh my God. Yeah, when they think they're
• 1:30:37
  about to lose, Nidagi goes ape shit and there's another rape
• 1:30:41
  attempt on Usagi. I didn't like that.
• 1:30:44
  I didn't. I'm like, this seems like some
• 1:30:46
  kind of weird kind of fanservice and I'm not really here for it.
• 1:30:49
  Like I like. We get the point.
• 1:30:51
  What do you talk about? Fanservice.
• 1:30:52
  Yeah. It I don't know, this is a trope
• 1:30:55
  too, right? So it's like, I'm not gonna, I'm
• 1:30:59
  not gonna get into it. The.
• 1:31:00
  Point is like she's a damsel and like he has to save her.
• 1:31:03
  Adisa has to save her, no? No, no, the rapist like actively
• 1:31:07
  pursuing this chick a second time.
• 1:31:09
  Like we really? This is such an easy thing to
• 1:31:12
  sidestep. Why are we getting another scene
• 1:31:14
  like this in the show? I don't understand.
• 1:31:16
  It's a good point. It's a very good point.
• 1:31:19
  Like, yeah. I I don't get why this character
• 1:31:22
  survives. Yeah, he sure just died.
• 1:31:24
  And then when I saw his flashbacks, I'm like, you know
• 1:31:26
  what they should have done you in on the other side.
• 1:31:28
  Like, I don't know why. Like, I don't know why you're
• 1:31:29
  here. This is a mess like.
• 1:31:31
  But yeah, so the way the game ends I think is genius.
• 1:31:35
  I love the fact that they decide to sacrifice Tyler's hand to
• 1:31:41
  give it to WE. Can call him Glenn from The
• 1:31:43
  Walking. Dead from The Walking.
• 1:31:44
  Dead. He he reminded me of Glenn from
• 1:31:47
  The Walking Dead. So dirty.
• 1:31:48
  Yeah, he did like especially with the car, like he's the one
• 1:31:51
  that goes to like lift the car and he comes in this obnoxious
• 1:31:56
  cherry red car. And I was like, it's just like
• 1:31:59
  Glenn in season one and then the hat like it is very season one.
• 1:32:06
  But the the philosophical like, you know, debate between the
• 1:32:11
  king of clubs and sorry. Yes, the last yap fest.
• 1:32:16
  Yeah, the last yap fest, Yeah. But like that, you know, going
• 1:32:20
  back and forth between them. But then the ultimate like
• 1:32:24
  gamesmanship of like, I got the better of you because I did.
• 1:32:29
  We did what it needed to be done to win this game.
• 1:32:33
  We made a sacrifice and we're going to win this game.
• 1:32:36
  So I I really enjoyed that they were able to go to that.
• 1:32:40
  Obviously, rest in peace to Glenn from The Walking Dead, you
• 1:32:45
  know, because that sacrifice drew out a lot of blood.
• 1:32:49
  So he was going to make it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:53
  But I thought was interesting was Idesa says that he doesn't
• 1:32:56
  want the king of clubs to die. He's like, I don't want you to
• 1:32:59
  die. And I was like, he's finally
• 1:33:01
  challenged. Yeah.
• 1:33:05
  Like that was hard for me to grasp and I don't know if that
• 1:33:07
  was hard for any of you guys to grasp.
• 1:33:09
  Either I think I understand. That they didn't blame the game
• 1:33:14
  Masters of the face cards, even though they were also they were
• 1:33:20
  players and now they became elevated and were developing
• 1:33:24
  this game around their strengths or their interests.
• 1:33:28
  Maybe he was just so refreshed to meet somebody of like an
• 1:33:30
  equal intellectual capacity and with all his like flowery
• 1:33:34
  charisma, like and depth, like, you know, like it was nice.
• 1:33:38
  It's like, oh, I can have a real conversation while everybody
• 1:33:40
  around me is getting gunned down, mowed down.
• 1:33:42
  Like there's no it there. There's nothing in this universe
• 1:33:46
  except for like bleak strategy as a means to an end, violence,
• 1:33:51
  desolation, sadness. So to have a conversation with
• 1:33:54
  somebody that's, you know, anything that's not that, and on
• 1:33:58
  top of that, have someone that's at least somewhat like an
• 1:34:00
  intellectual equal. I think that really like
• 1:34:02
  appealed to Adisu. So it's like, no, I just met you
• 1:34:05
  and now like, you know, you're going to die too, like.
• 1:34:07
  This like this is someone who he actually could see that there
• 1:34:13
  was there was good in in him like even.
• 1:34:17
  There he said malicious. He was not malicious and he was.
• 1:34:20
  He just kind of acquiesced to the.
• 1:34:21
  World and he was also very to the point of like, really, like
• 1:34:26
  I said, challenging addiso and and also enlightening him on
• 1:34:32
  there are things you can do like are you willing to do?
• 1:34:35
  Think about it like he was he was really like you said
• 1:34:39
  Jessica, like almost like a mentor figure because again, he
• 1:34:43
  wasn't there to like we're here to kill you.
• 1:34:47
  You know, it wasn't that type of attitude.
• 1:34:48
  It was an attitude of like, hey, you've stepped into my game
• 1:34:52
  right now and let's see what you got.
• 1:34:55
  Let's see if you can actually save your team.
• 1:34:59
  If not, we're going to win and we're going to still be here.
• 1:35:02
  This is this is our life. This is what we are now called
• 1:35:05
  to do going forward. But can you do something about
• 1:35:09
  it? You know, like it wasn't that
• 1:35:11
  attitude of like you're dead, you know, and because we see
• 1:35:15
  that in other it was like good. Sportsmanship.
• 1:35:18
  Exactly. It almost felt like good
• 1:35:20
  sportsmanship. So overall, I mean.
• 1:35:23
  He says like little Nuggets to him, you're playing your own
• 1:35:26
  game, you're the master of your own fate, you'll never be like
• 1:35:29
  me and you shouldn't want that. And then he says what I felt was
• 1:35:34
  in their last yap session after. He knows that he's going to die.
• 1:35:39
  He knows he's lost the game. This part felt a lot like
• 1:35:43
  Dumbledore and Harry Potter talking in the dreamscape King's
• 1:35:48
  Cross station in like the final Harry Potter movie.
• 1:35:52
  Because it was almost like, what makes you think this isn't real?
• 1:35:56
  Like, you know, like, what makes you think this isn't just
• 1:36:00
  because it's might not be happening.
• 1:36:03
  It is strange. Like, doesn't mean it.
• 1:36:06
  It's not meaningful or anything like that.
