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Joe Rogan Experience _2284 - Ian Carroll(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night, all day.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome. Dude, very nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good to be here, man.
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  Speaker 2: So, let's take, first of all, why do we love
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  Speaker 2: conspiracies so much? Because I fucking love them.
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  Speaker 3: Dude.
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  Speaker 1: I love them, I love.
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  Speaker 2: Finding out the dirty little tactics and secrets and how
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  Speaker 2: the government does things and what the fuck's really going on.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it so exciting? I think it's something like
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  Speaker 1: deep down in humanity. It's like we love storytelling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And these days, conspiracy theories are like, I mean, 10
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  Speaker 1: years ago, conspiracy theories were fringe and they were problematic.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about it.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I was a conspiracy theorist way back in the day
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  Speaker 2: when you were a fucking nut.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, you were a conspiracy theorist when I was not
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  Speaker 1: even here yet.
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  Speaker 2: I was arguing with people about the moon landing on
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  Speaker 2: the radio before there was any podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's some of the mystery element, but
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  Speaker 1: the thing is that so many of them are, it's
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  Speaker 1: a knowledge. It's a thirst for knowledge because some of
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  Speaker 1: them are total bullshit. But some of them are clearly
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  Speaker 1: there's something there. Clearly.
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  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And realistically, if you had like the Journalists of Integrity
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  Speaker 1: from 1960s era alive today and they hadn't been bought
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  Speaker 1: out and shot in the head and whatever else happened.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I think even in the 60s they were compromised.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they were getting bought out.
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  Speaker 2: The big one is Woodward with the Watergate story.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see Bill Murray when I had Bill Murray
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  Speaker 2: in here?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't watched it yet.
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  Speaker 2: No. Bob Woodward wrote Wired, which is about John Belushi.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Murray read five pages of it, and he said,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit, they framed Nixon. He said the Bob Woodward
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  Speaker 2: story about Belushi was so full of shit. It was
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  Speaker 2: so exaggerated and fake and just filled with nonsense. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: John Belushi was a lightweight. He goes, John Belushi would
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  Speaker 2: drink three beers and he'd be drunk. He was probably
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  Speaker 2: the first speedball he ever took, and he died from it.
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  Speaker 2: This whole thing about him being this raving, drug-fueled maniac
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  Speaker 2: was totally fabricated.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good example of how the mainstream narrative had
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  Speaker 1: Nixon as a crook, and he's just one of many examples, right?
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  Speaker 1: And when you really start to look into it, you realize,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, probably not the greatest guy, but what was
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  Speaker 1: the real story there? What were they framing? Why were
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  Speaker 1: they trying to get him out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this is not a defense of Nixon. Nixon
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  Speaker 2: was not a great guy. But Tucker thinks that Nixon
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  Speaker 2: knew too much about the JFK assassination and wanted to
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  Speaker 2: talk about it. And he started saying, I know who
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  Speaker 2: killed JFK. And he started yapping, and they were like,
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  Speaker 2: let's get this motherfucker out of here. And also, one
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  Speaker 2: of the terms that he had agreed to, to run
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  Speaker 2: for president, was Gerald Ford, who was on the fucking
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  Speaker 2: Warren Commission. Gerald Ford as his VP. So Gerald Ford
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  Speaker 2: becomes the first ever non-elected president. He slips in. He
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  Speaker 2: becomes president for kind of a bullshit term.
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  Speaker 1: He does a whole bunch of war party things and
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  Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: And we decide that Nixon was the real problem with
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  Speaker 2: the country.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how often is it that they're allowing someone
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  Speaker 1: that they aren't sure about to get to president? And
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  Speaker 1: they're sticking them with a VP that is their guy, right? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Dick Cheney. LBJ with JFK.
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  Speaker 2: Dick Cheney.
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  Speaker 1: Dick Cheney.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Pence.
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  Speaker 2: It was the hidden secret that, well, Pence is a,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell to think about Mike Pence.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I think he was good to get the fucking, the
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  Speaker 2: religious people.
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  Speaker 1: Super rhino, super like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Weird guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I mean, Trump is a weird guy too. Like,
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  Speaker 1: who knows what's going on with Trump right now?
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  Speaker 2: He's an animal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's the most fun guy.
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  Speaker 1: I love Trump conspiracy theories because people get so riled
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  Speaker 1: up and it's so partisan and political but within it
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  Speaker 1: there's all this like juicy like meat for For thinking
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  Speaker 1: about it's like not even conspiracy theories It's just like
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  Speaker 1: his history right and especially at the Epstein stuff now
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  Speaker 1: and his history with Epstein It just gets me so
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  Speaker 1: interested in you. You'll never know the real story, but
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  Speaker 1: here's the.
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  Speaker 2: Thing about theories and stuff There's so many things that
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  Speaker 2: are so weird that that you would think, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: this can't be real, this is fake. And then it's
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  Speaker 2: connected to real life events in some sort of a
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  Speaker 2: way that you would think there's a conspiracy. Like here's
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorites is Little Baron Trump's. Yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I just got the book. It just came in the mail.
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  Speaker 4: Insane.
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  Speaker 1: Have you read it?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I'm going to read it.
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  Speaker 2: I just got it.
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  Speaker 1: I should buy it.
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  Speaker 2: I should buy the book before it gets bought out.
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  Speaker 1: I got it in a three-part series that has the
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  Speaker 1: Baron Trump one and then the last president and there's
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  Speaker 1: one other one.
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  Speaker 2: And then how about the Wernher von Braun one about
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  Speaker 2: a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars? Wernher
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  Speaker 2: von Braun, the fucking Nazi who ran– you know, Operation
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  Speaker 2: Paperclip and became the head of NASA.
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  Speaker 1: Super occultist kind of stuff in there.
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  Speaker 2: He writes a novel about a guy named Elon that
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  Speaker 2: takes us to Mars. And even Elon saw that and
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  Speaker 2: he's like, is this real? Like, you would think.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way. I mean, it's simultaneous to us kind
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  Speaker 1: of getting, like, some version of UAP disclosure that implies
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  Speaker 1: time travel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Which is like, Lord knows what that is.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just so fun to speculate because it's like,
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  Speaker 1: How would we know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how would we know? And the whole UAP thing, boy,
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  Speaker 2: you want to find a cauldron of bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: That's the cauldron.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know who's got the best take on it?
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  Speaker 2: It's Jacques Vallée. I'm in the middle of my third
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  Speaker 2: book of his right now. And it's, I'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: what it's called.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I should read some.
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  Speaker 2: He's the best.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you say he's the best? Like, what's your
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  Speaker 1: qualifier there?
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  Speaker 2: I'm on this one, Confrontations. Which is one of a
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  Speaker 2: three-part series of human interactions that have been documented with
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  Speaker 2: some sort of an invader from some other dimension or
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  Speaker 2: planet or whatever the fuck it is. He is the
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  Speaker 2: most irrational. He's the most analytical. He's the least likely
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  Speaker 2: to buy into horseshit, but not dismissive.
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  Speaker 1: That's like the critical balance, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Well, he's the guy that they modeled the French
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  Speaker 2: scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind after.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So he's been in this game since the 60s investigating
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  Speaker 2: these things.
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  Speaker 1: And time in the game counts for a ton. It
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  Speaker 1: counts for so much. And that's my greatest weakness in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ways among several is that I'm just
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  Speaker 1: really new to the game. And so I'm constantly, like,
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  Speaker 1: catching up on shit. And as stuff breaks, like Pam Bondi,
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  Speaker 1: for example, I have no history on who Pam Bondi
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  Speaker 1: is because I wasn't paying attention when Pam Bondi was
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  Speaker 1: in Florida. And so I'm having to, like, play catch
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  Speaker 1: up on what was going on. And the people that
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  Speaker 1: have been here for forever, like the Alex Joneses of
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  Speaker 1: this world, the Jacques Vallées, the people that watch things
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  Speaker 1: break live, you just get a different level of context.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get the David Ikes that are like,
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  Speaker 1: it's fucking reptiles, dude. They're all reptiles. David, have you
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  Speaker 1: seen David coming after me on Twitter recently?
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  Speaker 2: He came after me too.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, it's so good.
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  Speaker 2: I love him. I make fun of the reptile thing.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, why won't you have me on? I
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  Speaker 1: genuinely really appreciate it. It's like a good time. But
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  Speaker 1: it's like, maybe there are reptiles. I don't know, man.
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  Speaker 2: He went too far in time where there was no internet.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he went too far.
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  Speaker 1: It's you get too certain of yourself, right? You think
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  Speaker 1: you have the answers and you just keep going.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit of a grift.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: With some of these folks. I'm not saying necessarily him.
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  Speaker 2: but it's a little bit of a grift.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's an easy temptation to fall into, especially with
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  Speaker 1: the internet. Like every single day, people in my position,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, people in your position too, like we have
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  Speaker 1: the ability to just like, I'm going to get views
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  Speaker 1: and money if I drop deep down this grift. But
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them are not, like a lot of them,
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  Speaker 1: when you look into them, you realize, oh, there's like
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  Speaker 1: literally nothing there.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of stuff that's clickbait horseshit for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Or at least there's probably nothing there.
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  Speaker 1: The one that I just recently kind of was reminded
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  Speaker 1: of is, you know, the story that Disney sent kids
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  Speaker 1: to Epstein Island. yeah that's like a perfect like oh
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  Speaker 1: such a money conspiracy theory it's not true that's not
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  Speaker 1: it's when you look it up you realize that that
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  Speaker 1: i mean a lot of the information is kind of
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  Speaker 1: gone it's hard to even tell if it's legitimate websites
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  Speaker 1: and information which is already a red flag but the
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  Speaker 1: ones that are still up they just sent them into
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  Speaker 1: like the ocean like they were going on cruises that
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  Speaker 1: happened to be in the vicinity of the island that's
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  Speaker 1: totally different.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a very popular vacation destination.
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  Speaker 1: And so it becomes this, and that's kind of, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the fun part of the game.
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  Speaker 2: We thought about buying the island.
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  Speaker 1: Dude.
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  Speaker 2: When the island was for sale, we talked about it
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  Speaker 2: for a second. Let's put some of that Spotify money
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  Speaker 2: to use. That would be funny. I think they would
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  Speaker 2: have stopped you, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I think someone would have stopped you.
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  Speaker 4: 100%. Me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't shut the fuck up. Because there's shit
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  Speaker 2: underneath that island.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt.
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  Speaker 2: There's got to be something on that island that's incriminating.
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  Speaker 2: And also, what's in the walls? What's in the walls
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  Speaker 2: of the buildings? Like, I would get into the wiring.
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  Speaker 2: I'd bring in pros.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be like, tell me what the fuck's going on.
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  Speaker 1: What's under the dirt?
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  Speaker 2: I'd scan the fucking floors.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, LIDAR the ocean floor and the surrounding miles.
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  Speaker 2: Also, he's dead. So if he ever fucking hid some
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  Speaker 2: shit in there, no one knows where it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to erase that building.
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  Speaker 1: He's probably dead. I assume he's dead. But there was
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  Speaker 1: so much... Like, so much shit around it that, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel 100% sure. I feel, like, 95% sure
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  Speaker 1: that he's dead, 98% sure that he's dead.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I wouldn't go 100 either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right? You know what I'm saying? It's like, there's
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  Speaker 1: very few things I feel 100% sure about. But they
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  Speaker 1: did do an autopsy. But they did an autopsy on JFK, too,
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  Speaker 1: and it was not his body.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sort of. They did two autopsies. Well, they did
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  Speaker 2: the initial examination of the body was in Dallas, and
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  Speaker 2: then they flew it to Bethesda. The thing about that is,
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  Speaker 2: and this is a part of David Lifton's book, Best Evidence,
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  Speaker 2: which made me become a conspiracy theorist.
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  Speaker 1: I've never read it.
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  Speaker 2: It's fucking great. And David Lifton, who is an accountant,
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  Speaker 2: they gave him, I forget what the project was. but
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  Speaker 2: it was something to do with the Warren Commission report.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy's like a serious bookworm. He read the
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  Speaker 2: entire Warren Commission, which fucking nobody does. And it's like 9,000
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  Speaker 2: pages or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's a superpower, being able to read like that.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and find contradictions over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, this is horse shit. This whole thing's horse shit.
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  Speaker 2: And then he found out that Kennedy's brain was missing
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  Speaker 2: when it got all the way to Bethesda. He found
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  Speaker 2: out that the Dallas doctors said that the neck wound
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  Speaker 2: was an entry wound. And then the ones in Bethesda
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  Speaker 2: turned it into a tracheotomy hole.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bullet hole. He got shot.
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  Speaker 2: You could see him go like that.
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  Speaker 1: Garbage all over the place. And then you could also
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  Speaker 1: see his face get blown off, and they published photos
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  Speaker 1: of him from the official autopsy where his face was visible.
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  Speaker 2: I have a theory, and this is just mine. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really curious to hear yours. I'm sure I'm not
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  Speaker 2: the only one. I think he got shot in the
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  Speaker 2: head at the same time from two different directions.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good theory, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's a bit of spray that goes forward, which
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  Speaker 2: is not— Things are weird when you hit them with bullets.
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  Speaker 2: People have shot people in the head and the bullets
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  Speaker 2: come out their eye. Like it ricochets around the back
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  Speaker 2: of the skull. Like a. 22 or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Weird things happen when you shoot things. But some things
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  Speaker 2: are super consistent. And one thing that's super consistent is
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  Speaker 2: when you hit something, it goes in the direction that
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  Speaker 2: you hit it. So back and to the left. Hicks
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  Speaker 2: used to talk about that all the time. Back and
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  Speaker 2: to the left. Make it fun of the... In fact,
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  Speaker 2: the Zapruder film clearly showed that it wasn't a shot
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  Speaker 2: from the back. But the head goes spray, too. It
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  Speaker 2: goes spray like this back and to the left.
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  Speaker 1: Can we see it?
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  Speaker 2: Let's see it real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, something I love about the JFK story is that
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  Speaker 1: there are so many deep experts that have really done
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  Speaker 1: the dig, and they don't all come to the same conclusions.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing about Lifton's book. He also documents
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  Speaker 2: how many witnesses were murdered.
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  Speaker 1: And it's astounding. That's the part that often gets left off, too.
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  Speaker 2: All these witnesses, their cars got parked on railroad tracks,
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  Speaker 2: and they died of heart attacks when they were 30,
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  Speaker 2: and they got fucking shot in a robbery, and they
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: committed suicide, gas, they fell asleep in their car.
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  Speaker 1: Man, Hillary Clinton sure got started early.
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  Speaker 2: Back into the left. Watch this. Watch this, the explosion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's already hitting the neck. You're totally right.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a cloud in the front, right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it could be that the top of his
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  Speaker 2: head exploded right there, and the force drives him back.
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  Speaker 2: It also could... There's another possibility, and the possibility is
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  Speaker 2: spontaneous nerve reaction of your body shutting down, which could
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  Speaker 2: cause you to go back and to the left, even
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  Speaker 2: if you get shot in the front.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, the spray.
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  Speaker 2: Or if you get shot in the back, rather. The
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  Speaker 2: spray looks like it's going forward. We'll watch when he
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  Speaker 2: gets hit.
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  Speaker 1: See that? Yep. It's just weird. But the.
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  Speaker 2: Thing is, there's not a bullet hole on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: So that could be just the opening of the head,
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  Speaker 2: and it's an explosion of blood that comes out. Also,
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  Speaker 2: you have to realize, he's probably bleeding internally already. He
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: got shot in the neck. So he gets shot here.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: There's probably blood spraying all over the place inside of
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: his head. And then boom, he gets shot in the
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: front of his head. But his head clearly goes back
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: into the left. Like almost instantaneously. In a way that
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: you would imagine if someone got hit like that. Watch
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: this again.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Boom, he gets hit. Good catch on that frame.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: And then back.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: And it's all gone. Like, his face is just clearly
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: open right there.
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: Gone.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Right. And it's clearly not a shot from behind. I mean, like.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: It's definitely not a shot from behind because there's no
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: entry wound in the back of his head. And if
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: you're saying that that thing hit the front of his
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: head or the side of his head from behind like that.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like if there was a conspiracy theorist training course,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: the JFK assassination would be, like, the perfect, like, dry
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: run training course to, like, build it around because you
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: have all the pieces. You have, like. You have a
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: complex conspiracy with unknown actors from intelligence agencies and organized
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: crime and maybe multiple governments. It's like, and we don't
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: know all that. Then you have a complex cover-up that
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: evolved over time. You have researchers. You have bad information
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: being fed in from outside. You have conspiracy theorists that
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: are taking it in directions that are corroborable. It's got
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: all the things that you need to both learn how
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: to dig into and learn how to watch out for.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Also, people didn't really get serious about it until about
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: 12 years after the assassination. So when Geraldo Rivera has
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Dick Gregory on his show, oh, what is this?
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Have you guys ever heard the theory that frames were
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: taken out of the Zapruder film to make it look
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: like the car never slowed down?
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: That's bizarre. The thing is, I don't know how to
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: trust things like AI reconstructions of videos.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Let's just trust it, bro.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Boom. Oh, my goodness.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: That is so crazy.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That's so crazy.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: The theory about the driver shooting him, that's the one
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I've never bought, honestly. No, no. People always say the
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: driver turned around and shot him.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of those theories that probably the
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: government created.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: There's an open piece of evidence. To make people look stupid.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: There's an open piece of evidence of some kids that
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: showed up covered in mud at a car shop that
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: they worked at. It was like a dry day. They
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: showed up covered in mud. And there's a certain guy
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: that theorized that they were hiding in a manhole and
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: shot up at him out of the manhole and that
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: the car slows down in real life and that witnesses
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: saw the car slow down. And that there's dropped frames
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: from this Epruder film. And it's like, these are these
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: kinds of theories where it's like, it's like, how do
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: you dig into that and like prove that? And the
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: answer is you have to get to primary sources. You
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: have to get to like, is there a police report
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: for that kid showing up? Like, is there, is that
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: location real? Like, can you corroborate any of this? Right.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And the unfortunate truth is you could, if you could
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: fucking see the files that our government was hiding from us.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Theoretically, anyways.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to be released soon.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Have some patience. Dude, they're releasing tomorrow, Joe. Can you?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Is that real?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: No. It's like every day is Christmas.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for real.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Can you Google David Lifton witnesses of the JFK assassination odds?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Because he did some sort of a calculation of the
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: odds of all these people dying the way they died. Yeah, dude.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: And it's millions to one. It's nuts.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: That's a big part of what I do. How likely
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: is it that this is a coincidence? Is it even possible?
