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Harbaugh, McDaniel, Someone Else? Browns Head Coaching Search Updates - Cleveland Browns Podcast for 1/11/26 · The Dawgs - A Cleveland Browns Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Dog's Podcast with your hosts, Lake Renaker, Justin Charles, and Josh All.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, what's up dog pack?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Welcome back to another Dog Pack Discord live here with Josh.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We've got Kenny and his microphone and everything is working today.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah, and then we got Justin over here as well, Justin, how are you doing, man?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great, microphone not working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, microphone working, camera not working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, old man tech stuff, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, just mean Kenny stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who knows out here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And we love using the discord, you know, hang out with everybody and connect and everything, but doing these episodes in here, gets a little bit technically challenged because of this kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it's, I don't think it's old man issues for you, Justin, I just think it's, you know, my camera won't work in discord.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate, brother, I appreciate that support.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all right, it's just, it's just, it's just a user issue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's usually, that's all right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's just, it's just a user issue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So today, like I keep telling everybody, this is your show.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So right now, we've only got Ash and Andy in the audience.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So you guys are running the show today, but I'm sure other people will be jumping in as we go.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to dive into everything that's going on around the Brown's head coaching search right now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All the candidates that have either been interviewed, interviews requested, or we've had reported interest in, and then we're going to get into maybe,
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[SPEAKER_06]: some candidates that we haven't been linked to yet that you guys would like to see the Browns bring in.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Who you think, wind up hiring, who you want to stand up hiring, all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And we'll dive into it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Plus we can talk a little wild card weekend, which the Saturday games were phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you watch them and I'm just hoping Sunday can live up to the hype football football has been a treat since Thursday night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've been pretty
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, Friday night was uh, that was over at have a stinker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was more of a, hey, let's see how good this kid really is kind of, kind of deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's that good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's that good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is that good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you're getting critics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He critics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yikes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Backshot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rose were unreal man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those were unreal and on target and where they needed to be, that was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, obviously we're talking about Fernando Mendoza for Indiana here who just torsed the Oregon ducks on Friday night.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was what was it?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I have time 42 to six or something 35 six.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was the game was over.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I think he only had three incompletions in the game.
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[SPEAKER_06]: One of them was a clear pass interference where the Oregon defender just dragged the Indiana receiver to the ground with no flag and he had five touchdowns known as exceptions.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Easily the number one overall pick.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think there's any dispute.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think he's going number one.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Las Vegas would be crazy to sell that pick.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Anybody else, I think they needed to just go ahead and take him.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And what's even crazier is,
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[SPEAKER_06]: If the Browns had lost to the Steelers and the J.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Water, the, uh, sorry I'm watching the J.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The Steelers and the Bengals to end the, uh, the season, that would have been us.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We would have had the first overall pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, we were talking about this on the disc or dirt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had the perfect opportunity to lose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a second, third string preseason offense out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In our defense, like we would have had to sit half our defense to lose out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they literally will us to win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's an elite defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's wild to me that those two teams lost.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I still can't believe it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, and I think that's a good segue here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll take that into the coaching thing because the Brown's job for what a lot of people and fans say is the worst job on the market, nobody wants to come here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: If you're, first of all, if you're a defensive minded guy, you got to love what the Brown tab going on here with the personnel and the defensive side of the ball and if you're an offensive minded guy, you got to be looking to the defense going, why don't you even need to worry about that?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like it's good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I just mean to make sure I got the red DC to run it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Jim Schwartz, keep him or bring in your own guy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Either way, the defense is definitely attractive.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So we'll dive into that here in a second.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Before we do, I'll remind everybody if you're not in the discord or in the dog pack for these episodes and you wanna be, head to join thedogs.com.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Think up with the private discord.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Get in here, hang out with everybody 24, seven chat with all these die hard brown fans all the time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: and the conversations have been going crazy throughout this head coaching search, the playoffs, the college football playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to get into draft prospects.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's a ton of fun pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You get to be on these episodes that we're going to be doing once a week or continuing to do once a week moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So go to join the dogs.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All right, so let me run through real quick and then I'll kick it over to Justin after I'm done here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But let's talk about who the Browns have actually talked to so far, so we have completed interviews with our own defensive coordinator gym shorts and our own offensive coordinator Tommy Reese.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We've also completed an interview with Bengals offensive coordinator Dan pitcher.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The Seahawks defensive coordinator, Auden Dirty, and the offensive coordinator for the Ravens Todd Monken.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We have reportedly scheduled an interview.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We don't know when it is, but it has been scheduled with Mike McDaniel, the former head coach for the Dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We've requested an interview from Jesse Mentor, defensive coordinator for the Chargers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Request an interview for former head coach of the Ravens.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll talk about him, John Harble.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Big one today, we've requested an interview for passing game coordinator from the Rams Nate Sheelhouse, and then we have reported interest in Joe Brady, the offensive coordinator for the bills, Jeff Haffley, the defensive coordinator for the Packers and Chris Shula, the defensive coordinator for the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Justin, talk to me where you are on this head coaching search and just
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, brother, I think first off just from the fan aspect of it, I think a lot of Cleveland Brown fans are salivating at the idea that potentially her ball would want to come to Cleveland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where I'm kind of the exciting part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a bunch of little aspects to this thing, but I think like dream scenario if your Brown's fan is, hey, whatever it costs or takes, get that guy in your building.
