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Throuples, Touring, Hollywood with Keltie Knight · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: for it? This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
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  Speaker 1: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch.
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  Speaker 2: What's it called?
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  Speaker 1: It's Dunaidial. Where? Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean... Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 2: Lift?
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  Speaker 1: Please. Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 3: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: When you're on the road, when you're on the go,
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood
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  Speaker 3: tales for real life.
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  Speaker 4: Mrs.
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  Speaker 5: Eggman's serial data and serial sister. You'll be addicted and
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  Speaker 5: addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a real delight,
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  Speaker 1: a podcaster queen from the lady gang, Kelty Knight. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Juicy Scoop. I know you came on once before, correct?
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  Speaker 3: I came on very early.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: When we were the only two podcasts that existed for females.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And our only advertisers were like Cars and Beer because
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  Speaker 3: no female.
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  Speaker 1: True Car.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, True Car. No women brands advertised our podcast because
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  Speaker 3: there were no female podcasters. So like We look fucking great.
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  Speaker 1: We're pioneers.
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  Speaker 3: We did it.
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  Speaker 2: Still at it.
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  Speaker 1: Still at it.
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  Speaker 3: You're welcome. You're welcome, everyone who started a podcast in
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  Speaker 3: the last decade.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Heather and I would like, you know, please give us
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  Speaker 3: our residuals.
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  Speaker 1: I remember we met at a gifting suite. We met
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  Speaker 1: at a gifting suite, which also don't exist anymore. God
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  Speaker 1: damn it. And it was... Wait, maybe it wasn't. No,
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  Speaker 1: it was you and your... Jack and Becca. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was one of your co-hosts. Yeah. And you're like... Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're at the same podcast company, too, and we listen
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  Speaker 1: to yours, and yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then I remember once we talked on the phone about, like,
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  Speaker 1: merch and stuff. Well, and deals. And you're wearing your merch.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what a fucking psychopath. But you know what?
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not an idiot, Heather McDonald. I know how popular
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  Speaker 3: this show is because I look at the charts every
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  Speaker 3: week and I see that you are very high up
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  Speaker 3: on the charts and have way more fans than Lady Gang.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not a fucking idiot. I am going to
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  Speaker 3: wear my sweatshirt and make sure everyone knows that there
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  Speaker 3: is a second podcast you could tune into if you'd like,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't have enough Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: In your life. I like your Lady Gang sweatshirt, Lady
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  Speaker 1: Gang University. Very cute. Very cute.
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  Speaker 3: Like you go to, you go to university and you
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  Speaker 3: learn about like Yeast infections.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Getting out of the dick sand and like negotiating a
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  Speaker 3: higher pay.
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  Speaker 1: What does the dick sand mean?
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  Speaker 3: The dick sand's like when a girl is like she's
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  Speaker 3: having she's in a sexual relationship with someone that she
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  Speaker 3: thinks is like going to end up in a real
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  Speaker 3: relationship or it's just sex or it's messy. And, like,
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  Speaker 3: she's blinded by the dicks, and she's stuck in the
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  Speaker 3: dick sand, and she can't get out.
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  Speaker 1: Are there multiple dicks in the sand, or just the
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  Speaker 1: one dick is so, it's like quicksand?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to judge you if it's
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  Speaker 3: multiple dicks, but I would think when I have been
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  Speaker 3: in the.
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  Speaker 1: Did you create this scenario?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we made it up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you made it up.
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  Speaker 3: It's like in the dick sand, like, you know, you're like,
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  Speaker 3: you're just, like, with a guy, and you can't get out,
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  Speaker 3: and you should get out, but he just keeps pulling
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  Speaker 3: you back in.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, got it. Like quicksand. Got it.
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  Speaker 3: Dick sand.
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  Speaker 1: And you're married.
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  Speaker 3: You're a married woman. Yeah, I'm married. I've been married for.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, 10 years.
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  Speaker 1: Congrats.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Are you married? Yes, I've been married 22.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, shit.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so what's our secret, Hollywood?
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  Speaker 1: I said my secret is staying married has become my brand.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: And I like to stick with a brand that seems
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  Speaker 1: to work.
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  Speaker 3: As long as it's about work. She's like, I will
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  Speaker 3: do everything for work and even my marriage. And I
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  Speaker 3: appreciate that. Honestly, my TikToks with my husband get more views,
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  Speaker 3: so I will stay married very much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: People love it. People love it. I just remember, like,
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  Speaker 3: I actually am, like, kind of oodled. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: know that we've met and it's been a few years, though.
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  Speaker 3: I just, like, some moments of what I watched, like,
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  Speaker 3: when I was, you know, just getting into Hollywood and stuff, like,
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  Speaker 3: I was so obsessed with, like, Late Night on E! and, like,
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  Speaker 3: I just remember seeing you and I just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like I can't believe I'm sitting with you. Like,
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  Speaker 3: it's fucking cool.
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  Speaker 1: I did it. God, okay, great.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: It's so embarrassing, but.
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  Speaker 1: So, but, okay, so you guys had your lady gang.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you had a TV show. Yeah. Which I think
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  Speaker 1: was kind of what everybody thought when they started a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: And might now. Now it's so saturated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It really doesn't make, I don't even know if anyone's
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  Speaker 1: getting picked up to do a show. But that was
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  Speaker 1: always kind of my thought. Like, oh, maybe this will
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  Speaker 1: turn into a show. And you guys really did make
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  Speaker 1: it turn into a show. I think yours did.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And also what was that other one with the guy
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  Speaker 1: that's now on 9-1-1 and the girl? Anyway, they're funny.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they still have a show. They
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  Speaker 1: got a TV show for a minute. And then it
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  Speaker 1: was to the point where people were pitching shows. This
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  Speaker 1: is like seven years ago. And the agents and stuff
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  Speaker 1: would say, the only way you're going to get a
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  Speaker 1: TV show is if you have a podcast first. And
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  Speaker 1: then you can prove that this was like a viable show. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And now I feel like that's not happening. No one
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  Speaker 1: wants to hear about your podcast becoming a TV show. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what, Heather, you have Lady Gang to
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  Speaker 3: thank for that because we, so here's the, can I
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  Speaker 3: tell you the whole story? Cause it's actually kind of fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: And I know Juicy Scoopers love the inside Hollywood. So
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: here's what's happened. Becca, after she was on Glee, could
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  Speaker 3: not get another acting job. It happened with a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the Glee cast is that You know, you were
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  Speaker 3: so famous and it was such a big show that
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  Speaker 3: like no one could see you as anything else but
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  Speaker 3: like Kitty Wilde or whoever you were. So it's like
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  Speaker 3: all that cast just started auditioning and it was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: we know her too well. We want the next ingenue.
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  Speaker 3: We want the next blonde girl, whatever. So she wasn't working.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I was working at Entertainment Tonight and I was miserable.
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  Speaker 3: I was so tired. I was so burnt out. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, there has got to be something else to
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  Speaker 3: do with my life. And I was like, I really
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  Speaker 3: want to own something. Becca and I were having sad
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  Speaker 3: salads at the 101 Cafe. We're like crying into our
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  Speaker 3: salads having lunch.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of– your favorite salad.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I hate vegetables and I will avoid a
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  Speaker 3: salad like the play.
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  Speaker 1: Really god I love a salad you do what was
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  Speaker 1: what's a sad salad I mean a.
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  Speaker 3: Sad salad is like any salad I probably was having
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  Speaker 3: like some mixed salad oh what so.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't have like a favorite one that you ate
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  Speaker 1: when you were sad no.
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  Speaker 3: My favorite salad would be like french fries oh okay
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  Speaker 3: okay but we're having a sad salad because it's Hollywood
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  Speaker 3: and I was like we should have a talk show
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  Speaker 3: we need a talk show we're so funny you know
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  Speaker 3: how like how every girl sits around and they're like
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  Speaker 3: we're so funny And she was like, well, no one's
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  Speaker 3: going to give us a talk show. We're not famous.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah. But I was really into Serial,
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  Speaker 3: the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Like true crime. It was the first podcast that made
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  Speaker 3: me download the podcast. I was like, what if we
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  Speaker 3: did a podcast? And she looked at me and she goes,
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  Speaker 3: what's a podcast?