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Right. That one's very unlikely, which means they were killing witnesses.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Someone was killing witnesses. I think there was people shooting
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: from the back and the front. I think Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: People want to say it's one or zero. I think
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald was in on it. I think Lee
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Harvey Oswald probably didn't shoot the president, though. But he
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: might have. He might have hit him in the back
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: because there was a shot in the back, too. You know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the whole reason why they had to call this a
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: tracheotomy is the same reason why they had to come
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: up with a single bullet theory.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So you're a deep person. Because you've got to explain it. Well,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Do you know about the ricochet underneath the overpass?
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm deep enough to know the basics.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: But there's so many layers. And you have to read
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the books. You have to watch the films. You have to, like,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: see the interviews. You've got to talk to Oliver Stone. Exactly.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Oliver Stone just goes off.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And that's why I was curious to hear your takes
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: because you've actually talked to these people.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Oliver Stone's the best because he's been studying this for
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: fucking ever. And he can tell you exactly what's going
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: on with Dulles.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: And he's not just been studying it forever. He's been
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: studying the actual primary source documents themselves and like reading
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the real archives that are released.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And then. There's a wild connection between Jolly West and
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Jack Ruby.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Jolly West is crazy. Have you read Chaos yet?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Dude. So I didn't know about Jolly until I read Chaos.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And then I started digging it because I knew about MKUltra.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I have been learning about MKUltra when I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: was a kid, like doing psychedelics. But I didn't really
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: understand anything about that history or anything around the CIA
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: back then.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: They ran the Hate Ashbury Free Clinic.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: And they closed it down after Chaos came out.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: No way?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yes way. So just recently, the entire time they had
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: been running this clinic it's not like they were running
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the clinic and they said you know let's not run
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the clinic anymore let's just give it to 70s are
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: over like whatever the peace and war bullshit or peace
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and love bullshit that's over yeah one of the conspiracy
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: theories that's yes yeah it's coming out this week Really?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: This week?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Tom O'Neill is my friend Greg's longtime friend and former neighbor. Well,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I think they're still neighbors. But they were neighbors in
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: New York, and then they were neighbors in California.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty cool neighbor.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool neighbor. But this guy's been working on
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: this one fucking story for 20 years. You imagine just
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: pulling your hair out, just going crazy for 20 years.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: No, I'm a generalist, and I rely on people like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that because I could never stay with something for that long.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: No, he could have written many other books on the
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: exact same subject. He can keep going. Part two, more
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I know. Part three, more I know.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: He could have written a book about each of those
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: sketchy dudes that he had questions about.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Each of those CIA guys, each of those weird doctors.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Well, each of those times. How about each time that
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Manson got away with committing crimes?
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And the girls too.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like, oh, it's above our pay grade.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: So they were paying people to do this. They were
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: giving the Manson family LSD and money. They were allowing
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: them to commit crimes. And the whole idea was just
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to change the idea of what people thought of as
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: hippies and to stop the anti-war movement. And also to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: see what they can get away– what they can do
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: with it.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I suspect they're– I mean, to me, the big question
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: is that seems like the first– like, for sure that's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: going on, right? Yeah. Is to co-opt the hippie– I mean, first,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the hippie movement probably was to co-opt the anti-war movement.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: That was pretty buttoned up.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Like, I suspect that LSD did not just escape the lab.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I suspect they were, like, quick– turn all these kids
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: into crazy hippies. Like, try this out, try this out,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: try this out.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so check this out. Have you read Strange Scenes
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Inside Laurel Canyon?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I started to read it. I have not finished it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, even just the first chapter, right? So
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: if you take that book's premise, it's basically that before
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the hippie movement, there was a very powerful organized anti-war
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: movement led by a bunch of Quakers, a bunch of
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: black activists, a bunch of, like my dad was one
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: of them. And it was not this hippie fringe thing.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It was a very powerful anti-Vietnam protest. And the moment
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that LSD gets introduced, it becomes all peace and love.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: And he points out in that book how all of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: these people like Frank Zappa, like lead members of the Doors,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: people organize the Monterey Pop Festival over and over and over.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Like he probably has two to three dozen examples specifically
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: he goes deep into. They all just happen to move
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: from wherever they are all over the world into this
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: area in L.A. that is not a hotbed for music.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And they all just start making music about peace and
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: love and doing LSD. And all of them have parents
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that are from special forces, intelligence operations, Pentagon. Some of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the musicians themselves have backgrounds that look exactly like CIA
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: operatives that were doing revolutions in Cuba and overseas.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Like who in specific?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Like the lead singer of The Doors, Jim Morrison, for example.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Frank Zappa. So Frank Zappa's one where his dad and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: his mom were both... Frank Zappa's dad... Worked at the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: base that is that was like the chemical weapons like
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: where they did their chemical weapons research His dad was
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a chemical weapons specialist in like top-secret clearances Which is
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: basically like when you read about what his dad was
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it sounds a lot like what MK ultra would be
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it sounds a lot like what? You would like drug
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: their drug experiments.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And chemical weapons is drugs.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Chemical is the wrong word psychological operations is Um, but
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: it's right there. Like it's on his Wikipedia page. It's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: not hard to find these things. What, what that guy
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: did that I forget who wrote the book, but what
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: he did was not like find uncovered evidence that had
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: never been uncovered. He just looked at all these different
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: people whose histories were very public, but he put it
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: all together and realized like, that's a lot of people
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that all moved to this one place and all started
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: producing music that was like all within this one thing. Like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Jim Morrison, his dad was the lead commander of the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: boat that was in the Gulf of Tonkin that started
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the Vietnam War. That's like kind of a weird coincidence.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And you could definitely make the explanation that kids often
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: rebel against their parents. Right. Kids often step out of
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: line and are like, fuck the old way. Right, right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: But a lot of them were ex-military. Like, directly ex-Suits
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and ex-CIA.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Was Morrison an ex-military guy?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: No, Morrison, I don't believe he was.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Why do you think that he looks like a CIA
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: operative then?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: No, no, not Morrison. I was saying Frank's... But you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: said lead singer of The Doors, too. No, that was
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: just me giving examples. The guy specifically that he said
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that had the history that was... He was doing what
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: looked like color revolutions in Cuba... Because I'm not super
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: familiar with the music of that time. I might forget
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: what band he was in might have been the Mamas
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and the Papas There was a couple of guys in
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the Mamas and Papas that he did deep dives in.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: But here's the question you can't You can't like fake
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: talent You know I'm saying like.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Well a lot of didn't write their own song yeah,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and I mean like Jim Morrison good I.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, Jim.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them were great.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Jim Morrison was fucking good.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Some of them were great. Frank Zappa was crazy great.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: But this is the thing.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: It's like you can't, like. 100%. I don't think. But
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. They could push people with talent that
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: they also could use to further their agenda.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: And make those people more popular than they would be organically.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And put a lot of emphasis behind it. The reason
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: why this tracks is because what Nixon did. So with
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the sweeping psychedelic act of 1970, they passed this. They
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: made mushrooms and all these different things illegal so that
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: they could go after the civil rights activists and the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: anti-war activists.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And they shut them all down. They shut them all down.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Go after them for having these things that were societal disruptors.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: It also makes fertile ground for COINTELPRO. When you have
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: things like drugs and drug culture, like fertile ground for COINTELPRE.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the big thing about Jolly West and
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Manson is that Jolly West allegedly taught Manson how to
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: use psychedelics and manipulate people. And oftentimes when Manson was
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: with the family, apparently he pretended to take LSD. And
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: they all took it. And then he would manipulate them.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And then he did, like, hypnotism and, like, weird speeches.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: It really does look like. And the thing is that
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I respect Tom O'Neill so much because he didn't try
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to claim things he couldn't prove. Right. But he just
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: put it all out there and was like, this is
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: what I'm seeing and think what you think. And it
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: looks to me like you're saying that Manson was either
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: directly trained to practice these things and carry them out
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: or he was sort of like a patsy in the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: operation that they kind of, like, Gave him the setting
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: within which to just go along his megalomaniacal impulses and
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: just kind of kept tabs on him and kept him
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: safe and just kept him going. I think he wasn't
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a part of it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I think he was a part of it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Because of how effective he was.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: They visited him in prison.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: This is why I think he's a part of it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I think they've recognized in prison, like, look, you got
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: two choices. You could be in jail for the rest
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: of your fucking life or we can work for you.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: We think you're brilliant. We think you're an amazing mind
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of untapped talent. And, you know, you pray to this
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: narcissist ego and you start telling him things. And the
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: next thing you know, he's out there in the street
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: working for you like.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: A little hoe. It's crazy how many people that wind
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: up in these weird positions came out of like you
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: were in prison, then you got released or you were
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in trouble and then you got. And the girls, like,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the girls, it's crazy. Those girls, like, some of them
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: had committed some minor crimes, but a lot of them
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: were just regular people. And then suddenly they become, like, absolute, like, murderers, like, dark,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: dark murderers. Those were gross.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I think mind control is real, right?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And I think hypnosis is real. Acid is real. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: then the techniques that they've developed over decades of fucking
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: with people with these drugs, they know what to do. Yeah.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, the dark thing that, I mean, we don't
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: need to go into it because it's real dark. But
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I think that when you study the MKUltra files, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: this is where there's a lot of conspiracy theories that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: are hard to prove. There's a bunch of witness victim testimony,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: but it's hard to prove, is the Monarch programs are
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: an alleged program that never got disclosed. And that's all
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the programs that are hidden behind child sexual abuse being
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a part of mind control. Because a lot of the drugs, like,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: They can break people's minds and they can be involved
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: in mind control. But a lot of those papers talk
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: about dissociative identity disorder as like the holy grail of
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that Manchurian candidate concept. And it makes a lot of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: sense if you know how dissociative identity disorder works. And
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that is most commonly associated with dark, grim childhood sexual abuse.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And then you get all these victim testimonies, hundreds and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: hundreds of people these days talking about how they were
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a part of these programs, like people that were on
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Epstein's Island. that claim to have been victimized as children and,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and put subjected to mind control experiments paired with childhood
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: sexual abuse.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: It's just so hard to believe that people are that evil,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: but they have been throughout history. This is why it's weird.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It's like, we'll look back on the Victorian era or
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: we'll look back on the, the, you know, the, the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: man boy love of the, you know, Socrates era. We'll go,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: that's just back then.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: We've evolved now.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: We don't do that anymore. Yeah.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: But when they've identified specific aspects of traumatic past that
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: they can use these particular victims of trauma, of childhood trauma,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and take them and turn them into weapons.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: That's so wild.
• 29:21
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• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: You get people to do things.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Break Jack Ruby's mind in an instant, like.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: In jail, yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And the craziest thing is that we've been living in
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: a world where for all of our history until the internet,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and really until recent internet history... They could do those
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: things and just not have anyone report on it. Exactly.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And so no one would ever even know. And I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: think that there's this feeling that the world is so
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: dark right now because we're learning everything.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And I actually take the opposite view. I think that
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the light is being shown and the world is super dark.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of crazy, horrible people, but there's all
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: kinds of crazy good people, everything in between.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And you have to shine the light on it all
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: before you can fix it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I think that's one of the more fascinating
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: things about the fact that this is a weird time
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: for uncovering federal corruption. And I think they're in real
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: trouble because I don't think they can use their phones.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think they can do the things that they
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: used to be able to do.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't think they're united. I hadn't thought about that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: They're definitely not united. 100%. There's rats in that ship.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: There's rats in that ship. And I think everybody's scared.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: And so everybody's worried that people are wearing camera buttons.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: It is the era of secret cameras, too.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: And they're all selfish fucks, so they're all for themselves.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: So they probably demonstrated that all throughout these relationships they've
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: had with other people. So nobody trusts anybody.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yep. I mean, that's the nature of politics.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: And you can't use your phone.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: Nope.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: You can't use your email. You probably can't even talk
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: with Alexa in the house. Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm at the point where I'm starting to get, like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not literally that paranoid, but I've had some conversations
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: in terms of, like, people that want to leak a story,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: which I normally just avoid because I don't want to
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: touch it. But every now and then I'm like, let's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: go on a walk because I don't want to hear
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: what you have to say around any of this shit
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: because I know it's being recorded.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I know it can be listened to.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Do you have a crazy phone or do you use
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a regular phone? No, it's just an iPhone. Yeah. I'm
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: aspiring to get one of those, like one of the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Eric Prince phones or something like that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: That's when you've reached the next level of conspiracy. When
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you get a de-Googled phone that doesn't have 5G, you'll
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: use four. Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: But the way I look at it is, so I
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: intentionally do all of my stuff. I basically do open
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: source investigations. I don't try to like break news stories
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: because it's way safer and it's way more interesting. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I don't, my goal is not to like, to like
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: know everything or to be some great journalist. My goal
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: is to inspire everybody else, like to inspire the world
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: to think a little more and to be more critical
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and to look it up for yourself.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Well, you're also serving a function, like a service for people,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: because what you're doing is you're taking all the time
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: to find all this open source and then putting it
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: out there. Yeah. And you're really thorough about it. You say,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: this is what I know.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I try to be.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: You've also done- I mean, I guess you're wrong all.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: The time, but- You start doing this thing with your
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: hand above your head. People steal that now.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Have you noticed that?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Well, it's because TikTok's green screen- Well, it's your hand.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: The way you do it, though, with your hand- One
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: finger gets taken away. TikTok will delete one finger if
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I'm pointing with one finger- Why? Because it's a green
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: screen app, and so I'm using the camera- And in
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: my camera, it's putting the thing behind me, but it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: cutting out me. And if I only use one finger,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it cuts my whole hand away. So I started doing this.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Why is it out?
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Just because the green screen, when it's trying to AI
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: analyze what is a body and what is the background,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: it'll take away my hand as though it's the background.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, how weird. So you started pointing out things like this.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I haven't gone all the way to doing this at
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the screen yet, but... But I see a lot of people.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: That are doing exactly your way. So that's why they're
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: doing it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, I've had a level of
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: success that is unprecedented. And people call me a controlled
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: opposition because of it. And it's like, whatever, dude. Like,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: if I was in all of their seats, I would
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: probably be like, where did this dude come from? But
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: at a certain point, it's like an intense level of suspicion.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: You're talking to captain controlled opposition over here.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I know, dude.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: People think that I'm controlled opposition. Yeah. That whole term
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: is funny because there's got to be real controlled opposition.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: That's why it's a term. It's the info war, dude.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It's crazy out here. It's a valid strategy. But I
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: think you could figure it out after a while. Yeah,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and for me it's really interesting because, and you know
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: this too, you've been in this game for forever, is
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: when you actually get to meet people in real life,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you learn things about them, you get that vibe of them.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: It's not impenetrable. You can be fooled. But like, how
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: much can you fool? And can you fool all your
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: employees all the time? Like Alex Jones is a great example.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: People call him controlled opposite. Like he's bought by the Jews.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: He's bought by the commies. He's bought by the, and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: it's like, cool. But I know all of his staff
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: and I've hung out with them. And like, you've known
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: him over years and years. Like, is he faking his
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: entire life? Like I've been on his show. I've seen
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: what he was doing.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: The exact same thing when no one was listening.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: He was on public radio.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Alex has been saying, he's been talking about this stuff
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: since the 90s. And I've known him since 90, I
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: guess I met him in 99. Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I learned the other day that he started InfoWars,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: like he officially founded InfoWars, like when I was two
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: years old or something like that. It blew my brain.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: It was like, what?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: The first video of his that really woke me up
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: was the video he did on the World Trade Organization
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: protests in Seattle. When he showed that there was these
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: groups of masked men who dressed in military uniforms with
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: military issue shoes. They all had the same shit on.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And they all ran around in this peaceful protest for
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the World Trade Organization and started smashing things and lighting
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: things on fire and creating chaos, which allowed the police
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: to then move in. Then these people all holed up
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: in one house. They negotiated with the police and they
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: were all released.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Weird. Yeah. Almost sounds like a few events of the
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: last couple years, you know?
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like Patriot Front, which just went under.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: They went under the day after.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't know? After USAID was cut?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: No, right after Cash Patel gets in.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Cash Patel.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Pull that up. Pull that up.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Because there's a video of Patriot Front and me and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Matt Taibbi. I go, they're feds. I go, it's me yelling,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: where's the fat people? They're all wearing the same uniform.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I saw that clip.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: One guy's got a fucking drum.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here. These are feds. These
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: are feds.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: The day after Cash Patel gets in, they disband.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Funny how that, I mean, that's a, I'm, I'm really
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: interested in like looking for like right now with all
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: these new people coming in, Cash and Pam and all,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: like all the picks, RFK, I'm really enjoying the process
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: of just trying to watch their actions and trying to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: figure out who's doing what and how much are they
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: going to play to the money and play to the people.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: where do you kind of, and how much leeway do
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you give them? How much grace do you give them? Um,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Especially with the Epstein blackmail hanging as a cloud over
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the entire federal government. I don't think that any of
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: those three are blackmailed, but I don't feel confident that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I know that they're not.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Let's look at it. Here's a possibility other than blackmail. Negotiation.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Well, that's always a factor.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: But instead of blackmail, if you are a government and
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you have information on someone who is an asset or
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: someone who is very wealthy. And this person is like, hey, motherfucker.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Like, what are you doing?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: You're at 26 times?
