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How to Fix Thyroid Dysfunction, Fatigue, and Weight Gain Ancestrally & Naturally | Dr Amie Hornaman · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

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  Welcome back to Everyday Incestral, where we challenge modern norms with ancestral truths.
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  Feel like your body isn't responding no matter what you try.
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  Dr. Amy Horniman's here to explain why your thyroid could be the missing piece.
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  Known as the thyroid fixer, Dr. Amy is a functional medicine practitioner
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  who's helped thousands of people especially women break through fatigue,
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  weight struggles, and hormonal chaos by fixing what traditional medicine often misses the thyroid.
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  Amy, Dr. Amy, let's get right into it. There's a lot of misinformation out there around thyroid
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  mistakes doctors make. So what's one thyroid myth? You wish everyone would just stop believing
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  right now. That TSH is the only test that you need to do. And this is just ingrained in conventional
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  medicine. Every single medical practitioner that goes through to traditional conventional training,
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  med school, nurse practitioner school, whatever medical training is out there right now,
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  it's almost like there's this collective brainwashing happening and it's maddening.
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  And what they're being taught is all you need to do is test TSH. And if TSH is flagged high,
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  which we can get into the the ridiculousness of the actual standard lab value ranges that are on
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  your labs, but if TSH thyroid's stimulating hormone is flagged high, then you give this person this
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  little pill called sinthroid and you send them on their way and you wish them luck and tell them
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  we'll check you out in six months. Meanwhile, you walk out of the office going but wait, wait, wait,
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  the doctor didn't address why I'm gaining weight or why I can't lose weight or why I'm tired or
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  why my hair is falling out or why I'm concentrated and depressed and anxious and can't think straight.
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  I'm just supposed to live with this for six months until he retests me again. Really? That is
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  the biggest misconception, misinformation, myth, whatever you want to call it out there about the
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  thyroid and people are being told that every single day in their doctor's office. So people are
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  probably wondering why on a on a podcast about ancestral living called everyday ancestral, we're
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  talking about thyroid's, which is very a modern kind of term, modern techniques of medicine,
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  hormone replacement, all that kind of stuff. So let's just address it right here. Is there a natural
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  way to address thyroid health? Absolutely. Well, here's the thing. The thyroid plays beautifully
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  into ancestral living because the role of the thyroid gland is that it runs the show. It runs
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  your entire body. So I always say head to toe. It runs the show. So from your brain function to your
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  hair growth, your energy, your metabolism, your muscle movement, your joint movement, your GI
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  motility, whether or not you poop every day is determined by your thyroid and people don't realize
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  that because we don't have enough of a spotlight on the master gland. It is the master gland. So
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  however far back we go in time, our ancestors, they depended on their thyroid gland working
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  so that they could go out and hunt so that they could go out and plow a field so that they could
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  have the energy to do. I mean, let's face it way more than the average American does today
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  in terms of exercise, movement, energy expenditure. They needed their thyroid's working properly.
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  So when we look back, and I mentioned this off air, but it's worth saying again, the OG thyroid
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  medication was a dried out pig's thyroid gland. Now this goes all the way back to the 1800s,
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  but I would bet even earlier if we really dig into our ancestors. And when people felt sluggish,
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  when they started gaining weight, when their faces became like a moon face and poofy and round,
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  the the tribe doc would look and go, you know, it's looking James like you might have a thyroid
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  problem. We got some swelling going on. You got you got some water retention here.
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  Okay, I got something for you. And they would give you
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  desiccated thyroid. That is now known as natural desiccated thyroid medication, i.e.
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  armor thyroid, NP thyroid. Maybe you've heard those terms before, but that's really what it is.
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  We were giving the body the thyroid hormone that was no longer being properly produced by that body.
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  And our ancestors knew it. And they just knew a simple way to address it. We didn't need big
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  pharma. We didn't need doctors testing, not testing. We didn't need lab markers or the little
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  H or L next to your number. The doctor would look at you and go, well, yeah, I mean, you have all
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  the symptoms of it. It kind of looks like you got a thyroid problem. So let's try this and people
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  would get better. Then we move into the 1900s. And that's when big pharma moves in. That's when
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  doctors are getting brainwashed that all you need is sinthorid, all you need is libothyroxen,
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  all you need is this inactive thyroid hormone T4. That's all you need. You don't need that natural
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  stuff anymore. You don't need the active thyroid hormone anymore. And that's really where we fall
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  short in medicine. Actually, if we went back in time, we would have a lot of people feeling better
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  than they do today because we would be using those ancestral practices of treating the thyroid,
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  of replacing thyroid hormone with thyroid hormone naturally, while at the same time doing all
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  the things that just support the body, doing all the things that you talk about on this podcast,
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  from the way that we eat to getting organ meats into getting natural light, sleep, all of those
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  things that should be just a foundation while we then work on those deficiencies that come up,
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  especially as we age. Wow. What a powerful
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  just answer. I mean, genuinely, I think that you really bridge that gap of
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  that like supports like. I mean, it's something I talk about all the time. The part of the animal
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  you eat is the part that it supports in you. And you eat the pig glandular. It's going to
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  support the human glandular. That's fantastic. So what do you think is causing so much habit?
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  Like has thyroid issues, have they just been there? Have they been prevalent forever?
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  Is this just part of being human? Or have we seen an increase in thyroid issues? And are
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  it almost sounds like you're equating like the issues really started to rise when the pharmaceuticals
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  came in, but I don't know, is that, is that what you're saying? Well, you know, I mean, we know
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  even animals can have thyroid issues. When we look at hypothyroidism, low and slow thyroid function,
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  95% of that is autoimmune. So it's term Hashimoto's or Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. So this is
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  where your immune system gets confused, sees the thyroid gland as a bad guy and goes out and
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  basically attacks the thyroid glands. So if we look at other autoimmune conditions to better
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  understand it, you've heard the term rheumatoid arthritis. That is when those soldiers, those
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  little autoimmune antibodies go out and they attack your joints. And then you have rheumatoid arthritis.
