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It's Just a Pig in a Blanket · I Think Less of You Podcast

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: What does nootropic mean?
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's a fancy tech bro name for,
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_02: you know how people have like the mushroom stuff that they take?
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  SPEAKER_02: Not like magic mushrooms.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no.
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  Like the functional mushrooms that are supposed to like give
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  you energy and health and stuff.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't know this.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, I'm like slamming down some
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: energy gummies that have functional mushrooms in them.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: Start with caffeine.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do you like our fathers did?
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: They don't have caffeine.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, you should just be mainlining caffeine.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Does Celsius have caffeine?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: I know nothing about Celsius.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: Celsius is basically only caffeine.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I actually thought it was alcoholic, like White Claw.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: I did try to buy alcohol this morning,
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  SPEAKER_02: by the way,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I could not because it was too early in the state of Colorado.
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  rare colorado w i was buying a demi champagne bottle for a
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  cheese plate for my
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  friend i am making because she just had a baby oh i'm like
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  congrats you can drink
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  champagne again she's breastfeeding gotta limit that she has
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  five kids it'll be
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  SPEAKER_02: fine she knows what she's doing um
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no.
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  SPEAKER_02: Celsius is a lot of caffeine.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I haven't actually consumed much of it, so I'm going to.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my wife only drinks water and milk.
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  And sometimes she'll have a drink with dinner sometimes,
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  like a glass of wine.
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  SPEAKER_00: She'll make herself a mixed drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am an American man.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: I drink coffee and I drink diet soda.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are the things I drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: I drink water occasionally, but mostly it's coffee and diet soda.
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  SPEAKER_02: How do you drink your coffee, though?
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  SPEAKER_00: With cream.
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  SPEAKER_00: Half and half.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think is half and half?
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  If it was tea...
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  I drank my magic beans the way God intended without water.
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  If it was tea,
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  given your anglophile household,
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  you'd probably be Earl Grey with cream.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't do coffee or tea with cream.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like cream.
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  SPEAKER_00: But bear in mind, I am...
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: At the moment, I'm using Kroger brand K-Cups.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's not high-quality coffee.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had a lovely single-origin Guatemalan blend this morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was just delightful.
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  SPEAKER_00: My Kroger brand K-Cups were on Manager Special.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a big box.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got a Manager Special, so it's great because it's cheap.
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  SPEAKER_02: I make pour over coffee, so I just drink the magic bean water.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I only drink coffee.
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  SPEAKER_00: Although now I'm drinking a Celsius, so.
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  SPEAKER_00: I only drink coffee when it's cold out.
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  SPEAKER_00: So during the cold months, I do not like drinking.
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  I don't actually like the taste of coffee enough to like to
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  drink iced coffee.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: When it gets cold out, I will start drinking coffee.
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  SPEAKER_00: I drink one to two cups of coffee per day, but they're big cups.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're these big metal cups.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you and your giant metal cups.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's so American suburban.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's great.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: But Stanley Stanley Stanley Cups.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: I will not use that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't like the straw.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't like the straw.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like they have the big straw stick.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't want that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I have just a profusion of old coffee makers.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if I find an entertaining old coffee maker, I will always buy it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I have these very old, I have like two very old sunbeam coffee makers.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a vacuum coffee maker.
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  So you put the water on the bottom and then you put,
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  there's like two bubbles.
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  SPEAKER_00: clamp together.
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  SPEAKER_00: You put the water in the bottom bubble,
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  SPEAKER_00: and then you put the coffee with the filter in the top bubble,
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  SPEAKER_00: and then clamp it to the bottom,
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  SPEAKER_00: and then you plug it in,
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  SPEAKER_00: and the water vacuums up.
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  As it heats to the bottom,
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  it uses physics to vacuum the water up into the top chamber.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's called a vacuum.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're well-known.
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  SPEAKER_00: It makes very good coffee.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, they're both kind of a pain to clean.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I have all these K-cups that I bought, so I just use the K-cups.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just get a Chemex.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: What's a Chemex?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a giant glass craft that kind of goes in in the middle,
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  SPEAKER_02: and you put these big paper filters in the top,
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  SPEAKER_02: and you just put the beans in,
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  SPEAKER_02: and then you boil water,
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  SPEAKER_02: preferably with a gooseneck kettle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because it goes out slower and it's more precise.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're not just plopping water on the beans.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can get the perfect crema that way.
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  You also want to make sure that you grind your beans through a
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  burr grinder,
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  SPEAKER_02: not a regular coffee grinder.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a burr grinder.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually have that.
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  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_02: See, look, you're already half the way there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's Bodum branded burr grinder I bought.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a good grinder.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just need some good beans.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure you can find good beans around you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I...
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  SPEAKER_00: have tried to pretend I could become a coffee snob at times.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there is, oh God, what country is it?
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  There's a random African country that makes beans that I
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  really,
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  really like.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember what it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not Ethiopia.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's next to Ethiopia.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like Ethiopian beans though.
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  SPEAKER_02: Although Ethiopian beans can be really strong.
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  SPEAKER_02: They can be raisiny and kind of taste like rum sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So,
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  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually have a bunch of unground beans,
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  SPEAKER_00: a bunch of ground coffee,
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  and yet every morning I just pop a K-cup into my thing and just
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  make curing easier
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  SPEAKER_00: when I'm out and about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Trying to get the start of the day.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a snob.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm a man of the people.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not like you.
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  SPEAKER_02: You've seen the quality of coffee that I will drink.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am an addict, first and foremost.
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  SPEAKER_02: When we were in Ireland,
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  I stopped into a coffee shop on the way to a coffee shop
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  because that's the amount
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  SPEAKER_02: of caffeine that I consume in a day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I just...
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  SPEAKER_02: I need it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll drink instant coffee if I have to.
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  But if I have a choice,
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  I'm going to go for really good,
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  high-quality coffee.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I just drink coffee black.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even really gross coffee, I drink the black.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like having a little cream there.
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  SPEAKER_00: It cuts the bitterness.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm using my essential oil thing for.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: You're there puffing on your essential oil thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not puffing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not an actual vape, but it looks like a vape.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just essential oils.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's to give you the sensation.
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  SPEAKER_02: You need it because you smoke too much.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: Man craves a cigarette.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: That is something to do with their hands.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, this thing is great because it like click here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can you hear it like clicking?
