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Sex-mad female prison guard BUSTED in raunchy romps with killer inmate · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I hope you're sitting down.
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Speaker 1: Here is the question, how does a thirty two year old,
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Speaker 1: gorgeous female prison guard digress into a sex relationship with
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Speaker 1: a quote depraved double murderer. There's so many layers to that,
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Speaker 1: and then I hardly know where to start, So I'll
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Speaker 1: just start with a butcher knife like I do in
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Speaker 1: the kitchen. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Tyler Hunt a crime online. Lauren
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Speaker 1: McIntyre is a thirty two year old mother of three,
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Speaker 1: two four month old twins and a five year old.
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Speaker 1: She's also an avid runner, which helps her stay fit
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Speaker 1: for her physically demanding job. She supports her family as
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Speaker 1: a prison guard at a men's facility that houses around
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Speaker 1: a thousand inmates. Records show that ninety eight percent of
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Speaker 1: prisoners held there are sex offenders. Wow, what a bunch.
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Speaker 1: And I thought I had it bad when I go
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Speaker 1: into the courthouse full of defendant's waiting for trial. Ninety
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Speaker 1: eight percent of the people of the one thousand inmates
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Speaker 1: are sex offenders. Again, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. Let me introduce to you
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Speaker 1: an all star panel. First of all judge and trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Court TV anchor Ashley Wilcot at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
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Speaker 1: Renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta area. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold at Angela Arnold MD dot com, Former turned
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Speaker 1: PI Robert Crispin Crispin's Special Investigations at Crispin's Investigations dot com.
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Speaker 1: Special guests joining us today. Percy Pitzer, Federal Awarden, thirty
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Speaker 1: year career in corrections at CCEF Scholarships dot org. But
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Speaker 1: first to Rate Caputo joining US Lead news anchor w
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Speaker 1: DBO Rate. It's really hard for me to take it in,
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Speaker 1: especially as I am a mother of twins, and I
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Speaker 1: can't think of anything I would willingly do to jeopardize
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Speaker 1: my one hundred percent custody of the twins, Because if
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Speaker 1: I started an affair that ended my marriage. You know,
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Speaker 1: my husband David, he wouldn't be happy with weekend visits
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Speaker 1: with John David and Lucy O H E L L
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Speaker 1: n oh. He would at least want fifty percent of
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Speaker 1: the time, and I would at least want fifty percent
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Speaker 1: of the time. That be the war between the gods.
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Speaker 1: So let's just don't even go there, all right, Why
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Speaker 1: would this woman jeopardize alife with her children? I don't
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Speaker 1: understand that. Just you know what, Ray started at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: what happened or this happened to the Isle of Wight.
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Speaker 1: It's to prison, and what happened was there was a
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Speaker 1: prison guard named Warden MacIntyre, and at some point she
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Speaker 1: starts to get a little close after an investigation to
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Speaker 1: one of the inmates. There a guy named Andrew Roberts.
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Speaker 1: How do you quote get a little close to a
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Speaker 1: depraved double killer depraved their words, not mine, and quote
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Speaker 1: sanction him to beat up her fellow officer while he's
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Speaker 1: serving two life prison sentences for strangling his girlfriend and
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Speaker 1: her eight month old daughter. I mean, white a minute,
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Speaker 1: waite a minute, Ray Kaputo. I thought I needed to
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Speaker 1: go to you first to get some more facts. But
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Speaker 1: right there, I know it. You know it. Everybody in
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Speaker 1: the studio knows it. I need a shrink and pronto,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold. Why would you risk fifty percent custody
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Speaker 1: of your children to have sex with a depraved killer?
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Speaker 1: My god, Nancy, why would you work at a place
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Speaker 1: like that? But hey, hey, hey, Hey, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: little lady. I've been in many a jail and worked
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Speaker 1: with depraved killers trying to put him in jail my
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Speaker 1: whole legal career. Why would you work there? A, it's
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Speaker 1: a job. B. Maybe you like making sure people stay
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Speaker 1: in jail. I do. So you know what I'm talking about?
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Speaker 1: Is I mean you could say that about any lady. Cop.