• 1:36:07
  And the quotes I have are actually, no, that was Adios
• 1:36:10
  saying that he's like, if we hadn't met playing this game,
• 1:36:12
  who's to say? And the king of clubs says it's
• 1:36:16
  the only reason we became this close was because we met playing
• 1:36:19
  this game. So it's kind of like this
• 1:36:20
  paradoxical thing, he responds. But if we had met somewhere else
• 1:36:25
  and maybe we could have actually been friends again, like this,
• 1:36:28
  like mentorship, like, I admire you.
• 1:36:30
  I really like your vibe and the king of clubs says we've been
• 1:36:34
  friends this whole time, Addy said.
• 1:36:37
  I hope you figure it out how to live by your own rules.
• 1:36:40
  Your life is yours. Don't follow someone else's
• 1:36:42
  path. It was an honor playing with
• 1:36:44
  you. Sick.
• 1:36:46
  Sick stuff. Loved it.
• 1:36:47
  So I was like. My head was.
• 1:36:49
  Reeling on this character, the goofy, the character that
• 1:36:53
  probably at least viscerally should have been the goofiest,
• 1:36:56
  turned out to be one of my favorites.
• 1:36:58
  I was like wow, this is such a great.
• 1:37:00
  Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:37:03
  All right, so episodes 3 through 4, it's Chisia, MJ playing in
• 1:37:07
  the prison. He's got to win a Jack of Hearts
• 1:37:10
  game and this one was interesting.
• 1:37:14
  Is this the next collar one? Yes.
• 1:37:17
  What the like? Tell your suit it was.
• 1:37:20
  They did a really good job of doing the the red herring on it,
• 1:37:24
  where you think it is the girl who attracts everyone to her
• 1:37:28
  group. Yeah, well, I, I.
• 1:37:31
  Mean that was easy to not believe.
• 1:37:33
  Right, because it it happened too early in that game for you
• 1:37:37
  to be like, Yep, that's her. And like Michael Jackson, he's
• 1:37:41
  kind of like, you know, pointing things out and noticing things.
• 1:37:45
  I love how observant his character is.
• 1:37:49
  Like he he does not jump into anything.
• 1:37:52
  He is watchful. Super calm, super calm.
• 1:37:56
  Because he needs to be and like more on his back story in a
• 1:37:59
  little bit, but like he needs to be calm.
• 1:38:02
  If not you will suffer the fate of death.
• 1:38:06
  So he understands like he needs to look at these characters.
• 1:38:10
  He needs to see, OK, what is this person's angle?
• 1:38:14
  How are they acting? You know?
• 1:38:17
  And so he's super observant and he kind of stays to himself
• 1:38:20
  somewhat for the most part. He does obviously have a partner
• 1:38:24
  that's helping him, you know, telling what his what the suit
• 1:38:28
  is on his collar. But for the most part, I really
• 1:38:31
  enjoy how observant of a character he is.
• 1:38:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what makes him
• 1:38:36
  interesting to watch is that you kind of think he has it figured
• 1:38:38
  out, but he's got such a good poker face and he's so calm
• 1:38:43
  that. Yeah, he makes that face even
• 1:38:45
  when he's shot in. His hands are still in his
• 1:38:49
  pocket, laying on the ground. He's like, wow, you missed a
• 1:38:51
  vital organ. I'm.
• 1:38:52
  Like OK, too cool. Nothing.
• 1:38:55
  Nothing will shock you. He was very cool in this.
• 1:38:58
  Game. Yeah, he was really cool and I
• 1:39:00
  loved it was just such an interesting game to figure out
• 1:39:03
  who was the Jack of hearts. And I thought it was the guy
• 1:39:08
  that was the murderer who showed up at the beginning of the
• 1:39:11
  episode. I thought it was that guy wasn't
• 1:39:14
  that guy, it was his partner. So like, great bait and switch.
• 1:39:19
  Arisa and Usagi find this encampment where everyone's dead
• 1:39:22
  and they watch an 8mm film. I thought this was going to lead
• 1:39:26
  to something and it didn't really lead to anything.
• 1:39:29
  Such a waste honestly. I thought this was a waste.
• 1:39:32
  It was a waste because you think, oh, this is going to lead
• 1:39:35
  to like a clue to like, what is the end game of all this and
• 1:39:40
  nothing? You get like, this girl is like,
• 1:39:43
  oh, she saw something in the sky that's a clue to like, there's
• 1:39:47
  something that she knows about the world and like she gets shot
• 1:39:50
  in the head. In the in the footage gets cut
• 1:39:52
  off by. The king of space, why was she
• 1:39:53
  dressed like it was? Was that the I was so like I was
• 1:39:55
  so checked out during that because I was like, this isn't
• 1:39:58
  going anywhere. Was was that in the 70s or did
• 1:40:01
  they? Just no, no, no, that was.
• 1:40:02
  Theirs. Because.
• 1:40:03
  It just. Because the home girl's dressed
• 1:40:05
  like she's in the. I know what you're talking.
• 1:40:08
  About like, she looked like a hippie and they're in a hippie
• 1:40:10
  van and I think that mix of being a Super 8 camera, I was
• 1:40:13
  like, are we time travelling now?
• 1:40:15
  Because this show doesn't need time travelling.
• 1:40:17
  Like, well, they, you know, they had talked various points, like
• 1:40:21
  time works differently here, like things are.
• 1:40:22
  Decomposing at. Different rates throughout the
• 1:40:24
  city, so they mentioned different things like that.
• 1:40:26
  But I thought this scene was just such, such a nothing burger
• 1:40:30
  of a thing. And then you find out Aguni is
• 1:40:32
  still alive in this part, Yeah. Again, makes no sense.
• 1:40:36
  I was shaking my head throughout this whole thing.
• 1:40:38
  You have the amputee girl with the bow and arrow.
• 1:40:41
  I called her Michonne in my notes.
• 1:40:43
  Dallas. I was calling her Katniss like.
• 1:40:46
  Katniss. All right, look, Katniss.
• 1:40:48
  She had a crazy back story too. She did.
• 1:40:52
  You find out in episodes 5 through 6 You you get her back
• 1:40:55
  story and the way that she survived her first game.
• 1:40:59
  And how she lost her leg, the bottom.
• 1:41:01
  Part, yeah, yeah. And then you kind of get the
• 1:41:04
  sense of that wasn't everyone is a shit person.
• 1:41:07
  Yes so then this led me to a theory and I was watching this
• 1:41:12
  with my girlfriend. Her aspect or her thing is she
• 1:41:16
  started noticing that when especially in season 2, like
• 1:41:19
  when the game players or the game makers of like that game,
• 1:41:24
  so like the king of clubs and stuff, when when they lost, they
• 1:41:29
  didn't lose in the sense of like I'm so angry I lost.
• 1:41:33
  I can't believe I'm about to die.