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  SPEAKER_00: I can, yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it has like a magnet in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you like it's designed to play with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's an adult fidget spinner.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it feels like you're vaping something, but there's no battery.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just like essential oils.
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  SPEAKER_02: I sound unhinged this morning.
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  I'm mainlining caffeine and mushroom gummies and an essential
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  oil inhaler.
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  SPEAKER_00: I sound great and down to earth and a man of the people this morning,
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  SPEAKER_00: as always,
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  SPEAKER_00: because this describes me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm also enjoying – this isn't going to be broadcast with a video,
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  but I randomly found – just to give you an idea of how
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  disorganized I generally am.
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  SPEAKER_00: At some point,
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  SPEAKER_00: I apparently bought a very nice webcam,
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  SPEAKER_00: and it fell behind my piano for some reason.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was rearranging my televisions in my house over the weekend,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I randomly stumbled upon this very nice webcam.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have no real recollection of having purchased.
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  SPEAKER_00: I clearly purchased it at some point.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my picture is much nicer now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also, I got my hair cut.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a good day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Other than, you know, the problems this morning with Twitter.
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  I like that you were talking about getting your hair cut,
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  but you're wearing a hat.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm wearing a hat.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Also, your picture is blurry as heck for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'll take your word for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Looks good for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So how did you survive the great Twitter outage this morning?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: I said on Twitter that I went and stood in the street corner in town,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I yelled my opinions on the day's news at random passerbys.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you were complaining.
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  SPEAKER_02: You texted me, and you were like, you said you were going to do that.
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  And I was like,
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  if only you had an outlet,
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  like a podcast,
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  where you could—
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  SPEAKER_00: Apparently,
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  SPEAKER_00: Riverside is not affected by,
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  SPEAKER_00: or I don't know,
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  SPEAKER_00: maybe it was,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the cloud,
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  SPEAKER_00: it wasn't just a Twitter problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was all cloud flare went down.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not all of cloud flare.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or at least large chunks of cloud flare.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got an alert at like 430.
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  I have an email from my I have like a thing set up that it
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  alerts me if my site goes down.
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  So I did get a message saying it went down,
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  but it only went down really briefly.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have an awesome host.
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  And he quickly moved things over onto a different Cloudflare
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  server that did not go down.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which seems important to have available.
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  SPEAKER_02: But my network went down this morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: Lots of stuff went down.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is going to be an expensive day for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: You would think that more people would have redundancies on these things.
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  But at the same time,
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  when you have something as large as Twitter or X,
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  whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cloudflare is the redundancy.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Is it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like when your website goes down, Cloudflare is what keeps it up.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes if like my server crashes or anything on my host's end...
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  Cloudflare keeps a cached version of my website on it that
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  people can access.
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  Like,
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  Cloudflare keeps your site up so when it goes down,
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  you're kind of screwed.
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  SPEAKER_00: It takes everything down, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was, you know, it was just, like, everything.
• 10:52
  Usually,
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  historically,
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  when Twitter goes down,
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  the direct message chats stay operational.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those went down, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything went down.
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  SPEAKER_02: You were just getting a cached version of Twitter.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: I trucked over to DownDetector because historically,
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  SPEAKER_00: when Twitter goes down,
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  SPEAKER_00: what you do is then you go to DownDetector for is Twitter down.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the comment section on DownDetector becomes default Twitter.
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  You can then just read all the people randomly babbling in the
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  replies and comments section.
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  SPEAKER_00: Except...
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  SPEAKER_00: Except Down Detector apparently uses Cloudflare.
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  SPEAKER_02: Took Downtown Detector.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which is a delightful bit of irony.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had to go to Facebook this morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was that, like, jonesing for my fix.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had to go to Facebook.
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  SPEAKER_00: As it happened,
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  I had scheduled my haircut for an extraordinarily perspicuous
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  time because I was
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  SPEAKER_00: through much of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was getting a haircut.
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  SPEAKER_00: But normally,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I've said this before,
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  SPEAKER_00: normally what I do when I wake up is I don't,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  Certainly open up my phone and try to look while I'm getting
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  ready for my day.
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  SPEAKER_00: I try to go through and see what see what have people responded to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then over overnight while I was asleep, I sleep longer.
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  I go to bed earlier than most of the people who follow me
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  because,
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  you know,
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  one old man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Also, you live in an old man time zone.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I live in Eastern time zone, which is God's time.
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  SPEAKER_02: The rest of us are up partying.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mountain time.
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  A,
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  barely anybody lives in mountain time because it's mostly this
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  barren rock and Wyoming.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wyoming is barren rock.
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  SPEAKER_02: What are you talking about?
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  SPEAKER_00: They have scrub there.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have grasses.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you see the pictures I sent you?
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  SPEAKER_00: For the cattle that outnumber the humans to eat.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bridget called it a poo-colored wasteland.
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  In fairness,
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  going in the fall or early winter really isn't,
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  I'm sure,
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  seeing it at its best.
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  I don't know that you've ever been to eastern Wyoming,
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  if you think it gets better than that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've never been to any Wyoming.
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  SPEAKER_02: Western Wyoming is beautiful, lots of people think.
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  SPEAKER_02: But people think of northwest Wyoming when they think of Wyoming.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have been west of the Mississippi very little.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am shocked by this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I flew to Texas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Texas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Texas was west of Mississippi.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um,
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  SPEAKER_00: when I was in Louisiana,
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  SPEAKER_00: I went west of Mississippi,
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  SPEAKER_00: but literally I crossed the Mississippi in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cause there's a really good,
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  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  in Baton Rouge is a really good bakery that I like to go to
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  when I'm in Baton
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  SPEAKER_00: Rouge.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's on the other side of the Mississippi.
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  So literally I got up before the rest of my family drove across
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  the Mississippi to
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  SPEAKER_00: go to this little bakery to get,
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  SPEAKER_00: to get us,
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  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, God, what are those things called?
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  SPEAKER_00: The hot dog and the pig in a blanket.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are they called?
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  SPEAKER_00: Kolachi.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, it's kolaches.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I drove back across Mississippi.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just described a kolachi as a pig in a blanket?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's basically a pig in a blanket, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, it is not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a sausage.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kolaches.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a sausage.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they can be sweet, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, kolaches are basically a sweet or savory donut type.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're talking about a different thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Texas.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, Texas, Louisiana.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's you're describing a sausage roll.
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: OK.