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Speaker 1: You know what that's sextist, doctor Angela Arnold? You know
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Speaker 1: what meansy. The reason I say that is because, first,
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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think about what is behind what
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Speaker 1: was this woman thinking before she even are doing any
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Speaker 1: of this? Okay, and there are there are lots of
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Speaker 1: places where you can work, but she especially put herself
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Speaker 1: in a place where ninety nine percent of the people
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Speaker 1: are sex offenders. Yes, she did. So I'm wondering. I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering what in the in the very first place, what
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Speaker 1: possessed her to go work in a place like that. Now,
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Speaker 1: I believe that the reason that she's able to do
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Speaker 1: something like this and go work in a place like this,
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Speaker 1: she she is personality disordered. Okay, Okay, so you're basing
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Speaker 1: that on basically nothing. No, No, I'm basing it on
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Speaker 1: what she did while she was at the facility. Well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, hold hold on, Ashley Wilcott, judge, trial
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Speaker 1: lawyer anchor at Court TV. That argument that doctor Angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold just made. Now, granted, she's a psychiatrist, we're just
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, she's an m D. We're just JD's right,
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Speaker 1: But that argument could be made about anybody that has
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Speaker 1: an affair in their marriage, which is at least half
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Speaker 1: the people in America. Okay, divorces. It doesn't even have
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Speaker 1: to be an affair. We've got about a fifty plus
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Speaker 1: percent divorce rate, right, So somebody does something in that
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Speaker 1: relationship that brings on a divorce, regardless of what it is.
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Speaker 1: So with Angela Arnold's reasoning, everybody that slips up in
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Speaker 1: the marriage is mentally unstable. And I don't believe that.
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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that either, because listen, everybody is
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Speaker 1: going to make a mistake, everybody's gonna sin, everybody's gonna
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Speaker 1: do something they shouldn't in a marriage. That's gonna happen
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Speaker 1: at some point, whether it's you know, my husband screaming
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Speaker 1: at me because I may have accidentally liked my keys
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Speaker 1: in the car, or whether it's something more egregious, like
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Speaker 1: an affair, whatever it is. Well, Also though Ashley Ashley
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Speaker 1: one time locking your keys in your car, or maybe
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Speaker 1: all the time, I knew mister glasses glass phone number
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Speaker 1: by heart. In law school, I was always carrying so
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Speaker 1: many books and so much stuff and my keys at all.
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Speaker 1: I did it many times. I knew either number my heart.
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Speaker 1: That was before cell phones too. I had to go
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Speaker 1: find a phone or whatever phone to call mister Glass
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Speaker 1: or doctor Glass or whoever he was so making a mistake.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot different than let me just say, my
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Speaker 1: first choice of awards is not allowed a sex affair
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Speaker 1: with that conveyed and killer and you did it over
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Speaker 1: and over and over again. That's not a slip up.
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Speaker 1: Huh No, it's very different. But I'm just saying in
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Speaker 1: marriages there can always be things that cause problems and
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Speaker 1: lead to divorces. This is very different to your points.
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Speaker 1: This is very different. But I also have to comment
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Speaker 1: on where she works. You know, people have to work
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Speaker 1: to pay bill and in some community and Arnold and
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Speaker 1: everybody has a nice cushy office with a sofa in it.
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Speaker 1: Like you, some of us have to go with the
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Speaker 1: courtroom with defendants and argue with them and fight with them.
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Speaker 1: Some of us have to go to the jail, and
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Speaker 1: everybody has a good arnold hand, Nancy, I've been in
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Speaker 1: all of those places also, I know, you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure all of us have. And I just to my
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Speaker 1: point though some of these communities, the jail may be
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Speaker 1: the only place that offers a job that may be
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Speaker 1: enough pay and benefits, but that does not at all
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Speaker 1: excuse condon or make any sense. That was someone who
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Speaker 1: chooses to have a sexual relationship with someone convicted of
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Speaker 1: the crime Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
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Speaker 1: talking about a stunning turn of events at a high
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Speaker 1: security lock up where ninety eight percent of the purpose
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Speaker 1: within that facility or registered sex offenders. How does this woman,
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Speaker 1: this gorgeous woman, a mom of three, including young twins,
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Speaker 1: embark on a sex relationship with a convicted double killer?
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Speaker 1: You know? Back to you, Leading news anchor W dbo
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Speaker 1: Ray Computo joining us. Ray. Sorry, as much as I
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Speaker 1: want to hear the facts, I had to hear from
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Speaker 1: a shrink because I'm having a hard time figuring out
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Speaker 1: how you would jeopardize your life with your family to
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Speaker 1: have sex with a double killer. But Ray, let's go
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Speaker 1: back to the actual facts you said. They formed a relationship. Hey,
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Speaker 1: before you kick it off, Ray Computo, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Tyler Hunt a crime online. McIntyre formed a relationship
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Speaker 1: with Andrew Roberts after she was assigned to be his
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Speaker 1: key worker. She claims she started a rapport with the
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Speaker 1: convicted murder in a bid to uncover intel on what
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Speaker 1: was going on inside the prison, but that spiraled out
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Speaker 1: of control pretty quickly. First, McIntyre did not reveal to
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Speaker 1: her superiors that Roberts had an illegal cell phone. She
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Speaker 1: gave him her number and sent him a photo of herself.