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  You could have celiac. And that's where those soldiers go out and they attack the the
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  villi in your small intestine and thus celiac. So same thing with Hashimoto's. They're attacking
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  your thyroid because they think it's a bad guy. Now autoimmune has been around forever. I mean,
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  just part of human physiology, but to answer your question, yes. Of course, we have seen an
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  increase in an uptick because number one, we're just living longer. Age is a factor. There's
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  something called phyropause, which happens mainly in women, also in men, as you move through
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  parimenopause, menopause, andropause as you're losing those hormones, the sex hormones, like testosterone,
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  estrogen, progesterone, that can actually trigger Hashimoto's to present itself. So a lot of times
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  we see Hashimoto's or all the symptoms that I mentioned, the weight gain, the hair loss,
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  the constipation, the brain fog show up really from 40 and beyond because that's when our hormones
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  are kind of going on a wild rollercoaster ride. In addition, we also have the environment, of course,
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  as you talk about on the podcast, we are exposed to so many additional toxins now. I mean, even
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  babies being born. Now, this study came out years ago where they looked at, I believe they looked
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  at the umbilical cord, or the placenta, or they tested something at birth, and they found that
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  there was over 200 chemicals in the, I mean, the umbilical cord, the placenta, whatever, I mean,
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  whatever it was, they tested it shouldn't be there. You know, there shouldn't be 200 chemicals
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  that a baby developing in the womb is exposed to. So what do you think that baby's immune system
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  is going to be like? And then add on top of that, what if it's a C section? Okay, now you don't get
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  the birth canal coating of the skin with the beneficial bacteria and not affects the baby's
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  immune system as well. So we, we're kind of, we're in a war right now, James, like our bodies are
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  basically in a toxin war on a day-to-day basis, which absolutely increases the prevalence of
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  all autoimmune conditions, and specifically Hashimoto's. You know, I've heard this before,
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  and I'm sure you have as well, and you kind of loosely mentioned it. I've heard that autoimmune
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  illness, disease, uh, that, that it targets women, that we're at least we're seeing it more,
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  show it more in women. Why do you think that is? Well, because you guys have more testosterone
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  than we do and testosterone is very protective. So that's one of the reasons why. So testosterone,
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  even, even if we look at a man with low T, he's still going to have more testosterone than a woman,
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  that's right, and a woman, you know, not taking exogenous testosterone therapy. So that testosterone
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  is actually very, very protective. It's like a protective armor against autoimmunity.
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  And in addition, women have more fluctuating hormones. So we have that 28-day cycle,
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  whereas you men, you pretty much stay stable throughout the whole month. And that hormonal fluctuation
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  also sets us up for more autoimmunity as well. Interesting. Do you think, because this has come up
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  on the podcast before, particularly around the feminine and the masculine? That idea that,
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  you know, in many ways, this, this, I don't even know how long it's, I could say, a hundred years or
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  more, we've been in such a patriarchal kind of very male dominant energetic world, right? I mean,
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  to the point where women only just were able to vote in the 70s, right? I mean, like, and there's
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  still so many rights women don't even have around the world, right? So clearly, we are coming
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  out of a very male dominant society. Hopefully, that's my preferences that we come out of that,
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  and we enter more feminine. But to the point being that the structure of our society,
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  whether it's around career, whether it's around household, that it's not really conducive towards
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  that feminine energy, the hormonal balance of women. So in many ways, you see women in chronic
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  stress, like just have chronic stress, you see many women either under eating or overeating,
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  and then you see usually with women over exercising. How do you think that's affecting the thyroid?
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  It's huge, it's huge. Because, well, let's break this all down. So let's start with the masculine
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  feminine. Just, I mean, I can speak to that as an entrepreneur, right? I know that I am always
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  more in my masculine because I'm leading. I'm running a business on the CEO, CEO, I'm the leader,
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  I'm the founder, you know, I'm in this position of authority and you have to take on that
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  masculine energy to get stuff done. But the detriment of that is that it's hard to then just
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  shift on back to the feminine energy and shift over to being that like in my home and with my
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  husband and with my friends. So I think that pull that women feel, whether they're in tune with
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  it or not, that pull is a stressor and it's a stressor on the body. So that stressor, what we know
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  about autoimmune conditions is it's kind of like a three-legged stool and I love to give credit to
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  what was his name? Oh my gosh, Fassano, Alessio Fassano. And he gave the perfect analogy of a three-legged
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  stool with autoimmunity. On the one leg, you have the genetic predisposition. So your mom, your aunt,
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  your grandma, your sister had some kind of autoimmune. It doesn't even have to be Hashimoto's.
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  It can be rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, MS, whatever. Then the other leg, we have leaky gut, which
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  that's such a broad term. But let's just face it in this day and age with the depleted soil,
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  with the depleted nutrients, with a toxin exposure, we all have leaky gut. Guess what? You don't
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  even have the test for it. You have leaky gut. The third leg of the stool is the stressor. The stressor
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  that flips that switch to the on position. Now this could be pregnancy. I'm going to go wait a minute,
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  pregnancy. Like that's a beautiful natural thing. Yes, it is. But it's a huge stressor on the body.
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  I mean, you want to talk about a hormonal roller coaster ride. Oh my goodness. And then your body
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  is expanding by 20 to 60 pounds in a short amount of time. And then you lose it again. And you're
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  carrying another life. That is a stressor on the body. Sometimes we see Hashimoto's turn on after
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  a pregnancy, or maybe even in that thyroid pause state, that perimenopause, menopause state,
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  where hormones aren't going crazy. We'll see it turn on then, or it can even turn on after a very
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  stressful time. So it might be a death, a divorce, a move, something like that, or that shift of
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  moving from masculine to feminine and how stressful that is for the woman to do. Then we add
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  on top of that the different roles that a woman plays. Okay. So you're the owner of the CEO. Are you a
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  mother? Are you a wife? Are you a friend? Are you a daughter? Are you a sister? Are you a caretaker
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  of your parents now? Like there's a lot of other stressors that we don't even pay attention to
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  because we just think it's part of life. But we don't pay attention to how those are affecting
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  our body. Then the last point that you pointed out beautifully is the overexercising under eating.
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  I see this more when women are undiagnosed or misdiagnosed. When they're told that everything
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  is normal, your labs look good. It's normal. I just eat less and exercise more. Those words will
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  come out of a doctor's mouth. I was told that when I was in the throes of being misdiagnosed
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  six different times. So you tell a woman that she's normal. Everything is fine. It's called
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  medical gaslighting. That's all in your head. Just eat less and exercise more. You're just getting
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  old. There's nothing to worry about here. Then she goes away and she's like, wow, oh, maybe it is
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  my fault. Maybe I am eating too much. Maybe I do need to go to the gym twice a day and like seven days
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  a week and do like five crossfit classes. And that behavior in an attempt to normalize her body
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  and I get it. I get it. You will try anything when your body is literally rebelling against you.
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  But that behavior then is another stressor put on the body which can also affect thyroid function.
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  So you're doing these things to try to remedy the situation to get back to feeling like you,
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  but you're really only making the situation worse.
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  Yes. We are on worse enemy. How then how does one kind of observe themselves in this?