• 1:41:35
  There was like this resignation and this acceptance of like
• 1:41:39
  whatever happened in their past. They're like making up for stuff
• 1:41:43
  that happened in the past because maybe they were shitty
• 1:41:46
  at some point or they had to make a decision that was morally
• 1:41:51
  ambiguous. And now they're reconciling that
• 1:41:55
  in their lives. And it kind of like the theory
• 1:42:00
  kind of holds true depending on, you know, the people that you're
• 1:42:04
  talking about. For the most part it does.
• 1:42:06
  And I I think there's, there's something to it.
• 1:42:09
  But at the again, the show doesn't really give us that or
• 1:42:14
  tell us that that's it. We'll talk about the end later
• 1:42:19
  about that. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:42:21
  So no mention of how Aguni survived, he says, not by
• 1:42:24
  choice. No sign of multiple gunshot
• 1:42:26
  wounds that he should have or any signs that he was in an
• 1:42:29
  inferno, which he definitely was.
• 1:42:32
  That was yap. Warrant, yeah, I was like, I was
• 1:42:34
  like share with the. Class, it's like, how did you
• 1:42:36
  survive? No, it's like we just heard six
• 1:42:39
  Hallmark cards worth of platitudes.
• 1:42:41
  Can you like chime in and no. Oh, OK.
• 1:42:44
  Strangely silent, he asked Arista like what's driving him?
• 1:42:48
  What is he living for? Does he really want to go back
• 1:42:50
  to our world? And Arista says I don't need a
• 1:42:53
  reason to live. My purpose doesn't make a
• 1:42:55
  difference. Even if it's gone, I need to
• 1:42:57
  keep living. It's kind of like, you know what
• 1:43:00
  it is what it is. I don't need this grand reason
• 1:43:03
  to live. I just know that I should live.
• 1:43:06
  I guess that's as good a reason as I.
• 1:43:08
  Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure. You get another face off with
• 1:43:12
  the King of Spades, who is everywhere and nowhere at the
• 1:43:15
  same time. There's a Kevlar vest, night
• 1:43:18
  vision goggles. I think when they set off the
• 1:43:21
  flare, I was like, you lost me because he has night vision
• 1:43:23
  goggles on That should definitely blind him.
• 1:43:26
  They lost me a little bit there, but I was like, OK, the
• 1:43:28
  Terminator still lives. I.
• 1:43:30
  Think these are the weakest these?
• 1:43:31
  Are yeah. When Adisa and Usagi separate
• 1:43:35
  I'm like this is weak. Yeah, it's.
• 1:43:38
  Instantly weaker. They needed to just keep them
• 1:43:41
  together though. Honestly they should have just
• 1:43:43
  kept them together for almost every challenge.
• 1:43:46
  I don't know why they split them up.
• 1:43:47
  Yeah, so then we get the Queen of Spades chest like game of
• 1:43:51
  laser tag, which is when Adisa finally reunites with Usagi and
• 1:43:55
  they now have a son because Usagi picked up this kid who's
• 1:44:00
  been orphaned in the game. No one cares to save the kid.
• 1:44:04
  They just want to save their own skin.
• 1:44:05
  So there's like another yap fest from Usagi at this point to try
• 1:44:08
  and get these people to understand they should try and
• 1:44:11
  leave the game. And this is when you figure out,
• 1:44:13
  oh, Usagi's changed her mind. She wants to leave.
• 1:44:16
  She. Wants to live now this this game
• 1:44:21
  kind of like I got to be honest, these three episodes are just
• 1:44:24
  weak all the way through, but I do love who was the suit in this
• 1:44:29
  one. Oh, this is the queen of spades.
• 1:44:32
  Queen of Sweets. I do love the way that she
• 1:44:35
  backflipped off that building and lasered the shit out of
• 1:44:38
  herself. She's like until we meet again
• 1:44:40
  and just like ramp. That shit took me out.
• 1:44:44
  Everything up until that point, I was like, OK, I see where this
• 1:44:47
  is going, but that that's good television talk about she's
• 1:44:53
  that's a girl who knew that the laser Mike is going to take her
• 1:44:55
  out before she hit the ground. I thought that was so sick.
• 1:45:00
  That's like my only take away from all those.
• 1:45:01
  Honest, I have Usaki's speech here, but I don't feel like
• 1:45:04
  saying it right now. They kiss in the Hot Springs
• 1:45:07
  Stadium, which is where the amputee Katniss had her first
• 1:45:13
  games, right? So they happened upon it.
• 1:45:15
  They figure it's a hot spring and they like take a much needed
• 1:45:20
  bath. But then there's elephants there
• 1:45:21
  and I was like, man, this show has changed.
• 1:45:23
  I was like scratch ahead. Where'd they come from like.
• 1:45:29
  But. A It was good.
• 1:45:30
  Then they have that moment. It's like, oh, are we gonna
• 1:45:32
  shower? Are we gonna bathe together?
• 1:45:34
  Yeah. And I was like, I think we're
• 1:45:35
  past this. Yeah, dude.
• 1:45:37
  It's like we're past way past this.
• 1:45:39
  Like just you can get in, you can get in like you've seen
• 1:45:42
  your. Friends honestly like.
• 1:45:43
  There's nothing once. The king of clubs was completely
• 1:45:46
  nude and running around. I'm like, we, we could take a
• 1:45:51
  bath. This is all this is all medical
• 1:45:53
  nudity. Like there is no arousal in this
• 1:45:55
  dismal, horrible world. This is like disaster nudity.
• 1:45:59
  Like when there's a hurricane and somebody runs out of the
• 1:46:01
  house with nothing but a hat and socks.
• 1:46:03
  Like, it's fine. Yeah.
• 1:46:06
  It's just baffling. It's unattractive.
• 1:46:08
  Like, you guys can, you can get in the hot spring and like,
• 1:46:11
  you'll be fine. Obviously that's.
• 1:46:13
  A dead body breaks up the intimacy and then we are going
• 1:46:16
  to skip ahead to the King of Diamond game with MJ playing in
• 1:46:22
  the Supreme Court, which I was like this one was fascinating
• 1:46:29
  and disgusting at the same time. It was a number guessing game
• 1:46:35
  and you put in your number. They took the average of the
• 1:46:39
  numbers multiplied about by 0.8 and then whoever was the closest
• 1:46:43
  to that number one the round. Everyone else lost a point.
• 1:46:47
  Whoever got to -10 got sulfuric acid poured all over them and
• 1:46:52
  that's how they perish. It was.
• 1:46:55
  I thought for sure they were not going to show the sulfuric acid
• 1:47:00
  falling on these people. They definitely showed it on the
• 1:47:02
  men. I was wrong.
• 1:47:06
  I. Hated it.
• 1:47:06
  It was. It was bad.