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  Speaker 1: And so I was like, hmm.
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  Speaker 3: So I pitched it. We started the show. And on
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  Speaker 3: the second episode of the show, we'd had two episodes air.
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  Speaker 3: We got a call from E. We got a call
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  Speaker 3: from a development at E. And they were like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we want to talk about this show. We'd like to
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  Speaker 3: produce it out as a digital series. And I was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: thank you. I was like, this is a television show.
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  Speaker 3: We're good. I don't know who the fuck I thought
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  Speaker 3: I was. Sorry, I don't mean to swear.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know who I thought I was, but I
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  Speaker 3: was like, nope, don't want a digital series. Because at
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  Speaker 3: the time, this was like six years ago, seven years ago,
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  Speaker 3: there was kind of like still a poo-poo on having
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  Speaker 3: a digital series or a YouTube or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, or a webisode.
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  Speaker 3: A webisode or something because you were still like, it's
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  Speaker 3: for people who can't make it on TV.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Webisodes is like, it's for people who want advertising
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  Speaker 3: dollars because that's where people put their money. But anyway,
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  Speaker 3: at the time.
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  Speaker 1: And you want to own your own thing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: At the time, it was like, eh. So we said no,
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  Speaker 3: and they were like, excuse me, what? And so then
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  Speaker 3: for two years, we hustled. And I was like, when
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  Speaker 3: we hit this many million downloads, I'm going to come
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  Speaker 3: back to you and you guys are going to give
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  Speaker 3: us a TV show. And that's what happened. We went back.
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  Speaker 3: We developed the TV show, the production company. We sold
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  Speaker 3: the show. And everything is going well. Everything's going well.
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  Speaker 3: Except then... and this is where I ruin podcasting to
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  Speaker 3: television shows, that everyone listened to our podcast and no
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  Speaker 3: one watched our television show. Like literally 0.0000008% of the
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  Speaker 3: people who weekly listen to Lady Gang tuned in to
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  Speaker 3: the show on E! We had a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: against us. Our time slot was 11.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: On Sundays.
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  Speaker 3: I got to be honest, at 11.30 p.m. on Sundays,
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  Speaker 3: I've already taken a Xanax.
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  Speaker 1: I'm asleep. So let me tell you about that. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's really interesting because I've had Someone called me,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to say they never published the article,
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: but it was after, who's the girl? Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Samantha Bee. Okay. So Samantha Bee's show, I believe, is canceled.
• 8:53
  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And so someone called me and was like, do you
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  Speaker 1: think that Late Night hates women and against women and
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood against women? And I said, no, I think that
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  Speaker 1: women go to bed. They work. They have children. They
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  Speaker 1: aren't these guys that might stay up till 1 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: to watch late night. And that's just the fact.
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  Speaker 3: You're so right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I just think that's it. And I go,
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  Speaker 1: even when we were on E!, it was a half-hour show.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a time based on when you got
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  Speaker 1: it that the latest that you could watch it, like
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  Speaker 1: we got it early because I always got the East
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  Speaker 1: Coast of it early. So we could watch it like
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  Speaker 1: seven or eight. And I think the latest that anyone
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  Speaker 1: had to watch it was 11 on the East Coast.
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  Speaker 1: And it was done by 1128. Right. Which really isn't
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  Speaker 1: that late, which is kind of the perfect thing. Get
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: into bed, turn it off. Anything later than that. So
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: an executive's listening just trust me it's not about it's
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: not about people hating women it's just not it's like
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: knowing where the audience is and I said this the
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: other day to Natasha no yeah so Natasha Legere was
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: on my show I saw I watched and um and
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: she's like thank you so much for having me on
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: your audience is so great I got such a great
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: response unlike a couple of these guy podcasts and she's
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: in the podcasting game too but A couple of guy
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: podcasts I did was just like awful. And it's not
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: the host's fault. Their audience are men. And they're never
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: going to be into you. That's just it. Like, I'm
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: never going to listen to an ESPN podcast. Never. I
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: never am. If it was the last thing, a form
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  Speaker 1: of entertainment, I wouldn't get into it. I would look
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  Speaker 1: at the stars.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%. And I also think like, I mean, what
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  Speaker 3: you've done and like even with Lady Gang, like it's,
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  Speaker 3: It's cool to be a niche thing. Like, I think
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: that being a child... Born in the 80s. I was
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  Speaker 3: a child of the 90s.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I was.
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  Speaker 3: I came of age when it was, like, all or
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: nothing celebrities. It was, like, George Clooney, Julia Roberts, Cher. Like,
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: you're either the biggest star in the world or you're nobody.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: And I feel like now, in this day and age,
• 11:09
  Speaker 3: it's like you don't actually have to matter to everyone
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: in the zeitgeist to be incredibly successful and popular. Like,
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: it's not... an all or nothing thing. But I also
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: think I'm layered up in my 18 steps in school.
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  Speaker 3: Like I do not want to be awake at 1130
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  Speaker 3: watching television. Like I, I, if I was awake at 1130,
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  Speaker 3: I would probably be a better wife and have sex
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: with my husband, but I'm too tired to do anything.
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  Speaker 3: I want to lay down. I want to take a
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  Speaker 3: sleeping pill and.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Go to sleep. So you had this, yeah, this time
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  Speaker 1: that didn't work.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we did a season and a half. So the
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: first season, um, and I work at E now. So, uh,
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  Speaker 3: You know, I love E. But the first season, it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of different people there now.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's E. I don't. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's exactly what you said. And it's like– and our
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: audience consumes content differently than they did 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: And so that's another part of it.
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: So the funniest part, and I mean this with love,
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: was like our lead-in was The Busy Phillips Show. And
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed Busy Phillips on Instagram.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And similarly to no one enjoying us, Lady Gang on TV,
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  Speaker 3: I did not enjoy her on television.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you my Busy Phillips story.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I met Busy Phillips when she was cast on
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: White Chicks, which I was a writer on and I
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: appeared on. And it was one of those days. So
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: I had to go to Canada because I was the
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: girl that was the sales girl. And she and the
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: two other girls and Sean and Marlon as the White
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  Speaker 1: Chicks come into the store.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So that's when I met her. And, you know, I
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: wrote that whole scene and wrote the scene for her
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  Speaker 1: and everything. And we hung out in the trailer together.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember I'm like, so what's your story? Tell
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: me your story. And she's like, well, I was born
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: a small white child. And I like dropped. I was like,
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: you're so funny. Like she really started from the beginning.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: And so we had this like great day and we
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: had so much fun. And then at the premiere, we
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: had fun. And then don't keep in touch or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that she ever came on Chelsea, but,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I saw all the different things that she
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  Speaker 1: was doing and that she was on the Courtney Cox
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  Speaker 1: show and this and that. And then I saw that,
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, she became quite famous
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  Speaker 1: for being Michelle's best friend after Heath Ledger died and
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: she got to be the plus one. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: And then she had some funny Instagram moments of being
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  Speaker 1: locked out of her house and all this. So she
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  Speaker 1: gets the show. And I'm like, yeah, I could see
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  Speaker 1: why E would choose her. She's like, you know, a younger,
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  Speaker 1: it's a younger, nicer, Instagram-friendly version of a blonde that
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: we originally had. Yes. So it's like, okay. And so
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  Speaker 1: I was like, congrats and everything. And totally, I could
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  Speaker 1: not get on her show. I was pitched. I think
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: I'm funny. I could have talked about hot topics. We
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: could have talked about whatever. So totally ignored with that.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: And then I think the final thing I did was
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: I thought her show was so bad that then I
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: did an impression of it. And I think I tagged
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: her and I think she was like, ha-ha or whatever.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: So she had like a good impression of it. But
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: it was just– it was very much just like, oh,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: my gosh, and, you know, that type of thing. And
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I– I also think on talk shows, and I think
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: this is kind of interesting too, and even for podcasting too,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: because I was saying to my husband, I'm like, I
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it's time that we just do something
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: different with this space.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: And I said, but I want a table. I don't
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: want to be in a fluffy chair.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Wearing anything. Indian style or having a cocktail because I
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: feel like after Chelsea Lately there was a bunch of
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: talk shows that were like let's have a cocktail let's
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: get comfy and to me as a stand up and
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: as someone that delivers material I feel like you have
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: to be like get your mind in the spot to
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: like deliver that this isn't just a low blow conversation.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: It maybe can work for a podcast just for me. Like,
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: so I didn't think it worked for her that they
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: were like lounging around on a couch and having cocktails.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I think it should be a little more
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: structured to like deliver the funny and deliver the stories
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: and stuff.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: And you know what, Heather?
