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Sharri | 24 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight, Premier Chris Min's calls for COVID style protocols.
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Speaker 2: As Chris Bowen admits hundreds of service stations have run
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Speaker 2: out of diesel and fuel, Camra Milner argues this is
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Speaker 2: the wake up call Australia needs to develop our own
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Speaker 2: sources of energy. This as President Trump prepares to end
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Speaker 2: the war in Iran, is he pulling up stumps too soon?
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Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a moment. Also in the show,
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Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Scott Morrison criticizes Albanezi for sending naval
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Speaker 2: officers to their bunkers, indicating he would have done more
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Speaker 2: to support the United States and Israel. That exclusive interview
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Speaker 2: coming up. Plus Iranian sleeper cells suspected of executing attacks
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Speaker 2: on Jewish ambulance vehicles in London. I'll speak about this
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Speaker 2: with Alex Riftchin later, but first tonight. President Trump's top negotiators,
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Speaker 2: Steve Wikoff and Jared Kushna, are set to fly to
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Speaker 2: Pakistan this week for peace talks with Iran. President Trump
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Speaker 2: today revealed that Iran and the United States have had
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Speaker 2: productive conversations about ending the war, a statement that was
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Speaker 2: immediately contradicted by Iran, which called this fake news. But
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Speaker 2: it does appear as though Trump's dramatic ultimatum to Iran
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Speaker 2: has worked. More ships are flowing through the Strait of Hormus,
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Speaker 2: and the terror regime wants a deal. Trump had threatened
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Speaker 2: to obliterate key Iranian energy sites if Tehran continued to
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Speaker 2: block the strait. He says he's now postponed that for
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Speaker 2: five days.
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Speaker 3: They want very much to make a deal. We'd like
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Speaker 3: to make a deal too. We're going to get together
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Speaker 3: today by probably phone. We're doing a five day period.
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Speaker 3: We'll see how that goes, and if it goes well,
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Speaker 3: we're gonna end up with settling this. Otherwise we'll just
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Speaker 3: keep bombing our little hearts out.
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Speaker 2: Bombing our little hearts out. But with the Iranian leadership decimated,
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Speaker 2: Trump was asked, well, who exactly is the United States
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Speaker 2: dealing with as it negotiates the conditions for ending the war. Well,
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Speaker 2: Trump described the Iranian that they were speaking with as
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Speaker 2: a top leader, but he wouldn't say his name.
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Speaker 3: We've wiped out the leadership phase one, Phase two, and
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Speaker 3: largely phase three, but we're dealing with the man who
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Speaker 3: I believe is the most respected and the leader. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's a little tough. They've wiped out, We've wiped out everybody.
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Speaker 2: Now there could be a disconnect between the so called
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Speaker 2: top leader Trump is dealing with and the Iranian revolutionary Guard.
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Speaker 2: As Trump says, so many layers of Iranian leadership have
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Speaker 2: been taken out, so it's hard for them to quite
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Speaker 2: know what trust who to negotiate with.
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Speaker 3: We are now having really good discussions. They started last night,
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Speaker 3: a little bit the night before that. And I think
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Speaker 3: they're you know, I think they're very good. They want
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Speaker 3: to they want peace. They've agreed they will not have
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Speaker 3: a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 2: Wik Koff and Kushna I believe to be leading these talks,
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Speaker 2: which will involve banning nuclear weapons, handing over in enriched uranium,
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Speaker 2: and ensuring freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 2: But as I mentioned, Iran is publicly denying that it's
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Speaker 2: engaging in talks with the United States at all. In fact,
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Speaker 2: it's parliamentary speaker, Mohammed Gullabuff described this as fake news.
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Speaker 2: Here's what he wrote on x He said, no negotiations
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Speaker 2: have been held with the US and fake news is
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Speaker 2: used to manipulate the financial and oil markets and escape
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Speaker 2: the Quagmaya in which the U, the US, and Israel
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Speaker 2: are trapped. Well Iranian propaganda aside, it's a fact that
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Speaker 2: Trump's comments did work to rally the markets, whether by
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Speaker 2: design or not. They came a couple of hours before
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Speaker 2: the markets opened on the East coast, and after Trump's comments,
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Speaker 2: the S and P five hundred and the Dow Jones
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Speaker 2: Industrial Average had one of their biggest one day gains
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Speaker 2: in a month, and the price of oil also dropped.
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Speaker 4: Brent crude oil prices immediately dropped from above one hundred
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Speaker 4: and eight dollars US of barrel to a low of
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Speaker 4: ninety six dollars eighteen. You can see here right now
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Speaker 4: around about one hundred and three dollars US of barrel.
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Speaker 2: So this has led to the question about whether Trump's
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Speaker 2: comments about ending the war are real or are they
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Speaker 2: just a reprieve for the spiraling markets. In my view,
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Speaker 2: it's likely both. The global economy matters to Trump. Of
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Speaker 2: course it does, along with the polit pressures related to
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Speaker 2: rising fuel prices, but it's also true that the talks
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Speaker 2: are underway now. The war began on February twenty eight,
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Speaker 2: it's about three and a half weeks ago, and Trump
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Speaker 2: has now signaled another five days, which will then take
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Speaker 2: us to four weeks since the war began. And you'll
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Speaker 2: remember that Trump initially estimated this would be a four
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Speaker 2: or five week war, so it's right on target now.
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Speaker 2: I spoke with former Prime Minister Scott Morrison. He's on
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Speaker 2: the show in a moment, and he tells me tonight
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Speaker 2: that Trump did always intend for this to be a short,
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Speaker 2: sharp war and that Trump would be right to claim
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Speaker 2: a massive victory. I also asked him about the role
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Speaker 2: of the Allies and he said, it's a pity that allies,
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Speaker 2: including Australia, haven't done more to help the United States.
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Speaker 2: You would never have asked for naval offices on the
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Speaker 2: American side marine to go back to their bunkers, would you.
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Speaker 1: What's not?
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Speaker 5: I mean, the whole point of them be there is
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Speaker 5: that they are actively learning how to command.
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Speaker 6: Ultimately, this was like that.
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Speaker 2: It's a good point in that full interview is coming
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Speaker 2: up in just a moment, but for me it was
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Speaker 2: very refreshing to hear him, to hear what he had
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Speaker 2: to say when we're now used to seeing figures like
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Speaker 2: Albanezi and Penny Wong, who constantly call for de escalation,
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Speaker 2: They're reluctant to ever praise Trump, as Scott Morrison does tonight. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister benjaminette Ya who was asked about Trump's
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Speaker 2: comments today, and he responded to all of this by
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Speaker 2: saying that while the talks are underway, the strikes against
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Speaker 2: Iran continue and Tornita.
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Speaker 6: Gavin at Duck.
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Speaker 2: He also explained why Iran was a threat to all
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Speaker 2: of Europe as.