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  Maybe we start with how are you navigating? As you mentioned, you're the CEO. You're in charge,
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  but you're also a woman. You're a beautiful woman. You have a husband. You're in relationships.
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  So how are you balancing it? Or are you? The question right there.
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  Well, because I want to be honest that you and I both know there's so many of us in the
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  health field that aren't balancing it. We're helping everyone else, but we're not helping ourselves.
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  So we have to be honest about that. It's like, yeah, it's a struggle for all of us. So it's a
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  genuine question and it's okay if you haven't figured out of course. It's like, but I'm just curious,
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  how are you navigating these words? How are you navigating these waters?
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  I don't think I'm too bad at it. I might need a little bit of help, but I'm not too bad. So
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  for me, number one, I love what I do. And I know you do too. So I think that that joy
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  helps with the balance. I was just having this conversation with someone right before this.
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  And I said, you know, it's funny that we, we always talk about what you need to find balance.
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  Don't overwork and work life balance and take time off and this and that and I go, but
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  work is my joy. So would you tell me that I'm over painting? If painting was my hobby and my joy,
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  would you tell me that I'm overhiking? If hiking in nature was my joy? Good point, very good point.
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  No, but you'll tell me I'm overworking when work is my joy. Hmm, that's funny.
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  You know, so I think number one, you got to be doing what you love to do if you can,
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  if you have that ability. And that is part of my balance, honestly, is because half the time,
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  75% of the time I don't consider it work. The other part is putting up boundaries. So I do have my
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  my coffee time with husband, walk the dog and exercise in the morning. There are no meetings
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  that come in at that point of time. And that, that is my, that's my me time. And then at the end of
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  the day, I talk about those on my blog guys all the time. I got, I got my Netflix and my Netflix snack.
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  So that is my, that's my downtime. That's my decompression time. So having those, those things
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  bookending the day, even if there is stress that occurs in the, in the joyful work that happens
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  in the middle, it's like, it's okay because I have this to book ends. Love it. So that's how I
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  balance. Love it. But you now have opened the can of worms. So what's your Netflix snack?
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  My Netflix snack. So I take a, my, my protein powder, protein powder. So I take, it's a beef
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  isolate protein powder. And I put two scoops of it. So it's going to be 42 grams of protein,
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  a little mug. And then I'll splash a little bit of usually organic half and half or cream
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  or macadamia milk. And then just like a little bit of like almond butter or cashew butter.
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  Stir that up, let it get thick. And I eat like a, like a, like a fudge, like a pudding.
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  Love it. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Little fat balm basically. And I'm aware that a lot of people,
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  and I know you mentioned a few at the very top of the podcast, but I'm sure a lot of people don't
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  know what early signs of thyroid malfunction look like. Because clearly, if they're happening,
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  and we're seeing such an uptick, a lot of people are ignoring them because they don't know what to
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  look for. So what are some early signs of thyroid malfunction that we're ignoring?
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  So the big ones, the top three. And then I'll get into kind of like the, the little guys,
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  the people don't pay attention to the top three weight gain or just the inability to lose weight,
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  weight loss resistance, hair loss or hair thinning or breaking. And then fatigue. And the fatigue
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  usually isn't just like a, oh, she just can't wake up today. It is a bone crushing fatigue.
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  We're like, I can't even key my eyes open. I don't know how I'm going to get through the day.
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  It's that type of fatigue. Then we kind of trickle into the other symptoms that are very easily
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  blown off or bandated in the medical community with a drug. So we have insomnia. This is where
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  docs will be like, hey, you're have a sleeping pill anxiety depression here. Have an anti-depressant
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  cholesterol issues here. Have a statin instead of looking at what's causing those cholesterol
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  issues with causing the blood pressure issues with causing the insulin dysregulation and the glucose
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  dysregulation where someone looks type two diabetic and they're eating keto or carnivore.
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  That's the thyroid. So those kind of thing, joint pain, muscle pain, constipation. Those are the
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  big symptoms that that will appear and people will be aware of them because they directly impact
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  your quality of life. But these are the exact symptoms that when you go to your doctor, they will
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  dismiss you. They will give you a band-aid medication. They will tell you it's just part of
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  getting older. And I mean, let's face it, James. Nine times out of 10, you're going to look at the
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  doctor and he or she is out of weight. Never works out. Doesn't eat right. You see the counter behind
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  with the donuts and the drug rep snacks and all of that. So it's like, look at the source and
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  listen to your body. Those symptoms that are that you are becoming aware of now that we're talking
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  about them, those symptoms, I like to call them gifts as in like presents, Christmas gifts.
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  And you're going to be like, oh, yeah, great. You know, this extra 20 pounds that that's a gift.
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  I don't think so. It is because it's telling you that there's something going on that you need
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  to not ignore that you need to listen to. Now, the gifts can start shouting a little bit.
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  If you do ignore it and you blow it off and you believe your doctor is gaslighting,
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  but they are gifts given to you because they point you in a direction to look deeper into your
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  health and to do something about it. Yeah, it's interesting that gifts like to me, that's kind of like
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  life. Things are happening for us versus to us, right? I think about that a lot. Okay.
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  So what is the thyroid hormone people have never heard of?
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  Oh, I love this one. So, you know, if you listen to podcasts, if you've heard me talk, if you
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  dove down the rabbit hole of thyroid, you've definitely heard of T4 and T3 because those are the
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  two medications. So I mentioned earlier that the standard of care is we test TSH, if TSH is
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  high, we give T4. This is scintory, we both are oxygen, but T4 is inactive, but it is still in a
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  medication form and our bodies are supposed to take that T4 and convert it into T3. T3 is the
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  active thyroid hormone. That's what gets to your cells. That's what gives you a metabolism,
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  light your brain up, gives you energy. That is in medication form as well and the form of
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  Lyothyronane or cyt about. But then we have this other thyroid hormone that is not a pharmaceutical
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  drug. It's only available in supplemental form. For now, fingers crossed, we don't want big
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  private to get ahold of it. We want access. This is T2. T2 actually has over 35 years of studies
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  behind it. I personally have been studying here for about 18 years and it is I term it the
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  forgotten thyroid hormone because we don't place enough emphasis on it and I think the reason why
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  we don't place enough emphasis on it is because it's not a pharmaceutical. So T2, it is metabolically
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  active as in it works like T3 to give you a metabolism to stimulate that basal metabolic rate,
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  which is the amount of fat that you're just burning just sitting here. When I watch Netflix and
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  have a Netflix snack, it is actually increasing my metabolism as I am doing nothing. That is your
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  basal metabolic rate. It also improves energy. It reduces inflammation. It reduces oxidative stress.
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  It helps your body convert that inactive T4 thyroid hormone to the active T3 thyroid hormone.