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  SPEAKER_00: What I will tell you in Louisiana, they're referred to as kolaches.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they have sausage.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have cheese.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can look this up.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not making this up.
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  SPEAKER_00: The food blogger is wrong about food.
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  SPEAKER_02: I go to Texas plenty and have never had one like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, they have sausage in them sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go to freaking Bucky's.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go to Bucky's.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: No, I will not go to Bucky's.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go to Bucky's in 20 minutes.
• 14:55
  Bucky's is not representative of literally anything ever
• 14:59
  because Bucky's sucks.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's overpriced.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: It is nasty commercial.
• 15:05
  It's like Walmart,
• 15:07
  but with a hideous beaver,
• 15:08
  cartoon beaver on everything.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: I hate Buc-ee's.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: I am repeatedly on record.
• 15:14
  Do not bring up Buc-ee's with me because I will tell you all
• 15:17
  about Buc-ee's.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: When you come visit in Colorado.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to Buc-ee's.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not going to Buc-ee's.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: I have to go to Buc-ee's sometimes because they have the best chargers.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: They have the only Tesla superchargers around.
• 15:31
  the ee drivers posting their l's bucky's is horrible i think
• 15:40
  okay my the first time
• 15:42
  i ever went to a bucky's i posted it about posted about it on
• 15:45
  twitter and i said i
• 15:46
  didn't like it you just said a boat like a canadian a boot
• 15:49
  sorry to call that out
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: you don't like bucky's because you like tim horton's
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: actually, no, I don't like Tim Hortons.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: I've heard Tim Hortons is better.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: I do actually love Tim Hortons.
• 16:00
  I've,
• 16:01
  I have heard Tim Hortons was better before they did the reverse
• 16:04
  merger with Burger King.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but, uh,
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: They used to have these great apple cider donuts that I would get.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: I love apple cider donuts.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: There are no good apple.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: There's no good like cidery around me now, which is very sad.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: When I lived in Michigan,
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: there was an excellent cider mill not far from where I lived,
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: which was wonderful.
• 16:25
  You could come visit your friend in Colorado who has an apple
• 16:29
  and pear orchard in
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: her front yard.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have a cider press?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, we do.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: You actually make cider?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Mail me cider.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: Every year.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's in a jar.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Mail me cider.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Get some jugs and mail me cider.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: You'll have to visit us and you can take home some sugar.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm being held hostage.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're coming out here to visit anyway.
• 16:53
  What if I tell you that my wife really likes cider and I have
• 16:57
  trouble finding a
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: good cider around here?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: I actually do.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Then I'll send it.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't mention she was involved.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: She loves apple cider.
• 17:07
  But most of the apple ciders you get at grocery stores are like
• 17:10
  they're the ultra homogenized.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:14
  Often made from like red,
• 17:15
  I think they're made from like red delicious or whatever.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: But she doesn't like that.
• 17:19
  You get those and then you just make your own mulling spices
• 17:23
  and you're good to go.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think she likes mulled cider.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: She likes cider.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: She drinks it cold.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: She likes cold cider.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, she would love ours, I'm sure.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you need to mail her some.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: She would be very grateful.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: I would for her.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know that I will for you.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: You would for me.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: You talk a big game.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: You would.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: No, because it actually seems like a nightmare to send.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Sending liquids is kind of a pain.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: People do it.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: I know that people do it, but it's liquid gold.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: I don't need to break the cider.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: In Dexter, Michigan, there was a thing called the Dexter Cider Mill.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Had excellent cider, excellent apple cider donuts.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: You could go out there and spend an afternoon there.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: You would laugh if you knew how I made my apple cider donuts.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: I love to make donuts with crayons, like the biscuit dough.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: You get the non-buttery kind.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: It can't be the buttery kind because that throws off the flavor.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's how they do donuts.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: At least how they used to do donuts at all-you-can-eat Chinese buffets.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, they're the best.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: So you do that.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: You drop them in oil.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: You make the donuts.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: I actually have this as a recipe on my site because,
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: you can't figure this out yourself.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: I like that you put that in quotes because it deserves them.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: It deserves the quotes.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: It really did.
• 18:48
  And then when they're still hot,
• 18:50
  but you've taken them out of the oil,
• 18:52
  I've rolled them in.
• 18:54
  So there's this like powdered mulling spice mix called Aspen
• 18:58
  Mulling Spices.
• 19:01
  You can only really find them online,
• 19:02
  even though they're from Colorado,
• 19:04
  obviously.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, Luke's cousin's wife's parents like own the company.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: But
• 19:11
  You roll them in that and it's like sweet and sugary and it
• 19:14
  gives you that like apple flavor.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: I love what a homer you are for Colorado.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: I really am.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like literally everything you talk about.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: The best version of this, of course, is from Colorado.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: But like we were talking about smoked fish and you immediately popped.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Salmon is so, so good and you need to go get it.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: I do not sleep on the honey smoked fish company.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: It is amazing.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: The best smoked fish in Colorado, a state known.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: For its fit and course.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, salmon from the beautiful Rocky Mountain.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Landlocked Colorado with its famous for having water issues.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Makes the best smoked fish ever.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but they really do.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: You have to go get it.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: They sell it everywhere.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: It is available nationwide.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the brand nationwide now.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: See, I really like whole smoked fish.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's long since gone.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: There was this place in Dunkirk, New York.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: They closed eons ago.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: When I was driving up through that area, I always used to stop.
• 20:26
  You could buy a whole smoked fish with the head still on and
• 20:30
  just stare at you
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: while you just pulled out chunks of the smoked fish and eaten it.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was fantastic.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Loved that place.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, they long ago closed.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: At one point, I was driving through.
• 20:42
  Dunkirk is right on Lake Erie,
• 20:43
  so it makes more sense that they would have smoked fish.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it does for Colorado.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: As much as a Colorado junkie as I am,
• 20:54
  you seem to think that a very specific region in the Northeast
• 21:01
  is the only place
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: that exists.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, the Great Lakes region is the best part of America.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: New England in some ways used to be.
• 21:10
  But the thing is,
• 21:11
  New England got completely taken over by people from New York
• 21:13
  City.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you want if you want to find the actual like the true Yankees,
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: the true New Englanders,
• 21:20
  you have to go to Florida because they all sold out to people
• 21:25
  from New York City
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: and moved to Florida.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: And now pretty much all.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: But my wife had a friend.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: We went to Maine to visit a friend of mine's wife.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, a friend of my wife's.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: There we go.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: And she was from Maine.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: They live in a very nice house in Maine with her parents.