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: You're just so smart, but it, it's the exact same.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm trying to hide my hands cause I
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: have a horrific spray tan hand right now. And I'm just,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: I'm hiding them under my, as.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: I hide it. And now you've said it. Now people
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: want to see it. Here it is. Um, okay.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: So here I just literally use my own spray tan
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: from Rite Aid. Um, okay. So anyway, um, What you're
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: saying about sleeping.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: About just being too loungy for a talk show situation.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: This is the same problem that happens with every celebrity
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: that start a podcast.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: They're like, I'm just going to hang out with my
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: friends and like have some real talk. And I was like, no, actually,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: the best podcasts on the planet are highly produced. She's
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: got a whole rundown. She's got a thing. There's sections.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: There's production value. You're actually boring. Hollywood is incredibly boring. People,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: in general, are boring, which is why we're watching Game
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: of Thrones like psychos. We're boring. We need other things
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: to entertain us. So sitting around just for blobbing for
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: an hour is the most boring shit I've ever seen
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: in my life, and some of these podcasts are unlistenable.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Well, when I was pitching Juicy Scoop for a new
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: home recently....
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: I would drink this water.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Yes. That's a fresh water for you. Thank you. So
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: what I would say was, I would say that I
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: pitch it. I go, listen, I know a little before
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: COVID is certainly different. Every manager and agent convinced their star.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: You just have to sit on your bed and talk
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to your dog for an hour on Tuesday nights.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: And you're going to make a million dollars.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: And you guys paid the million dollars. Idiots. I literally
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: was saying this to the network. And you paid the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: million dollars.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: How was your return on investment?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Of the 10, maybe there's one that's hanging on. And
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the rest have let that expire, let it go, whatever.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: You didn't renew it. They didn't renew it. They realized
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: how much work. They got another series. They didn't keep
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: up with this side gig. I'm like, this is my job. Right.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: You know, if someone wants to hand me a sitcom,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I'll think about it. But I'm not pursuing one. I'm
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: not pitching shows. It's just juicy scoop. So, like, you
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: might want to invest in me because I'll be Howard
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Stern until I'm 75. Exactly. So, like, what do you
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: want to put your money in? And it's just kind
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: of interesting to see it. And I love that you
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: see it, too. Because when you've done it a long time,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: it's like I want to say, I don't want to
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: be bitter Betty that everybody's doing it. And I was
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Now I'm like, the more the merrier.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: You're bringing awareness. There's still people that have never downloaded
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: a podcast. So if they go because they want to
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: listen to Meghan Markle and they realize how that maybe
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: isn't for them, then maybe eventually they'll make it a
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: way to the, okay, what are these big good ones
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: that people talk about? Let me listen to Joe Rogan
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and Juicy Scoop and Lady Gaga. Okay, let me find
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the good ones that have been around. You know, NPR, whatever.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: So it's like, so I kind of see it like that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And at the same time, I'm like, it also, if
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: you are just someone that wants to do it because
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you do have that girlfriend across the street, maybe a
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: hundred people will listen, but what a great chronicling of
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: your life. Like if it is about motherhood or whatever,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: and you have it and you look back, or maybe
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you do it for a year and you put it away.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And then a year, you know, two years later, you
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: listen to it and you're like, whoa, I just thought
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: of a really good book I could write.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I'm sorry, I'm still steaming that Busy
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: didn't put you on her show. I'm sorry, this whole time,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I'm listening to the story, I'm agreeing with you, you're
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: absolutely right, Meghan Markle's podcast is less than desirable. But,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: and I love Meghan, but I'm still pissed about her.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Motherfucker, that bitch. No, but I mean, again... I don't know.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Like it could have been, it could have also been like,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: we're going for big stars.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Or, Hey, I have so much pressure.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Also E has never had me on since Chelsea lately ended.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Then they had me on to do nightly pop. Right.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to do three days. Yeah. And then
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: after the first day they told my agent that I'm
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: fired for the three. What happened? I don't know. They
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: paid me for the three days. It wasn't easy, but
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I did get paid for it. But when I got
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: there and the guy was like, I'm so excited that
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you're here. I've been trying to get you on for
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a while. I looked at him and I'm like, yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I haven't been on in seven years. I've had two specials.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I hit podcasts. I've been pitched. I'm thinking, well, I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: guess whoever hated me is gone now.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Because the networks do, the executives and the people in charge,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: they do turn over quite quickly.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And they have something. When people go like, are you
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: banned or whatever– The banning continues. just be one person. Right, sure.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: It's not like 100 people got together in a room
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and voted and said, we're not going to ever have
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Heather McDowell work in this town again. It doesn't work
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: like that. But there are definitely places, like I've had
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: publicists and stuff, or someone's come to me and been like,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I want to be your publicist, and I'm like, If
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you can get me on The View or The Talk,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: then I'll hire you for six months because I can't
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: get on either one of those shows.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Because they could really use you on The Talk.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Because they say no every time. And then I did
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that as an experiment. Yeah. And the girl came back
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah. And I go, do you know why?
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Like– Like if I was going to die tomorrow, I'd
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: be like, I would like, there's a few things I'd
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: like to know. Like, and this is one of them.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's just whatever the thing is. Someone doesn't
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: like me on it. Someone thinks I'm too recognizable as
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a Chelsea Lately. I don't know what it is and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I don't care anymore.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: in-store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or free
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: click and collect.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So easy.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: the Emmys and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I need a home dad.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: What happens next?
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: When I came in, he started crying.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: happens next.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: You're worth the work.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I just don't care anymore because of the success of this.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I don't care anymore. I do love having a car
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: pick me up. I do like buying a new outfit.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I like being on TV with the perfect lighting. I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: like watching myself that night on my DVR. I kind
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of miss it. But I'm also accepting that it doesn't
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: really matter anymore. And if you don't want me, it's fine.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Well, this happened to me a few years ago. So
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I stepped away from working. I was at Entertainment Tonight
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: and The Insider at CBS for over a decade. And
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I got to a point where Lady Gang was so big.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, when we were doing Lady Gang TV, which
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: is why it's, like, so traumatic for me, we were
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: getting up at 4 in the morning, doing hair and makeup.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: We filmed it in my house, filming Lady Gang TV
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: from 7 a.m.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Till noon.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Then I was going into E.T., doing E.T., and then
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: coming back and podcasting at night with the girls in
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: my closet. Like, it was just an insane schedule, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I was doing so many things.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: So when you were doing the TV version— So you
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: weren't using any material that you would then use for
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the actual podcast.
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: No.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It had to be separate. Yeah, two shows a week.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: So it was like extra shows. Yeah, extra shows. We
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: had celebrity guests like in a bigger way on the
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: show show.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it. I remember it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: It was just a mess.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I thought it was like a pretty cute situation. Like
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I thought it was cute. I thought it was like
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: well lit. I thought it like made sense.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Heather. You know, it's crushing on TikTok right now.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I started putting up the old clips.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Of the show and nothing's more and more popular.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Were so viral of all these old clips.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Will you mark down? I just came across some old
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: videos of me on Chelsea lately.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: You have to put them up. People love that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And cause he took them all down.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I shouldn't say this anyway, but anyway, I have
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a couple. You should put them up.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: It's amazing. They do so well. And like, they never
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: put our show in streaming or anything. So it's just dead.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, no one sued me yet. So I
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: just keep putting them up.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Um, but yeah. So anyway, when I left DT, um,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: people were like what my parents were like what do
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: you mean you're quitting your television job to then work
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: in your basement on your podcast that we don't know
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: what that is like they looked at me like you're
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: losing your mind and it's just it sucks and you
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: miss it and you're like oh i'm not on the
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: red carpet feeling like i'm important anymore and all the
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: fake shit that goes with hollywood that actually is like
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: really fun like the free facials and like all that
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: shit goes away But being in control and never, you
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: know when people are like, do you want a facial?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, like always.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: No, and like going to those.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Like gifting sweets and the free shoes and all that
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: shit that like, you know.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And yeah, when the Emmys come around and stuff, that
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: was a fun time. And being on Chelsea and stuff,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: we did a lot of that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I did like an E!
