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Secrets to Self-Control from the Bible and Brain Science with Drew Dyck & Iran Ministry Update with Lana Silk · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide. Overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined. Start
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  S1: your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not
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  S2: tricks but tips and tricks.
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  S3: Tips and tricks to kill. Tips and tricks.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up
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  S4: with achievement in good works. Well, God wasn't impressed by that,
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  S4: even if other people were.
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  S2: The gospel changes everything.
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  S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement
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  S5: just falling to the ground.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew.
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  S6: We had an unusual share this year.
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  S4: Yeah. You know, when we first started, pre share was
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  S4: a little bit soft and we were honest with you
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  S4: about that. And then that first day, again, we were
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  S4: just a little bit behind what our projected goals were.
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  S4: So we were not discouraged. But I think there was
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  S4: a healthy level of concern. Yeah, that's a good one.
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  S6: That's a good way that only Ali can word it
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  S6: that way.
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  S4: The numbers don't come out of nowhere. We have a
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  S4: team of people who sit down and make the projections
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  S4: based on expenses, based on areas of need, areas where
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  S4: we want to grow and expand. And so we come
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  S4: to you with numbers that there's a lot of work
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  S4: put into that. So when we're tracking pretty far behind,
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  S4: everyone takes notice.
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  S6: Yeah, yeah, it's really true. And then things began to
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  S6: turn on Wednesday during share. We felt really especially in
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  S6: the morning hours, woo, huge wind in our sails. As
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  S6: a matter of fact, usually Wednesday is supposed to be
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  S6: a dip down from Tuesday just because people come out
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  S6: hot and then it goes down. No, flip the script man.
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  S4: In a major way.
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  S6: Thank the Lord for that. But a total flip the
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  S6: script and then Thursday and Friday were just tremendous. And
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  S6: Friday was just gangbusters. And even Saturday morning we came
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  S6: in for a few hours and Michael Ray picked it
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  S6: up for three more hours. Uh, just home run ville. Now,
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  S6: let me tell you where we landed here. First, let
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  S6: me say this. Thank you to all of you. The
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  S6: numbers are 12,903 of you have jumped on with gifts
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  S6: for share. And I say have because listen, here's let
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  S6: me get let me get some facts here. It's something
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  S6: you need to know. We are so grateful for every
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  S6: penny given from the bottom of our heart. I mean,
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  S6: this is real. There's some of you that just I mean,
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  S6: we heard about people that went back and said, I'm
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  S6: going to do it again. I'm going to give twice.
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  S6: People increase their monthly partnerships. We call them impact partners.
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  S6: And we are so humbled by that. It's like, wow,
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  S6: you've already got skin in the game every month and
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  S6: now you're increasing it. Some increased at 100 bucks a month.
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  S6: Remember that? Yes, I think there were two of those.
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  S6: I mean, that's just crazy. But no matter who gave,
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  S6: we just want to say from the bottom of our heart.
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  S6: Thank you. And I mean, thank you. It was a
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  S6: big deal. And don't think for a moment that we
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  S6: aren't grateful for all these gifts. Oh my goodness. Small
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  S6: and large. It's just beautiful. I do know that. And
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  S6: we aren't doing this to say, oh, come on, help
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  S6: us make up this because we're sitting at 90.52% this
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  S6: morning of our goal of $4 million. And this is
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  S6: in no way linked to this at all, because if
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  S6: the door was shut right now, we'd say, glory be
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  S6: to God, because what came in came in. But if
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  S6: for some reason we know this happens, there's somebody screaming
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  S6: at the radio right now going, shoot, I was on
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  S6: spring break. Somebody else is saying I spaced it out
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  S6: and I know that's happening. So we want to make sure.
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  S6: Without any guilt manipulation or anything that everyone knows that
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  S6: the the portal is still there and we're going to
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  S6: have mail coming in still. I mean, how cool would
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  S6: it be if we hit 100%?
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  S4: That would be amazing.
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  S6: A reach, but more than anything else, we don't want
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  S6: to shut the door on people that say I really did.
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  S6: Or I do want to be a part of this
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  S6: right now.
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  S4: So you can text share to (800) 555-7898. Just text share
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  S4: to (800) 555-7898. Right now we're at 90.52% or just over
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  S4: $3.6 million of our overall goal of 4 million.
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  S6: Yeah, praising God for you and thanking you for all
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  S6: that you did. And the prayers about 800 of you
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  S6: praying Guys, all of you prayers. We are so grateful
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  S6: we can draw a direct line between the need that
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  S6: we felt, especially when we came in Wednesday morning and
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  S6: the videos that we sent out to you that were praying.
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  S6: And then the response. Um, it's just, it's just a
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  S6: cool thing. Yeah, just a cool thing. Uh, want to
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  S6: do something here? Yeah. So the link is share to
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  S6: 800 555 7898. Just that one word. We'll get you
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  S6: hooked up again. Zero pressure on that one, but grateful
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  S6: for all that's come in and all that will come in.
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  S6: And we love you. We really do. Just never done
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  S6: this after a share before. But this is such a
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  S6: cool promise out of Proverbs 11, verse 25. And then
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  S6: I want you to get the NIV translation. This is
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  S6: ESV whoever brings blessing will be enriched, and the one
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  S6: who waters will himself be watered. How cool is that promise?
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  S4: It is. And you. This is the way I learned.
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  S4: It was the NIV version. A generous person will prosper.
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  S4: Whoever refreshes others will be refreshed. This idea of being
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  S4: watered or being refreshed as you are a blessing or
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  S4: a refreshment to other people. I love that we're talking
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  S4: about this.
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  S6: Yeah, I really do too. And we need to start
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  S6: doing this every year. We really do because we, we
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  S6: are not in the camp of. Yeah, you give us 100.
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  S6: God's got a thousand coming your way. That's called manipulation.
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  S6: That's called eisegesis. That's reading meaning into the text of
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  S6: second Corinthians nine. And I guess one word that's bogus.
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  S3: No doubt. Okay.
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  S6: That's absolutely bogus theology. Don't buy into that garbage, man.
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  S6: That's just garbage theology. So but here is the reality.
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  S6: Those who water will be watered. And so question here
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  S6: is how did God water your soul as a result
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  S6: of giving to share or praying for share? How did
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  S6: God water your soul? And I want you to call
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  S6: in or text. We seem to get more texts on
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  S6: stuff like this because people that gave don't want to
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  S6: get on the horn and go, well, I gave and
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  S6: this is what God's doing to water me.
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  S4: We know that that's not your heart though. So call in.
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  S6: Or.
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  S4: Text in and just tell us simply, how did God
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  S4: water your soul as a result of giving to share
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  S4: or praying for share? 800 555 7898 (800) 555-7898.
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  S6: And in the spirit of share. Come on, let's go.
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  S6: We got this. Give us a call or text right now.
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  S6: How did God water your soul?
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  S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
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  S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in
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  S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: Taking your calls or texts here. It's right out of
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  S6: Proverbs 1125, man. Whoever brings a blessing will be enriched,
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  S6: and the one who waters will himself or herself be watered.
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  S6: What a promise of God, we're asking you. How did
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  S6: how did God water your soul as a result of
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  S6: giving or praying for share or both? 800 555 7890.
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  S6: Let's go to the phones. Bert in Forest Park. Man.
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  S6: What do you say, Bert?
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  S7: Hey, good morning crew. Hey, listen, first of all, thank
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  S7: you all for your heart. What you did, those little
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  S7: movies that we would get that somebody sent were just
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  S7: a encouragement along the way. So I just want you
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  S7: to know that it's very effective. Um, yeah, what I
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  S7: told people was as we were praying, it wasn't a,
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  S7: like we heard the urgency, like meet the, you know,
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  S7: meet the goal. But what I got while praying was
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  S7: fervent prayer for those first time givers and first time
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  S7: callers to be part of this because Moody's alight right
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  S7: on the hill and so they could enjoy what we
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  S7: enjoy every day to be. Able to, you know, take
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  S7: part in that. The second piece was to touch those
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  S7: hearts of those that have given or have been given
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  S7: in a while, and just a piece of God just
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  S7: came over me through Holy Spirit that it's good, like
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  S7: the budget's going to be met and it has to
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  S7: because there's just so much work to do in this world.
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  S7: But you all are now national, so it's so important
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  S7: that people tapped in. So there wasn't a freak out mode.
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  S7: There wasn't anything like even, you know, Ali's message, your message,
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  S7: like you all were calm, like it kept us calm.