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: How about you shut the fuck up from here out?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: No more Trump's Hitler. Well, that's the definition of blackmail.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: How about you say that we did a good job
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: every now and again? Give us a little credit. Let's
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: work something out here. It's not necessarily blackmail as much
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: as it's negotiation.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I would argue that's indistinguishable. Right.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Unless you're getting money, too.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Like. No, blackmail is just I know something that you
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: don't want out. And any level of threatening that it'll
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: get out or, you know. Okay, but what if it
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: goes the other way?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: What if the wealthy person contacts them and says, listen,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I can make things very good for you. I can
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: do this. I can do that. If I go to jail,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: this is not helping anybody. Oh, 100%.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, reverse. That's the opposite.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: So that's bribery, I guess?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Kind of. It's just, yeah, that's deal making. But I
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of Epstein's targets were willing. I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of them, because I think that
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: we're talking, it's not just Jeffrey Epstein, it's organized crime
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: as a network. Like he's just an employee of organized crime.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of those people are
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: basically saying, yeah, I want into the club. Because if
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you are like a Reid Hoffman or allegedly, if you're
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: one of those guys and you want more contracts or
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you want more deals, like allegedly. And like, let's be clear,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: just because I say something on Joe's podcast does not
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: mean that Joe fucking agrees with me, CNN. Thank you.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Because like, I'm a crazy fucker. And I got all
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: kinds of theories. about Epstein. But, like, I think that
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of them were willing. Because I think a
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: lot of them are. I mean, if you're sick enough
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to rape a child, like, on Jeffrey Epstein's island, you're
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: sick enough to want into that club.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Well, for sure, throughout history, there have been pedophiles.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: That's a fact.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: For sure, some pedophiles get to prominent positions of power.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: That's a fact, right? And Jimmy Savile. The traits that
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: do the same. Jimmy Savile in fucking England.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Like that one.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: That should put it out to bed for anybody.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Prince Andrew.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Sandusky.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Allegedly. I don't know about him. I never heard that.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: But Sandusky I've heard.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: You never heard about Bill Gates?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't know he was into kids.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude. I mean, he's one of Epstein's closest confidants.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing about the Epstein thing. Weren't they... Were
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: they all underage?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: No, not at all. No, it's very complex. Right.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: So some of them were in their 20s. Like one
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: girl was complaining or I shouldn't say complaining. That's very mild.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: One girl who alleging that she was 20 at the time,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: she was saying.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: So just because someone has been to the island and
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: has been compromised, right, doesn't necessarily mean that they've been
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: compromised with underage people. But I think there's a specific
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: group that wants underage people.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, 100%.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And the reason why I say this is not a
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. It has been that way throughout history.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: All of history.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Many, many, many conspiracies that have been uncovered and criminal
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: investigations have found that people were trafficking children. It's been done.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: So this is not like vampires.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: We're not talking about werewolves.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Child trafficking, like child trafficking rings get exposed and brought
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: down around the world relatively frequently, like at least once
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: a year. But they usually don't make big news because
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: they're usually not like Epstein.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: We know there are pedophiles. That's a real thing. We
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: know there are psychos who get very wealthy and want
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: specific things.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Look.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: There's people that drink rhino horn tea. Exactly. Why do
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: they drink rhino horn tea? Because the rhino is so endangered.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: It's so gangster to have rhino horn. It's just the
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: elite experience. Exactly. The elite experience.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: And what you're talking about is this, it's such an
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: important concept is that some people, like if you wanted
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: to pay for an underage prostitute, people can, you can
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: pay for that. There are people, there are women that
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: would be prostitutes underage. The people that, that we're talking
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: about in the Epstein files that were that wanted underage
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: girls specifically because they weren't all underage. Some of them
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: wanted overage girls. Some of them were just scientists. They
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: weren't all compromised. But the ones that wanted underage girls,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: they specifically want what they couldn't have. Because if you
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: wanted sex that you're allowed to have, you just wanted
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: a young girl, you could just go pay for that.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: What Epstein was doing is he was recruiting girls that
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: were from like American families and kind of tricking them
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: and coercing them. Like they wanted a girl that they
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: wanted the experience of coercing. Some of these people, not
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: all of them, want the experience of I am doing
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: this to a girl that I am coercing, I am manipulating,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: or I'm just straight up being physically violent to to
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: get this thing. Because if you wanted a willing 16-year-old,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: those do exist.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: But the thing about these really wealthy, high-profile people, and,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: you know, Eric Weinstein was highlighting this to me once.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: He was saying— Smart dude. I like him.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Very smart dude. And he wasn't making any accusations at all,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: but he was just talking overall. He goes, I think
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: there are people out there that can facilitate experiences for
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: discrete clients. And it's very valuable. Like, look at the
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: guy who gave Epstein that house in Manhattan. He gave him.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: You mean Leslie Wexner? Yeah, the guy from Victoria's Secret.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: Oh, dude.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: He gave him. A $ 60 million mansion.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: He did way more than that. He signed his entire
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: power of attorney to him.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: You're so cool. I'm going to give you a house.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: No, he gave him the keys to the entire castle
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: of all of Victoria's Secret and Abercrombie and Fitch and
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: all of L. Brands.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: When you find out that people who worked at Nickelodeon
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: are pedophiles, you go, oh.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Foot fetishist, no less.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: If you're going to be a pedophile, wouldn't you go
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: be around kids like if you could be and sneak around? Okay,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you think that Sacha Baron Cohen thought he had
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: exposed pedophile ring while filming Who Is America? Oh, that's right.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, the concierge said
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: they can.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: They could do something.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: We can help you.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, things happen out of... Like, it's kind of crazy.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Do you remember Andrew Breitbart got killed?
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I do remember that. And he got.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: He was exposing... A heart attack. Exactly. He was exposing
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Acorn because... So how.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, I'm totally blanking on our boy these days
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that does all the... O'Keefe?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, O'Keefe.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: You know that James O'Keefe got his start with Breitbart
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: on that story exposing ACORN. And what they did is
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: they sent James O'Keefe and this other female reporter into ACORN.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And O'Keefe pretended to be a pimp. Well, they asked
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: them for help setting up a underage sex trafficking ring.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: And the people at ACORN... I didn't know it was underage.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: They wanted help setting up an underage sex trafficking ring
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: using children from Guatemala. Or from Central America.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Did they say that in the meeting?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. That was what was on tape. What?
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: It blew my mind when I read it. I was like,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: what are we talking about right now? Because I didn't
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: know that history because I wasn't paying attention back then.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And that is the story is that he went in
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and asked for help. Setting up a under, I don't
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: think he was like, I don't think he was probably
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: using the words like five-year-olds, 10-year-olds. I assume that he
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: was like implying like 16-year-olds, but I don't know. But
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that's the story.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: How did he phrase it?
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not, you can't, I mean, I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: can't find those videos anymore. I've looked. Really? I'm sure
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: they're somewhere. And I'm sure that James O'Keefe could tell
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the story.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: What happened with him and Project Veritas?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea. And it's a
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: whole drama fest. And I try to stay, I.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Mean, I usually try to stay out of the.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Drama in the modern era. Industry because it's like it'll just.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Waste conspiracy drama. There's drama inside the drama in.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: The drama in every industry There's drama in the drama
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: class But yeah, they like they he went in and
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: asked for help setting up this ring and they allegedly
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: said yeah Here's how you do it will help you
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: will help you'll help you and that's what the case
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: they brought against acorn was right before Andrew Breitbart mysteriously
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: died and then the coroner that did his autopsy mysteriously
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: died it's like That was such a weird one to
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: stumble upon because I didn't know I was about to
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: stumble upon it. Yeah, and people can look. I mean,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: everyone should look up. Anything that I say always, people
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: should always just look it up and just start typing
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: things in that I'm saying and see if you can
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: figure it out and what you think. Because I am
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: not an expert. I'm just a dude that is looking
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: things up. And I try to be really thorough.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Wasn't Breitbart, was it Breitbart or Drudge that was the
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: first victim of these coordinated anti-advertising campaigns?
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Oh,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: like where advertisers all pull out to try to tank you? Yes, exactly.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Like what they try to do to Elon? Exactly.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. They do it strategically.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I think it was done to both probably, but I
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: But I think the first one, the first one that
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: they did it on, I think it was Breitbart. I
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: think Breitbart was on this like super rapid upward trajectory
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and they just completely tanked the revenue. Was it Breitbart
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: or is it, do you remember Jamie? Who was talking
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to us about that the other day? Was it Chase Hughes?
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Who was it?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: It might have been... It.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Is interesting how you can watch out over history. The
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: more history you learn, the more you get to see
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: where certain strategies, kind of like deep state strategies, so
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: to speak, or intelligence agency strategies get invented, and then
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: they start using them.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Might have been Mike Benz.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: That would be a Mike Benz thing to say for sure.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It sounds like Mike Benz. I can see that. He
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: knows his shit. Yeah, he knows a lot of shit.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Okay. Breitbart Plus lost 90% of its advertisers in two months.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: That's what it is.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Who's still there? So this is the Washington Post
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: making it seem like this is a normal thing.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, look, they lost all their advertising.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: People pulled out because they're full of shit.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: It's just another frame game.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: No, they all coordinated to try to boycott them and
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: kill them.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy to have all of these tactics exposed
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: in plain view now, and they still keep trying them.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Did you see the thing that's going around today of
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the 22 different mainstream news sites all parroting the exact
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: same thing?
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Well, not just that, all the Congress people.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Do you see that? They're all saying the exact same thing.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's Congress people, not news anchors. It's
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: just that now everyone is a.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: It's fucking Pelosi and Schumer and all these different people.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: There's 12 of them now that they've got saying the
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: exact same script.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's more than 12. Alex Jones had a full
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: 22 on his show, so they kept adding to it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: At first, it was two of them early in the morning.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: They're so dumb. They all read the same script.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: They're so dumb.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: But they use a different tone of voice.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: But they give their own spin on it because they're performers.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: It's wild.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I've got to have my own creative control.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But then you get into the people that are like,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: the whole world's a stage. Trust the plan. Q's in control.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: And it's like, whoa, dude, calm down.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've gone too far. Well, then when you see
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: that documentary on Q, you realize what kind of people
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: you're dealing with.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Which documentary? The one that had the really cool Q thing.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: The HBO one? Yeah, but I don't trust a documentary
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: like that either because HBO is like– that's the definition
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: of mainstream media. So I try to stay somewhere in
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the middle of that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: That is true, but I think HBO let this guy
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: uncover this story accurately. I believe it. I had him
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: in and explained it.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that I saw– I'm pretty sure that
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I did see the documentary. Yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It's like a multi-part and it shows all the people
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: that were involved in it and it kind of highlights
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: a guy who seems to be cute. who is kind
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: of an internet shit poster, fucking around. When 4chan was
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: in its heyday, back when all that shit was going down,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: it's ripe for that kind of nonsense.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, perfect perfect fertile ground for that kind of
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: like controlled reverse opposition, whatever bullshit psyops. And that's where
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: for me, the bottom line is, can I corroborate it
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: with primary sources? And Q is the definition of no,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: of course I can't. It's like, what is it? A
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: time traveler that's coming back that's telling us how to
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: save the world or something? Like, I don't understand.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Do you think stuff like Pizzagate, Like when they had
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: that guy come in and fire off that shot, I
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: felt like that was a great way to put a
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: halt to all the looking into the Podesta emails. That's
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: exactly what that was. Because then all of a sudden
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: it's a kook thing. Now it's a crazy person and
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: a dangerous person because he's got a gun. You're causing
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: dangerous people to take their guns.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Just like with the vaccines. It's like they always have
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: to make it dangerous, right? It's dangerous to say that
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: this might– Have side effects.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Right. Because if you read those emails.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Exactly right.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Those emails are bananas.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: And they're not explained.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: They're talking about young kids who are going to be
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: coming to a party to have fun.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: They're talking about pizza and hot dogs. They'll be in
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the pool and they will be there for sure. $ 65, 000
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: worth of hot dogs flown from Chicago for a White
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: House party.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is like very weird.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see the archived Instagram posts from James
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Oliphantis' Instagram? No. Because that's a dark place. So there's
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: so many layers to Pizzagate that they tried to cover
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: up intentionally for very good reason.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Well, how about the logos?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is I avoid– and the way I've
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: talked about it, I've avoided all the symbols and logos
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and even some of the pizza stuff because I think
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: there's so much more ripe, clear evidence that is way
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: more powerful. And James Alfonso's Instagram account is a great
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: example where– Can you find it online? So you cannot
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: find it on Instagram anymore because– It's only been archived
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: onto other sites, which is kind of sketchy because it's like,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: how do I know you're not adding photos and stuff?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: So you kind of have to dig and dig and
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: dig and cross-reference over and over and over to make
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: sure that you're getting sort of like the consensus because
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: everyone watched as it happened. So people like Liz Croak
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and people like Alex Jones, like they saw these things
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: come out. And you can find plenty of different archives
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: of all of James Alphonse's Instagram posts. And there are
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: things like photos of children with their arms taped to tables.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: And the caption is, looks like a fun time. And
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: then people that have always been commenting on his posts,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: like the people that are interacting with his posts all
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the time, have even weirder Instagrams where it's like kill room.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: And there's a coffin that's open and things like that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: There's like a photo of like a walk-in freezer. And
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: it's like, man, looks like you've been having a fun weekend.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Things like that that are just super dark. And a
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: bunch of babies and a bunch of symbolism, a bunch
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: of children. And it's all photos on their Instagram in
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: plain daylight. And they all got scrubbed, obviously.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And that's not to mention Podesta's art collection and the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Marina Abramovich connections. It goes on and on and on
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and on and on.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: And we're talking about the Clintons with the Haiti scandals,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: with the cocaine in Arkansas. It's like, the thing is
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: that we sound crazy. I sound crazy to someone that
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't do their own research because you just start, there's
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: so many layers of like crazy shit that's happened with
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: some of these people.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: That if you don't know the history of a person
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: like Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton- It's really easy to think, oh,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: that's just so insane that you would think that they
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: would be involved in it. And first of all, they
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: frame it in the articles about Pizzagate. They say Hillary
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Clinton was the mastermind of a global pedophile sex trafficking
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: ring all headquartered in this pizza shop, which is not
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: what anyone ever claimed. Right.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: So as soon as you can discredit that, you discredit
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the whole thing.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Classic frame job, which Nancy Pelosi explains very well, where
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: you make a false claim and you say that's what
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: they're saying and then you discredit the false claim. But
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: if you really learn the history of the Clinton family,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: just as one example.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Did you ever read The Strange Death of Vince Foster?
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: No.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: But I know a little bit about the Foster situation
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: and a couple of those weird deaths earlier on.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I read that book.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I should read that.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Back in the Dizzee. And that's what got me into
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: wondering about the Clintons. Because that guy died. They found
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: his body where there was less blood at the scene
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: that was missing from his body. And the gun was
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: still in his hand.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I was actually just reading about that specific murder in
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Whitney Webb's books like two nights ago. Because she goes
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: over that too. Because it's a huge question mark.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: The gun was in his hand. The gun's never in
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: your hand.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: And his family claimed that that wasn't the right gun.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: He had a black gun and his family was like, no,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: he owned a silver gun. All these weird things. They
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: never found the bullet. Like all sorts of things that
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: just don't add up. And that was right after Epstein
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: had first walked into Bill Clinton's life. That was between
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: White House visit number one and White House visit number two,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: while Epstein was funding the refurbishing of the entire West
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Wing of the White House.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up Epstein because there was a
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: point that I was going to make earlier that I forgot.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: The Epstein situation is identical to the Manson situation.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: You think so? Yeah. Explain what you mean.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: This is why.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you don't mean that literally.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: I think you mean that in a more metaphorical way.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I mean the structure. The structure of how you would
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: put it, like if you were going to use an
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: intelligence asset to do something evil, to do something where
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: you can get dirt on people or compromise people or
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: accomplish an objective, you would get someone who's already fucked up.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, 100%.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: And then you get that fucked up person and you
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: help them run this cult or you help them get girls.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: But you intentionally keep them separate. You're not hiring them.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: They don't work for you.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: They're a private entity. It's like layers of obfuscation.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Like if he wasn't personally a pervert, it wouldn't work.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, not a chance. No.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Like think about like the guy gets arrested for having
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: sex with underage girls or getting them to do happy
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: endings or whatever, wherever he did. So he gets arrested.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: And then the real weird thing is that he just
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: gets out and gets like house arrest.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: And he gets like a little slap on the wrist
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: and then he's back in action with all these rich
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: people again.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Like really rich, influential people like Bill Gates is hanging
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: out with him after he's already been arrested and convicted.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Like that's bananas.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: But to your point about them.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: But he's got to already be fucked up. He can't
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: be like a straight edge, regular guy with a family
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: and children that is just evil. No, you got to
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: have him in on the thing. So if you got
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: a guy you know is already a freak. You know
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: he's already a nut, and he's already doing blow and
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: fucking hookers all the time, and maybe he's been caught
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: with a few underage girls.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Well, when you study where he came from and how
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: he got plucked from the Dalton School and then got
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: put into Bear Stearns, and then got put through Bear Stearns,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: then got put into money management.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: It was teaching at one point.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: It was teaching at the Dalton School, and then he
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: was a banker at Bear Stearns, which he conveniently left
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: when this big scandal broke that implicated him and the director, Goldstein,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: that had hired him. and had been helping him up.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: And then he left and kind of took the fall
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and took the dirt with him. And then he went
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: into the arms running businesses, which is where he met Maxwell,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Daddy Maxwell, not daughter Maxwell, and Adnan Khashoggi and Lise
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and all these other arms traffickers. And that's where he
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: got into those. So it's like you walk slowly into
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: these worlds. And as they're doing that, I'm imagining they're
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: taking tabs on him, like what kind of guy is
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: this and what's he into? And he's working with arms traffickers.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: And some of those arms traffickers were famous for blackmail,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: like Adnan Khashoggi, He was famous for having his yacht
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: filled up with cameras and given his arms deals everything
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: they could ever want while he's selling weapons to them.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: And he's got his whole yacht wired up with cameras.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Trump later bought that yacht, which is super interesting. Do
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: you know about that? So Trump, check this out. And
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not claiming that Trump is in on everything. It's
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: a very complex thing here. But Trump's history is pretty weird.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: He bought the Plaza Hotel, which is where the blue
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: suite parties that blackmailed J. Edgar Hoover happened. Do you
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: know about those? No, what year was that? Oh, dude,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: so J. Edgar Hoover, the founder of the FBI. This
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: is where I thought I was starting this fucking job
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: to talk about GameStop and to talk about, like, the
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: financial markets and shit, and then I realized how important
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: intelligence agencies and organized crime are to how the world works,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and I just got deeper and deeper and deeper and
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: deeper into, like, what's the history?