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: After Show. Right.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: So that kind of stuff, like you kind of miss.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: And then you're following everyone on Instagram, which I then
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: blocked it. Not blocked everyone.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Muted.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Muted everyone because it was like. makes you jealous I
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: didn't have enough therapy sessions to like deal with all
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: that so but when I left like everyone was like
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: what are you talking about I was like I really
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: believe in this I believe I can do my own
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: thing that I'll have the power that when I want
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: to take three weeks off during the holidays and go
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: to an island I will like I can pre-tape the
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: episodes like just having that freedom because I worked every
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Christmas every New Year's on my birthday the day after
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I had a miscarriage like every single fucking day you
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: had to work for someone else and you work for
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: their brand and I just I loved doing my own thing,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: which is why like I have so much respect for
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: what you've done because, you know, like to be honest,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: like screw those shows that won't book you. They're idiots.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: You're great television. And also some of those shows, not
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the view I would maybe say about the talk is
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: not to me in the most interesting part. It's like
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: they need a little fire. People are so afraid. I
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: think people are very still, very afraid of women who
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: speak their mind and are loud and podcasting. People love it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: So you're like, yes.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Well, let's see because there's actually– An audition for the talk.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: No, I'm– Jerry's leaving.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I'm with Sony.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: And they said– and one of the reasons I went
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: with them is just– because I think they're great and
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it's just a good deal for me. Yeah. But I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: do everything myself. Right. But I said– So if somebody
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: is bothering to listen, I said, let's see. And they said,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: why are you thinking about going somewhere else? I said,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I just think more people should know who I am. Yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I just don't get why nobody knows who I am.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And they were like, OK, we want to do that
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: for you. So then I talked to their PR person.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: We'll see. So far, so far, nothing's come. OK, so no, no.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: has asked me and I said you could pitch me
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to Tamara Hall you could pitch me to Jay had
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: to talk about women in podcasting and how to do
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it and why like I said like the good things
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: about it and that you shouldn't be intimidated and like
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: but also to be honest like you're not going to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: make money unless you have a certain amount of people
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: listening but it can still be something that just like
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: journaling or posting online like it still can be a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: great way of getting your creativity juices going and And
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: all that. And so far, I don't know. I don't
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: know if they're going to pick. But like I'm a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: little bit jaded about that stuff. So I'm kind of like, hey,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: if nothing happens, I still like this deal.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Because my people can still listen and I still do
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: my extra juicy scoop on Fridays and there's still all
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: But I'm just so like, like nobody's ever going to.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just very unlikely to believe anybody's song and dance
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: about what they can do for me because I've just
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: done it so long. And that's why I love having
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: my own thing. And then talking about the Balenciaga thing,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'll talk about it. And I don't
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: really care. And there have been times even when I've
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: censored myself. That I'm not going to censor myself anymore about.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, isn't it interesting that we can now
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: talk about this thing that we couldn't talk about 18
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: months ago. Now we can talk about it? Oh, now
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: we're allowed.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Now we're not evil, awful people that thought differently from you.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Now you're like, hmm, I just won't. But the people
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that thought you were evil talking about it, they'll never go, hey,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I was wrong.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Of course not.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: But they just won't attack what you're saying now.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: They'll just be like. Oh, okay.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: You were right.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Let me eat this crow.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: And that's okay.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's great. I think what you've
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: done is amazing. And, you know, it's just, it's a
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: testament to just working hard and being in control of
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: your own thing and that it's pretty ugly most of
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the time, but, like, actually has a ray of sunshine.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Being that it's been the three of you, was there
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: ever a time because... Truffles are tough.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Whether it's sexual or not. And has there ever been
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: a time where you didn't think that you could power
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: through as a truffle?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: A thruple. Not a truple. A truple?
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: That's like a 13 people.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Trouble and a thruple. No, a thruple business women, three
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of you.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be honest. We were just about to celebrate
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: seven years and for six years, people used to ask
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: this question all the time. We'd be like, we don't
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: really fight. We're like brutally honest with each other and
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: like whatever happens, we just nip it in the bud
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: and like it goes. And then we went on tour
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and this year was a year of just maniac level Kelty-isms.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: So we had like multiple really big brand deals and
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: podcasting crazy. Beck had a new baby via surrogate. So
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: the baby like came into our world in February. She
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: took four weeks off and then it was like, go
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: time to prep for this tour.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: So tell me what the tour was. When did it start?
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: So we started in September. We wrote our second book. Okay.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: And the book is called Lady Secrets. It's really freaking good.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: It's all these essays about us of like when I
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: went on The Bachelor to get a hosting career and
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: it didn't work. I got kicked out of on the
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: second night because I'm not that desirable. And like all
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: these really funny essay stories, kind of like your books.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: And then we also have Community secrets. We asked the
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: lady gang. We had a hotline, 1-844-SEXY-LADY. And people called
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: in and they were like, I pretend to fall asleep
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: because I hate my in-laws. I catfished my husband into
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: marrying me by pretending to be someone shitty online. Just
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: weird stuff.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we put it together.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: It's awesome.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: And so we did this big book tour because we
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: were supposed to do a book tour for our first book.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: It all got canceled because of COVID. And we're like,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: we will be rock stars on the bus. So we
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: did the whole thing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Now, how did you do all this? Because you were
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: just asking me how I do my tour. And I've
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: always toured, gone to clubs starting over like 12 years
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: ago is kind of what I started headlining 12, 13
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: years ago. Around then. And I would book a weekend
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: at a club, like a Thursday, and then I'd come
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: home on a Sunday or whatever. And then when Chelsea landed,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I'd do it a little bit more. But my husband
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and I were always like, I really don't want to
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: go more than twice a weekend. But sometimes they'd be
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: back-to-back weekends. Sometimes it'd be three. But I'd really try
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to only do two weekends a month. What do I mean?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Two weekends a month. And so with this last one,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to do a live Juicy Scoop
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: tour where I'm not going to record it. I'm not
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: going to post it. It's going to be this great thing.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I want Annie, who produces my show, to come with me.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: But what I originally told my agent was like, but
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I want to do it like a real tour where
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like gone for two weeks. I never set a bus. Yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: But I thought like where I could go Wednesday one city,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Thursday another, Friday. So I maybe have like a night
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: or two to relax, but then do like five more cities.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And just be gone for like two and a half weeks.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Don't even come home in between. Have the outfits. Get
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the routine going. And I don't even know how you
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: book things. I know my agent works really hard. It
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: just didn't make sense to get the big cities. And
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: then I thought, oh, yeah, maybe it would be hard
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: to get a bunch of people to come out on
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: a Wednesday. I don't know. Whatever. It is. Yes. So
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: we did it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Or how about a Monday in Phoenix?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So, like, okay, I want to hear about yours. So
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the way we did it was we would do two
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: or three cities in a weekend. Yeah. And then– but
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: we did it over September, October, November. And we would
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: have some time to come home and we'd have weekends off. Okay.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Now it's done.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: So I never had that tour thing, but you guys
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: actually got a bus.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: We had a bus.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Did you have a tour guide person that came with
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you the whole time?
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Well, we have a very like senior producer of Lady
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Gang who oversees everything and she came on the bus
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: with us. And then we had also an assistant who
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: came on the bus. And then we had a tour
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: manager that was working remotely, like advancing the cities and
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: getting what you need in the dressing room and what
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: kind of lighting you need. And then we had a
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: trailer full of merchandise and our whole setup and our
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: brand setups. And we literally hauled that shit around.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: America by ourselves. So you had a bus and a
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: trailer and you slept on the bus?