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  S7: So it was like, okay, not freak out, but like urgency.
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  S3: Urgency.
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  S6: I love you, man. That is beautiful. I love you, Bert.
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  S6: Thank you for calling in this morning.
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  S4: We're getting some.
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  S6: Some cool text in here, aren't we, Alex.
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  S4: Yeah. And it's they're really around just kind of the
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  S4: joy of being able to be a part of this. Uh,
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  S4: Moody radio is extremely important. Someone wrote, uh, it's a
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  S4: life source. They were, they were remembered back last summer.
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  S4: We had some transmitter repairs that caused Moody Radio to
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  S4: be out for a little bit, so we were off air.
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  S4: Particularly for our Chicago Land listeners. And this person said,
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  S4: it made me realize that we need Moody to. And
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  S4: they wanted to, to boost the support for giving for
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  S4: the next 100 years. It's interesting as it was, it
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  S4: was a very unexpected outage. We were it was we
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  S4: were not happy about it, obviously, but it was beyond
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  S4: our control. So we had to be off air. So
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  S4: the fact that that God actually used that to kind
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  S4: of show people the need for Christian radio and what
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  S4: it would be like if that was not available.
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  S6: Yeah, it's so cool getting a lot of comments in here.
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  S6: A lot of them are related to prayer and it's
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  S6: just cool. Good insights we're getting here. Ali.
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  S4: Very good. If you've got one 800 555 7898 800
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  S4: 555 7898. Someone else texted and said, because you scheduled
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  S4: to because I scheduled that 30 minute time slot to
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  S4: pray for Moody, I'm scheduling specific 30 minute time periods
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  S4: each week to pray for others on my calendar. Wow.
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  S4: Thank you for helping me increase my prayer life and
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  S4: my relationships with others.
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  S6: Wow, that's a watering of the soul, isn't it?
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  S4: Very much so.
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  S6: Yeah. Yeah. A lot of lot of cool little insights
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  S6: coming in. Um, somebody says, I'm always amazed at how
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  S6: God has ordered your themes of the day to match
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  S6: my needs of the day, but not only for me,
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  S6: but also for a friend of mine who listens as well. Well,
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  S6: that's what we're here to do, man. We're here to
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  S6: just keep souls watered all we can.
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  S4: And one more that this. We heard this from another
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  S4: listener earlier, that it was the opportunity to speak with
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  S4: the student and receive prayer, that there was a dedicated
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  S4: team of students who were spent time on their spring
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  S4: break to, to be in the call center, to take
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  S4: the calls, to accept the donations and get to pray
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  S4: with some of the listeners who called in to give.
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  S4: So it's cool to hear that there were some interactions,
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  S4: some ministry happening even in those short little phone calls.
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  S6: Big time, big time. So let me tell you where
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  S6: we were at here. Really quick flyby. We were Tuesday,
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  S6: we came out of the chute hot on Tuesday. And
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  S6: then we realized, whoa, it ain't hot. And we walked
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  S6: out of here on Tuesday, not discouraged, but sobered up over. Wow.
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  S6: It's going to be a God moment week. And it
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  S6: was because we picked up, in fact, uh, the second day.
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  S6: Wednesdays always supposed to be down from the first day.
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  S6: But the second day, Wednesday we we crushed Tuesday, which
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  S6: was really cool. And then it picked up steam Thursday
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  S6: and really picked up on Friday. And I do want
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  S6: to say this, you the boom crew, man, you throw
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  S6: this up on your back and carry it up the hill.
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  S6: All across North America and beyond. Turks and Caicos came
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  S6: in three times.
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  S4: Yes.
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  S6: Soddy-daisy. Tennessee, right?
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  S4: Yeah. Ghana, South Africa. Yeah, I mean we.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S4: Saw gifts from all over the world.
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  S6: So yeah, we're short of the 4 million. We got 90.56%.
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  S6: So we've just been saying zero pressure. But if you
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  S6: feel like. Shoot, I was on spring break. I spaced
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  S6: it out. I was going to. I'm want to. We've
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  S6: got room for you still this morning.
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  S4: You can text share to 800 555 7898 text share
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  S4: to 800 555 7898. Now you're going to get that link.
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  S4: You're going to see two things. You're going to see
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  S4: a direct link to give online. Also a phone number.
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  S4: The share phone number is going to be in this
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  S4: text as well. So that's going to be the one
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  S4: that you use to actually give your gift. So just
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  S4: text share to (800) 555-7898.
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  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S6: Well, okay. I sat down with drew. Dick had an
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  S6: amazing conversation. Your future self will thank you. And that's
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  S6: coming up here.
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  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
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  S1: Moody Radio.
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  S6: You know, it's an interesting thing. Life is. It's easy
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  S6: to look at our circumstances and, uh, uh, we can
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  S6: look around and go, man, that neighbor, they're messing with me.
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  S6: Their dog poops on my lawn morning, noon, and night.
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  S6: We look at the, uh, the government dadgummit. They're taking
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  S6: so much taxes out. How can a man get ahead anyway?
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  S6: Look at that family of origin and go. I was
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  S6: raised by a bunch of dingbats. How in the world
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  S6: is a guy supposed to make it through life?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: But one of the most liberating things we can do
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  S6: is get up in the morning and look in that mirror,
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  S6: and then take a longer look and go, ooh.
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  S2: It's true. We're not all just the product of other people. Yes,
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  S2: some people have done some things and that can hurt.
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  S2: It can be hard.
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  S6: The greatest thing we can do is look in that
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  S6: mirror and go, oh, you're the problem.
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  S2: Yes.
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  S3: Very hard.
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  S6: And it's hard because it's easy to look around and
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  S6: go look at all the idiots.
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  S2: Yeah, yeah, well, you got to think about it like this. Listen,
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  S2: everybody is sinful.
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  S3: And.
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  S6: I'm glad you got the answer. Then we don't need
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  S6: our guests.
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  S3: To come in here, so go ahead. Oh.
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  S2: No. Just. I'm going to set him up.
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  S3: Okay?
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  S2: Okay, everybody. Everybody is sinful and imperfect. And if you
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  S2: are the captain of your own ship and everyone is
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  S2: sinful and imperfect, you can't just blame the crew for everything.
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  S2: The captain, who is also sinful and imperfect, is the
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  S2: one piloting the ship. Thank you. We have to. We
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  S2: have to take ownership there.
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  S6: I yeah, captain, appreciate that. Uh, drew Dick, what do
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  S6: we do about this? Man? It really is a powerful
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  S6: thing when we can look in the mirror and go.
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  S6: And by the way, this isn't discounting or dumbing down
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  S6: a lot of things that people have gone through. Some
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  S6: vicious sexual abuse, torment, torture. We're talking with people right
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  S6: now that are listening from, uh, other regions of the
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  S6: world who are persecuted for their faith. But the funny
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  S6: thing is, drew, we look at the man or woman
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  S6: in the mirror and we go, that's what we can
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  S6: do something about. What do you say?
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  S8: I think you're right on. I would love to blame
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  S8: other people for all of my problems. That's a lot easier.
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  S8: And yes, sometimes we do face real challenges, some more
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  S8: serious than others from other people. But man, at least
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  S8: in my experience, the person that gives me the most
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  S8: frustration is that that idiot staring back at me in
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  S8: the mirror every morning. Uh, and so yeah, and I
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  S8: think this is like, there's a spiritual truth to this too, right?
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  S8: Because sometimes as Christians too, we just want to blame
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  S8: the devil. And don't get me wrong, we have spiritual
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  S8: warfare is real. We have an enemy of our souls, uh,
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  S8: poorly in our life, especially spiritually.
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  S6: Why do we do that?
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  S8: Well, I think it goes back to having a sinful nature.
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  S8: We just are kind of bent towards selfishness and sin,
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  S8: and it's incredibly frustrating. The good news, though, as we
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  S8: know from Scripture, is that God not only saves us,
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  S8: but he is not content to leave us how he
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  S8: found us, right? Praise God that he says, hey, by
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  S8: the power of My Holy Spirit, you can change as
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  S8: you cooperate with me. You can experience victory over sin
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  S8: and it is amazing. I talk to so many people
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  S8: and you've probably had this experience too. They're telling you
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  S8: about how hard their life is, all the terrible things
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  S8: that have happened to them, and you don't want to
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  S8: be a jerk, but you're thinking a lot of these
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  S8: things are things that you've done to yourself, right? And
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  S8: sometimes it's good to think of our own circumstances and go,
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  S8: how many of these things, these hardships have actually brought
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  S8: upon myself with my own sin, with my own laziness,
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  S8: with my own refusal to do the hard work in
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  S8: my soul and let God get into those spaces that
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  S8: he wants to transform. But the good news is, yes,
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  S8: glory to God. He changes us. He's not content to
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  S8: leave us like he found us.