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Speaker 1: The prison guard claimed it was so she could pass
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Speaker 1: a test and show that she could be trusted. Then
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Speaker 1: the pair began regularly exchanging text messages. One message read
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Speaker 1: today was real hot and risky, but I'm so needing
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Speaker 1: you another message. I still keep remembering the first time
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Speaker 1: you kissed me. A physical relationship began soon after. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm just letting that soak in. I still remember the
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Speaker 1: first time you kissed me. Okay to Percy pittsor our
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Speaker 1: Special Guests joining us. He has a thirty year career
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Speaker 1: and the Corrections Facilities business found her Creative Corrections Education Foundation. Percy,
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Speaker 1: how is it that a this happened? I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: I know even in our little Methodist church, before you
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Speaker 1: become a Methodist pastor, you have to pass a psychological exam,
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Speaker 1: which is why people like Jim Jones mcguianna got kicked
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Speaker 1: out couldn't join the Brethren. Uh. My point is, don't
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Speaker 1: you have to take an exam with some sort before
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Speaker 1: you become a prison warden? And shouldn't somebody have noticed
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Speaker 1: what was going on? Percy? Well, it happens. This is
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Speaker 1: all right, all of your information, but it happens. Is um,
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Speaker 1: you know, it made bumper stickers. It says that minus
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Speaker 1: the sh at the beginning. I didn't really see that
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Speaker 1: as an explanation of how it happened. Well, I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying that it's an excuse. For example, I was walking
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Speaker 1: down the quarter one day. I see this female conversion
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Speaker 1: with us in me and that's not unusual, but something
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Speaker 1: triggered me. So I call that lady into the office
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Speaker 1: and she confessed to have a relationship with us in me.
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Speaker 1: And my question to her was why. She said, well,
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Speaker 1: I want to go home. My husband's mean to me.
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Speaker 1: When I come to the prison, all he inmates treat
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Speaker 1: me nice. Now is that an excuse? Certainly, not a
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Speaker 1: ballid excuse. But this in may target at this woman
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Speaker 1: by saying that, you know, I have information, whether it's
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Speaker 1: maybe on an escape plot or introduction to contraband, but
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Speaker 1: you are the only one that I trust. And it
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Speaker 1: goes on from there. And then when he accomplishes what
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Speaker 1: he wants to accomplish, then he's so proudly. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's got a trophy, so he's got to tell somebody,
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Speaker 1: and then that somebody will tell somebody else, who will
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Speaker 1: tell somebody else, or someone will report it to the administration.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this lady is guilty, with no question about it.
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Speaker 1: But you know, some of these inmates are pretty good
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Speaker 1: at manipulation. I mean, that's why they're in prison. I'm
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Speaker 1: also curious as to how this went on for months
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Speaker 1: and months and months without anyone detecting At Percy. It
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Speaker 1: pitts her with Creative Corrections Education Foundation, thirty years in
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Speaker 1: the corrections business. How do they pull that off? Well,
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Speaker 1: he probably kept it to himself for a while, and
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Speaker 1: then it got deeper and deeper, and he was so
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Speaker 1: proud of himself that he just kind of put the
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Speaker 1: word out to somebody else. And they always get caught,
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Speaker 1: whether it's a week, a month, or six months. I mean,
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Speaker 1: someone eventually tells on them. You know, I really believe
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Speaker 1: that she should not be treated any differently than a
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Speaker 1: male prison guard who has sex with the female inmates,
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Speaker 1: which is a crime. I might add back to you,
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Speaker 1: Ray kimpud wdbo. How long did this go on and
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Speaker 1: how did they manage to pull it off? Went on
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Speaker 1: for about four months and and you just heard it there.
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Speaker 1: I mean you got a cell phone. They're sneaking around.
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Speaker 1: They're trying to keep the relationship under wraps. But in
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Speaker 1: a jail, in a monitor environment like that, there's only
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Speaker 1: so long that that can happen. But long story short,
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Speaker 1: as they were both you know, creeping around, they were
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Speaker 1: being secretive about this undercover relationship. I don't get how
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Speaker 1: much they can really creep. There are no walls, you
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Speaker 1: know on TV where you see those jail bars. That's real.