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[SPEAKER_01]: proven, proven leader of men, proven winner, a guy that has given us so many issues for most of my adult life is a brown span.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coaching my former team, watching them kick our ass twice a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a guy I would love to see come in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, obviously, I don't think that the far as open vacant spots are quite done yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got some football still to play out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's still some names.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One name last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they'd actually do it, but the fact that the floor went out again like that is it's damning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talk to Packers fans and they say, you know, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is that history with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a great young coach, great offensive mind, but man, you know, I want to say he was he's two or three and six and is play off career so far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's not great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It might even be lower than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't remember exact number I saw this morning, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I'm a German and Buffalo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some rumors rolling around the time when I'm Monday night who knows what happens there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's always some smoke every year at the end with him, depending on where they finish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think that we're 100% seeing all available coaches yet, and I don't think we're seeing all available open spots, as far as positions in the NFL with teams.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That is kind of crazy because I know a lot of people, I've been reading on Twitter and they're saying, you know, that that packers would be crazy to fire Matt LaFlorer, they would never do that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're probably just going to extend him and everything.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's a great coach.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Where there's smoke a lot of times, there is fired coaches because we had the John Harbour smoke, and people were like, they're not going to fire John Harbour.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They fired John Harbour.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And you're like, you said, would Mike Tomman, it could happen.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Pittsburgh Stealer fans are done with this losing in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_06]: One and done first round.
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[SPEAKER_06]: X, it kind of crap.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Matt LaFlor, three and six is the record in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, you know, it could happen.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I think I read 18 so far are looking for new head coaches.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's a quarter of the league, 25% of the NFL right now is looking for a new head coach.
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[SPEAKER_06]: which is big, I believe, for a coaching cycle.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think a lot of times it's like five or six teams, maybe at the most, but we've got eight already, and like you said, could be more.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Ken, what do you think about with the head coach you're so far?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I would be on the John Harball train as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he seems to be with reports, warming up the Reese and Schwartz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there would be a big question, Mark, would he want to work with Barry?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would Barry then become maybe just a cap strategist, just told the Sean Watson things over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was kind of surprised that we didn't,
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[SPEAKER_02]: doing an interview with Clint Kubiak.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought we interviewed him last year so that maybe that was a done deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's something he said or did or just it didn't match well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought he would have had some kind of continuity with what's the fans he was doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he'd be Shador friendly with you know defined reads, rhythm throwing, you know protection from all the chaos of this offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought he was like
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[SPEAKER_02]: picked for the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I did see though is I did see Todd Munkin and he'd be like a stay awake candidate for me because I mean he was swimming in the dysfunction of the Browns with a Freddie Kitchen stuff and I can't even believe that guy wanted to interview.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually surprised that Mike McDaniels might consider interviewing after he wrote the essay or the points to for
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[SPEAKER_02]: She and a hand to get out of here, you know, so there's probably some dark horse candidates out there, it's going to be
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be somebody that we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a good one, though, that Al-Jiro Evaro, the Defense of Corneado last night for the Carolina Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He might be a guy that fits high on what Jimmy wants, with that emotional intelligence, and just maybe go to more of a head coat first, leave Schwartz and whatever offense of Corneado is going to be out there for
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[SPEAKER_02]: if it's the higher to do their thing and help build a team and a culture which those guys have kind of done down in Carolina because I didn't give Carolina a chance and they look pretty damn good yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They did, they really surprised me.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They surprised everybody.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think in that game.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So Justin, my only, I want your opinion on this, my only concern with John Harball is just how things ended in Baltimore.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And some of the reports that have been coming out that players were reportedly losing faith in his messaging and his leadership style.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He wasn't connecting well with the young superstars on the team, wasn't forming relationships with them
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[SPEAKER_06]: do you think there's any issue having this you know he's how it is he's sixty some years sixty three years old and the orders I sixty two sixty two okay this order more old school coach versus having like a newer up and coming young guy coming in I got to tell you guys this whole Nate chill house
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[SPEAKER_06]: interview requests that popped up today got me excited because I actually like that guy is he ready for a head coaching position.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, but I have seen reports where people have said she'll house is a name to keep tabs on he's an up and comer if he's not going to be head coached this cycle.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It will happen at some point like he's got that much, you know, respect around the league already and I think he's only like 35 years old, but does any of that concern you with
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, man, I will tell you that sometimes the message in a lock room can get old, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when you've been in the same lock room for multiple, you know, we're going, we're talking up to 15 years with a coach like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, this is a team that literally was one mistake away from pretty much being in the Super Bowl for, or just one mistake away from advancing to the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for the past five years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about bringing him to Cleveland and managing and looking out over a team where we can't even line up on 1st 10 10 and get 12 guys onto the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there's a very big difference with losing the lock room and then like the message getting stale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and obviously like maybe it maybe it did happen like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Baltimore, you know, you have a lot of big personalities on that team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not talking about, you know, really, there are young players on that team, but that's a lot of old vets, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've got guys like Hopkins that have been in the league for, you know, we're going on 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got a lot of, you know, veteran guys, I would have no problem at all, bringing hearts to the Cleveland and worrying about his message, you know, growing
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[SPEAKER_06]: The thing about horrible that I like is the CEO role of the head coach where he'll bring in an offensive coordinator and defense coordinator and let them delegate, let them run the units where he focuses on overall game management and the structure and everything of the team.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That that is always been appealing to me just we've tried these play colors types so many times and sometimes they work for some teams it's never really worked out well for us I just maybe we just haven't gotten the right guy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That could be too, but Kenny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think you to also you bring in a guy like Carball
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[SPEAKER_01]: things like meddling from up top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You won't have that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will guarantee you that that will be a, hey, this is, this is going to be my roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You own this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I run this team kind of deal like, you know, hey, sign the checks, but as far as what we want to do, player wise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be my show, man, if we don't line up on that, hey, you know, I got other offers too, but I don't think you'll have to worry about that from up top.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And that's where I see there being a potential issue with Andrew Barry, because I don't know how well that's gonna go over.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We saw this year with Kevin Stephansky, where obviously Kevin wanted a guy like Dylan Gabriel, and it was kind of set and stone from the beginning, we saw him camping stuff like there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Kevin wanted Dylan to play at some point.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And wow, that's what he wanted.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He still wanted to keep Joe Flacco there as a safety net, because he wasn't ready to get shit or Sanders on the field.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Andrew Barry said, to trade it, gone, now you have to, you know, and I just, I wonder how that'll go over with Andrew Barry, but Kenny, what are your thoughts on that with Harball?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have been bitching on this podcast for years since Pat Schermer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've brought it up many times that whoever the head coach was, whether it was Patton or whoever it was, the head coach's specialty, whether it was Offence or Defense, that person was calling the game for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do like the CEO part where, hey, man, I'm managing this game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys do what you do best because that's why you're here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why you're the offense coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why the defense of Cornell and that's why you're a special team's coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just do it and let's get together and let's win the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got an actual special team's background.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he dealt with everybody when he was at Philadelphia and it looks like
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[SPEAKER_02]: when he was with the ravens, that's what he continued to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In 20 years, if your message gets stale or 18, whatever he was there, your message may have got stale and they just need to start again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's I think having him here would definitely stop hasn't for meddling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he even said he took ownership of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I know the dysfunction
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[SPEAKER_02]: He brought out and brought up in his presser, and he was kind of like disgusted by it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when he eludes, you're considered dysfunctional.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you're win, you're not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, you know, a horrible coming here brings an immediate presence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the players will listen to him and then he'll get the players that are at whatever specific position playing where there should be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why you're reading reports that he's warming up to Schwartz because he knows he's got a handle on that defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's even warming up to Tommy Reese and I mean, I don't know what Reese could show anybody based on the talent that he was given.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but I mean, it's still pine the sky, I think, uh, based on, you know, him coming here, but still exciting.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, it'll be, he's a whole noth interviews until next week.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So we'll find out next week if he's going to take one with the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Let's go to our first person up here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's the first person.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We always have up here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Mr. Moneymaker.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's gone, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Here we go, Brown.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's here we go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: it's delusional head coach search time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's go by can you wake me up when we interview a real coach first?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I you know I'm like y'all need no over here with the head coach interviews right now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You don't want to talk to a man?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Come on.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean look listen listen listen.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is America.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to break as our head coach, all right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In America, you're killing Justin, right now, man.
18:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Todd Munkin, he's garbage.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Get him out of here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yeah, I think there wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, do on board with that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He sucked at play calling with the Ravens.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why the heck do we want a dude that sucks at play calling as our coach?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just had that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting thing with that with Todd Monkin, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like based on what the reports are, it sounds like Harbaw sat down with Baltimore and they Baltimore wanted to move from Monkton, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're basically decided, hey, we're not Harbaw was not ready to move on from that decision and it sounded like pretty much that was the
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[SPEAKER_01]: what if there's a scenario where he says, hey, I absolutely come to Cleveland, but I'm bringing Todd Monkin as my offensive coordinator with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a problem?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell you right now for me, it's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do, I'm not even a problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that's your guy and that's you trust in your system, I know we all think that it was dysfunctional with Freddie, it was because it was dysfunctional with Freddie, guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, this is the guy that our main player, our superstar franchise guy hit a guy with his helmet and he wore a t-shirt that said Pittsburgh started it Like this is what we're talking about as far as like you know what I mean So yes, it was dysfunctional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I let that cost me an opportunity at a real serious proven head coach that I think could turn this team around finally not a chance it
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have some great points there, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, again, with Pad Munkin, I'm kind of joking just because of the dysfunction that he dealt with and he didn't have anything great to say about the Browns, but he does get your passing game going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, his first year with Baltimore, everybody was like clamoring for the guy and they had a kind of a down year with, you know, the way things happened with Lamar and he's injured.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, that could have been it too, but I mean, I'm joking, but he does get offense is going.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We saw the next level up of Lamar Jackson under Todd Munkin.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is where Margex and Tokyo's passing abilities passing game to another level where he's completing like 80 plus percent of his passes and just dotting things and he had, what do you have last year?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Three picks on the season MVP candidate or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He did really, really well under Monkin compared to before he got there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's kalshi because why shouldn't you get paid for being right with older head coaches what I and I know won't happen.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Especially if we get
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[SPEAKER_05]: that like develops into the next young head coach.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So like when the dude like retirees or leaves, you have that next successor to continue the stability with the organization, which we've never had at
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[SPEAKER_05]: and that's what I would like to see is it going to happen?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's a reports that he likes Tommy Reece, so maybe Tommy Reece would stay on on some sort of aspect.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's like a passing coordinator if he wants to keep Todd Munkin.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_05]: it's hard to have like everything you want and still get the coach you want you know like you know where he's saying like you know he wants his own GM well you know how we're all kind of on the edge with Andrew Barry so we can kind of like I mean Andrew Barry's got to go and get you know John Harbar are you guys okay with that because some people like Andrew Barry's done and some people are like all right it's time for a new GM.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, if you want to build a defense getting injury, Barry, but also it takes I what Jim Schwartz was able to get out of these guys and develop and what these guys have grown into under him, I mean, cannot be undervalued, which
23:29
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what, what could some of these players on offense maybe have been if I just feel like there was no development on that side of the ball and there was also not a lot of investment on that side of the ball either.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was just a mess.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The whole thing to mess.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So that's that whole size is going to be reworked.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Brad, at this point in time, what are we right now?
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[SPEAKER_06]: January 11th, who do you think will be the Brown's head coach and who do you want to be the Brown's head coach if you have somebody in mind?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Who I think, if, say, say, a metal floor gets fired from green, but I think, I think, if metal floor gets fired, I could definitely see him being our next head coach.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's a young guy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's, yes, he's had some problem with, you know, falling behind, but
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[SPEAKER_05]: Again, it's just in kind of said, we haven't had coaches that consistently get in the playoff, so we need a coach that has been there, done that, you know, and, but I think one name in is Mike McDaniel, and I know how some of us feel about him,
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[SPEAKER_05]: his personality, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I feel like, through all these head coaching opening, I think he'll be like the one that kind of falls to us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Who I want our head coach to be.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Is personally, you know, sign that he I'm just kidding, but the coach I would really
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[SPEAKER_05]: one of the floors really, I mean, I like, I like his brother Mike, but uh, um, or Matt.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So one of the floors would look real nice.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're young.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They have innovative offenses.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I know we all want Jim Harbaugh, but realistically, you know, I can see Harbaugh either being a Falcon, you know, being down there
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[SPEAKER_06]: I can see him being the Titan head coach, so what's it tell you then as far as I've seen, I haven't seen any reports that anybody has requested an interview with Michael of floor, the offensive coordinator for the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The Browns have requested that interview with Nate Sheo House, who's the passing game coordinator under Michael of floor.
