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Sharri | 12 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Well, good evening.
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Speaker 4: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Sharry. Anthony Albanezi expects
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Speaker 4: us to believe he can solve the Middle East crisis. Well,
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Speaker 4: he can't even get the geography right. The Special Panel
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Speaker 4: of Mike Kelly and Dave Sharma will respond to the
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Speaker 4: PM's ineptitude soon. Jim Chalmers was pleased with the RBA today,
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Speaker 4: although not for long. David Pearl will break down the
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Speaker 4: grim productivity warning from the RBA boss a little later.
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Speaker 3: And it's a.
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Speaker 4: Strange day I must say when I find myself agreeing
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Speaker 4: with something Bob Brown has said. I'll tell all with Saxon,
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Speaker 4: Davidson and Cameron Milner soon. But first, Anthony Albanezey looked
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Speaker 4: Australians in the eye on Sunday, July twenty seven and
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Speaker 4: assured us that recognition of a Palestinian state was not imminent.
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Speaker 5: It's the time right now? Are we about to imminently
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Speaker 5: do that?
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Speaker 6: No, we are not.
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Speaker 3: And he was right.
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Speaker 4: If by not imminent, he meant don't blink or you'll
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Speaker 4: miss it. Because now a mere fortnight later, the Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister has declared that we will in fact be recognizing Palestine.
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Speaker 4: The time between not imminent and Dune deal was roughly
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Speaker 4: the length of a bad Netflix series. Turns out, not
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Speaker 4: imminent means the press release is already in draft form,
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Speaker 4: now in normal human conversation. Not imminent means you can
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Speaker 4: go about your day without worrying. It means the cyclone
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Speaker 4: is still far out to see. The baby is months
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Speaker 4: away from being born. The dentist appointment, well, it's not
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Speaker 4: until October, but we now know. When Albinezi says not imminent,
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Speaker 4: the cyclone is smashing your front windows. The baby's halfway out,
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Speaker 4: and the dentist already has you in the chair while
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Speaker 4: the nurse prizes your mouth open. The timing of yesterday's
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Speaker 4: pledge to recognize Palestine had nothing to do with any
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Speaker 4: sudden shift in Middle Eastern reality. Gaza hasn't suddenly transformed
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Speaker 4: into Switzerland. The Palestinian authority haven't called fresh elections. Hamas
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Speaker 4: haven't melted away in a puff of peace processes.
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Speaker 3: So what happened? Well, I think we all know, don't we.
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Speaker 4: French President Emmanuel mccron announced his intention to recognize Palestine,
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Speaker 4: and then Britain's Prime minister quickly indicated he'd be ready
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Speaker 4: to do likewise, And then Canada started making similar noises,
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Speaker 4: and suddenly Anthony Albanesi was suffering the worst case of.
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Speaker 3: Fomo you could ever imagine.
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Speaker 4: Oh, and ninety thousand people marched across the Sydney Harbor Bridge,
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Speaker 4: which in modern politics apparently now counts as a binding referendum. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 4: the substance of the decision, you know, the boring bits
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Speaker 4: involving facts, history, security and consequences, Well they remain unchanged.
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Speaker 4: But in the Albanesi political universe, momentum is more important
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Speaker 4: than sense, than being part of the international herd, is
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Speaker 4: far more important than worrying about which direction the herd
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Speaker 4: is running.
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Speaker 1: So how does this announcement change anything?
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Speaker 6: What he does is make Astray a part of the
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Speaker 6: international momentum.
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Speaker 4: And domestic political advantage is more important than the lives
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Speaker 4: of Jewish hostages who have been strangely forgotten in the
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Speaker 4: rush to don Kefeir's The Abinezi government loves to play
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Speaker 4: around with words, redefining them to suit. The moment cost
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Speaker 4: of living relief actually means higher costs energy transition. Well
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Speaker 4: we all know that means blackouts. A gracious, humble request
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Speaker 4: means you're morally inferior if you don't vote for the voice.
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Speaker 4: And now we know, not imminent means keep your iPhone
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Speaker 4: charged because you get a push notification any moment. Now,
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Speaker 4: it's not just sloppy communication, it's strategic. The more vague
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Speaker 4: and more elastic the language, the easier it is for
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Speaker 4: the PM to mislead the public, which, incidentally, his newfound
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Speaker 4: besties in the Palestinian Authority understand very very well. Hamas
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Speaker 4: will play no role in a Palestinian state means terrorists.
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Speaker 3: Will rule under a different banner.
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Speaker 4: Free and fair elections will be held in a Palestinian
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Speaker 4: state means Palestinians will choose between political parties that differ
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Speaker 4: only in the kind of missiles they wish to fire
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Speaker 4: at Israel. Pay for sleigh payments to terrorists will cease
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Speaker 4: in a Palestinian state means Marthyr's will be rewarded under
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Speaker 4: a brand new scheme, and so on and so forth.
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Speaker 4: Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is about as believable as
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Speaker 4: anti Albanesi, but not nearly as naive. Well. Jews are
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Speaker 4: understandably worried that a Palestinian state run by people who
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Speaker 4: only five minutes ago were sworn to the destruction of
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Speaker 4: Israel might be a threat. But I can tell you
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Speaker 4: Jews have no reason to be concerned, none at all.
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Speaker 3: And how do I know because.
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Speaker 4: Mahmoud Abas said so over the phone to Antony Albanesi.
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Speaker 4: And if there's one thing we know, it's you can
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Speaker 4: trust the word of Anti Albanesi. Sorry, I mean you
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Speaker 4: can trust the word of Babud Abbas. Abbas promised Elbow
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Speaker 4: he would hold elections, reform in the Palestinian authority and
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Speaker 4: terrorist stipends, stop teaching children to hate Jews, back a
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Speaker 4: demilitarized Palestine, and renew his acceptance of the Israeli state.
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Speaker 3: It's the Middle Eastern.
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Speaker 4: Equivalent of a teenager promising to clean his room, stop swearing,
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Speaker 4: do his homework, and never ever borrow the car without asking.
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Speaker 4: And just like the teenager, I'm sure he means every
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Speaker 4: word until he doesn't. The Alberinezi government is, of course
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Speaker 4: thrilled Albanize. He may yet have the transcript of his
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Speaker 4: phone call with Mamuda Bus bound in leather and stored
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Speaker 4: in the National Archives along other great works of fiction. History, however,
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Speaker 4: has a cruel sense of humor. Didn't Neville Chamberlain boast
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Speaker 4: about having peace in our time when what he actually
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Speaker 4: got was about eleven months before Poland disappeared?
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Speaker 3: But perhaps that's unfair.
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Speaker 4: After all, a Bus said he will end pay for
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Speaker 4: sleigh payments to terrorists. Sure, the payments have been the
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Speaker 4: Palestinian Authorities policy for decades, enshrined in law and celebrated
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Speaker 4: by all Palestinians. But now he's changed his mind, just
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Speaker 4: like that gone, And why not believe him? I mean,
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Speaker 4: it's not like the Palestinian leadership has ever broken a promise.
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Speaker 4: Mamuda Bus says he'll also hold free and fair elections,
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Speaker 4: which is wonderful when you consider Mamuda Bus is enter
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Speaker 4: the twentieth year of his four year term. Ending the
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Speaker 4: incitement of hatred is another bold commitment. The Palestinian Authorities
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Speaker 4: education system has four years been producing textbooks where Israel
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Speaker 4: doesn't exist, Jews are portrayed as subhuman, and martyrdom is
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Speaker 4: the career.