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: We slept on the bus. We did not have the
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: budget for hotels.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Did you have the bus wrapped thing, Lady Gang?
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: I wish.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: It's $ 40, 000. That was my dream. I tried to get
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: a brand to pay for it. I was like, literally,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: it can be like, WaxYourButthole.com plus the Lady Gang tour. Like,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: please just give me $ 40, 000.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: No.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: It's very expensive. The bus is very expensive. But, so
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: we slept on the bus. And then what kind of
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: venues did you do? So, we really, thanks for bringing
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: it up. It's like really traumatic. We really fucked ourselves. So,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: we normally were doing like city wineries, which is like 200, 300, 1,000 seats.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: But then this one, I just graduated to theaters. But still,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I was, Conscious of how big the theater could be.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest one was Wilbur at like 1,100.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But most of them were not. And if they're a
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: little bit smaller, like a 500, then I did two
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: shows in the night. Yes.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: And that's probably because you've been touring for 15 years
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: and amazing. So we also played the Wilbur.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: And I think we did about 400, 500 tickets. It's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: like an 1,100 seat theater. So that's super embarrassing. They
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: like closed off the top. I mean, we got placed in, like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: we sold out the Gramercy in New York, which is
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: 400 seats. That's perfect for us. But we had a
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: bunch of theaters that were, like, 800 seats. And we're like, well,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: even if we sell, like, 600 tickets, it'll be fine.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: And then everyone and their mother went on tour this fall.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Both of us were on tour. So many artists. And, like,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: people are still not really leaving their houses. You know what.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I also noticed is even if we were sold out,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: people didn't come. They just decided not to come that night.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And I think it's, like, a different vibe. Also, I mean,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: my audience... Our mothers, some are older and some are
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: young that want to stay home. And I just think
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the day comes and they're like, I'm not feeling it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Or my friend can't go. And I'd always, we'd always
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: encourage that juicy scooper to come alone.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Because we're like, you will be sitting, you will meet
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: so many other people. But so here I did sell
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: it out and there'd be like empty seats in front.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, God, I never saw that before COVID.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: It's really weird. So it was like, there was, there
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: was so much pressure on us. So then the sales
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: were like fine. Like I'm just going to say they
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: were fine. They were COVID fine, I guess. The book
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: sales were pretty dismal. Like we just had a first
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: book come out. It made the New York Times list,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: made the USA Today. like it made the Toronto Star list,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: like it was really successful, which is why they wanted
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: us to write a second book. And people were like,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: we don't need another book from you. So the book
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: sales were like really tragic. And so it was like
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: all of the most negative things were happening to us
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: at the same time while we were together, while I
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: ripped Becca Tobin away from her newborn.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: So how much time was spent altogether on, To hit
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: all these 15 cities.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: So we had three weeks.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: And, like, by the end of it, Jack and Becca
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: were like, I'm just going to fly into this city. Like,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not riding the bus with you. And it got
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: to the point where it was– I mean, once we
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: didn't make the New York Times list and I had
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: an epic meltdown on the street in Atlanta and, like, cried,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: then we could laugh after that. And so then from
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: that point on, like, we kind of had fun. But
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: it was just really stressful. And it's like, you know,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I think you feel the same way, which is why
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: I really– admire what you're doing is like, you actually
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: really care about your fans. Like for me, I don't want,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: we call them the lady gangers. Like, we don't want
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: those girls to come and not have the best show
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: of their life. We want the best merch, the best freebies,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: the best screen stuff. Like we want them to like
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: really have a good time and meet friends and like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: you know, don't spend the money and then just be like, Oh,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: that was okay. Like you want it to be amazing.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: And so we put so much pressure on ourselves and like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I actually really care if people walk out and they're like, yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: it was fine. Like, no, I need you to have
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: a five star experience. I want you to love this.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: And just doing like a Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: shows like it's too much. We needed time to live
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: and experience a bad Chick-fil-A. I mean, I don't know Chick-fil-A,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: but experience life or something. Because what are we talking about?
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? There's nothing new going on.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: And so it was pretty bad. We had a really rough...
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I do want to.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Say, though, I mean, I admire your honesty about it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And that is life and to reflect on it. And
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because I know a lot of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: people do the live... Podcast shows and stuff. And I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: have said, as someone who's a stand-up who brings another
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: stand-up with me to do it, I was like, what
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: are these other shows doing? Because I'm like, besides me, like.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: like for like 12 hours before I'm putting in all
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: these hot topics and do all this stuff. And then I'm,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I'm saving juicy stories that I only will tell there.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: And like, yeah, I do think I did a great job. Yeah. Um,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: but I'm a perfectionist about it. Like I'm not a
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: perfectionist about my home. I'm not a super neat person.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not like perfectionist about other cooking or anything, but
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the show I am. So it's like, if you know, if, um,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: if I wasn't happy, I would be, I'd be bummed.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I was happy in the end. I was very happy
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: with the result of it. But like, it is a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: lot harder than people think.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: It's so much work. And I really, it really like
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: just PSA to everyone that listens and loves a podcast. Podcasters, shockingly,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: are just humans.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I know it's revolutionary, but like we say shit that
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: comes out wrong and we maybe don't think it comes
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: out wrong in that moment. But then listening back like
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: three weeks later, you're like, oh, I don't know if
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I should have said that. Or we also like need
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: sleep and we're not perfect. And like, maybe you didn't
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: like the psychic that we brought on. Like, Maybe you
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: don't like the color green when you made a sweatshirt
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: in green. Like, I'm sorry. I am a human being
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: on this planet. Like, we are doing our best. We are,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: you know, like people, we have a segment on our
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: show called Good Week, Bad Week. And people will like
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: DM and be like, I heard your bad week. And
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I just want to let you know that cucumbers are
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: not a vegetable. They're a fruit. I heard you talking
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: about like, I mean, not that, but like, just like
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: getting after us for the stupidest shit. And I was like, hi.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: Hi.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to be an adult. I'm trying
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: to keep myself alive. I can't even keep a plant alive.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: That's why I don't have children. Like, done. You know, like,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: let's just give me grace.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: So what was the final show?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Where did you.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: What was the final show?