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Speaker 7: They fired an interco funtinental ballistic missiles four thousand kilometers
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Speaker 7: right into Diego, Garcia, the American British base. They can
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Speaker 7: reach now with these ballistic missiles everywhere in Europe, almost
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Speaker 7: everywhere in Europe. I've been warning that for years, the
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Speaker 7: leaders of the free world, the leaders of the Moderate States,
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Speaker 7: what more are you waiting for? President Trump has correctly
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Speaker 7: said that Israel, the United States and Israel, in this
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Speaker 7: great partnership, we're fighting the battle not only for ourselves
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Speaker 7: but for all of you.
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Speaker 2: Now, before this war, this all began with Deploymacy, which failed,
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Speaker 2: and there's now been three and a half weeks of
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Speaker 2: strikes against Iran. Iranian attacks are reportedly diminishing since Operation
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Speaker 2: Epic Fury began, and Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Charon
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Speaker 2: has School told us last night that international ships are
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Speaker 2: now moving through the Strait.
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Speaker 1: There were quite a few ships that were crossing just yesterday.
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Speaker 1: From what we've seen right now, I think there were
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Speaker 1: around forty of them of them that actually crossed, so
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Speaker 1: I think the indication might be even positive.
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Speaker 2: It's also not just Israel that's determined to see Iran's
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Speaker 2: military capabilities destroyed, but Saudi Arabia and the UAE two.
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Speaker 2: The Times in London reports that they originally warned Trump
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Speaker 2: against going to war with Iran, but advised that if
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Speaker 2: he must, then he should go all the way. Other
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Speaker 2: Golf countries such as Qatar and Oman would be content
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Speaker 2: with the war ending now, reckoning that it should never
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Speaker 2: have taken place, and he's already bringing diminishing returns. Look,
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Speaker 2: it would be disappointing to move on from the war
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Speaker 2: without destroying the regime and having proper change, but this
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Speaker 2: was always a tall order and not entirely realistic. The
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Speaker 2: airtolers in Iran have been in control since nineteen seventy nine,
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Speaker 2: and with just an aerial campaign from the US in
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Speaker 2: Israel without boots on the ground, it's extremely difficult to
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Speaker 2: topple the regime, and Trump has also given mixed signals
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Speaker 2: on this. Initially he said it wasn't his goal, and
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Speaker 2: then both he and Nedinya, who reportedly repeatedly said that
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Speaker 2: it's up to the Iranian people and they urged them
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Speaker 2: to take advantage of the bombardment and rise up and
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Speaker 2: seize control. It is unlikely this will now eventuate, although
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Speaker 2: it's not out of the question. In total, nine thousand
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Speaker 2: Iranian targets have been hit and one hundred and forty
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Speaker 2: Iranian vessels damaged or destroyed. That's according to a new
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Speaker 2: update from the US from Central Command. Some of these
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Speaker 2: sites include the IIGC intelligence sites, ballistic missile sites, Iranian
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Speaker 2: air defense systems, anti ship missile sites, military communication capabilities,
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Speaker 2: weapons production and storage bunkers, and surface to air miss
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Speaker 2: out facilities, and more. Yet, the battle is not one,
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Speaker 2: particularly as Iran's global spread of terror continues, with Iranian
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Speaker 2: backed sleeper cells suspected of being behind attacks on four
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Speaker 2: ambulances in London that belong to the volunteer Jewish organization Hatsola,
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Speaker 2: yes ambulances a vulnerable civilian target. Here's what unfolded.
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Speaker 8: In the early hours of the morning. Three people, their
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Speaker 8: faces covered, were captured on CCTV approaching the ambulances in
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Speaker 8: what's being described as an arson attack. Daylight revealed the damage.
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Speaker 8: The Hatsolar volunteer service provides emergency medical care for Jewish
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Speaker 8: and non Jewish residents. The ambulances were parked outside a synagogue.
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Speaker 8: The blaze is being treated as a race hate crime.
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Speaker 2: Hutsola do incredible work, not just in London but around
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Speaker 2: the world and as you just heard there, they helped
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Speaker 2: Jews and non Jews alike, even though it's Jews who volunteer.
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Speaker 2: They were among the first on the scene at the
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Speaker 2: Bondai massacre, the Hutsola volunteers saving lives. You may remember
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Speaker 2: from my documentary seeing the New South Wales Liberal leader
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Speaker 2: Kelly Sloane jump into an Hutslar ambulance and race to
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Speaker 2: Bondi where she then helped victims.
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Speaker 9: So as we were driving in, our window was actually
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Speaker 9: open and we were shouting where's Yankee.
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Speaker 2: Here is actual vision of the ambulance arriving at the scene.
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Speaker 2: Mendy Litzman is driving Kelly Sloane inside.
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Speaker 9: And you were just taking in I was taking in everything,
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Speaker 9: but I was looking for Yankee also.
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Speaker 2: And Kelly. You just would have seen bodies everywhere.
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Speaker 10: There was body after body.
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Speaker 9: Kelly, you remember the blood go I think I've blocked a.
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Speaker 10: Lot of that out, but there were groups of people
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Speaker 10: clustered around bodies as we went through, and I thought, gosh,
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Speaker 10: this is huge. And we had no idea that we
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Speaker 10: were about to park under the bridge with the gunment
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Speaker 10: above us.
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Speaker 2: When Mendy arrived, he immediately went looking for his fellow medic, Yankee,
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Speaker 2: but first the police asked him to do CPR on
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Speaker 2: the shooter.
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Speaker 9: When I came on the bridge, I saw two individuals
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Speaker 9: on the floor. They look like the shooters. One of
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Speaker 9: them was dead. The police were doing CPR and m
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Speaker 9: and the second one was still alive and the police
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Speaker 9: was screaming on me, save him, save him again. I'm
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Speaker 9: the first medical personal seen and because I'm trained overseas,
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Speaker 9: and it was juli into my head. You can't help
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Speaker 9: someone who potentially has explosives on them.
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Speaker 2: So the police asked you to help save the life
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Speaker 2: of the shooter and you said to them, no, it's
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Speaker 2: not safe.
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Speaker 9: It's too dangerous. Go kavum. They could have a vessel
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Speaker 9: of them and a could low up and it's not safe.
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Speaker 2: That's Hatsola among the first on the scene after Bondi
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Speaker 2: around the world. They are good guys who save lives.
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Speaker 2: By the way, if you want to keep watching our documentary,
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Speaker 2: it is now on YouTube and you just have to
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Speaker 2: type in Bondi Special Investigation in the YouTube search bar.
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Speaker 2: But this is the concern. Even with a severely weakened Iran,
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Speaker 2: the threat radical Islamic terrorism poses to us in the
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Speaker 2: West remains at an all time high, and it's why
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Speaker 2: one nation is now soaring in popularity. All the big
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Speaker 2: questions are, is President Trump moving to end the war
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Speaker 2: too soon? Can he call this a massive victory? And
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Speaker 2: should the allies, including Australia, have done more to help
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Speaker 2: America and Israel. There's no one better to analyze how
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Speaker 2: the Albanese government has responded to this war than former
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Scott Morrison, and I spoke with him a
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Speaker 2: little earlier. Scott Morrison, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 6: Thank you, Cherrey. Good to be with you.