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Speaker 3: Aspiration of choice.
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Speaker 4: But don't worry about any of that, a Bus has
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Speaker 4: assured our PM. This time they'll swap bomb making classes
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Speaker 4: for I don't know ukulele lessons, and a demilitarized state will,
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Speaker 4: of course, because if there's one thing the region has
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Speaker 4: taught us, it's that terrorist groups are famous for giving
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Speaker 4: up weapons when asked nicely. Victorian Labour leader just sing
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Speaker 4: to Ellen may even pay for her Maerschetti Amnesty safe
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Speaker 4: disposal bins to be dotted around the West Bank for
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Speaker 4: terrorists to hand in their suicide vests. Labour naturally insists
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Speaker 4: the Palestinian authorities promises are iron clad, because if you
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Speaker 4: can't trust the word of a radical Islamust, well who
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Speaker 4: can you trust. But what if mamod a bus fails
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Speaker 4: to deliver, Well, Anthony Albanesi penny one will do what
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Speaker 4: they always do.
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Speaker 3: They'll blame Israel.
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Speaker 4: Then again, if Felbenese in his naive colleagues who now
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Speaker 4: govern most of the West are foolish enough to give
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Speaker 4: the Palestinians a state, they probably won't be in Israel
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Speaker 4: to blame when it all goes wrong. Now I'm not
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Speaker 4: saying Anthony Albanezi is a clueless amateur wandering into the
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Speaker 4: Middle East like a blindfolded tourist on a minefield tour.
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Speaker 4: But well, actually, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying here.
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Speaker 4: He was this morning comparing the Middle East conflict to
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Speaker 4: a football game.
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Speaker 6: I look, there are people on both sides of this
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Speaker 6: debate who want conflict to continue, who want to think
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Speaker 6: that it's like a football game between you know, South
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Speaker 6: and the Broncos, and you go to back in your term,
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Speaker 6: you to back him in. What we need is a
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Speaker 6: win win.
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Speaker 4: Now, the funny thing about that analogy is that it's
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Speaker 4: no secret to anyone which team Anthony Albanesi supports.
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Speaker 5: Go the Rabbiitus.
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Speaker 3: But it got worse.
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Speaker 4: Have a listen to our prime minister on Sunrise this
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Speaker 4: morning arguing that his decision to recognize Palestine doesn't constitute
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Speaker 4: a reward for Hamas, not at all. Har Maas will
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Speaker 4: be totally opposed to this decision.
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Speaker 6: Her mass don't support two states. They support one state.
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Speaker 6: In their own words, from the river to the sea,
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Speaker 6: from the Jordan River to the ocean.
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Speaker 4: From the Jordan River to the ocean, does Albanese mean
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Speaker 4: the Indian Ocean or the Pacific Ocean or maybe the
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Speaker 4: Atlantic Ocean. Our prime minister is so geographically adrift he
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Speaker 4: might try to negotiate peace between Finland and the great
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Speaker 4: barrier reef at this point, for all those in the
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Speaker 4: PM's office, it's from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
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Speaker 4: We're supposed to believe the PM knows what he's doing.
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Speaker 4: But that's the Albanese government in a nutshell, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Slogans in seventy two point font endlessly repeat, he did
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Speaker 4: underpinned by a depth of knowledge you could measure with
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Speaker 4: a spirit level. Having failed to make history with the
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Speaker 4: voice referendum, voters noticed the gracious and humble request was neither.
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Speaker 4: Albaneze now aims for the Middle East, a region he
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Speaker 4: understands with all the authority of a pub quiz. Guess
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Speaker 4: it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so dangerous. Albanez he
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Speaker 4: knows Hamas rejects two states. He also knows the Palestinians
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Speaker 4: have repeatedly rejected a two state solution, yet he's determined
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Speaker 4: to give them a state anyway.
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Speaker 3: What does he think they'll do with it? Now?
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Speaker 4: If you answered that they'll likely use it as a
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Speaker 4: staging post from which to claim all the land from
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Speaker 4: the river to the water beyond, well, then you're smarter
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Speaker 4: than our PM, which isn't difficult, so I don't get
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Speaker 4: too excited. Elbanize might as well hand a flamethrower to
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Speaker 4: an arsonist and tell us he's hoping for better urban planning.
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Speaker 3: But hang on a second.
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Speaker 4: Elbaneze's own MP Ed Husick said just last week that
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Speaker 4: recognizing Palestine would end Hamas's go evinces, in other words,
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Speaker 4: appease them. Now alber Ezi says it'll upset them. Labour
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Speaker 4: can't even get their contradictions straight. And if Albanez says
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Speaker 4: that from the River to the Sea means wiping Israel
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Speaker 4: off the map, why has his government been perfectly happy
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Speaker 4: for protesters to chant it in Australian streets over the
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Speaker 4: past two years.
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Speaker 3: Albanezy isn't just.
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Speaker 4: Out of his depth, He's splashing about.
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Speaker 3: In the wrong body of water entirely.
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Speaker 4: Well, let me show you just how thoughtlessly the Albaneze
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Speaker 4: government has run down this could sack of Palestinian recognition.
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Speaker 4: Labor MP Ed Hussick insisted on Sky News today that
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Speaker 4: Hamas would play no role in a Palestinian state. The
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister has said the same thing. So my colleague
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Speaker 4: Kieran Gilbert asked the obvious question, how exactly will I
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Speaker 4: must be disarmed.
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Speaker 7: That will be something that will need to happen as
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Speaker 7: a result of agreements on the ground. But you you,
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Speaker 7: as I mentioned a few moments ago, you look at
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Speaker 7: the Arab League and you look at the regional neighbors.
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Speaker 7: They have clearly indicated this has to happen.
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Speaker 3: We know it needs to happen. But the question was how.
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Speaker 7: You will see demilitarization activity made as or emphasized as
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Speaker 7: a priority. That's the stuff that will happen, no doubt
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Speaker 7: as part of those agreements.
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Speaker 4: Right, So her muss will no doubt agree to make
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Speaker 4: their own surrender a priority, because.
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean that skepticism is always you look at
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Speaker 7: most places where self determination has come as a result
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Speaker 7: of a pretty bloody struggle in different parts of the
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Speaker 7: world here and that that is always going to be
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Speaker 7: a challenge at the outset, and it's hard to imagine it.
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Speaker 4: Well, I agree with ed Husick. It is hard to imagine,
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Speaker 4: and that's the point. And then ed Husick finally gets honest.
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Speaker 7: Those details clearly haven't been settled at this point, and
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Speaker 7: it's unrealistic to expect an oven dancer at this point
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Speaker 7: in time.
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Speaker 4: In other words, the Albanezi government hasn't got a clue
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Speaker 4: how Hamas, who governor fair chunk of the territory they
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Speaker 4: now want to recognize as a Palestinian state, will be disarmed,
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Speaker 4: and it's unrealistic to expect them to know or to care.
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Speaker 4: Apparently joining me now is former Liberal senat the Holly
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Speaker 4: Hughes and Menzies Research Center senior fellow Nick Nick.
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Speaker 3: Like their climate policy, the government's.
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Speaker 4: Middle Eastern policy is completely divorced from reality, isn't it.