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: We finished the show in.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Denver, Colorado, which we flew to.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: At the end of September?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: At the end of, in mid-November.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: So we had, Oh, so you did have a break.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: We had bus, and then we had, yeah, those ones
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: were fine. We had bus, and then we had Phoenix, LA,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: and Denver that we flew to like three weeks later. Oh,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: you got rid of the bus. Yeah, we got rid
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: of the bus in Houston. Houston was our last bus show,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: and it was, was like, literally you should have been
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: on the street after the show, everyone, because I was like,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: do you need a rack for your clothing? Here you go.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Do you need like some bedding? Like I was just
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: giving away pillows off the bus. Cause I was like,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I planned this whole tour so perfectly down to a T.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Where are you staying? What are you doing? And then
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: we got to like three days before last date and
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Becca looks at me and she goes, how are we
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: getting all this shit home? And I was like, I
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: actually never thought about that.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: We need extra merch and stuff.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Everything that was left over, like the flower baskets and
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: the back. We had director's chairs.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, because you brought like a set.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: And we had it all delivered to Chicago for the
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: first show. And then we ended up in Houston. I
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: was like, how do I get this home? So I
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: had to hire a guy with a van to like
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: drive it for 47 hours. I have a giant vagina
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: chart because we did this like name that lady part
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: like game. So we pulled up this giant vaginas that
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: was named one through 15. And then we had three
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: straight guys come on stage. And, like, they get to
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: win merch if they could name things correctly, which, by
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: the way, nobody, literally nobody knows where anything but the
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: asshole is, which says so much about so many things. Anyway,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: so we had this giant vagina, and we're like, I'm like,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: how am I getting the giant vagina back to L.A.? Like,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: you can't fly with a giant vagina. Anyway, so, I mean,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: you probably could. We didn't.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I hired a guy.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Anyway, it was a disaster. I'm so glad it's over.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: I've never had more tears. I've had so much therapy
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: about it. We're good now. Lady Gang will continue, but
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I think the fans picked up on it because they're like, um,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: And when I announced– I just went back to Entertainment News.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: So I started on E! News just as a correspondent.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: And people were like, does this mean what I think
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: it means? Lady Gang is over? And I was like, oh, shit.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: They picked up on the tension. No, we're fine. Lady
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Gang is fine. We're going to be okay.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: So now the three of you get together and you
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: do one show a week?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: We do two shows a week. And so we, sometimes
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Becca lives in Austin now. She'll come to L.A. and
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: we'll sit in our studio and do a bunch of
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: episodes or we'll do them on Zoom, you know. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: we don't really have guests anymore. Like, we just kind
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: of do us. Every once in a while we'll have
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: a guest, which, by the way, you need to come on.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: So, you know, like every once in a while we'll
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: have someone if they're funny and great. But, like, we
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: just got burned by having, like, actors who are like,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I'm an actor. Just ask me about my acting. And
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: you're like, boring. So I would just rather have like
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: reality stars, bachelor people, like that kind of stuff.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: A psychic.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: We have a really good money episode coming out after
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: the holidays from this amazing TikToker called You're Rich BFF.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: And she tells you all the things to do with
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: your money so that you can be rich.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: That kind of stuff really helps.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: That's a stuff that's like really important. And especially for
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: women and in a way that women can understand.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: You know? Yes, we do a lot of that. Because
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: it's like the amount of times that someone's boyfriend tried
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to explain the stock market or crypto to you and
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: you just are like... Yeah. But... If you can get someone.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: To– I'm like, hey, get this credit card because in
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: one year you'll have enough points to fly to Tahiti.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Like that's what I need to know.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Like actually my son, he's 20 and he is a
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: finance major and he explains stuff better than my husband
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: can to me. And so he's like, mom, this is
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: why you should do this. And, you know, he's like, well,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you could do– you could invest this yourself. I go, well,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: why don't you just do it? Yeah. I'm like, I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: trust you more. Like, at least I know it's not
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: going to go like it's not going to disappear. It
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't make that much money. Who cares? But like, fine,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: if you want to really take this little chunk of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: money and see what you can do with it. And,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: you know, because it doesn't. It like never really interests
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: me and it's always kind of scares me. It's so scary.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I know that it's important. So I love that. Yeah.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Tell me about your other show that you created. This
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: is exciting.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I'm just doing lots of things.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Tell me about Superfan. Is it available to watch now? No.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: So Superfan is a show format that I created. I
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: sold it with my partner Jodi a couple years ago
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: to CBS. We filmed it in April. It's going to
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: air right– actually, wait. I can't tell you when it's
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: going to air. It's going to air– Early 2023.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, great. On CBS?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: On CBS, primetime. And it's a music series. We have
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: six episodes. And my husband's music manager. And if I
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: had any talent, I would be in a band, 100%.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: My only talent was sleeping with guys in bands. But
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I have no musical talent, and I'm tone deaf. But
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: I've always wanted to live that band lifestyle, hence why
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: we got the tour bus. So it's called Superfan.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Wait, I also want to say, if you were to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: go back... Was the tour bus not a wise idea?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Would it have been better if you guys would have
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: flown just to hotels?
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: What we should have done is hired someone to drive
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: the trailer to each city and we should have flown
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: and been in nice hotels because it's like, You can't
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: poop on a tour bus. I pooped my pants on
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: like the third day of tour. It was disgusting. Heather,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: your face.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: No.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: For real?
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Like a load in your underwear.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to eat gluten. And we were in
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: fucking somewhere in Ohio. There was nothing but a Jimmy John's.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: We all ate sandwiches. I was like, I know that
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: my stomach's going to get upset, but I didn't know
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: how upset. And we were wearing these pink sweatsuits. And
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Jack made three pink sweatsuits just for the three lady gang.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: We did black for like everyone else that wanted to
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: buy them.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: We're in black.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: So we had three special sweatsuits. And I was like,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: we're trying to go to Target or something to get something.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: And I was like, can we hurry up? Jax takes
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: so long to get ready. She's never ready on time.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: But can we go? I'm going to poop my pants.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, no, I am going to
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: poop my pants. I walked out. I picked up a
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: cardboard box from beside the trailer. And I ran into
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: the corner. But I didn't make it in time. I
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: pooped all over my sweatpants. I had to take them off.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Becca videoed me the whole time. She played it at
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the shows for everyone to watch. And it was fucking terrible.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: That's the lemonade out of the lemons.
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: Anyway.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: That's the cherry on the shit ice cream.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: It really is.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: They got a little something out of it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: So anyway, Superfan is, CBS don't listen to that part.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Superfan is like essentially, so the show essentially is like
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Shania Twain. I'm the biggest Shania Twain fan. I grew
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: up in Canada. Shania Twain comes on. She's on the show.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Five of her biggest fans, we've scoured the country, and
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: they all compete to be named the number one superfan
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: of Shania Twain through musical challenges, through trivia, through guessing
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: what Shania would do in a situation. Shania performs. The
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: fans do an epic lip sync. America votes and then
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: we crown the number one super fan and the super
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: fan gets this like once in a lifetime thing. Like
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: we had Gloria Estefan on the show who's incredible and
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: just like I want her to be my mom. Her
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: prize is like all this stuff. You get the conga
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: from the conga video. You get this like giant portrait
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: and then you get to like go to her house.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: She's like you're going to come to Miami. You're going
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: to come to my house. You can pick which house.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: She's got two. Right on the water, yeah.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Vero Beach or Miami Beach. Come to my house. I'm
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: going to cook you dinner. You're going to have dinner
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: with the whole family. So the prizes are like LL
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Cool J's on it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: The prizes are really for a super fan.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Everything you'd want.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: The experience. LL Cool J's like, I'm going to pick
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: you up in LA in one of my cars. We're
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: going to drive down the Pacific Coast Highway. I'm going
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: to play you track by track my new album before
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: anyone else hears it. And I'm going to tell you
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: the story behind each song. Now, do the cameras follow
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: that or no?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: They will. OK.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: But eventually. But we're not airing yet. So when they air,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: we definitely and then there'll be a little update in
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: the next season.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: This one I have a good feeling about a season two.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: And then when does Superfan podcast version come out?
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's such a good idea, Heather. Would you,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: do you have time in your life to maybe produce
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: that out?
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: You know, make that a thing. I have enough jobs.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: So I had no jobs.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, I better get creative
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: and make some jobs. So now I have too many
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: jobs again, which is what I like, but it also
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: feeds my mania. So I have to like maybe calm
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: down a little bit. So I'm going to have no
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: new jobs.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Okay. I don't think it would actually work, to be honest.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And not for TV. It could be a fun thing
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: to do if YouTube wanted to do it. It would
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: have to be a platform that Has podcast consumers on it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's regular TV.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: But I think Facebook Live or YouTube, listen to me,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I think it would be good for them.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: It would be really cute.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: To do it. And then, you know, and you have like,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: you know, the Burt Kreischer. You have the Lady Gang.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: You guys. You have someone for me.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: You have a crime person.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Crime junkie.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or the My Favorite Murderer.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: You have the smartest guys.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Exactly.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: The smartest guys.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And you have like 10 of them, Dax Shepard, whatever.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: That would be really cute.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: It's a really fun format. And actually like my highlight
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: of my year was that I got to go to
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: this thing called MIPCOM in France is where you go
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: when you have a show format and you get to
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: sell it all over the world. So I get to
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: sit for two days and I met with like every
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: country in the world and their television stations. And we
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: already sold Superfan in two countries and have a third
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: on the way. So they'll be like Superfan Italy, Superfan Greece,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Superfan Australia. And so for me, I'm really only making
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: shows that are formats because that allegedly is how you
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: get rich.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: So I'm like when people are like, we should do
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: reality shows.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: How can we make this a competition show that also
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: works in India?
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: In Ireland.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So that's my new goal.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Good for you. You're smart, girl. Now, when you have
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: these other huge successes that could possibly happen to you,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: is there ever a part of you that's like, there
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: may come a time where I'm like... Out of Lady Gang?