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Speaker 2: President Trump said today that peace talks were beginning. Steve
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Speaker 2: Whitkoff has gone to Pakistan. Do you think it's too
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Speaker 2: early to end the war while the IIGC is still
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Speaker 2: in control.
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Speaker 5: I think we've been very careful about where the bar
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Speaker 5: is being set here around this conflict. Remember, before the
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Speaker 5: conflict even started, what the President was seeking was a diplomatic,
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Speaker 5: negotiated outcome, which was rejected by Iran, which led to
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Speaker 5: the strikes being undertaken in the first place. Those strikes, clearly,
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Speaker 5: by what was instructed to the military, involved the massive
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Speaker 5: degradation of Iran's military capability. Now, that is what has happened,
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Speaker 5: and that has continued now over these past few weeks,
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Speaker 5: and at any point during that time, I think the
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Speaker 5: President could claim quite justifiably to have achieved a very
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Speaker 5: significant objective. I do notice that his critics, though, keep
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Speaker 5: amping up the bar here, to keep ramping it up
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Speaker 5: in terms of what should be achieved, which extends from
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Speaker 5: everything from complete regime change to complete destruction of all
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Speaker 5: military capabilities of Iran. Now, these aren't realistic objectives, and
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Speaker 5: I don't think at any stage that is what the
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Speaker 5: military of the United States together was if Israel was
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Speaker 5: tasked with so look, I welcome.
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Speaker 6: The fact that they're having engagement.
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Speaker 5: We do want to be sure that they have been
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Speaker 5: able to hit and every target they possibly could, and
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Speaker 5: have degraded the military capability of Iran as much as
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Speaker 5: is practically possible short of what no one is suggesting
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Speaker 5: with any seriousness of a ground invasion of Iran.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the United States and Israel deserved more
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Speaker 2: support from their allies around the world than they have
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Speaker 2: received during the course of this war. Keeping in mind
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Speaker 2: that we've seen intercontinental ballistic missiles from Iran reach to
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Speaker 2: that US UK base in the Indian.
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Speaker 5: Ocean, I think the President has been making a very
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Speaker 5: reasonable point that frankly, the United States is more insulated
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Speaker 5: from the impacts of what's happening in the Straits of
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Speaker 5: HMS than whether it be Europeans or even ded Australia.
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Speaker 5: I mean, back in twenty twenty, twenty nineteen, I think
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Speaker 5: it was we sent the Turma frigate to the Golfers
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Speaker 5: part of.
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Speaker 6: A US led.
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Speaker 5: Mission to ensure the security of the Straits of them
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Speaker 5: was why did we do that? Well, we did it
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Speaker 5: because Australia's interests were engaged, and whether it's the CELLS,
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Speaker 5: whether it's the UK or others, I think it's important
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Speaker 5: that allies understand that turning up in these circumstances is
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Speaker 5: not just there to support the US, that their own
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Speaker 5: interests are heavily engaged. And as a result, whether it
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Speaker 5: was initially when the President I think quite rightly had
16:59
Speaker 5: some pretty harsh words to say to the UK about
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Speaker 5: the use of their assets early on their facilities to
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Speaker 5: engage in those first trikes and those being denied, and
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Speaker 5: then of course we had the rather bizarre situation here
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Speaker 5: with the reports of our own sub Marin has been
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Speaker 5: apparently tasked to stand down during the contact. I mean,
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Speaker 5: these types of things I think were surprising. I think
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Speaker 5: they were disappointing, and I don't think those actions really
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Speaker 5: stem from any real analysis of what these nations own
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Speaker 5: interests were. Now we've seen improvement in that sense, and
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Speaker 5: we've seen efforts from France and others who were engaged
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Speaker 5: far more than I think many reports suggest. But that said,
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Speaker 5: you know, there was a gap once again, there was
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Speaker 5: a there was a pause. There wasn't an instinctive understanding
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Speaker 5: I think of what was at stake here and you
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Speaker 5: couldn't certainly accuse Israel or the United States of any
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Speaker 5: such gap or pause.
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Speaker 2: Just to follow up from that, you would never have
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Speaker 2: asked for naval officers on the American submarine to go
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Speaker 2: back to their bunkers, would you course not.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the whole point of them being there is
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Speaker 5: that they are actively learning how to command ultimately vessels
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Speaker 5: like that. It's the idea that they wouldn't have been involved,
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Speaker 5: like any other member of the crew in that contact.
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Speaker 5: I find just extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary. It not only sends
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Speaker 5: the wrong message to our allies, but it also sends
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Speaker 5: the wrong message in terms of what we're trying to
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Speaker 5: achieve through that program. And as a result, I was
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Speaker 5: gobsmacked to.
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Speaker 6: Hear about that.
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Speaker 5: I read Tony Abbot's piece in the Australian was overseas
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Speaker 5: at the time, and I shared his sentiments strongly.
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Speaker 2: You also mentioned that you'd sent an Australian naval vessel
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Speaker 2: to protect the Strait of Homer's previously. Well, the argument
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Speaker 2: now is that we don't have such a vessel that
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Speaker 2: we could send, Is that true?
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Speaker 5: Well, you know it's been four years now since I
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Speaker 5: was an office, so I'm not privy to what their
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Speaker 5: state of readiness is. We certainly could do it back
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Speaker 5: then and when we engage with President Trump at the time,
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Speaker 5: and we supported that effort successfully. Whether there has been
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Speaker 5: the time at sea and the various capabilities being maintained
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Speaker 5: to support the deployment of vessel and those circumstances now
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Speaker 5: all these years later, well only the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 5: the Minister for Defense can answer that, and the officials
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Speaker 5: at Defense. But certainly last time we did it. And
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Speaker 5: now I admit that the circumstances then are different to
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Speaker 5: what they are now.
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Speaker 6: There is a hot conflict underway.
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Speaker 5: Back then that wasn't the case, a nice at least
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Speaker 5: not in this scale. But my point was simple, is
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Speaker 5: that we did it because our interests were engaged and
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Speaker 5: we were working with our ally and partner to ensure
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Speaker 5: the security of that region in which many interests were
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Speaker 5: at stake.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned a moment ago critics of the war, Well,
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Speaker 2: does it seem to you that much of the media
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Speaker 2: globally are almost barracking for the United States and Israel
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Speaker 2: to lose.
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Speaker 5: I often get that impression, sadly, Shari, and I find
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Speaker 5: that quite I don't want to believe it, but it
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Speaker 5: keeps presenting itself. I mean, such as some commentators disdained
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Speaker 5: for the president, but to barrack for the United States's
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Speaker 5: enemies just to prove a point just seems, you know,
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Speaker 5: trumped arrangement syndrome gone to a whole new level. And
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Speaker 5: you know, we've got to remember what's at stake here.
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Speaker 5: Iran was a despotic, apocalyptic terrorist supporting regime that had
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Speaker 5: been wreaking havoc on the Middle East for almost fifty years.
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Speaker 5: An opportunity presented itself to take out its leadership, to
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Speaker 5: massively degrade their capabilities, but only after every effort was
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Speaker 5: made to diplomatically achieve importantbjectives to defang Iran were unsuccessful.