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Speaker 5: They're going to do government, don't They was going to
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Speaker 5: do this and going to do that. It's the politics
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Speaker 5: of good intentions, you know. So first they're going to
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Speaker 5: get rid of every coal fire power station in Australia
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Speaker 5: by twenty thirty or thereabouts. And if that wasn't hard enough,
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Speaker 5: and of course they've got nowhere near even starting that
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Speaker 5: project hard enough. Now they're going to bring peace to
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Speaker 5: the Middle East. They've got to end Hamas as a
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Speaker 5: fighting force. So it's very thing that Israel's been trying
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Speaker 5: to do for about twenty five years. Albanese apparently can
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Speaker 5: do that just by saying it will happen. It's extraordinary, really,
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Speaker 5: his powers or at least what he imagines his powers
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Speaker 5: to be. But it's completely hollow. It's a disgrace and
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Speaker 5: he should be called up on it, but of course
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Speaker 5: he's not being is he by most of the press.
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Speaker 4: I think Nick, when you've got the arrogance to believe
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Speaker 4: you can change global temperatures by manipulating policy, you probably
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Speaker 4: do believe you can do anything wholly, including bringing peace
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Speaker 4: to the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Could you imagine a more inept government than this one?
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Speaker 8: No, it's really quite breathtaking how inept these guys are.
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Speaker 8: I mean, they're actually making Whitlam look competent, which is
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Speaker 8: saying something. And you know it was Whitlam who brought
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Speaker 8: the two state solution to party politics in Australia, so
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Speaker 8: it's quite fitting. But how any Labor member is going
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Speaker 8: to turn up to the parliamentary Friends of Israel going forward?
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Speaker 9: I have no idea, and I do feel for.
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Speaker 8: Some of those, particularly Labor Right members who are strong
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Speaker 8: supporters of Israel, who must be sitting there at the
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Speaker 8: moment just scratching their heads with what this is all about.
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Speaker 8: But I think we do need to be really mindful
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Speaker 8: of the impacts that this can have flowing on we
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Speaker 8: know that we get intelligence from Mossat. We know that
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Speaker 8: the Mossad intelligence has helped Australia become aware of possible
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Speaker 8: threats and terrorism threats. Well, I can't say Natan Yahoo
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Speaker 8: giving the big go ahead for you know, Bibi's going
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Speaker 8: to ring Mossad and go yeah, keep the Aussies in
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Speaker 8: the loop.
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Speaker 9: Still, I think we can assume.
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Speaker 8: That channel will be shut down. And it's just appalling
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Speaker 8: to think that they've got no idea how this is
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Speaker 8: going to happen. The Palestinian authority hasn't had elections because
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Speaker 8: they know if they do, Hermus will win. So even
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Speaker 8: if Hermas is not the name on the ballot paper,
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Speaker 8: it will be some form of her Mass. These are
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Speaker 8: kids that have gone through Unrus schools where they've been
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Speaker 8: taught the value. You know, how much they their family
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Speaker 8: will be paid, how many shekels their family will be
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Speaker 8: paid per Jewish civilian they murder as a martyr.
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Speaker 9: And you expect that this entire life.
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Speaker 8: Of indoctrination will be forgotten because Albo says like it's
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Speaker 8: just a joke, and I think, quite frankly, a lot
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Speaker 8: of Australians and I certainly feel embarrassed to be internationally
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Speaker 8: to say I'm an Australian when this is what this
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Speaker 8: government is doing in representing us.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, some of the issues you've just raised really good questions,
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Speaker 4: and I'm going to raise some of those with Elon Levy,
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Speaker 4: the former Israeli government spokesperson, who I'll speak with.
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Speaker 3: In a moment.
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Speaker 4: But i want to go back to some local politics
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Speaker 4: for a moment. New South Wales Opposition leader Mark Speakman
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Speaker 4: is facing a possible leadership challenge after a controversial renewables
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Speaker 4: vote led to the resignation of shadow front bencher Wendy Tuckerman.
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Speaker 4: She claimed Liberal MPs had not been adequately briefed on
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Speaker 4: the bill. So this week we're learning the party's donations
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Speaker 4: are drying up as fundraising from MPs drops off.
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Speaker 3: So I've got to ask you, Nick, is.
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Speaker 4: Speakman's leadership becoming untenable and over climate issues?
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Speaker 5: Look, I can't bring any knowledge to bear on the
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Speaker 5: workings of the New South Wales Parliament or the New
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Speaker 5: South Wales Liberal Party in the Parliament. I've far too
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Speaker 5: much to do to worry about that. But I think
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Speaker 5: this just to show how the net zero issue has
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Speaker 5: become so key within the Liberal Party as a point
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Speaker 5: of debate, because it represents a whole lot of other things,
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Speaker 5: and one thing it represents is just whether we're prepared
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Speaker 5: just to be frank and honest with the public and
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Speaker 5: only promised to do what we know we can do
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Speaker 5: as opposed to something like this, which you know, as
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Speaker 5: we've discussed with Albanezi, is just pie in the sky
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Speaker 5: right now, right. I mean, you and I go to
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Speaker 5: church every Sunday and we say, thy Kingdom come, but
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Speaker 5: we don't think it's going to happen imminently or frequently.
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Speaker 5: I feel the same about net zero and the two
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Speaker 5: state solution.
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Speaker 4: Quite frankly, Holly, you could speak to the New South
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Speaker 4: Wales Labor Party Liberal Party, sorry, Liberal Party, Labor Party.
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Speaker 3: How much trouble is.
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Speaker 8: Speaking in Look, I think you've got about seven MP's
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Speaker 8: who are sitting in marginal seats of less than two percent,
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Speaker 8: and they're going to be having a look. You know,
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Speaker 8: where's this going? What's happening they You know, I did
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Speaker 8: see the article today about the donations and drying up,
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Speaker 8: but you know also the way that it works is
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Speaker 8: MPs tend to raise money through their conferences and then
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Speaker 8: they pay a sum to the division. Well, certainly that's
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Speaker 8: what happens federally, so I'm assuming that's what happens at
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Speaker 8: a state level. So hopefully they've got conferences with some
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Speaker 8: money in the bank, ready to fight an election campaign,
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Speaker 8: because it's a pretty dire state when you're in opposition
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Speaker 8: at a state and federal level, and you know, people
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Speaker 8: aren't falling over themselves to get to fundraisers, and particularly
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Speaker 8: when they're looking down the barrel of not going into government,
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Speaker 8: it's a very very difficult time to fundraise. I'm going
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Speaker 8: to one on Friday, so you know I'm doing my
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Speaker 8: bit for the party.
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Speaker 4: Well, Mark Speakman complained he was being undermined by anonymous voices.
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Speaker 4: Mark Speakman is pretty anonymous in New South Wales.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think that's absolutely the point, and I think
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Speaker 8: Mark has to stop thinking like a lawyer and start
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Speaker 8: thinking like a politician. The fact that he prevaricated of
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Speaker 8: whether he would support a motion to expel Gareth Ward
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Speaker 8: was just absolutely unfare givable from a political sense.
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Speaker 9: You just can't sell that.
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Speaker 8: If the courts were going to override it, then that's
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Speaker 8: up to the.
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Speaker 9: Courts, and let the courts wear it.
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Speaker 8: But from a political standpoint, the community has expectations that
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Speaker 8: if you are a convicted rapist, you are expelled from
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Speaker 8: the Parliament. And you know the fact that the biggest
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Speaker 8: publicity he got last week was about whether or not
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Speaker 8: they would support that motion is a little bit frightening.
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Speaker 4: Let's get back on to the Labor Party for a second.
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Speaker 4: Labor are being urged by one of their own to
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Speaker 4: rethink their dogmatic climate policy ahead of Jim Chalmers Economic Roundtable.