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  And the most recent research I'm so excited about, it's crazy. It actually turns on a gene that
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  prevents fat accumulation. So it's basically telling the french fries and the pizza and your
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  little snacks that you're having. No, no, you're not coming on to my hip, but as an abs today,
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  please, and thank you. So I love that it is actually preventing fat gain while also
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  increasing thermogenesis, increasing the burning of store body fat and really helping people with
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  symptoms because that's the key is, you know, it's okay to treat the thyroid, but at the end of the day,
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  you want your life back. You want your symptoms gone. You really don't care how pretty your numbers are.
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  If you're carrying around an extra 20, 30 pounds and losing half of the hair on your head, right?
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  You want your symptoms gone. And that's where T2 is so beautiful. The other thing is that it
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  doesn't produce a negative feedback loop. So wait, what does this mean? Whenever you take thyroid
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  hormone, even if you're going back the ancestors, they're dozing out the pig thyroid gland,
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  it's still going to tell your brain to then speak to your thyroid. And basically to say like,
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  pay thyroid gland, you know what, you can take a break today. There's enough thyroid hormone in the
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  body. You don't have to work too hard. Just go over there and rest and relax. So it produces that
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  negative feedback loop. Same if you guys take testosterone, well, you're taking it because your
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  body's not producing enough of it anyways. But what it's going to do is shut down your natural
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  production. Anytime we take in a hormone, we're shutting down our natural production of that hormone.
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  And in some instances, we don't care because you're not doing a good job anyways of making that
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  hormone. So we're replacing it. But in the case of T2, it does not do that. So you can take it and
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  your doctor isn't going to go, oh my gosh, James, what are you taking here? Now your hyperthyroid,
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  your TSHs, the press, what's going on? It doesn't do that. It only works at the cell level at the
• 27:31
  mitochondrial level without having that negative feedback loop to the pituitary and hypothalamus
• 27:36
  in the thyroid. So really, anyone can take it. A big question that I get is, can I take this if I
• 27:43
  don't have a thyroid problem? And the answer is yes, because it's not going to create a thyroid
• 27:48
  problem. You know, I look back at my competition days when I was doing bodybuilding fitness figure.
• 27:55
  And I mean, let's face it, number one, the bodybuilders were the OGs of biohacking.
• 28:01
  Like, we were trying things on ourselves before all of y'all were using peptides and all that fun
• 28:06
  stuff, right? Totally. So, you know, back then, bodybuilders, fitness figure athletes would use
• 28:14
  T3 to lose weight for our competition because it's going to increase your metabolism and increase
• 28:20
  fat burning. The problem is is that T3 doesn't differentiate between muscle and fat. It'll burn both.
• 28:29
  So if you use and abuse T3 when you don't really need it, yeah, you're going to lose fat, but
• 28:34
  you're also going to lose muscle. And you're going to come out the other side of that show with
• 28:40
  a thyroid problem. So that's where I would see these girls. They'd look gorgeous the day of,
• 28:45
  oh my gosh, this beautiful body perfect in a bikini standing on stage and posing and oh my gosh,
• 28:52
  they're tan, they're gorgeous. And literally two weeks later, they're like 30 pounds heavier.
• 28:57
  Their body just just slingshot it back to normal and then some because now they have a thyroid
• 29:05
  problem because they were abusing T3. T2 doesn't do that. And I actually saw an interview with
• 29:10
  one of the trainers to the top professional athletes in that world. And he said, he's like,
• 29:17
  I don't let my female athletes because mainly females hold it. I don't have my female athletes
• 29:22
  use T3. I had them use T2 because it leaves their muscle alone, which they busted their butt to
• 29:29
  put on, leaves their muscle alone, only burns body fat. And it's not going to leave them with
• 29:36
  a thyroid problem after the show. They can come off of it and not regain all of that weight.
• 29:41
  Isn't that the issue like even the GLP ones as well? It's like, yes, they target fat, but
• 29:47
  you can't control where it targets fat. So you've seen all these people get these really
• 29:51
  skinny necks because it's targeting, you know, could be targeting brain fat. It's like, you don't
• 29:56
  know. You don't know. No, no, people are looking like older than they are. They're looking like
• 30:00
  skeletal. When they lose it, it's like called mongaro face or ozampic face. Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:06
  Yeah. So I see the care of this. Now, one of the issues that I have with any hormone replacement
• 30:12
  is kind of how it messes with my this really the perspective of why I started this podcast.
• 30:20
  I really am passionate about like as living as naturally as possible in this modern world, right?
• 30:26
  And so this idea that I would have to take something for the rest of my life feels so unnatural to
• 30:33
  me. So how how how can I reconcile that like or how do you recommend someone reconcile that?
• 30:39
  Because that is the truth, right? That once once you go down the hormone replacement route,
• 30:45
  it is forever, right? Well, yes. So let me answer that first. Let me ask you a question.
• 30:53
  Are you taking a supplement on a daily basis that you know is good for you?
• 31:00
  Like are you taking vitamin D every day? Are you using pluck every day? Are you taking magnesium
• 31:06
  every day? It's a really good point. I definitely use pluck every day. But see, it's funny even though
• 31:12
  I know that that's supplemental. I look at that as it's a food. It's a food. So it's different
• 31:17
  than if I were eating, you know, a blueberries or something like that. But but I this supplements I take
• 31:23
  are usually based off of testing. So I don't necessarily just I wouldn't do them otherwise. But yes,
• 31:30
  okay, keep going with this point because I think I think you're on. So all right, let's let's focus
• 31:35
  on vitamin D then. You know, some people can if you're lucky enough to live in the southern hemisphere
• 31:40
  and and and you go outside on a regular basis and you have the right genetics to actually take sunlight
• 31:49
  and produce it into vitamin D. So basically all of those things have to be present.
• 31:54
  Then okay, you get to skip vitamin D. But I would say 90% of the rest of us, especially us living in
• 32:00
  the northern half of the country. And those of us that really don't want to look like magda from
• 32:07
  something about Mary, we want to use sunscreen when we're outside and protect our precious days.
• 32:13
  We're going to have to supplement with vitamin D. So you take vitamin D daily and I'll tell you
• 32:19
  that is one thing that as soon as you get a regular with it or stop it, whoo, levels go down.
• 32:24
  We know that for a really robust immune system to protect us against cancer to protect us against
• 32:30
  colds viruses, we want that vitamin D to be like between 80 and 100. Oh, and by the way,
• 32:36
  vitamin D is not an actual vitamin. It's a hormone. So vitamin D is a hormone that we take every day
• 32:44
  to boost our immune system to protect us and boost our mood, all the all the beautiful things
• 32:50
  that vitamin D does, right? It's no different. You're just taking something to replace a hormone
• 32:57
  that's no longer being properly made. Now, I have one more really powerful analogy.
