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9-23-26 Hour 3 - Belief in Broncos vs Rams?/Expectations for Juju/Offense pick up the slack, stomach gremlin · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: much is on the line for you in belief or
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  Speaker 2: disbelief of the Broncos this weekend with how they look
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  Speaker 2: against the Rams, how they look?
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  Speaker 3: Well, certainly you want to be competitive. Anything short of
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  Speaker 3: competitive would be a major bummer. But looks can be deceiving.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how would you say they looked against Jacksonville?
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe bad.
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  Speaker 4: What part of the game, Vic? Ask me specific drives.
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  Speaker 4: Ask me specific quarters.
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  Speaker 3: What part of the game is most important, I guess?
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  Speaker 3: Fourth quarter. The final seconds of the game. How'd they look?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. They looked damn good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That game-sealing drive was a professional, well-put-together, well-executed game-sealing drive.
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  Speaker 3: You sound a bit desperate in... An effort to have
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos suddenly become this beast that just blows to you.
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  Speaker 3: That's not what they are. That's not what they're going
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  Speaker 3: to be.
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  Speaker 5: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's not what they do. I'll repeat sort of.
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  Speaker 5: Where I was at at the beginning of the show,
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  Speaker 5: which was.
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  Speaker 2: I know that, and I heard Crackman Lindahl talking about
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  Speaker 2: this too. Andy's been on this. Maybe this is just
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  Speaker 2: who they are. They're a team that's just going to
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  Speaker 2: look below average for a couple of quarters and then
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  Speaker 2: come back and win football games. The question that I
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  Speaker 2: have is when you're playing the elite teams in this league,
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  Speaker 2: is that something that can still happen against them?
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Can that happen against the Rams? Can that happen against
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  Speaker 2: the Niners? Can that happen against the Seahawks? In the
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  Speaker 2: case of the first week of the season, now there
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  Speaker 2: were other stuff going into it, and I think we
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  Speaker 2: all agree. I think for both the Rams and the Broncos,
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  Speaker 2: you ball up week one, you throw it out the
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  Speaker 2: window because both of those games were weird. But I
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  Speaker 2: think when you play against better teams– that sort of
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  Speaker 2: style of late-game comeback can be nullified in a hurry
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  Speaker 2: by the better teams in the league.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I'm getting at. That's true.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's also nullified by statistics, Brett. Odds. 9-2 last
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  Speaker 4: year with the Denver Broncos in the 11-1 score games, correct? 9-2. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: That's way above the average, Vic. And again, when we
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  Speaker 4: look at the data, the raw data, in terms of
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  Speaker 4: turnover ratio... time of possession, so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 4: The data does not back up a team that was
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  Speaker 4: 9-2 in 11 one-score games. The odds of them coming
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  Speaker 4: back to the mean are much greater this season. So
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  Speaker 4: whether it's against really good teams, Brett, or even average teams,
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  Speaker 4: the odds of doing that, especially on the road, are
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  Speaker 4: very slim. I mean, not very slim, but But I
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  Speaker 4: guess the thing to hang your hat on is at
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  Speaker 4: least they have that pedigree now. At least they have
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  Speaker 4: the belief inside that room and inside that huddle that
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  Speaker 4: they can do it if they need it.
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  Speaker 5: Moser, over the last two years, the Broncos are 14-3
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  Speaker 5: in one-score games.
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  Speaker 4: That is, okay, maybe that's who they are. Maybe I
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  Speaker 4: should just throw these stats out the window of what
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  Speaker 4: the NFL average has been over the last 50 years.
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  Speaker 3: You know, this could very well have been a Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl rematch, and many say it should have been. The
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  Speaker 3: Broncos were an injured quarterback away, and the Rams, they
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  Speaker 3: couldn't defend late in that game against Seattle. They couldn't
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  Speaker 3: defend at all. I mean, they had that game. They
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  Speaker 3: had a chance to win that game. So these are
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  Speaker 3: two teams that were on the doorstep of the Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl last year, and it will be that kind of
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  Speaker 3: an environment Sunday night. It's going to be awesome. But
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  Speaker 3: let me ask you, because you guys both sound the
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  Speaker 3: same way. You sound like you believe more in the
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  Speaker 3: Rams than you do the Broncos.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I do.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I'm more afraid of the Rams offense, man.
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  Speaker 4: I'm more afraid.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about afraid. I'm saying you believe in
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  Speaker 3: the Rams more than you do the Broncos.
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  Speaker 5: I think the Rams are the best team in football.
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  Speaker 4: On paper, the Rams are incredibly good. Now, again, they
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  Speaker 4: don't have all their parts. I mean, Myles Garrett being
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  Speaker 4: out is really tough for them. Well, hang on. This
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  Speaker 4: whole Puka Nakua thing.
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  Speaker 5: That's not an insult to the Broncos either.
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  Speaker 3: No, but the reason I ask that line of questioning
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  Speaker 3: is because I know where it's going. I know why.
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  Speaker 3: I know you. I know why you think that way.
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  Speaker 3: It's the quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Well, Vic, do me a favor.
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  Speaker 5: When all things are equal, though.
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  Speaker 3: And there's nothing shameful about that. I'm just telling you.
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  Speaker 3: I know why.