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Speaker 1: I mean you can see into the sale. How in
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Speaker 1: the world and they manage to have an elicit sex
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Speaker 1: affair and behind bars just bars. I've never been to jail, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and I don't plan on ever going to jail. But
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Speaker 1: you know, when you got enough time on your hands,
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Speaker 1: people make this happen. I mean, it's difficult that it
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Speaker 1: is to do things like this in jail. People still
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Speaker 1: manage to do it all around the world. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: matter what jail you're in. Guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: a young woman who is a prison guard who has
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Speaker 1: elicits X affair with a double killer. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at crime online dot com. Andrew Roberts
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Speaker 1: is a convicted killer found guilty of the deaths of
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Speaker 1: his wife, Louise Lum and eight month old daughter Tea
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Speaker 1: at their home. Roberts was just twenty two at the
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Speaker 1: time he strangled both while high on a cocktail of
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Speaker 1: drink and drugs. Roberts sprayed the victim's bodies with perfume
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Speaker 1: and aftershave to mask the smell, and then left the
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Speaker 1: residence to carry on partying. Authorities captured him five days later.
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Speaker 1: He was sentenced to two life terms. Robert Crispin, former
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Speaker 1: cop turned PI Crispin's Special Investigations. You can find him
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Speaker 1: at Crispin's Investigations dot com Robert. Murder is bad enough,
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Speaker 1: but of your young wife and the baby girl. Then
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Speaker 1: to just add insult to injury, thinking to spray perfume
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Speaker 1: aftershave over their bodies so the stitch of their d
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Speaker 1: comp wouldn't tip people off a murder had taken place.
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Speaker 1: That is depraved. That's just craziness. That's just behavior of
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Speaker 1: someone who's not thinking straight, who fills his wife because
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Speaker 1: he's high as can be, and at the last minute
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Speaker 1: may think, how am I going to conceal this. Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, there's going to be an odor. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to douse these bodies with some perfume. These people aren't
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Speaker 1: thinking straight. These cocktails of drugs put you in a
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Speaker 1: completely different hemisphere when it comes to behavior. To be
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Speaker 1: able to kill your wife and your daughter is beyond comprehension.
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Speaker 1: But that's what these drugs do. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: this young woman, Lauren McIntyre, just thirty two years old,
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Speaker 1: now charged with felonies for a sex relationship with a
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Speaker 1: double killer behind bars. You know, doctor Angela Arnold's psychiatrists
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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. One thing that
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Speaker 1: I repeated at the beginning is that she Lauren McIntyre
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Speaker 1: is beautiful. Now that you know, Lady Justice is blindfold
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Speaker 1: for a reason. Yes, doesn't matter what you look like,
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Speaker 1: where you're from, your ethnicity, your religion, your race, your gender, old, young,
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Speaker 1: It does not matter to Lady Justice. But many people
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Speaker 1: marvel at why a beautiful, physically beautiful, with the stereotypical
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Speaker 1: ideal of beauty woman would be with a guy serving
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Speaker 1: two life terms for murdering an infant girl and a
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Speaker 1: defenseless woman. I mean why, I mean she could have
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Speaker 1: had anybody with her looks. Why him? Well, apparently she
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Speaker 1: did have somebody because she was married, right, Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: she had a husband, she was having children. I am
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Speaker 1: quite sure she was manipulated by this killer. Oh there's
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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Well, who's saying there's no doubt
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Speaker 1: about it? Who is that? Percy Fitzer? You know how
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Speaker 1: I feel about you and all of your experience. But
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Speaker 1: she's the one with the duty. It's like she's the
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Speaker 1: adult in the relationship. You could argue sex victims manipulate
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Speaker 1: the rapist into attacking them because they wore a short
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Speaker 1: skirt or they wore a low cut blouse. She had
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Speaker 1: the dub not to do this. There's no excuse for
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Speaker 1: what she did. But I'm saying that some of these
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Speaker 1: inmates are very good at manipulation. I'm sure they all are.
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Speaker 1: They all are because that's what they're in there for.
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Speaker 1: You know, Ashley will call you're a judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: anchor court TV. Pitzer is right. Defendants can be very manipulative. Now,
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Speaker 1: I think I've told you this story before, Ashley, so
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Speaker 1: I'll try to be brief. I got assigned to a courtroom.
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Speaker 1: It was it was the busiest trial court in the courthouse.
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Speaker 1: They tried more cases per year than any other courtroom
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Speaker 1: because of the judge who loved being on trial. So
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Speaker 1: when you get assigned there, show up in your combat
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Speaker 1: gear because you're gonna be on trial every other week.