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: I don't want to miss out on some of Epstein's stuff.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Should we come back to that? Well, we'll get there.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: This is all connected.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's all connected.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I could talk about the Epstein stuff for fucking days
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: and start all kinds of trouble for your podcast and shit, but....
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that trouble's supposed to be coming out publicly.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think it is. We'll see what happens.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: I've been saying that I'm like Charlie Brown with Lucy
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: in the football. You know, when she pulls the football
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: away every time he thinks he's going to get to
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: kick it and he goes falling on his ass.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: That's how it feels. You haven't read Whitney Webb's books,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: have you? No. You really should.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of her stuff online, though.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: So the thing about her stuff online is that she
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: comes off as way more unhinged. And she's very smart.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: She's very smart. She's on it. But she's now very concerned,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: rightly so, about the sort of technocratic nature of what
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: might be to come. But her research on Jeffrey Epstein
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: is looking backwards at the history of organized crime, the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: history of Epstein. And it paints a very like we
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: know very well who he worked for and we know
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: who he was associated with. She has primary sources with
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: pages of sources cited about who put him where, who
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: he interacted with, who said what about him, who claimed
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: what about his life. And it's like it's two full
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: books and it's very well sourced with primary sources cited
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: all the way throughout. And so it's like we don't
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: actually really need the Epstein files to know what was
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: going on. they'll hopefully include a lot of new details.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: But don't we need it for rock-solid proof?
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Sort of.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Don't we need the flight logs?
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: So take Leslie Wexner that we were talking about earlier. No,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: we already have the flight logs. Do we have all
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: of them? Unredacted.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: All of them? Well, theoretically. The ones we know of.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: And do we have flight logs with destinations?
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we know who went to the island. Oh, yeah.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: They're all there, and you can read them online. They're
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: on archive.org as well as other places. But Leslie Wexner
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: is a great example here. Um, Leslie Wexner owns Victoria's
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Secret and L Brands, right? He's the bank that bankrolled
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. And I was saying earlier that he signed
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: the power of attorney over to Jeffrey Epstein so that
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was able to sell his assets, manage his assets,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: buy on his behalf.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: He could sell.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Sell Victoria's Secret without Leslie Wexner in the room or
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: even his knowledge if he wanted to, because that's the
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: level of power of attorney that he signed over to
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein when he was his money manager. And the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: reason why you do that is so that you can
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: claim that you don't know about his operation. He was
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: just my money manager. I didn't know he was running
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: this thing because I wasn't involved in any of those transactions.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: But what that meant is that Leslie Wexner damn well knew.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: We could go into the mega group and we could
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: go into his connections to Charles Bronfman, all these other things.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: But I was saying about the Victoria's Secrets, if you're
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: a pedophile, you want to work with kids. If you're
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: a freak.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: What do you do?
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: You get in the underwear business.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: That's how they were recruiting, is they were recruiting from
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: the Victoria's Secret modeling, and Jeffrey Epstein was claiming that
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: he was a rep. But do you know about the
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: CEO of Abercrombie & Fitch that went down for running
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: a sex trafficking ring? Yeah. So he was Leslie Wexner's guy.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: When Leslie Wexner, he bought Abercrombie & Fitch in like 1990,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: maybe 91, 89. And then one of the first things
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: he did was he put that dude into position as CEO.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: That was Leslie Wexner's dude. And he becomes the CEO
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and he's gay and he likes really hot young male models.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: And he started running a male sex trafficking ring out
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: of Abercrombie and Fitch. So Leslie Wexner, this dude who
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: is a self-proclaimed possessed by a demon.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Whitney has a whole chapter where she goes
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: into this article that was done by a mainstream news
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: source like 10, 20 years ago where they're interviewing Leslie
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Wexner and asking him about how he came to power
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and what's his secret. It's called his D book, D-Y-B-U-K.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: And you can read about this on Wikipedia as well
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and He describes in his own words that he's possessed
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: by a debuk, which is like a Yiddish word for
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: an evil demon that drives him for more and more
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: and more and more. It's in his own words.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Is this, is he being hyperbolic?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: A little bit. Is he joking around?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, I'm possessed by a demon that just wants
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: more and more. I just want to be successful.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I wasn't in the room, but I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: assume based upon the wording and how it's put, I
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: assume it's like- Let's find it. We'll find it.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: I want to read that.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: It's like a billionaire- I mean, it's in the text.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: It's directly quoted in the text in One Nation Under Blackmail, actually,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: which is in that backpack.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: One Nation Under Blackmail?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb. Highly recommend, but
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: it's super dense. It's a hard read. I've read it
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: three times now, and I still am taking notes and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: trying to look things up to understand it because she's
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: just so researched. And it's things like this, where she's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: gone back to the original article where they were interviewing him,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: and he's just like a CEO. So they're just asking him,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: what's your secret to success? And he's like, I'm possessed by,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I have a drive for more. And he chose the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: word d-book, which is a Yiddish word.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: So this is from a New York Magazine interview.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: That's exactly the source.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: It says, and now perhaps it's time to reintroduce Leslie
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Wexner's D book. The demon that always wakes up in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: the morning with Wexner and tweaks and pulls at him.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: When he was a boy, his father called it tumble,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: a churning. So he feels molten and unformed, pricked by
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: the spiritual pins and needles. He met this demon again
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: when he was 40 and already worth half a billion.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: When he climbed the mountain in front of the house
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: in Vail and almost froze to death and decided to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: change his life. This demon he calls Terminal Schwilkies, which
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: makes him wander from house to house, repeating the pattern
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: of his childhood. On a luxurious scale, wanting more, swallowing
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: companies larger than his own, is precisely the reason that
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Wexner has a billion and doesn't stop at, say, five
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: million and a new Mercedes every other year, and what
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: he calls normal life. Bridge on Wednesdays and Bar Mif
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: is on Saturdays and the winding hollow country club in Columbus,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: which is like Buckingham Palace to him when he was 15.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's just to point out that like, A,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: he's a fucking weird dude. He's a sketchy dude. He's
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: running two sex trafficking rings out of his companies that
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know anything about. And simultaneously, he founded, I mean,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: the Wexner Foundations and the Leslie Wexner Heritage Foundation. Those
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: are also very interesting and controversial. They're very tied to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Israel because he is one of the foremost Israeli philanthropists,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: despite being an American. But he founded what was called
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: the MEGA Group. which is a essentially a, I mean,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: it was not disclosed for a long time. It was secret.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: And it is a group of Jewish billionaires that get
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: together on behalf of global Judaism, which is not uncommon.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with that if they're not committing crimes.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: But they would get together and meet. And it's people
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: like Leslie Wexner, Charles Bronfman. The list is, we could
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: look it up. And that group started, It is unclear
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: if we have proof that they were conducting espionage, but
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: all of them have ties to organized crime through various elements,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: like the Bronfman's were rum runners, as one example, that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: were then involved in the mob. Leslie Wexner's involved in
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: these trafficking rings, et cetera. And that group seems to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: have been directly associated with Jeffrey Epstein. And she's, again,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: she's one that she shows all the primary sources and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: lays it all out. This is what we know. And
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: this is where the source came from. And this is
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: what it said. And these are possible explanations for it.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Here's one or two or three explanations of what it
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: might be. But we don't really know because this is
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: as far as the evidence goes. And so Leslie Wexner
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: is just one where there's all this swirling evidence all
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: around him that the in order for him to not
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: be aware of what's going on and to not have
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: been an active part of this is damn near unbelievable
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: in my eyes. Allegedly.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: That's well covered.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: You did a good job of covering your bases there. Yeah. Yeah. Which,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I've learned to do. Because, I mean, I
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: started on TikTok where you can't even say certain words
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: or you'll get taken off of TikTok.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Which is also fascinating.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: But, like, so the files getting released, I am not
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: expecting them to come out in any complete form because
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the mainstream understanding is that Jeffrey Epstein was the guy.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was just an employee of these organized crime
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: rings that work on behalf of like the CIA and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Israeli Mossad and British intelligence and the whole, because organized
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: crime is the black markets, the dark things, the sex,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: the drugs, the rock and roll, the child trafficking. And
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: intelligence agencies were designed to be legitimate government's point of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: access to organized crime. I mean, theoretically, intelligence agencies were
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: supposed to be Truman wanted the intelligence agencies to be
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: a newspaper about what's going on in the world for
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: the president to know, right? But Alan Dulles was not
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: about that. Alan Dulles, founder of the CIA, was like,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I want to do covert operations. And very immediately, covert
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: operations were like overthrowing the government of Guatemala, Iran, buying
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: the elections in Italy. They bought the elections in Italy
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: by just passing giant bags of cash to the mafia
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: so they would just go buy the election right after
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: World War II because they needed to not let Italy
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: fall to the communists. It's where the Vatican is. So
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the CIA, though Truman okayed it, hoping that it would
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: be a newspaper, the CIA has been covert operations from
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: the start. And covert operations is all about public-private partnerships
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: so that you can't have it traced back to you, right?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Because if you get caught doing MKUltra shit, the government's fucked, right? Right.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: And so what they want to do is they want
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: to outsource MKUltra shit or child trafficking shit or drug
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: running shit to that shell company that's hiring that guy
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: that works at that organized crime, right?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: The same way USA does it with NGOs.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Bingo. And that is all. So that's what the deep
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: state is. The deep state is the conglomerate of organized
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: crime and intelligence agencies that work in the shadows as
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: well as the halls of power. But they're not supposed
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: to exist. We're not supposed to know about them. But
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: they've always existed because before we even founded the CIA
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: during World War II, there was this bombing of the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: ship in a port on the eastern seaboard. The USS
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Liberty is confusing my memory right now. Nothing. It was
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: called Operation Underworld is what there's a Wikipedia page about
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Operation Underworld and there's a whole bunch more about it
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: as the ship blows up in Harbor and they were
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: building this big new ship would have been in the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: early 40s I believe it was during World War two
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: with like inside of World War two and the ship
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: was blown up here and Yeah, and what and it's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: not clear if it was German U-boats there are reports
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: that later Meyer Lansky and the mob took credit for
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: it like low-key and But we don't really know for
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: sure who blew it up. But when it blew up,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: the U.S. government got really worried that they had no
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: way to secure the ports along the eastern seaboard because
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: all the ports were run by the mob. Because the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: mob ran all the unions, right? And so they, rather
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: than trying to wrestle the ports, control the ports back
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: from the mob, they just went to the mob and said,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: we'll partner with you. If you guys lock down the ports,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: we'll let you kind of do your thing. And that's
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: kind of what Operation Underworld is all about.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: And so what they did during World War II is
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: they literally gave control over the entire eastern seaboard. I mean,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I'm being facetious, but they gave control over all the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: ports on the eastern seaboard to the goddamn drug smugglers,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: like to the mob, which their favorite thing is to
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: smuggle things. Drugs, weapons, guns, duh, whatever. I don't know.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: And so before the CIA was even founded, the OSS,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: the intelligence agency during the wartime, was already partnering with
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: organized crime. And the people that founded those intelligence agencies,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: like Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles, they were corporate lawyers.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: And that's, can I just keep going on this? Because
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: this is like, this is the thing that blew my mind, right?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Is I was trying to research GameStop and shit. And
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: then I started to realize that there's this whole monstrosity
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: that is an official part of our government, these intelligence agencies,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: that when you really learn their history and read about
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: their official history, let alone their history that sort of
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: is still secret, it is very clear that they've been
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: off the rails right from the start. And that's true
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: inside of every, like whether you're reading Legacy of Ashes
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: and The Devil's Chessboard, very well researched official books about
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: this shit, or if you're doing internet research. And the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: reason why you'd start an intelligence agency using a corporate
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: lawyer instead of like a doctor or a military guy
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: or something is because a corporate lawyer is already familiar
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: with all of the big CEOs of all the big corporations, right?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Alan Dulles worked at Sullivan and Cromwell as a lawyer.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: And so he was very familiar with IG Farben producing
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Zyklon B for the Nazis. He was familiar with Standard Oil.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: He was familiar with shipping companies and fruit companies and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: all these companies all around the world. And he's got
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: good connections with them all. And so you suddenly, you
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: hire one guy, Alan Dulles, And you have just hired
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: an entire network of multinational corporations, theoretically, to work on
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: behalf of the U.S. But when you read the histories
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: and you read what Alan Dulles was saying behind closed
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: doors and everything, what he was doing is he was
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: hiring the U.S. government in order to fund a corporate
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: slush fund for corporations to utilize this power, this newly
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: government bestowed power, to essentially wage violence that is sanctioned. Because,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying? Because all those corporations, the
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: perfect example is Guatemala. United Fruit Company had bought up
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: all this land in Guatemala and was growing bananas like crazy.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: And a lot of the land was just sitting vacant.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: And Jacobo Arbenz comes into power, and he's like, this
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: is bullshit. There's this American corporation that's owning all of
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: our land, that's making all of us poor, and they're
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: not even using a bunch of this land. So what
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do is I'm going to buy back
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: the land. He didn't take it. He bought it back
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: from the United Fruit Company, and he was going to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: distribute it for free to all the farmers that were destitute,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: which is like... socialist kind of, but it's also pretty
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: badass to use like your government money to buy all
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: your farmer's land from this multinational corporation. But that pissed
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: United Fruit off. And this is right as the CIA
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: was getting founded. And United Fruit was a client of
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Sullivan and Cromwell. And Alan Dulles was a lawyer there, right?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: So United Fruit goes to Alan Dulles. His brother, John
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Foster Dulles, was the Secretary of State. Yeah, Secretary of State.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: So these two brothers that are both lawyers for Sullivan
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: and Cromwell are the director, well, Technically, Alan Dulles was
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: not yet the director of CIA, but he was like
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: the founder. He just had a beef with Truman and
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: with the first couple leaderships of the president there. And
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: so United Fruit goes to them and is like, hey,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: can we overthrow this piece of shit? Because he's fucking
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: with our business, right? So this is like how corporations
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: wanted this government sanctioned power. And they, through those two brothers,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: lobbied the United States, propagandized the United States. They hired
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: propaganda artists to propagandize them. And they painted him as
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: a communist right at our doorstep. And then the CIA
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: went in and through a series of kind of somewhat
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: botched attempts called PB Success and PB– or rather Operation
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Success and Operation PB Success, they overthrew the government of Guatemala.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: And they ousted him. They bombed Guatemala City. And they
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: got rid of him and they put in their own
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: dictator that started like 30 years of absolute devastation and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: like military rule and just death– like really dark shit
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: that basically– poor Guatemala apart on behalf of United Fruit.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: They did the same thing in Iran like three years
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: later with Kermit Roosevelt, where it became this thing where
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: these multinational corporations that are affiliated with this intelligence agency,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: just kind of through friendships and through partnerships and through
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: the network, they started to utilize Alan Dulles and the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: CIA in general on their behalf to do things for
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: the corporate interest because they are the power players in
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: this world. They always have been the power players in
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: this world. And they had been itching for quite some
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: time To get that government sanctioned ability to wage violence
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: against anyone around the world. And we've been doing that
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: ever since using the intelligence agencies on behalf of the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: corporate blob, which is not always distinguishable from organized crime.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: And just going off and whacking people and overthrowing governments
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: and starting coups like right to this day to like
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Ukraine 2014.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: And they can do it without being directly connected. Exactly.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. The concept of plausible deniability. That's the whole point.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Is you want to set it up in a series
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: of shells and the darker it is, the more you
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: have to kind of separate it so that when Jeffrey
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Epstein goes down, no one knows who he worked for.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: He worked for intelligence and I was told to leave
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: him alone. And so you're left to speculate who he
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: worked for. And that's why we're, we are left to
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: rely on sources like Whitney Webb, who's done sort of
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: the definitive dig because they won't fucking tell us because
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: a bunch of them are blackmailed.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: And it's all, it's like, it's not like it's literally
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: a cabal of shadowy dudes around one table. It is
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: just an alignment of many different interests, different families, different corporations,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: different bankers, or organized crime groups, all sort of playing
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: games for power. And these guys have that much power
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: and those guys have that much power and interests tend
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: to align. Like the general vibe in the corporations will
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: probably align with the vibe of the bankers and their
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: vibe will probably align a fair bit with some of
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: this organized crime stuff. And We'll fund this terrorist organization, Mujahideen,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: until it's not convenient anymore. And then we'll actually use
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: them as a patsy to go to war because there's
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: terrorists over there, goddammit. Right? And they've gotten quite good
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: at kind of weaving those narratives through their operations that
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: they've either covered up or exposed what they wanted to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: in various ways to kind of steer our narrative around
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: what we know. But when you actually read the history,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: it's like, holy shit. It's crazy. How much?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Did you ever read Smedley Butler's War is a Racket? Oh, yeah, dude.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: So that was 33. So in 33, it was still
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: going on like that. And he was waking up to
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: it as he was leaving his military career. Do you
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: know about the business plot?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: About what they tried to do with him? No. Oh, yes,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 2: The Nazi coup?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wanted to take over the country. No, he
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: saved the country from it.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Right, but not that he wanted to. All the industrialists
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: wanted to. They wanted him to be a part.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Of taking over the country. Yeah, there was almost a
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Nazi coup. in the thirties where we almost got taken
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: over by our own military and became Nazis because Prescott
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Bush and a bunch of his other buddies were on
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: team Nazi. And it's because they were all funding the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Nazis and they wanted to, they like, they wanted us
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: on that team.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: And they tried to recruit Smedley Butler to be the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: lead of this.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Yup.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: And take over the country.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I suspect, I'm sort of form, I'm always kind of
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: form understanding research by research, but I suspect that it
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: was world war one where they realized how much power
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: like it, you can have if you're funding both sides
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: of a war.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: Look at this quote. I spent 33 years in active
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: military service. And during that period, I spent most of
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: my time as a high class muscle man for big
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: business for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. Smedley Butler, 1935.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: He was one of the most decorated.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Marines or was he in the army of all time? General?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Un-fucking-believable.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: War is a Racket is a relatively short book that
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: anyone can buy online, and I highly recommend it to everyone.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: That paired with... But that's so wild that that was 33.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: And it's still going on to this day.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: And the general public hasn't even had a whisper of this. Like,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: the average normie, probably four years ago, five years ago.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Like, when did this start making it into the zeitgeist?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Obviously in films.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: I think when Elon bought Twitter. And it's still not
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: making it into the mainstream, mainstream zeitgeist. But there's, I mean,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: and you've played a big part in this too, this
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: whole decentralized media space. As technology naturally walks forward, I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: think that we're living in this world where this, all
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: these rich people, all these evil controlling sickos of varying degrees,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: they come from a world where they could control everything.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: They could control the newspapers. They could buy out the press.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: They could pay for journalists. And that strategy is, walked
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: itself into technology. And suddenly technology is just naturally walking forwards.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: And this just changes the game. Like you can't use
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: those old strategies when you have a phone and internet
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: and social media. And we're watching the cognitive sort of
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: breakdown of their old ways that they don't know how
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: to adapt. And it's just scheme after scheme after scheme
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: is crumbling. And the secret is just free speech. That's
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: all you need is free speech and communication on the internet.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: And doge.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, doge is how you actually go after it.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: But you need someone who's pretty balls out.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: You need a guy like Elon that has.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I was glad that Elon said the stuff about assassination
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: on the podcast the other day because that needs to
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: be said is that they are taking great risk. Even
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Pam and Cash, all of them, are taking great risk
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: to do this. And it would not be the first
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: time that someone's spouse had been whacked or someone's kids
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: had been threatened or they'd you know, created a scandal. Like,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: do you know about the scandal of the Chappaquiddick Bridge with... Chappaquiddick. Chappaquiddick.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: With Ted Kennedy, it was, right? Yeah. That is such
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: a great illustration of how, like, it might not even
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: be you that they go after. It might be just...