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Speaker 4: Former Labor Minister Joel Fitzgibbons, speaking in Canbell last night,
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Speaker 4: said and thy quote, we don't have to hold our
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Speaker 4: economy back to be a world leader in climate change action.
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Speaker 4: We need to adjust, recalibrate and broaden our course of action.
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Speaker 4: Mark he urged the government to reconsider its view of
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Speaker 4: nuclear technology as well. So some common sense being spoken
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Speaker 4: to the Labor federal government.
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Speaker 3: Do you think they'll listen.
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Speaker 5: No, they're kind of like teflon coated when it comes
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Speaker 5: to common sense, aren't they really. I mean, just it'll
19:01
Speaker 5: just roll off them. Of course this is sensible, and
19:04
Speaker 5: Joel fish Gibbon was always one of the more sensible
19:07
Speaker 5: members of the Labor government.
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Speaker 8: I did often Joel a number of times when I
19:10
Speaker 8: was looking after the Hunter region of Liberal Party for
19:13
Speaker 8: because I felt that he was very isolated in the
19:15
Speaker 8: Labor Party, because he's a very sensible voice outs role.
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Speaker 5: Will you be listening to in this case? Absolutely not.
19:21
Speaker 5: There's just something about once the whole bureaucracy and the
19:25
Speaker 5: government get involved and promise one course of action, it's
19:29
Speaker 5: very hard for them to reverse it, isn't it. I mean,
19:32
Speaker 5: you know, they just don't act like a private company.
19:34
Speaker 5: They're not like Henry Ford, who went bankrupt twice before
19:38
Speaker 5: he set up the Ford Motor Company learning from its mistakes.
19:41
Speaker 5: Government doesn't act like that. So I'm afraid they're stuck
19:44
Speaker 5: in this position. I get the impression that they're increasingly
19:46
Speaker 5: realizing that this is going to be a burden the
19:48
Speaker 5: closer we get to twenty thirty.
19:50
Speaker 4: All right, just quickly, one other thing I want to
19:52
Speaker 4: touch on here in your South Wales, they're scrapping electronic
19:56
Speaker 4: monitoring for criminals on bail. Victoria have done the same,
19:59
Speaker 4: but leaves open for courts to set some pretty unusual
20:02
Speaker 4: bail conditions, or of course, they could leave more alleged
20:05
Speaker 4: defenders in jail while they await trial.
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Speaker 3: It'll be an idea.
20:08
Speaker 4: The Public Service Association boss Stuart Little has called the
20:11
Speaker 4: ban on these ankle bracelets a recipe for disaster, saying, quote,
20:16
Speaker 4: the remand system at the moment is a real problem.
20:18
Speaker 4: The prisoners can't take the prisons can't take it. Where
20:21
Speaker 4: short staff totally. This comes after a judge told an
20:24
Speaker 4: alleged murderer to send selfies to his.
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Speaker 8: How is he out of bail if you're an alleged
20:30
Speaker 8: murderer for a start, that'd been my question number one.
20:33
Speaker 8: But this is insane and I mean, we don't want
20:35
Speaker 8: to go anywhere near what Victoria is doing with its
20:37
Speaker 8: crime rate.
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Speaker 9: We need to be toughening up our bail laws.
20:41
Speaker 8: We need to be ensuring that criminals we know where
20:43
Speaker 8: they are and they're doing the right thing.
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Speaker 9: This is just ludicrous on steroids.
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Speaker 4: I would have thought so, Holly Nick, thanks so much
20:50
Speaker 4: for joining me tonight. Well more Now on the news
20:53
Speaker 4: that's making headlines across the world. Australia is becoming the
20:56
Speaker 4: latest country to cave to hamasa's pressure campaign by agreeing
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Speaker 4: to recognize Palestinian statehood in September. The move is going
21:04
Speaker 4: to place great strain on diplomatic ties with both Israel
21:07
Speaker 4: and the United States, who until recently were two of
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Speaker 4: our strongest allies. Joining me now as former spokesperson for
21:14
Speaker 4: the Israeli government, Elon Levy. Elon great to have your
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Speaker 4: company tonight. Just tell me your reaction to news that
21:21
Speaker 4: the Australian government had agreed to recognize Palestine.
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Speaker 10: I mean, the decision by the Labor government to recognize
21:28
Speaker 10: a non existent Palestinian state in response to the October
21:32
Speaker 10: seventh massacre is criminally clueless. I mean they have no
21:36
Speaker 10: idea the amount of damage they are doing by rewarding
21:40
Speaker 10: Hamas for those barbaric atrocities and encouraging more of them.
21:45
Speaker 10: I saw albo on Sunraise saying that Hamas will oppose
21:49
Speaker 10: this decision. The opposite Hamas has welcomed it. Hamas leader
21:54
Speaker 10: Razi Hahmad, gave an interview last week, calling global recognition
21:58
Speaker 10: of a Palestinian state eight one of the fruits of
22:02
Speaker 10: October seventh. He said it is one of the great
22:05
Speaker 10: achievements of that decision to gun down Israelis at a
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Speaker 10: music festival, burn families alive in their homes and take hostages.
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Speaker 10: They are still starving and torturing in the dungeons under Gaza. So, frankly,
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Speaker 10: I don't understand what Australia has to gain by betraying
22:22
Speaker 10: an ally at war, turning its back on its major ally,
22:26
Speaker 10: the United States, and fermenting violence. Frankly in a conflict.
22:30
Speaker 10: The government doesn't understand all to try to appease protests
22:34
Speaker 10: that have taken over the streets of Australia, Frankly, it's crazy.
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Speaker 3: It is crazy.
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Speaker 4: I think what we believe they have to gain is
22:42
Speaker 4: votes domestically and maybe their chance to be part of history.
22:45
Speaker 4: I think that's probably the motivation.
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Speaker 3: A few hours.
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Speaker 4: Before the announcement, Benjamin Ette Yahoo had this to say,
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Speaker 4: have listen.
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Speaker 2: To have the European countries and Australia march into that,
22:59
Speaker 2: march into the rabbit hole just like that, fall right
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Speaker 2: into it. And by this canard is disappointing and I
23:08
Speaker 2: think it's actually shameful.
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Speaker 4: Elon how betrayed would the Israeli government feel by the
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Speaker 4: Australian government's decision.
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Speaker 10: I think many of the Israeli people feel betrayed. Israel
23:22
Speaker 10: Is still fighting to bring back hostages who are being
23:25
Speaker 10: starved and tortured in the tunnels under Gaza. We saw
23:29
Speaker 10: them film one starving hostage, even forcing him to dig
23:32
Speaker 10: his own grave for the cameras, and to have the
23:35
Speaker 10: Australian government say that it is trying to help release
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Speaker 10: the hostages by rewarding the people who are holding them.
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Speaker 10: It makes absolutely no sense, you know, US Secretary of
23:47
Speaker 10: State Marco Rubio said, the ceasefire talks collapse that day,
23:52
Speaker 10: Macron decided to recognize a Palestinian state, and then Kirs
23:56
Speaker 10: Starmer came along and said, if there's no ceasefire, Byset
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Speaker 10: Temper will recognize a Palestinian state. So what are you
24:03
Speaker 10: going to do if you're Hamas? Obviously you keep refusing
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Speaker 10: a ceasefire, You keep dragging out the war that you started,
24:10
Speaker 10: because you know the world is going to reward you.