• 1:47:08
  God, great game, terrifying it. Was terrifying.
• 1:47:12
  Like bro, just give me the laser.
• 1:47:13
  Like I know if it's all the same, you know?
• 1:47:17
  I know, and this is where we get MJ's back story.
• 1:47:21
  It almost felt like in Saving Private Ryan when you find out
• 1:47:24
  what Tom Hanks does for a living.
• 1:47:26
  Right. I was shocked.
• 1:47:28
  Did you guys feel shocked when they revealed that MJ was a
• 1:47:33
  pediatric cardiovascular surgeon?
• 1:47:37
  Yes, I thought, I thought I. Was like the.
• 1:47:41
  I thought that he, I thought he gave out like tokens or at an
• 1:47:45
  arcade like a fucking tattoo artist or some shit, like I
• 1:47:48
  don't or a model like maybe 'cause you know, but like then.
• 1:47:52
  But then it made every other aspect of like his stillness.
• 1:47:56
  So like it make so much sense. That was a devastating back
• 1:48:01
  story. Yeah.
• 1:48:06
  And his game with the King of Diamonds was very, very tailored
• 1:48:15
  for both of the characters because they were both battling
• 1:48:18
  with these ethical and moral misgivings and misdeeds that
• 1:48:25
  they had done in their lives, asking each other.
• 1:48:29
  Really, the King of Spades, King of Diamonds was asking the
• 1:48:32
  question, like, which lives hold more value?
• 1:48:35
  And that was the whole proposition of the game.
• 1:48:39
  Who would you give this vaccine to if you only had like, 1000
• 1:48:42
  doses? Who should get it?
• 1:48:44
  And the game that he designed was designed for equality to
• 1:48:48
  take the decision out of who dies.
• 1:48:52
  The whole back story of MJ basically taking bribes
• 1:48:56
  basically and prioritizing the health of those who could afford
• 1:48:59
  it. The rich, super unethical stuff,
• 1:49:04
  I mean soul blackening stuff. And the game convicts him right
• 1:49:11
  it, you know, he feels like shit.
• 1:49:16
  I did something wrong. It makes me feel like shit.
• 1:49:19
  Exactly. Probably should as it as it
• 1:49:22
  should. And he tells the king which
• 1:49:24
  number he'll choose in the last round.
• 1:49:26
  He's like, I'll choose the number 100 when there are only
• 1:49:28
  two options left, two or three options left for who can win and
• 1:49:34
  who can lose. By doing so, he made the game
• 1:49:36
  unfair. Yeah, you know, he made the king
• 1:49:40
  of diamonds choose who to save and who to kill.
• 1:49:44
  Yeah, which, you know what? I it, it is unfair for him to do
• 1:49:50
  that to him. But you know what?
• 1:49:53
  Good gamesmanship. It was a nice strategy, but also
• 1:49:56
  born out of the wish to die. Yeah, 'cause he was hoping that.
• 1:50:02
  Yeah, he was. I deserved.
• 1:50:04
  He was kind of yeah, at, at, at the point.
• 1:50:06
  Where he definitely does. You know what?
• 1:50:08
  I I shouldn't be doing this. I shouldn't be living anymore.
• 1:50:11
  I've done some shady crap. That's pretty.
• 1:50:14
  I thought it was interesting that the king of diamonds had to
• 1:50:17
  choose the essentially the wrong number three times, so deny
• 1:50:23
  himself three times to die. And I was like, oh, this is
• 1:50:28
  getting really biblical. And I was like finding a lot of
• 1:50:31
  like three things, Trinity things in the show.
• 1:50:34
  That was one of them. And then he saves him.
• 1:50:36
  He basically kills himself and saves MJ.
• 1:50:40
  And the ACT brought him catharsis and peace, and he did
• 1:50:45
  it based on his own ideals and terms, and he felt unconquered
• 1:50:50
  and free when he died. Right.
• 1:50:53
  Exactly he did. So it's a very deep episode.
• 1:51:00
  Super. Yeah.
• 1:51:02
  Like, I mean, yeah, it was, it was really deep.
• 1:51:05
  It was really, really deep. So then we get to the final two
• 1:51:09
  episodes, seven and eight. There is a montage series of
• 1:51:14
  scenes of other face card games mixed in with Koena and CSI
• 1:51:21
  Anne. There's this shot of them
• 1:51:24
  walking away from an exploding building in slow MO while the
• 1:51:28
  queen of clubs flag like burns behind them.
• 1:51:31
  I was like iconic iconic bad blood music video vibes.
• 1:51:35
  Like I was like eating it up, lapping it up.
• 1:51:38
  Every time a suit would like like a blimp would explode and
• 1:51:41
  catch on fire. I was so in.
• 1:51:43
  I was like, that's more of that. Niragi still alive, still
• 1:51:49
  kicking. He's lost his mind even more.
• 1:51:52
  I thought he because he's like coughing up blood and shit.
• 1:51:54
  I was like my God, just like he should be down for the count
• 1:51:58
  already. He wasn't my God, he.
• 1:52:01
  Just kept going. Kept ticking.
• 1:52:03
  He doesn't even bother to put a man out of his misery when he
• 1:52:06
  comes across this dude who's botched his own suicide.
• 1:52:10
  Instead, he's sitting there laughing cruelly in this man's
• 1:52:13
  face. Basically like I'm going to make
• 1:52:15
  everyone I encounter suffer until like heal over a knock on
• 1:52:18
  Hell's door type of attitude. And I'm like, somebody shoot
• 1:52:22
  this man dead. Like the king of Spades can't
• 1:52:24
  come here for a minute. Like it is unfathomable how long
• 1:52:29
  this character is kept alive. Niragi rapist dude.
• 1:52:32
  I was shocked. Not that I think about the King
• 1:52:35
  of Spades. How long was he alive?
• 1:52:37
  Because he, like, was running through a few episodes, right?
• 1:52:43
  Yeah, he was. So like, I do love OK, so I love
• 1:52:46
  this showdown that they have where he's in the streets.
• 1:52:50
  It was like the last showdown, right?
• 1:52:52
  He yeah, they're back in in. The and.
• 1:52:56
  Hikaru, like, yeah, Hikaru, like, kicks like a rear view
• 1:53:00
  mirror off of a car and it hits him in the head.
• 1:53:04
  And while he's dazed, he gets hit by a car, dragged into
• 1:53:08
  another car. The car bursts into flames.
• 1:53:12
  Like, there was like, you can't make this up.
• 1:53:14
  You have all these people like, yeah, we did.
• 1:53:16
  And they're all getting gunned down.
• 1:53:18
  He just walks out of the fire. Incredibly implausible, but I
• 1:53:22
  loved that. Like that had me rolling just
• 1:53:24
  like. Literally.