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  Speaker 2: I think on paper, roster wise, these are the two
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  Speaker 2: best rosters in the league from top to bottom. You
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  Speaker 2: could throw maybe the Seahawks in there. That's another one.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's other teams in the mix, the Niners,
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  Speaker 2: teams like that. But I think for my money, these
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  Speaker 2: are the two best holistic rosters in the league. And
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  Speaker 2: so what's the separator? Well, one of them's got an
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  Speaker 2: MVP quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And the Broncos have a quarterback that I think is good,
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  Speaker 2: that I believe in. But certainly, it's just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Stafford's a different animal. He's a different beast.
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  Speaker 3: He's six all time in touchdown passes. Josh Allen lost
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  Speaker 3: here last year.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't think the Bills roster was better than the Broncos, though.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't think that.
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  Speaker 4: And the quarterback turned the ball over repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly. Vic,
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  Speaker 4: I think, just go back and watch the game this
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  Speaker 4: past weekend. And I know the Giants had Dart get
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  Speaker 4: hurt early and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But watch
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  Speaker 4: the throws that Stafford makes and watch how he makes them.
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  Speaker 3: You're talking to somebody that's seen this.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a good reason to have belief in that
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  Speaker 4: football team because it is ancient age. That guy, when
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  Speaker 4: he's healthy, that guy can still throw the pig as
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  Speaker 4: good or better than anybody in the entire league, man.
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  Speaker 3: I saw it. I saw a quarterback last week, Jacksonville quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: who the week before was throwing that ball much like
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  Speaker 3: you just described, came into Denver and couldn't do it anymore.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's totally possible, too.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so, I mean, you guys make it sound like
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  Speaker 3: the Rams, sure, they're loaded. Yeah, they have Stafford. But
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  Speaker 3: you make it sound like they can't lose? No, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 4: the Rams can't lose here. Hell no, I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 4: The Broncos could shut them down, but some things have
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  Speaker 4: to happen, in my opinion. You have got to get
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  Speaker 4: to Stafford, and the Broncos are really, really good at that,
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  Speaker 4: but you better get in his kitchen. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 4: you have to sack him, but you better not let
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  Speaker 4: him be comfortable in that pocket because I know when.
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  Speaker 3: He has time.
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  Speaker 4: I watch him when he has time, and he's diabolically good.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's funny.
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  Speaker 4: One last thing, Britt, is that he's got the ability–
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  Speaker 4: to just hold onto the ball a split second longer
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  Speaker 4: than maybe other quarterbacks do, and he allows his receivers
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  Speaker 4: to get that much separation, and then he can fire
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  Speaker 4: it into the tiniest of windows. That's what makes him
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  Speaker 4: different and special.
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  Speaker 2: But my concern is the opposite of yours, Moj. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not that concerned that they're going to light up the Broncos.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: They'll score because they're a really good offense and they
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  Speaker 2: have a good quarterback and good running game and good
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  Speaker 2: receivers and good.
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  Speaker 3: Everything, right?
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  Speaker 5: They'll score.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not concerned, though, that this game, like you're, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to have to score 40 to win. My sole
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  Speaker 2: concern heading into this is if you don't create offense
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  Speaker 2: early and you have that sputtering start like they have
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  Speaker 2: repeatedly over the last year and a half to two years,
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  Speaker 2: and you're giving, let's say the defense goes out, Rams
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  Speaker 2: take the football first drive, and it's a three and out.
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  Speaker 5: Your defense is really good. They could do that.
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  Speaker 2: But then you go three and out right back. The
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  Speaker 2: extra opportunities that they will get if your offense doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get going early is what concerns me. Putting yourself in
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  Speaker 2: a hole against that team is very concerning. And it's
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  Speaker 2: not about the defense and what they're going to do
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  Speaker 2: against Stafford and the Rams offense.
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  Speaker 5: It's just about, can you get out of the gates quicker?
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  Speaker 2: And it's the, I guess my concern is they spent
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  Speaker 2: an entire off season trying to fix that specific problem.
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  Speaker 2: And through two weeks, it hasn't, it hasn't changed. In
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  Speaker 2: some cases, it's been a little bit worse than it
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  Speaker 2: was before. Now, the Broncos, I think, better last week.
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  Speaker 2: They got in the red zone. They didn't finish a
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  Speaker 2: couple of times.
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  Speaker 3: Better.
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  Speaker 2: Still got to finish. But it's just when you're playing
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  Speaker 2: against that level, things can get away from you.
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  Speaker 5: That's all.
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  Speaker 4: That's my concern.
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  Speaker 3: I will say this. This week, you better score, man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You better score. You better finish drives. Last week, man,
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  Speaker 3: those early drives, they couldn't finish at the doorstep. Interception once.
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  Speaker 3: Three straight runs, couldn't do anything. You've got to finish
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  Speaker 3: those drives this week. Can't afford to leave points off
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  Speaker 3: the board. It might take 28, maybe 30, to beat
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  Speaker 3: this team. And you know what?
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Offense.
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  Speaker 4: Do it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Do it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, in our true-false, when you asked if the Broncos'
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  Speaker 4: offense has turned a corner, and Vic and I both
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  Speaker 4: said true, it's because the waddle effect has a big
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  Speaker 4: effect on me. The waddle effect.
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  Speaker 4: Is it's huge to get him involved that much and
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  Speaker 4: to be that effective last weekend. That's, Brett, that sort
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  Speaker 4: of opens up. It's not, if you're called the Wizard
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  Speaker 4: of Oz, remember when Dorothy opens the door, it's black
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  Speaker 4: and white, she opens the door and it's all color.