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Speaker 10: And I think world leaders fundamentally misunderstand Hamas and what
24:17
Speaker 10: it is about. They think that because Hamas wants to
24:20
Speaker 10: destroy Israel, then somehow they're punishing Hamas by rewarding the
24:25
Speaker 10: Palestinian cause without making them pay any price. But the
24:28
Speaker 10: opposite is true. Hamas is being recognized by Palestinians as
24:33
Speaker 10: heroes for helping to deliver this achievement, and so instead
24:37
Speaker 10: of bringing peace closer, you're pushing peace further away. Just
24:41
Speaker 10: at the time we need, we need world leaders to
24:44
Speaker 10: be pressuring Hamas to accept a ceasefire, lay down its arms,
24:49
Speaker 10: let go of the hostages, and end this war. The
24:52
Speaker 10: world is giving Hamas every reason to keep going and
24:55
Speaker 10: people are going to get killed.
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Speaker 4: Can you just speak to some our Prime minister said
25:01
Speaker 4: on national television here in Australia this morning. He argued
25:04
Speaker 4: that Hamas don't want a two state solution because from
25:08
Speaker 4: the river to the sea, they want to eraise Israel entirely.
25:12
Speaker 4: So if that's the case, why would a mass be
25:15
Speaker 4: happy about Australia wanting to recognize two states when Hamas
25:18
Speaker 4: only want one.
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Speaker 3: That was his argument. Can you respond to that.
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Speaker 10: Hamas wants concessions without having to pay a price for them.
25:26
Speaker 10: Obviously they want something for nothing. Obviously they're happy for
25:30
Speaker 10: the world to recognize a Palestinian state to strengthen their
25:33
Speaker 10: claim against Israel and prepare for the day that they
25:36
Speaker 10: can renew another war against Israel. I mean, when Albo
25:40
Speaker 10: says he wants us, you know, a democratic Palestinian state
25:44
Speaker 10: living next to Israel. He doesn't create one, that doesn't
25:46
Speaker 10: mean that it happens. All he's doing is pressuring Israel
25:51
Speaker 10: to give the Palestinians territory from which they can continue
25:54
Speaker 10: attacking Israel until they accept Israel's existence. So Hamas is
25:59
Speaker 10: obviously happy to pocket again without having to pay anything,
26:03
Speaker 10: without having to offer concessions. You know, world leaders used
26:06
Speaker 10: to think that a Palestinian state should be created at
26:09
Speaker 10: the end of a peace process as a reward for
26:13
Speaker 10: making peace, not as a reward for bad behavior. And
26:16
Speaker 10: here Albow and other world leaders have got everything backwards.
26:19
Speaker 10: They're giving how Mus, a reward. They're saying it should
26:22
Speaker 10: be given land for nothing, not for making peace, but
26:26
Speaker 10: for refusing peace and dragging out a pointless war while
26:30
Speaker 10: torturing hostages.
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Speaker 4: Well, in another blow to their relationship, the relationship between
26:35
Speaker 4: Albanesia and Netanyahu. I mean, our prime minister said this
26:39
Speaker 4: of the Israeli leader.
26:41
Speaker 3: Have a listen. I spoke with.
26:44
Speaker 6: Prime Minister Netnya who here again reiterated to me what
26:50
Speaker 6: he has said publicly as well, which is to be
26:53
Speaker 6: in denial about the consequences that are occurring for innocent people.
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Speaker 4: So our leader reckons your leader is in denial about
27:05
Speaker 4: the consequences of what's happening.
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Speaker 3: What's your reaction to that.
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Speaker 10: No, I think world leaders are in denial. But the
27:11
Speaker 10: reason for all the suffering in Gaza is the brutal
27:14
Speaker 10: terrorist regime that launched a needless war, that is fighting
27:18
Speaker 10: it from a network of tunnels underneath homes and schools
27:21
Speaker 10: and hospitals and mosques and UN facilities, and refuses to
27:25
Speaker 10: lay down its arms while torturing hostages and hijacking AID.
27:28
Speaker 10: That is what people are in denial about. They're in
27:31
Speaker 10: denial about how Hamas designed an urban battlefield in order
27:35
Speaker 10: to get people killed because they know that images of
27:38
Speaker 10: suffering on global TV will turn public opinion against Israel,
27:42
Speaker 10: and they see that as a victory. I think world
27:45
Speaker 10: leaders are in denial about how much AID Hamas has
27:48
Speaker 10: been hijacking. I mean, just look at the UN's own figures.
27:52
Speaker 10: According to the UN, eighteen to nine percent of the
27:56
Speaker 10: AID trucks that are getting picked up in Gaza now
27:58
Speaker 10: are getting hijacked and looted along the way. Yes there
28:02
Speaker 10: is hunger in Garza, Yes there is suffering. But there's
28:05
Speaker 10: hunger and suffering because Hamas is hijacking AID in order
28:09
Speaker 10: to pay its own people and sell them for a profit.
28:12
Speaker 10: And because we've had a catastrophic failure of the un
28:16
Speaker 10: A distribution system in Gaza, and instead of fixing it,
28:19
Speaker 10: they tried to do it as easiest, which is just
28:22
Speaker 10: to blame Israel rather than taking responsibility, and innocent people
28:26
Speaker 10: are paying a price as a result.
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Speaker 4: Elon Levy, I always enjoy speaking with you, and I
28:30
Speaker 4: really appreciate you giving your time this evening.
28:32
Speaker 3: Thanks so much.
28:34
Speaker 4: Well, coming up after the break, the battle between Art
28:36
Speaker 4: and AI rages on. I'll be joined soon by GXO
28:40
Speaker 4: Strategies director Cameron Milne and Institute of Public Affairs Research
28:43
Speaker 4: fellow Sex and Davidson. Plus the Reserve Bank gives homeowners
28:48
Speaker 4: the news they've been waiting for. Former Treasury Assistant Secretary
28:51
Speaker 4: David Pearl is up next.
28:57
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Well, this afternoon, the Reserve.
28:59
Speaker 4: Bank cut the cash rate down by a quarter of
29:01
Speaker 4: a percentage point to three point six percent in what
29:05
Speaker 4: will be welcome news for mortgage sholders. Here's Reserve Bank
29:08
Speaker 4: Governor Michelle Bullock earlier today.
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Speaker 11: The boards now cut the cash rate by seventy five
29:13
Speaker 11: basis points since February this year, as we've become increasingly
29:17
Speaker 11: confident that inflation is on track to be in our
29:20
Speaker 11: two to three percent target range on a sustainable basis.
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Speaker 4: Former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl joins me. Now, David, welcome,
29:29
Speaker 4: not a surprise from the Reserve Bank, but welcome news.
29:32
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, thanks having me.
29:36
Speaker 5: I'm James.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it was welcome news for borrowers. Although the Reserve
29:41
Speaker 1: Bank boards followed a fairly interesting path this year. We
29:44
Speaker 1: had the February rate cut just for the election, which
29:49
Speaker 1: many economists, including me, thought was premature and with a
29:53
Speaker 1: political taint. We had a further rate cut in May,
29:56
Speaker 1: and then in July Michelle and the board seemed to
29:59
Speaker 1: get at cold feet and they defied the financial markets
30:02
Speaker 1: by holding rates rather mysteriously. And now we had the
30:06
Speaker 1: rate cut today. So it is welcome. But I should say, James,
30:09
Speaker 1: that today's announcement was completely overshadowed in the press conference
30:12
Speaker 1: with Michelle Bullock by the Bank's declaration or assumption that
30:18
Speaker 1: productivity growth would be cut by thirty percent, that is
30:22
Speaker 1: from an assumed one percent annual growth rate TOWERO point seven,
30:26
Speaker 1: and that is huge economic news, and it overshadowed the
30:31
Speaker 1: rate cut at the press conference.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I want to get to that, because, like you,
30:36
Speaker 4: I thought that was the big thing that came out
30:38
Speaker 4: of today's announcement.