• 1:53:25
  Terminator they literally had to kill him with like Ari so they
• 1:53:30
  he fashioned like a grenade, right Like.
• 1:53:32
  They had a grenade from MJ and I think this was like in season
• 1:53:36
  one that he gave, he gave it to a queen of this grenade.
• 1:53:40
  Yeah, and she. Still had it this whole time.
• 1:53:45
  I love this. Like slow.
• 1:53:46
  Motion. She's literally in a bra the
• 1:53:51
  whole time. Or a bathing suit top the whole
• 1:53:53
  time. In a pair of jeans.
• 1:53:55
  So where was she? Keeping.
• 1:53:57
  This like grenade? I don't know.
• 1:54:00
  This was my favorite. This was probably one of the
• 1:54:02
  most cathartic moments of the whole series for me because I
• 1:54:05
  was so ready for this dude to just die.
• 1:54:07
  Like I'm like just bro, like enough.
• 1:54:09
  Like what's it going to take? And that's what it took going to
• 1:54:12
  the second floor. I love how he just like rips the
• 1:54:15
  pen off of the grenade and throws it while they're bursting
• 1:54:19
  through glass. They're jumping out of the
• 1:54:21
  second story, like through a second story window and mid air
• 1:54:24
  the guy's like, throw it, Ari, so throw it, throw it and he
• 1:54:27
  throws it. It hits the king of spades and
• 1:54:29
  then it explodes. I was like, finally, there was
• 1:54:33
  no way to survive. The entire fight with the King
• 1:54:36
  of Spades, that showdown with our crew, right, and the fight
• 1:54:39
  in the alley, 10 out of 10. Yeah, that was really good
• 1:54:43
  stuff. 10 out of 10. I was, like, riveted.
• 1:54:46
  Yeah. The way the different ways in
• 1:54:48
  which the King of spades was just like going through these
• 1:54:52
  people. Like sometimes it got a little
• 1:54:55
  like fantastical. But then again, well, yeah, I
• 1:55:00
  was trying to be nice there, but it made for some very
• 1:55:04
  interesting, like shots and just like some really cool like,
• 1:55:08
  cinematography and just choreography as well.
• 1:55:12
  Very. Yeah, just intense as well.
• 1:55:15
  Yeah, for sure. But before that fight, Niragi
• 1:55:19
  again showing up in the intersection when our crew meets
• 1:55:23
  up and says, like, basically he wants a little bit more anarchy
• 1:55:29
  before he leaves this world and wants to see them suffer, wants
• 1:55:33
  to see them fear for their lives and fight back.
• 1:55:35
  And I just so like, takes the satisfaction away from him by
• 1:55:41
  just saying like, yeah, I'm going to lay down my weapon.
• 1:55:44
  Like, you can just kill me. I realize that you have a point
• 1:55:47
  in saying that I'm a hypocrite for taking the moral high ground
• 1:55:50
  when I just, I too, want to live and survive these games.
• 1:55:54
  So someone has to die if I live the whole thing of like Usagi
• 1:55:59
  showing up in the middle of this thing and she's just like
• 1:56:02
  standing in the wide open, no cover.
• 1:56:05
  And they all have Niragi clearly has a gun.
• 1:56:11
  I'm like, what the fuck are you doing, girl?
• 1:56:12
  Like take cover. And then there was a point where
• 1:56:15
  she runs after he starts shooting at her and she's about
• 1:56:19
  to get shot. And I'm like, why is the Robin
• 1:56:22
  not running at this point? That's she's so athletic.
• 1:56:25
  She wasn't shot. She could have run for her life
• 1:56:28
  and she doesn't. And this is when MJ stands in
• 1:56:32
  front of her and blocks the shot and takes a shot for her.
• 1:56:39
  Adiso shoots down Nidoggi at this point when I was like,
• 1:56:41
  that's an incredible shot. Like we got to talk about the
• 1:56:45
  aim that like Adiso has with the rifle, like that's that.
• 1:56:49
  I don't know how many yards that was, but I was like damn, we get
• 1:56:52
  a little yapfest from MJ at this point, which I have, which was I
• 1:56:58
  wanted to just do something that was a bit out of character.
• 1:57:01
  I know it's thanks to the people I met here.
• 1:57:03
  Honest people always seemed pretty stupid to me.
• 1:57:06
  I've always loved messing with people who try too hard at life.
• 1:57:09
  I hated selflessness. It's probably because I was
• 1:57:12
  jealous they all had something I was missing.
• 1:57:14
  It was like they could always see what what a pathetic and
• 1:57:17
  small minded person I really was.
• 1:57:19
  I was always afraid. That makes just so much like I
• 1:57:23
  kind of noticed the pattern too, right?
• 1:57:25
  Like it was everybody. I mean, they didn't really stick
• 1:57:29
  with it, but it was two things. Everyone was either a loser or
• 1:57:32
  like not living life to. The fullest.
• 1:57:35
  To the fullest. It's just it was too much.
• 1:57:40
  I'm like MJ was too much. MJ was too much.
• 1:57:42
  Thank God he lived though. Yeah, I I do.
• 1:57:45
  Like them Nidagi living until. The end of the show, if
• 1:57:47
  everybody else can live, he can like he can live like it's.
• 1:57:50
  Fine the rape is living though. I was like can we just like
• 1:57:53
  smother this guy in the whole in the bed next to?
• 1:57:56
  Him, let's make a game like literally just for him.
• 1:57:58
  One person like OK, yeah. Finale episode, Queen of Hearts.
• 1:58:03
  This is the one we've all been waiting for because we know
• 1:58:06
  there is a Queen of Hearts in Alice in Wonderland pivotal
• 1:58:09
  character and we're waiting for this suit to come up.
• 1:58:12
  It is 3 rounds of croquet. It doesn't matter if you win.
• 1:58:15
  And because it's a Hearts game, oh shit's gonna go down like
• 1:58:21
  we're. I'm waiting for the other shoe
• 1:58:22
  to. Drop.
• 1:58:22
  The whole time I was too. I was like, OK, how crazy or how
• 1:58:27
  manipulative is this game going to get?
• 1:58:31
  Yes, I loved the aesthetic. When they got to the rooftop, I
• 1:58:36
  was like. Very high, high gloss, high like
• 1:58:39
  colour. Giant manicured White Rose
• 1:58:42
  garden. Of course I'm like, when are
• 1:58:44
  they going to paint these roses red?
• 1:58:46
  Like when is the blood going to flow because some shit's going
• 1:58:50
  to happen? When tea time happened, I did a
• 1:58:53
  little chuckle because I was like, of course tea Alice in
• 1:58:56
  Wonderland, there is a connection.