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I'm done with Lady Gang. Or do you make a
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: commitment to each other as a throuple podcasting trio? We
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: will never... stop doing lady gang, no matter how many
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: kids someone has, no matter how many millions another person
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: has will never stop. Or does each year or two,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: like you guys have a sit down and like, say,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: what are our goals? Do you have anything like that? I.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: It's such a good question and I will bring it
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: up in therapy tomorrow. Thank you for prefacing that. I, I,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I, I, I think there's an end
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: for everything, but I don't feel like we're anywhere close
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: to it. And my whole thing is like, I just
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: turned 40 and I'm like, I really have this goal
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: for myself. That's like freedom 45. Like I, I see
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: myself at 45, like having these formats. working around the
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: world having the podcast and like not being on television
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I would like to get a neck lift like I
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: would like to like hide in. take my husband to
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: an island and like live far away from people and
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: just have goats and like raise my own animals and
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: things like that. So like podcasting is the thing you
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: can do from anywhere.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: So you'd be stupid to give that up because TV
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: is so fickle. There's like seasons where you can't get
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: anything made on TV. And then there's seasons where you're like,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, look at all these networks that are mad
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: that I'm on the other network. Like that's a blessing,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: And also if there's another, um, pandemic. Right.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, nothing was better than being a
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: podcaster in the pandemic.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: That Coca-Cola money, people are pulling out of television, giving
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: it to the podcast. Yeah. But, you know, I just,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: I don't think we're there yet. I think this 2023
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: is going to be a year where we really pull back.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Do you think you'll ever go on tour again with
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: the Lady Gang?
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I never want to go on tour again. I'm never
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: writing another book, and I will never tour again. But
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I would do what you did. Like, I'd do fly-out
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: dates and, like, go one, two. But it's just like...
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I actually hate people. Like I don't like even being
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: around other people. I don't, my husband is like basically mute,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: which is why we've stayed married. Like I don't like
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: being around people. So being around people 24 seven was
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: like really hard for me.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: So I don't like, I mean, I like the fans
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: and I like meeting them, but that's also like, Oh
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: my God, what if I'm disappointing? What if I don't smile?
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: What if I look tired? What if I'm yawning? Like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to yawn when I meet
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: someone and then go home and I'll count the yawn.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: So much pressure.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Now, um, You mentioned Shawn Mendes.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, Mendes. Shawn Mendes. Well, I was talking about touring.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: So it's very cool that you were doing double shows
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: in cities and stuff because no one can sell a
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: ticket right now. Taylor Swift is basically the only person
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: that can sell a ticket. I know firsthand there was
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: a client that a friend of mine worked with very closely,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: a huge major artist that has hit songs on the radio,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: and they put up a show at an arena in
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: And it sold five tickets. Like the first 24 hours
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: when you put up a show are like you're literally
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: an arena for five, five tickets. And they had to
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: cancel the show like an arena, like what you thought
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: an arena tour would do. Like, I mean, I think
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: it wasn't an arena like the Bombers, but it was like,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: you know, one of those hometown Charlotte arenas or whatever.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Ten thousand. And and because I was crying all the time,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: like about our tour tickets selling like, you know, because
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: not every city was a home run. And, uh, and
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh my God, I'm such a failure.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: And my husband who works in the music business was like,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: let me tell you a story about a tour that
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: we just had go out and like five tickets and
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: had to cancel. And that made, did make me feel better.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, is it true? Maybe he was lying probably,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: but just the ability to sell tickets is so hard.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: And I was saying Shawn Mendes canceled his tour and like, listen,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: I'm a huge mental health advocate. My brother is bipolar
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: and I've talked a lot about this on the podcast
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: and my struggle with him throughout my whole life. And like,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: And if it was for mental illness, I believe that.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: But I do believe a lot of these tours are
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: getting canceled just because people can't sell tickets. Maybe mixed
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: with the stress of that because that's got to be
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: really hard on your mental illness. But everyone went on
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: tour this fall, and there's only so much money in
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: people's pockets and nights available during the week to go
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: see a show.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think that's true. And then– so I
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: just saw something. I don't know if it's true because
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: somebody sent it to me, and it was like a
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: weird– Publication I heard of. Yeah. But that Shawn Mendes
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: is dating his female chiropractor.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: I saw that too.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I just love. That's just such a weird story. First
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: of all, I'm one of my kinks. Yeah. Which I
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: don't think it's been diagnosed as a kink, but I
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: think it should. It's watching chiropractic videos.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll settle in and I will watch like. 10,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: 15 minutes. Wow.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: It doesn't freak you out?
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: No, but I.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: It's like the Dr. Pimple Popper for you.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: But I don't... Yeah, I don't like pimple popping. Yeah.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I like just.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Do you go to the chiropractor? I....
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: My other... But my... As much as I love to
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: watch a chiropractic video, I have a fear of being...
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: My biggest fear in life is being a quadriplegic or
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: being paralyzed. Okay.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: So.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I kind of don't want to fuck with it as
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: much as I love it, love watching it. I went
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to it once about a year and a half ago
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: to my favorite chiropractor watching videos. He's really cute, OC chiropractor. Okay.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: And he did a great job.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: You're scared? Did you get paralyzed from the chiropractor?
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Believe me, there's a story or two out there. Okay, sure, sure, sure.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Not from the OC chiropractor, not from anybody.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: And I mean, more like I want to ask him,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Do you, like, how do you know what to do? Like,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: do you feel on your fingertip like a pop? Like,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I more, like, want to know, how do you know?
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Because I have also self, grew up self-cracking, okay? Self-cracking,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: there's a word for it.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Like, I could self-crack.
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: Oh, wow.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: And then when my kids were little.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd crack them.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I would crack them. Fun. And then one day, one
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: of them was like, I don't want to do that
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: weird thing that we do anymore. And it felt, like, very, like,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: weird to me. Yeah.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do that thing we're doing anymore, mommy.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: But they can do it. Like they can go like,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I have two boys and they can do like that.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm so jealous because I can't do my neck
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: or anything. But anyway, I could see how you could
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: be attracted to your chiropractor is my point. But it's
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: kind of a physical thing.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's intimate.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: And someone's like, you know, if this was like a
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: 35-year-old male chiropractor and a 26-year-old female or whatever, not
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: that it was like a big age difference. And then
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: they started dating. People would be like, was this grooming?
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: What did this sick fuck try to do? Like, it's
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: just so funny when it's the other way around. And
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: then also people don't think that he's entirely straight.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: So they thought that was interesting. I, Shawn Mendes is,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: and I just want to say this for everyone. I've
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: met him and interviewed him many times. He's lovely. And he's,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: he truly is just Canadian. He's, and I mean that
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: with love. Like, listen, I don't know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: That is so funny. That could be your new game show.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Is he gay or just Canadian?
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I, I think it's like, I think it's like,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not my business, but whether he is
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: or is, is he isn't, but like I grew up
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: in Northern Canada. And so I, I understand like the
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: kindness and softness that comes with, you're either like a
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: fucking hockey player or you're Shawn Mendes growing up in the,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: you're in band. Like I've dated those guys. Like you're just,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: you're just, artsy and it's like so weird like my
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: best friend Jeff is kind of similar and he's just
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: so nice and he's just like when you see him
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: on the carpet he's like hi how are you doing
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: and you're like oh and you're like you know you're
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: used to like two chains rolling up and like grunting
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: at you you know what I mean so it's like
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know I think he's just lovely but I
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: think that if he's getting it on with a chiropractor
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: I will say it's the right ages because isn't if
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: she's that age I don't know what age she is
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: yeah I mean she looked cute there's a photo of
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: her cracking him And so I don't know. Can you
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: look up their age? When you're that famous, there's no
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: one around you. I was actually just in Mexico City
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: a few weeks ago and with my husband with one
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: of his clients and he played a festival for like 100,000
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: people in the middle of Mexico City.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: It was massive.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: And he's a huge artist. And it's really crazy because like.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: It's very much that scene in the Bradley Cooper, Lady Gaga,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Star is Born when Bradley finishes the concert and they
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: put him in the black car and then he's all
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: alone and it's silent.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: He's 24 and she's 50.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's a lot. Wait, what?
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: 24?
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: And she's 50? Mm-hmm.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: 50.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: I'm 50 years old. Remember that?
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Let me crack my back just now
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: thinking about it. What?