• 21:48
  And when we were talking,
• 21:49
  her parents were like,
• 21:50
  we're both from Colorado.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: They both had, like, really, like, kind of ski-bum ways of talking.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, of course.
• 21:58
  They were both,
• 21:58
  like,
• 21:59
  apparently very good doctors who got the jobs at some giant
• 22:03
  hospital.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: But they were both from Colorado.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course he works.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: So they were horrible.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody's left.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Of the true New England Yankee anymore.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody's left of the true Coloradans anymore.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: My husband is.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: They all moved to New England.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: My husband is.
• 22:20
  Like,
• 22:21
  he is a sixth and seventh generation or something Coloradan on
• 22:26
  each side.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: His family has been in Colorado since before Colorado was a state.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: See?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Which is cool.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Some great, great, great grandpa used to be a U.S.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: territorial judge up in Canyon City.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Your husband has every excuse to be a Colorado homer.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: You, on the other hand.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, my grandpa lived in Colorado for a while.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: My great-grandpa paved Trail Ridge Road.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: No one in my family has lived west of Mississippi.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Going back forever.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: My family was in New England and then out into western New York.
• 23:10
  That was the territorial spread of my family going back to
• 23:16
  before the revolution.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: Mine were, I had Boston and Long Island and Harrisburg.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: But outside of that, it was like South Dakota, Kansas, California.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: But no,
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: the Great Lakes region,
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: way better than Colorado in basically every way,
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: if only because they have water.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: You have never been to Colorado, sir.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: And yet I feel confident in saying way better than Colorado.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-mm.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to like it.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'll make sure of it.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Self-sufficient on water.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's the important part.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay,
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: we could be,
• 23:55
  except for the dang Californians who keep blocking all of the
• 24:00
  reservoirs we want to
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: build.
• 24:01
  We don't talk enough about the crimes against literally every
• 24:06
  other part of that
• 24:07
  entire region that the coastal region of California has done as
• 24:10
  far as water goes.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think Chinatown's somewhat about it,
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: but George Mulholland,
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: to create Los Angeles,
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: basically destroyed...
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: most of the entire region in the area around Los Angeles.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Periodically,
• 24:30
  you'll see people talk about how California is a crop exporter.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: They create this massive amount of crops.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: They're self-sufficient,
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: but what they actually grow in California,
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: they use this insane amount of water to grow huge amounts of alfalfa.
• 24:50
  Just massive amounts of alfalfa,
• 24:52
  and they grow almonds,
• 24:54
  and they grow,
• 24:56
  what's it?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Pistachios.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: Pistachios.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: Almonds and pistachios.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's actually not true.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's about it.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: It is not even remotely true.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: Do you like eating fresh berries?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever bought a clamshell package of Driscoll's anything?
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: I avoid it because Driscoll's berries all come from Oxnard,
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: California,
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: right down the street from where I grew up.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now Ventura County has some water.
• 25:25
  The really bad part is more like Inland Empire where they would
• 25:30
  have better water,
• 25:31
  except it's all being diverted to Los Angeles to keep Kim
• 25:35
  Kardashian's four lawns
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: green.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:39
  But they also divert it for avocado trees and almond trees are
• 25:45
  like the huge,
• 25:47
  huge,
• 25:47
  huge.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 25:50
  The strawberry farms where they were caught with the Gavin
• 25:54
  Newsom was complaining
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: about about the illegal aliens getting rounded up while harvesting the
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: strawberries.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: I remember.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, in Ventura County, right?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Literally right down the road from where I grew up.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: We used to go to the pick-your-own-strawberry farms.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: I love pick-your-own-strawberries.
• 26:10
  I actually do try to avoid buying Driscolls because they're the
• 26:16
  grocery store
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: strawberries are never as good.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: This is just universal truth.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: American strawberries as a whole.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: Not good.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: I will push back on that.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: Not good.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 26:27
  The thing is that the really good strawberry-tasting
• 26:32
  strawberries don't ship well.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: The really, really good-tasting strawberries don't grow that well.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: European strawberries are so much better.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: Even their big commercial brand ones, they're tiny.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: They're not as pretty.
• 26:47
  And they have a little bit of a different shape,
• 26:50
  but the flavor is insane.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: I've had European strawberries.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: They're fine.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: You just like to be contrarian.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: The little local farm strawberries,
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: they're growing the varieties of strawberries that do not ship well,
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: are way better than anything in a grocery store.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: I love grocery stores.
• 27:12
  I don't want to come off like an anti-capitalist hippie and be
• 27:15
  like,
• 27:15
  oh,
• 27:15
  grocery stores.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Grocery stores serve a very important purpose, but I...
• 27:20
  One of the areas where I actually am mildly hippie-ish is that
• 27:23
  I think that people
• 27:24
  are better off if they are eating things that are ideally grown
• 27:30
  near them.
• 27:32
  Because I think that people are better off sticking to the –
• 27:38
  we're built to follow
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: a specific food cycle.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: And if you try to mostly eat things that are grown near you,
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: you're going to be sticking with the local food cycle of growth.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's probably good for people.
• 27:54
  I like that we went into this not having a topic and we're
• 27:57
  getting a food cycle lecture.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: So we always do.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: We often don't necessarily have a topic.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's better than our other possible topic.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: What was that?
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's shaking up D.C.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: and all of journalism.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh!
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Olivia Nipsey.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's fun.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's like inside baseball stuff.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: I was trying to explain to my wife last night.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: She's like vaguely... She remembered...
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the thing.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Even if you don't know the players,
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: even if you don't know any other bit of this story,
• 28:34
  the fact that a very well-known journalist who is getting a lot
• 28:39
  of very exclusive
• 28:40
  scoops turns out that she was banging all of her sources is
• 28:45
  kind of a big deal.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's not good.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's not good.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: She had just,
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: so she,
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: for anyone who,
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: most people know this,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: for anyone who's listening who doesn't,
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: it doesn't remember this.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Olivia Nuzzi was, I'm assuming it's pronounced Nuzzi.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Am I saying that right?