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Speaker 1: Bam into story. Well I showed up new in the courtroom,
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Speaker 1: and the defendants and a plea calendar saw that I
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Speaker 1: was wearing a cross. Let's just say you have a
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Speaker 1: trial calendar on Monday. On Thursday, you have a plea
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Speaker 1: and arrayment calendar for anybody you're going to plead out
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Speaker 1: the next week pleading arrayment. I would say seven or
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Speaker 1: eight inmates showed back up in the courtroom with giant
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Speaker 1: woven crosses made out of knitting thread, giant like this big,
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Speaker 1: and they'd come in at that time. I would have
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Speaker 1: the negotiations with my investigator, plus the defendant himself and
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Speaker 1: his lawyer would sit down, I'd read the file. I'd
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Speaker 1: give him an offer, take it, leave it, go to trial,
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Speaker 1: your pick. They all paraded in wearing giant crosses they
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Speaker 1: had woven basically overnight out of thread to try to
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Speaker 1: get to me and manipulate me. The first one that
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Speaker 1: came in, it did get to me a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, maybe he's remorseful. The second
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Speaker 1: one that came in, I knew they had targeted me
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Speaker 1: to manipulate me. It didn't take me that long. Ashley,
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Speaker 1: you deal with convicts all the time, as have I
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Speaker 1: weigh in a manipulation. Well, yeah, they can manipulate, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: That's how they've gotten to where they are sometimes. But
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Speaker 1: I have to say this, yeah, he's manipulative. Yes, she
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Speaker 1: may have been manipulated, but to the extent that she
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Speaker 1: was manipulated is hard for me to fathom. I just
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Speaker 1: can't understand. Remember, Nancy, this man has been convicted of
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Speaker 1: brutal crime. And she is a mother, she's a mother
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Speaker 1: of children, and yet she ends up having to a
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Speaker 1: sexual relationship with a man who killed his own child.
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Speaker 1: That's past manipulation. That is that is something that even
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Speaker 1: though you're dealing with somebody who's exceedingly manipulated, is you
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Speaker 1: should you should know better a notice, stop and not
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Speaker 1: do it in the first place. It's beyond my I
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Speaker 1: can't fathom it. I just can't. You know. Another issue,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure exactly what they're talking about, but
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Speaker 1: I think I know according to all the accounts, right Kiputo,
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Speaker 1: everything our investigators have learned, she was specifically trained, so
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Speaker 1: this wouldn't happen right specifically. But also, you know, one
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Speaker 1: thing I think we're missing here is what was going
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Speaker 1: on in this woman's wife at the time that this
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Speaker 1: was happening. Now, why do you care? Do you ask
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Speaker 1: that when a man raped a woman, jee, I wonder
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Speaker 1: if he was sad that day? Don't care? Why don't care?
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Speaker 1: There's an important fact we haven't mentioned, Okay, don't trust me?
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Speaker 1: Something important. There's a reason she was having sex with
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Speaker 1: a double killer. Can't wait to hear this go ahead.
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Speaker 1: She was having an affair previously with another prison guard,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know how that ended, but clearly there
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Speaker 1: was some animosity because part of her relationship with this
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Speaker 1: inmate was was getting him to beat up the the
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Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, the ex prison guard boyfriend. So to me,
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Speaker 1: there's some animosity at all this and maybe that she
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Speaker 1: was she embarked on this affair simply to make this
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Speaker 1: other guy jealous. Okay, tell me the whole thing. I
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Speaker 1: know that she convinced the inmate that she's having sex
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Speaker 1: with named Andrew Roberts to beat up another prison guard.
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Speaker 1: Tell me the whole thing with me, Ray kimputer WDBA,
23:20
Speaker 1: go ahead. Ray. Well, there was a cell phone that
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Speaker 1: the inmate had had which was illegal, and McIntire knew
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Speaker 1: about it. So as they're exchanging these text messages, she
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Speaker 1: learns and I don't know her role as she encouraged this,
23:32
Speaker 1: but she learned that the inmate lover was going to
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Speaker 1: attack the fellow prison guard and she did absolutely nothing
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Speaker 1: about it, and sure enough that happened. The prison guard
23:40
Speaker 1: got injured, suffered a head injury. And you know, obviously
23:44
Speaker 1: after the fact, we learned about the plot which was
23:46
Speaker 1: part of the reason she got in trouble. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: she seemed to know about it and had no problem
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Speaker 1: with this cold blooded killer attacking a guy that she
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Speaker 1: formerly had a relationship with. Guys, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com and tire gave
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Speaker 1: Roberts the phone number of a fellow prison officer, Samuel Laidler,
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Speaker 1: whom she had previously been involved with. The pair intended
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Speaker 1: to set Laidler up as the corrupt officer on the
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Speaker 1: Wing Report show. McIntyre knew Roberts was planning to physically
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Speaker 1: assault Laidler, but did not warn her fellow officer of
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Speaker 1: imminent danger. Laidler was knocked unconscious in the attack and
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Speaker 1: suffered severe head injuries. So everything you're saying is absolutely correct.
