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SPECIAL EP: Andrew Gunn on Percy Cerutty - From Deathbed to Coaching World Champions · The Dan John Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome back everybody to the DanJohnUniversity.com podcast. This is
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Speaker 1: a special event for you today. This is my good
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Speaker 1: friend Andrew Gunn, or Gunny as he's known, and he's
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Speaker 1: the author of one of my actual favorite books. It's
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Speaker 1: about Percy Serity, and I said that right? You certainly did.
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Speaker 1: I always worry. And for those of you who have
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Speaker 1: been listening to the podcast for years, you know I
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Speaker 1: keep talking about this great Australian track and field coach,
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Speaker 1: which is, and the reason I think the story we're
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Speaker 1: about to share with you is interesting, is that when
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Speaker 1: I was young, when I first read my first track
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Speaker 1: and field books, Percy was considered a superstar in coaching.
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Speaker 1: What's interesting is he had very little respect here in
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Speaker 1: Australia for But throughout the rest of the world, he
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Speaker 1: was an innovator, an insightful guy. So many of the
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Speaker 1: things that many of you will take for normal, he
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Speaker 1: kind of was like a cutting edge of these things. Pioneer, yes.
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Speaker 1: A pioneer, yeah. And the other thing, too, is if
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Speaker 1: you like my work, for example, Easy Strength Omnibook, available
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Speaker 1: at danjohnuniversity.com slash bookstore, you'll find Percy is throughout the book.
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Speaker 1: So this is my friend Andrew. Andrew, this is... Our
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Speaker 1: gentle listeners.
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Speaker 2: This is a huge honor, Dan, to be here today.
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Speaker 3: And I'm going to say, Dan, you've been a huge
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Speaker 3: influence on my life.
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Speaker 2: And it was actually you who introduced me to Percy Serity.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now this is why this is an interesting story.
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Speaker 1: So I read about Percy in the Track and Field
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Speaker 1: Omni book, the 1971 version, the first edition, which is
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Speaker 1: also the book that made me want to go to
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Speaker 1: Utah State University.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So all these... So there's a whole story of my life.
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Speaker 1: Utah State University because of this book by J.K. Doherty.
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Speaker 1: But also in that book, I met Percy. In 1991
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Speaker 1: or 2, I went to the Denison University Library and
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Speaker 1: there was Larry Meyer's book, Training with Serenity, which hadn't
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Speaker 1: been out that long at the time. It's about 50
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Speaker 1: years old now, right? And I'm flipping through this book
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Speaker 1: and it's like, this is modern track and field 101.
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Speaker 1: So I fall in love with Percy. I let her
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Speaker 1: eat Pavel. Pavel talks about a thing called easy strength.
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Speaker 1: We didn't have the name there yet. And in the
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Speaker 1: back of my mind, I'm going, I know this. And
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Speaker 1: it was from Larry Meyer's book, Training with Serity. So
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Speaker 1: that's part one of our story. Now, part two picks
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Speaker 1: up with this young man.
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Speaker 3: Okay, well, at the age of 44, I was going
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Speaker 3: through a stage of my training where I wanted to
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Speaker 3: be the fastest, the strongest, the fittest man in my community.
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Speaker 3: But I kept getting injured. So one day I did
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Speaker 3: a simple Google search. I put in hill sprints, deadlifts,
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Speaker 3: and kettlebell swings. And then your name came up quite
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Speaker 3: quickly on the search. And ever since that time I
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Speaker 3: was following you, and I started, I joined the Dan
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Speaker 3: John Forum. And one day, someone was talking about Percy Serity.
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Speaker 3: There's a huge thread on Percy Serity.
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Speaker 2: And I'm an Aussie.
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Speaker 3: I should know who he is. But I didn't know
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Speaker 3: who Percy was. I knew about Herb Elliott and those blokes.
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Speaker 3: But I didn't know who Percy was.
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Speaker 2: I felt very embarrassed.
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Speaker 3: So I started Googling Percy and Ernest. And I fell
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Speaker 3: in love with the story, his comeback, his resilience. And
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Speaker 3: it was actually you in your forum that opened up
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Speaker 3: my eyes to Percy Serity.