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  Speaker 6: Remember that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's not quite that, but it opens things up.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's really going to help. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: know who's going to be carrying the rock on Sunday night,
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  Speaker 4: but- But having Waddle get that involved that early and
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  Speaker 4: have Bo find himself a little bit, I think, is
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  Speaker 4: a huge benefit. And you're right, Vic. So if that's
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  Speaker 4: the case, carry that over from that second half against
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguars. Carry that over against the Rams and let's
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  Speaker 4: get going early. Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't mind, I want to talk really quickly
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  Speaker 3: again about this video that got leaked, Mike McDonald with
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  Speaker 3: Graham Bensinger talking about Sean Payton taking video from social media, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 3: You've heard the story by now, right? In case you
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  Speaker 3: missed it, there's a– it's not a scandal, but a
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  Speaker 3: little back and forth Mike McDonald. I can play it.
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  Speaker 3: He said to Graham Bensinger. If you haven't heard it,
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  Speaker 3: let's play it real quick because I want to say
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  Speaker 3: something about this.
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  Speaker 7: So the first year– so we play them our first game.
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  Speaker 7: You know, fans will like tape or like post plays
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  Speaker 7: from training camp on Twitter. And so it's like public– Right.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 7: So we took like a hundred plays from their training camp.
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  Speaker 3: Good for you.
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  Speaker 7: We're like scouting them, you know, and like, anyways, he
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  Speaker 7: got wind of it and he like lost him. It's
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  Speaker 7: like middle of the season and like, and we're, and
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  Speaker 7: we won the game. So like, and we're, and we
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  Speaker 7: were in the fight.
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  Speaker 5: Like our first year.
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  Speaker 7: And so he called Johnny basically like threatened to come
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  Speaker 7: out publicly and do it like a whole Patriot, like
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  Speaker 7: Spygate type of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm sitting there like, Oh my God.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, we didn't cheat.
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  Speaker 7: Like the, like the, We thought it was a Michigan
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  Speaker 7: thing where we had a plant and the whole thing.
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  Speaker 7: So we had to counter with him to say, hey, look,
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  Speaker 7: if you come out of this, we're going to sue
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  Speaker 7: you because it's not true.
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  Speaker 3: All right, stop right there. We're going to sue you?
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  Speaker 4: Come on, man. I'm not going to talk anymore about
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  Speaker 4: what he.
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  Speaker 3: Said and what they said. The only topic I want
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  Speaker 3: to hit is this. Clearly, I've done these interviews all
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  Speaker 3: my life. I've done 30 years of this stuff, sitting
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  Speaker 3: down with people. And there are topics you talk about. Hell,
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  Speaker 3: yesterday when I did that thing with the T-Bullet producers,
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  Speaker 3: there were things we were talking about, me mic'd up,
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  Speaker 3: that I knew would not be on the air. Like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is off the record. We were talking about things
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  Speaker 3: that you know are not going to make the air.
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  Speaker 2: And just as a reporter, you don't need to constantly
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  Speaker 2: hear this is off the record before somebody says something.
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  Speaker 3: You just assume certain things.
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  Speaker 5: You understand it.
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  Speaker 3: So take this note. During that back and forth, Mark Mosier,
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  Speaker 3: was Graham Vinsinger mic'd up during that back and forth?
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  Speaker 3: Did he have a mic on?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, he did.
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  Speaker 3: No, he didn't.
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  Speaker 4: No, he didn't.
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  Speaker 3: His mic came off.
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  Speaker 4: I could hear him, couldn't I?
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  Speaker 3: Listen to how hollow his mic was. Let me hear
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  Speaker 3: it again. Listen to it again. Listen to his exchange.
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  Speaker 7: So, our first year, and so we played in our
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  Speaker 7: first game. You know, fans will, like, tape.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a little echo-y.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's not mic'd.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: He's not mic'd. That's clue number one.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but when I think a guy's not mic'd, it's like,
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  Speaker 4: then he's... They must be really close to each other
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  Speaker 4: because that was pretty loud.
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  Speaker 3: No, lapel mic was not on. That was, as somebody mentioned,
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  Speaker 3: the boom mic. Number two, there was no back and
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  Speaker 3: forth camera. It was just one static camera, which tells
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  Speaker 3: me that was not part of the interview. Number three,
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  Speaker 3: the way Graham, and I've seen a lot of his
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  Speaker 3: interviews before, he was just sort of, uh-huh, uh-huh. He
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  Speaker 3: wasn't going into his interview style. That entire sequence was
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  Speaker 3: just sort of an off the record. How did that
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  Speaker 3: get out? Who gave the okay to put that out there?
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  Speaker 2: Look, man, he's been in this reporting game long enough.
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  Speaker 2: He's not going to let that go without an approval
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  Speaker 2: by Mike McDonald.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I'm asking these questions. I'm asking these questions
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  Speaker 3: because he knows that it's going to cost him dearly
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  Speaker 3: down the road. If people find out that that was leaked,
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  Speaker 3: who do you think is going to do a future
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  Speaker 3: interview with Graham?
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  Speaker 4: It's nobody.
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  Speaker 3: It's nobody. Yeah. This could cost him his future. It's over, pal.
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  Speaker 3: Was this some rogue, I don't know, photographer who was
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  Speaker 3: on the staff?
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  Speaker 4: Right. I've done a boatload of interviews over the years, too.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, not as many as you, and I'm not
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  Speaker 4: as good as you at it, but I've done a
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  Speaker 4: billion of them. How many times are you sitting down
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  Speaker 4: with a guy or whatever, and the camera's rolling, but
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  Speaker 4: the interview hasn't started yet, and you'll go, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: blank that guy. The stuff that you know is not
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  Speaker 4: going to be part of the actual what you put
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  Speaker 4: out to the public.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm saying, that's on Bensinger and his production staff.