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Z-Z, it's N-U-Z-Z-I.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like it's probably Nuzzi.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: It is now.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: She was a reporter for New York Magazine who did this big,
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: write-up on RFK Jr.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then it turned out that she was engaged to Ryan Liza?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: Liza?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: lizza um and if it turned out that she had been uh gotten into a online
• 29:30
  relationship with rfk jr i don't actually if you read more of
• 29:36
  because i was like
• 29:37
  who why is like what and also cheryl hines i love and i was
• 29:43
  really i was really
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: pissed when i first heard this because i was like open marriage how are
• 29:49
  cheating no no if you read more about it she was sending stuff
• 29:54
  to him but he wasn't
• 29:55
  really reciprocating and she he would be like okay thanks and
• 30:00
  then she'd be like oh
• 30:01
  here's a picture of my nether regions and she chose a weird
• 30:07
  part of her nether
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: regions to text to him
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: It wouldn't be what I wouldn't be what I chose to text.
• 30:14
  But,
• 30:14
  you know,
• 30:16
  but I don't know that he was as active a participant in that.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: It kind of seemed like he was like, OK, thanks.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: It seemed a little honey trappish.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: However, apparently she's going whole hog on some of her other sources.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: I thought you'd like that.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: So,
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: A,
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was unaware that apparently she had started out as many people,
• 30:46
  many attractive young women seem to have amongst Keith
• 30:50
  Olbermann's coterie of young
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: ladies,
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: which...
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: You went there with Laura Ingram.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Also, you're going to hear the sound...
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going for number two.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be very caffeinated today.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: This whole thing came out, this was months ago.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: This was like last year, wasn't it?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: When the RFK Jr.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: her thing blew up.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 31:12
  it was mid-campaign because RFK was kind of working with Trump
• 31:16
  and it blew up and
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: it tanked their engagement.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, she was engaged.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: They had to call off the wedding.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: At the time,
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: Ryan Lizzie,
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: who I don't know that much about,
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: but he never he didn't really comment,
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: especially.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: So she Olivia Nuzzi kind of went away.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: She because obviously she got fired from New York magazine.
• 31:38
  You don't sleep or you don't send lewd messages to the person
• 31:43
  you're writing is
• 31:44
  article about as a journalist especially with eric kennedy like
• 31:47
  come on man uh and
• 31:49
  then she apparently has recently recently gotten a job as the
• 31:54
  west coast editor for
• 31:55
  vanity fair magazine uh and has a book coming out that's about
• 32:00
  about apparently
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: aimed at being about um how hard done by she was by all this um
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh,
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: and Brian Lizza,
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: who again has not really talked about this whole thing,
• 32:13
  apparently realized that she was going to be basically trying
• 32:16
  to blame him for all
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: this.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: So wrote a fascinating Substack piece yesterday.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: That was a short,
• 32:23
  what would describe itself as part one a little short story
• 32:27
  about her coming back
• 32:29
  from a trip uh and uh him finding amongst her things a note she
• 32:36
  had written i
• 32:37
  believe or he had read to mark sanford the former governor of a
• 32:41
  carolina south
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: north i don't remember
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: All I remember is he was hiking the Appalachian Trail.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, who vanished for a while, said he was hiking the Appalachian Trail.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: It turned out that he was in Brazil sleeping with... He's a Republican.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: This was a big deal.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because it was years ago.
• 32:57
  Because it was a Republican,
• 32:59
  nobody cares when Democrats are doing these shady things.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: So in 2020,
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: apparently,
• 33:04
  Livia Knutzi was also having a relationship of some kind with
• 33:11
  Mark Sanford.
• 33:13
  uh and so now this is lit up the internet because it was a
• 33:18
  funny story to the rest
• 33:19
  of us the last time when when it was at the pictures the rfk
• 33:23
  and that was even
• 33:24
  funnier story because this is this woman is just running around
• 33:26
  sleeping with all
• 33:27
  of her sources sleeping with all sleeping with everyone
• 33:30
  everyone's doing profiles
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: on apparently
• 33:34
  Sometimes I get really upset because I'm like,
• 33:36
  oh,
• 33:36
  I wish I was further along in my career.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: I wish I was doing better, all these things.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm like, oh, that's why I'm not.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not every journalist who has success is doing this, I assume.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, no.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: But it's apparently a great cheat code.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Although, you know, until it comes out.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's...
• 33:56
  It's kind of a weird thing to talk about because it's like a
• 33:59
  living meme story.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like, you know, it's incredibly fun to dunk.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: I feel bad for Ryan Lindsay.
• 34:06
  I mean,
• 34:07
  I kind of feel bad for her thinking that you have to do all of
• 34:10
  this.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think she probably has some seriously unresolved father issues,
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: I have to assume,
• 34:15
  because all the men that she's palling around with are way
• 34:18
  older than her.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: She is 32.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking about,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: she's palling around with guys who are,
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: in their 60s and 70s.
• 34:25
  Look,
• 34:25
  I'm not one of them because I'm like a couple months older than
• 34:30
  my husband.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: But some girls just like the older.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like that is what some people are into.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't necessarily mean father issue.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, she's working through some unresolved something.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: Or she just wants power and found a cheat code and is going for it.
• 34:50
  When you make a Faustian bargain,
• 34:53
  eventually the devil comes calling for his due.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it works in other fields, I guess.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Fair for her for bringing it to.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: How many how many reporters and things do you think have done that?
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: How many people in politics do that?
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's really sad and gross.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm glad I'm not in either world.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: for that reason.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because all of these things...
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: When I was a lobbyist,
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: I could tell you a lot of stories of girls that did the same thing.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: All of these things,
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: to a degree,
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: have become infected by the ears...
• 35:27
  One of the ears of finding characteristics of the search for
• 35:30
  personal celebrity.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Which, like, Hollywood always...
• 35:36
  operated on this paradigm um that was like you know that was a
• 35:39
  hollywood was always
• 35:40
  this nasty and centrist place where everyone's sleeping with
• 35:42
  everybody to get jobs
• 35:43
  like that was the the thing with the whole weinstein thing was
• 35:45
  that everyone acted
• 35:46
  shocked but everyone in um uh the hollywood acted shocked you
• 35:50
  know they all knew it
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: because everyone's doing it all the other producers yeah um
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that it used to be that there were notable reporters,
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: there were notable,
• 36:05
  but you were never supposed to be part of the story and you
• 36:10
  were never supposed to
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: be more notable than the stories you were telling.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: And now there's this whole, we're several generations deep.
• 36:17
  I think,
• 36:18
  as with many things,
• 36:19
  I somewhat blame it on Woodward and Bernstein.