24:25
Speaker 1: Not only attacking the other prison guard but setting him
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Speaker 1: up as being a bad or dirty prison guard, not
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Speaker 1: only attacking him but ruining his reputation and career. Do
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Speaker 1: I have that right, Rakiputo? Yeah, you absolutely do it.
24:43
Speaker 1: It's pretty diabolical, Nancy. Doesn't matter if you're a prison
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Speaker 1: guard or somebody on the outside, getting someone to beat
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Speaker 1: up your axes is not a good look. I mean,
24:52
Speaker 1: but not only that to doctor Angela Arnold, It's one
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Speaker 1: thing to take a knock on the head and pass
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Speaker 1: out with a concussion way up, it said another thing
25:01
Speaker 1: when you wake up and your career is in shreds
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Speaker 1: and your reputation has been ruined because you've been set
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Speaker 1: up to look like the bad guy, the bad cop,
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Speaker 1: the bad prison guard. Did you hear what uh Tyler
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Speaker 1: Hunt just said when he was reporting that they intended
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Speaker 1: to set up Laidler as he corrupt officer on the wing.
25:27
Speaker 1: So who's the manipulator? Right? I mean this woman, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: That's why I said what I did at the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: What I am wondering why she chose a place like
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Speaker 1: this to work. I do believe that there is that
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Speaker 1: there is some very deep seated personality disorder that may
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Speaker 1: be true, doctor Angela, But having a personality disorder such
25:53
Speaker 1: as I'm narcissistic agoraphobe, that does not rise too insanity.
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Speaker 1: I mean, as she will cut back me up. In
26:06
Speaker 1: our jurisprudence, which is common law, which was brought over
26:10
Speaker 1: from Great Britain, and we took some of their law
26:13
Speaker 1: to establish our law, we go by the old McNaughton rule.
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Speaker 1: Which is insanity, is whether you know right from wrong
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Speaker 1: at the time of the incident. The fact that she
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Speaker 1: was hiding and covering up the sex relationship show she
26:26
Speaker 1: knows it was wrong. Oh, I absolutely agree. That is
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Speaker 1: the definition by law. And again we talked about this
26:31
Speaker 1: on another show. It is exactly at the time that
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Speaker 1: it's occurring. It can be a foot second, just at
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Speaker 1: that moment, and so I agree with you that's evidence
26:39
Speaker 1: that she in fact knew exactly what she was doing
26:43
Speaker 1: from wrong. I see no evidence in any of the
26:45
Speaker 1: information that I've read or reviewed or seeing orban told
26:49
Speaker 1: that she at all, at any point in time didn't
26:53
Speaker 1: know right from wrong. Rather, she's made a conscious choice.
27:10
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Guys a prison officer jailed
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Speaker 1: after a fair and affair with a killer who murdered
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Speaker 1: their partner and baby daughter. But the twist here is
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Speaker 1: the prison guard official is a woman, a thirty two
27:28
Speaker 1: year old beauty with three children and a husband waiting
27:33
Speaker 1: for her at home. And it gets worse. She reportedly
27:37
Speaker 1: tried to get the inmates she was sleeping with to
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Speaker 1: help her set up another prison guard to make him
27:43
Speaker 1: look like the quote corrupt officer on the wing with
27:47
Speaker 1: me Special guest Percy Pitzer retired federal ward, thirty years
27:52
Speaker 1: in corrections, founder of Created Corrections Education Foundation. Percy What
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Speaker 1: does that mean to be? I know what it means
28:00
Speaker 1: to be a bad cop. It can mean any number
28:03
Speaker 1: of things. But what is a corrupt prison guard? But
28:07
Speaker 1: what's an example a corrupt prison guard? You're not out
28:10
Speaker 1: on the streets as planning dope or paying off snitches
28:15
Speaker 1: or what's a corrupt prison guard? Well, again, I mean
28:20
Speaker 1: it's through manipulation. I had a case one time where
28:25
Speaker 1: an innimy come to me and said so and so's
28:27
Speaker 1: bringing him comfort bad And I knew so and so,
28:31
Speaker 1: and I no way in the world would I think
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Speaker 1: this person would do that, And so jokingly I told
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Speaker 1: the enimate, I said, we'll bring me a big mac
28:41
Speaker 1: and then order of frize and forgot about it. Two
28:44
Speaker 1: days later he comes in ladies, a big mac and
28:47
Speaker 1: the order of prize of my death. So, I mean,
28:51
Speaker 1: and I don't agree with the lady that said, what
28:53
Speaker 1: does that had to do with big corrupt? Where's the
28:55
Speaker 1: big macfin into the scenario? Well, because the officer was
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Speaker 1: in fact an in contraband oh Okay, I see what
29:02
Speaker 1: you mean. A big Matt got it all right? So
29:05
Speaker 1: I was thinking of something more nefarious than a big
29:08
Speaker 1: mac in order of fries, which is really making me
29:10
Speaker 1: hungry right now. Um, A corrupt Crisp guard. Um when
29:16
Speaker 1: I think of that, Robert Robert Crispin PI, former cop
29:20
Speaker 1: turned special investigator Crispin H. Percy Pitcher's right. What is
29:25
Speaker 1: a more concerning or a nefarious example of a corrupt
29:29
Speaker 1: prison guard. Someone who's allowing weapons in, someone who allowing
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Speaker 1: cell phones to get into these people to make contact
29:35
Speaker 1: to the outside world. Drugs to drugs, contraband, cell phones, bating,
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Speaker 1: beating the inmates, cat York through jailhouse informants. Yes, and h.