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  Speaker 3: If that got out without anyone's knowledge, someone's in trouble.
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  Speaker 4: Someone should get fired.
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  Speaker 2: Let me play a piece of audio for you from yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Let me know what you think here.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Kicking myself.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like not so much Charlie Brown getting the
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: football ripped away from him again and again, but when
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  Speaker 2: I have questions about something and I allow myself to
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  Speaker 2: believe in a small sample size, I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: to do when it comes back around, and that's how
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  Speaker 2: I feel with CU.
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  Speaker 3: It's like.
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  Speaker 5: There's.
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  Speaker 2: Expectations for CU this year. They need to be better
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  Speaker 2: than what they've been in the past. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the line is for what you consider ultimate success
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: or what is the amount of failure you would need
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: to consider moving on from Dion or something like that.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: But in year four, there has to be expectations. They
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: played a good first couple of weeks. And look, you
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: play against an FCS opponent, a team that you're paying
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: to come in and get their butt kicked.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: You should do what they did in week two. But
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: the week one win.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Against Georgia Tech was like, there were flaws in that game,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: but Mose to win that game on the road, that's
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: a big win.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: It's a good win.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Big win.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, big win.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: To have what happened against Northwestern happen the way it
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: happened now muddies the waters for everything. Here's what Deion
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: said yesterday about Juju Lewis and his readiness.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: So you guys take everything for granted. Like some things
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: I really tell you the truth and you don't believe me.
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: Have I lied to you one time? Have I told
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: you the truth?
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: The whole way.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: And I sat there a while ago. I said, he'll
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: be coming around the mound when he comes, right? So
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: what does that mean? He's not there yet, okay? So
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: we can't expect that from a person who that's not.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: Who he is.
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: He's a football player. I expect leadership from that guy,
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: from that other guy that just walked out of here,
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: from several other guys, that whole linebacker corps, for a
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: couple of safeties. Like, I don't expect that from certain positions, right?
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: because that's not the makeup of who they are. My
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: job as a coach is I've got to find the
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: best that you can be in you and highlight that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: So that's him talking about Juju. Now here's my question.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Juju was a prized recruit, one of the top recruits
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: in the country.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: I understand he's still very young.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: But if you look at Michigan right now and the
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: way that people are talking about Bryce Underwood, who was
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: also a prized recruit, Well.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: He was the top recruit in the country.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Who's also very young.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I understand expectations are different, but should we be expecting
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: more out of Juju?
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Should we expect him not to turn the ball over
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: like that?
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Expectations, and I think he's talking about leadership. He is
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: talking about leadership. He's not talking about play. He's just
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: saying that kid's not ready yet to be that kind
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: of leader is what he's saying.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: But as a quarterback, doesn't your production on the field
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: kind of translate into leadership in one way or another?
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: Isn't that kind of how it goes?
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I just think you need to have that position
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: be a leader. Otherwise, you're in trouble.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Right. I would agree with that.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: But, Vic, you can only be a leader if you
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: play good football at that position, which is part of
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: the reason why Atlanta does not have a quarterback that's
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a captain on that team.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Well, Brett, how about this? How about not specifically out
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: of juju? But you need to have a quarterback who
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: leads that team. So whether it's him or somebody else,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think out of the position, I think
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Vic is right. I just feel like that guy has
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: to be a guy that has some command, even if
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: he is a young guy, because that position is so important.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Not only in the NFL, but in college football as well,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: big-time college football. It's very important. You can't be meek
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: and you can't be a house mouse. But is there–
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that Juju is that. I'm just
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: saying that I don't think there's any problem expecting that
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: guy to have some vocality.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: But how do you balance– forget the leadership part for
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: a second, from just production. How do you balance Juju
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: being the prize recruit that needs to be able to
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: play well if you want to win football games, and
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: at the same time, he is still 18 years old?
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: What's the balance between that?
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: That's a tough balance. You know, wasn't that quarterback at
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Michigan last year that same age?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I brought up Underwood. Like, it's the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: same thing. Underwood is also very, very young. But, Vic,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you ask any Michigan fan, and again, expectations different between
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Michigan and CU. Ask any Michigan fan how they feel
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: about Bryce Underwood. Ask Kyle Winningham. What did he say
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: after the first game of the year? He's our quarterback
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: for now.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe, you know, like, different quarterbacks take different approaches.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Arch Manning, hell, he had to sit and wait for
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: a couple years, right?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: He had to wait? Mm-hmm.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Now, they had the benefit of a good football team
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: with a quarterback that was NFL caliber in front of
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: him and all that different stuff. It's just I don't
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: know how to handle the expectation part of him specifically. Now,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I think we can all agree, as a team... That
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: performance was unacceptable last week. That cannot happen. You didn't
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: play Ohio State last week, okay? You didn't play a
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: top 10 team in the country. That's Northwestern. That is
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a team that Ohio State looks at as essentially a
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: bye week during their Big Ten conference schedule. And that's
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the stuff that just, I was hoping we were over
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: that stuff.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: If you were getting blown out by one of the
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: mediocre teams in that conference, yes, that's a problem. You're
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: getting blown out. You're getting blown out. You're not playing
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: in the game. You're blown out of the game. That's
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: a problem. Who would be a Northwestern? Is Georgia Tech
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: the same as Northwestern, I guess, in the ACC? I
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: It's different because the ACC is not like Big Ten caliber.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: What's like Nebraska in the Big Ten? Is that like
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Northwestern now?