• 33:03
  If your child was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and the doctor comes in the room and goes,
• 33:08
  okay, I'm sorry your child does have type 1 diabetes, but that's okay. We can give you an insulin
• 33:14
  pump to replace insulin that hormone that their pancreas is no longer properly making. You would not
• 33:21
  at that point say, Doc, I'm going to hold off here because I want to do all things natural.
• 33:28
  The doc would say, well, then your child has about two to three months to live because you can't
• 33:32
  live without insulin. Thyroid is similar, a little bit different, but very, very similar. It's
• 33:40
  not going to be a two to three month death. It'll probably be over the course of years, maybe a
• 33:46
  decade where now heart disease is an increase. Now your immune system is depleted because it
• 33:54
  just can't function properly without thyroid hormone. Now you have brain fog, maybe early dementia
• 34:01
  because you don't have enough thyroid hormone. Now you gain weight and there's all those disease
• 34:06
  states associated with obesity and carrying excess fat, all because your thyroid hormone is low.
• 34:13
  So in certain instances, we do just have to replace that thyroid hormone and yeah, you got to take
• 34:21
  it every day, but the alternative is not a pretty one. Are there things that we can do to support
• 34:28
  naturally? Yes, absolutely. If we catch it in the early stages and this is where testing and
• 34:34
  proper diagnosis is key, but this is the problem in our conventional traditional medical system
• 34:41
  is that it's not caught early. It goes back to what we talked about in the beginning. There's a boat
• 34:45
  load of medical gaslighting going on where women are walking out of doctors' offices going like,
• 34:50
  oh, okay, well, maybe it's just me. And with that, they go sometimes years, sometimes decades
• 35:00
  with Hashimoto's. Their thyroid gland is being destroyed slowly by their body and they're not even
• 35:06
  aware of it. So they can't even implement the things like taking iodine, getting good sleep,
• 35:13
  getting sunlight, breathing fresh air, doing meditation, calming your nervous system, reducing stress,
• 35:19
  balancing your insulin, eating proper, you know, eating non-processed foods. All of those things
• 35:24
  are important, but if they've been living with a disease for 10 years that's gone unnoticed and
• 35:30
  undiagnosed, now they're at the point where it's like, it's too late. Now you need to replace
• 35:37
  that thyroid hormone because your thyroid has been destroyed for the last 10 to 20 years.
• 35:46
  And you really can. It's one of those scenarios where you can go too far. Once you go past that
• 35:53
  tipping point, you are now no longer in natural healing zone, like you need that modern medical
• 36:01
  support, is that what you would offer? Exactly. If we could catch people earlier,
• 36:08
  and really that's the purpose of this podcast, right? And that's the purpose of even talking
• 36:12
  about the symptoms, is so people can listen and go, oh, oh, maybe there is something going on with
• 36:19
  my thyroid. Okay. So maybe I do need to step it up a little bit. And with the foundational nutrients
• 36:27
  for the thyroid, we do need organ meat, we need iodine, we need magnesium, we need selenium,
• 36:33
  zinc, vitamin D, L-tyrosine, as an amino acid, we need those, those, I call those the note,
• 36:41
  that's the no dullest. Like, of course, Adele, you're going to take this every day. So that's the
• 36:45
  foundation list to naturally support your thyroid. And then on top of that is obviously nutrition
• 36:53
  and lifestyle. Like, nothing is going to work in a garbage dump, right? I mean, it's just not.
• 36:58
  So if you are treating your body the way that it should be treated and living an ancestral
• 37:04
  lifestyle, now you have a really, really strong foundation for healing. And now we have a shot.
• 37:11
  We have a shot. We caught it early. You're implementing the best practices. You're supporting
• 37:16
  it nutritionally and supplementally. Now you do have a shot at actually healing the thyroid
• 37:22
  naturally. Now there's one other layer to this. There are supplements that are thyroid glandulars.
• 37:30
  However, and my company produces one, we got a cease and desist letter from the FDA last year
• 37:37
  because the FDA is definitely removing all thyroid glandulars from the market.
• 37:42
  And they are coming after the natural desiccated thyroid medications. So part of my no dullest
• 37:48
  would be also, you know, take a thyroid glandular, just like our ancestors, they sprinkled a
• 37:53
  little bit of pig thyroid gland on their food and called it a day and felt better. That's part
• 37:57
  of natural healing, except it's being taken away from us by our government. Oh gosh.
• 38:03
  Yeah, let's let us, let's maybe all let that settle in. You know, it's a pain point for me
• 38:13
  because I think so often we're not realizing the hypocritical nature of even the discussion of
• 38:22
  like, oh, well, I want everyone to be required to get a vaccine, but I don't want someone to have
• 38:27
  control over my body. It's like, no, medical freedom is medical freedom. And the minute you lose one,
• 38:34
  you're opening the door to losing them all. And we're seeing that play out left and right,
• 38:41
  whether it's in the foods we're allowed to eat, the supplements we're allowed to take, or
• 38:48
  you know, the things that we get to control whether they enter or enter our body or not.
• 38:54
  Yeah, it's really upsetting to me.
• 38:59
  It is. And I mean, as we speak, as we're recording this podcast, this very weak in time,
• 39:06
  the food pyramid got flipped. Fantastic, absolutely amazing. However, there's still so much more to do.
• 39:14
  There's so much more to do. And just like you said, just that medical freedom piece,
• 39:19
  we can't have wins over here while an alphabet soup, three letter governmental agency
• 39:28
  is dictating our supplements, is taking away a medication from the 1800s or even before that,
• 39:36
  because it didn't go through their testing procedure. There's something much deeper, much more
• 39:42
  fishy about that. But it's almost like, you know, when we remove that medical freedom,
• 39:49
  we lose our ability to stay well. And we enter into sickness faster.
• 39:57
  So you may have already answered it, but I'm just curious if there's a deeper answer.
• 40:03
  So what is the basic or what is the biggest opportunity modern medicine still ignores
• 40:10
  about thyroid and metabolic health? I think it really is about treating the thyroid as the
• 40:18
  root cause. So I get this question a lot. They're like, people are like, what's the root cause of
• 40:22
  my thyroid problem? I go, that is the root cause. So we could look at, okay, you're a woman,
• 40:29
  you don't have as much testosterone as a man. Maybe that's it. You got pregnant, you went through
• 40:33
  paramedics, or menopause, you went through andropause, you overexercise, you under eight, you took
• 40:37
  birth control for 10 years. Maybe you have Epstein bar virus. That's one of the triggers.