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Speaker 5: And so that's what's at stake. I find it amazing
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Speaker 5: that there could be some sympathy for this regime, whether
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Speaker 5: here in Australia or anywhere else. I mean it, it
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Speaker 5: is sickening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree, Scott Morrison. Do you think people
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Speaker 2: underestimate the threat that Iran poses to us in the West.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen terror attacks that we're told by
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Speaker 2: agencies were orchestrated by Iran in Australia, over the past
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Speaker 2: year or so, we've seen Iranian proxy terror groups come
21:36
Speaker 2: under suspicion of the attacks and the Jewish ambulances in London,
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Speaker 2: and while not directly related, we're facing the threat of
21:43
Speaker 2: radical Islamist extremism with the Bondai terror attack and even
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Speaker 2: what Albanezi had to deal with when he went to
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Speaker 2: lakember Mosque on Friday night wasn't very pleasant.
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Speaker 6: No, it wasn't. And those images have gone all around
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Speaker 6: the world. I was talking to.
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Speaker 5: Some colleagues in the United States earlier today and this
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Speaker 5: has not gone unnoticed. But yes, we have those threats
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Speaker 5: in Australia, always have, and the Iranian regime has been
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Speaker 5: a global menace, an absolute global menace. And in the past,
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Speaker 5: previous administrations had somehow thought that they could talk this
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Speaker 5: regime around. We had the JZPOA, we had all of
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Speaker 5: these things, hopeless failures while terrorism contended to get funded.
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Speaker 5: And now we have a US administration who's prepared to
22:28
Speaker 5: call them out and destroy their capability. Now will they
22:32
Speaker 5: get every last drone? No, not with this type of
22:36
Speaker 5: a campaign. And it's almost like sometimes in relation to
22:39
Speaker 5: your earlier question, it's almost like they're willing the United
22:42
Speaker 5: States to put boots on the ground for this to
22:45
Speaker 5: be a completely different type of operation, which would obviously
22:50
Speaker 5: not be received well in the United States. Now the
22:52
Speaker 5: President is not going to do that, and rightly so.
22:56
Speaker 5: This is an air campaign, one that has been tasked
22:59
Speaker 5: to cause massive degradation and it has. I mean, the
23:03
Speaker 5: number of missiles they now have has been more than half,
23:06
Speaker 5: well over more than half. And that's not to speak
23:09
Speaker 5: for the massive destruction of their launching capabilities, their industrial
23:14
Speaker 5: production of those missiles and those launchers. Their navy has
23:18
Speaker 5: been completely wiped out. So there has been massive destruction,
23:22
Speaker 5: and both the United States and Israel now can fire
23:25
Speaker 5: at will. They have complete air command over the entire domain,
23:30
Speaker 5: and that will be sending a very strong message. So,
23:33
Speaker 5: I mean, the reports of these engagements now between Iran
23:38
Speaker 5: and the United States are welcome, and I hope they've
23:41
Speaker 5: come to their senses, and I hope that they are
23:44
Speaker 5: able to reach some form of agreement which will see
23:47
Speaker 5: things stabilize in the very very near future in the
23:50
Speaker 5: Middle East. I'm sure that is what the Golf partners
23:54
Speaker 5: would certainly like to see, who have been drawn into
23:57
Speaker 5: this conflict by Iran's hand, not by the United States,
24:01
Speaker 5: but by Iran's hand of sending strikes into the United Eraments,
24:06
Speaker 5: into Saudi Arabia and many other places. And I think
24:10
Speaker 5: that once again highlights Iran's risk to the region more
24:13
Speaker 5: broadly and what that means for the global economy. So
24:17
Speaker 5: we're still at a point now, I think Shari where
24:19
Speaker 5: the President can rightly, absolutely rightly declare a massive victory
24:25
Speaker 5: over Iran and be able to then put in place
24:30
Speaker 5: a set of arrangements which will contain Iran and if
24:34
Speaker 5: they act up in the future, as the Israelis say,
24:37
Speaker 5: well they'll have to go on moor Grass, which is
24:41
Speaker 5: part of maintaining a stability in that region. Now, hopefully
24:45
Speaker 5: that's not necessary and hopefully a more stable, peaceful relationship
24:49
Speaker 5: can be formed. But you know, Iran has formed and
24:53
Speaker 5: so short of doing what no one would recommend in
24:58
Speaker 5: any seriousness, which on all our ground assault in Iran,
25:02
Speaker 5: that would not I mean, you think about even Iran
25:05
Speaker 5: compared to Iraq. I mean, the scale is completely different,
25:10
Speaker 5: and so you know what was required in Iraq to
25:12
Speaker 5: achieve that outcome, you know, add double that in terms
25:17
Speaker 5: of what would be required in Iran, and obviously that
25:20
Speaker 5: is not an undertaking which is sensible and won't occur.
25:24
Speaker 5: So short of having that capability to get that effect,
25:27
Speaker 5: then maximizing what you can achieve with this type of campaign,
25:31
Speaker 5: I believe they're very close to having achieved that, and
25:35
Speaker 5: as a result, I think the president, particularly if he's
25:37
Speaker 5: able to secure some sort of diplomatic reproche more, then
25:41
Speaker 5: good for him and he should be commended a for
25:44
Speaker 5: taking action where others in the past wouldn't have even dared,
25:48
Speaker 5: and be in keeping the pressure on to get the
25:51
Speaker 5: outcome which will mean a more stable Middle.
25:53
Speaker 2: East, not just the Middle East, but a safer world
25:56
Speaker 2: as well. As we've dealt with the tentacles here. When
26:00
Speaker 2: you were Prime Minister at the start of the war
26:02
Speaker 2: in Ukraine, you did cut the fuel like sise to
26:04
Speaker 2: give motor a some reprieve. Shouldn't the alban Ezy government
26:08
Speaker 2: do that?
26:08
Speaker 5: Now they've got to make their own calls on this.
26:11
Speaker 5: The reason we did it is because we made it
26:14
Speaker 5: very clear at the time that the war was going
26:16
Speaker 5: to have a very significant impact on these prices and
26:19
Speaker 5: actually on petrol prices. This time around, the impact has
26:22
Speaker 5: burned more pronounced. The ol price movement has been similar.
26:25
Speaker 5: The inflationary impacts last time was stronger. But what I
26:30
Speaker 5: think I can say is what we understood when we
26:34
Speaker 5: provided that subsidy in place for fuel last time is
26:38
Speaker 5: it was temporary, and it was temporary because we knew
26:41
Speaker 5: that the impact on the fuel price would be time limited.
26:45
Speaker 5: So we had a temporary, targeted support for households which
26:51
Speaker 5: cushioned them from the biggest part of the blow that
26:53
Speaker 5: was coming on petrol prices. Now, we were accused at
26:56
Speaker 5: the time by all the usual suspects, Oh, this was
26:59
Speaker 5: just a pre action gimmick. Well, there actually was a
27:01
Speaker 5: war on which was completely disrupting global energy supplies. Actually
27:06
Speaker 5: far more significantly back then in many respects in terms
27:10
Speaker 5: of the broader economic effect than we're seeing now. I mean,
27:13
Speaker 5: if you look at what's been happening with the ten
27:15
Speaker 5: year bond yields out of the United States, the movements
27:17
Speaker 5: back in the early months of twenty twenty two were
27:21
Speaker 5: far more pronounced than they were this time, far more pronounced.