• 36:24
  of people who uh feel like they should be named because like
• 36:30
  after Watergate
• 36:30
  Woodward and Bernstein became like you know you would seek them
• 36:33
  out for comment for
• 36:34
  anything to do with politics so it was like you know they were
• 36:36
  the they them being
• 36:39
  in having thoughts on the story became part of the story and
• 36:43
  everyone wanted to
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: have this everyone everyone wanted to be this um
• 36:47
  So I think that now you have the type of celebrity chasing that
• 36:53
  you historically
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: had in Hollywood has now infected our media and our politics to a degree.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Although our politics was always a mess.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: I was going to say, like, this has always been a thing in politics.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly at the top level, the politics was like, you know, look at.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: No, but in the lower levels, it is too.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: People are gross.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so, so glad I don't work in it anymore.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: I remember,
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: I've told you this story before,
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: but I worked for a senator who put a desk for his wife in his office.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: And everyone was like, why do you have a desk for her in there?
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, because I do everything with her.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: She's my best.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: And they really, really are.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: I see them sometimes because they live near me.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: I see them around.
• 37:38
  I saw them at the DMV a little while ago,
• 37:41
  just sitting there paddling around together,
• 37:43
  just
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: doing their errands.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: They do everything together.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone thought this was the weirdest thing.
• 37:49
  And we're like,
• 37:49
  well,
• 37:50
  we don't want to have to have a desk for our wife in the
• 37:52
  office.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that was like...
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: They wanted to bang the assistant or something.
• 37:58
  I tweeted that everybody mocked Pence years ago because Pence,
• 38:03
  he said,
• 38:03
  you know,
• 38:04
  I don't.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he went a little too far with it.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes,
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: but at the same time,
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:09
  because it was in conjunction with Olivia Knutzi having posted
• 38:13
  a thing in 2020 of
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: you know.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm on the campaign trail.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: This policy saved Mike for having to explain a lot of stuff, perhaps.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, not all bad.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: his,
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: I won't have dinner or,
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: be alone with a woman who's not my wife is probably a little far for me.
• 38:32
  I respect it just in that,
• 38:36
  especially if you're a politician,
• 38:37
  you always...
• 38:38
  Yeah.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: Not even going beyond the temptations aspect of it,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: which clearly for him,
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: it's a like,
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: don't open yourself to potential temptations that you don't have to.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, be aware that power corrupts and be aware.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: But remember, Caesar, thou art mortal.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: But also,
• 38:59
  there are always going to be some people who are looking to
• 39:03
  blackmail you,
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: frankly,
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: if you're a notable person.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: And if he can say, look, I was never around this person alone.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: But I would say it's not even blackmailing.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:19
  Like when Luke was in politics,
• 39:22
  I would be really particular about certain things.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like I would always go to a certain conference that he was going to.
• 39:30
  And it had nothing to do with how I felt he was going to behave
• 39:35
  at it or how I
• 39:36
  thought other people like he used to go to libertarian college
• 39:40
  conferences.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that was his job.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: He had to go to those.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: But I would always go with him.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: And part of it,
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: again,
• 39:52
  like it had nothing to do with him or what I thought he was
• 39:55
  going to be doing.
• 39:57
  I would go with him because it just frankly looked better to
• 40:01
  not have any.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, what is he doing afterwards?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: It was like, oh, his wife's here.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: It just looked better for him.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: And it is an image thing.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like I used to have one of my bosses who is absolutely fantastic to me.
• 40:19
  Used to always when we would be meeting,
• 40:22
  we would always leave the door open like just a crack.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: So there was there was never any like weirdness.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: There was never any question.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: And we'd like go out to dinner and things.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't it wasn't.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: overly Mike Pence,
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: but it was just an image thing in the office of,
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: we're meeting and this is a closed meeting,
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: but also,
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: nothing weird's going on.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, power tends to corrupt.
• 40:50
  It's something that both the people who are reporting on power
• 40:54
  should be aware of
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: and the people who are in power should always be aware of.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: But that's a Lord Acton quote, by the way.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Power tends to corrupt.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure nobody's ever heard that quote before.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: If I didn't know Lorna Acton.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's the first time.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: But no,
• 41:13
  but the I think that being is important to be cognizant of that
• 41:18
  fact that I think
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: people are people in this day and age are far too open to the idea that.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: They are a good person.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: Just like, you know, just entirely a good.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: You're looking at me like I'm crazy.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, I just wasn't expecting you to say that.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: No,
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're all like,
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: that's one of the reasons I said,
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: this is a very religious concept,
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: but we're all fallen creatures.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: We're all potentially monsters.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: We're all potentially awful people.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're saying this to an Orthodox person.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm very much like a.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: This is not my problem.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: I have the opposite problem.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: That you are a monster?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm just... That I know I am one, but thanks.
• 42:13
  The no,
• 42:14
  but that's I think that that's Pence's thing was,
• 42:20
  I think,
• 42:20
  very much grounded in that.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: That like, you know, I think I could trust myself.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I can trust myself because I'm a human.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: So this is what I'm doing.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: I can appreciate that.
• 42:30
  I think that more politicians— I appreciate it for the shutdown
• 42:37
  of any talk or anything else.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think that if you—I don't know.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be all feminist-y.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Shots, Courtney.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think that if you are a man and you can't control yourself like that.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: Not about not about not being able to control yourself.
• 42:53
  It's about being open to the possibility that should someone
• 42:58
  throw themselves at
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: you,
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: you may go for it.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: I still think that that is a them problem.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: You are pointlessly being a feminist, and I'm right.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that's fine.
• 43:15
  Okay,
• 43:15
  but you should realize that I'm actually paying you a
• 43:17
  compliment here.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that.
• 43:20
  Because I feel like someone could throw themselves at you and
• 43:23
  you would be like,
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: sorry,
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm married.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a wife guy.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be flattered.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be like, oh, wow, thanks.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: But no, thank you.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: You'd be like, yeah.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: I still got it.
• 43:36
  No,
• 43:36
  but like,
• 43:37
  I mean,
• 43:38
  especially my husband and I both travel a lot for our work.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: And we both had friends.