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: A little above that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Well, are they really?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Are they?
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: The record wouldn't say. Are they like Purdue? Yeah, maybe
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: they're Purdue.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: Purdue.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Here's the other question I have regarding Dion.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Remember when Dion first got here and there was always
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: this fear that Dion would use this as a stepping
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: stone for another job. And whether it was true or not,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: he always said repeatedly, I'm not going anywhere.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I love it here. And I always said, take him
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: at his word, right? But everybody just.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Kind of figured, I mean, dude, we turn on ESPN Moj,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and it's always Feinbaum talking about if this job comes open,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: maybe Prime is a so-and-so.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: For this job.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: The interesting part is Florida State is very much wanting
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to fire their head coach. And I don't know if
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: they have the dollars to do it. But if the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Florida State job came open, how do you think.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: They view Deion?
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Is he somebody who would be coveted?
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Brett, here's what I do know. I don't know how
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: they view him, but I think that Coach Prime could
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: sell himself to anybody. Like if it came open and
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: he wanted that job, there's no doubt in my mind
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: he could sell himself. Not only that, but probably sell the, look,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: we don't have the kind of money at Colorado. We can't,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: like we have here at Florida State. You give me
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: that opportunity with that kind of money and I'll do
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: this and that and so on and so forth. I
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: bet he could sell himself to the Seminoles if he
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: wanted to.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I'll say this. In my years, and I'm thinking back
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: at all of the greats, I think of three men.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: And I say Prime is the best among three of them.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: He is the best public speaker as a head coach
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I've ever heard.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I've ever heard. I've engaged in some things with him
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: on public speaking just behind the scenes. It's unbelievable how
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: he can rail a crowd.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Who else is up there?
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: There's two others I can think of in terms of
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: public speaking. Lou Holtz and Bill McCartney.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Those guys were both guys who, yeah, they could hold
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: a crowd big time.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: They really could.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: He's one of those guys, when he speaks, everybody stops.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: And you just listen to him, right?
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Because he has that command of the room.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: But I wondered, is he still a guy that's like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: if a big job came open, would they look at
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Deion and be like, maybe we should go grab him?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how much you value the monetary
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: stuff that he brings in, you know, but it is interesting.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: It would have to be the right fit, though. Like
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: if Wisconsin, let's say Wisconsin calls. I don't think Wisconsin
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: would call. You know what I mean? It would have
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: to be. His former school where he played college football
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: would have to be a school that needs that kind
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: of juice or whatever he brings at that particular time.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Well, he's not doing himself any favors right now.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: But he's not doing himself any favors by losing. Yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: you've got to win some damn games. You've got to
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: win some football games.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many programs can look at last week's.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: You can't get ripped at Northwestern.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: You can't do it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: You can't look at that game and say, oh, yeah,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I want some of that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what's funny to me.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: If this was anybody else, if we take just the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: resume of what Dion's done here and put that with
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: anybody else's name, that wouldn't be somebody you would consider
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: hiring for another job at a bigger program, right?
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Nobody would do that if it was me.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? It's the ultimate double-edged sword.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: He helped revive your program, but at the same time,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: it didn't really, I mean, it revived, but it didn't.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Did you say sward?
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: It's a sward. Yeah, this is a sward.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: You said sward. That's a dagger.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: That's a dagger.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Listen, all right, that's a dagger. Let me tell you
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: something about the English language. If you're going to throw
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: an S and a W and then an O, I'm
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: going to give it the W. It's a sward. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: that's not my problem that the English language added that W.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: If you want to spell it S-O-R-D and you want sword,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I'll give it to you. But you throw that random
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: W in there, by God, I'm going to pronounce it. Swerd.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Hey. Swerd up.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you. How is the word S-W-E-R-V-E pronounced? S-W-E-R-V-E.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Swerve.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Swerve. It's swerve, right? It's not serve. It's swerve. This
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: is swerved.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Hey, can I ask you guys something else? Monday Night Football,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: did you check out who was in the suite? It
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: was like the big-time celebrity suite.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: It was Gretzky, it was McAfee.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was crazy.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Russell Westbrook's there.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Russell Westbrook was in there, yes.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I would love to have heard that conversation between Russell
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Westbrook and DeMar DeRozan.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I was just going to ask you, if DeMar DeRozan,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: recently signed Denver Nugget, is in the booth, or in
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the suite, I should say, with... Russell Westbrook. And he goes, Russ,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: tell me about Denver. Is Russell Westbrook saying good things
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: or bad things, you think?
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: He's probably telling him, okay, here's what you can expect.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Here's what I got. Here's what I can tell you
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: about this player. Here's why it didn't work out for me.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you that if Russell Westbrook had his druthers,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: he would have wanted to stay in Denver. But for
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, he was showing the door.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: He was shown the door. Let's not be naive about this.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Well, he said as much. They said you had a
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: player option. Why don't you come back to Denver? He goes,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: they didn't want me. I'm not going to go somewhere
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I'm not wanted. And I actually think that's.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Another reason why I love Russell Westbrook. He's like, I'm
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: not going to force your hand at moving me when
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you don't want me here.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: I'll go somewhere that I'm wanted.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: So why do you think that that was the case?
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Why do you think he wasn't invited back?