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Speaker 3: She didn't just slash the.
30:42
Speaker 4: Interest rate, as she said, she's downgraded the productivity growth
30:45
Speaker 4: assumptions and warned the economy would be worse off.
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Speaker 3: Here's some of what she had to say about that.
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Speaker 11: For the purposes of our forecast period, we think that
30:55
Speaker 11: the productivity assumption needs to be a bit lower. We
30:58
Speaker 11: were hitting our employment and our inflation forecast, but we
31:02
Speaker 11: were overestimating our GDP and our consumption forecast. Part of
31:06
Speaker 11: the solution to that was that the productivity assumption was
31:10
Speaker 11: a little too high.
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Speaker 4: Okay, So, David, for everybody listening at home, the headline
31:15
Speaker 4: is interest rates have come down a touch. But as
31:19
Speaker 4: you say, the news on productivity, that's big and that's
31:23
Speaker 4: going to affect everybody. But can you explain in layman's
31:25
Speaker 4: terms what she's saying and what effect is that going
31:28
Speaker 4: to have on average people in their lives.
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Speaker 1: Well, what she's saying is that the Reserve Bank, for
31:37
Speaker 1: the purposes of its forecasting over the next two years,
31:42
Speaker 1: is assuming that productivity will grow by thirty percent less
31:47
Speaker 1: than it has been assuming up until recently. Now let's
31:50
Speaker 1: not forget James that productivity has been flatlining in Australia
31:54
Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen. That's nine years. So even assuming zero
32:00
Speaker 1: point seven percent growth is still optimistic. Now, when productivity
32:04
Speaker 1: comes down, sustainable wage growth comes down, profits go down,
32:09
Speaker 1: there's less investment, there's less growth. In fact, the RBA
32:13
Speaker 1: is made clear that the economy's maximum sustainable speed limit
32:18
Speaker 1: with less productivity with less supply capacity is now two percent,
32:23
Speaker 1: and that compares to three and four percentage points growth
32:26
Speaker 1: rates we saw in the nineties and early two thousand.
32:29
Speaker 1: So it's really an adverse judgment the RBA and Michelle
32:34
Speaker 1: Bullet will say it's just a pointy head assumption, but
32:37
Speaker 1: it really is an adverse judgment about the economy's productive
32:41
Speaker 1: capacity and the scope for future living standards in this
32:44
Speaker 1: country to grow. I hope I've made sense in that
32:46
Speaker 1: because a lot of economists get tied in knots and
32:49
Speaker 1: they talk about productivity but just means living standards that
32:52
Speaker 1: we're going to not have them growing as much as
32:54
Speaker 1: we and are four bears expected well.
32:58
Speaker 4: I mean that sounds bad, but I mean the good
33:00
Speaker 4: news is Jim Chalmers has got an economic round table
33:03
Speaker 4: next week.
33:04
Speaker 3: So surely a whole.
33:06
Speaker 4: Lot of great ideas are going to come from this
33:08
Speaker 4: talk fest that are going to address this issue, aren't they.
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Speaker 1: Well, Jim Charmers is the man for the moment. I mean,
33:15
Speaker 1: we've all underestimated him. We thought he was just a
33:18
Speaker 1: superannuated media advisor. But maybe he's a Paul Keating, maybe
33:21
Speaker 1: he's a Pet Costello. He's going to prove that next week.
33:26
Speaker 1: I'm only joking for your viewers. I think this is
33:28
Speaker 1: a stitch up, just like the Labor Party's job We
33:33
Speaker 1: had a job some in twenty twenty two and we
33:35
Speaker 1: had maximum unemployment.
33:36
Speaker 3: It was really a ruse.
33:37
Speaker 1: To get the union movement to reregulate the labor market
33:40
Speaker 1: to the cost of all of us. So next week
33:42
Speaker 1: some it would be no different. None of the fundamental shiblets,
33:46
Speaker 1: if you like, of this government's economic policy going to
33:48
Speaker 1: be questioned next week. Net zero won't even be mentioned.
33:53
Speaker 1: Apart from looking at ways to rip up environmental regulations
33:58
Speaker 1: to allow wind and solar to be further rolled out
34:01
Speaker 1: across the land, there won't be any discussion of by
34:04
Speaker 1: industrial relations reform because Sally McManus and three other unionists
34:07
Speaker 1: will veto that, and there won't be any discussion about
34:11
Speaker 1: how to control out of government spending. It will just
34:16
Speaker 1: be about increased taxes. So this summer, under the guise
34:19
Speaker 1: of productivity and growth, will reinforce and seek a consensus
34:24
Speaker 1: in favor of the fundamental economic strategies of this government,
34:28
Speaker 1: which I think most voters have seen are not delivering
34:32
Speaker 1: high living standards and growth.
34:34
Speaker 4: David Pearl, appreciate you coming on tonight, Thanks so much
34:37
Speaker 4: for your time.
34:38
Speaker 3: Well still to come.
34:39
Speaker 4: Trump deploys a National Guard in Washington in a stunning
34:42
Speaker 4: crackdown on crime. Will talk to GXO Strategies director Cameron
34:46
Speaker 4: Milner and Institute of Public Affairs Research fellow Sex and Davidson.
34:50
Speaker 4: Plus more on Labour's portrayal of Israel with Labor Friends
34:54
Speaker 4: of Israel co Convena Mike Kelly and former Ambassador to
34:57
Speaker 4: Israel David Shama.
34:59
Speaker 3: They're up next.
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Speaker 4: Well joining me now that discuss the latest don Labour's
35:05
Speaker 4: recognition of Palestine is Labor Friends of Israel co Convena
35:09
Speaker 4: Mike Kelly and Theberal Senator and former Ambassador to Israel,
35:12
Speaker 4: Dave Sharma, gentlemen, thanks for joining me tonight. I want
35:16
Speaker 4: to start with you, Dave. The Coalition announced today it
35:19
Speaker 4: would revoke recognition of Palestine if elected to government.
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Speaker 12: Good eving, James, and good evening, Mike. Look, we think
35:28
Speaker 12: this is a wrong decision that we disagree with fundamentally.
35:32
Speaker 12: It's not going to do anything to advance a two
35:34
Speaker 12: stats solution. In fact, it's likely to set it back.
35:37
Speaker 12: It's not going to do anything to advance the prospects
35:40
Speaker 12: for a ceasefire. It's probably pushed that back further. It's
35:42
Speaker 12: not going to cause for mus to release the hostages.
35:45
Speaker 12: And what it's done is we can moderate Palestinian political
35:49
Speaker 12: actors and basically reward her mask for the terrorist attacks
35:52
Speaker 12: of the seventh of October. So I don't think it's
35:55
Speaker 12: going to change the outcome of the conflict we're currently
35:58
Speaker 12: and it's not going to address the humanitarians situation. But
36:01
Speaker 12: in terms of a resolution of the fundamental drivers of
36:03
Speaker 12: conflict in the Middle East, it only makes the problem worse.
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Speaker 4: So if elected the government, the Coalition would not recognize
36:11
Speaker 4: a Palestinian state. Mike, you've come out swinging against your
36:15
Speaker 4: own party over their decision to recognize Palestine. Can you
36:19
Speaker 4: explain to you as why you're so upset as a
36:22
Speaker 4: labor man.