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: There's all sorts of ways that if you do the
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: wrong thing, allegedly, they might come after people around you.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: And so people like Cash and Pam and RFK are
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: taking on a lot of risk. And that's also why
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I think that the Like, my following is real conspiratorial, usually. Like,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: I'm moderate compared to most of my people. And there's
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of suspicion of these guys right now of, like,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: they must already be controlled if they can even.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Get in there.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know if I buy that.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that because I used to think, well, listen,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: I think there's definitely some manipulation of voting.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: I'll say that.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. That's the Holy Grail you can't say, dude.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I say it. I say it because I think.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: And then you have the government getting it removed. Twitter complying.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: You can't even post a link for the fucking New
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: York Post. The second oldest newspaper in the country Legitimate.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Newspaper When the FBI had the laptop already.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: So that In the time of an election Is election
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: interference So that is manipulation of voting.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Until Trump came in That was the only election interference
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: That I was willing to talk about Because it was very.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Provable Another obvious portal which is California and New York,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: won't even allow you to show your ID when you vote.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: There's only one reason why you would do that, because
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: you want people voting that shouldn't be voting, and you
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: want it to count because you want to win. Yep.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: And more and more we're seeing that they are literally
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: importing voters and paying them with government money. Yes. With, like,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: huge amounts of money when we have homeless veterans on
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: the street. We have funds. Over 300,000 children are missing
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: that have crossed our border that we have delivered to
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: unknown sponsors.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I think... The Trump administration very quickly, within the
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: first couple weeks, found 90,000 of them. I don't know
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: what the number is now.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. Yeah.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: See if you can find that. I would love to
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: see that. Well, they started looking. I know, right? The
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: first administration was like, I don't know where it is.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, let's close the border.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Well, we can't close the border. That's wrong.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The whole thing was- They literally locked up the-
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: You know the guys that built the border wall? Steve
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Bannon and- It was Steve Bannon and Dustin Stockton and
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: I think one or two other people when they wouldn't
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: build it. These guys just went out and raised millions
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: of dollars on their own. And they literally just started
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: building border wall. Do you know about that?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: I had heard something along those lines.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't know about that either. And then I now
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: do a podcast every couple of weeks with Dustin Stockton,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: who's a whole trip of a guy. And he started
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: telling me the story of like, what are you saying?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: I had no idea that they had literally just started
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: building it from a private citizen standpoint. Until they arrested them.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Did you know that also before the election, all the
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: border materials were for sale?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: They sold the border materials.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Yep. I mean, they were just trying to get everything
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: out as fast as they could. They were deleting files
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: and just giving out aid money and announcing more and
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: more foreign war aid to Ukraine and Israel and everything.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: They said it was like throwing gold off the Titanic.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, dude. Yeah.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: And I am... Really excited for everything that's going to
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: come out. But I'm also... Before we go any further...
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I'm reading into the kids.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: It's definitely a political thing.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, the children are actually missing BBC. Go fuck yourself.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: Well, this says that they had them.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: I guess in records. And then when they sent court
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: notices out, they just don't come to their court date.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: So they consider them missing.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Okay. That can make sense. But I think the, the
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: Trump administration accounted for quite a few of that part.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: That's what they're saying.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: You're not going to find them on BBC.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just, all right. That's yeah.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: The, so I, so don't, no, don't, no, don't put
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: that Trump administration finds missing kids. Try that.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because, uh, I work with this guy named Ryan
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Mata who spent three years of his life going to
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: the border with his own dollars and filming documentaries about
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: this and interviewing the people that, like, rescue trafficked children
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: and actually interviewing whistleblowers from within the Biden regime's trafficking scheme. Like,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: the people that were dropping kids off with sponsors and stuff.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Bottom one, Sean fucked.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Sean fuched.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: Listen to what it says there. The Trump administration is
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: allegedly located between 75,000, 80,000 of the 300,000 missing migrant children,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: according to Harris Faulkner of Fox News.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: This is without a link to a source. Okay, but
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: just Google Harris. I understand.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: But Google Harris Faulkner of Fox News.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: I would love for that to happen. Harris Faulkner. I mean,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: I suspect that every single, like, there's every incentive for
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Trump to find them and to do something about it.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: But I think the vast majority of them are dead, unfortunately.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: So that's a Facebook link.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: And this is the thing is that there are certain
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: topics that are so disinformationalized and so sensationalized that when
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: you start to research into them, you realize you're inside
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: of this media madness that it's so hard to find
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: the truth. And COVID was one of those. And J6
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: was one of those. The elections was one of those.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: And when you find that, it becomes, for me, it
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: sets a bell off. It's A, I'm in something I
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: should learn about, but B, I have to be very careful.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, and you never know what you
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: can trust in those spaces. And so that's where I
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: change my switches for what to believe. And I kind
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: of open up the bandwidth in terms of take it
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: all in, but be very skeptical because that's where you
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: get wild conspiracy theories that are unproven and trust me's.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: And then you also get all kinds of propaganda trying
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: to obfuscate the narrative.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big factor that people need to be
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: aware of is purposeful misinformation that gets inserted into a
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: narrative to make that narrative ridiculous.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: And there's whole conspiracy theories that I think are like that.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: And Q might be one of them. I don't know.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: I think Flat Earth is one of them.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I think Flat Earth was someone did that as
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: a goof. And then they couldn't believe how much it took.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: But if you can speak well and you're articulate and
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: you have compelling things that you're saying and there's no counter,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: there's no scientist going, stop, stop, stop. We can show
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: you in fucking 10 minutes that the earth is round.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Everything in the sky is round. The earth is the
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: only thing that's not round. You know, the weirdness of
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: it is how much people want to believe that everything's bullshit.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: And so you could trick a certain number of people.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get why.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Like, think about how, like, right. So 10 years ago,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Alex Jones was saying that the whole government's controlled by pedophiles.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: And he was a psychopath. Or I guess more than
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: 10 years ago now. And then Jeffrey Epstein got caught.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Dude, I talked to people about it back then.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: And they thought it was the funniest thing ever.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because Alex Jones was like, yeah, I'm.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Telling you, there's a fucking island. They take him to
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: an island.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: They get them fucked up on drugs.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: There's more than one island, too. There's been a few islands.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think that's the only place they do that?
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: There's probably some super secret place in China that they
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: all go to.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I mean, they're all over Mexico. They're all over, like... Oh, Jesus. Yeah,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: imagine what is in Mexico. The government of Mexico has
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: been partnered with the cartels for at least two administrations,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: is what it looks like. And the cartels are just, like,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: running that whole game, that whole sort of northwestern, like,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: quarter of Mexico. I can only imagine what we'll find
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: down there.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Really hilarious.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Is the blue and on Twitter people.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: The kooky ones who are like, yeah, you're going to
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: go after the cartel. Good luck.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good luck.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: The greatest military force the world has ever known versus
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: drug runners.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Are you out of your fucking mind? The cartels are
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: highly militarized.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: And they're extremely advanced. But sure. No, they're not going
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: to compete with us. No, no, no.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: I had my friend Evan Hafer on here from Black
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Rifle Coffee. And he was talking about, like, do you
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: understand the kind of, like, these are very capable people.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: No doubt. Do you understand the kind of ultra violence
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: that they will experience if they let these, you know,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: fucking SEAL team guys go after the cartel people?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Because those are proud Americans that have been itching to
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: defend our nation. Like they have been itching for the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: ability to actually do something meaningful.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: And that's also the place where, look, Afghanistan doesn't make sense.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was an opium operation.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Right. Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: That too.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: We can get to that. Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: But. It doesn't make sense that we would send troops
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: over there. It makes sense that we would send troops
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: after the cartels. If you think about the amount of
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: death that occurs in the United States because fentanyl overdoses,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: where you have tainted drugs that are coming in across
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: the border and killing people left at unprecedented levels.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Children, like taking kids from families. My whole generation was
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: devastated by it. My whole generation.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Everyone today knows someone who died of an overdose. Everyone does.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: That was very uncommon when I was in high school.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: And the problem is that it was not just illegal
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: fentanyl and illegal heroin. The problem is that the Sackler
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: family and the pharmaceutical industry was in on it. And
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: so doctors were prescribing it to normal people. And it
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: was just devastating our whole population all at once. It's
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: so tragic.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: That painkiller documentary on Netflix is fucking fat. Or the
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: docudrama series.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: And so the administration now in Mexico, Claudia Scheinbaum, She
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: is like the protege of AMLO, who was the leader
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: of that same party from before. And I think he
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: served two terms. It's like, so it's been something like
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: the last six to eight years or something. Their official
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: cartel policy is hugs, not bullets. And what they basically
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: describe is we're causing more death by going after the cartel.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: And we'll just agree to not touch them. We'll just
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: agree to leave them alone. And I'm kind of exaggerating again,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: but like that hugs, not bullets is their official slogan
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: for their policy about the cartels. So it makes sense
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: for us to fucking do something. It's like, we'll do
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: the bullets. You can keep your hugs. Thank you very much.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: I wonder what's going to happen with that because they
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: did declare them a terrorist organization.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was worried. I kind of came out
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: a little hot and I posted on Twitter that was like,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: no fucking drone strikes inside of the U.S. No, sir. No,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: you're not. Because the way that the sort of announcement
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: was worded of like, we're declaring cartel members, terrorist organizations,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: and we will be tart and drone strikes are like
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: totally a-okay on that. is what someone was saying about it.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: And I was like, where's the line on allowing the
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: targeting of cartel? Because once you start targeting terrorists, that's
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: why 9-11 was so subversive, is it turned everyone into
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: a possible enemy of the state that can be shipped
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: off to Guantanamo because terrorism is just this elusive concept.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: And anyone can just become a terrorist if we just
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: call them a terrorist. Propaganda can be better.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Send them to Guantanamo Bay for a decade for something
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: they didn't do. Right.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: And you brought up the Hunter Biden laptop and those
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: 51 intelligence agents. I wanted to look into it. So
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I looked at the letter itself and I actually read
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: the letter. And on the letter at the bottom, they
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: all signed it. And if you just start Googling the
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: people that signed it, the very first two names were
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: ex-directors of the CIA that lied to us about Guantanamo Bay.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: and lied to us about surveilling American citizens and lied
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: on the stand. And so they're professional liars that are
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: from the intel agencies that are saying, oh no, no, no,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: like Hunter Biden is all good, above board. It's like,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: why would we ever trust that? But that's how powerful
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: spin is when every media article parrots that, no, it
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't made in a lab. There's no evidence it was
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: made in a lab. That couldn't be true. Yeah. Everyone
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: just believes it because we want to believe that that's
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: how the world is.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: We used to. Don't you think that over the last
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: four years, COVID was probably the biggest wake-up call ever
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: for people?
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was my wake-up call. I was a
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: leftist that didn't think about shit before COVID.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Me too. No, you thought about shit. You just didn't
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: think about that shit. No, I thought about shit, but
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: I was pretty much a leftist.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, this is fake. Yep.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: And to be fair, I think we're kind of both
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: still sort of leftist. What left should be socially progressive.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: We need, because politics is supposed to be a balance.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: We need regulation of corporations. That's a leftist ideology, but
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: we need individual liberty and we're supposed to have a
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: balance of the two. And when you, and I think
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: my theory is that it used to be easier to
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: control the right because it was a big money party
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: and you could go to war with them and you
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: could lead us around by the right. But as technology
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: came in, They realized it was way easier to spin
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: narratives to the collectivists. And if you can get all
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: the collectivists, the leftists, to go along with the narrative,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: that's way more effective than these individual liberty people with
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: the guns.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Well, also, you're controlling all the universities if you have
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: the leftists. as it then leaves the universities and enters
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: into the workforce.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: The most ignorant people ready to be programmed coming in.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's always how communist revolutions have been programmed.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Well, we were talking about this with Jordan Peterson, where
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: people were saying, what is the big deal? This is
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: like 2015, 2016, when Jordan Peterson first, and when Brett
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Weinstein first started emerging. And before that, I was talking
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: about these crazy things that were going on in universities
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: and people were like, why are you paying attention to
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: these fringe things that kids are doing. I'm like, they're
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: going to graduate. These are the people. These aren't the
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: people who 30 years ago were studying in school, trying
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: to figure out what career to get into and job.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: They want to change the world with activism now. Everyone
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: wants to be an activist in every job you take.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: Everything you take is supposed to enact social justice. That
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: is supposed to be your, and then you're given this
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: as like your social credit system when you're in the
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: universities and then you leave. Like, I still want to
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: be the good person. I still want to be the
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: person that everybody applauds. I will do the right thing.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: I will say the right things. And then you get
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: DEI in the workforce. Like, oh great, it's all here now.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: We're all together.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: And in a world with no meaning where like life
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: is meaningless for 99% of the population, you give the
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: meaning and they will cling to that.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: You're on a good team now. You're on a team.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: You're on a team.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: And I understand it. Cause I, I come from that.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: I come from one of the most liberal cities in
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: this fucking country. Yeah. And, but then I'm like, COVID's happening.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: And I was taking it really seriously. Like my last
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Facebook post was like all young people, we should lock
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: down and take this really fucking seriously. And then my,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: all my roommates were like, Hey, let's go down to
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Seattle and do the BLM protests. And I'm like, Whoa, like,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: you're a mask Nazi. You're like on me about my
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: masking and you're trying to go burn down Seattle in
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: a group of like a hundred thousand people.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: And so they all went down to Seattle and I'm
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: back at home. And I mean, I still love them
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: to death. Like if they watch this, like no shade
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: to them, like, but I'm at home watching the live
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: streams of the BLM protests. And I'm like, where'd that
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: pallet of bricks come from?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: And that got me thinking.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Where'd that pallet of bricks come from over and over
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: and over again? And there's all these explanations.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Well, there was a construction site. Oh, yeah.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something about construction sites. Bricks are
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: fucking expensive. They don't leave bricks laying around like that
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: because people would steal them and take them to their
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: construction sites. That shit happens all the time. If you
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: leave copper piping on a construction site overnight, people just
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: steal that shit.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Especially downtown where there's meth heads everywhere. Yes.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Why you got a basket of fucking bricks?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: No. And so then the thing is, I start asking
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: a question. I ask one question in that leftist environment
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: and it's just like, don't ask questions. It's like, I'm
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: fucking out of here.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Well, Chase Hughes was talking about that when he was
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: talking about COVID. Like, what are the ways you can
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: clearly see that something is a psyop? First, you're not
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: allowed to question anything.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: Yep. hundred percent and questions are met with like obey
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: the herd like you're and they demonize you and they
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: don't ever attack the argument they don't ever engage with
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: the arguments no and that's what i love about the
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: job that i've fallen into as a sort of like
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: researcher is that i have no problem with being wrong
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: my favorite moments in my career so far have been
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: when someone's proved me wrong and i've been like oh
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: shit thanks bro i didn't know that i'm gonna research
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: that and look it up because I mean, some people
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: can get trapped in their ego and need to stay
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: on some hill and die there.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: But like that's retarded. You don't need to do that.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: It's a progress for intelligence, for like learning. That's what
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: the Academy of Ideas was built on. Right.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: And so having this culture of censorship and of herd mentality,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: especially in the universities, is the most toxic thing to
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: our national future you could ever imagine.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a perfect thing that a foreign company or
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: a foreign government would do to the United States in
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: order to ruin us. And this is what Yuri Bezmenov
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: talked about in the 1980s. Bingo.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: That's such a formative speech to watch.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: That speech is crazy.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Everyone should watch that speech.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: And it's ironically in 1984 that he's saying this.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, these tactics are old. And I more
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: and more started to look at like we change from
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: kinetic warfare at the atom bomb. to like psyop and
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: subversive and information warfare. And we were still doing kinetic warfare,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: but it was all these little proxy wars that were
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: based on propaganda and like in order to spin narratives
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: in order to get support and more and more as
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: technology has evolved. One of my kind of sticks is
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: that this, the warfare is information warfare now, because what
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: they need to do is they need to convince everyone
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: that COVID is real and that you need to lock
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: down and you need to wear your mask and you
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: can take the vaccine so we can profit. And all
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: of that is information. Yeah. And that changes it from
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: soldiers fighting soldiers to to government agencies or rather NGOs
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: and all these conglomerates of money groups, essentially targeting all
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: of us. And we become the targets of that warfare.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: And so it's on us to get educated and to learn.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: What's fun though is when they try to spin a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: narrative to try to cover up their tracks and it
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: just winds up exposing more people to what's actually going on.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite ones was when Geraldo Rivera was
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: in Afghanistan going through the poppy fields with the United
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: States military guarding the poppy fields. I don't think I've
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: seen this.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: You've never seen this? I know what you're talking about,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: but I don't think I've seen it.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's amazing because he's in full propaganda gaslight mode.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: And he's explaining why it's important to protect these poppy fields.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: Because these farmers. This is their livelihood.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: We're protecting them from the Taliban.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: These poor farmers.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: We have to help these people.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Because the Taliban shut down the opium production. The Taliban
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: outlawed opium production and burned all the fields and got
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: rid of it all.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: So he's literally talking to this officer in front of
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: the poppy fields. You see these guys.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Guarding the poppy fields. U.S. military, right?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: Play this.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: Play this.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: We're going to head to Afghanistan this morning. Let's go.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: This morning, we're going to head to Afghanistan. The Taliban
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: is using it to intimidate the population.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Our next from Hamon province is Geraldo Rivera.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Good morning to you.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: Geraldo, tell us what you've seen.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: During your days there in Afghanistan. Hi, Alison, Dave, and Clayton.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, in some ways, the Marines' brilliantly executed invasion of Marjah,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: this town in the middle of Helmand Province, was.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: The easy part.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: The hard part now is governing this province, a province.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: As you suggest, that has become addicted to opium in.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Many, many ways.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: That is the principal crop that is being grown here.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: The Taliban lend the farmers the money. They are indebted
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: to the Taliban. They have to grow the opium. Now
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: the Marines, in their success, are in a sense a
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: victim of their success because now the population is, you know,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: they have these opium.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Fields, and we are tolerating it.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: We are tolerating the cultivation of the opium because we
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: know that if we were to destroy it now, the
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: population would turn against the Marines, and it would be
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: a real security risk.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: Let me introduce Lieutenant Colonel Brian Christmas.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: He's the commanding officer. I really can't make this up.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: It gets better.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: A wonderful group of Marines here.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: I know that you care deeply about this contradiction, the
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 6: fact that here you have one of the best fighting
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 6: forces in the world ever mounted. And in a sense,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: you're watching as this opium is being grown. I know
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: it grinds at your gut.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: How do you deal with it?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: What are you doing about it?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Well, frankly, this is a part of their culture. So
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: while it might grind in my gut, it's what they do.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: We provide them security. He was given very strict orders
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: that morning. They can give different crops. Grow tomatoes, guys. Yeah, right.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Hey, you can grow apples.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: My favorite statistic about that era is that... I'm going
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: to get the number wrong, but it... Opium is only
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: grown in so many places, right? And it used to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: be in the Vietnam region, in Southeast Asia, the Golden Triangle.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Then it changed to the Golden Crescent, which is Afghanistan. And...