29:48
Speaker 1: I was about to say, for sex on inmates, And
29:52
Speaker 1: here you have the female prison guard engaging in sex
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Speaker 1: with an inmate. Well take a list two. Olivia Dyer
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Speaker 1: in Iana. Stuart Richardson Isle of White Radio News, a
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Speaker 1: prison officer from Rye who had a sexual relationship with
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Speaker 1: a convicted murderer has been jailed. I own a. Stuart
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Speaker 1: Richardson reports. Mother of three Lauren McIntyre has been sentenced
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Speaker 1: to three years in prison. She'll serve half behind bars
30:22
Speaker 1: and half on license. The thirty two year old of
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Speaker 1: Saint John's Wood Road appeared at the Art of White
30:26
Speaker 1: Crown Court today, having previously pleaded guilty to four counts
30:30
Speaker 1: of misconduct in a public office. She admitted to wilfully
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Speaker 1: neglecting to perform her duty at hmprl of White between
30:37
Speaker 1: November and December in twenty eighteen, Miss McIntyre had a
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Speaker 1: relationship with Andrew Roberts, who was convicted of murdering his
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Speaker 1: baby daughter and wife in two thousand and three. And
30:48
Speaker 1: of course she's new the first one to be lured
30:52
Speaker 1: into or initiate a sex relationship with an inmate. Take
30:57
Speaker 1: listen to our Friends At ABC twenty twenty, Ricky Matt
31:00
Speaker 1: the Natural Ladies Man takes his relationship with Joyce Mitchell
31:04
Speaker 1: to another level. He gives Joyce some of his paintings,
31:08
Speaker 1: similar to these celebrity portraits, then he gives her something else.
31:13
Speaker 1: What was happening in that Taylor show. There's allegations of
31:17
Speaker 1: sexual contact. I can see how a friendship could evolved,
31:23
Speaker 1: but to go to the extent of having sexual contact
31:27
Speaker 1: to me is unimaginable, even more disturbing to visualize than
31:31
Speaker 1: a lockdown loving with these two, Whiley says Matt talks
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Speaker 1: Mitchell into helping out with the budding escape plot. The
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Speaker 1: three of them we're gonna run off. She was gonna
31:43
Speaker 1: have a life with either Matt or Sweat and leave
31:48
Speaker 1: her family, leave her husband, leave her son. The deal
31:52
Speaker 1: was not something for nothing, while he claims, in exchange
31:55
Speaker 1: for a fun filled future on the run with convicted killers,
31:59
Speaker 1: Mitchell had to smuggle in the tools they'd need to escape. Yes,
32:04
Speaker 1: that's right. I'm sure you've all heard of escape At
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Speaker 1: Dana Mora, a fifty five year old Taylor Joyce Mitchell
32:11
Speaker 1: was planning to leave her husband, if not more, and
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Speaker 1: run off with two inmates that are in high security lockdown,
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Speaker 1: even helping them escape. Take a listen to Brian Todd.
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Speaker 1: Inmate Eric Jensen worked at the Clinton Taylor shop with
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Speaker 1: Joyce Mitchell and David Sweat, and tonight he drops a bombshell.
32:33
Speaker 1: Jensen says, about four times a week, Mitchell and Sweat
32:36
Speaker 1: would disappear into a closet at the tailor's shop, sometimes
32:40
Speaker 1: for a half hour or forty five minutes. I believe
32:42
Speaker 1: they were getting it on. I believe they were getting
32:44
Speaker 1: it on in that back room. Mitchell's husband, Lyle, says
32:47
Speaker 1: she swore to him she never had sex with either inmate,
32:50
Speaker 1: but Jensen says Mitchell's interactions with Sweat suggested otherwise giggling
32:55
Speaker 1: like a schoolgirl. And not only that, it's actually like
32:57
Speaker 1: when like you know, the super our football player he
33:01
Speaker 1: asked a girl out on a date or for the
33:03
Speaker 1: prim or something like that superstar football player asked somebody
33:07
Speaker 1: out to the prom. We're talking about convicted killers and
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Speaker 1: female prison guards who engage in sex relationships with them.