• 40:43
  We can't really undo any of that. You know, we can't unhave a baby, we can't reverse Epstein bar
• 40:49
  virus. So it becomes now the thyroid problem that was caused by whatever is the root cause of your
• 40:59
  heart disease, your high cholesterol, your insulin resistance, your type 2 diabetes, your weight gain,
• 41:04
  your brain fog, your anxiety, your depression, your insomnia, your constipation, your heartburn.
• 41:09
  You don't need a PPI, you don't need a stool softener, you don't need an antidepressant,
• 41:12
  you don't need a stat, and you don't need a blood pressure medication or a sleeping pill,
• 41:15
  you need to treat the thyroid. But if we do that, how many pharmaceuticals come off the table?
• 41:23
  All that whole list that I just rattle off, how much money, how many billions of dollars is that
• 41:30
  coming out of the big pharma industry if you just treat the thyroid? It's too simple.
• 41:36
  I don't think it'll ever happen because follow the money trail.
• 41:40
  Yeah, well that's the argument around cancer research and solutions as well.
• 41:46
  Yeah, really, the deeper down the rabbit hole we go with this medical system and just the
• 41:53
  structure of our society, particularly American society. It just feels so clear that
• 42:01
  the government doesn't have our backs. That's so upsetting on so many levels, but the biggest
• 42:09
  one is because we humans make up the government. Why do we not have humanity? Why do we not
• 42:18
  have humanity's back? Let's bridge the ancestral wisdom with modern physiology.
• 42:23
  So how do ancient rhythms, like day night cycles, seasonal eating,
• 42:29
  rest and activity influence thyroid health in ways most people miss?
• 42:35
  So I think it really comes down to the simplistic answer of inflammation.
• 42:41
  And it's almost too simple, but yet it's so powerful. So when we get out of a natural rhythm,
• 42:48
  circadian rhythm, when we get away from eating real whole foods and we start putting these
• 42:56
  Frankenstein foods into our bodies that our body just doesn't even know what to do with.
• 43:00
  Never had that before. It's a man-made chemical that creates inflammation.
• 43:07
  And any kind of inflammation is going to affect the master gland of your body, right?
• 43:12
  Inflammation is not just, oh, my elbow hurts. It's inflamed.
• 43:18
  Now we're talking about full-body systemic inflammation. And that's going to affect every
• 43:23
  area of your body. But the thyroid is a very, very sensitive gland. And it reacts and responds
• 43:31
  to the things that we do. So even really, I mean, even just having a virus, you know, I'll see
• 43:39
  my patients go into almost an autoimmune attack and autoimmune flare because they were exposed
• 43:46
  to the common cold. And that kicked up inflammation in their body to where they're like,
• 43:52
  oh my gosh, I'll have a sudden put on five to ten pounds. Now I'm tired all the time.
• 43:55
  I was feeling fine before now. I got the brain fog back. It's almost like I went backwards.
• 44:00
  And it's like, well, you kind of did because the inflammation in your body down-regulated
• 44:05
  your thyroid production, your thyroid hormone production. And even if you're on thyroid hormone,
• 44:11
  you might need a tweak in your dose. And I teach my patients that all the time. If you go through
• 44:16
  a major sickness, if you go through a stressor, if it's the winter, sometimes we need extra
• 44:23
  thyroid support. So yeah, hopefully that answered your question. I kind of went off on a tangent
• 44:30
  there, but I really think it comes down to pulling in those ancestral practices
• 44:39
  as a core basis. And if we get out of that, don't be surprised if your thyroid gland tanks. Don't
• 44:47
  be surprised if you get all of those symptoms that we talked about today because of inflammation
• 44:53
  at the root. So when it comes to real transformation, like labs, medication, lifestyle,
• 45:02
  and stress adaptation, where would you start if someone is already doing, you know, in
• 45:09
  quotations, everything, right? But it's all struggling. Yeah, which is really most people,
• 45:14
  that's their mindset, right? Most people that probably come to you say, I'm doing all the right
• 45:18
  things and yet I'm still struggling. So yes, yeah. So number one, we have to look at that and see,
• 45:25
  are they right? Are they really doing all the right things? But many of them are. Many of them
• 45:31
  are doing all the things I was. I mean, I was doing all the things and the scale kept going up
• 45:37
  and doctors kept telling me I was normal. Everything was fine. So, you know, when people say that,
• 45:41
  I tend to believe them because I know that desperation that you get into were literally, I mean,
• 45:47
  you're over biohacking yourself because you're trying literally everything. And at that point,
• 45:54
  it's like, okay, slow down. Let's not over biohack because, you know, too much tech is too much tech
• 46:01
  as well. Like we can really have too many red lights and devices and PMF mats and, you know,
• 46:08
  frequency things and age bots and all of that. I mean, they're all great, but we can over do it.
• 46:15
  And forget about nature and forget about how our bodies were made and forget about the simplistic
• 46:23
  act of, of putting, you know, turning your screens off, putting your phone away before bed,
• 46:30
  reading a book, go figure, a lost art that I need to bring back into my life too.
• 46:37
  We forget about those natural practices. Now, this kind of goes back to the question that we,
• 46:43
  we talked about earlier of at what point of time do we let modern medicine come in?
• 46:49
  So when you are doing all the things and you are still suffering with symptoms,
• 46:55
  that's when it's time to say, hey, maybe I need to replace some hormones. Maybe I need to replace
• 47:02
  the hormones that are no longer being properly made by my thyroid. And you can start supplementally.
• 47:08
  I mean, you can start with T2. You can start with iodine. You can start with magnesium and zinc
• 47:12
  and salineium. And then if that doesn't move the needle enough and you're still on the struggle bus,
• 47:18
  then that's where you test thoroughly and then you open yourself up to
• 47:23
  thyroid hormone replacement. And I like to call it that too. I don't like to call it medication,
• 47:28
  because medication does get a bad rap. I mean, well, as it should, I don't want people on the
• 47:32
  band-aid medications. I don't want them on the antidepressants on the stands. I would rather give you
• 47:38
  a thyroid hormone and treat the root cause, low thyroid function, and then watch all of those
• 47:46
  other medications that you're on fall by the wayside, because you really don't need them because
• 47:51
  that is the root cause. Love that. Yeah. So what's one thing you've changed your mind about
• 47:58
  in your practice, something that might surprise even well-informed health seekers?
• 48:04
  Oh, dang, that's a good question.