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: I think he could have helped last year.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there were some inner workings within
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the locker room where.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Russell Westbrook can wear on people. That's obvious.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: He can. So why do you think he was not
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: invited back?
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: I think it's mostly that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's exactly that. I think it comes from inside.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: You think he just wore on people? Yeah. You think
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: the big fella had something to do with it? I
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But, I mean, I think the assumption is, oh, well,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: his stats were fine. I mean, did he take bad shots?
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Did he win a lot of games for you?
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Hey, let me ask you guys something.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Would he have done something about Jaden McDaniels? Yes.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, he would have.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, he would have. If he is not retired, I
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: would have taken him back on this team, to be
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: honest with you. I would have.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: For that reason alone, I thought it was a big
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: void last year. Yeah. He came with a lot of hurdles.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of warts there.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: It was weird, Vic, where you're in the middle of
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: a playoff run and Ramona Shelburne drops a story about
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: him and AG not getting along or something like that.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is just weird timing for that to
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: be in the middle of it. So it's not like
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that's nothing, but I think that would have to be it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: But all the people in that... Let's get over this, though.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: All the people in that box.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: That was a crazy collection of peeps, was it not?
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Crazy.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I had somebody tell me, you know, we go back
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: to last year and media day is next Monday. Media
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: day is next Monday. And I'm not big into dwelling
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: because it's not a question you could ask. Like, if
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I asked that question, what do you think the response
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: would be? If I went to the press conference and said, hey.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: About what?
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: In hindsight, do you wish you would have handled the
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Minnesota series differently after what McDaniel said. What do you
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: think the answer will be from most of the players?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: It should be, yeah. We probably should have put him
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: on his backside.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they'll say it out loud, though.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Exactly. It's not going to be a public consumption answer, right?
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: But I guarantee... I.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Think if you're a Graham Bensinger, Vic, you could find
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: something that they'd say.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I guarantee, and if I believe in the future of humanity...
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I guarantee inside they're wrestling over that, how they could
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: have done that differently.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Well, they should be. I mean, if they have pride
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: and if they want to win, they should be wrestling
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: over that because that guy should have been on his
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: butt at least once.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: It's always amazed me.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Whenever there has to be some sort of, what do
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: you want to call it, statement or something like that
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: in situations like this, It's always Joker who does it,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: and that bothers me. Because when people go after Joker,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: when Lou Dort, remember when he stuck his butt.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Out and hit his bad knee when he returned from
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: the knee injury?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: His face? I'm always bothered by that stuff. I'm like,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: why is that?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Why is it always up to him to get in
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: somebody's face and do something? He did it in the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Minnesota series.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: If it's not in your team's DNA, it's not in
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: your DNA.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: But how is that not in your DNA? To defend
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: your teammate and your star teammate at that. How is
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: that not there?
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: You can ask how and why all you want, but
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: if it were in the DNA, somebody would have done it, correct?
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: Correct?
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: And maybe it was the guy that was on the bench.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Maybe it was A.G. Maybe he's the guy, because we've
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: seen him do that before.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I think A.G. would have done something.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I do, too.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: And I'm disappointed that nobody else did.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I think we all are, Vic. I think we all are. Again,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: it was like when Austin Matthews got clocked in Toronto.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: And nobody did anything on that team. You knew it
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: was over. Yeah, you knew it was over. And he
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: didn't necessarily do something to somebody on the Denver Nuggets,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: but he punked them pretty hard. And I don't know.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Hopefully that is switched. That is fixed.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: That is not what it used to be.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Paul Millsap will live forever in Nuggets fans' heads for
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: that one thing.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Of course he will.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: In the bubble when he got in the face of
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: the Morris brother.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: And he was the laid-back dude.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: And Paul was considered sort of almost pacifist.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Like, easy.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: But he blew a fuse there, and it was awesome.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: And after that, he made the comeback. That's why it
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: was so effective. That's why it was so effective is
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: because he's not the guy you would expect to do that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: And when the other players are going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: look at Millsap. Oh, whoa. I mean, everybody got jammed
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: up by that. Everybody was excited. And that was the
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: big comeback.
• 31:18
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• 31:21
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  Speaker 5: So that is, man, that's crazy. It's a week away.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: A week.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: When does the season usually start, Moj? That's not an
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: 84-game season.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: When is that?
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Typically like October.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Well, they start... It used to be, Brett, like around
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: the 7th, 8th, 9th, something like that, right around there.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: But now it started earlier because of the Four Nations
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: and then the Olympics, so it started like the 3rd,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: and now we're going to September 30th.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, but that is a week away. Mosher will
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: be back on the call for your abs soon.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Well, the first game of the season is national TV,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: but we'll be back on October 3rd. 303-504-0925.
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• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Fact checker next.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: You know, just dawned on me, Brett, that sweater, that
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: sweatshirt that Nelly's wearing.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: That's the same one that Nikola Jokic was pictured in
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: when he was like, what, eight years old?
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, something like that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the exact same one. In fact, that might
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: be his eight-year-old Nikola's sweatshirt.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: That fits Nelly?
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: And I want to thank Mosher for my fit here.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: He gave me this Cobra Kai shirt.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: That's an all-time classic. You're welcome. It's an all-time classic.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: All-Valley Karate Championship, Cobra Kai.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: If you don't respect the All-Valley Karate Championship, you just don't.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: You don't know Jack. You're so dumb. You have no
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: sense of history whatsoever.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: You didn't even watch Cobra Kai when it came back
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: out on Netflix. How stupid are you?