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  S6: All right, I've got his book in my hand and
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  S6: we're digging through it. Your future self will thank you.
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  S6: Secrets to self control from the Bible and brain science.
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  S6: And there's no way we can get all of it.
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  S6: But I'm going to hit some high points as I'm
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  S6: prompted along here. This is important topic because and I
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  S6: and I'm going deep into your book here, but you
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  S6: say basically willpower is limited. It runs out, leaving you
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  S6: vulnerable to sin. You have a whole section on this,
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  S6: and I'm so glad you do because the the natural
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  S6: man goes back. We find this in Galatians, who's bewitched
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  S6: you that that you began in the spirit. Why are
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  S6: you working out in the flesh? In other words, why
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  S6: are you trying to suck it up in your own willpower?
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  S6: Why is this so prevalent?
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  S8: This is something that I ran into as I was
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  S8: researching this book, and it was surprising to me that
• 18:24
  S8: researchers actually look at willpower. That is our ability to
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  S8: withstand temptation or do something difficult, and they found something
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  S8: surprising about it, and that is that it's a finite resource.
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  S8: It runs out. You can't, you know, you can't sit
• 18:36
  S8: there and be strong forever. And that was really transformational
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  S8: for me because I looked at scripture a little differently too,
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  S8: and it made sense of a lot of the commands
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  S8: that we see in Scripture. You know, we're told to
• 18:46
  S8: flee temptation rather than stand and fight it because God
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  S8: knows that we're we're weak and we actually get weaker
• 18:52
  S8: as we go. We think maybe we can fend off
• 18:54
  S8: a temptation once and then we'll be strong the second
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  S8: time around. But often you're weaker. And so I think
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  S8: there's just a humility in that. And you go, you
• 19:01
  S8: know what, God, I need you. I am too weak
• 19:05
  S8: to do this Christian life on my own. I can't
• 19:07
  S8: white knuckle my way to success through sheer grit or willpower.
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  S8: I need your spirit to help me grow in this area.
• 19:15
  S8: And so yeah, as I looked at the research on
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  S8: this topic, it was just amazing to me at how
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  S8: often it would coincide with exactly what scripture says about us. Surprise, surprise, right?
• 19:25
  S8: God knows how we're wired and and, uh, set, uh,
• 19:29
  S8: gave us his word accordingly. But yeah, this is where
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  S8: we really need God's spirit to help us.
• 19:33
  S6: I love the byline. The subtitle to your book, Secrets
• 19:37
  S6: to Self-Control from the Bible and Brain Science. The funny
• 19:41
  S6: thing is, is I don't even know why they couldn't
• 19:43
  S6: come up with different words. It's translated in English, I know,
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  S6: but self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. It's
• 19:51
  S6: not a fruit of the flesh. Isn't that ironic?
• 19:54
  S8: That's correct. And even the term self-control. You're right. That's
• 19:58
  S8: an English translation, obviously of the Greek. But it can
• 20:00
  S8: be a little deceiving because it makes it sound like
• 20:02
  S8: it's all on us. Right? But as we know from
• 20:06
  S8: Galatians five there, it's a fruit of the spirit. And
• 20:08
  S8: Paul is using a metaphor, really. He's saying we're like
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  S8: plants or trees, right? And if we want to see
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  S8: these fruit of the spirit grow in our lives like
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  S8: a tree, we need to be connected to the soil.
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  S8: We need to be connected to God. If these things are,
• 20:21
  S8: are going to grow in our lives. So these aren't
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  S8: independent virtues that we can just muster up on our
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  S8: own accord. We need God's Spirit. That's the kind of
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  S8: paradox at the heart of this issue, because some people
• 20:31
  S8: kind of go, hey, listen, I can just, you know,
• 20:34
  S8: let go and let God. I can kick back and
• 20:36
  S8: take a pleasure cruise towards holiness. And wouldn't that be
• 20:39
  S8: cool if that were the case? But I don't think
• 20:40
  S8: that reflects the biblical language of striving, of struggling, of
• 20:44
  S8: killing sin. And yet, uh, we can't do it on
• 20:48
  S8: our own. We need God. This is something that we
• 20:50
  S8: need to cooperate with God as he works in our heart,
• 20:52
  S8: in our lives to change us from the inside out.
• 20:55
  S6: Yeah. I want you to explain something in your book.
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  S6: You write, ultimately, the best way to avoid sin, the
• 21:02
  S6: most powerful means of self-control, comes by listening to a
• 21:07
  S6: sweeter song. What do you mean by that?
• 21:09
  S8: You know, talking about their kind of two ways to
• 21:12
  S8: resist sin and both have some merit. There are practical
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  S8: steps that we can take putting up, you know, boundaries
• 21:19
  S8: in our life, having accountability. These are all incredibly important.
• 21:23
  S8: But at the end of the day, you know, I
• 21:25
  S8: love what the Scottish preacher Thomas Chalmers, called the expulsive
• 21:30
  S8: power of a new affection. And that's a mouthful. But what.
• 21:33
  S3: He was talking.
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  S8: About.
• 21:34
  S3: Statement.
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  S8: Right? It's like, listen, if you want to defeat sin,
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  S8: if you want to grow in your spiritual life, what
• 21:42
  S8: you need is something better than the sin. More thrilling,
• 21:46
  S8: more transformative to enter your life and your heart and
• 21:48
  S8: push out that sin, right? And so I think there's
• 21:52
  S8: truth to that man. And that's what I mean, listening
• 21:54
  S8: to the sweeter song of the gospel. Because ultimately, you
• 21:57
  S8: can't just sit there with steely resolve and try to
• 21:59
  S8: defeat sin. You need to be captivated by God's call
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  S8: for your life, by the gospel, by his love for you,
• 22:06
  S8: by your identity in Christ. Those are the things that
• 22:09
  S8: are going to be, that are going to slake that
• 22:11
  S8: spiritual thirst in your soul and make you resist sin.
• 22:14
  S8: And Scripture is full of these commands, right? We're, we're told,
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  S8: don't be drunk with wine, for instance. And what is
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  S8: that about? Is God just a party pooper? No, there's
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  S8: a corollary. It says, be filled with the spirit. There's
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  S8: something better in God. Amen. And that's what we find
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  S8: with every sort of sin. There's a corollary. There's something
• 22:29
  S8: that God, he's going to fulfill you. And anytime you
• 22:32
  S8: you give in to sin, really, you're kind of not
• 22:34
  S8: believing one of God's promises. You're going, you know what?
• 22:37
  S8: I'm going to take shortcuts to get the resources that
• 22:39
  S8: I need in life. And God's going, no, I own
• 22:41
  S8: the cattle on a thousand hills. There are pleasures at
• 22:44
  S8: my right hand forevermore. You don't have to take those
• 22:46
  S8: shortcuts and grasp for the pleasure that you think you're owed.
• 22:49
  S8: I'm going to take care of you.
• 22:51
  S6: So your contention, drew, drew Dick, my guest right now,
• 22:54
  S6: and he is the author of this book, your Future
• 22:56
  S6: Self will thank you. Secrets to self-control from the Bible
• 22:59
  S6: and Brain Science. And we're going to have a link
• 23:01
  S6: here in a minute. Your contention is we've got a
• 23:03
  S6: two puny view of God, and it leaves us living
• 23:06
  S6: a limited life.
• 23:07
  S8: Amen. That's exactly right. That's where you need to press
• 23:11
  S8: into those just basic spiritual disciplines. Spending time with God
• 23:15
  S8: in His Word, spending time in prayer, being with the
• 23:18
  S8: community of saints. You know, it's so easy to slap
• 23:21
  S8: the snooze and sleep in on Sunday morning. You think? Ah,
• 23:23
  S8: I've heard these kind of sermons a million times anyway.
• 23:26
  S8: But man, you need that. You need that worship with
• 23:28
  S8: the body of Christ to remind you of the beautiful
• 23:31
  S8: truths in Scripture. And when you do that, when you
• 23:34
  S8: fill up your heart with the things of God, it
• 23:36
  S8: does have a way of crowding out the sinful impulses
• 23:39
  S8: that that you struggle with.