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[SPEAKER_06]: which I thought was interesting that we went that route instead of the Michael of Floor route because from what I've been reading, like Sheo House was highly praised coming in from Iowa State.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He was the offensive coordinator there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They said he's held like every offensive, staff position at Iowa State, came in here under Sean McVay and has gone from in class here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He was had a multi job role.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was passing game specialists and something else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then this year was moved into like full-on passing game coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And they are the number one passing offense in the NFL this year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, I think maybe it's just I think isn't that the first interview we have with any of the Rams coordinators?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, they there's reported interest with Shula the defensive coordinator, but we haven't actually requested anything with him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think that's just them kind of leaning into it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like after
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[SPEAKER_05]: But they just got down with their playoff game.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think Nate might be the first one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think you could see Shula.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You could see a few other names.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's just like, as weird as it is, the things the Browns are knocking out, the ones that can get to the first.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And who knows?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, maybe my floor is just like waving off certain teams.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't want to even interview with you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You never know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: possible.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, like a like Clint Kubiack.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it says like he's done interviewing, but
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he's done interviewing for now, who knows?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's what we wanted to do.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think was Albert Brewer said that he was taking all the interview.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Jara interviews he was going to, and I thought, was that until the play also over or just in general, because maybe he's just got it down to.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm either taken whatever he's done or was he done giants, Falcons.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's probably done the Raiders, right, Titans.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would imagine.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so it's interesting that, like,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I forgot was a Diana recini or one of them saying like a thing that like Harbaugh's only looked at tape on two quarterbacks so far and I'm said he's going to spend you aren't in looking at Jackson, Darden, Cam Ward extensively.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so that's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great for us, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but, I mean, so yeah, you say that though, but keep in mind, also Baltimore almost drafted Shidorah last year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the tape was also studied on Shidorah, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't don't just automatically just write it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, they liked him enough that they're considering drafting him until he told them don't draft me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I I also read that report and at the time I kind of thought the same thing, but you got to keep that in the back of the, you know, the mind also is that that was a guy that they really liked and they were prepared to have what spend a second round draft pick on if I remember correctly.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I thought it was their fifth round pick because then we traded up to get in front of them, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hey, hey, fifth round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, hey, you can get that in the back of your mind also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just put it down.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's where we took him.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, it's just there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: level playing field, I guess, Brad.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we'll get you out here for a second and then we'll bring you back up here later on.
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[SPEAKER_06]: If anybody else wants to get their hand up and get up here on stage and talk about head coaching or anything else with the Browns, just go ahead and put your hand up, we'll bring you up here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Justin, outside of John Harball, while we wait on somebody get their hand up, who would you want the Browns to hire as head coach?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Do you have anybody like a second
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's, there's guys that I think that you have to be interested in, right?
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Mike Daniels is interesting as far as just, you know, what are you able to do to at the beginning?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously things went really, really south down there, but like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he's a guy, the idea that we're bringing him an interview, love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any guys offensively, young guys, it was, and I would pick these trees, the Shanahan tree, Big Bay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact, we brought up Clint, the fact that we kind of really didn't reach out to Clay Kubiak who was the offensive coordinator for San Francisco, and you know, pick his brain.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's guys that I think, you know, that are on these trees that obviously they're not playing, you know, they're calling plays, but you've been in these systems for multiple years where you're learning and developing and and learning from great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we look as young offensive minds but are kind of older guys now, they've been leaked for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There, the problem with those kind of situations like where you're gonna bring in passing coordinator a young guy is right now, the talent isn't gonna be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's gonna be, you know, for the first season, it's gonna be rough, it might not translate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we gonna be able to be patient enough as a team and as a fan base to actually get through some tough times and see the other side of it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would like us to go young offensive mind
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't disagree with you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Now we got Andrew Jackson up here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: How you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to stop, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on, guys?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is going on?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going on, bro.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, roll first off.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I look like the Jaguar is doing great things at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So there's that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But
31:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, I went nothing to do with Todd Munkin.
31:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this is a drawer dropping to court in the Todd Munkin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, so personally, I don't want nothing to do with him.
31:46
[SPEAKER_04]: But if he's looking at one of those people you get a hold of, because you get R-ball, then I'm okay with it, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I guess it in my, what I would like, I would like, uh,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Harball, probably one and then one day wouldn't be where everyone would get it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then if Matt LaFore got fired, I take him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But unfortunately, I feel like we'll probably be lucky if we get a guy like McDaniels, but I feel like we're going to get to someone that we're all going to look at each other and go who.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I feel like that's honestly probably who we're doing good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's it usually how it goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God knows that is I mean if you really look at it and Blake Blake's talked about this a lot and you know Like when you bring this up with Blake this is gonna be his big point when we start talking about stuff like this with a horrible And again, those and stuff like that is
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[SPEAKER_01]: These guys have kind of better opportunities if you really think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you line up Cleveland and New York and you're on young offense or minor coach, what are you doing?
32:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what I'm doing and I love the Browns.
32:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care that my family's here.
32:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going, hey, they got an elite wide receiver one, a young quarterback, they got a running back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They got a nice offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could probably do some stuff with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I can understand where these big names are going to come off the board very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: L.A. or I'm sorry, Las Vegas might not seem like a nice destination.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that Fernando Mendoza's going to be in that jersey next year makes that a very, very entertaining destination very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we might have an opportunity to get a big name in here, but we might be left looking at scraps and looking around at each other going,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What you're like, can you not a Brian Dable?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be excited about Dable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I know, I, I would be, I would entertain that absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He, he's been here before like the Daniels, he was the offensive coordinator for Manjini, was he not?
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[SPEAKER_06]: somebody.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't remember exactly who it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It might have been me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Brian David was here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't employed by the Cleveland Browns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember he ran a full-backs week one time.
34:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody who remembers that game will be pulling the whatever hair they have left out because that was a time the one of the dumbest calls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That being said, look where he's gone, look what he's done, and he might be a welcome addition here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He would probably be someone that wanted to work
34:21
[SPEAKER_02]: shorts and you know as I'm one of the guys have been kicking rocks on the browns being terrible destination but here's the thing like you have an elite defense and we just said it not too long ago like they literally will this to those two winds at the end of the year you've got a massive amount of draft capital and you're going to have some flat flexibility once we move some stuff around it probably have to kick the shumans contract down the road
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[SPEAKER_02]: The ownership is about as good as I've seen it bend to publicly like take some onus on what's happened or what's transpired over the last two, three seasons and the GM, the owner is committed to the offensive side of the ball so with that the new stadium coming up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can really put your fingerprints on this team, especially on offense, and you do it to pick the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just your stock with an anchor of, you know, Shawn's wanting to tell him, Austin's contract.
35:29
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
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[SPEAKER_02]: some guys might be able to make it happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe somebody really likes or believes in Matt Jones.
35:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's a somebody sitting on the bench to trade for right now.
35:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say Joe Milton because that's been brought up many times.
35:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want him but there's somebody somewhere that believes in a quarterback that may not be on this roster that might be able to turn things around for us and you don't have to worry about the defensive side.
35:54
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's a good point.
35:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Another note that I don't think we've said, yeah, it came out yesterday was reported that the Browns are currently telling their candidates that while it's not, you know, required that they keep Jim Schwartz.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They prefer to keep Jim Schwartz on the staff as a defensive coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So for me, that feels like you're rubbing defensive coordinator candidates probably the wrong way.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know how well that would.
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[SPEAKER_06]: sit with Jim Harble and the defensive coordinator.
36:22
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't know how that would, you know, if you're going to bypass Jim Schwartz to be your head coach to get another defensive coordinator over him as the head coach.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
36:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I will see.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Do you guys, Andrew, do you think that's a mistake that they're telling teams that they're telling?
36:36
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think you're, you're narrowing down your, you're pull of people for no reason.
36:45
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, do I like Kim's court?
36:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think he's done great, but we've all seen the, the highs and the lows and then, you know, at times with this defense under him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, I feel like you're, but it's almost like 50% of your candidates are already off the board.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No matter if they were good or not, you know, if you, if they really went to her, I feel like you're just,
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a new self behind for whatever reason.
37:08
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, so I don't know.
37:10
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a big fan of it, but if it all works out then I guess we'll all look back at this a year from now and be like, hey, I was a great choice.
37:17
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I guess outside of, they've already interviewed Jim Schwartz, obviously, who's here, RDC.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The only other defensive coordinator they've actually conducted an interview with was dirty out of Seattle.
37:29
[SPEAKER_06]: The other guys that are on the defensive side, well, they just requested interviews.
37:33
[SPEAKER_06]: They actually, they haven't actually secured those interviews or had them.
37:37
[SPEAKER_06]: And I wonder if guys like Chris Schulich, F-half, they won't even entertain it.
37:41
[SPEAKER_06]: If they hear these reports and everything that the Browns are saying then, we'd like you guys to keep Jim Schwartz on the staff.
37:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, in one aspect, you'd want maybe a defensive guy to come in and defensive guys want veterans, so I don't know if that means taking another swing at the shun or hopefully not, but they bring in a defensive guy or they're a veteran guy is what I'm saying on the recorder back and then they can just allocate the resources to whatever draft pieces they can get.
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[SPEAKER_02]: out of the draft.
38:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just think if Jimmy comes out, you listen to the press or you listen and you bury it, they're pretty much aligned on quarterback receiver and the offensive line.
38:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're hearing that as a defensive coach, you kind of like, well, why am I here?
38:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be here if I'm retail in the defense.
38:37
[SPEAKER_02]: So that makes it really easy for me to take.
38:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Daniels or a left ruler.
38:42
[SPEAKER_02]: If he comes available or whoever it is, picking these defensive guys brains, I don't know like what they're doing it for or why, but I mean, it just seems like the owners and some of the offense.
38:55
[SPEAKER_06]: For me, I'll go ahead, Justin.
38:56
[SPEAKER_06]: You, you good.
38:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would just, the only thing that I would counter with that is that you've got a defensive roster that is got to be salivating for a guy that, you know, as a defensive minded head, like that wants to be the defensive minded head coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As much as like they obviously want to retain sports as a defense coordinator, I think if they're really, really sold on a defensive head coach and that guy wants to bring in his own roster or I mean a zone staff, which he most likely would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know.
39:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you guys feel about this, but it's not very likely for a head coach to come in and just be like, yeah, hey, no, that's cool.
39:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He can a lot of these guys have been working with their guys.
39:41
[SPEAKER_01]: These are their guys.
39:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been, you know, in step with them for most of their career.
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you know, it's just like a, you're bringing your guy along with you.
39:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes with you.
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: He's part of the family.
39:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But if, you know, if you're a defensive head coach, candid it, the idea of taking over that side of the ball would be, you know, checkmark, but then you have major issues on the other side that that's why you if you're a defensive minded guy, you've got to bring in a young a young guy that can really,
40:15
[SPEAKER_06]: For sure, I saw Zach Jackson posted today about the Browns potentially bringing in Chris Schulah, the Ram's defensive coordinator to be their head coach and then him bringing Nate Shieldhouse along to be the O.C.
40:27
[SPEAKER_06]: And he said the problem with that kind of thinking is
40:31
[SPEAKER_06]: The other teams looking for new coaches have already probably considered that as well.
40:35
[SPEAKER_06]: So you're going to be fighting.
40:36
[SPEAKER_06]: If because the rams are always a sought after coaching staff, whether it's offense, defense doesn't matter.
40:43
[SPEAKER_06]: You're working under Sean McVeigh.
40:45
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a winning organization.
40:46
[SPEAKER_06]: They've got great culture.
40:48
[SPEAKER_06]: The trees phenomenal.