27:25
Speaker 5: So the shock effect of that beginning of the European
27:28
Speaker 5: War what was I think people may be misremembering it.
27:33
Speaker 5: It was very bad and I remember we were saying
27:36
Speaker 5: at the time that this was having a very significant
27:38
Speaker 5: impact on whether petrol prices on inflation. They were dismissed
27:43
Speaker 5: by our opponents as not acceptable excuses. Well, they seem
27:48
Speaker 5: pretty ready to claim them now in circumstances which frankly
27:52
Speaker 5: I think in the medium term will prove to be
27:55
Speaker 5: less injuring. I think once they land a result here
28:00
Speaker 5: in the Middle East, then while it won't be immediate,
28:03
Speaker 5: I think we will we will see things return to
28:06
Speaker 5: a more stable and balanced outcome, and we won't see
28:10
Speaker 5: the enduring impacts that we've seen out of Ukraine War.
28:13
Speaker 5: Ukraine War, we're still going four years later and those
28:16
Speaker 5: impacts are still there and affecting supply chains. So in short,
28:20
Speaker 5: you know, there were reasons for what we did there
28:22
Speaker 5: last time. We were criticized for our motives of doing
28:25
Speaker 5: it at the time. I think that criticism has shown
28:28
Speaker 5: itself to be absolutely ridiculous, and the government has now
28:31
Speaker 5: faced with similar circumstances and some hard calls to make.
28:35
Speaker 2: Scott Marrison, thank you so much for your time. It's
28:37
Speaker 2: always so refreshing to hear strong words and common sense.
28:40
Speaker 2: I just wish we had it from the leadership in
28:43
Speaker 2: Australia today.
28:45
Speaker 6: Thank you Shari, always good to be with you. All
28:47
Speaker 6: the best.
28:49
Speaker 2: Right and still to come. Alex Rivchin joines me to
28:51
Speaker 2: unpack the sickening cartoon published by the Financial Review and
28:56
Speaker 2: just how many service stations have run out of diesel
29:00
Speaker 2: and fuel will give you the exact number, state by
29:03
Speaker 2: state after the break welcome back. Well after initially claiming
29:10
Speaker 2: there was no crisis, no shortage, no issue at all,
29:14
Speaker 2: Energy Minister Chris Bowen has today finally spoken about just
29:19
Speaker 2: how many service stations across the country have run out
29:22
Speaker 2: of petrol.
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Speaker 11: In New South Wales the figure is one hundred and
29:26
Speaker 11: sixty four without diesel, two hundred and ninety two hundred
29:29
Speaker 11: and eighty nine without at least one type of fuel.
29:32
Speaker 11: In Queensland the figure is fifty five with no diesel,
29:35
Speaker 11: thirty five with no regular unloaded. In Victoria the figure
29:39
Speaker 11: is one hundred and sixty two with one or more
29:41
Speaker 11: grades unavailable. In South Australia it's forty six. In Western Australia,
29:44
Speaker 11: I'm advised it's six. In Tasmania it is one with
29:47
Speaker 11: no diesel and six for no unloaded.
29:51
Speaker 2: So the worst ones there were. In New South Wales
29:53
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty four stations don't have diesel, two
29:57
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty nine or without at least one type
30:00
Speaker 2: type of fuel. In Queensland, fifty five stations with no diesel,
30:04
Speaker 2: thirty five without regular unlettered. In Victoria one hundred and
30:08
Speaker 2: sixty two stations without one or more grades of fuel.
30:12
Speaker 2: So those are the worst. Now New Southeast Premier Chris
30:15
Speaker 2: Mins raised today the possibility of COVID style protocols, including
30:20
Speaker 2: national rules for fuel rationing or working from home.
30:25
Speaker 12: The principle that we think is important and will be
30:29
Speaker 12: prosecuting with the Commonwealth government and the other states, and
30:32
Speaker 12: that is that if demand management procedures are required, that
30:37
Speaker 12: might be rationing, that might be working from home, it
30:39
Speaker 12: might be other programs or remedies that we can introduce
30:44
Speaker 12: into the marketplace. We're firmly of the belief that it
30:47
Speaker 12: should be a nationally consistent approach.
30:51
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in tonight's panel, Bill Shotton's former
30:54
Speaker 2: chief of staff, Camra Milner, and former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
30:57
Speaker 2: Great to see you both. Cameron, do you think this
30:59
Speaker 2: is where we're headed to COVID style protocols.
31:04
Speaker 13: Well, it feels that way. And unless this straits of
31:06
Speaker 13: her moves opens up and we get sixty percent of
31:08
Speaker 13: our oil back, which is where Australia is oil that
31:10
Speaker 13: goes to our petrol and jet fuel and diesel comes from,
31:13
Speaker 13: We're going to be having a supply crunch by mid April.
31:15
Speaker 13: That's not far away, that three weeks away, just after easter.
31:18
Speaker 13: So I think it's getting very bad. And the longer
31:20
Speaker 13: that state strays closed because of the terrorist regime in Iran,
31:24
Speaker 13: and that's the only reason why it's staying closed, then
31:27
Speaker 13: we had to hit a huge fuel crisis here in Australia.
31:29
Speaker 13: I agree complete with Premier Mints. This is a national responsibility.
31:33
Speaker 13: I don't want Albow or anyone else outsourcing this.
31:38
Speaker 2: Holly. I mean, you're feeling the pinch you live outside
31:42
Speaker 2: of Sydney now, But you know, do you do you
31:45
Speaker 2: agree that Chris Bowen? I mean, just on Sunday he
31:47
Speaker 2: was on the ABC claiming that only six ships shipments
31:52
Speaker 2: have been missed. I mean, he just hasn't been upfront
31:54
Speaker 2: with people.
31:55
Speaker 14: This guy just honestly, there's a reason why Ray Hadley
31:59
Speaker 14: refers to him as Casanova Bowen and I'm sure Ray
32:03
Speaker 14: can update you on the meeting behind that, but it
32:05
Speaker 14: just consistently is proven true. This is a guy who
32:09
Speaker 14: can't lie straight in bed. And I can tell you
32:12
Speaker 14: in rural and regional areas, the diesel issue is so
32:16
Speaker 14: serious that there are farmers talking about not being able
32:19
Speaker 14: to put in a winter crop. Now that's going to
32:22
Speaker 14: have an impact on our food supply going into the future.
32:26
Speaker 14: The Easter weekend is traditionally a really big tourism weekend
32:30
Speaker 14: for the regions and that is just simply not going
32:34
Speaker 14: to be happening this year. And so when you start
32:36
Speaker 14: talking about COVID style restrictions, you know, work from home, encouraging.
32:42
Speaker 15: People not to travel anywhere.
32:44
Speaker 14: It's those regional centers that rely on tourism dollars to
32:47
Speaker 14: come in.