• 23:41
  S6: I'm laughing. I get something in my heart that's funny here.
• 23:43
  S6: So when Bible school students are hilarious because they're young
• 23:48
  S6: and they're dumb and they don't know what they're doing. And,
• 23:51
  S6: and I was one of them. But I had a
• 23:53
  S6: buddy of mine, one of my best buddies who's best
• 23:55
  S6: man in my wedding. He had a roommate and he
• 23:58
  S6: was new to him, didn't know him. First night, my
• 24:01
  S6: buddy Joe's laying on the on the bed, on the bunk,
• 24:04
  S6: his roommate's above him, and all of a sudden he
• 24:07
  S6: hears boom, boom. And Joe's like, what in the world
• 24:12
  S6: is going on? And, uh, he yells up the guy.
• 24:17
  S6: He goes, hey, brother, are you okay? And he said,
• 24:20
  S6: I'm just buffeting my body. Well, he was hitting himself
• 24:25
  S6: because he was being tempted with something in the night.
• 24:29
  S6: And here's here's what's interesting. I find this because you've
• 24:34
  S6: got a quote in your book. This is what you say.
• 24:35
  S6: It can be natural to think that feeling really bad
• 24:39
  S6: about yourself is the way to improve your behavior. But
• 24:43
  S6: piling on guilt is never the answer. It's to keep
• 24:47
  S6: diving back to grace. There's some of us that not
• 24:51
  S6: dreaming and not sounding as crazy as that. Do this
• 24:55
  S6: in the day. We beat ourselves up over temptations and sins.
• 25:01
  S6: And as crazy as that sounds for my roommate in
• 25:03
  S6: the middle of the night to hear that going on,
• 25:06
  S6: that's a silent thing that's happening every day. Drew, what
• 25:09
  S6: are we going to do about it?
• 25:10
  S8: You would think there's an intuitive sense that if I
• 25:13
  S8: really beat myself up over my sin or my shortcomings
• 25:17
  S8: that my behavior will improve. And it's funny you share
• 25:19
  S8: that story. I remember a buddy, uh, in my youth
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  S8: group when I was young, he'd have a rubber band
• 25:24
  S8: around his wrist, and when he'd have an impure thought, man,
• 25:27
  S8: he would stretch that thing out and let her fly. Uh, man,
• 25:31
  S8: it's very effective.
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  S3: I would have had a swollen.
• 25:33
  S6: Wrist.
• 25:33
  S3: Right?
• 25:34
  S8: We'd all have sore wrists. Um, but there's this idea that, man,
• 25:38
  S8: if we can punish ourselves and even in more profound ways,
• 25:40
  S8: we think, man, if I can just wallow in this
• 25:42
  S8: guilt and feel bad enough, then then God will certainly
• 25:46
  S8: forgive me and I'll make progress. And while it's important
• 25:49
  S8: to feel that repentance when you sin and to to
• 25:52
  S8: confess your sins to God, ultimately, like you said there,
• 25:56
  S8: it graces the answer. A lot of people think grace
• 25:58
  S8: is just, oh, that's how I get saved. But it's
• 26:00
  S8: also how you grow. Because when you internalize that forgiveness,
• 26:04
  S8: that love of God, and to know that, hey, I'm
• 26:07
  S8: still a child of God, you know, when my kids
• 26:09
  S8: mess up, you know, they come home and they did
• 26:10
  S8: something bad at school. I don't go, okay? Sorry, son.
• 26:14
  S8: You're not my son anymore. Maybe when your behavior improves,
• 26:17
  S8: you'll be my son again. No, he's my son all
• 26:19
  S8: the time, right? No matter. Regardless of his behavior. It's
• 26:22
  S8: the same with God. And so when you really internalize
• 26:24
  S8: that grace of God, it actually becomes the fuel. I
• 26:26
  S8: remember researching for this book and I came across one
• 26:29
  S8: kind of funny study. It was from diet researchers, and
• 26:32
  S8: they identified a phenomenon they called the what the heck effect.
• 26:35
  S8: And I'm editing it a little bit for sensitive ears.
• 26:38
  S3: Yeah, sure, sure.
• 26:39
  S8: What the heck effect? And this was when people were
• 26:41
  S8: on a diet and they had one small indiscretion, say
• 26:44
  S8: they ate a piece of pizza or a slice of cake.
• 26:46
  S8: What followed that behavior was a full on binge. And
• 26:50
  S8: if anyone listening has struggled with your weight like I have,
• 26:54
  S8: you know what they're talking about. Because there's this idea,
• 26:56
  S8: it's like, I messed up. What the heck? I'm just
• 26:59
  S8: going to go crazy and throw caution to the wind
• 27:01
  S8: and eat whatever I want. And they also identified an
• 27:04
  S8: opposite phenomenon. That is when people felt like they had
• 27:06
  S8: a fresh start. Their behavior actually improved. And that's just
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  S8: kind of a silly illustration for a deeper spiritual truth,
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  S8: I think, is that when we when we feel like
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  S8: we've truly been forgiven, that our identity is secure as
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  S8: children of God. What follows that isn't more license to sin.
• 27:22
  S8: Our behavior actually improves. You know, and Paul talks about this,
• 27:25
  S8: he says, shall we go on sinning? That grace may increase.
• 27:28
  S8: By no means or heaven forbid, some translations read right.
• 27:32
  S8: It's like no, what follows that is gratitude and desire
• 27:35
  S8: to please God and to walk in that forgiveness. So
• 27:38
  S8: grace is the fuel for growth in this area. A
• 27:42
  S8: lot of people miss that.
• 27:43
  S3: You know.
• 27:43
  S6: You just you just shared something there that is profoundly simple.
• 27:47
  S6: But if we look at the fact that his mercies
• 27:51
  S6: are new every morning, every day is a fresh start
• 27:55
  S6: in kingdom living. Drew.
• 27:57
  S8: Amen. Isn't that beautiful? And we need that. I don't
• 28:00
  S8: know about you. I need that fresh start.
• 28:02
  S3: Oh, I do every day.
• 28:04
  S6: I mean, I'm sitting here. I got a whole team
• 28:07
  S6: of folks staring back at me right now. They're well
• 28:09
  S6: aware of the fact that I need new mercy every day.
• 28:11
  S6: We all need that. Okay. One last thing I want
• 28:14
  S6: to tackle here, because, uh. I want to play a
• 28:18
  S6: blame game. Just go to the internet or the phone
• 28:21
  S6: or electronics and use make a statement in your book.
• 28:23
  S6: The internet hasn't created any new temptations. It's just heightened
• 28:28
  S6: the ones that were there all along. I love it,
• 28:30
  S6: but expand on it, my man.
• 28:32
  S8: Yeah. No. It's true. Uh, yeah, they may not be new,
• 28:35
  S8: but they're amplified. Think of any sort of vice that
• 28:38
  S8: people have, whether it's lust, whether it's gambling, whether it's, uh, materialism.
• 28:45
  S8: The internet has heightened these temptations. They've put them right
• 28:48
  S8: in our face. Things are accessible in a way that
• 28:50
  S8: they never were a generation ago. And that's not to say, oh,
• 28:54
  S8: that we need to feel more sorry for ourselves than
• 28:56
  S8: than Christians in history. But what we do need to
• 28:58
  S8: do is be a little more vigilant. And this has
• 29:00
  S8: been an area in which I've had to really implement
• 29:03
  S8: some things in my life to make sure that tech
• 29:05
  S8: doesn't crowd into every area of my life to be
• 29:08
  S8: really intentional. and researchers talk about a thing they call
• 29:11
  S8: the bright line strategy. I love this because it's just
• 29:14
  S8: basically hard and fast. Rules can sound like legalism, but
• 29:18
  S8: it's really just wisdom where you go, you know what?
• 29:20
  S8: I'm not going to look at my phone past 8 p.m.
• 29:24
  S8: or I'm not going to use my computer when I'm alone.
• 29:27
  S8: If you struggle with looking at images online, you shouldn't.
• 29:30
  S8: Whatever it is, I think it's not legalism. It's wisdom
• 29:34
  S8: to kind of put some boundaries around your life. And
• 29:36
  S8: aside from the sin issue too, we all know we
• 29:39
  S8: can just get caught in a cycle of doomscrolling where
• 29:42
  S8: you're just wasting a tremendous amount of time on your phone.
• 29:45
  S8: I certainly can anyway, and I doubt any of us.