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: I hate Karate Kid.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: You don't like Johnny Lawrence?
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Seriously.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Let me tell you something. If you have
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: a problem with Johnny Lawrence, you have a problem with
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: me and Moj.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, listen, Johnny Lawrence was a mixed-up kid, man. He
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: got some bad advice.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: He had a tough life.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: He had a tough life. Doesn't mean he was a
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: bad dude. Yeah, he was not. It just means he
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: was a complicated individual, Brett, and I can appreciate guys
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: like that. Now, he went to the bad side a
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: little bit, but he also had some good in him. Yeah,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: he did, big time.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: All right, Grandpa, let's get you to bed.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: If it was the other way around and Daniel LaRusso
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: was under that dude's tutelage and you had Johnny Lawrence
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: under Miyagi, I think that would be all world.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Johnny Lawrence was more talented. He was more athletic.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Way.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: There's not a human on the planet that thinks that
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Daniel LaRusso could beat up Johnny Lawrence in a regular fight.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Not a person on the planet. In fact, Cobra Kai
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: is the only show that made me completely do a
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: 180 on a person. I always thought Johnny Lawrence was
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: the evil villain. And then I watched Cobra Kai. He's
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the guy you're rooting for all along.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: I don't care about any of this.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: But it's because you're dumb.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: That's why.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: It's because you're an idiot. You have absolutely no concept
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: of depth. Zero. If I were married to you, I'd
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: leave you now.
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: 100%.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I'm tired of this, Grandpa. That's too damn bad!
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: If I told my wife, what do you know about
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: the Karate Kid?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: She would think I'm talking about, like, some little kid's
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: tournament down the street or something like that.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: She would have no idea.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not my fault that you people from Nebraska
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: never get to a theater.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Jesus.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's... I mean, ask her about the grain elevator.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe she can answer. I mean, I don't know what
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: to tell you.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Brett, it's seven years of hard work we've put in
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: with you. Seven years. And for you to still be
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: this obtuse, it really is a depressing day for us.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: There are some movies, I swear to God, that I just,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: no matter how many times people say you have to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: watch this movie, I'm never going to watch it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: And one of them is Avatar. Never seen it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not into that cartoon either. Never gonna seen it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: I've never seen it either.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: I saw blue people flying and I go, this is
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: not my movie.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I ain't watch your cartoons.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: This is not my movie at all. Sorry. Not happening.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Were you the one, did you end up watching Breaking Away,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: even though we recommended it highly?
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Vic, never gonna watch that movie.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: See?
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's an example of a hard-headed cretin. That's
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: what you are.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: I'll accept that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: You know, the disrespect came to Marty watched it. And
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: you know what he said?
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: That's okay.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: And I just, I just about had a frigging heart attack.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: I swear to God. That's why I wanted to punch
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: his face so bad. I wanted to punch his name.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I wanted to, I wanted to box both of his
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: gigantic ears. Take two fists to one ear.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: The irony is the same week that Marty quote left
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: the show.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: So be careful.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: I will say that karate kid is a better movie
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: than Rocky.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Jesus God almighty.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Lance.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Lance said, just say that and then walk away.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's perfect.
• 36:43
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• 36:45
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  Speaker 2: So, a few things here. I don't know if Vic
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: and Moe's are done for the day, but I'm still here.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I do have, and we'll get into more detail on
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: this as we go along with this matchup against the Rams.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: It's huge.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: It is, to me, a litmus test game of where
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: you're at, I'll say, as an offense. I just heard
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: a promo, and I'd love to talk more about this tomorrow,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: from Columbus, where he said, Bo Nix, for all of
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: his late-game heroics, has failed to do one thing, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: that is win a football game without his defense playing stellar.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: And I think, for the most part, That is accurate.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: You can point to some outlier games, but I'll go
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: back and look at it again and have this ready
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: for tomorrow.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: But I remember I talked about this a lot last year.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: The Broncos under Bo Nix, when your opponent scores 20 points,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: it's a bad record. It's really bad. When they score
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: less than 20 points, Broncos are elite. But if you
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: don't get a good defensive performance Can your offense make
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: up for it? And for the most part, Moj, that
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: answer is no. And when you're playing against a team
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: like the Rams, you're probably going to need the offense
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: to step up.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Correct. And I was thinking about this when you were
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: raising those questions. I'm thinking, I wonder if the Rams
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: feel the same way about coming to Denver and playing
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: the Broncos because their offense, as we know, even without
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Puka Nakua, is high-powered, high-falutin, is it not? They can
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: run the football, and we know they can pass the football.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: But are they coming here, Vic, and saying, this is
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: a measuring stick game for us against one of the
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: very elite defenses in the league?
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it, Mojo. Are they
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: as fearful of the Broncos as the Broncos seem to
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: be of the Rams? And when I say the Broncos,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I mean the fans and people in general, like Brett.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Brett is holding the Rams to the standard of, I mean,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: last I checked, the Rams had the same record as
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: the Broncos.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: And last I checked, this game was in Denver.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: Let me just say something.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: And last I checked, the Denver at home is pretty
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: damn good. And last I checked, the Denver Broncos had
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: the longest win streak against NFC opponents of any team
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. Last I checked.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Can I just say something for clarity's sake? The Broncos
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: can very easily win this football game. They can. I
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: just think the Rams are the best team in football.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: That's it. And that doesn't mean that the Broncos are bad.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: It means that this is one of the few teams
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that I hold in higher regard than Denver.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, so if they do, does that make the Broncos
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: one of the best teams in football? Do you think
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: that they are right this second?