33:21
Speaker 1: Not only that, back to you, Ray Kiputo, Joyce Mitchell
33:25
Speaker 1: actually arranged having escape tools brought into the inmates and
33:32
Speaker 1: frozen hamburger mete remember that. Yeah, I mean it's absolutely
33:36
Speaker 1: crazy because this is a woman who technically is in
33:39
Speaker 1: a position of power over these two guys, but that
33:42
Speaker 1: role is reversed that Richard matt clearly had this sway
33:47
Speaker 1: over Joyce Mitchell because all the things when you look
33:49
Speaker 1: at hindsight, what that woman was accused them. No, Ray Kaputo, Ray,
33:56
Speaker 1: would you say that if it were a male prison
33:59
Speaker 1: guard having sex with a female inmate and you're somehow saying, oh,
34:04
Speaker 1: the female inmate cast a charm on him, and therefore
34:09
Speaker 1: he had sex with her. This is very very clear.
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Speaker 1: She is in the fiduciary duty position. It's her responsibility
34:20
Speaker 1: as a prison guard. Like a cop. You don't suddenly
34:24
Speaker 1: get enticed to have sex with the perp in the
34:27
Speaker 1: backseat of your patrol card, right, I mean, Ashley, where
34:31
Speaker 1: am I failing and explaining this duty of the female
34:35
Speaker 1: prison guard. I think the duty of the female prison guard,
34:39
Speaker 1: first of all, is no different than it is for
34:41
Speaker 1: the duty of any prison guard. I don't care what
34:46
Speaker 1: anything they are. It's the same whether they're male female,
34:50
Speaker 1: regardless of race, regardless of socioeconomic anything. It's the same responsibility.
34:55
Speaker 1: It's the same duty. It's no different. And another thing
34:59
Speaker 1: that I really have and compelled to point out, this
35:02
Speaker 1: happens all the time. It's not right. I'm not excusing it,
35:06
Speaker 1: but there are relationships between prison guards and prisoners all
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Speaker 1: the time. I've got to tell you something, Never once
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Speaker 1: in all the years I prosecuted, did I ever entertain
35:20
Speaker 1: a relationship with a defendant. And this went far beyond
35:24
Speaker 1: and Joyce Mitchell's case of just having sex. Take a
35:29
Speaker 1: listen to ABC twenty twenty our cut ten. I'm sure
35:33
Speaker 1: once they realize that they can manipulate Joyce into bringing
35:36
Speaker 1: in the tools, that was the first step. What did
35:39
Speaker 1: she give them? Hackab blades, drill bits, a punch tool,
35:43
Speaker 1: a couple pairs of eyeglasses that have lights on them.
35:46
Speaker 1: She later then provided batteries for those lights. But while
35:49
Speaker 1: with twins, she had a guard on their unit named
35:53
Speaker 1: Gene Palmer who brought ground beef to the prisoners with
35:56
Speaker 1: the critical sob blades hidden inside. He was a cool
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Speaker 1: officer down to earth. I don't think he had anything
36:04
Speaker 1: any knowledge about what was in that meet. Palmer says
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Speaker 1: he had no idea, but admits he cut corners other times,
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Speaker 1: helping Mad and Sweat in exchange for inside information on
36:15
Speaker 1: other prisoners. Now properly equipped, while he says, Sweat begins
36:19
Speaker 1: gnawing through the walls of prison. Incredible arranged hack, saw blads,
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Speaker 1: punch tools, glasses with lights, handing them over to convicted killers. Okay,
36:31
Speaker 1: bottom line right, kiputea. What is Lauren McIntyre, Well, it's
36:35
Speaker 1: her sentence. She's going to jail. I believe her about
36:38
Speaker 1: three years in Nancy, and that's painful because she's got
36:41
Speaker 1: four months old baby twins at home in another five
36:44
Speaker 1: year old child. That is a big part of those
36:47
Speaker 1: little kids wives grown up without mom. But she's going
36:50
Speaker 1: to a prison that she was convicted in a court
36:53
Speaker 1: two miles away from the prison, that she was accused
36:56
Speaker 1: of doing all this stuff, And it's just quite ironic
36:58
Speaker 1: that she's now finding herself when you're inside of the law.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how she's going to explain that to her
37:03
Speaker 1: children when they grow up and look up mommy on
37:06
Speaker 1: the internet. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,