• 29:48
  S8: We never sit down at the beginning of the week
• 29:50
  S8: and say, you know what? I'm going to pencil in
• 29:52
  S8: 35 hours this week to stare at my phone and
• 29:54
  S8: then maybe another 30 hours of TV.
• 29:56
  S3: But those.
• 29:57
  S6: Are the numbers, by.
• 29:57
  S3: The way.
• 29:58
  S8: But those are the numbers. It sounds ridiculous, but this
• 30:01
  S8: is exactly how we spend our hours and days and weeks.
• 30:04
  S8: And so just to have a little bit of intentionality
• 30:06
  S8: when it comes to how we spend our time and
• 30:09
  S8: making sure that these these devices that are so powerful,
• 30:13
  S8: that are very useful in many ways, don't destroy the
• 30:16
  S8: quiet in our heart. Don't steal our peace and don't
• 30:19
  S8: lead us into temptations.
• 30:20
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• 31:03
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• 31:06
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  S6: Absolutely, man. So we're going to be getting into that.
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• 31:33
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• 31:36
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• 31:38
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• 31:44
  S6: church has been growing, that's that's going to be a
• 31:47
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• 31:50
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• 31:51
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• 31:55
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• 32:03
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• 32:41
  S9: I think it's been two weeks now.
• 32:43
  S6: Maybe a few hours past that since, uh, Israel and
• 32:49
  S6: the United States of America really went full bore against Iran,
• 32:54
  S6: their leadership, the mullahs. And there is so I mean,
• 32:58
  S6: everybody's got an opinion on these things. It seems like. Well,
• 33:02
  S6: that's nothing new. Everybody's always had an opinion on every
• 33:05
  S6: world event or even national event for sure, but it's
• 33:09
  S6: an awesome thing when we can go below the surface
• 33:12
  S6: alley and find someone who's got a pipeline, not just
• 33:16
  S6: to what's going on geopolitically, but what's going on spiritually.
• 33:19
  S4: So we have Lana Silk. She has been just such
• 33:22
  S4: a trusted friend to our program, bringing us these updates.
• 33:25
  S4: She's the president and chief executive officer with Transform Iran.
• 33:30
  S4: Good morning Lana. Thank you for being with us. Again,
• 33:33
  S4: providing these updates from your vantage point, what's the what's
• 33:37
  S4: the most significant thing that we should be looking for
• 33:40
  S4: looking at right now as it pertains to Iran?
• 33:44
  S10: Good morning both. Thank you for having me again. Uh, well,
• 33:47
  S10: it kind of depends if you're asking that question on
• 33:50
  S10: a political realm or on a or on a spiritual realm, uh,
• 33:53
  S10: just looking at it from a human perspective, it seems
• 33:56
  S10: that Iran is becoming a little more fragmented as the
• 34:00
  S10: days and weeks go by. They have replaced the Supreme Leader,
• 34:04
  S10: but no one has seen him in public yet. There's
• 34:06
  S10: a lot of speculation as to whether he is even
• 34:08
  S10: still alive and what state he's in. And it does
• 34:11
  S10: feel like the different fragments of Iranian leadership are operating
• 34:15
  S10: maybe a little more independently today. So we watch and wait.
• 34:19
  S10: But spiritually, we see this this spiritual war intensifying, and
• 34:24
  S10: us as believers looking at it with a lens of faith,
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  S10: knowing that God is shaking the space and getting ready
• 34:31
  S10: to do spectacular things.
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  S6: Yeah. Love it. Lana, just on this on this structure,
• 34:38
  S6: I was cogitating I was thinking about this the other day.
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  S6: And when you've got probably 20, 25% of that nation
• 34:46
  S6: that has made their income for for decades plus off
• 34:50
  S6: of the current regime, man, it's going to have to
• 34:53
  S6: be a God thing to dislodge that, because you've got
• 34:57
  S6: a lot of people who have a vested interest in
• 35:00
  S6: holding on to that current regime and their neighbors and friends,
• 35:04
  S6: and they walk in the marketplace with everyone. That's a
• 35:08
  S6: that's a unique thing, isn't it, Lana?
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  S11: It is a unique thing, I would say, even though,
• 35:14
  S11: of course.
• 35:14
  S10: Stability in the government is going to help everyone, uh,
• 35:19
  S10: make a living and, you know, have economic stability. The
• 35:23
  S10: current setup wasn't allowing that for the Iranian people because
• 35:26
  S10: there was so much of the country's money was being
• 35:29
  S10: spent on war. So in percentages of people who would
• 35:34
  S10: really have a vested interest in the success and continuation
• 35:37
  S10: of this government, I'd say it's even less than that,
• 35:39
  S10: to be honest.
• 35:40
  S6: What do you think it is?
• 35:41
  S10: Less than ten.
• 35:42
  S6: Less than.
• 35:43
  S10: 10%. Interesting.
• 35:45
  S6: So yeah, this is fascinating stuff. Lana. Silk is our
• 35:50
  S6: guest right now. She's president and chief executive officer with
• 35:54
  S6: Transform Iran. All right. Let's get to.
• 35:57
  S9: You know, I got.
• 35:58
  S6: A crazy question for you. The revival, the growth of
• 36:02
  S6: that church in Iran. Is it because of persecution or
• 36:07
  S6: in spite of persecution? I know that sounds like a
• 36:10
  S6: crazy question because no one wants to be persecuted. But
• 36:14
  S6: you see, churches thrive in persecution. What's going on at
• 36:19
  S6: a soul level? Lana.
• 36:21
  S10: That is such a good question. Carl. A short answer is,
• 36:25
  S10: I would say in spite. I would say that God
• 36:27
  S10: doesn't send the persecution himself. Persecution in and of itself
• 36:32
  S10: isn't a good thing. It is a suffering that is caused.
• 36:35
  S10: Caused because the enemy is attacking believers. But the in
• 36:39
  S10: spite is important. God, of course, did warn us that
• 36:42
  S10: we would have persecution. And what happens when you are
• 36:46
  S10: persecuted is you have to really consider how important your
• 36:50
  S10: faith is, how far you're prepared to go to preserve it,
• 36:54
  S10: what you would do for God, what you would lay
• 36:57
  S10: aside in order to be able to follow him. And
• 36:59
  S10: when those kinds of questions are being asked and answered
• 37:02
  S10: in a healthy way, then your faith is stronger. So naturally,
• 37:06
  S10: you create an environment in which you are going to
• 37:09
  S10: grow because you're making good decisions and you're really prioritizing,
• 37:13
  S10: prioritizing God above all else.
• 37:15
  S6: You know, I don't know if this is true for you, Lana,
• 37:17
  S6: but I think about persecution and I think we can
• 37:21
  S6: imagine all day long. What would I do if. Right?
• 37:26
  S6: I think we can. I think we can imagine that.
• 37:28
  S6: My theological contention is it's almost like the promise that
• 37:33
  S6: when you stand before governors and kings and princes, God
• 37:35
  S6: will give you the words to say. I think that
• 37:38
  S6: grace is deposited at that moment when you need it,
• 37:41
  S6: because I think you can you can drive yourself crazy thinking,
• 37:45
  S6: do I have the stuff to stand up? And. And
• 37:48
  S6: the truth is, we don't. So these people, men and women,
• 37:52
  S6: precious men and women, some old, some young, some children.
• 37:57
  S6: There is no greater display of God's grace, his unmerited favor,
• 38:02
  S6: his unlimited power, than in these beautiful saints of God
• 38:07
  S6: in Iran that are getting summarily executed for their faith
• 38:11
  S6: or beaten up. I what are your thoughts on that
• 38:14
  S6: when grace is deposited in that moment?
• 38:17
  S12: Lana, I think you're spot on.
• 38:18
  S10: There are so many scriptures that promise that God would
• 38:21
  S10: increase his deposit of grace, as you put it so
• 38:24
  S10: well on us when we are struggling and when we
• 38:27
  S10: need it. I think there is something to be said
• 38:30
  S10: for what we do in in a sense, in preparation
• 38:34
  S10: for that. And I say preparation because Jesus has warned
• 38:37
  S10: and even promised us that we will have struggle. So
• 38:40
  S10: it would be naive to assume that life is going
• 38:42
  S10: to go on easy if it's easy right now. That's
• 38:45
  S10: almost temporary. So we have to anticipate that from one way.
• 38:49
  S10: One way or another, we're going to be tested in
• 38:51
  S10: our faith. And the question is how well are we
• 38:53
  S10: shooting ourselves in the word? How how regular is our
• 38:57
  S10: communion with with God to prepare us for a time
• 39:01
  S10: when we will be tested? And it's sometimes a little
• 39:03
  S10: late at that point to say, oh, I better open
• 39:05
  S10: my Bible. You'd hope that by then you have had
• 39:07
  S10: a regular deposit of God in your life.