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: When that era happened, it was something like 70%, 80%
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: of the world's opium supply was coming from Afghanistan. And
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: if you just do a little math and think it through,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: you realize that we have this gigantic opioid market of
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: legal opioids of the Sackler family and all these pharma companies.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: And you realize that it's physically impossible for them not
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: to be in on this scheme because where are they
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: growing their opium? They're not growing it here. They're not
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: growing it in, like, Africa. So, it, like, BIDA's opium
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: fields are big pharma.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: It coincides with the opioid crisis in America.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Direct one-to-one, dude.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: The pharmaceutical-grade prescribed opioid crisis in America as it goes up.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: And then you see at one point in time, Afghanistan
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: was responsible for 94% of the world's opium.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Bingo. There's the stat. While we are. are occupying.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Now it's Myanmar, which also just went through a military coup.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: Yep. I mean, they've always got to control. So opium
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: has been one of the most important crops to control
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: ever since the British Empire and like the days of
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: tall ships. You know about the opium wars with China? Yes.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: That was a funny history to learn about.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's the thing is that I've been basically
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: learning everything from scratch as I've gone because I didn't
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: know shit.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: I was just like going snowboarding.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: How many years have you been in this? Two, less
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: than two.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I was learning before that. You've done
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: so well.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: You must be a plant.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: I know, right?
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: You must be some sort of an operative.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: I'm a massage agent.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: You're just good at it. Just, you know, if you're
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: good at it, if you're Whitney Webb or if you're
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: you or.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: It's just a scientific process of having the right degree
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: of like understanding of just like the right amount of
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: like need to see primary sources and real evidence and
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: the ability to look and test a hypothesis and see
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: what comes out and not being attached to one conclusion.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Beyond what the evidence actually suggests.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: Also not being afraid to seem foolish to the uninformed.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Because so many people will dismiss most of what we've
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: talked about today. Yeah.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: Offhand. Yeah.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Without any, especially people that only consume the Wall Street
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: Journal and Mainstream media.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: But I had the benefit of being a normie when
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: I started. And so I walked my way in piece
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: by piece.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: So you know how they think.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: Like I started with all the BlackRock conspiracy theories. I
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: started with who owns the media? Who owns the tampon aisle?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Who owns all these things? And I would go into
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: the grocery stores and do the videos in the grocery
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: stores where I would like go to the cereal aisle
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: and be like, who owns all these cereals? And it
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: turns out the entire cereal aisle is three companies. And
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, the tampon aisle is even better because they're
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: all getting sued for having reprotoxic chemicals. in the tampons,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: meaning they'll kill your reproductive system.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: And not only that toxic shock syndrome, actually.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: And so that sort of, I like walked myself slowly
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: into learning and I walked my audience along with me.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: And I also developed this understanding of, I mean, I
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: used to be a teacher. And so I have this
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: under a certain understanding of like, how do you communicate
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: in a way that access that's speaking from their perspective
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: instead of from my perspective, which right now I'm just
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: talking to you instead of talking to them because it's
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: more fun.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: But, um, But when I actually make my videos, I
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: do my best to try to put myself in like
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: in the shoes of who I'm trying to access and
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: what do they know and what do I need to
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: communicate and show evidence of for them to understand that
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: like you can look into this and check my sources. Yeah.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: And you can think about this. You have permission to
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: think about this.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: You do a very good job of citing your sources
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: and telling people where to look if they want to
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: find out more information about it too because a lot
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: of it is a real big deep dive.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: And it's the most important part by far.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: It's like, unless you're you, unless you're a person who
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: does it for a living, like the amount of time
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: that it takes to find out about this stuff. And
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: then even you, who's been in for two years doing this,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: like there's, there's decades of layers you need to uncover
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: and it'll take forever. Like Whitney Webb's been doing it
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: for how long?
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even know.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: Alex Jones has been in the game for 30 plus years.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And there's still always more to learn and always
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: more to connect. And we get new information that puts
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: new light on old situations. It just re it's this
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: constant rearranging game of understanding and, I just love that.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, most people don't have time for all
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: of it, but as we're sort of stratifying into this
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: ecosystem of content of like creators and journalists and thinkers
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: that we're all kind of collectively doing the work together.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: And some of us are more integral than others. Some
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: of us are just click baiters and some of us
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: are like, I'm somewhere in the middle. And then you
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: get some people that are really professional about it. Like,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Problematically professional about it like they can only get so
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: much done.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Have you ever looked in the Oklahoma City bombing?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: No, not much actually not hardly at all But I
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: know it's one that's like that's one of those seminal moments.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: That's a good one first of all the amount of
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: damage to the building is not something that you would
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: get from a fertilizer bomb and the way a fertilizer
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: bomb would work in front of the building is That
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: building's blown out. Exactly. And the FBI was retrieving unblown
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: bombs from the building.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: Not only that, the whole Timothy McVeigh thing is fucking wild.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: When you go down the rabbit hole and start looking
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: into it, It seems like a false flag. It seems
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: or it seems like someone else planted bombs inside that
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: building and they blamed it on this fertilizer bomb.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: What would that false flag have taken us to? Like
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: what did it achieve?
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: They passed different gun laws and different laws afterwards.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean 9-11 is the perfect example of that
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: kind of false flag of this thing that's crazy that
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: has all these questions that get covered up. And then
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: we just go to war in the Middle East with
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: a country.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: That— Then we have the Patriot Act and the Patriot
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Act II. All the spying.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cover up all the missing money.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: All these things.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Incredible amounts of control and surveillance now gets used on
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: the population.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: Who do you think did 9-11? Or like what conglomerate
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: of groups do you think were involved?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Well, for sure the Saudis were involved, right?
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of the people were Saudi. A
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: lot of the people were Saudi. I don't know if
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: that necessarily means that the Saudi government had anything to
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: do with it.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: It could mean it was just people that were recruited
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: by another organization that were with the Saudis. What do
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: you think happened at Tower 7?
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good question.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: That's a weird one, right?
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: I think the Tower 7 had information in it about both.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: I think it probably had information in it about the
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: planning of the attack and or what was going on
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: with the attack. But I also think it had information
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: about other things that needed to go away. Maybe it's
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: old CIA operations. Maybe it's banking information.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's information about the trillions of dollars that was
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: missing that Donald Rumsfeld talked about the day before 9-11.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: So he gives a press conference in front of the Pentagon.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Was it the Pentagon? Is that where it was? I
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: don't know where the press conference was. I mean, I
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: think it was in a room, but I'm not sure.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: So he gives this press conference. This press conference, he
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: says there's trillions of dollars they can't account for. And
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: everybody's like, what the fuck? The very next day, 9-11 happens.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: And in one of the buildings where they store data,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: that building mysteriously implodes like a controlled demolition. Like no building.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Has ever collapsed ever.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: Just because of fire. I mean... And structural damage, for sure,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: but it's the way it collapses.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Even from planes hitting buildings, no building has ever collapsed
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: like that. Other planes have hit buildings. Bombs have gone
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: off in buildings. All sorts of stuff has happened to buildings,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: and they don't fall down like the main towers did,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: let alone Building 7. Right.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: It's all real weird. At the very least, if that
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: was my building, I'd be like, I'm suing. You guys
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: made a shit building.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, except that he took out special insurance against plane
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: crashes and against terrorism right before it.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: But you would take out insurance against terrorism because that
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: place had already been the victim of a bombing.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: It had been.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was in the Biggie song.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Blow up like the world trade. Classic move. Talking about Biggie,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Diddy is on the menu. But it's important to mention
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: as we're getting into all these like government conspiracy theories
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: and like CIA did it, Israel did it, Saudi did it.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: No one's saying ever, unless you're dumb, that the whole
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: government of any of these countries did it. Like when
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: you say like people, it's like in the anti-Israel crowd,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: people get smeared a lot for like, as though you're
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: claiming that all of Israel did 9-11 or all of
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Israel did this thing. Or when you're talking about the CIA,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: it's more obvious when you're talking about the CIA. We're
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: not saying that the whole CIA did something. Right. We're
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: saying that these groups, these covert intelligence agencies- They are
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: fertile ground for walled off areas of need to know
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: information behind levels of security clearances where plots can be hatched.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: And they always have been. That's the whole fucking point
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: of an intelligence agency is to hatch plots. Right. It's
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: unreal that they would hatch such an evil and fucked
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: up plot. Right. But it happened. And you only need
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, 9-11 happened when I was
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: in grade school. And I remember where I was and
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: all that shit. And that was the seed that just
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: sort of sat under the ground until BLM. That eventually
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: sprouted for me. I always knew there was something weird.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: And I saw Zeitgeist when I was way younger. So
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: I knew that there's weird shit in this world. But
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: I was a leftist that just wanted to go snowboarding
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So I didn't really think about it until
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: it walked into my city and told me to stay
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: inside and get a jab and all sorts of shit.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: So they really fucked up with that one.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: They really fucked up with that one. Well, I think
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: they thought they had us.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: They thought they did.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: All the people that are in power are operating on
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: a paradigm that existed before the internet.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: Do you know Mickey Willis at all?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Do you know the Plandemic films at all? No. Oh, dude,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: you should really check them out. Yeah, he's around this area.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: And I had not seen them before. Plandemic 1 was
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: this doctor named Judy Mikevitz that blew the whistle really
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: early on. And that is one of the things that
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: got all this, like the fact that you haven't heard
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: of it and seen it.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: No, I've heard of it.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: Exactly. I've heard of it.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: I just haven't seen it. But I was so balls
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: deep in the COVID thing that I didn't want to
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: see anything more because it was me. I was a
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: part of it.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: You were a part of that censorship.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: She got that same kind of treatment of like smear
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: campaigns left and right and just hatred. The smear campaign
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: against me, though, was so eye-opening. When you know that
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: something's not true that's being said on CNN over and
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: over and over again. About yourself.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: About yourself. And then they take your face and they
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: make you green.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: He's taking horse paste.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: It was so crazy to watch and to be a
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: part of that it was like, wow, I'll never trust again.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: Because now I know you guys are full of shit.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: And that was a big thing that red-pilled a lot
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: of regular people. Like myself included. And a good example
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: of my take on that is I didn't know about
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: ivermectin beforehand. So I didn't even just be like, oh,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan said it. I was like, fuck it. I'll
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: look it up. They said that it was an award-winning medication.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: I'll find the goddamn award that they got for it.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: So I looked it up and I found it. It's like, okay, cool.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, I said a bunch of stuff
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: I took. They only locked on to this horse paste thing.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Well, because ivermectin is a great threat to their profit.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: They can't make money off of it. And it works very,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: very well if you get it early enough.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: But imagine they ignored all the other stuff I took.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: I said I took IV vitamins. I took prednisone. I
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: took Z-Pak. I took monoclonal antibodies.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: I have a theory about that. And it's that they
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: can't get an emergency use authorization if there is a
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: drug that can be considered a cure, like a preventative.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: A treatment. A treatment, right?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: Just a treatment. And so they, right? And so they,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: and I mean, you've said this many times, right? Is
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: they needed to act all treatments because the one that
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: they went with was administered IV post, like in the hospital.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: And it was very, very expensive.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: Remdesivir is a whole super fucking dark rabbit hole.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: Causes kidney failure.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And they knew that full well. They had
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: already tested it out in Africa. And RFK's book, The
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: Real Anthony Fauci, opened my eyes in a big way.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: In mine as well.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he still has not been sued.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: No. I was very skeptical about him before I read
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: that book because they had done a great job of
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: connecting him to fringe conspiracies and making him look like
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: a kook. He's the one Kennedy that's out of his mind.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: And it had been long enough since he was not
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: a kook because he started doing the vaccine stuff for
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: these moms that were coming to him with vaccine injured kids.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: And he was not trying to do vaccine stuff, but
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: he saw these kids and was like, I need to
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: fight for these people.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: And he had been spending time talking about mercury poisoning
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: because he was an environmental attorney and he had successfully
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: sued all these corporations that were dumping into rivers. He
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: cleaned up the East River. I mean, he did so
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: much great work as an environmental attorney. that people forget
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: about because they did such a good job. And again,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: this is before social media and the internet. You could
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: do a great job of smearing someone and making them
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: look nuts. Remember Jenny McCarthy? They smeared the shit out
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: of Jenny McCarthy because she was suggesting that her child
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: changed after her child was vaccinated. And her child got autism.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Bingo.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: And this is when they were doing the multi-vaccines in
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: one day and dosing kids up. And they made her
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: look like a fucking idiot and they removed her from society. Hollywood.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: She essentially got blacklisted. That's the story, right? There are
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: certain narratives that are golden cows that you cannot touch.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: And the vaccine industry has always been one of them.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: The thing about that one is we all would agree.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: I would have agreed. If you got a hold of
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: me six years ago and asked me about vaccines, like
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: they're one of the most important inventions in history. And
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: then you read, have you ever read Dissolving Illusions?