36:23
Speaker 13: Yeah, cheers James, cheers Dave. Look, frankly, we've always had
36:28
Speaker 13: the ambition of seeing a two state solution here, and
36:31
Speaker 13: to remind viewers, there have been multiple opportunities for that
36:35
Speaker 13: since nineteen thirty five, nineteen forty seven, and when Jordan
36:39
Speaker 13: and Egypt occupied those territories between forty seven and sixty seven,
36:43
Speaker 13: when they could have done something, and after sixty seven,
36:45
Speaker 13: when Israel offered the opportunity to hand that territory back
36:49
Speaker 13: in exchange for peace, and we're confronted with the famous
36:52
Speaker 13: three nos, no recognition of Israel, no peace, no negotiations.
36:57
Speaker 13: And if the Oslo process had been followed through on
36:59
Speaker 13: the es and the Clinton opportunities with Ewood Baraq at
37:05
Speaker 13: Camp David after that, and then the Olmot offers in
37:08
Speaker 13: two thousand and eight, all of these have been denied, rejected,
37:12
Speaker 13: or met with armed invasion from Arab neighbors. So Israel's
37:17
Speaker 13: always been at the forefront of trying to make that happen.
37:20
Speaker 13: And Laban knows that really in its bins, because we're
37:23
Speaker 13: a part of creating the state of Israel in those circumstances.
37:27
Speaker 13: But where our problem is is that we want a
37:31
Speaker 13: Palestinian state where Palestinians have the same rights as Israelis.
37:36
Speaker 13: That is the right to free and democratic elections, the
37:40
Speaker 13: protection of gay and lesbian men and women, women's rights,
37:43
Speaker 13: free trade unionism. We want an end to systemic corruption there.
37:48
Speaker 13: We want reforms, absolutely deep and abiding reforms to the
37:52
Speaker 13: education system. The European Union have made five reports on
37:57
Speaker 13: how heinous that material is and belling the that it
38:00
Speaker 13: is the precursor to the savagery we saw on October
38:03
Speaker 13: the seventh and the endless confrontation and conflict, and that
38:07
Speaker 13: will take a generation to work through. But when we
38:12
Speaker 13: see it moves toward declaring a state. Firstly, it doesn't
38:16
Speaker 13: qualify under international law, and we hear so many people
38:19
Speaker 13: parting international law with no clue what they're talking about.
38:21
Speaker 13: But very definitely it doesn't qualify. But you would make
38:25
Speaker 13: it conditional on all of these agenda items being delivered on,
38:29
Speaker 13: not committed to delivered on. And one of the things
38:33
Speaker 13: that really offends me is that we're not even pegging
38:36
Speaker 13: this to the release of the hostages, which is a
38:39
Speaker 13: fundamental war aim for Israel. So if you wanted to
38:42
Speaker 13: move peace closer, then you would make that a condition
38:47
Speaker 13: of recognition. But in addition to that, I've had personal
38:50
Speaker 13: experience back in two thousand and five when I had
38:53
Speaker 13: the Middle East Desk in Strategy Group in Defense, I
38:56
Speaker 13: convinced the Howard government to let me deploy Australian Army
38:59
Speaker 13: personnel to help build the Palestinian security sector, and the
39:03
Speaker 13: whole international community was weighing in then to build the
39:06
Speaker 13: sinews of a state Israel had evacuated completely. We were
39:10
Speaker 13: all trying to help with the economy, and that was
39:12
Speaker 13: then completely destroyed when Hamas overran the territory in two
39:16
Speaker 13: thousand and seven, slaughtered hundreds of Palestinians and launched eighteen
39:21
Speaker 13: years of unending war with Israel. So there are forty
39:25
Speaker 13: thousand public servants still sitting idle today in Gaza, continuing
39:30
Speaker 13: to be paid by the Palestinian authority and soaking up
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Speaker 13: a third of their budget. Or because Hamas has undone
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Speaker 13: and prevented any moves toward a viable, efficacious state. So
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Speaker 13: if you leave Hamas in position in Gaza in any way,
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Speaker 13: shape or form, You're not going to get any kind
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Speaker 13: of a Palestinian state worth even mentioning in that breath.
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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, Dave. I showed this clip at the
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Speaker 4: top of the show.
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Speaker 3: I want to show it again.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi on Sunrise this Morning, mixing up the the
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Speaker 4: infamous from the River to the Sea.
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Speaker 3: Chant to have a listen.
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Speaker 6: Hamas don't support two states. They support one state. In
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Speaker 6: their own words, from the River to the sea, from
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Speaker 6: the Jordan River to the ocean. Doesn't fill you with
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Speaker 6: confidence that he has much idea at all what he's doing.
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Speaker 6: But what do you make of his insistence that Hamas
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Speaker 6: doesn't want Western nations to pursue a two state solution
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Speaker 6: and recognize Palestine because he was adamant about that.
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Speaker 3: Is he right?
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Speaker 12: No, he's completely wrong, And in fact I think he
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Speaker 12: was asked that question in response to something I'd said
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Speaker 12: on the same show moments earlier. The truth is I
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Speaker 12: mean hamas officials spokesperson Ghazi Hamad. I think his name
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Speaker 12: was out there a few weeks ago when this is
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Speaker 12: first mooted in the Australian press. The French president has
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Speaker 12: been talking about it. The UK Prime Minister had been
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Speaker 12: talking about it and he said, these are the fruits
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Speaker 12: of the seventh of October. We Harmas are harvesting the
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Speaker 12: fruits international recognition from our terrorist attack of the seventh
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Speaker 12: of October Tamas. Their military campaign has been a success,
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Speaker 12: regardless of the cost of their civilian lives or how
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Speaker 12: much damage is done to their people, which they don't
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Speaker 12: care about. To their mind, they have moved further towards
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Speaker 12: palastin statehood because of this international recognition, because of their tactics,
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Speaker 12: and they will be welcoming Australia's decision today as a
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Speaker 12: further step towards the realization of a state which comes
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Speaker 12: about without any concession of being made to Israel, and
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Speaker 12: a state of affairs which further delegitimizes and marginalizes Israel diplomatically.
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Speaker 12: For Harmas, this is a win on both counts.
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Speaker 4: And as Mike Kelly pointed out, so well, they get
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Speaker 4: all of that and they still keep the hostages. Mike Kelly,
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Speaker 4: Dave Sharmap, thanks for joining me well after the break,
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Speaker 4: Big tech and independent artists juke it out over intellectual
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Speaker 4: property rights. Plus Trump takes over Washington and any extraordinary
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Speaker 4: crime crackdown. G EXO Strategies director Cameron Milner and Institute
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Speaker 4: of Public Affairs Research fellow Saxon Davidson loll join me
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Speaker 4: in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 4: Well, the scrap between the burgeoning AI tech industry and
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Speaker 4: artists protecting their intellectual property is heating up, with UK
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister Keirs Starmer looking poised to allow AI developers
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Speaker 4: unfettered access to the work of artists, musicians, writers and journalists.
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Speaker 4: Here was treasured Jim Chalmer's take on it all.
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Speaker 14: Today, we're working very hard with Ed's successor, Tim Ayres,
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Speaker 14: with Andrew Charlton, with other colleagues to make sure that
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Speaker 14: we find that responsible middle path so that we can
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Speaker 14: capture the tremendous upsides of AI at the same time
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Speaker 14: as we manage the very real risks, whether it's to
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Speaker 14: creators or workers and the like.