40:49
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to, if you're taking a shot at a young, you know, unproven coordinator guy you're probably going and looking at the Rams first and then maybe the 49ers and teams like that I do think at this point in time January 11th I think probably the odds on favorite to win this job or to get hired would be Mike McDaniel just because we heard reports two, three weeks ago.
41:13
[SPEAKER_06]: When the season was still happening, we still had Kevin Stefansky's our head coach.
41:17
[SPEAKER_06]: And we heard reports that, well, if Mike McDaniel were to get fired by the dolphins, the Browns would be interested in him as their new head coach.
41:23
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, okay, well, we still already have a coach.
41:27
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's when it was like, I think Kevin Stefansky's out.
41:29
[SPEAKER_06]: They're already talking about being interested in McDaniel.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He gets fired.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They bring him in for an interview next week.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like that is probably my bedding favorite at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you threw hit the shorts part out, like we've been saying, he'd be good with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he would salivate at getting whatever quarterback he wants or whatever's ideas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Johnkins fan in, and then you retool that offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he could do some stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be there too.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, and he goes ahead, Justin.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be interested in just, you know, what he could bring to the table as far as working with Shidorah also, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that guy that resurrect to to his career and for, you know, two seasons until we're not exactly sure what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the downfall of two, and exactly is right now, but I mean, multiple bad concussions did not help his career, you know, injuries to that team and playmakers as far as losing tire re-kill, what that will do to an offense, you know, especially with what Mike McGangels is trying to run down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would genuinely be interested in seeing what he can do because right now we're talking like we don't even have a quarterback for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got some quarterbacks, it's just, can we get a guy in here that can work for them with any of them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we develop anybody?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now obviously, I don't think that that search is 100% a done deal yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're still on the market potentially, you know, we got to work with some money, but I would be very, very interested to see what Mike and Danos get to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Colton said this before, or typed it before I can set it, but you got to remember.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He loves Dylan and they want to get him before we took him to the third round to get ahead of the dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so that could be scary.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, with the dolphins, you know,
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's been points, especially like this year, and I think last year too, if I remember and maybe it was the year before, it just felt like there was so much dysfunction at times with that team.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, the Browns beat the ever-loving daylights out of the dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This season, with this, with the Browns team, that was one of the games where we just clobbered somebody, and it was the dolphins, and then they turned around and they, they win how many in a row to end the season, and
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[SPEAKER_06]: And they're, all of a sudden, the last couple of weeks season, you see the graphics on the screen, dolphins are in the hunt.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're not high in the hunt, but they're still there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, man, these guys are still fighting, even though it look like they were the worst team in the NFL, certain points is yours.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I, I know it's been reported.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The Browns admire Mike McDaniel's offensive mind, his creativity, and all that kind of stuff, and I'm interested in that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the dysfunction just there's dysfunction in Cleveland just by default, and I'm always nervous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be gold.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, those the anti, he's the anti Cleveland medium, and well, the only way to not lose this game is to, you know, win the game, not lose it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, great quote there Mike and I think if we're if we're going to talk about Mike McDaniel being the coach we got to remember there's no acid at the end of that name it's Mike McDaniel right yeah we do that a lot I know it's very easy I do all time too I'm like is it an S or not no there's no acid is Mike McDaniel singular
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[SPEAKER_06]: We can keep talking about the head coaching stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We can shift over and talk about some prospects.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We can talk about the draft, whatever we want to dive into here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Inter Jackson didn't miss a beat.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll get him back up here real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, one thing we got to point out, though, is yesterday that Rams game, it was the, that was the Josh and, uh, gauge ball, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's Duke of Versus, Jalen Coker, and that, and if you guys get into this podcast, you get part of this discord group, you guys would realize that those guys, well, Josh actually
48:41
[SPEAKER_02]: has been bang in the table to get jail and poker and we didn't get either one.
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[SPEAKER_06]: If the Browns were a lesson though, so we got pretty too damn good receivers on which team man without much investment without what you could get up fifth and you put in the fifth and you could just sign jail and poker as a U.D.F.A.
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[SPEAKER_06]: no big deal, but he wasn't a fifth either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a U.D.F.A.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh damn.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Andrew, what you're thinking about?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, what we're going to go off that, I mean, if you listen to the gauge and DF and all that, all that kind of stuff, we're going to also end up with the part of the most terrible.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And they're terrible at telling the valuation, but that's the side of the point.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was giving him his flowers, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was giving him his flowers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, do you say he was being paid before?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I never heard him once say his name.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It usually is someone else's, but I mean, remain burdened as long as you're whatever.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's funny anyway.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, like, like I put in the chat.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think when in those two last two games, you know, made this job possibly a little less attractive?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, if the look better, you know, with the first pick, then where we're sitting at now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I like to say, I think it might have, but I'm, you know, I'm not for sure.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Number one overall pick is always going to look better to a head coaching candidate at the number six especially when there is a clear cut number one overall quarterback and you're looking at a potential head coaching job for a team that doesn't have a locked in sure fire quarterback in place.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And if you're an offensive guy that's you got to salivate a little bit of that thought that's why the Raiders I think is pretty attractive for some of these offensive guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a hundred percent with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It definitely probably did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is is the fact that it did happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We won the last two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We go from potentially, you know, the number one pick to the number six pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go from there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like all hope is lost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, now instead of you're taking a, you know, franchise number one QB, go get your wide receiver number one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, go get a legit weapon for this team that we've never had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've just figured we've never addressed that problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
51:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a damn, like a damning thing.
51:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know it's not exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I laughed with somebody about this like a week ago because they're like damn, you know, like, man, that sucks that we did win those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, man,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That you know what I mean like that we beat the Steelers and we beat the Bengals and you know like I'm Obviously like does it suck day, you know, we probably set back the the rebuild maybe a year.
51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, but oh well It is what it is.
51:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm I'm go with it go get yourself a library server one
51:35
[SPEAKER_06]: I still think, and we've talked about this on the show plenty of times, I still think Shador Sanders' worth building around next year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The only one, the only quarterback that I was even remotely entertaining as, go get the guy if you can get him would have been Fernando Mendoza.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Outside of that, I'm good, let's just roll with Shador, because like you said, we don't have a franchise receiver.
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[SPEAKER_06]: at all for this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of a lot of franchise things on the side of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's some.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Blake is blazing here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Blake just dropped a photo in the chat says he's got he took a photo up at the cabs game the other night with I believe what's the name Jason Tyson?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, uh, he placed the cabs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, jail and Tyson.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so it's his brother, George Tyson's brother, who the Blake hung out with him and talked to him a couple of times, which is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Talk to him about his brother coming to Cleveland.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And obviously his brother would like him to be in Cleveland.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So there's a potential connection.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There were Jordan Tyson out of Arizona State.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I honestly, six, I think if you go,
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm kind and I haven't done my prospect breakdowns.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I haven't gone into film and stuff, but like I like Carnotate, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I like Dorn Tyson, and I like McCuylman.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I really like McCuylman.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think that I don't know if 6 is too high for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: based on what I'm raised with a need when you have a need like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that kid, I, I've watched some film, uh, on, uh, my Kyla, uh, lemon from USC.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That, that to do that we could put on the field and he can make some plays for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They won.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a right now with.
53:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and that's when you just turn on you watch five minutes of his film and you can go if you can go yeah that dude he can make a difference on my team right now you draft that guy even if they're like oh well he's projected to be number 13 who cares go get your guy you have a need somebody else will take him and I guarantee it won't be at 13 or 14 it'll be at eight or nine he's an offensive weapon where and an offensive NFL lead mind right now.
53:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, uh, I'm already, say Brown is, you know, he's, he's in that bold and they're from the same university, are they not?
53:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, that is true.
53:43
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think the play style wise and everything that is how he's being calmed as a pro comparison would have been an almond rossing brown.
53:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, that was a prospect because yeah, I mean, having the guy that we have us can, you know, send a hundred and eleven passes to you like, that'd be amazing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And like I said, almond raw was a third round pick.
54:04
[SPEAKER_06]: this guy's being comped to him and he's a first round prospect so i think i don't know i the more i read and watch on my column and i know he's not the six foot three behemoth you know wide receiver one alphadog that everybody's infatuated with but would you take on and raw same brownish or wide receiver one even though he's a smaller guy
54:22
[SPEAKER_06]: right.
54:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not your prototypical build on the number one, but I'll tell you what, when you watch Sun God play.
54:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I definitely don't go that guy.
54:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't have doubt to my mind that he can play in this league.
54:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I watch your guy like I'm on Ross St. Brown and I'm blown away by how much better he is than everybody else around him.
54:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it a situation where the Browns give you lemons and Mike McDaniels can make lemonade?
54:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_06]: I, all I needed to do like this morning, I watched some highlight throws of Shidorah Sanders from this year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, you know what, I, I'm even more bought in.
55:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's just build around him because he's making, these, the, the deep passes for touchdowns and things.
55:28
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, damn, that, that pass that he almost had to South Canela against the, uh, bangles was beautiful.
55:34
[SPEAKER_06]: And just got just dropped it.
55:35
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I mean, a good, you know, NFL caliber player makes that catch hopefully.
55:40
[SPEAKER_02]: man and think about all the times he was under duress where he was making these spectacular throws like if he just had an offensive line like I'm like kind of leaning a little bit more toughens of line right now and getting guys like lemon and Boston and all these guys but again I haven't done enough looking at receiver prospects and prospect prospecting as I should have so I'm going to be a quiet on it but man there there is excitement to be at
56:08
[SPEAKER_06]: I think around you.
56:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, Justin.
56:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Those top three guys, uh, it's a lot of fun watching film and the all three of those top tape, Tyson and, um, lemon are phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are phenomenal talent prospects.
56:24
[SPEAKER_06]: And they provide you with different things which I am anticipating the Browns to go heavy investment in O line in free agency because there's really no wider severs in free agency to invest heavily and outside of a guy like maybe you get a Romeo dobs maybe get an Alec pierce but those still aren't your wide receiver ones you're not paying them like that you're going to overpay them to get them in free agency first of all.
56:48
[SPEAKER_06]: That's just how it works.
56:50
[SPEAKER_06]: But if you can get each so what the bears did, how they built that offensive line in free agency, they just went hard after that position, do that.
56:58
[SPEAKER_06]: Do that, that way in the draft, you can go, I would love to see the first round.
57:01
[SPEAKER_06]: If they don't go it like the other day, I did a mock and I got Carnotate and then I went, KC Concepts Yewn later, go McCuy Lemon and then go get your big bodied outside, X receiver in Denzel Boston, out of Washington.
57:15
[SPEAKER_06]: Due to stud.
57:17
[SPEAKER_06]: You've transformed your wide receiver core under the assumption, of course, that you've already fixed your offensive line for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I still like some of these offensive linemen that they could be able to get at 39 in the second round.
57:30
[SPEAKER_06]: There's going to be guys available, just the receiver tier drops.
57:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Once you get past those first, like three or four guys.
57:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.
57:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.
57:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and I'm just looking at the, I'm looking at the free agents right now for offensive linemen.
57:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be, have you get the leader, Bob?
57:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
57:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
57:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Hardball can help make that happen.
57:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, man.
57:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's so many, there's so many orange helmets here.
57:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, our, our offensive line, they're going pretty much gone anyways.
57:58
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, I would even bring Kevin Zitler back like, he threw him in for a year.
58:03
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
58:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's definitely, definitely a lot of guys that we had in your 100% right.
58:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always a point that I forget that these guys that are receivers that are,
58:14
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, elite, they don't get the free agency man.
58:18
[SPEAKER_02]: You get traded or you re-sign with your team and that's it.
58:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And building the line through free agency is paramount, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So even Austin Corbett, he's a free agent.
58:29
[SPEAKER_02]: We can get him back too.
58:30
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
58:31
[SPEAKER_06]: What's up, buddy?