• 48:09
  It's going to come back to the GLP ones. So, this is such a big topic, James. So, you know,
• 48:15
  when they first came out, I really come full circle. When they first came out,
• 48:20
  I called them Beverly Hills soccer mom drug of choice for weight loss because
• 48:25
  everybody was taking it, right? All the stars, all the celebrities, everybody was on a GLP.
• 48:31
  And they're really not even GLP ones anymore. That's semi-glutine. Now we're into two and three and
• 48:34
  four. Everyone was on a GLP, losing weight, losing facial fat, losing muscle. I myself tried it,
• 48:41
  and I am very open about it in that I lost muscle. I absolutely lost muscle. Even though I was doing
• 48:50
  all the things that they tell you to do, lift heavy, add in protein, you know, it was the dose
• 48:55
  was too high, I lost muscle. Then, you know, I started looking into this microdosing thing.
• 49:01
  And the benefits of microdosing and lowering inflammation, and there's still some benefits there.
• 49:07
  However, in that microdosing conversation, as we're talking about all the benefits of a very,
• 49:13
  very small tiny dose of GLPs, we have people saying they're microdosing, but they're not.
• 49:21
  And now they're relying on a GLP for everything. It's like they're throwing the baby out with
• 49:28
  the bath water. They're literally relying on a GLP. They're not eating well. They're eating like
• 49:34
  garbage because they can get away with it. They're not taking supplements to support their body.
• 49:43
  And it's just, it's like we've gotten into this crazy skinny mentality where skinny is back in,
• 49:50
  and it's not, and that's not healthy. And losing muscle isn't healthy. And looking 10 years older
• 49:55
  in your face, because you look like skeletal, it's not healthy. That is not the picture of health.
• 49:59
  So I think honestly, my opinion has changed so much through the years on GLP ones or GLPs,
• 50:07
  in general, that naturally what has transformed the most, I would say. And I'm being way more
• 50:13
  outspoken about it lately in that, and I've always been honest with my audience. I'm honest when I
• 50:18
  take something, I'm honest about the results. I'm honest about my opinion. And yes, my opinion
• 50:24
  will change as time moves on because now I'm seeing it become a problem. Right. I mean, we're always
• 50:30
  looking for that magic pill, right. Everybody's always looking for it. Just yeah, golden ticket.
• 50:38
  Amy, you're a, I mean, I'm known you for years now, but you're a fantastic guest. Like,
• 50:45
  I love how relatable you are able to convey very complex information. I mean, really, are you open
• 50:52
  to us going even more personal, because we both know some stuff that's happened for you. And I'm
• 51:00
  just curious. You got diagnosed with cancer. And can you share a little bit less about the
• 51:10
  diagnosis, but more about the vulnerability that brought up for you? Because here you are an
• 51:16
  influencer, a doctor or someone who talks these things. And that's how I learned about it was you
• 51:22
  being very vulnerable about like the thing that I'm always telling people, you know, to do so they
• 51:29
  can avoid this. I got this. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. No, I'm completely open about it because I believe
• 51:36
  knowledge is power. And if we can share our experiences and be open about how we feel about it,
• 51:43
  it's only going to help the next person. So last April, I was diagnosed with uterine cancer.
• 51:49
  And previous to that, I had had a few different biopsies that showed atypical cells in my
• 51:55
  uterus, but it wasn't yet cancer. And at the time, the doctors didn't want me to have a
• 52:00
  hysterectomy. I wasn't ready yet to give up my female parts, my female reproductive parts.
• 52:08
  But as it morphed and as I had biopsy after biopsy, it eventually came back as the big C.
• 52:15
  And that really sent me on a journey of kind of self discovery. I mean, just everything that you
• 52:21
  said James is, wait a minute, I'm doing all the things. I'm doing all the things. I am healthy. I'm
• 52:29
  doing all the things that I tell everybody else to do. How did this happen to me at such a young
• 52:34
  age? And I think everyone that gets that seed hypnosis goes through the same thought process. Why
• 52:41
  me? What did I do? What did I not do? Did I expose myself to something? Is it because I live in
• 52:48
  Iowa now and they spray glyphosate over there on the fields? You know, and it really took me down
• 52:54
  this rabbit hole of looking for the Y. And then it also sent me down a path, which I'm still on,
• 53:02
  of prevention or IE making my body uninhabitable to cancer so that I never hear that word again.
• 53:13
  And you know, it doesn't matter whether you're diagnosed stage one, two, three, or four,
• 53:20
  it's still the big C diagnosis. I was lucky enough blessed enough to be at a stage one,
• 53:27
  but I completely just empathize deeply with anyone that has heard that word because when you
• 53:34
  hear cancer, it doesn't matter what stage it is. You don't care. You just heard the big C word
• 53:40
  that you never thought you would hear in your life. You know, you thought it was everybody else.
• 53:45
  Everybody else gets this. All the people that I treat to get this, not me, not me. So, yes, it brings
• 53:53
  up a lot of vulnerability and a lot of exploration. So, I'll share something with you that I have not
• 54:00
  shared yet that I will be doing a podcast on. I think I found the why. So, I was meeting with a
• 54:08
  brilliant, brilliant doctor and I really wanted to go over because we do hormone therapy at the clinic,
• 54:15
  but I don't like to do my own. Like, I like somebody else to think for me. So, I was meeting with this
• 54:20
  brilliant doctor who also specializes in oncology and tied to hormones and we were kind of going
• 54:29
  through my history and he says, did you have COVID? And I said, yeah, I did. I was at an event,
• 54:37
  mind share event, like 25 of us got it right in the beginning and it was bad. You know, I was in
• 54:43
  bed. Oh, man, I lost my sense of taste and smell of the whole thing. He's like, well, I think that's
• 54:49
  your why because we are right now seeing cancers, turbo cancers, yes, tied to the vaccine,
• 54:58
  but also tied to just having COVID. Now, I did not have the vaccine, but I had COVID pretty bad.
• 55:04
  And he said, you know, if you think about it, it's a man-made virus. It's a biological weapon.
• 55:10
  It is shifting people's immune systems. We don't see you during cancer in 50-year-olds. We see it
• 55:16
  in 70-80-year-olds, not in 50-year-olds. He's like, I have been practicing for 20 years and I have
• 55:22
  never seen the rates of reproductive cancers like I am seeing right now, even in people that just
• 55:29
  had COVID. And he told me the story of a woman that he did a CT scan on. He was actually treating her
• 55:36
  thyroid. Did a CT scan? Everything was fine. Six months later, she's certain to get a horse in this
• 55:42
  inner voice. He does another CT scan. She is stage 4 lung cancer. In six months, now she had a very,
• 55:51
  very bad case of COVID where she landed in the hospital, basically pneumonia-like symptoms,
• 55:57
  all the things. It's like, oh my gosh. So now, now, we are all in this collective space together,
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  whether you had the max or didn't. If you had COVID, it's like, really? So now we have to be even more
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  vigilant of our health because we've had an attack on our immune systems that has changed our DNA
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  for good. So yeah, now my game has stepped up a little bit. Yeah. I mean, in the fact that you're
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  even declaring that it's a man-made virus, which I agree with, I think some people still don't
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  recognize me. Even some people might find that controversial. It's like, no, no, no, no.
