Latest / Stagflation Conversations with Fexingo: High Inflation, Slow Growth, and 1970s Echoes / The Productivity Mirage in Modern Stagflation
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- Lucas: So we just got the third-quarter GDP print, and it is sitting at a robust 3.4 percent annualized growth. That is significantly better than the 2.2 percent we saw in the previous quarter, and frankly, it looks like the economy has avoided the hard landing everyone was predicting back in July. Luna: But look at the other side of that coin. Core CPI is still holding steady around 338.9, which means prices aren't really coming down fast enough to match that income surge. It feels less like a recovery and more like a high-cost equilibrium. Lucas: Exactly. And here is where it gets weirdly counterintuitive for anyone studying the old stagflation playbook. Usually, when you see growth accelerating like this alongside sticky inflation, you expect wage pressures to explode. But average hourly earnings only ticked up from 37.76 to 37.80 last month. That is almost flat. Luna: Right, so we have strong nominal output but stagnant real wages. If workers aren't getting paid more, where is the extra value in that 3.4 percent GDP number coming from? Lucas: It is coming from productivity, or at least what looks like productivity on paper. The Bureau of Labor Statistics data implies that firms are squeezing more output out of fewer hours. But I want to be careful about calling this a genuine efficiency miracle because the labor market data tells a different story. Luna: You mean the JOLTS report? Job openings dropped to 7,079 thousand in August, which is a clear sign that demand for labor is actually cooling off. Lucas: Precisely. So we have a situation where companies are reporting higher output per worker, yet they are simultaneously cutting back on hiring. This suggests that the 'productivity gain' might not be technology driving innovation, but rather businesses leveraging existing assets to maintain margins without expanding their headcount. Luna: It sounds like capital intensity is replacing labor intensity. They are buying machines and software instead of people, which boosts short-term output metrics but doesn't necessarily help the consumer wallet. Lucas: That is a very sharp way to put it. When you replace human labor with automated systems or just run your current staff harder, your unit costs might drop initially, but you also create a brittle system. One supply chain hiccup or one maintenance issue can derail that whole efficiency model. Luna: And that brittleness is exactly what keeps inflation sticky. If you can't hire more people to handle a spike in demand, you just raise prices. It is a classic supply constraint masked as an efficiency boost. Lucas: Let me take a quick pause here to ask something direct. If walking through the economy with us has made something click for your own financial planning, honestly, if today was worth a coffee to you, that is the link — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo — that is F. E. X. I. N. G. O. It helps keep these episodes ad-free and lets us dig deeper into these quarterly reports. Luna: Yeah, we appreciate that support. It allows us to spend time on the data instead of chasing sponsorships that don't fit the nuance of macroeconomics. Lucas: Back to the numbers. Look at the unemployment rate. It is up slightly to 4.20 percent from 4.10, but nonfarm payrolls are still growing, albeit slowly. The disconnect between job creation and wage growth is the key signal here. Luna: It is a slow bleed rather than a crash. Employers are holding onto staff but not giving raises, hoping inflation will do the work of adjusting compensation over time. Lucas: That is 'financial repression' lite. By keeping wages flat while prices rise, companies are effectively paying their employees with depreciating currency. It is a quiet wealth transfer from labor to capital that most listeners probably don't notice until they check their bank account. Luna: And that explains why the stock market, specifically the S&P 500, is pushing toward 7,720 despite the grim reality for the average worker. Investors love margin expansion, even if it comes at the expense of consumer purchasing power. Lucas: Right. The market is pricing in a world where corporations are efficient monsters that produce more with less, while consumers absorb the inflation hit. It is a fragile narrative because eventually, the consumer runs out of savings or credit limits. Luna: Do we have evidence that consumers are already tapped out? Or is there still some resilience left in the household balance sheets? Lucas: Well, the PCE price index is at 132.3, up from 131.61. The