• 39:11
  S4: Lana Silk, President and Chief Executive Officer with Transform Iran.
• 39:14
  S4: Coming up, let's talk about the Ministry of Transform Iran
• 39:17
  S4: and what's happening on the streets of Iran. Even right now.
• 39:21
  S1: Standing on the rock each and every day, you're listening
• 39:25
  S1: to Carl and crew.
• 39:27
  S4: Lana Silk, our guest right now, she's the chief executive
• 39:30
  S4: officer and president with Transform Iran. You're seeing revival even
• 39:34
  S4: amid persecution in under difficult conditions in Iran. Talk up.
• 39:40
  S4: Give us some story, a story, Lana, of what Christians
• 39:44
  S4: are experiencing right now, even in spite of so much hardship.
• 39:49
  S12: Ali.
• 39:49
  S10: It's really encouraging to see that even while things are difficult,
• 39:53
  S10: people are turning to Jesus. The Christians themselves, to answer
• 39:57
  S10: the question from their perspective, are really holding on to hope.
• 40:01
  S10: I'm amazed the way people are constantly reassuring us. We
• 40:06
  S10: are calling them to check on them, to make sure
• 40:08
  S10: they're okay, and they're saying, don't worry, God is good.
• 40:10
  S10: We're holding on to hope.
• 40:11
  S13: We see God moving.
• 40:13
  S10: So it's a very interesting dynamic. And people who don't
• 40:17
  S10: know Jesus in this climate, when they're being so heavily scrutinized,
• 40:20
  S10: are turning to him. New people contacting us through digital church,
• 40:24
  S10: through the AI tool. We've put out lots of questions
• 40:26
  S10: and people wanting to follow Jesus.
• 40:29
  S6: Yeah. This is beautiful. Lana, what is the you know,
• 40:34
  S6: your people, you you know what's in the background, you
• 40:38
  S6: know what's in the forefront. If, um, if things are
• 40:42
  S6: on tilt here geopolitically, what do you anticipate? And you're
• 40:47
  S6: a leader, you're a born leader. What are you doing
• 40:50
  S6: to prepare for these next days, weeks, months there? Things
• 40:56
  S6: are shifting right now. This could be an incredible time
• 41:00
  S6: of spiritual harvest.
• 41:02
  S10: Yes, absolutely. We have to prepare spiritually and practically. And
• 41:06
  S10: we've been doing both for several decades now. So it's
• 41:09
  S10: really exciting to be at this point thinking, okay, this
• 41:13
  S10: the way we've been talking, Iran is going to be open.
• 41:17
  S10: We need to be ready. Um, we are now at
• 41:19
  S10: the final stages of this. Let's make sure we've tidied
• 41:22
  S10: everything up and ready to move in. So our conversations
• 41:25
  S10: with our teams are much more around immediate practicalities. Now
• 41:29
  S10: when you go back, no ifs. When you go back,
• 41:32
  S10: who will you stay with? Who's the first person you'll call?
• 41:35
  S10: What's the network that you'll tap into? Where will your
• 41:38
  S10: church be based? You know, what's the ministry that you'll
• 41:40
  S10: immediately embark? Who are the people on your heart? Are
• 41:43
  S10: you ready? Do you have the resources? What else do
• 41:46
  S10: you need? Those are the kinds of conversations that are
• 41:48
  S10: happening today in our team.
• 41:49
  S6: So you're anticipating that things are going to change politically.
• 41:54
  S6: There is. AM I hearing that?
• 41:56
  S10: Yes, absolutely. Um, Karl, if there wasn't a God lens here,
• 42:00
  S10: I think there would be a lot more uncertainty. It
• 42:03
  S10: is a very volatile situation. There's no human guarantees of
• 42:07
  S10: any outcome here. And the political analysis that we hear
• 42:10
  S10: on the news channels, it's largely right. People are guessing.
• 42:13
  S10: They don't know which way things will go. So many
• 42:16
  S10: different factors at play. But we have been praying about
• 42:19
  S10: this for a long time and knowing that God has
• 42:22
  S10: told us he's going to open Iran. So that adds
• 42:24
  S10: a very powerful filter to the current events. And we
• 42:28
  S10: know that politically things are going to change.
• 42:31
  S4: Lana, is it accurate to say that Iran is the
• 42:35
  S4: fastest growing church in the world? Is that an accurate statement?
• 42:38
  S4: I know some have said that.
• 42:40
  S10: Yes, I hear that a lot. Ali, often my response is,
• 42:43
  S10: I don't know how that gets measured to make it
• 42:45
  S10: the fastest growing church in the world. But certainly it
• 42:48
  S10: would ring true if someone came and showed me the evidence.
• 42:51
  S10: I'd say, oh yeah, in terms of the numbers, I'd say,
• 42:53
  S10: oh yeah, that feels about right, because it is growing
• 42:56
  S10: at a phenomenal rate. And really our biggest job is
• 42:59
  S10: keeping up right now in ministry in Iran.
• 43:01
  S4: You and you, you said in a recent interview that
• 43:04
  S4: there's no such thing as a lukewarm church in Iran. Explain.
• 43:09
  S10: They cannot be. I think it kind of goes back
• 43:11
  S10: to the question Carl was asking earlier about persecution. When
• 43:15
  S10: you know that turning to Jesus is going to cost
• 43:18
  S10: you everything, it may cost you your family. It may
• 43:20
  S10: cost you your business, it may well cost you your life,
• 43:23
  S10: and it certainly will cost you your comfort. You don't
• 43:25
  S10: make that decision lightly, and you certainly don't bother if
• 43:28
  S10: you're not going to go all in. So it sort
• 43:31
  S10: of immediately forces a complete commitment to Christ.
• 43:35
  S6: How in the world do you get information out of Iran?
• 43:38
  S6: How does that happen?
• 43:40
  S10: It's sporadic and hard. People have to make, uh, Put
• 43:44
  S10: a lot of work in to get even a small
• 43:46
  S10: voice note or a text across. Sometimes they say it
• 43:49
  S10: takes them hours watching it, trying to get uploaded and
• 43:51
  S10: sent across. Some of our team are actually going through
• 43:54
  S10: the expense of making old fashioned dial up phone calls,
• 43:57
  S10: just to make sure that we've heard from them. And again,
• 43:59
  S10: often it's just for the effort of reassuring us and
• 44:02
  S10: helping us realize that they're okay. They're full of faith,
• 44:05
  S10: and they're waiting for God to move.
• 44:07
  S6: You know, that's one of the most amazing things that
• 44:10
  S6: you hear about the persecuted church across the globe is
• 44:13
  S6: that and we hear it out of Nigeria. We've heard
• 44:15
  S6: it out of Afghanistan that they're calling to say we're
• 44:19
  S6: going to be okay. Keep praying, which is amazing. What's
• 44:23
  S6: another story that you've heard recently that you're like, oh
• 44:27
  S6: my goodness, this just it's almost bewildering, the faith of
• 44:31
  S6: these saints, isn't it?
• 44:33
  S10: It really, really is. Uh, we're struggling to get full
• 44:37
  S10: stories out. People are sending us snippets, but the, the,
• 44:40
  S10: the ones that come through are all along the lines
• 44:43
  S10: of supernatural faith. So families having a person arrested and
• 44:48
  S10: the way they had to process through that one person.
• 44:51
  S10: Her son was gone for 45 days. She had no
• 44:54
  S10: idea where he was, and just the way she was
• 44:56
  S10: able to work through that in her faith and and
• 44:59
  S10: keep her focus on Jesus while she waited. He eventually
• 45:02
  S10: was released and he's having counselling now. He's been through
• 45:05
  S10: a traumatic experience. But again, there's never a question that
• 45:09
  S10: faith is lost. You know, you would think in those
• 45:11
  S10: kinds of situations, that is what would be tested. The
• 45:14
  S10: faith is as strong as ever. The conversation is much
• 45:17
  S10: more around, right? What are we going to do now?
• 45:19
  S10: How are we going to help him get through this process?
• 45:21
  S10: How are we going to continue to share our faith?
• 45:24
  S10: It's incredible boldness.
• 45:27
  S4: Lana Silk President and Chief Executive Officer with Transform Iran.
• 45:30
  S4: You know, we have provided this to our listeners in
• 45:33
  S4: the past, and we want to do it again today.