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Speaker 1: I find it amazing. Now, this is important, gentle listener,
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Speaker 1: because what I like about Gunny, is it okay? Yes,
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Speaker 1: of course. I love Gunny. Gunny was a rugby union player.
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Speaker 2: Very amateur player.
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Speaker 1: Very amateur, doesn't matter still. Hey, this is the internet.
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Speaker 2: You can be anybody you want.
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Speaker 1: But very often in my career anyway, people have come
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Speaker 1: to Percy's work through this kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: It's always that way. You've got a rugby player, going
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Speaker 1: through a certain area of life, wanting to turn things around, Percy.
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Speaker 1: You got me, struggling, I've got two kids, I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out, I gotta figure out a better way
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Speaker 1: to train, a smarter way to train. I find Percy.
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Speaker 1: And here we are, and so he did something that's
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Speaker 1: really important. He started researching Percy, and then what did
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Speaker 1: you do? Would you tell us a story about how
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Speaker 1: you went from researching to writing a book, and share
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Speaker 1: the details.
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Speaker 2: In the book if you don't mind.
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Speaker 1: You mean a lot to me.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll try and make it very exhorting. So
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Speaker 3: when I first heard of Percy on the Dan John Forum,
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Speaker 3: after about two or three months, I had about 14
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Speaker 3: pages of information on Percy. I had bits of paper.
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Speaker 3: I had a Word document. I had all over the
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Speaker 3: place in a very haphazard manner. And I thought one stage,
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Speaker 3: one day I'm going to get together and compile this information.
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Speaker 2: And I did do that.
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Speaker 3: It took me about four or five hours to do
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Speaker 3: that one Sunday afternoon just before Christmas during COVID-2020. And also,
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Speaker 3: as I was going through the information, I couldn't believe
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Speaker 3: the nuggets of gold I had with me. You know,
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Speaker 3: this guy inspired the hell out of me. So what
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Speaker 3: I did was I tracked down an Australian author. His
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Speaker 3: name is Peter Fitzsimons. And I said to, I thought
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Speaker 3: to myself, I will email Peter my research, my information,
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Speaker 3: and get a professional to write about Percy Serity. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: that night, I had about three glasses of wine in me.
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Speaker 3: And I said to myself, after my third glass of wine,
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Speaker 3: I felt a very warm, fuzzy glow.
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Speaker 2: And that little voice in my head said, no, Gunny,
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Speaker 2: you wrote the damn book.
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Speaker 3: So that's what I did. I wrote the damn book
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Speaker 3: on Percy. It took me five years to write. And
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Speaker 3: it got published last year. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And what's the name of the book and where can
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Speaker 1: my friends find it?
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Speaker 3: So it was Percy Serity, A Life Lessons from a
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Speaker 3: Remarkable Coach.
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Speaker 2: And you can get it on Amazon.com.
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Speaker 3: Through my publisher, Clark & Mackay, through Dimmicks in Australia,
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Speaker 3: the Queensland State Library, Walmart in America. It's all around
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Speaker 3: the world. It's distributed around the world now.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so what I love about the story is that
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Speaker 1: you're a kind of a, you know, we all go
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Speaker 1: through that little weird little, all of a sudden you
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Speaker 1: kind of hit, you got your business life, your family life,
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Speaker 1: your social life, all these lives collide and you're trying
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Speaker 1: to find a way out. So you say, well, To
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Speaker 1: find my way out, I'm going to be the fastest, strongest.
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Speaker 2: I failed.
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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you find this guy, Percy.
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Speaker 1: So for those of you who are not going to
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Speaker 1: spend the money on his book or my book, I mean,
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Speaker 1: very simply it comes down to you go in, you
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Speaker 1: get the work done. Wouldn't you say you eat smart.
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Speaker 1: You don't eat crap food. You get your sleep. you
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Speaker 1: train hard, but it's all big rocks. It's all in
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Speaker 1: the cliche, the big rocks. You take care of business
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Speaker 1: and you find yourself a couple of years into it.
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Speaker 1: You walk, you sleep, you eat food, not garbage. You
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Speaker 1: wake up one day and you're like, I'm doing okay.