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like this can't be true. Anyway, point being
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: is that when you're that famous, you're very isolated. You
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: spend a lot of time alone in hotels to the car,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: to the bus, to the car, to the hotel, to
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: the plane. And you're like, it's just your little entourage
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: around you. It's very difficult to meet new people unless
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: you're having some handler of yours be like, go find
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: me a girl in the audience tonight. Because you can't
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: get with fans. They're going to tell everyone. So it's
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: like you get limited on like, It has to be
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: another star set up by your publicist or your DMs.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Or if you're Sean and you're just like a nice guy,
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: who are you meeting? You're meeting the people that are
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: doing your catering, your stylist, assistant, and the chiropractor. Like,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: it makes sense to me.
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: I have.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, so your new job at E. Yeah. Will you...
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: You're not doing red carpet anymore. You are.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: For, like, Oscars. You'll be there. Yeah.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: So I'm doing– it's really cool. I took this position
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: and they were like, what do you want to call yourself?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, chief correspondent.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: And as the chief correspondent, I get to decide which–
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: so basically, like, I get a month's schedule of, like,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: who's coming to town, who's doing press. And then I
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: can say, oh, like, I want to do this Will
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Smith event. I want to do this Harrison Ford event.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: I want to do this sit-down with Mandy Moore. Like,
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: I can pick which interviews I would like to do
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: and then– pass on like the Dancing with the Stars
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: red carpet no offense to Dancing with the Stars I'm
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: good you're just a little over that I've done it
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I did it for 10 years like it's just not
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: I want to sit down with like I want it.
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: To really be and ask real questions and like yeah
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: have a minute have like a moment you know hard
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: to watch sometimes I think really nobody really gets cancelled
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: unless there's like actual like prison time and even then
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: it has to be for something pretty heinous and it
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: has to be for pretty long for you not to
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: come back They all, everyone seems to come back. I
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: think all this cancellation stuff was like a bunch of
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: bullshit because everyone comes back.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And, um, and then except for like a Matt Lauer
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and with a Matt Lauer. No offense, Matt Lauer, you're
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: totally replaceable. Well, that's the thing. You're not a musician
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: that writes incredible songs that we all sing and dance
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: to for the last 30 years. You're not an incredible
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: actor like a Will Smith that just can, like, you know,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: you see a scene and you instantly cry because he's
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: so good at his craft. You were a decent-looking guy
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: that had, I believe, I think morning and daytime TV
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: is an easy job. I think it's a pretty fucking
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: easy job of out of the jobs that are there.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: And it, right. And so when it became this and
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: at the height of the time and everything, it was like, goodbye,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: no one's going to not watch our show because Matt
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Lauer is gone. He's of a man of a certain age,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: all of that. So I think people like that probably
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: will never come back to any capacity. Could he start
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: a podcast out of the Hamptons? Sure. People might listen.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think he should bother. Right. Cause I don't
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: think people will want to come on and be interviewed
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: by him.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Enjoy your money, do something else with your time, be
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: a grandpa, whatever. It's kind of like the Chris Harrison
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: of it all. You know, it's like, okay, I'm canceled.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to like try to yet. I mean,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: maybe it's too soon. I'm not trying to like do
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: my redemption tour and host another show or start a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: podcast or whatever it is. I'm just going to sit
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: here with all my money.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Let it sit.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: You got a lot of money.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Enjoy that money.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: You know, I've met him several times and I kind
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: of think his situation was, a very much of a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: sign of the times and a little like an unfortunate
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: situation that he put himself in. He wasn't even supposed
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: to do that interview.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: And, and the whole thing, guys. So you're just like,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: and he didn't know.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: And he was, he's a dad. He had kids in college.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: It like, again, came on the, a day where you're like,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: you know what? I am going to tell the truth.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: I am going to say how I really feel. It's like,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: and it was just at that time. And then, um,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: But I think it's all fine. And I think if
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: he does come back with something, fine. But he may
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: not want to. Right. Like, that was a lot of
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: time and travel. He had to go to Europe. He
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: had to go to all these places. And now he's...
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's... He's engaged.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: He's engaged.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's married, but I've met her
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: and she's great. Lauren's awesome. And his ex-wife is great. Like,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: they all get along.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: The kids all get along. Everything's good. Like, the kids
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: are good. And good.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: If I was him, I'd be like, who cares? Like,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: just do your thing. Right. And then if in, like,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: a couple years you want to do something that maybe
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: is in the same line of, like, maybe doing something
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: dating with older people, I don't know if that would
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: ever be a hit, if people would want to watch that. But, like,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: definitely I think The Bachelor as a show is definitely
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: not as popular because that wasn't the only change. You know,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: they tried to do a lot of other changes. They
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: had a bisexual girl come and, You know, they're trying
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: to do this thing.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: The two at one time.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Trying to get to this time. Yeah, the two bachelorettes.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: And they're trying to, like, change it up and everything.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: And so I think, like, I don't know. It's still
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: probably a big enough hit that you wouldn't want to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: get rid of it.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's such an expensive show, like,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: with a million actors. But it definitely doesn't have the spark.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: And I feel like the people that were super into it,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: that stuck with it, like me. Yeah. Like, I was
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: already married the first season. And I watched it and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: talked about it the whole time. And just recently. And
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I was even on it. That was probably the last
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: season I was on. I was on, what's her name? Katie's.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I was on Katie's season. And that was a COVID season.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: And we were in this resort that was, like, not
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: extremely attractive. Anyway. So I watched it because of that.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: But I really haven't watched it since.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: And I don't feel like people in my world are
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: watching it either. Like, I don't feel like many people
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: are talking.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: I feel like people switched over to Housewives. We got
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: more Housewives and now we're just living in Housewives.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm like, yeah. And then I thought, what
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: about all these people that went on Bachelor as you
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: had to get a jumpstart of a career, which I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: don't think it's a bad idea. Yeah. I feel like
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: that has... It's over, too. That's over, too. And all
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: those people got podcasts and I feel like the only
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: people that are surviving... It's like.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Caitlyn and Nick Viall.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Caitlyn and Nick Viall. Maybe there's a couple. Yeah. Like, um,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Ashley and her husband, they kind of have their thing cooking.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: And then there's maybe like, but I really don't know
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: of anybody else that's like, there were so many I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: heart ones and so many combos of people and like,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: what else are you talking about? And, and then they
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: do the paradise and it's like, there's just so many
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: of them that's like, yeah.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: It's too much.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: It's too much. And, you know, it was back in
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: the day when I went on, it was 16 years ago.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: And I had an agent that was like, if you
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: want to get into television, you have to go on
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: The Bachelor.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, great.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: I will do whatever I'm told. And at that time,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: it was like Ali Fedotowsky had like built her big
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: career and all these people like it was really a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: thing that could happen. And now I think they become
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: influencers on Instagram, which no shame on that game because
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: you can make a fuck ton of money. But it's
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: just really hard. It's hard, like I was saying before,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: it's hard to slice, cut through in any genre right
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: now because there's so much content and everyone's so niche.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Saturated.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Not everyone has to watch this thing at this time
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: on television. They can be like, I don't even want
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: to have a TV. I only want to read maps.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Fine.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: Read a vintage map as your hobby line.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: It's like you can do whatever you want, even if
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: it's weird, you know? Like, I'm just going to do
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: the small things TikToks. Like, all I'm going to do
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: is watch tiny little mini... Plates of food in many
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: houses on TikTok. Like, that's a whole thing.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: You're watching chiropractic videos.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I didn't even know that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: was possible.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Like, what a fucking weirdo. Yeah. Well, I agree.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Like, I'm sure chiropractic OC is, like, really happy. He
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: has more followers now, and he's probably like, oh, shit,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I'm crushing it.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and cracking it. Anyway, I so enjoyed you. Thank
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: you for the honesty. Tell everybody where they can find everything.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I'd love. If you don't listen to Lady Gang,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: hop on over to Lady Gang. We have new episodes
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: every Tuesday and Thursday. And I'm just at Kelty on
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: social media. And I'm mediocre. So come on over and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: hang out with my mediocre-ness. But the podcast is really good.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: Awesome.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:05:47
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