• 45:35
  S4: Your team has put together a prayer guide for those
• 45:38
  S4: who want to be praying for Iran. What are some
• 45:42
  S4: of the main focus that what are the main ways
• 45:44
  S4: that we should be praying. Obviously, safety and protection, strength.
• 45:48
  S4: What else?
• 45:50
  S10: Yes, definitely. Those things. Courage for the Christians. They want
• 45:53
  S10: to continue to be sharing their faith. But in with
• 45:56
  S10: that wisdom and discernment to know where it's safe and
• 45:59
  S10: where to hold back. Uh, we continue to pray for
• 46:02
  S10: the government. We pray for salvation in Iran's leadership. We
• 46:06
  S10: want God to be glorified in spectacular conversion stories. So
• 46:10
  S10: we're continuing to pray for that and at the same time,
• 46:13
  S10: praying for what we're calling a righteous transition of government,
• 46:16
  S10: because the government, as it is today needs to change.
• 46:19
  S10: So we continue to pray for that. But at the
• 46:21
  S10: same time, the salvation of the leaders, and we pray
• 46:24
  S10: for all the countries that are being dragged into this
• 46:26
  S10: as well. This is now reaching far beyond Iran's borders.
• 46:29
  S10: For God's mercy to prevail across that region and for
• 46:32
  S10: this thing to be swiftly decided. We don't want years
• 46:35
  S10: of drawn out fighting.
• 46:37
  S6: Yeah. Lana, I've been really drilling down recently on prevenient
• 46:41
  S6: grace that there are God fearing people. Truly the one
• 46:44
  S6: true and living, God fearing people there in Iran that
• 46:47
  S6: haven't heard about Jesus. And when they will and do,
• 46:51
  S6: they will be transformed by the power of God. And
• 46:54
  S6: that's what a beautiful ministry you have going on. Boom!
• 46:57
  S6: Crew wants you to get hooked up with it and
• 46:59
  S6: get that prayer guide. Text the word transform to 800 555, 78, 98.
• 47:07
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• 47:14
  S6: What a golden opportunity. You might want to grab it
• 47:15
  S6: just this morning and just say, okay, right now I'm
• 47:18
  S6: going to grab this prayer guide and I'm going to
• 47:19
  S6: bow my head in prayer for our brothers and sisters
• 47:23
  S6: and those brothers and sisters to be in Iran.
• 47:26
  S4: And it's amazing that that's the thing consistently, as you mentioned, Carl,
• 47:30
  S4: that believers around the world are asking for prayer.
• 47:33
  S6: Prayer.
• 47:34
  S4: Prayer. And what that reflects is a deep faith and
• 47:37
  S4: a conviction that prayer is more than just a religious exercise.
• 47:41
  S4: It actually moves the heart of the father.
• 47:43
  S6: Yeah. It's beautiful. Text the word transform to 800 555 7898.
• 47:51
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• 47:58
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• 48:02
  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
• 48:07
  S1: and crew.
• 48:07
  S6: So get back from vacation. You learn a lot when
• 48:10
  S6: you're away. One is you better have ID. When you're
• 48:13
  S6: going through different checkpoints, you better have ID. I mean,
• 48:18
  S6: it's amazing, isn't it? I mean, goodness sakes. And if
• 48:21
  S6: you don't have, what's the new ID called?
• 48:23
  S4: The real ID.
• 48:24
  S6: Oh, yeah. Real ID as opposed to what? By the way,
• 48:27
  S6: fake ID. The world are we doing here? So I
• 48:33
  S6: didn't have the real ID, but I had a passport.
• 48:36
  S6: Could you hold on to that? Right. Because that's who
• 48:40
  S6: you are. Is my face is on there and there's
• 48:44
  S6: my number, and it's. I was getting from Homer, Alaska,
• 48:48
  S6: and it's got it all right down there, but you
• 48:50
  S6: got to have it. This whole ID stuff is important
• 48:53
  S6: when it comes to who we are in Jesus.
• 48:55
  S4: Ali, there's a movie that was popular a couple years ago,
• 48:58
  S4: and I can picture the scene. And this woman, she
• 49:00
  S4: grabs a hold. She's a nanny for this little girl,
• 49:02
  S4: and she grabs a hold, the little girl's face, and
• 49:04
  S4: she looks at her deep in her eyes, and she says,
• 49:07
  S4: she says you is strong. You is smart. You is important.
• 49:13
  S4: And it kind of became a meme. And it was
• 49:16
  S4: her trying to speak identity into this little girl and
• 49:19
  S4: tell her that she was strong, smart and important. Those
• 49:22
  S4: were her big three. We've got a special guest, Philip Miller,
• 49:25
  S4: joining us right now. You have a big three. And
• 49:28
  S4: it's a little different from that popular phrase out of
• 49:31
  S4: the movie.
• 49:32
  S14: Yeah. So, you know, when we look at the Bible,
• 49:34
  S14: there's three big core identity needs that lie in the
• 49:38
  S14: heart of each one of us, and that is we
• 49:40
  S14: need significance. We need security and we need satisfaction. And
• 49:45
  S14: the reality is, all three of those things we're meant
• 49:48
  S14: to find in God, in our relationship with him as
• 49:51
  S14: his children. And if you think about it, Jesus at
• 49:54
  S14: his baptism, you know, the God the Father says, this
• 49:56
  S14: is my son. Significance, right? He's beloved. He's we're secure
• 50:01
  S14: in his love. Jesus is secure in the father's love
• 50:03
  S14: and in him. I'm well pleased. Right? There's satisfaction there.
• 50:08
  S14: And so the reality is, if we are in Christ,
• 50:11
  S14: those statements actually apply to us as well, that we
• 50:14
  S14: are God's children. We are beloved in him. We. He
• 50:18
  S14: is well pleased over us for Jesus sake. And so
• 50:21
  S14: the deep identity that we all long for to matter,
• 50:25
  S14: for significance, to feel safe in the universe, to be secure,
• 50:29
  S14: to be delighted and happy in the world, to be satisfied.
• 50:32
  S14: Those deep identity needs are met in God as our father,
• 50:36
  S14: and we are his beloved children. That's where our real deep,
• 50:39
  S14: true identity lies.
• 50:40
  S6: Philip Miller, again, our guest right now, pastor of the
• 50:43
  S6: Moody Church. You've still got the up there, right? I mean,
• 50:46
  S6: it's got. Oh, yeah.
• 50:47
  S14: The Moody Church. Yeah, I.
• 50:49
  S6: Love that, Philip. Here's what I love. I think if
• 50:52
  S6: most people are talking about who we are in Christ,
• 50:54
  S6: they go, okay, um, I'm significant. That's good. I'm secure.
• 50:59
  S6: That's good. But I am satisfied. I'm not so sure
• 51:03
  S6: that makes a list. Why is that so important?
• 51:06
  S14: We're made to rejoice. We're made to be happy like God.
• 51:11
  S14: God is, um, you know, you read the Psalms and
• 51:13
  S14: you see things like delight yourself in the Lord or
• 51:18
  S14: at your right hand are pleasures forevermore, right? There's abundant
• 51:22
  S14: promises that God is the fountain of our satisfaction. We're
• 51:26
  S14: made for him. We're made to come alive and, and
• 51:29
  S14: find joy. That's what the woman at the well was
• 51:32
  S14: looking for in all those failed relationships. And Jesus said,
• 51:35
  S14: I'm the real deal, right? So we were made for
• 51:39
  S14: the Lord himself. And here's what happens. Carl, I think
• 51:42
  S14: we wake up in the universe. We're made for God.
• 51:45
  S14: We're made to have these deep identity needs met in
• 51:48
  S14: relationship with him. But we wake up estranged in the universe.
• 51:51
  S14: And so we wake up functionally as orphans, and we
• 51:55
  S14: go out and we fend for ourselves. And we think, well,
• 51:58
  S14: I've got to get significant security and satisfaction on my own.
• 52:02
  S14: I've got to go find it somewhere else. And so
• 52:04
  S14: we look for anything that will give us promises that
• 52:08
  S14: sound like they're plausible. And so we look to career
• 52:11
  S14: and romance and relationships and vacations and like all the
• 52:15
  S14: things that promise to make us happy and significant and safe.