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Speaker 1: And so I think And I think that's probably the
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Speaker 1: gift I got from Percy. His vision of things, he's
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Speaker 1: old school, he's got an off-season, a pre-season, an end-season,
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Speaker 1: a competition or a peaking period.
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Speaker 2: Simple stuff.
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Speaker 1: Stuff I could tell you guys literally every week in
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Speaker 1: my podcast. Okay, now, the fun part for me is
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Speaker 1: that instead of doing a biography, which you could have done.
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Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know, Percy went
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Speaker 1: through a rough time in his life.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Of course, yeah.
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Speaker 3: So what fascinated me about Percy was his story, his
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Speaker 3: background story. So most people who do recall Percy think
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Speaker 3: of him as a coach who coached Herb Elliott and John.
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Speaker 2: Landy and blokes like that. But what fascinated me was at.
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Speaker 3: The age of 43, Percy had just suffered his third
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Speaker 3: nervous breakdown.
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Speaker 2: He was given 12 months to live. He was an alcoholic.
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Speaker 2: He was a chain smoker.
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Speaker 1: He had.
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Speaker 3: He was bedridden, he hadn't worked for a year, he
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Speaker 3: couldn't get out of his bed. You know, he was
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Speaker 3: on the way out, he was gonna die early. And Percy,
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Speaker 3: through walking and changing his diet, cutting out cigarettes, being
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Speaker 3: well-read in regards to the ancient Greeks.
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Speaker 1: Really well-read.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well-read man.
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Speaker 3: He changed his life in his best years, but after
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Speaker 3: the age of 44. And the funny thing was, it's
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Speaker 3: funny because when I was 44, I thought my best
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Speaker 3: years were finished too. But now I'm 54, I feel
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Speaker 3: better than I did when I was 30 by following you, Dan,
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Speaker 3: and Percy, and your best years, no matter what you're
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Speaker 3: going through, no matter what financial hardship you're going through,
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Speaker 3: or which medical condition you're going through, Percy showed us
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Speaker 3: we can overcome those things by never giving up and
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Speaker 3: just backing ourselves.
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Speaker 1: And the fun thing about your book too is that
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Speaker 1: So I had some information. I had the Larry Myers book.
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Speaker 1: I had what other people said they did for his training.
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Speaker 1: I had some quotes. And there are some older films
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Speaker 1: you can see kind of online. But they're not. They're more,
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Speaker 1: you know how it is. When someone's getting ready for
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Speaker 1: a movie, they show that 20-second clip. I mean, they're
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Speaker 1: not very good. Well, tell the audience about the research
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Speaker 1: you were able to do.
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Speaker 3: Okay. So. I was lucky enough to go to the
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Speaker 3: Victorian State Library, Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: It's the capital of Victoria.
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Speaker 3: And there's an archives room in the Victorian State Library,
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Speaker 3: the heritage room. And there was 36 boxes on Percy
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Speaker 3: Serity's essays and his writings, his poetry, his thoughts on training,
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Speaker 3: his thoughts on life, how to come back. And I
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Speaker 3: spent two glorious days researching all these boxes of information
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Speaker 3: on Percy.
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Speaker 2: And it was amazing, really. It was a great experience, Dan.
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Speaker 2: Car going boy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I found that he was such a creative man.
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Speaker 3: His writings weren't about training as such. They were about
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Speaker 3: poetry writing, about the universe. about his love for the ocean,
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Speaker 3: about the female species. He had such a huge respect
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Speaker 3: for the female species. And about nature, about just the environment.
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Speaker 3: So I spent two glorious days there, writing down his quotes,
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Speaker 3: his philosophies, and transforming them into a book.
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Speaker 1: It's a fun read, I think. I enjoyed it immensely.
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Speaker 1: If you don't mind, I want to talk about your
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Speaker 1: friends and the original when you brought the book out. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I knew Gunny was a big deal, but
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Speaker 1: I didn't know how big a deal. So my favorite thing,
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Speaker 1: there's a couple of names I want you to drop.
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Speaker 1: First off, you teaching me about Harry Moffat. I'd like
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Speaker 1: to explain that to everybody. And I have some extremely
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Speaker 1: interesting stories about him. But the other thing is, if
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Speaker 1: you know the movie 300 and if you know Lord
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Speaker 1: of the Rings, one of his good friends is the
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Speaker 1: guy in 300 who covers his eye. That's his buddy.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about the people at the book signing.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm very lucky to be in a walking group.