32:48
Speaker 15: And particularly from those from the metropolitan.
32:51
Speaker 14: Cities coming out for a weekend getting away and they're
32:55
Speaker 14: not being able to do that. That's going to have
32:57
Speaker 14: broader impacts across these communities.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cameron, you've written about this in your column this
33:03
Speaker 2: week in The Nightly. You've said this fuel crisis is
33:05
Speaker 2: the wake up call that Australia needs because we've been
33:08
Speaker 2: relying on imports on golf states while refusing to properly
33:12
Speaker 2: develop our own sources of energy, which leaves us dangerously exposed.
33:19
Speaker 13: Well it is, and I think this surely this proves
33:21
Speaker 13: we can't trust the Middle East any longer. I mean,
33:23
Speaker 13: you know, our biggest threat to our national security is
33:25
Speaker 13: Islamics state terrorists, Islamic terrorists in our own community. Our
33:29
Speaker 13: biggest threat to our national economic security is the Islamic
33:33
Speaker 13: States and the oil it comes from them, because they've
33:35
Speaker 13: got an Iranian neighbor who they've been playing footsies with
33:38
Speaker 13: for years, who's now bombing them. He's trying to get
33:41
Speaker 13: a nuclear weapon for goodness sake. I mean, this is
33:44
Speaker 13: kingdoms and caliphates and states run by crazies, and our
33:47
Speaker 13: fuel security is that be in their hands, and that
33:49
Speaker 13: can't happen any longer. We've got plenty of oil and
33:51
Speaker 13: gas in Australia. We should look after ourselves and not
33:54
Speaker 13: rely on the Islamic States to supply our fuel security.
33:59
Speaker 2: Big story the front page of the OS by Matthew
34:01
Speaker 2: Cranston today that the Albanezy government is planning a national
34:05
Speaker 2: electric vehicle road user charge. Now this is very controversial
34:10
Speaker 2: idea of a road user charge. This is for EV.
34:13
Speaker 2: So the debate is now whether this is genuine reform
34:17
Speaker 2: or it's simply the state and federal governments trying to
34:20
Speaker 2: get more revenue as more drivers are turning to electric
34:24
Speaker 2: vehicles with fuel prices surging. Holly, what do you think?
34:28
Speaker 15: Well, look, it's interesting.
34:30
Speaker 14: This is something through my time in the Senate was
34:32
Speaker 14: spoken about a lot, and I noticed Tim Wilson's come
34:35
Speaker 14: out today saying that, you know, the coalition may not
34:38
Speaker 14: support it through the Senate, claiming its attacks and maybe
34:42
Speaker 14: there's going to be another split in the coalition here
34:44
Speaker 14: because one of the largest advocates or sort of loudest
34:47
Speaker 14: advocates for an EV road user charge was Bridget mackenzie,
34:52
Speaker 14: who saw it as you know, EV drivers almost subsidizing
34:57
Speaker 14: those people that couldn't afford electric vehicles that you know,
35:01
Speaker 14: these EV drivers, we're using the roads that non EV
35:04
Speaker 14: drivers were subsidizing on their behalf.
35:07
Speaker 15: So the Nationals have very strongly supported this.
35:10
Speaker 14: There's a lot of hohoha and politic keating around, you know,
35:13
Speaker 14: political spake around whether it's a tax or not, but
35:16
Speaker 14: whether it's a registration, whether it's a user fee, whatever
35:19
Speaker 14: it is, it's fundamentally you're giving.
35:22
Speaker 15: More money to the government, so it's a tax. But
35:25
Speaker 15: you know there are more and more.
35:26
Speaker 14: EV users and the reality is if you drive a
35:28
Speaker 14: petrol or a diesel car, you are subsidizing the.
35:31
Speaker 15: Road usage of those evs. So something has to give.
35:35
Speaker 14: In Victoria, the High Court throughout their EV tax because
35:39
Speaker 14: you can't have a tax that can then travel across
35:41
Speaker 14: state lines potentially, so it does have to be a
35:44
Speaker 14: national approach. But I'm not quite sure you'd think this
35:47
Speaker 14: is a big economic reform.
35:50
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't have thought so either, Cameron, what do
35:53
Speaker 2: you think. I mean, clearly this is a revenue stream.
35:56
Speaker 2: Whether how much we'll go to the States, how much
35:58
Speaker 2: we'll go to Canberra is another question that needs to
36:00
Speaker 2: be worked out. But my concern is, you know, sure,
36:03
Speaker 2: while electric vehicle drivers are not paying anything at the moment,
36:07
Speaker 2: so it seems kind of fair in a way. We
36:11
Speaker 2: know that once you introduce a road user charge, it's
36:14
Speaker 2: just going to creep in and then the rest of
36:16
Speaker 2: motorists will be paying double.
36:19
Speaker 13: Well, but it's an equity argument, isn't. I mean, these
36:20
Speaker 13: evs already massively subsidized so people go out and buy them,
36:24
Speaker 13: you know, and and yet they're using our roads. I mean,
36:26
Speaker 13: you know, I don't think the petrol and diesel fueled
36:29
Speaker 13: cars should subsidize the Tesla driving teals quite f the Greens.
36:34
Speaker 2: Why don't just cut the subsidize we should.
36:36
Speaker 14: Actually vehicles are heavier, they're doing the damage, they're heavier.
36:44
Speaker 2: But yeah, Cameron go.
36:48
Speaker 13: I think I think it should also be a luxury
36:50
Speaker 13: bike tax too on middle aged meaning we should in fact.
36:57
Speaker 2: Can we just have them not on the roads. That's
36:59
Speaker 2: not to say that God getting call behind bikes at
37:03
Speaker 2: six thirty in the morning if you're driving that early.
37:06
Speaker 2: All right, very quick and I mean quick, just responses
37:10
Speaker 2: from both of you about the One Nation surge that
37:13
Speaker 2: we saw in South Australia on the weekend. Holly, the
37:16
Speaker 2: new South of our state election is a year away.
37:19
Speaker 2: We've got the Pharaoh by election. Do you think One
37:22
Speaker 2: Nation is now solidified as potentially the second biggest political
37:26
Speaker 2: force in the country after Labor?
37:28
Speaker 15: Look, I think almost.
37:29
Speaker 14: They certainly have the fact that they've on primary vote
37:33
Speaker 14: got three percent higher than what the Liberals got. I'm
37:36
Speaker 14: sure though that there'll be some meetings occurring between you know,
37:41
Speaker 14: ministers of state and making sure that the voting method
37:45
Speaker 14: doesn't change anytime soon.
37:47
Speaker 15: Because when over twenty percent of the state.
37:49
Speaker 14: Wants you and it votes for you yet securing upper
37:54
Speaker 14: lower House seats because of preferential voting systems, you can
37:58
Speaker 14: just see where the French parties are making sure to
38:01
Speaker 14: gain the system.
38:03
Speaker 2: Cameron, you know, coming from the Labour side of politics,
38:06
Speaker 2: what do you think the coalition should be doing? One
38:09
Speaker 2: Nation is clearly a threat because their message is resonating
38:13
Speaker 2: with voters. Do you think they need to consider some
38:15
Speaker 2: sort of governing coalition.