• 52:19
  S14: And of course, all those things fail their idols and
• 52:22
  S14: they will never deliver what God alone can give. And
• 52:25
  S14: so our orphan hearts, though, create these like habitual patterns,
• 52:29
  S14: these muscle memories of like, how to cope through life
• 52:33
  S14: in the universe and find identity on, on our own
• 52:37
  S14: and it never works. And so then at the end
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  S14: of the day, we come back and we say, wait
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  S14: a minute, maybe, maybe God is the one we were
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  S14: made for all along.
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  S6: Maybe God had something to say here.
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  S14: Yeah. And here's the thing. Even as Christians, followers of Jesus,
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  S14: here's what I think happens. I think we have so
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  S14: much muscle memory from living as orphans that even though
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  S14: we confess Jesus as Lord, we believe in the gospel.
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  S14: We have this deep muscle memory, these habits of a
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  S14: lifetime that have programmed us, as it were, to live
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  S14: as orphans, even though we have the resources of being
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  S14: children of God at our fingertips and part of sanctification
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  S14: growing in Christ is learning to retrain that muscle memory
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  S14: so that we learn to look to God for our
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  S14: significant security and our satisfaction, instead of all the other
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  S14: stuff that that are the false promises out there.
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  S6: Oh my goodness. Philip Miller here with us, lead pastor
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  S6: of the Moody Church, downtown Chicago. Coming up here. I'm
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  S6: going to pin you, pastor. Here we go. How does
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  S6: this work for you? Because here's the truth. A lot
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  S6: of people just want to know, is anyone else like me,
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  S6: Pastor Miller, just like you coming up.
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  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
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  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
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  S1: curl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: With us right now, Philip Miller, he's pastor of the
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  S6: Moody Church, downtown Chicago. All right, I promised it. Now
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  S6: we got to deliver, pastor, we all live this, right?
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  S6: We can all get on tilt. And I love your analogy,
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  S6: living as orphans. And we have a memory muscle of
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  S6: living as orphans. That is powerful. But how does this
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  S6: work for you? You've been kicked in the teeth, you've
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  S6: been sucker punched before and you've got to regroup around
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  S6: your identity.
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  S14: So here's what here's my thesis. I think for, you know,
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  S14: these categories, I've given significant security satisfaction. I think one
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  S14: of those for most people is a primary longing. We
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  S14: need all three. But I think for one of those
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  S14: is for most of us going to be dominant. So
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  S14: for me, it's significance. I want to matter. I want
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  S14: to know that I count. I want to make a difference.
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  S14: I want people to say, man, Philip, you know, that
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  S14: guy is significant, right? So that's the deep longing in
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  S14: my heart. What I learned as a child was that,
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  S14: you know what? If I got good grades, if I
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  S14: scored a goal in soccer, I would get applause, I
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  S14: would get affirmation. And so I learned this is the formula.
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  S14: If I want significance, I got to get it from people.
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  S14: And so I'm going to perform and I'm going to win.
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  S14: And then I'm going to get the approval and the applause.
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  S14: And that's going to give me the significance my heart
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  S14: is longing for. That was my orphan hearted strategy for living.
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  S14: And here's the reality that echoes into all kinds of
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  S14: problems in my life, right? Like. Like if you have
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  S14: to win all the time, it makes you a really
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  S14: bad person. Like, because you'll cut corners, you'll do whatever
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  S14: it takes to get ahead and you'll be a really
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  S14: lousy loser. Like you will not be able to handle
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  S14: it if you don't get the applause. And it doesn't
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  S14: work like you cannot come in last place, right? And
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  S14: so it doesn't make you very loving. It makes you
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  S14: very needy as a human being because you're not just
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  S14: doing things, you're getting identity from the things you're doing.
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  S14: And so you have way too much of your self
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  S14: wrapped up in your pursuits, and it just makes everything unhealthy, right?
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  S14: So for me as, as a pastor, this is honestly, Carl,
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  S14: this is how it works in ministry. I think for
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  S14: a lot of pastors is like, if people are coming,
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  S14: if attendance is rising. If programs are working. If the
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  S14: budget is balanced. Like then God must love me. Instead
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  S14: of looking to God for my significance and resting in
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  S14: the fact that he delights in me for Jesus sake
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  S14: and that I'm his child and that nothing can take
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  S14: that away. And like, that's the highest level of significance
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  S14: I could ever want. I'm a child of God. Instead
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  S14: of resting in that. What I've done is I've, I've
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  S14: become an orphan that's looking for that significance in my ministry.
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  S14: And now the ministry itself is not just the thing
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  S14: I do for Jesus. It's something I'm trying to get
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  S14: my identity from. And so it goes toxic on me
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  S14: and it destroys me. And of course, it can never
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  S14: give me what I what I want. And that's where
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  S14: I think, you know, you can feel it in your
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  S14: own soul. That's just how ministry can become an idol.
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  S14: And you can end up really getting toxic as a
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  S14: human being because you're, you're living for the wrong stuff, right?
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  S14: So for me, I've got to get up every morning
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  S14: and say, God, I thank you that you love me
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  S14: because you love me. Help me to serve you today
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  S14: from that acceptance and not for it. Wow. I'm not
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  S14: trying to get identity from my ministry. I'm pouring my
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  S14: identity out into my ministry because my identity is rooted
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  S14: somewhere else. It's rooted in my relationship with God.
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  S4: Philip Miller, our guest right now, pastor of the Moody Church.
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  S4: This framework as a child of God, I am significant.
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  S4: As a child of God. I'm secure. I am satisfied.
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  S4: Thanks for honestly sharing what it looks like in your
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  S4: own heart of when you're not secure in this significance.
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  S4: Quick thought. For those listening, what might it look like
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  S4: for those who are primarily searching for security or satisfaction
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  S4: and struggling to find it in Christ?
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  S14: Yeah, it's interesting because there's people in my life that
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  S14: are wired this way. Like I have a friend and
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  S14: she's a security person. She just wants to feel safe
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  S14: in the world. You know, that's her top value. And
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  S14: so it's a slightly different set of resources. They're all
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  S14: in the gospel. The gospel is the same, but the
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  S14: set of the resources you metabolize are a little bit different.
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  S14: So I'm, I'm looking for significance. I'm like, where does
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  S14: God validate and give me a sense of identity that
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  S14: it says he matters, right? That's what I'm looking for.
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  S14: This friend of mine is looking for security. So different
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  S14: verses will appeal. Like, the Lord is my shepherd. I
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  S14: shall not want. Like he makes me lie down in
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  S14: green pastures. He restores my soul. He leads me beside
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  S14: still waters. Like his rod and staff. They comfort me
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  S14: like the fact that God is with me always. He
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  S14: will never leave me or forsake me. That I'm perfectly
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  S14: safe in his arms in this universe. That nothing ultimately
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  S14: can take me down because I'm secure in his love forever, right?
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  S14: Even death itself cannot disrupt the bond that I have
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  S14: with my Savior. Those are deeply securing truths that help
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  S14: us Remember that we really are safe and that like
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  S14: a medical diagnosis is not the end of the story,
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  S14: you know? And so you can face all kinds of
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  S14: storms in life if you know you're safe in the
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  S14: arms of the Lord.
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  S6: It dawns on me that the rich young ruler was
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  S6: orphaned by his wealth. Yes. He was not secure in Christ.
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  S6: He did not lean into that. So we can get
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  S6: orphaned in security, in weird, funky things that are actually
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  S6: blessings from God, but not him. Right, Philip?
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  S14: Yeah. So, you know, zooming out here, all three of
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  S14: these deep soul needs significant security satisfaction. I think when
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  S14: we're in orphan hearted mode, they mainly attach to three
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  S14: things people power or possessions. Yes. And and those three
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  S14: things people, power and possessions. They work for each of
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  S14: those three things. So if you actually think about it,
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  S14: there's nine sort of permutations here, if you will. So
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  S14: and what that means is that you can actually be
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  S14: looking to, let's say, possessions. Let's say you want a
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  S14: new car. So if you're a significance guy, you're probably thinking,
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  S14: I need a new car because that's a status symbol.
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  S14: It's going to show the world I've made it. If
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  S14: you're a security person, you might need a new car
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  S14: because you don't want your you don't want to break
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  S14: down on the road. It's a safety thing for you.
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  S14: Or if you're a satisfaction person, you're probably buying the
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  S14: new car because you want to treat yourself. I deserve
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  S14: to be happy. I worked hard for this and you
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  S14: know I deserve a little treat in my life, right?
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  S14: So here we are buying a car. It's the same action,
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  S14: but deep down it's doing different things for our soul.
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  S4: Pastor Philip Miller, our guest right now, we want you
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