fact that core PCE is also rising suggests that services inflation is still alive and well. Housing costs, insurance, and healthcare are dragging the average up, and those are areas where automation hasn't helped much. Luna: So the productivity gains are concentrated in tech and manufacturing, but the big-ticket items for families are still stuck in pre-digital pricing models. That creates a bifurcated economy. Lucas: Bifurcation is the right word. You have sectors that are hyper-efficient and deflationary, like electronics or basic goods, and then you have sectors that are incredibly inefficient and inflationary, like skilled labor services. The aggregate number hides that split. Luna: Which makes the Fed's job incredibly difficult. They can't just raise rates across the board to fix tech-sector inflation without crushing the service-sector jobs that are already struggling. Lucas: Exactly. Kevin Warsh has been talking a lot about how Wall Street is guessing on his next move, but the reality is that the central bank is flying blind because the old correlations between unemployment and inflation have broken down. Luna: When Phillips Curve logic fails, you lose your primary map for policy. So what is the alternative? Do they just watch the VIX and hope for the best? Lucas: They are watching breakeven inflation rates, which are currently at 2.35 percent for the ten-year Treasury. That is actually down from 2.38, which suggests markets think the Fed will successfully tame inflation eventually, even if the path is bumpy. Luna: But markets are forward-looking. They aren't feeling the pain of the 37.80 dollar hourly wage yet. Once that starts to bite into discretionary spending, the GDP growth of 3.4 percent could reverse quickly. Lucas: I think you are right. We are living on borrowed momentum. The Q3 numbers were boosted by inventory buildup and capital investment, but consumer demand is the engine that sustains it. If that engine sputters, the whole structure wobbles. Luna: So the risk isn't a sudden crash, but a slow grind-down where growth stalls and inflation remains annoyingly persistent. A true stagflation trap. Lucas: That is the scenario we need to monitor closely. Especially with the European Central Bank holding rates at 2.5 percent, global capital flows might shift, affecting the dollar and our import prices. Luna: If the dollar strengthens too much, it helps lower our inflation, but it hurts US exporters. It is a balancing act that requires precision we haven't seen in years. Lucas: Precision is the luxury of calm times. Right now, we are in a period of structural adjustment, and the data is screaming that the old rules no longer apply. Luna: It leaves individual investors wondering: should they be hedging against inflation or preparing for a recession? The answer seems to be both, which is a terrible place to be. Lucas: It is. And that uncertainty is why liquidity matters more than ever. In a bifurcated economy, cash preserves optionality while volatility creates opportunities for those who can spot the winners. Luna: Spotting the winners means ignoring the headline GDP and looking at the margins. Which companies are actually passing on cost savings versus those just raising prices on empty stomachs. Lucas: Exactly. Dig into the earnings calls. Listen for mentions of 'volume growth' versus 'price realization.' If a company is growing revenue only through price hikes, they are vulnerable. If they are selling more units, they have real demand. Luna: That is a practical filter for any portfolio review. Stop looking at the top line and start looking at the volume drivers. It cuts through a lot of the noise. Lucas: It does. And it reminds us that behind every macro statistic is a micro decision made by a manager trying to survive the same pressures we are all discussing. Luna: So, as we head into November, are you betting on the productivity trend continuing, or do you think the labor market tightness will force wages up again? Lucas: I am betting on the grind continuing. The structural shifts toward automation and capital intensity are irreversible. Wages might tick up slightly, but they won't break the trend of productivity-led growth unless a major technological breakthrough occurs. Luna: A cautious outlook, but one grounded in the data we have. It is better to be prepared for the slow burn than surprised by a sudden change. Lucas: Agreed. We will keep tracking those JOLTS numbers and the weekly claims data. If initial jobless claims start climbing steadily, we know the labor market is turning faster than the GDP prints suggest. Luna: Then we will pivot the conversation. Until then, stay sharp and keep questioning the headline numbers. Thanks for listening.