38:18
Speaker 13: Well, let's let's not quite get to that yet. I mean,
38:20
Speaker 13: the Liberals and Nationals have got to stand up on
38:22
Speaker 13: their own digs and let's give Matt Cannavan chance. And
38:24
Speaker 13: I think Agus Taylor's hopeless. I mean, Angus Taylor is
38:26
Speaker 13: going to give liberal votes to one nation. But oh no,
38:30
Speaker 13: it's not. Look, let's let's see what Let's see what
38:33
Speaker 13: Farah does. Let's see what Farah does. But the reality
38:36
Speaker 13: is when you have a popular leader like mens or
38:37
Speaker 13: mal Anawskas one nation only affects the conservative side thinks.
38:41
Speaker 13: But in Victoria, the pole we just saw out today
38:44
Speaker 13: shows that actually hits labor as well, So one nation
38:46
Speaker 13: is not just a liberal problem, it's a labor problem
38:48
Speaker 13: as well.
38:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, And I just realized that both of
38:51
Speaker 2: you would are not particular fans of Angus Taylor, So
38:55
Speaker 2: there you go, Harlie Hughes, Carara Milner. I'm fans of
38:58
Speaker 2: you both though.
38:59
Speaker 15: Great to have you on the Oh, thanks Sha so much.
39:02
Speaker 2: All right, Still to come, Alex Riftchinn will join me
39:04
Speaker 2: to discuss the attacks on Jewish ambulances and that anti
39:08
Speaker 2: Semitic cartoon in the fin Review. Plus we'll find out
39:11
Speaker 2: how the fuel supply issue is impacting farmers, and one
39:15
Speaker 2: will join me after the break.
39:19
Speaker 10: Well.
39:20
Speaker 2: Farmers are defending their decision to stockpile fuel amid accusations
39:24
Speaker 2: of panic buying from the Albanezy government. Farmers are arguing
39:28
Speaker 2: that buying up diesel while prices are still lower or
39:32
Speaker 2: they could get higher, is necessary to keep their farms viable.
39:36
Speaker 2: New South Wales sheep farmer Graham Gilmour told The Guardian
39:39
Speaker 2: that it would be a very poor business decision for
39:41
Speaker 2: any business to not buy it at the lower price.
39:44
Speaker 2: He says it's not panic buying. On ten thousand leaders
39:47
Speaker 2: at an extra a dollar twenty five. That's twelve thousand
39:50
Speaker 2: dollars massive. Meanwhile, the Opposition leader Kelly Sloan today suggested
39:56
Speaker 2: that free public transport for people over the east the
39:59
Speaker 2: long weekend and would be a good idea.
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Speaker 16: We're calling on the government to give families free public
40:08
Speaker 16: transport this Easter long weekend. We know this will help families,
40:13
Speaker 16: it will help small businesses, and it will ease pressure
40:15
Speaker 16: at the pump.
40:16
Speaker 2: We think it's a no brainer. And joining me now
40:20
Speaker 2: is the President of the Farmers Association, Xavier Martin. Xavier,
40:24
Speaker 2: thanks for your time and look sorry that you guys
40:27
Speaker 2: are doing it so tough at the moment. What can
40:29
Speaker 2: you tell us about some of the situation that farmers
40:32
Speaker 2: are facing.
40:34
Speaker 17: Look, FALM fuel tanks are running low or run out.
40:38
Speaker 18: There's many that were not in a position to be
40:42
Speaker 18: carrying significant stocks. And to the extent that when they
40:47
Speaker 18: started almost four weeks ago, the season, seasonal demand, certainly
40:53
Speaker 18: the summer crop harvest and for winter crop sewing was
40:57
Speaker 18: really not upon us. But it is rapidly upon us
41:00
Speaker 18: as we speak tonight, and certainly here at Narraborough.
41:04
Speaker 17: Branch where I've been with the Narboro RSL Club.
41:07
Speaker 18: You know the ar farmers that are facing well, the
41:10
Speaker 18: cotton pickers are in the paddock around Narraboro and as
41:13
Speaker 18: they are in other parts of the East Coast. And look,
41:17
Speaker 18: we've got a serious problem emerging. We've got a rice
41:19
Speaker 18: harvest underway in the south of the States. Doesn't get
41:23
Speaker 18: better being left out in the paddock. It needs to
41:25
Speaker 18: come off. And of course the winter sewing of pastures
41:29
Speaker 18: and winter crops needs to go ahead. So we urgently
41:32
Speaker 18: need the government to provide an assurance that diesel access
41:36
Speaker 18: for farms and the food supply chain is a priority.
41:40
Speaker 17: We need the reserves that we must.
41:43
Speaker 18: We seem to be assured we have carefully managed in
41:47
Speaker 18: case fuel stops arriving in Australia, and we're calling on
41:51
Speaker 18: this new Task Force Coordinator to ensure that the geographic
41:55
Speaker 18: or sector specific measures are in place to ensure diesel
42:00
Speaker 18: reaches farms and rural service stations.
42:03
Speaker 17: We need that as an urgent commitment.
42:07
Speaker 2: So can we go back to the food production and
42:09
Speaker 2: food supply So you know, as you mentioned, this is
42:12
Speaker 2: impacting food production. Some farmers are saying that this could
42:15
Speaker 2: be halved. You know, Australia's food production could be halved
42:19
Speaker 2: within months, you know, in one of the worst case scenarios.
42:24
Speaker 2: Do you think this is exaggerating or is this the
42:27
Speaker 2: real prospect?
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Speaker 18: Oh? Look at you can easily come to the conclusion
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Speaker 18: that there ought to be enough fuel around, given what
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Speaker 18: assurances there are about the reserves at the terminals that
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Speaker 18: the vessels are unloading. But when you look at the
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Speaker 18: dysfunctional behavior of some of the middlemen in the supply
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Speaker 18: chain and the so far government only talking about what
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Speaker 18: might happen, not actually taking any action, the reality is
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Speaker 18: that farmers can't afford to go and sew a crop,
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Speaker 18: plant a crop if they don't know they can harm.
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Speaker 18: So look, I appreciate it, it's a worst case scenario
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Speaker 18: that you've just outlined, but the reality is that farmers
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Speaker 18: are not going to lock in a loss. That's not
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Speaker 18: how you stay in business. So if they can't see
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Speaker 18: they're going to get to harvest the crop, they're not
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Speaker 18: going to sew the crop.
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Speaker 2: And then we're also of course hearing reports about fuel
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Speaker 2: thieves as well. I mean, it's just such a difficult time.
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Speaker 2: And then to top it all off, you've got the
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Speaker 2: incompetence of Chris Bowen, who at first denied there's a
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Speaker 2: problem now isn't doing anything about it, as we heard
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Speaker 2: from Scott Morrison earlier. I mean he did at least
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Speaker 2: he cut the fuel exies for six months. That helped people,
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Speaker 2: and you know he said there's more of a case
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Speaker 2: to do that now, Savior Martin, really appreciate your time
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Speaker 2: and good luck, Thank you, thank you. Je still to
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Speaker 2: come shock as the Financial Review defends that anti Submitic cartoon,
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Speaker 2: plus concerns about Iranian sleeper cells after attacks on Jewish ambulances.