• 1:58:59
  But I was like, oh, she's feeding them hallucinogenic
• 1:59:03
  mushroom tea or something like that.
• 1:59:04
  Because obviously you can't eat or drink anything in Wonderland.
• 1:59:07
  Shit happens. And that's what happens, that
• 1:59:11
  they go into this dreamscape, like within their own minds.
• 1:59:18
  She gives three different scenarios.
• 1:59:21
  Did you believe I any of them like going?
• 1:59:24
  I thought they were all plausible except for the aliens.
• 1:59:27
  I was like fuck the. Aliens.
• 1:59:28
  No, I didn't want it to be the aliens because I would have been
• 1:59:31
  so mad if that was it. Like aliens?
• 1:59:33
  Really. But she get the three scenarios
• 1:59:37
  were what's really happening is you're playing the game within a
• 1:59:40
  virtual reality 1000 within virtual reality 1000 years in
• 1:59:43
  the future, humans have achieved basically eternal life and
• 1:59:48
  people start losing their drive to live.
• 1:59:50
  So now we are enamoured with a time before 1000 years ago and a
• 1:59:55
  time when people feared death in the end of the world.
• 1:59:58
  And I was like, yeah, that could definitely happen.
• 2:00:00
  They do show like a a little visual of him and Usagi the
• 2:00:06
  white rabbit, like in this Tron looking outfit suspended and
• 2:00:10
  like supposedly the future. And I was like, oh, that's
• 2:00:12
  plausible. So Tron coded.
• 2:00:14
  Yeah, Super Tron coded. And then the second one is the
• 2:00:18
  second scenario is the plants and mountains took over aliens
• 2:00:22
  abducted all of humanity and wiped out all of our memories
• 2:00:25
  and forced us to play countless games to conduct behavioral
• 2:00:27
  experiments on us. And I was like, definitely not
• 2:00:30
  the second option. Not the second that.
• 2:00:31
  Was definitely going to be the most boring one like.
• 2:00:35
  The third option she gave was like an addendum to the second
• 2:00:38
  one. A nuclear apocalypse wiped out
• 2:00:41
  most life. Wealthy elite living underground
• 2:00:44
  created androids with artificial memories, enjoyed's competing
• 2:00:47
  games on the surface, and the wealthy place bets on who will
• 2:00:50
  survive. And I was like, that's also kind
• 2:00:54
  of plausible, like. You know what?
• 2:00:56
  Not far. Craziest idea?
• 2:00:59
  Yeah, then you get this epic illusion.
• 2:01:03
  The illusion was the most The illusion was fantastic.
• 2:01:06
  The first one was the most interesting.
• 2:01:08
  And if that was going to be the ending, like in terms of like,
• 2:01:12
  because it makes sense, it's like 10 years from now, you're
• 2:01:13
  just using avatars. 20 years from now, you're doing this.
• 2:01:16
  Like, she really maps out where the world is going.
• 2:01:19
  But the illusion that was like, yeah.
• 2:01:24
  The illusion. Like it's like, oh, like because
• 2:01:26
  it was the most plausible out of all of them.
• 2:01:28
  It's like, so basically they go back and Adisu is hanging out
• 2:01:33
  with his friends and they're just kind of screwing around in
• 2:01:35
  Shibuya Crossing and, you know, instead of outrunning the cars,
• 2:01:39
  they get mowed down by cars. It seemed very plausible.
• 2:01:42
  I don't think I would have liked it as an ending.
• 2:01:44
  It was too like secret window cabin, window window cabin that
• 2:01:50
  that Johnny Depp movie that the kick started.
• 2:01:53
  Oh, he's just crazy for like every movie that came after it.
• 2:01:56
  For 10 years. But like I, I think that that
• 2:02:02
  was like the worst, that was definitely the worst heart game
• 2:02:06
  because it was so plausible. It was devastating that really
• 2:02:09
  these games are all in his head, which makes sense because he's a
• 2:02:13
  gamer and he, you know, is intelligent, right?
• 2:02:17
  You kind of believe it. Loaded with trauma.
• 2:02:22
  Yeah, I kind of would have been like, you know what?
• 2:02:25
  Yeah, this makes sense. He's racked with survivor's
• 2:02:27
  guilt, and that's why he's in the psychiatric facility.
• 2:02:30
  And the Queen of Hearts is actually his psychiatrist.
• 2:02:33
  And you know his friends are dead.
• 2:02:35
  It falls apart pretty quickly though.
• 2:02:37
  It falls apart pretty quickly because then like you got like
• 2:02:40
  how is home girl in this world with you if like.
• 2:02:43
  But you've created this world for yourself to figure out like
• 2:02:46
  why you're alive, why you exist and search for meeting in your
• 2:02:48
  own life. And I was like, well, we don't.
• 2:02:50
  We all kind of like create constructs for ourselves to
• 2:02:55
  figure out who we are and what what our purpose is in life and
• 2:02:59
  what's the meaning of our lives and what we want to do.
• 2:03:01
  And I was like taking it really deep in my mind.
• 2:03:05
  But then they move forward with Usagi is there and she tries to
• 2:03:10
  break the illusion. I like that.
• 2:03:14
  The way that played out though, it was sad.
• 2:03:16
  It was just really gum wrenching.
• 2:03:17
  It's like I was so attached to his friends even though they
• 2:03:19
  were only in two episodes. They did some good building.
• 2:03:21
  Also, don't die again. Don't die again.
• 2:03:25
  So they break, she manages to break the illusion and he
• 2:03:29
  realizes he doesn't take any pills.
• 2:03:31
  So like, great. I think the final words from the
• 2:03:36
  Queen of Hearts are life is just a game we play together.
• 2:03:39
  You should try to enjoy it. Right and.
• 2:03:42
  I was like, you know, I kind of like this.
• 2:03:45
  Craziest book, I mean. Like the pitcher parts was like
• 2:03:48
  not the worst like character in the end she was no definitely
• 2:03:51
  the most she was chewing up the most scenery.
• 2:03:54
  Oh, for sure, for sure. Like after.
• 2:03:57
  She was getting a lot of empathy too.
• 2:03:59
  Like she, like really she was moved by these.
• 2:04:01
  Characters. And she, she had a question.
• 2:04:05
  The question that she asked really stood out to me because
• 2:04:07
  it was something that I kept asking myself throughout the
• 2:04:10
  series because she's like, like, she almost, she gets as
• 2:04:14
  exasperated as she can. And she's like, why do you need
• 2:04:17
  to know the answer anyway? Like, why does it matter?
• 2:04:20
  Like what is the truth anyway? You're going through this.