• 43:46
  positions of power where people were doing stuff like that i
• 43:51
  trust him implicitly
• 43:52
  yes i care about the image so much more than i care about that
• 43:56
  he's gonna throw up
• 43:57
  because i know he wouldn't we you and i went to ireland
• 44:00
  together my my wife did my
• 44:01
  wife does not have any any any inkling in her mind that i would
• 44:05
  have done anything
• 44:05
  with you because i'm i'm i'm a wife guy your husband does not
• 44:09
  have any any inkling
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: what i said you're flattering yourself
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm kidding.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: I was teasing you.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: You randomly tried to insult me for no reason while I'm making a point.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that never happens the other way around.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, but... No, listen, nothing's going to happen.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I understand what you're saying there.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know that there is no circumstance.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: I know that you're not a skis.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: And and I'm sorry,
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think men who are married,
• 44:39
  who find themselves in those positions and sleep with someone
• 44:43
  who isn't their wives
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: are skeezes.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: They should be able to control yourself.
• 44:48
  And I think that if the only thing keeping you in control is
• 44:52
  the fact that you
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: don't put yourself in that position,
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: I don't really think you're a great person.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: I would disagree.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think different people approach things differently.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I can appreciate the choice to approach it from that direction,
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: especially as he is a – in Pence's case,
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: he is a very religious man.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it is also much higher stakes.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's very different.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think –
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't deserve the massive rounds of mockery for it.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, this is I think it was people.
• 45:31
  People may not remember how much people were mocking him for a
• 45:34
  while for this.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, you know, look, this is this is this is what he does.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is how this is how he wants to.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: Good for him.
• 45:41
  You you would probably you'd likely have been mocked last if he
• 45:44
  cheated on his wife.
• 45:47
  Which is a really gross statement in our society,
• 45:51
  and I hate so,
• 45:52
  so much.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: Also feel like maybe men shouldn't be so disgusting in the first place.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm saying, like, not good guys.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of really good guys out there,
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: and maybe I know way too many of them because I'm like,
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: ugh,
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: why do you have to go this far?
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: I suppose.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm paying you a compliment.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Take it.
• 46:18
  you're also staring at your phone are we done we are not done
• 46:23
  my husband is texting
• 46:24
  me trying to find my son's doctor like can you wait a few
• 46:29
  minutes um so yeah olivia
• 46:33
  nootsie talk of the internet everyone's talking about it add to
• 46:35
  that and the major
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: downing of of cloud flare but um
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: Which seems to be resolved for now.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: It'll be interesting to see what happened with that.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know that we're going to get a lot of information.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: They never get information.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they do.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but... Twitter, Elon will give some information.
• 46:59
  I have to assume that this was a hack or DDoS thing or
• 47:02
  something because it just
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: suddenly clans shut like that.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Which, again, ironic because Cloudflare is what protects you from those.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: Just crazy.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: I saw the thing.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody said that when Amazon Web Services goes down, we all laugh.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: Which, by the way, is every other week.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: When Amazon Web Services goes down, we all laugh.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: When...
• 47:30
  When Cloudflare goes down,
• 47:31
  none of us laughs we can't because we're laughing on
• 47:33
  Cloudflare.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, basically.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Cloudflare keeps the internet going.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's wild that we don't have another, like, version of Cloudflare.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think...
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: An argument for something like Cloudflare perhaps being...
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to come off commie here,
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: but I'm just floating in the thought.
• 47:55
  I could see a valid argument for something like Cloudflare
• 47:58
  being nationalized.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: That kind of job being... Because it is...
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: The ability to operate on the Internet is a bedrock at this point.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's a national security.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: It is national security.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, yes, I'm not kidding.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's a national security.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like the entire economic structure is built around it.
• 48:23
  And I think it has debatably come to the point where it is
• 48:27
  vital to the national
• 48:28
  interest enough where there should be congressional oversight
• 48:31
  at the least.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: But every time I'm sure that later today.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth Warren will be out there saying we need to have a congressional
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: investigation into this because they always do this.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we also should when we're looking at things like AI, but...
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's never going to happen.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: but that's,
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think there is something to be said for the government,
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: for things that are clearly vitally national skill.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's,
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of people on the right are very unhappy with Trump's whole,
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to take chunks of,
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to take chunks of like U.S.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: steel.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to take chunk of, we're going to take a chunk of intel.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually not that upset about these things because like I said,
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think he isn't seizing the property.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: It isn't socialism exactly, but it's a basically,
• 49:16
  We acknowledge that these are vital to the national interest
• 49:19
  and the government
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: must have a say in how they are operated.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that is a reasonable stance to have.
• 49:27
  I am,
• 49:28
  for a conservative,
• 49:29
  not as skeptical of the use of government power as many are.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think the government should be taken.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that,
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: but I think that the private sector should be the,
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: but at the same time,
• 49:42
  I do think that there are areas where that are of vital
• 49:46
  importance enough that we,
• 49:49
  the collective people through our representatives in the
• 49:52
  government should have
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: some sway.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: To people listening to this, I will probably take flack of this.
• 50:02
  I know a lot of people really hate Trump taking 10% of intel
• 50:05
  and 10% of U.S.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: steel, but I legitimately don't have a problem with these.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: I am a firm, committed anti-communist, firm, committed anti-socialist.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's literally Atlas Shrugged.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: What's that?
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's literally Atlas Shrugged.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: No!
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, sort of, but no.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: I would disagree.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, but sort of.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: Also...
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: Ayn Rand was insane and her concepts went far too far.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: She also was a horrible person who had no ethical.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: It turns out being an atheist isn't great for your ethics.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: Her great gift was writing compelling antagonists.
• 50:49
  That was the antagonists in Atlas Shrugged and in The
• 50:56
  Fountainhead are very
• 50:59
  compelling and their points are like they're clearly evil and
• 51:03
  their points are
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: awful.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time,
• 51:05
  you can see the internal logic and how they're arriving at
• 51:08
  those and what they
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_00: believe,
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: which is something a lot of people struggle with.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people have trouble coming up with antagonists that are
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: uh, that aren't just, I'm doing this because I'm evil.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, you know, they, they sort of the Eldrith too.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: He in the fountainhead sort of is doing it because he's evil because he,
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: he hates,
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: he hates,
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: um,
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: Howard Rourke and he hates everything he represents.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, he hates them for a somewhat valid to him reason.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's not just, haha, I'm furling my mustache because I'm the bad guy.
• 51:45
  As a drive-it-all home to the love of my great state,
• 51:51
  where do they all flee?