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Speaker 4: Joining me now is GXO Strategies director Cameron Milner and
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Speaker 4: Institute of Public Affairs Research fellow Saxon Davidson. Cameron, you've
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Speaker 4: written a piece in The Nightly expressing your concern that
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Speaker 4: what you call legal larceny will make its way to
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Speaker 4: Australian say the policy is a brazen case of daylight
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Speaker 4: robbery and they want our government to be a willing accomplice.
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Speaker 3: What's the solution here?
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Speaker 4: We want AI to obviously be a big thing in Australia,
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Speaker 4: but we also want to protect artists' rights.
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Speaker 3: Is there a way to do both?
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Speaker 15: Well, there is. It's for big tech to pay up.
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Speaker 15: I mean, if the data is so valuable, if that's
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Speaker 15: the data they absolutely need to drive their AI engines,
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Speaker 15: then pay for it, license it, you know, pay people
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Speaker 15: for their property rights. No, what big tech wants is
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Speaker 15: they want weak politicians to hand over creative industries are data,
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Speaker 15: journalist data, news data, everything for free in a daylight robbery,
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Speaker 15: that's what they want. They want the big steel for
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Speaker 15: big tech. That's the problem James, and he wants politicians,
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Speaker 15: weak politicians to roll over and give it to them.
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Speaker 15: And unfortunately the example is that Sekir Starmer has done
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Speaker 15: exactly that, Labor has done exactly that in the UK,
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Speaker 15: and only the House of Lords is holding that up
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Speaker 15: at the moment, handing over troves after troves of property
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Speaker 15: that people actually developed in the creative industries and in
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Speaker 15: the news sector as well, those rights are huge risk
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Speaker 15: in the UK, and I believe that equal rights are
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Speaker 15: at huge risk here in Australia also all right.
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Speaker 4: Former Tasmanian Green Senator Bob Brown has made a rallying
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Speaker 4: cry against the Albanzy governments planned one Billiar Robins Island
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Speaker 4: wind farm, promising to mobilize protests unless the government backs down.
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Speaker 4: Bob Brown said today besides subsidizing the slaughter of Tasmania's
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Speaker 4: native forests and wildlife, backing these destructive but unnecessary projects
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Speaker 4: in Tasmania means Albanezy and Federal Environment Minister Murray what
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Speaker 4: will bring on the biggest public confrontation with environmental defenders
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Speaker 4: here since the Franklin damn Sex And this is probably
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Speaker 4: the first time I've been on the side of Bob Brown.
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Speaker 4: But will he speak up against all the other wind
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Speaker 4: farms or only this one that's in his backyard?
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Speaker 16: Well, I think that's the hypocrisy of it all. He
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Speaker 16: will only talk against the one that's in his own backyard.
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Speaker 16: And we see this all the time from the teals
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Speaker 16: and green types when it comes to renewable energy. There's
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Speaker 16: no way that there would be wind farms on Beach
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Speaker 16: Road here in Melbourne or a Manly Beach or Bondi
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Speaker 16: Beach in Sydney. They pack them away in the Darling
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Speaker 16: Downs or Queensland and western Victoria, or in the central
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Speaker 16: west of New South Wales. It's the biggest hypocrisy of
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Speaker 16: them all. And Bob Brown is one of the most
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Speaker 16: notorious environmentalist thing renoable energy pushes in Australian history, at
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Speaker 16: least in the last thirty or so years. And as
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Speaker 16: soon as you know, it's in his backyard and Tasmania,
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Speaker 16: it can't be here. It has to be somewhere else
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Speaker 16: because it affects Tasmanians well. These wind factories affect other.
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Speaker 7: Communities as well.
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Speaker 16: I don't see Bob Brown standing up for them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I look forward to Bob Brown traveling the length
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Speaker 4: and breadth of Australia campaigning against earth these wind farms quickly.
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Speaker 4: President Donald Trump has taken control of Washington, DC's Metropolitan
45:45
Speaker 4: Police Department, deploying the National Guard in an attempt to
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Speaker 4: crack down on crime, and even America's left wing ABC
45:52
Speaker 4: News anchor confirmed that crime is indeed out of control
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Speaker 4: in DC.
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Speaker 17: Have a listen, I can tell you firsthand here in
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Speaker 17: downtown d C where we were right here around our bureau.
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Speaker 17: Just in the past six months, you know, there were
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Speaker 17: two people shot. One person died literally two blocks down
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Speaker 17: here from the bureau.
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Speaker 9: It was within the last.
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Speaker 17: Two years that I actually was jumped walking just two
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Speaker 17: blocks down from here. And then just this morning one
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Speaker 17: of my co workers said her car was stolen a
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Speaker 17: block away from the bureau.
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Speaker 9: So we can talk about the.
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Speaker 17: Numbers going down, but crime is happening every single.
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Speaker 4: Day, Cameron. It's Washington, d C today, New York tomorrow.
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Speaker 4: It's a bold move by Trump.
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Speaker 15: Well, I was actually in the White House twenty five
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Speaker 15: years ago and DC was a criminal organization. Then it
46:42
Speaker 15: was terrible. I mean there was a section between the
46:44
Speaker 15: White House and Jupont Circle that was safe and we
46:46
Speaker 15: were told never to leave that area because DC was lawless.
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Speaker 15: It was the murder capital twenty five years ago of
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Speaker 15: the US, if you can believe that. So, no, I
46:53
Speaker 15: think not a moment too soon. Let's clean clean up
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Speaker 15: the nation's capital. If that meets putting the National Guard
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Speaker 15: on the streets because the cops do their job, let's
47:01
Speaker 15: just do it. Let's clean up DC sex.
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Speaker 4: And I'm just wondering if there's viewers watching in Melbourne
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Speaker 4: who think, you know, bring Donald Trump to Victoria.
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Speaker 16: Well, I mean, one could only hope, so. I mean,
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Speaker 16: but the backlash from the left that you've seen in
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Speaker 16: America is so typical of what you see from the
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Speaker 16: left when.
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Speaker 3: It comes to crime.
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Speaker 16: Trump put one on a mandate which was very much
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Speaker 16: based on law and order, cleaning up America and making
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Speaker 16: sure that community safety was at the forefront of what
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Speaker 16: America's politicians were focusing on. And this backlash that you
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Speaker 16: see from the left in America is exactly the same
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Speaker 16: as what you see the left here in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: Especially in Melbourne, violent crime is up.
47:41
Speaker 16: The city has never been dirtier, and all of a
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Speaker 16: sudden we've got the Lord mayor focusing on the real issues,
47:45
Speaker 16: such as in digitizing the calendar and.
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Speaker 3: Making six seasons.
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Speaker 16: I mean, give me a break. Crime and law in
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Speaker 16: order is more important now here in Melbourne than ever,
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Speaker 16: and there just seems to be no attention paid to it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, although camer and I suspect there may well
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Speaker 4: be a few elites in Washington who talk soft soft
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Speaker 4: on crime but are privately quite happy that Trump's doing
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Speaker 4: something to clean up the streets. I got fifteen seconds,
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Speaker 4: just give us a quick comment on that.
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Speaker 15: Look, the good Democratic burghers and George shall be very
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Speaker 15: very happy. It's safe now to travel around DC because
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Speaker 15: of Donald Trump.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, gentlemen, thanks for your time tonight, really appreciate it, and.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning in this evening. That's it from me.
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Speaker 4: Sharry will be back tomorrow, but stick around because coming
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Speaker 4: up in just a moment is the wonderful Paul Murray.
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Speaker 3: He's up next. Good Night,