• 2:04:23
  You watched your friends die. You watched all this
• 2:04:25
  devastation. Like, what does it matter if you
• 2:04:28
  go back to your own world? And there's a really big point
• 2:04:31
  in that because I don't know about you, but if I make it out
• 2:04:34
  of Borderland, I'm never going to sleep again thinking, oh
• 2:04:37
  shit, I'm going to wake up in Borderland or I'm going to go
• 2:04:40
  get coffee. And then when I come out of the
• 2:04:42
  bathroom, I'm in Borderland. So like, it was interesting that
• 2:04:46
  she kind of confronted that with I'm like, why is it so important
• 2:04:49
  to you to find out why anyway? Because.
• 2:04:51
  Does it matter? The best ending you're going to
• 2:04:53
  get probably isn't going to be that great.
• 2:04:56
  Which brings us probably to the. End all right, final 20 ish
• 2:05:00
  minutes, I guess it was actually.
• 2:05:03
  Well, they win the game and they have every remaining player gets
• 2:05:07
  a choice between staying in the game or leaving the game.
• 2:05:10
  The majority of our players choose to leave the game,
• 2:05:13
  including Adisa and Usagi. They wake up in Tokyo.
• 2:05:18
  You see a replay of episode one from season one, the fireworks
• 2:05:23
  going off. They're not actually fireworks.
• 2:05:24
  It's actually a meteorite striking Tokyo and blowing out
• 2:05:29
  the intersection, and all of our characters are in that same
• 2:05:34
  intersection and where the most blast damage happened.
• 2:05:38
  And something that I noticed is that the people who died in the
• 2:05:43
  game were the ones that were announced as dead by the news.
• 2:05:49
  Yes. Yeah.
• 2:05:50
  So I have a question about this. This is probably the biggest
• 2:05:55
  question of the series. A question.
• 2:05:58
  A question the game where were they?
• 2:06:03
  Was it like purgatory? Was it just a combined, like
• 2:06:09
  their minds were somehow together during this flux period
• 2:06:13
  where all of their hearts stopped?
• 2:06:16
  All of them. Yeah, I think it's still
• 2:06:18
  fantastical. And they still ended up in like
• 2:06:21
  a a lost like mirror dimension version version of Tokyo and
• 2:06:27
  this purgatory minute long Borderlands.
• 2:06:32
  This minute long death ends and I think it was just purgatory
• 2:06:35
  too. Like a fantastical purgatory.
• 2:06:39
  But all this is called into question.
• 2:06:40
  There is like a fourteen O 8 ending on this.
• 2:06:43
  I don't know if you've seen the movie 14 O 8, which infamously
• 2:06:46
  has that. Movie.
• 2:06:47
  Oh my God, so so the movie 14. I was thinking about that the
• 2:06:52
  whole time, like when she was asking why do you want to go
• 2:06:54
  back? I'm like, no, literally, because
• 2:06:56
  it's like, would you like milk in your tea?
• 2:06:58
  I didn't order tea, I ordered coffee.
• 2:06:59
  You'd turn around. It's the fucking queen again.
• 2:07:01
  I think, Oh my God, when am I going to get out of here?
• 2:07:04
  Oh God. So fourteen O 8.
• 2:07:05
  For those who don't know, I highly recommend that horror
• 2:07:07
  movie. But it infamously has many
• 2:07:10
  different endings, and a few of the endings are basically,
• 2:07:14
  you're still in the room. You're still in room 14 O 8,
• 2:07:16
  right? It's all in.
• 2:07:17
  A The maintenance guy's ripping the wall that took.
• 2:07:20
  Yeah. So this has a little bit of a
• 2:07:22
  fourteen O 8 ending. It's a bit of a dot dot dot
• 2:07:25
  because they zoom in outside the hospital onto a table with a
• 2:07:30
  suit of playing cards on it, and all the playing cards blow away
• 2:07:35
  in the wind except for the joker.
• 2:07:39
  The unsettling zoom in on that joker it.
• 2:07:43
  Was I was like, well, there, that's how they tease it.
• 2:07:47
  Yeah. That's how they tease.
• 2:07:49
  It it was the last suit that wasn't.
• 2:07:50
  It was the only thing that was well, the ace cards were.
• 2:07:55
  The ace cards were never. Touched.
• 2:07:56
  Oh, that's right. No, they they never ever
• 2:08:01
  mentioned the ace cards. We never saw the ace cards but I
• 2:08:03
  feel like when they were at the beach in season one the ace
• 2:08:06
  cards were on the wall that. They were.
• 2:08:09
  They already scratched and. They were in the deck.
• 2:08:12
  Oh they were in the deck. Why did they never show it like
• 2:08:17
  in game or in the show? I don't know why they never
• 2:08:20
  showed the gameplay for the Aces, but in any case I was
• 2:08:24
  expecting. I was like, where is the Joker?
• 2:08:28
  Like this didn't surprise me in the slightest.
• 2:08:30
  Yeah, I honestly forgot all. About yeah, me too.
• 2:08:32
  Like I forgot. Oh shit, I just forgot.
• 2:08:35
  Like just in general, like you think of a deck of cards, you
• 2:08:38
  think of the 52, but you like in my head I'm like, I always like
• 2:08:43
  move the jokers out. I, you know, put them away and I
• 2:08:46
  play with the 52. So like in my head it wasn't
• 2:08:49
  immediate, like let where's the joker card?
• 2:08:52
  But when I see it, that's like, oh, of course, of course the
• 2:08:57
  Joker card was still out there. I OK, I guess I was the only one
• 2:09:04
  that thought like jokers. Like you were you were
• 2:09:07
  anticipating, I was expecting. It.
• 2:09:09
  Yeah, me. I was just like, I was like, oh,
• 2:09:12
  they got all the cards, we're good.
• 2:09:14
  And then, but then when they showed it, I was like, oh duh,
• 2:09:17
  of course decks always come with a Joker card.
• 2:09:21
  So it was one of those things where I just didn't, I didn't
• 2:09:23
  even pay mine to that being a possibility.
• 2:09:28
  It's I think I always 'cause I play a lot of card games and the
• 2:09:32
  first thing I do with a joke or card is throw it away 'cause
• 2:09:35
  nobody uses. That yeah, nobody.
• 2:09:36
  So it doesn't cross my mind, but they did something.
• 2:09:41
  This ending kind of pisses me like a little bit, just a little
• 2:09:45
  bit, just a little bit. Because it's like, well, it got
• 2:09:48
  renewed for Season 3. Yes, there is a season three
• 2:09:50
  happening and I hope we we can reunite for season three if
• 2:09:54
  we're not too upset with it. I.
• 2:09:56
  Don't know do we want to so well, this might be like a big
• 2:10:01
  it's it's not really a spoiler. I don't think it's a spoiler
• 2:10:03
  because this is a pretty big departure from what happens in
• 2:10:06
  the manga and what the Joker is in the manga.