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Speaker 3: And once a week we catch up. We call ourselves
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Speaker 3: the BCAC group. And I was very lucky to be
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Speaker 3: invited to this group. I was one of the late
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Speaker 3: ones to be invited. There's 20 of us. And I'm
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Speaker 3: a big believer in men's health, and we catch up
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Speaker 3: once a week, we go for a walk, we walk, talk,
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Speaker 3: and have a coffee afterwards. And I guess there's a
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Speaker 3: few people in that group who have been very successful
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Speaker 3: in their lives. And in regards to Harry Moffat, Harry
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Speaker 3: was a guy I met through researching Percy, and he's
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Speaker 3: an SAS man in Australia.
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Speaker 2: He's a psychologist. And he's just a great fellow. He's
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Speaker 2: a very good man.
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Speaker 3: Harry was very generous with his time in regards to
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Speaker 3: learning about... He's got a company called the Stoughton Group,
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Speaker 3: which is based in Melbourne. Some of their clients are
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Speaker 3: huge football teams in Australia, AFL teams, NRL teams. And
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Speaker 3: I guess through this, I guess, journey of Percy, I've
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Speaker 3: discovered these amazing people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Harry Moffat wrote two books I've read. The
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Speaker 1: Fourth Pillar. Yep. So the Fourth Pillar is basically using
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Speaker 1: the lessons you learned in, was it 11 deployments?
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Speaker 2: Correct, correct.
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Speaker 1: 11 deployments using Percy's... Insights, Stoughtonism, which is a combination
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Speaker 1: of Stoic and Spartan, a Percy concept. And then very much,
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Speaker 1: the other thing I like about his, the importance he
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Speaker 1: has rules of community that you might have missed if you,
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Speaker 1: as an outsider, that really appealed to me. But then
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Speaker 1: Harry also has, Harry, my mistake, has another book called
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Speaker 1: Eleven Bats. And it's about his deployments and playing cricket
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Speaker 1: on all these deployments. And I've got to tell you,
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Speaker 1: after you buy and read your book, I would suggest,
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Speaker 1: especially The Fourth Pillar. It's a great book. I'm afraid
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Speaker 1: my American audience might not understand some of the nuances
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Speaker 1: of the cricket stuff, but you would understand the deployment concepts.
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Speaker 1: And then if you don't mind, what's the young man's
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Speaker 1: name who was in 300 and in Lord of the Rings?
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Speaker 2: David Wenham. He's one of the many people in our group.
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Speaker 1: I was telling you earlier, but When the movie 300
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Speaker 1: came out, everyone fell in love with abs and blood.
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Speaker 1: But I always thought that David's character, the person who
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Speaker 1: survives to tell the story, I thought that was, I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say, beyond the ab wall, beyond the six-pack abs
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Speaker 1: and all that, and all the blood and gore, that,
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Speaker 1: the guy who survives and thrives, that's something I thought
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Speaker 1: that was really important. And of course, the guy who
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Speaker 1: trained the athlete actors in that, Mark Twight, was a
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Speaker 1: good friend of mine, is a good friend of mine.
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Speaker 1: And he came out and he talked, just before the
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Speaker 1: movie came out, he talked to my school. I brought
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Speaker 1: him in. And it's weird because I had a counselor
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Speaker 1: who said, why would the students want to hear about
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Speaker 1: a movie? And I'm like, you know, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if the phrase translates, but boy, did you miss that ball.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, 300 was kind of a big deal. And, you know,
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Speaker 1: Mark was talking about their nutrition and their training. And
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Speaker 1: that was all great. But David's story in there is
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Speaker 1: so crucial. And for those of you who might have missed,
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Speaker 1: if you don't mind me just taking a moment here,
15:31
Speaker 1: as we're doing this, we're right around the anniversary of 9-11.
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Speaker 1: That was 25 years ago. And I think what's happening
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Speaker 1: is a lot of Americans are, are missing the pre-911
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Speaker 1: America versus what we have now. And when 300 and Troy,
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Speaker 1: those movies hit, those movies really seemed to resonate with
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Speaker 1: this sudden militarization we had to have as a country.