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_02: To Galt's Gulch.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: Galt's Gulch in Colorado, it's true.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: But that's because they needed the mountains.
• 52:00
  Much like the man in the high castle,
• 52:04
  the rebels also started their uprising in Colorado.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: In both cases,
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: that's because the Rockies are basically a place where you could build a
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: Switzerland.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, someday it's going to happen.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: And all the Californians will have to scurry their way back.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're going to glass you.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're super close to within Cheyenne Mountains right there, isn't it?
• 52:32
  So Cheyenne Mountains in Colorado Springs,
• 52:35
  that's about two and a half hours away.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_02: I am not...
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like,
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_02: we would have to stay inside and put the towels under the...
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_02: I have a lot of iodine at home.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_02: I have iodine pills ready to go.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of weird, I'm going to be honest, but okay.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: Shine.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: Ryan Mountain is not a huge threat in my mind.
• 52:57
  The bigger threat is the fact that northern Colorado and
• 53:01
  southern Wyoming are home
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_02: to all of our missile defense systems.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the Great Plains region.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think also Nebraska and the Dakotas have a decent number as well.
• 53:11
  Yeah,
• 53:11
  but it's actually mostly like there's missile silos that are
• 53:15
  still active.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: Actually –
• 53:17
  When you come out here,
• 53:18
  because I'm making you,
• 53:20
  I can take you to the Missile State Park.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: Can you go down into the silos?
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's one in Wyoming you can go into.
• 53:29
  Every once in a while,
• 53:30
  I'll see online things where you can buy a missile silo and
• 53:33
  live in it.
• 53:34
  People have bought a missile silo and turned it into a,
• 53:37
  which sounds so cool.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of weird, but also cool.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, there's lots of them.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not actually a prepper.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have, like, I don't know.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a horrible prepper, but I do have lots of iodine pills.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't own guns.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't own iodine, but I don't own buckets of dried food just in case.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, some of those of mine were lost in a tragic boating accident.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure they were.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's real shame about that boat.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: I used to.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: This is a bit from long, long ago, long years ago.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: When I first started on Twitter,
• 54:17
  I used to have a running thing where I claimed I had a giant
• 54:22
  supply of spam and
• 54:25
  powdered tang that I was going to use to weather me through the
• 54:30
  apocalypse.
• 54:32
  We actually did have a giant supply of Spam,
• 54:35
  but my son loves Spam and we ate through it.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: Spam is unironically good.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: I need to actually buy Spam.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, I love Spam.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: My wife will not eat Spam.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure she's ever had Spam.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_02: I have Spam recipes on my website.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: I need to actually buy Spam and make her eat Spam.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure Max Miller did a thing about Spam at one point.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: And not just for Misubi, which I do love.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what Misubi is.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the sushi that they put in Spam.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, in Hawaii.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: The weird Hawaii Spam dishes.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I mean, Spam is like Hawaii's state dish.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's because of World War II.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: We were just shipping pallets of Spam over there during World War II.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's cheap.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_02: It lasts forever.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_02: Food is so expensive in Hawaii.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_02: I can see why Spam is really popular.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: Everything is expensive in Hawaii.
• 55:27
  When you have to ship,
• 55:28
  literally,
• 55:30
  they can't grow anything but pineapples.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: You can't live on pineapple.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_02: And sugar.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: And sugar.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was... Hey, and fish.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: Hawaii exists because of the United Fruit Company.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was United Fruit, wasn't it?
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: That more or less wrenched it from the monarchy.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why it's an American state now.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_02: From King Kamehameha.
• 55:57
  you know that the first statue that they have so in washington
• 56:00
  dc when you're there
• 56:01
  every state gets a statue um and king kamehameha the first
• 56:06
  statue was headed over
• 56:08
  onto a boat to go to washington dc and the boat sank so they
• 56:12
  had to make a
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: symbolism there his statue is ginormous too um and i
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: Why can't I think of the guy, the name of Colorado's?
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: I always see him at DIA.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: We have a replica at the B. Lucifer?
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_02: Terminal gates.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_02: Inside.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: I can't think of his name.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_02: He was a congressman elect.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: He was an astronaut and he died right before he got to serve his term.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know who that would be.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my gosh.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm going to have to pull it up.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: Talk for a moment.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: You guys out West have a whole bunch of B-level astronauts.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: None of the really good ones.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like it's Jack Swigert, I want to say is his name.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I remember him.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to double check this, but I feel like it's Swigert.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_00: Out West has like a bunch of B-level astronauts.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: Not the good ones like Ohio got,
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: but like a whole bunch of second string astronauts from the later years.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_02: He died the year that I was born.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: He was elected to Congress and didn't get to serve.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, where's Buzz Aldrin from?
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: Probably Ohio.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, but no, I think Kansas.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: You're thinking Kansas.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know what Kansas' state motto is?
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: Ad Astra Perispera.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty good.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's a pretty good state motto.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because they have so many astronauts.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking John Glenn.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: Neil Armstrong was from Ohio, I think.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, but there's a lot of astronauts from Kansas.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: Pull it up.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_02: You'll be like, oh, okay.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_02: I see why it's their state motto.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's so flat.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can see the stars.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's not a lot of cities.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: There's four people.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_00: Under the dome of the sky.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's so boring.
• 58:05
  Your outlook on Earth has to be so awful that you want to get
• 58:09
  the hell away from Kansas.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: That roundabout reminds me.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was discussing with a Twitter mutual of ours the other day.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: She's from St.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: Louis.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I managed to not bring up a joke that I really like about St.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: Louis.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: The most notable thing about St.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: Louis is the St.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: Louis art.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, I told people trying to leave St.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: Louis.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think she'll listen to this.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_02: She doesn't even know this exists.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_00: I just always liked that joke.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: You actually should say that one.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_02: She would laugh.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: The most notable thing is all the people trying to get the hell out.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: She has a good sense of humor.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're good.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_00: We've rambled enough.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_02: Before we stop,
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: though,
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: we did a Twitter space last week,
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_02: which are kind of silly,
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_02: but they're fun little kind of live versions of this.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to try to do more of those.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_00: We'll possibly do one on Friday.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're tentatively planning to.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_02: So long as I don't die in an avalanche.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: No promises.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_02: But no, we should commit to doing those more often.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_02: They're really fun.
• 59:21
  And if you listen to us here,
• 59:24
  look to Lee's Twitter feed and we will announce it there.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_02: Bye-bye.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.