58:35
[SPEAKER_05]: So, the first round, a lot of us have gone
58:42
[SPEAKER_05]: But I can for us of saying at the spots training up from 28, maybe a little bit to like them, like the middle of the first round.
58:53
[SPEAKER_05]: We have the capital to do riders.
58:55
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, get to get two good riders, hevers and then the rest of the draft is focus on the offensive line for depth or wider
59:13
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you see like me and your ass, all of us doing tons of mock dress, but like there's a lot of good linemen that fall the second round.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So like this theory of like we have to get one in the first round is not like a thing.
59:31
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't buy it.
59:33
[SPEAKER_05]: It'd be great to get like Halo or
59:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Alabama, Kate was a KT doctor, so obviously that'd be great, but like when I'm doing the mock drafts, there's a lot of good linemen, it's like a few of the big linemen drafts, so I mean, but we can get guys in the second and the third round, now
1:00:04
[SPEAKER_05]: The one thing that hinders us with that is our genuine manager is not very good head of following offensive linemen.
1:00:14
[SPEAKER_06]: That's why we got to do the job form Browns fans out there.
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_06]: We got to do it.
1:00:19
[SPEAKER_06]: We got to go do the prospect research.
1:00:20
[SPEAKER_06]: Who's available?
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Make sure we just go hardcore on social media.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Draft this freaking guy Andrew Barry.
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_06]: So we don't end up with a freaking Anthony Schwartz, you know, kind of situation.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we go.
1:00:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:00:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, while we're on this too, and you know, we're going to, the off, the off season goes quick, but I mean, we're, we're talking to three months out from the draft.
1:00:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't, we, we laughing, you know, we, we criticize some of the decision making on injury bury in the season, like as far as after the roster's built.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_01]: but he's good for at least one or two splash moves during the off season where he'll shake some things up and he'll do something.
1:00:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't put it out of the realm that he'd put in a phone call to maybe the eagles who as a good relationship with who have a out of a white receiver one that is ticked off beyond means.
1:01:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I I I'm bad with the money stuff from the cap and
1:01:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I know when I look at it, we're in, we're negative $40 million or whatever at the beginning of the year and we can't take on a wide receiver one contract.
1:01:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it doesn't make sense to me.
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_01]: We usually buy the beginning of the year, all that crap lines up, but don't put it out of the room, too, that we go get a guy, you know, I think it'd be expensive to get like an AJ Brown.
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, you know, so how about this?
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to throw this out there now because I'm going to be talking about it here in the coming months.
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_06]: One guy that I would be very interested in the Browns at least kick in the tires on is a guy that actually just caught the first touchdown pass for the Jacksonville Jaguars in this wild card game and it's Brian Thomas Jr.
1:01:50
[SPEAKER_06]: He has been asleeply overlooked this season.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They went and they made the huge splash move last year with the Browns to go get Travis Hunter.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're
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[SPEAKER_06]: prioritizing Parker Washington on their watershed before they just went and traded and extended Jacobi.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They've got bread and strange.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They've got these running backs that they got to, you know, or they keep in Travis E.T.N.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What's the situation there?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like a guy who's been overlooked by them and underutilized all season, who's kind of had a down year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: dominated as a rookie is Brian Thomas Jr. Not a lot of people don't realize he's only been playing the game of football for a few years.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He didn't start playing football at all until like halfway through his high school career and I don't even know if he started off playing receiver or not.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So really he started to learn receiver while he was at LSU and you saw what he was already able to do in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would love to see if Brian Thomas Jr. could be had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Josh, I don't know if you recall this either from last year, he absolutely balled out with not Trevor Lawrence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But with back Jones.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When absolutely crazy and looked like an alpha wide receiver one looked every bit of the park now with Trevor Lawrence and quarterback for some reason, I don't know if it's a chemistry thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's there on the same page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those two have not been able to figure it out and we're going on multiple seasons of this now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, uh, he's almost like a piece that just doesn't fit in their puzzle, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just kind of a nice piece, but it doesn't really, they don't really have a role for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would absolutely, it's, it's a great point, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would absolutely be calling them and seeing if you can figure something out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what I'm hearing is we're putting Matt Jones and BTJ back together and we're going to use some of that draft capital's 10 draft picks and bring it to Cleveland, that's where I'm hearing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would hate it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would hate it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That'd be okay with it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Brad, you got anything else for us?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying that like.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's a, there's a, there's a lot of good whiter series in the first round and yeah, I love to trade for Brian Thomas or Age of brown or whoever, but you know some of the guys like Justin is alluded to me, you got to, you got to, you got to, um,
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[SPEAKER_06]: you know, renew their contracts and the money and all that stuff would be a little bit more difficult to finance a guy on a rookie contract.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I know a lot of people throw Marvin Harrison Jr. out there as well from Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they're going to have a new coaching staff coming in.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's been underutilized and hasn't really performed up to that top draft pick that they used on him.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Could some of these guys we we've seen it happen.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I guess is what I'm getting now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We've seen these younger Maybe underperforming coming in under expectation type wide receivers get moved from their team and then they go to the new team and it just there it is there the guy and It could happen.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not saying it will I'm not even saying it's likely I understand I would love to explore the possibility
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[SPEAKER_06]: Enjoy the roller coaster ride boys because it's gonna be a lot of us time out here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's the last time a year, man For rounds fans There you guys.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All right, Brad.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll talk to you later real quick.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I know it's two o'clock.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We've hit our hour Does anybody else in the audience want to come up and get any thoughts in the show real quick before we wrap it up Kenny just in any last parting thoughts from you guys
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, I changed my tune on Cleveland being like a destination.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was kicking the God and saying it's a bad destination, but I've changed my tune on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like where the defense is and I like the pieces that we got last year in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just get me some free agents, some free agent lineman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay with cut couple of free agent receivers, but maybe we'll get together and do couple of shows.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, those shows are coming for sure just to anything from you buddy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to the upcoming week and just all the drama and fun and desperation of another Browns op season looking forward to it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Amen.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
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