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Read that book. The All of those diseases had dropped
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: off because of sanitation and nutrition. Yeah, I've seen the graphs. Yeah,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: they all had dropped off. And then the vaccines come along.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Measles included, speaking of the current thing that's a controversy.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: Which is an infection that everyone got when I was
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: a kid. And what happened was you'd get sick for
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: a few days and then you'd be immune for life.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they were making it look like everyone's dying
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: from measles. Like, no.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: If you're dying from measles, you're sick. You're already compromised,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: which is exactly what happened with COVID. Where 90 fucking
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: plus percent of the people who died had four plus comorbidities.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Which is why it was such a red pill for
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: me because I was like literally an ultra marathon runner
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: that was going to the gym like three hours a day.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I need natural immunity. I already have natural immunity.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Go fuck yourself. Like, what are you doing? And the
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: reason why I was talking about Mickey Wilson plandemic is
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: because the second plandemic is called indoctrination. And it's basically
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: a magnum opus about how the vaccine industry, this golden
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: cow is not just like, it's not just one thing
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: or this thing or one thing. It's a organized like
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: group of profit takers that has been growing for decades
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: and Bill Gates. And he like lays out how Bill
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: Gates got into it and is on camera saying how
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: many profits he's made off of vaccines and how great
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: of a business model vaccines are. And, and vaccines as
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: a concept are, Great concept, but it is so lucrative
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: if manipulated and corrupted that really evil people started to
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: do really evil things with it.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: Also, you have complete immunity to liability. Yeah.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Well, they got that orchestrated partway through that sequence because
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: they were starting to get sued like fucking crazy. Right.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Because there was all kinds of injuries. And so that's
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: how they lobbied that.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: This is the Reagan administration, right?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: Reagan passed that act.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: They've got to stop that. You can't just give people
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: immunity because then they lie. They lie so they can
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: sell more stuff. And then they get caught like they
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: did with Vioxx and they only pay a.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: Percentage of the profits. Yeah. And it's not just that
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: you can't give them immunity. It's that you cannot just
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: punish with fines. You have to punish with prison time.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Because if you don't punish with prison time, it will
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: never change. That's true of the drug industry. That's true
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: of our corrupt government officials that are like, for example,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: the person that was withholding these Epstein documents from Pam
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: Bondi and she fired him. No, put him on a
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: stand and, and, and at least give him a trial
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: to make sure he didn't commit treason or something else.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: And maybe he's fine and you let him go and
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: he's just fired. But like, if you aren't, if you're
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: not going to send the Epstein clients to prison, if
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: you're just going to like find a couple of people
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: like 2008 banking collapse, we'll find one Like, we'll fine
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: all the bankers a little bit, and we'll just put
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: one little pawn of a banker in jail. That's why
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: we have this crazy fucking, like, 2008 was horrible. But
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: it was by no means the last market crash that
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: we're having. Like, because no one ever went to jail.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: They just switched their tactics around and get ready for
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: the next profit-taking event.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've already paid everybody off so that they
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: get preferable treatment. And this is exactly what happens to
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical drug companies. When they get caught, they just
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: pay fines. They don't go to jail. They killed 50,000, 60,000
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: people with Vioxx.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: The thing about white collar crime is it's real profitable
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: and there's no consequences.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: And they have the media because they sponsor the media.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: And usually they're in bed with these intelligence agencies and
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: organized crime aspects in some small ways or sometimes really
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: big ways. Like in the case of the opium fields
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: where they're clearly getting their opium from these poppy fields.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: And clearly they are interfacing with the illegal drug trades,
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: at least on some level. Not necessarily saying they're collaborating,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: but they're certainly getting it from the same suppliers. It's just,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: it's really dark.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: The idea that they're not is crazy.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: The idea that you're going to have 94% of the
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: world's opium and you're just going to ignore it while
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: you're occupying the country with the military force and guarding
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: the fields, shut the fuck up.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: Especially considering, so that was George W. Bush, right? Right.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: But George H. W. Bush, this is one that's not
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: totally declassified yet, but I've been digging deep into it.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: I got a whole bunch of documents on it and
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: it's kind of declassified, is that during Vietnam era, we
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: were managing all the opium production and the heroin production
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: in Laos and in the surrounding area. And It was
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: being sold to American service members to make money for
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: the CIA for black operations. And that was George H.W.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: Bush.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: That was his time. That's why his nickname is Poppy.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: It's not because he's like the dad. It's because he
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: was brought into that organization with Richard Helms.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: That's the reason why his name.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's why his nickname is Poppy. And that is
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: still not mainstream CIA like disclosure news. There's a whole
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: fucking rabbit hole about it. Like, it is kind of
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: disclosed that we were involved in that drug trade somewhat,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: but it's not disclosed that that's why all the Vietnam
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: veterans came home addicted to heroin, because the CIA was
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: selling heroin to them and to a lot of other
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: parts of the world in order to raise funds for
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: their black budget operations, because the CIA has always had
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: trouble funding all their operations ever since the start.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: Which is also what they did with crack cocaine in
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: Bingo.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: With Freeway Ricky Ross.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: It's all tied in. So the guy, so Bill Casey, who,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: Bill Colby, rather, who put that all together. He was,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: he was in the heroin operations in Vietnam and he
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: was like a little lower down and not running it.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: And then as he grew up and came to power
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: in the CIA and those other guys that were more competent,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Richard Helms being the primary one, Richard Helms and HW Bush,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: they were not involved when he went off on his
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: own and tried to set up the cocaine smuggling. And
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: that's why he bungled it so fucking bad because he
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: was a psychopath that didn't have the skill sets required
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: to In order to run something that complex. And it eventually,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: when Barry Seale got popped, he was the guy that
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: was flying the, like, it used to be I'll drive
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: a truck with a brick of cocaine across the border.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: And then Barry Seale was this military CIA pilot that said, like,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: I'll just fill my whole fucking plane with cocaine and
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: get like a thousand runs in one. And he was
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: just flying whole planes over to Mena, Arkansas, where Bill
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: Clinton was the governor. Yeah.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: As well as a few other places.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: That Tom Cruise movie where they get a call from
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: the governor. Bingo. And they have to let Barry Seals out,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: which did happen.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And when Barry Seal finally got popped, everyone started,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: all the rats started to run and try to look
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: out for their own. And eventually that led to Oliver
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: North taking the stand and totally bungling his fucking job
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: on the stand. He was supposed to be like, bro,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be the fall guy. And now we
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: just have this huge fucking problem. Yeah.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: It's wild. Dude. And these are just one of thousands
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: of stories like this.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: Thousands and thousands of stories.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: Very well documented that originally, you're a fringe reporter, Gary Webb.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: You're making it all up. You're a disgrace. Gary Webb's
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: writing Dark Alliance. You can look up his Wikipedia page.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: And Gary Webb exposed how Freeway Ricky Ross was the
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: outlet for all this cocaine and And when you, and
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: holy shit, Freeway Ricky Ross is a crazy story.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: I've had him on three times.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Dude, what an interesting guy, right? He's
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: selling weed in LA now, legally. Dude, what a full circle.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: He goes from wanting to be a tennis pro to
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: being the number one kingpin of cocaine, business mastermind.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: Doesn't know how to read.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, illiterate the whole time.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, learned how to read in jail, became a lawyer
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: in jail, and then realized that the three strikes law
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: had been inaccurately applied to him.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Whoa. Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, dude. They applied it to one specific event.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be you get arrested three different times
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: for three felonies.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. No, I think that they needed to cover it
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: all up. So he's out of jail. Because shit was
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: starting to come out. Well, yeah. Because Gary Webb was
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: starting to fucking... I mean, maybe Gary Webb was after that.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: But then Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting himself in
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: the head twice.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, guys.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: Crazy movie about that, too.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy, crazy, crazy. There's so many of these things.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: The idea of a conspiracy theory being a ridiculous fringe
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: thing doesn't hold water anymore.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: It's like the Jimmy Darcy. It's like, reading? You mean reading?
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: You should try it. Jimmy's the best. I love Jimmy
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: so much, dude. He was just here. What a legend.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: He just filmed his new special at the Mothership.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: Jimmy's the best. I love him to death. I've known
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: him from comedy, just from comedy, from back in the day.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: And then when he was at Young Turks, when he
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: was a leftist.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: Which he really still holds all those same values.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: No, he holds it down. You and him are the
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: two guys I point to, and him a little more
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: than you now, of when I'm like, where's the sane
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: left still at?
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like you guys. And like Eric Weinstein
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: is a good example, Eric and Brett Weinstein.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: There's a couple. But a lot of them have just
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: gone insane.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: Taibbi's another one.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: Taibbi's great.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: I love Taibbi. There's people who didn't cave.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: But boy, did they get fucking attacked. Boy, did they
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: have a lot of pressure.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's so hard to know what's real in
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: the world. And unless you have Schellenberger, unless you have
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: Glenn Greenwald, unless you have those people out there that
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: are risking their neck, they're sticking their neck out there
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: to tell you exactly what's going on. This is what
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: funded it. This is how it started. Don't let them
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: say any differently. We made an agreement with Russia. We
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: did this. NATO did that. This is what's going on.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: Can't be bought.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: And it's so important. And they rise now. There's so
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: many of them now. And they're coming up. It's becoming
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: much more mainstream. And if you look at some of
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: their videos, it's millions of views. And then you find
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: that MSNBC is getting a fraction of that. And they're
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: corporate funded, enormous, huge organizations with staff. And now they're
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: hemorrhaging people.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: It's wild to watch the mainstream journalists like the MSNBC
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: folk have to leave. Like Joy Reid just left, for example.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: And like when Don Lemon left. They got fired. They
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: can't say left because they didn't want to leave.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: They got kicked out.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: But they try to make it in the new media world.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: And they're just like, you have no value here because
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: you were never good at this job. You were just
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: good at reading propaganda to us.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: You look good and you got put on camera.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: Whereas Tucker Carlson gets kicked out and he fucking slays it.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: And he just grows. He grows bigger and bigger and
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: bigger because he's not bought and he's not scared and
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: he actually is good at communicating and interviewing and getting
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: to the truth. And it's so cool to watch this
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: seismic shifting in the industry.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really fascinating. It's a fascinating time. And I
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: think it's good for humans. Oh, yeah. It's good for
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: the human race.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: And there's going to be a lot of bullshit out there.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff that's not true, but that's okay, too.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: You'll figure it out. Well, the truth will rise. There's
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: too many people that are telling the truth, and there's
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: too much that's undeniable that once you start reading, you
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: start questioning virtually everything.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: Fun time for two things you guys were just talking about.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: Southern Air Transport. This is the airline, right? This was
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: the airline used.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: It came out the same day that they filed for
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: bankruptcy after being in Columbus, Ohio, being used by Leslie
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: Wexner's limited company.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: Leslie Wexner is deeply tied into those CIA.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: A lot of roads lead back to Columbus, Jamie.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: And it's all because of Leslie Wexner. Let's talk about
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: that a little more. He's got some things to share
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: with our friends.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: Jamie's got his own conspiracy.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: Heard that. I'm with you on that.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: It's wild how many of these. And again, before the internet,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: this is how they did business. This is why it's
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: so sloppy. It's because before the internet, you didn't have
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: to cover your tracks. You could get away with this stuff.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: And the thing about the internet that I love that
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: gets me called a controlled opposition all the time is
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: that I love that all of their tactics work backwards too.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: I can use those tactics too. I can make propaganda
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: because what propaganda is is just convincing messaging. And if
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: you have convincing messaging in the hands of an evil
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: fucking megalomaniacal dictator, government, CIA, whatever it is, that's really bad.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: But if you have propaganda tools in the hands of
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: regular citizens that have morals and values that want the
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: best for the world, correctly applied... you can fight back
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: against them. And so there's this element where I'm like,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at how do you open people's minds? Like,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: how do you strategize to like get your, cause it's
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: a balance, right? Because when I'm reporting on something, it's
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: important to tell the truth. It's important to be accurate
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: and accuracy. If you really dig enough and get enough
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: accuracy that, that reduces entertainment value. But if you find
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: the way to balance entertainment value with accuracy, the right way,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: which is always a moving target, You can change the world. Like,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a regular dude. Two years ago, I was an
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: Uber Eats driver, an ultra marathon running guide. I was
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: like a no one in the middle of nowhere. And
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: then I'm like, all right, I'll just contribute. And I'll
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: start trying to tell these stories, trying to learn and
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: communicate what's going on.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to also have to have a particular
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: knack for it. And you have to be really interested
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: in these things.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: Interest is the most important part.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: Very, actually, totally, completely interested in it.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people try to get into, like,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: podcasting and like this internet field these days because it's
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: like what you're supposed to do.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: It's a business.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: But they don't realize that that's going to be your
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: job every day for the rest of your life. You
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: better fucking love it.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you've seen that with a lot of podcasters
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: where they just, they start off and then they fall
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: off because they can't do it because they're not interested.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: Yup. And it's a lot of work and a lot
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: of hassle and there's no guarantee of success. It's like
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: a very saturated industry.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: And you have to actually be locked in with what
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: you're talking about because if you're not, there's too much competition.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: There's too many people that are locked in.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 3: Yup.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think is going on with the
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: whole UAP thing?
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: Dude, I love this fucking conversation.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: I love this fucking conversation.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: It's the most interesting.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: I never get tired of it.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go the angle of like, what
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: are the crafts? Or do you want to go the
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: bigger angle of like, what is the phenomenon?
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's start with what is the phenomenon?
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: I think that right now, science and religion and UAP
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: exposure are all converging on similar truths. And what I
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: mean by that is that Um, science. So, you know,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: the science of consciousness, how we don't really know where
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: the fuck consciousness comes from.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that start to suggest
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: that it sounds like we're antenna that are receiving consciousness
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: from some sort of consciousness field or some sort of other, like.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: Have you read any Thomas Campbell?
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: You should read the big toe theory of everything. It's
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: very bizarre stuff. Very hard to swallow. You got to
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: go back and listen to it multiple times.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: I like that kind of shit.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: I had him on the podcast and at the end
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: of it, I was like, we got to stop here.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: I have to think about everything you said and then
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: we'll bring you back and we'll go deeper because he
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: wanted to keep going and go deeper and deeper. Like
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: he's been living in these realms.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: It goes and goes, dude. Because you're talking metaphysics, you're
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: talking physics, you're talking like history and like disclosure about
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: history and dimension. And like I suspect that whatever consciousness
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: is coming from is this multiverse, this consciousness field, this ether,
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: this multidimensional thing, whatever. I suspect that's very similar. to
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: what UAPs are traversing in and out of and through.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: And I suspect that's very similar to what we identify
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: as either the gods, plural, the aliens, plural, that have
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: these abilities we don't have. As well as God, singular,
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: which is probably the highest up above all of those things.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: I suspect there's a version of all these things that
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: are starting to converge on one truth. Because when you
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: learn about remote viewing, that's what really cracked it for me,
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: was learning how much money the CIA has invested in
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: remote viewing over the years. The CIA is not spending
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars on some crackpot bullshit that's
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: not going to work. They would for a little while,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: but they've been doing it and doing it and doing it.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: And now we've got disclosure from people that are coming
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: out whistleblowing that they are doing it today. And I'm
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: in the program and this is how we did it.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: Have you listened to the telepathy tapes?
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: I've listened to a few, a little bit of them.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: I've not listened all the way through.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: I had Kai Dickens on the podcast the other day
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: and she explained the whole thing. Like provable. Hours and
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: hours and hours of nonverbal autistic kids who have telepathy.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: Provable telepathy. Undeniable.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, dude. 100% accuracy. Wild.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: And I suspect that all of that is, and there's
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: a weaponization of it. I mean, it's not just public
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: study of it. There's definitely been private study of it
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: by the intelligence agencies and probably the weapons developers for
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: a long time. I mean, I was very surprised to
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: hear Elon's answer to your alien question the other day,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: which I understand that he probably couldn't talk about it anyway.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: That's how I take all of his answers about aliens.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: It's like, nice try. I had to try.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: But like, there's no way.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: I don't ask him about it off air either. Yeah.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, you got to respect a man's
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: like private, like he's got NDAs up the wazoo for
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: that kind of shit.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Also, he has top secret military clearance and he runs SpaceX.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: Bingo.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't, I wouldn't say jack shit.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: And that's where Flat Earth comes in.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: They're all real. They're very subtle. That's what I would
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: say too.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And I think that Flat Earth, a lot of
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: the evidence that gets cited as Flat Earth, like for example,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: NASA fakes footage. And if you look into it, it's
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: fucking obvious that NASA is putting out fake footage. They're
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: clearly on wires in some of that footage. Clearly some
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: of that footage is underwater and there's bubbles fucking floating
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: up and shit. Which footage? Just like NASA publishes all
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: kinds of footage from like the ISS to they have
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: live streams to they do like videos. And no one
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: ever watches it because like whoever watches random NASA footage.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: So you think some of the ISS footage is fake?
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of footage you can find online that
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: is coming from NASA where there's like little slips or
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: like a guy is like they're doing their floating shit
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: and then the buddy reaches out and grabs where a
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: wire is to help his buddy get back into frame.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: Like little slips of the mind where they're like just
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: trying to orchestrate.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: I've never seen any of that.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: And who knows if it's real or not?
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: I've seen some moon landing footage that looks hokey.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So all I'm saying is that gets cited by
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: flat earthers as like NASA's covering up flat earth.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is that there's a lot of
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: reasons why NASA would cover up and produce fake footage
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: from something like the ISS. And every single one of
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: them rhymes with aliens. Because if there's any type of
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: aliens going on up here, it's very possible that they
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: are up there in that fucking space station.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: What?
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: Or like they could be. Like, I don't know. And
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I think they are for sure. I'm
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: just saying that people tend to look at a piece
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: of evidence. And jump too quickly on the one explanation
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: that they're sure is right. And sometimes there's other explanations.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: And aliens apply to so many parts of our world,
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: like demons, sound very much like the UAP phenomenon to me, right?
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of these religious beliefs sound very much like
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: explainable just with different wording by UAP phenomenon. As in
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: some of these aliens, we seem to be we seem
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: to be being told that they communicate telepathically. They have
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: energetic ability, right?
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: I just, I'm getting to the point where I'm suspecting
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: that we're going to have, be finding out that religion
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: is like humans trying to interpret these phenomenon over millennia
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: in all the human ways we would and telling stories
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: about them. And I'm not saying that God's not real.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: I'm And that does not diminish God at all. I
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: almost think it makes God more important and more powerful
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: to understand. Because from my understanding, correct me if you
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: have a different one, it sounds like we're getting a
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: lot of reports that are cross-corroborating that there's more than
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: one thing going on here. It's not all aliens are
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: the same. Some of them might be us from the future.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: Some of them might be us from under the water.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: Some of them might be other species. It's really hard
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: to pin down what all these phenomenon are. But they're
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: definitely not just made up.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: And I think some of them are ours.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: I think the cover-up is the weird part, though. It's like,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: if you go back to Operation Blue Book, when they
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: started doing that, the sole purpose of Operation Blue Book
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: is to take any credible story and make it look ridiculous.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: And they talked about that openly. And then Hynek, when
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: he left Operation Blue Book, became a believer and started
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: talking about UFOs being real.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: That's a fucking.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: That's a big old red flag right there.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, the UFO community is filled with people like
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: that that are, and it's really hard to know who's who.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: It's super hard to know who's who. And did you
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: notice how recently, like the last month ago, sort of,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: there was this breaking story that set the whole UAP
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: community on fire about this disclosure that I think Jeremy
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: Corbo was coming out of whistleblowing on, if I remember correctly,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: that they were saying that they're going to trick us
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: by saying that there's a mothership arriving in three years. Right. Yeah,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: I did hear that. And it becomes this thing where
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: it's like, How do you know? He's saying that he's
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: exposing it. But how do you know if he's exposed?
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: It's just like it's the ultimate test of are you
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: skeptical enough and also open-minded enough and thoughtful enough?
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: Also, if there's a believer, get them some bullshit. Feed
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: the believer some bullshit.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: They don't even have to know that they're in on it, right?
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: They don't have to know. And it could be like
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: kind of plausible bullshit. And it could be corroborated with
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: some other bullshit that you have.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: I think that's what most bullshit artists are in most fields.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's usually useful idiots, like people like myself, genuinely.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: I am in some ways one of those people in
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: the sense that if I get fooled by something, I
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: become that, which is why it's so important to think
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: really carefully and to be okay with being wrong because
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: you never know what your sources are. And that's also
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: why I'm really careful not to do very many leaks
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: or whistleblows because how do I know who the fuck
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: you are? I don't want to spend all the time
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: to try to vet you and find out where you
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: came from and your story came from. I'd way rather...