• 2:10:09
  But do we want to leave that? Off.
• 2:10:10
  No, absolutely say it. Well, I'm curious.
• 2:10:13
  Maybe spoiler for the next minute or so.
• 2:10:16
  OK, so yeah, I'll even throw out a warning too.
• 2:10:19
  Spoiler if you haven't read the manga, spoiler in case I don't
• 2:10:22
  know what's going to be in season three.
• 2:10:23
  So I don't know. But I do remember that in the
• 2:10:27
  manga, like the joker's like not just a suit, it's like a person.
• 2:10:31
  And it's this very Rorschach ish nightmarish like looking thing.
• 2:10:36
  Adisu can't tell if he's like a God or like a devil or like
• 2:10:41
  something good or bad. And all that's basically left is
• 2:10:44
  like he's the one who overseas the games and carries you in and
• 2:10:49
  out of Borderland more than anything.
• 2:10:52
  But in the show, like they're insinuating like, oh, you're
• 2:10:56
  still in the game. So I think they're going to take
• 2:10:59
  a departure from the manga and use it for that.
• 2:11:01
  Basically like the Joker. The Joker's card is to set up a
• 2:11:04
  season three, I think. But it, it, it really, like, I
• 2:11:09
  don't know about you guys, but it filled me with so much dread,
• 2:11:12
  like when that showed up because it's like, uh, are they still in
• 2:11:17
  it? Is it just like a cruel joke by
• 2:11:19
  the Joker? You know what I mean?
• 2:11:21
  That like they're getting a happy ending or at least an
• 2:11:24
  ability, like, is another game about to start?
• 2:11:26
  Yeah, I it's terrifying. I don't know if I was terrified
• 2:11:30
  as much as I was, like, yeah, here we go.
• 2:11:32
  Like, I don't know, I strapped in a little easier than you did,
• 2:11:38
  maybe. I see.
• 2:11:39
  I think I let, I think I just like really like let it ride.
• 2:11:42
  At that point, I'm like, OK, it's.
• 2:11:43
  Over but I I thought it was a fine ending without the Joker
• 2:11:48
  card and even if they decided never to renew it for season
• 2:11:50
  three, I'd be like all right, even if it had the Joker teaser,
• 2:11:56
  I would have been like. OK, I could take it or leave it.
• 2:11:58
  On one hand, it's like I really like the ending that they got
• 2:12:00
  because it's like, OK, it's now after everything we've been
• 2:12:03
  through, it's our time to build a new life.
• 2:12:05
  But on the other hand, like my the only thing that gets me
• 2:12:07
  about the Joker is like bro, what now?
• 2:12:10
  Like, you know, like this show is so dense.
• 2:12:12
  Like I can't like what are you going to?
• 2:12:14
  I'm interested, but what what now, bro?
• 2:12:17
  Like 8 episodes of what? Like where like the deck is done
• 2:12:21
  unless they bring in the aces. Like did they?
• 2:12:24
  I guess I don't know, but I love the ending.
• 2:12:27
  I did love the ending. Actually, a lot.
• 2:12:29
  But I did like it was kind of fucked up that like his friends
• 2:12:32
  are still dead. It's like so only so my friends
• 2:12:34
  are still like, no, it's like, yeah, but they didn't get hit by
• 2:12:37
  the car. No, but they.
• 2:12:38
  Still, I know, I know they got hit by a meteorite, which is
• 2:12:40
  like even more like it's a freak thing.
• 2:12:44
  Right. You can't prepare that's.
• 2:12:45
  What you can do about that? Yeah, yeah.
• 2:12:49
  All right. We got through the whole show.
• 2:12:51
  Is there anything else that you guys wanted to add about Alice
• 2:12:54
  in Borderland or the experience of watching it or?
• 2:12:59
  I honestly think that this show would benefit from like pacing
• 2:13:05
  yourself, like if it because they release them all at the
• 2:13:08
  same time. But I think that if you're going
• 2:13:11
  to watch it, don't watch them all like in a row, you know,
• 2:13:15
  maybe break it up a couple episodes, you know, take a
• 2:13:18
  break, take. That's my opinion of it, because
• 2:13:21
  I think that allows you to let the episodes breathe a little
• 2:13:25
  bit. For sure, I agree.
• 2:13:27
  I agree. I think it's I think prepare for
• 2:13:30
  the tone to be like a little bit cartoony at times and you'll be
• 2:13:35
  OK. Like just view it like a live
• 2:13:37
  action anime the way you did, like Sucker Punch or Kill Bill.
• 2:13:41
  I think if somebody would have told me it was like that, I
• 2:13:43
  would have been a little more receptive, like right off rip.
• 2:13:46
  But other than but I, I mean, I still like the show, but it's
• 2:13:49
  just like if someone was told me like, hey, this gets kind of
• 2:13:51
  cartoony. I would have been like, OK,
• 2:13:52
  like, so it is a bit cartoony just a little bit.
• 2:13:55
  And I agree with Rico. This is not you don't this show
• 2:13:58
  is dense. You don't want to binge the
• 2:13:59
  show. You're going to enjoy it more if
• 2:14:01
  you watch it in chunks like of like one episode, 2 episodes Max
• 2:14:07
  per day like. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:14:10
  Well, these are some tips and tricks for us.
• 2:14:13
  If you've made it this far and spoiled the whole show for
• 2:14:15
  yourself and you're like, how do how should I best watch the
• 2:14:18
  show? This is how you should watch it.
• 2:14:20
  If you still want to watch all the way through.
• 2:14:22
  I think it's worth it. Well worth a watch.
• 2:14:25
  And we all still really enjoyed it.
• 2:14:26
  Four to five, 4 1/2 out of five. We highly recommend it.
• 2:14:30
  So thank you both for coming on the show.
• 2:14:34
  Thanks for having me. Look forward to Alice in
• 2:14:37
  Borderlands season three. Yeah, hit me up if you got any
• 2:14:40
  other shows down. The line, Yep, season three will
• 2:14:43
  be here, but we're see where the show goes at this point.
• 2:14:47
  Yeah, you know, how crazy can it really get?
• 2:14:50
  I know. What are they gonna do?
• 2:14:52
  Are they gonna ruin it? I don't know.
• 2:14:53
  I hope not. Hopefully not.
• 2:14:55
  I really hope. Not.
• 2:14:56
  Hopefully not. And leave his friends dead if
• 2:14:58
  you're going to leave them. Dead.
• 2:14:59
  Don't bring the friends back, please.
• 2:15:01
  That'd be too cruel. Anyway, that's been our show.
• 2:15:04
  Appreciate you guys listening to this long one, but that's it.
• 2:15:08
  I'm Jessica and this has been the Tabaki Rambles podcast.