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Speaker 1: Even though I don't think we really did, we certainly
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Speaker 1: didn't follow the lifeline of how to deal with the situation.
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Speaker 1: But it was just wonderful that you're his friend, Moffat, too.
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Speaker 1: I mean, these are great authors that a lot of
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Speaker 1: us are missing in our field. Because I think Fourth
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Speaker 1: Pillar and your book, I mean, those are great book-ed books.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: And so are your books.
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Speaker 2: 40 Years with a Whistle. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. That means the world to me. So
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Speaker 1: you told me that you found yourself at about age
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Speaker 1: 44 kind of chasing too many rabbits.
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Speaker 2: Correct, correct.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the rabbits you're chasing now. Right, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps I'm chasing now or back then?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right now.
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Speaker 2: Right now.
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Speaker 3: Right now, I want to, well, funny you said that,
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Speaker 3: I'm actually working on my second book. And it's actually
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Speaker 3: more a bit of a men's health feel to it.
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Speaker 3: I want to try to, because I've got such a
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Speaker 3: great benefit out of my walking group, I want all
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Speaker 3: men to have the same sort of connection with their,
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Speaker 3: I think it's very.
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Speaker 2: Important for men to get together.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: In groups, like-minded men to get together once a week, walk, talk,
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Speaker 3: have a coffee afterwards.
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Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, you get so much energy out
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Speaker 2: of that. So I'm trying to, hopefully, my book will
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Speaker 2: be able to.
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Speaker 3: Incorporate those ideas into a broader community, into out there somehow.
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Speaker 2: So I'm kind of getting there.
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Speaker 1: I want to add one thing. I get this from
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Speaker 1: my friend Maureen. She runs the Senior Centre where I
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Speaker 1: hang out. And she says, for lifelong, to be alive
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Speaker 1: a long time, not just living, but alive, she says
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Speaker 1: it's mobility and community. And mobility is walking and community
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Speaker 1: is what you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Every five days a week, I have an intentional community
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Speaker 1: that I work out with. People show up to train
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Speaker 1: with me. I mean, you know one of them, Erica,
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Speaker 1: and there's many others. But they come together. We train.
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Speaker 1: We walk. We go out and get coffee. We talk.
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Speaker 1: We celebrate each other's events of life. And there's something
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Speaker 1: about that that is missing. And I agree. I agree.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I think you're nailing it. You know,
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Speaker 1: we were talking on the way up here. So it
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Speaker 1: turns out because of a lawsuit that I have college
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Speaker 1: eligibility now. And I had this thought about going back
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Speaker 1: to school. And then I caught myself because I realized
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Speaker 1: that how many rabbits can I chase at my age? Yes, yes, yes.
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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, I could, you know, get
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Speaker 1: back in the weight room, could get the weight back on,
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Speaker 1: I could throw the discus, but then I do want
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Speaker 1: to be around for my grandchildren. Good, yeah. So one
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Speaker 1: of the great things about his story, and I want
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Speaker 1: to make sure I emphasize this again, when 44, was
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Speaker 1: 44 the age that... 44, yes, yes. So at age 44,
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Speaker 1: he was going to chase all these rabbits. Yes, yes, yes.
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Speaker 1: And when you decided to chase the Percy book... Yep.
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Speaker 1: And your walking community, among other things. Absolutely. Now you
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Speaker 1: have a book. Correct. It's at Walmart. It's at Amazon. Amazon, yeah.
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Speaker 1: You're in a community with some very famous people. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, the other whole bunch of former professional
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Speaker 1: athletes are in the group with them too. It's a
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Speaker 1: who's who. It's very impressive. And the idea, when you
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Speaker 1: decide to do this.
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Speaker 1: And go, I'm going to go after that rabbit, good
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Speaker 1: things tend to happen.
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Speaker 2: That's right. As you always say, Dan, chase one rabbit
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Speaker 2: at a time. Chase one at a time.
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Speaker 1: One at a time.
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Speaker 3: And I think I was making the mistake in my
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Speaker 3: 40s trying to chase too many rabbits. And it was
19:40
Speaker 3: actually you who got me into thinking through.