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think the Broncos are one of the best.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, so that will solidify in your brain. I would
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: also argue to you that they'd better win this game.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Because the following week going to San Francisco, that ain't
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: going to be no picnic, bro. As much as you
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: malign Brock Purdy and whatnot... That's a pretty good team.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: The 49ers are going to be 3-0. They're home against
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: the Arizona Cardinals this weekend, and they are probably going
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: to waste them. And when they do, they're going to
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: be sitting there with their feet up waiting for the
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Broncos to get to Santa Clara.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: So let me ask you this.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: That's going to be tough because you're staring down 1-3, Vic,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: if you don't win this weekend.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you, Brett, tougher game, at home against
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: the Rams or on the road at San Francisco?
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: Pretty close. I would probably say the road game against
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: San Fran.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: And that's where we continue to talk about these games
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: and forget that the advantage of home field here especially
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: is a big one.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: I think the defense, Coach Sanford and I were discussing
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: this in the press box the other night. Defensively, they're
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: just able, they look more aggressive at home. That's true.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: They feed off the crowd at home. Yes.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: The Broncos defensively are just better.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: Once they get past the booze and they get on
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a roll.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: That's for the offense.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: But that's, again, that's my sole concern. My sole concern
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: is just that. And I'll tell you this much. When
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: you ask the question of, like, do you think the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Rams look at this the same way that maybe.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about from the Broncos' perspective? I don't think
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: that they do.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I think they have so much confidence. And it's a
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: lot easier. Lakewell talks about this all the time.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: And he calls these people not morons, but he calls
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: them a different word that's a lot more.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Acceptable than that. No, not that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: It's that people who watch football, including me, who's just
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: a neophyte barbarian, it's easier for us to believe in
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: an offense than it is a defense. despite the fact
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: that defenses are the things that consistently.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: Over time are what matter more. But it's just true.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Everybody looks at matchups by who's the quarterbacks. Okay, well,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: this one's better. That team's probably going to win. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying in this game is I think these
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: rosters are two of the best rosters in football, top
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: to bottom. And so my tiebreaker here is one team
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: has Matthew Stafford.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: In the case of Bo Nix, if Bo was playing
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: a consistent game from start to finish, then I think
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that the Broncos win this game. My concern is that
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: it's going to take that quarter and a half to
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: two quarters for their offense to get rolling, and that
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: might put you too far in a hole.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about something. What is it, what formula
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: do the Niners use to beat the Rams? Because they've been, man,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: that's one team. They find a way, and look at
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: what they did to Stafford in week one. And it
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: dawned on me. the way they attack the Rams offense,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: that linebacking core for San Francisco is elite.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, full burner?
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's elite.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: And for whatever reason, they just know how to deal
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: with Stafford and that assemblage of talent there.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: You know what's funny, Vic?
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I think if you ask a Rams fan, any matchup
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, do they think they're going to win
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: the game? I think they give you a yes to
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: 30 teams, and the Niners are the only one they're like,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: It's just one of those matchups, man.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: It's one of those deals. Shanahan seems to have the...
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Seems to have the.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: The number.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: The number there. Yeah, he really does.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: I heard that. I heard it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: What was that sound?
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: We heard it. We heard it. It was there. Nelly? Nelly?
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Nelly?
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Nelly Mosier's bellies. It's Men in Black Part 3. Nelly?
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Play that back. I think it said a word. I
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: think it spoke to us.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, Nelly.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: The one he just did.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: The one that just happened.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: He's looking for it. He's looking for it. I didn't
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: know what to do. I was like, wait, who is that?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I need to hear this.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: We're up against it now.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Mosher, I don't mean, listen, I don't mean to make
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: you the subject of humiliation. But that was the loudest
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: stomach sound I've heard. It was actually right here in
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: my throat somewhere. It was right here.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: I took a sip of my coffee and got a
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: little air in there, I guess.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Nelly, it looks like he's got it now.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: He looks focused. Yeah, yeah, you just heard it. Nelly,
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: play it for us.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Shanahan seems to have the... That's a.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: That's a throat fart.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: It's so bad.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, anyway, I think we got it. But Nelly fact checker, please.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Nelly monitors the mistakes in today's Fact Checker.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Fact Checker.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Presented by Backus & Shanker.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Serious lawyers for the seriously injured.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had something planned, but it's irrelevant now because
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: of that sound we just got from Moj.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Shanahan seems to have the, uh, seems to have the
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: number there. That wasn't it, was it? That wasn't it. No,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: that was it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: That was it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: He just boosted it a little bit.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Turned it, I mean... Moshe, I want you to go
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: to the doctor. Immediately. Go to the doctor.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: I just did.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I just did last week.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I'm in good shape.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Take that demon out. You got a demon in you.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Seems to have a demon.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: You have a demon. The number.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: That gurgle.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Hang on a second.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: It's a dragon.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: If you were in a horror movie and there's a
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: monster chasing you, this is the last thing you hear.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I feel.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: Like that's what it sounds like.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: That dude from Men in Black, if he just opened,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: unhinged his jaw.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: And ate you, you just.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Big thanks to Seth Wickersham who joined us earlier in
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: the show.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Check out the podcast, iTunes, Spotify, Mojo Lombardi, and Kane.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Have a wonderful Wednesday. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: I love you. See you. Shanahan seems to have the
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: number there.