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  Like, you don't understand nature doesn't show up like the way this did. This is all people made.
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  That may be the why, the kind of more practical why. But I asked you this when we saw each other
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  previously. It's funny. I wasn't going to bring it up, but you mentioned at the top of the
• 56:57
  podcast, you said, you basically said the why, like helping people understand the why. But there's
• 57:05
  also, and then I kind of backed it up and I said, well, yeah, life happens for us versus to us.
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  So right now, the why is it to us that you just explained. Have you done any, you know,
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  internal inner work to examine, how is this for me? Yes, yes, probably not enough, but I have
• 57:30
  done some. So my belief as to why I was given this gift is really to look at, have the ability
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  to look at my patients from a different light to take here their fears and fears even around
• 57:52
  hormone therapy, you know, because we just we just exited that dogma that we've been in for 20 years,
• 57:58
  the hormones cause cancer. So the government just took off the black box warning, let a month ago
• 58:05
  from hormones. So to really be able to meet my patients in a much deeper place and understand
• 58:14
  their fears, because before I was like, Oh, girlfriend, then you know, hormones don't cause cancer.
• 58:18
  Don't worry about it. Just move on. Take these. We're now it's like, yeah, I get it. That that
• 58:25
  C word is horrible. And I don't want you to ever hear it either. And I understand your fears.
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  And we're going to just slowly unpack them and address each one instead of just, oh,
• 58:39
  don't worry about it. It's nothing. It's it. No, those fears around hearing a cancer diagnosis
• 58:47
  are real. And especially if you've already heard it. And now you're in me, I never want to hear it
• 58:52
  again, say it's like, I am, you know, that brings up a many more fears. I mean, James, even, I mean,
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  gosh, even for myself, the holidays eating cookies, I was like, gosh, I'm eating sugar.
• 59:06
  I just want to have a bite of the Christmas cookie, but I shouldn't be in sugar. You know, I mean,
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  there's there's a lot that happens internally and mentally when you get that diagnosis.
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  And yes, of course, then you also look into cutting away anything toxic in your life. I mean,
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  yeah, you want a fast track to getting rid of toxic relationships, toxic people, toxic employees,
• 59:33
  get cancer because you will cut those cords faster than you ever have because you realize
• 59:42
  you don't have time anymore for a cortisol spike. You don't have a more time,
• 59:47
  effort or energy for negative people and negative attitudes. So in a way, it's kind of a blessing
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  and that you do get to cut away that negativity of your life because it changes you.
• 1:00:01
  Wow. Yeah. There's actually someone who started an organization, a friend of mine,
• 1:00:08
  who it's called one year to live. So the idea is that you treat your life as though you have one
• 1:00:16
  year to live. So what changes? What do you do? What are your choices? So I think that is a
• 1:00:20
  powerful lesson. And you know, the word that comes up to me when I hear what you just shared is
• 1:00:29
  community. You know, like you were already, you're already people's doctor, but I have a feeling
• 1:00:35
  the big C has even grounded you more in that community, like that you, you are part of that
• 1:00:46
  community of healing and supporting people on not just a physiological level, but like an emotional
• 1:00:54
  holding space, camaraderie, you know, like it's a piece I think is very much missing from our very
• 1:01:01
  digital, disjointed lives of that tribalism, you know, that kind of that we are in this together.
• 1:01:08
  Yes. Oh, I so resonate with that, especially like you said, the tech age that we're in,
• 1:01:14
  just communication is is fast. It's quick. It's a text. It's it's not deep anymore. And we need
• 1:01:22
  that deep relationship. We need that community to light us up. I mean, that's why that's why you and
• 1:01:29
  I go to these health conferences because it's not just to learn from the person on the stage.
• 1:01:35
  It's literally to like fill my bucket with people like minded people that just being in your
• 1:01:43
  presence, being in their presence, it just it fills me up. And it's it's almost like I get plugged
• 1:01:48
  in. I get reenergized. Now I'm like, okay, I'm good to go for another month or two until the next one.
• 1:01:53
  Yes. Whole heart of the agree. Okay. Final question. Something I ask everybody.
• 1:01:58
  If you could wave a magic wand and bring back one ancestral practice, what would it be?
• 1:02:06
  Oh, it's going to be the sleep thing. It's like, you know, let's light a fire, right? Like,
• 1:02:12
  get rid of these damn LED lights that are shining over head and that are shining at me right here
• 1:02:17
  because I need to look good on camera and my my computers here and my monitors here and my
• 1:02:22
  phones here. My earbuds are here. My microphones here. Can we just throw this all out? Like honestly,
• 1:02:28
  like this is the detriment of everyone. Man, I'm sitting literally in dirty electricity right now.
• 1:02:35
  No, we sleep is key. Sleep is key. It's so what's the word I'm looking for? It's it's it's almost
• 1:02:46
  overused. We over talk about it to where people going. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sleep. Okay.
• 1:02:52
  Next, what's the next topic? What are you going to tell me next? Like, no, no, no, come back,
• 1:02:56
  come back. Are you getting to bed by 10 o'clock between 10 and 2 is your rest and repair time?
• 1:03:04
  Oh, but I'm a night owl. No, no one's a night owl. That's not that's not how we were made.
• 1:03:09
  That's not how our ancestors lived. The sun went down. We lit a fire. Then we went to bed
• 1:03:15
  because our brains actually produce melatonin. I think bringing that practice back and I know
• 1:03:22
  people are trying with the different light bulbs and the blue light blocking glasses and all that.
• 1:03:25
  I think it's great, but I think we also need to shut things down. You know, the lights are fine,
• 1:03:32
  the glasses are great, but we need to get into the practice of shutting things down. Like I said
• 1:03:37
  earlier, bring back book reading, book reading by the fire light, you know, I think that would improve
• 1:03:44
  everyone's health, everyone. Love it. Amy, such a joy having you as a guest. It's always great
• 1:03:53
  connecting. Yeah, just I just love you and I am excited for people to hear this and I would
• 1:04:02
  love you to share with them how they can work with you or work with your team.
• 1:04:08
  Absolutely. Well, thank you, James. Thanks for having me on. I love hanging out with you.
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