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Speaker 2: Your forum, just chase one rabbit at a time.
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Speaker 1: That's good.
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Speaker 2: I think that's kind of, that's just a game changer
19:48
Speaker 2: for me.
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Speaker 1: Hey, do you have anything else you'd like to add?
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Speaker 3: I just think, just going back to Percy Serity, I
19:55
Speaker 3: know there's people out there who are probably going through
19:58
Speaker 3: so many different things right now. It can be anything,
20:01
Speaker 3: be financial, be physical or mental, that Percy went through
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Speaker 3: all those things and he was able to overcome.
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Speaker 3: So many setbacks and still achieve the most remarkable thing.
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Speaker 3: So I think as long as you hang in there
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Speaker 3: and never give up and just think positive thoughts, you know,
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Speaker 3: the world is your oyster.
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Speaker 1: So true. So true. Yeah. I mean, the problem with
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Speaker 1: what you said is it's so simple. And I think
20:30
Speaker 1: sometimes that gets lost, especially in the fitness industry, which
20:34
Speaker 1: I almost say sometimes I begrudgingly am involved in because
20:38
Speaker 1: it's hard sometimes. Yeah. You know, I'm not sexy. I'm
20:42
Speaker 1: not shiny. You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Of course, of course.
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Speaker 1: Most of my advice is boring. And most of the time,
20:52
Speaker 1: when I'm doing a workshop, usually I get this. There
20:55
Speaker 1: we go. But yeah, it's that stuff that you miss.
20:59
Speaker 1: And I'm really happy to hear where your focus is
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Speaker 1: right now. And good luck on the book. Okay, before
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Speaker 1: we go, make sure we understand who we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Percy Seary.
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Speaker 1: P-E-R-C-Y-C-E-R-U-T-T-Y.
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Speaker 2: Correct, correct.
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Speaker 1: And go to Amazon. Look for Andrew Gunn. Yep. G-U-N-N.
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Speaker 1: It'll be in there. It's Dan John, two thumbs up.
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Speaker 1: See you at the... I'm waiting for the movie to
21:32
Speaker 1: come out. It's going to be great.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully.
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Speaker 2: There should be a movie about this boy.
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Speaker 1: I think so. It'll be me and Brad Pitt. Brad
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Speaker 1: Pitt will be the young Percy. I'll be the older.
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Speaker 2: Good, good, good.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to share that information, but he was
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Speaker 1: a remarkable coach. And I'll say it still interests me
21:52
Speaker 1: so much that the place on the planet he's probably
21:55
Speaker 1: least appreciated is.
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Speaker 2: Australia.
21:57
Speaker 1: Australia.
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Speaker 2: Oh, no. It's a shame.
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Speaker 1: So when I was in high school, I had a buddy,
22:04
Speaker 1: and his name was Jesus of Nazareth.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And he said, Dan, you can't be a prophet in
22:08
Speaker 1: your own town. And sometimes that's what happens. Very true,
22:13
Speaker 1: very true. Yeah, yeah. We've talked about that many times
22:17
Speaker 1: in my career. My own children would not listen to
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Speaker 1: me when it came to throwing the discus and shot.
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Speaker 1: So I can't help you. Anything else you want to add?
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Speaker 2: No, that's all.
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Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you to you, Dan,
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Speaker 3: because you've been a huge influence in my life. And
22:33
Speaker 3: I can't say that enough to the people out there
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Speaker 3: is that it was actually you who's changed my training.
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Speaker 3: I'm 54 years of age, I feel much younger. I
22:42
Speaker 3: may look 60, but I definitely feel younger. And it
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Speaker 3: was you, Dan, and I want to thank you for.
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Speaker 2: Your men's health awareness too.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
22:52
Speaker 2: And for what you do.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, folks, there you go. Andrew Gunn, G-U-N-N,
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Speaker 1: Percy Serity. It's available on Amazon, and if you're lucky
23:02
Speaker 1: enough to live in certain parts of Australia... You can
23:04
Speaker 1: go to a bookstore and get it. And until next time, folks,
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Speaker 1: let's all keep on lifting and learning, okay? Thank you.