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Speaker 2: That's after the break, welcome back. Well, last night we
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Speaker 2: spoke about this disturbing cartoon published by the Australian Financial Review,
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Speaker 2: which plays into some of the oldest and ugliest anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic tropes there are. The finn Review has stood by
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Speaker 2: the cartoon, the editor in chief, James Chesssell, telling me
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Speaker 2: I'm supportive of the cartoon. Well, the man who highlighted this,
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Speaker 2: Alex Ripton Co, Chief of the Executive Council of Australian Jury,
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Speaker 2: joins me. Now, Alex, thanks as always for your time. Look,
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Speaker 2: what do you think is so atrocious about this disturbing image.
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Speaker 19: Well, look many things, Sharry. I think the thing that
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Speaker 19: really disappoints with the most is how short that grace
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Speaker 19: period after the massacre of December fourteen was, and how
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Speaker 19: quickly people have returned to type, whether it's grace, tame, chanting.
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Speaker 19: In to final David rowe again with his deeply offensive
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Speaker 19: depictions of Jewish leaders, and it's not the first time.
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Speaker 19: But when you break down the elements of this, he
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Speaker 19: will no doubt say it's a critique of Netanyahu and
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Speaker 19: Trump and a critique of the war. But the motifs
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Speaker 19: in this are unmissibly Jewish. They're not Israeli, They're Jewish.
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Speaker 19: The reference to aive, which is a Yiddish term loved
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Speaker 19: and used mockingly by neo nazis the fact that Trump
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Speaker 19: is chanting Torah, which is obviously the very origin of
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Speaker 19: Jewish tradition and belief and law. And you know, I've
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Speaker 19: seen many depictions by David Roll of Trump, and he
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Speaker 19: loves to depict him as being this great ogre and
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Speaker 19: tyrant and this loner who holds others in contempt. Never
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Speaker 19: have I seen him depict him being ridden and coerced
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Speaker 19: and manipulated by someone else and lo and behold, the
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Speaker 19: person doing that happens to be the Prime Minister of
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Speaker 19: the Jewish State. So we will hear the usual denials,
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Speaker 19: and we will hear that, you know, artists subjective and
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Speaker 19: can be interpreted in numerous ways. But I think any
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Speaker 19: reasonable person will look at this and see the unquestionable
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Speaker 19: Jewish themes of control of bloodthirst in this and see
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Speaker 19: for what it is which is deeply offensive. And in
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Speaker 19: the I've criticized David Rose cartoons, he's responded there was
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Speaker 19: one in particular where he in a very offensive way
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Speaker 19: to pick the Josh Fredenberg with a hook nose. His
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Speaker 19: defense then was that it was just a quick sketch.
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Speaker 19: This wasn't a quick sketch. This was very detailed with
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Speaker 19: many elements will clear thought through. I think he knew
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Speaker 19: what he was doing, and it says something about anti Semitism.
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Speaker 19: The fact that this got through and was allowed to
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Speaker 19: be published in a very distinguished, very important newspaper with
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Speaker 19: great editors and great journalists, and I think a lot
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Speaker 19: of the people working in that paper, like us, will
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Speaker 19: be scratching the head and wondering how this ever got through.
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Speaker 19: There's a huge blind spot when it comes to antisemitism,
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Speaker 19: and this is another.
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Speaker 6: Example of that.
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Speaker 2: I think you're one hundred percent right. And when I
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Speaker 2: rang the editor in chief of the Financial Review yesterday afternoon,
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Speaker 2: I assumed it must have been a mistake and he
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Speaker 2: was going to say it wasn't meant to be published,
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Speaker 2: but he didn't. He said he supports the cartoon, And
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Speaker 2: I said, how is that possible? How can you possibly
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Speaker 2: support publication of a cartoon that blames Jews as you say,
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Speaker 2: oive the use of that word, and Tora torotra that
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Speaker 2: blames Jews for Trump going to war on around and
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Speaker 2: in this climate that we're facing in Australia where we're
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Speaker 2: just waiting for the next attack, it's quite a terrifying
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Speaker 2: way to live, I have to say. But apparently the
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Speaker 2: Financial Review doesn't care at all about these issues, or
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't publish something like that.
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Speaker 19: Well, could you imagine if this were an African leader
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Speaker 19: that was being depicted, or an Asian leader, and whether
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Speaker 19: you would see classic racist stereotypes directed those groups. It
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Speaker 19: would never get through. But again with anti semitism, it's
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Speaker 19: of lesser concern. It's a lesser form of racism. Despite
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Speaker 19: the lethalility of it which we just witnessed, and here
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Speaker 19: it is in the pages of a very esteemed publication.
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Speaker 12: In this country.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, I just want to ask you about the devastating
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Speaker 2: scenes in London overnight for Jewish ambulances, hutsolo vehicles targeted.
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Speaker 2: I mean this again shows the threat of terror is
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Speaker 2: very real.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 19: Look, and no one is surprised by this. Firstly, with
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Speaker 19: the escalation in the Middle East and the war with Iran,
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Speaker 19: we know that Iran is a country that operates through
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Speaker 19: proxies and sleeper cells throughout the world. We've seen here
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Speaker 19: in our own backyard IRGC orchestrated attacks on Jewish civilian targets,
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Speaker 19: so there's no surprise here. But again to see ambulances,
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Speaker 19: Htsala and Hutsala will be known to many Australians after
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Speaker 19: the sterling work they did on December fourteenth to save
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Speaker 19: lives Jewish and on Jewish. These are volunteer groups funded
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Speaker 19: by the Jewish community that saved life regardless of whether
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Speaker 19: it's Jewish or not. And the fact that they were
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Speaker 19: targeted in this way in a neighborhood I live just
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Speaker 19: down the road in Hampstead. I know gold has Green
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Speaker 19: very well. It's an area that brims with Jewish life,
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Speaker 19: and at the moment, many Jews in the UK are
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Speaker 19: questioning their place in that society. And I've spoken a
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Speaker 19: lot with my counterparts in the UK, the leadership there
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Speaker 19: of the Board of Deputies, particularly Phil Rosenberg, the President.
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Speaker 19: He's being stoic and strong and showing greatlyship. But just
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Speaker 19: like our community here, they are bracing themselves for the
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Speaker 19: next attack. They know they're in a cycle of violence
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Speaker 19: which won't end soon. And it's a terrifying notion. We're
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Speaker 19: seeing threats towards a Jewish community from so many different actors,
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Speaker 19: state and non state, loan and organized. It's the terrifying
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Speaker 19: reality of being Jewish right now.
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Speaker 2: It is depressing, and you know it's only for your
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Speaker 2: strong voice that you know it at least gives us
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Speaker 2: some hope for the future. Thank you so much all
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Speaker 2: the tripture and appreciate your time. That's all for me tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your company. I'm going to
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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now, here's
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Speaker 2: Paul Murray in the man Cave. Good night,