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: Just learn. There's so much to learn.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: One of the weirdest things about Jacques Vallée' s work is
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: that Jacques Vallée has been documenting this stuff, again, since
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: I think the 50s or the 60s is when he started.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: But he's also documented historical stories. And the historical stories-
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: You mean like from before modern times? Like 1700s, 1800s.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: And these stories are the same story. They're the same
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: story when people never heard of them. Not only that,
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: in the 70s- He's documenting this woman that in California
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: found an egg-shaped craft in her yard. She tells this
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: story about confronting this being. There's an egg-shaped craft. These
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: fucking egg-shaped crafts all described by people who don't know
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: that someone else has described this story.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: And no one would ever choose an egg shape when
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: they're describing an aircraft.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: Especially back then.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: And it's also all telepathic communication.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 4: It's all.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: Like weird moments.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: Same stories.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: Lapse of time. Memories confused. You feel like your brain's
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: been erased. Don't know what's going on. You find yourself
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: in a field. How did I get here?
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: Weird shit that's like the same story over and over
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: and over again. Too much so that you get, first
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: of all, Clearly, when you're dealing with things in the
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: 1700s and 1800s, it's not modern propaganda. It's not the government.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: They're not covering up drones in the 1700s. So why
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: are these stories in the fucking Bhagavad Gita?
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could make the argument, not the Bhagavad Gita,
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: but you could make the argument that back then people
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: were writing fiction or wanted attention. Those could apply, but
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: I'm skeptical.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I get down with the ancient ones, like
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: the Hancocks of this world. That was my first conspiracy
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: theory stuff back when I was a leftist is I
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: was just like ancient conspiracy theories. Let's go. And it's
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: so compelling. The Great Flood, the Randall Carlsons of this
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: world and the way that they kind of talk about.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: And it's so obvious more and more and more. that
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: there is a cover-up. And Jimmy Corsetti has been really
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: going hard at mainstream archaeology lately.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: No, he's fantastic.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: To not just look at the evidence of the old school,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: like the ancient conspiracy theories, but actually to just go
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: at the cover-up today. Because that sometimes is the most
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: effective thing, is to just target the cover-up. Because that
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: is clear evidence that we're onto something.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because of Jimmy Corsetti and his exposure
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: of them planting those trees in Gobekli Tepe, he was
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: one of the first people to say, yeah, they're changing it.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: They're pulling those trees out. Because he was one of
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: the first people to say, hey, those roots are going
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: to damage these ruins.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: And they're like, no, no, no. It's fine. It's safe.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: And they're like, actually, the roots are damaging the ruins.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: But then you do get people that go all the
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: way to the gods. The guy that thinks Nibiru is
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: the 12th planet or whatever. Zachariah Sitchin. Zachariah Sitchin. And
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: there's people that go so far down these ancient conspiracy
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: theory rabbit holes that I feel like we're getting way
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: off track here, guys. We're starting to cite sources that
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: are not. credible and we're taking it to places where like, yeah,
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: maybe the Anunnaki were here to mine gold and maybe we're,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, very plausible that we're all genetically engineered, I think,
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: but there's, there's like a fine line between, between maybe
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: that could be true.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: And those stories are the best though.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: They are most fun. I'm actually, I'm planning to write
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: a book that is sort of like a series of
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: books really in my, like across my later life that
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: is basically imagine writing a book that is like set
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: in the, uh, you could write ancient books about the
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: old school where if that was book was real, you
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: could still wind up in today's world with all the
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: same evidence we have. And it could be real. Even
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: if back then it's crazy magic and there's like all
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: this crazy shit going on, it could still end up with, Oh,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: the pyramids are left over from that. And Oh, the,
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: the ruins are here after that great flood thing happened.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: And then you could like write all kinds of crazy
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory stories into today that, that like, How could
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: you prove that this is not real?
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: I just think that's the most fun aspect is how
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: much we don't know.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: Well, the evidence of ancient technology is one of the
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: more fascinating aspects of trying to piece together our past.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: Because whatever explanation you try to use to make the pyramids,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: none of them work.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: Not even close.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: None of them work. None of them work.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: None of them work. And even their purpose doesn't make
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: any fucking sense. Clearly, they were not tombs.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 6: No.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, pretty clearly, they were some sort of power
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: generation or something like that. Energy.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: We've seen Christopher.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: I've been seeing Timothy, the grandmaster of the Knights Templar
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: guy that's going around on podcasts these days. Timothy someone.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it's crazy. Chris Dowd, right? Christopher Dowd. So
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: I've heard Christopher Dowd is Dunn. Christopher Dunn.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Chris.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: Christopher Dowd is a different guy's last name. Yeah.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Mike Dowd from the 7-2, the documentary
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: on the corrupt police department.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: So what's Dunn's name?
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: Christopher Dunn is all about, well, he's an engineer, right?
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: And his theory was that it was a giant power plant.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: And he has a very sophisticated Giza, the power plant.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: Is he talking about the aquifers underneath them and the
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: two types of stone sort of a thing?
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: He's talking about the physical structure of the way the
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: pyramid was made and that there was, excuse me, the
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: subterranean chamber that they used to generate like a pounding
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: of vibration that went through the entire structure of the pyramid.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: It generated this vibration and, And they had chemicals that
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: were coming in that were producing hydrogen. He had the
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: king's chamber, the way it's lined up. This is exactly
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: how you do it if you were trying to do this.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: It's like everything matches up mathematically. It's fascinating.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: And they're built on aquifers from the Nile flooding every year.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: And every year when the Nile floods, water rushes underneath
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: those pyramids through these like stony kind of like porous
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: rocky structures under there. It's just there's so many interesting
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: versions of what it could be.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: At the very least, it's a mystery. And it's also
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: a mystery that shows fantastic. engineering and construction methods and
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: the ability to move rocks and bring them from 500
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: miles away through the mountains that are 50 tons like.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: How I suspect telepathy of some form I suspect like
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: alien capability do you think it's technology or do you
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: think it's like.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: Well it's some kind of technology right.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: You don't think it could possibly be that aliens have
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: the ability to literally move things with their minds I.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: Mean look if you're dealing with something that can come
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: here from another planet communicates telepathically Who knows? Who fucking knows?
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: But even if it's human beings, let's say it's super
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: sophisticated human beings that lived at the very least 4,500
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: years ago, because that's the conventional dating of the construction.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: Even that, you're like, how?
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't do it today.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: How? And people that say we can't, sure, we could.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: It would take hundreds of years.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Corsetti has done some great videos where he compiles
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: real videos of us moving large objects today. And like
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: the trucks breaking and the cranes falling off of cliffs
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: and all this shit of like, look at how hard
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: it is to move these kinds of rocks. It's crazy.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. And the idea that they were completed in
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: 20 years, which is the reign of Khufu.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: It's nonsense.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: And it's also like these archaeologists, they're clinging to this
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: narrative because this is what they taught in school. This
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: is what they wrote books about.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: And then when you look at the cover-up, there's no
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: reason for that level of cover-up if it's just a
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: building technology. That's where I start to go. Clearly that
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: is connected to these UAP technologies, to these free energy technologies,
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, there has to be some sort of
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: reason why covering up how these ancient structures and ancient
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: cultures were built and worked has to relate somehow to
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: something very important and valuable today.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: I think they also have to somehow or another explain it.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: Because to say that it's impossible opens up too many doors.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: And it removes the expert. Because you're not an expert
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: anymore because you're one of us now. You might know
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: more about that site than I do, but you still
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck happened. So you have to
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: claim or at least push it out there. You're the
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: voice of reason. You're the voice of this is the
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: actual historians.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: We're the real archaeologists.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: We've got it covered. I saw a really funny meme
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: the other day that was It was like four pictures
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: and it was humanity gets really intelligent, invents AI. AI
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: builds all these crazy technologies and pyramids. Sunflare wipes out AI.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: Humanity restarts.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: That's a fair... I mean, how would we know?
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: Or it could be the asteroids that hit or the
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: comets that hit at the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: It is an interesting split in the conversation, right, between
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: the solar flare conversation and the comet impact conversation. Right.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: And there's like evidence for both. Right, right. It could
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: have been both at once. Could have been both. Or
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: across a period of a thousand years or something.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: And multiple versions of it. Well, that's the Younger Dryas
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: Impact Theory. They think there was more than one event.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: They think there was an event around 11,800 years ago
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: and then again around 10,000 plus years ago. Yep. And
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: this makes sense why civilization sort of emerges 6,000 years ago.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: Because it's like we were probably fucking savages for thousands
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: of years. We were probably monsters.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd imagine that we only lived inside of
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: sorts of like Elora caves type places for a while, right? Right.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: Which is they found evidence of these massive underground structures
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: that they can't explain. Why would someone use their resources...
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: In a time of hunters and gatherers to build these
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: underground structures that are fucking insane, like multiple football fields underground.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: Entire cities that can house thousands and thousands and thousands
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: of people. And a couple of smart researchers point out
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: really astutely that if you were doing that to hide
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: from other humans, to protect yourself from other humans, you
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: would never dig into a cave system that you could
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: just get drowned in.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: You'd never dig into a cave system that has no
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: way out so that you can just get sealed in. Right.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: That's clearly not, it wasn't to escape humans.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: You'd have to leave to get food.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: Bingo.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: You'd be trapped. Like the Mongols used to like famously
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: sit outside cities for weeks just waiting for people to starve. Just,
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: we'll just wait. We have plenty of food out here.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: And that's another example of this exact same phenomenon we're
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: talking about of these old control systems that work perfectly
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: well in the old era. And now that we have
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: this communication technologies and everyone's getting linked together, it's just
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: the free flow of ideas that just, it's like this
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: natural evolution of consciousness and humanity that we just naturally
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: start to break through those. I'm of the mindset that, yeah,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: we can all change the world. And yeah, we all,
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: our choices do matter a lot, but also in some ways,
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: we're all just part of this cosmic system of like
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: the evolution. Like we're all just part of this giant
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: humanity system where we all collectively on balance with all
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: the weird probabilities of all these people. We're going to
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: evolve technology. We were going to industrial revolutionize. We were
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: going to find oil. We were going to discover electronics.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: We were going to invent AI. It was always going
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: to happen.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: And this is an era that is always was going
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: to happen. And it will happen one way or the other.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: Like we affect how it happens. We could go the
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: Whitney Webb dystopian like they rule us with surveillance everywhere.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: Or we could go to this great utopia of like
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: everyone has enough and we're all. you know, using technology
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: for the better.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I think she's right that that's a possibility.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a super important one to talk about too.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Elon talks about like there's an 80%
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: chance that AI will save us, 20% chance it'll rule us.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: I do respect how he openly will say that like, yeah,
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: the things I'm inventing could be used for evil. Like
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: the things I'm inventing are dangerous. And we need to
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: be careful and regulate them properly and create them with
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: intention and careful care. I don't know if he's necessarily
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: doing as much as I would hope he's doing to
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: take care with that. But I'm sure glad it's him
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: and not Jeffrey Epstein, who was deeply interested in all
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: these same technologies. This is a whole other side of
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: him that no one talks about, is his interest in
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: technologists and geneticists and all those things, right? Yeah.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: Well, he had a lot of influence over scientists. That's
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: a creepy move to take scientists and bring them.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: Throw parties for them, throw conventions for them. And a
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: couple of them, he had a couple of them. had
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: some serious accusations like Marvin Minsky, for example, but I
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: bet a lot of them were not like compromised, like
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: Stephen Hawking. Everyone freaked out when Stephen Hawking was on
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: the list, but it makes perfect sense as you realize
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: that he was throwing conventions on that island for scientists
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: specifically to bring them all together because that way you
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: get connections, you can get favors, even if you're not
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: blackmailing them, then they just want to be on your
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: good side because you have all these connections and you
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: can fund all their projects and you become this integral
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: part of this technological... sort of space.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: Right. Blackmail's not the only tool. That's a blunt instrument.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of just connections.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: He also just hooked people up with wives. Like, do
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: you know that he claimed that he introduced Melania to Trump?
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a crazy one. I suspect, Melania conspiracy time,
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: I suspect that Melania has been whispering in Trump's ear,
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: I think she was trafficked. Before either either bad traffic
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: or good or just like new Epstein and like knew
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 1: that world a little bit. But I suspect that she's
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: been whispering in his ear about what that really is
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: and does and all that things. Because a lot of
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: she's been kind of like acting from the back a lot.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: But when you really dig into what Milani has been doing,
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: she's very, very active in anti-trafficking and in protecting traffic
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: victims and girls and stuff. And as Trump, when he
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: married her and then they have Barron and he's watching
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: his son grow up. So you have this young child.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: And you have this wife telling you about her previous life, probably,
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: and just whispering in your ear that, like, this could
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: be your legacy. This could be your legacy. This could
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: be your legacy, right? Because he used to be friends
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: with those people, even though I don't think he was blackmailed,
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: because I think that would have come out when the
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: Democrats were going for him. And maybe he was involved
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: in the trafficking a little bit because of the things
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: that he bought and the people that he knew and, like,
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: Roy Cohn connections. But I don't even know about that.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: But regardless, he knows the game. And then he marries Melania.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: And then more and more, like he was in charge
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: when Epstein went down. He was the only one that
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: when Epstein got arrested and they were going around asking
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: for dirt, he was like, I'll fully fucking cooperate. Fuck
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: that guy. I'll tell you everything that I know. And
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: so I suspect that Melania has been instrumental in his
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: sort of shift to being the only guy willing to
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: go after those traffickers.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: Out of all the information that's getting disclosed, supposedly this administration,
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: what do you have the least faith that we're going
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: to come to a conclusion?
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: Epstein, for sure. Epstein. And I think it's because of Israel.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: Because I think, I mean, when you really dig into Epstein,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: his entire network was Israel. It was clearly. Like Ehud
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: Barak was the ex-prime minister and the ex-head of Israeli intelligence.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: Leslie Wexner was one of the most powerful pro-Israeli philanthropists.
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: The whole organization was Israel. And I'm not saying it
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: was all of Israel.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: It was all an intelligence gathering.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: And it was targeting Americans. It was targeting American officials
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: and the American president. And the CIA does have interest
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: in those targets, too. Elements in the CIA does. Certainly
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: they had help from the CIA and certainly they had
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: help from these other organized crime and intelligence operations. But
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: you don't like so, for example, Dan Bongino, the new
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: was the deputy director of the FBI. He recently had
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: this clip that went all around where he said on
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: camera that he had had a source that he trusted deeply.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: And he's an informed guy who's at Fox News interview.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: And the source told him that Epstein was working for
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: an intelligence agency in the Middle East. And I don't
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: know which one, but someone in the Middle East. And
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: to be fair, we all already knew this. We all,
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: we already know who he worked for. At least I
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: think so. But I'm looking at, okay, Dan. So if
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: this giant group of Jewish billionaires is running a sex
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: trafficking operation, targeting American politicians and business people and stuff,
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: you think they're working with an Arab or Muslim nation
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: in the Middle East? Like you think that Leslie Wexner
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 1: is devoting his entire life to philanthropies on behalf of Israel,
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: but then he's going to work for Saudi Arabia when
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: he's doing this trafficking right?
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: But if someone says to him that, They're all working
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: for a country in the Middle East, knowing he knows
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: what that means, but not specifying. Doesn't he kind of
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: have to repeat it that same way?
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: Well, he also has to repeat it the same way
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: because he won't get the job if he says Israel.
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: Because Israel has so much control over our government right now.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that all Jews are in on something. Clearly. Internet.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you. And Joe is definitely not saying that.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: Definitely not.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: But Israel's government is every bit as... uh, as vulnerable
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: to the deep state effect as the American government. But
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: I would argue that Israel's government is way more vulnerable
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: to it because of the people that founded Israel and
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: the way it was founded. It was founded in modern time,
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: much more recently by like, it was a revolutionary founding. And,
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: and I, I can totally sympathize with the Jewish desire
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: to have that state. Like I get it, but because
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: of the way that happened, the people that founded Israel,
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: were a bunch of organized crime figures in America, the
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: Jewish mob that were helping with money and with arms
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: trafficking to get the guns there because they had to
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: have guns. And it was the Rothschild banking family sending
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of money and getting the declaration in
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: the first place. And then the people that were there,
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: the three different organizations, the Irgun, the Lehi group, and
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: the Haganah, those were the three like paramilitary groups that
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: fought to found Israel. And they're like the heroes of Israel,
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: which I understand the narrative that they're heroes, but When
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: Israel was officially founded, they officially designated Irgun and Lehi
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: as terrorist organizations because they had been bombing civilians. They'd
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: been bombing British civilians. The first official act of terror
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: before they changed the definition was the bombing of the
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 1: King David Hotel, where these terrorists, these Lehi and Irgun terrorists,
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different groups, the guy who planned that
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: bombing later became the prime minister of Israel. They were
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 1: bombing civilians. And, and like, so those, when those are
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 1: the groups that are fighting to found that nation, even
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 1: if all the Jews there are wonderful people, the leadership
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: is inherently composed of these people that have been deeply
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: corrupt for all time. And so you get this fertile
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: ground for this kind of deep state effect to take power.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: And when you start to research the heads of state
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: of Israel over history, you realize that a bunch of
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: them were in those groups doing those terrorist acts and
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: have done a bunch of dark stuff because those were
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: the people that were at the top of that military organization.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Those terrorist organizations reformed to form the IDF.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: And what's interesting is you can talk about this now
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: post-October 7th.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: It opened wide open. Post-Gaza. You want to know a
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: funny story, actually? I didn't know shit about it. And
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: I started doing 9-11 stuff. And I was doing a
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: 9-11 video on my YouTube. And I knew about the
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: dancing Israeli conspiracy theory that is very much a real
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: set of documents. And I knew that I'm not allowed
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: to talk about Israel for some reason. And I didn't
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: really know why. And I realized, like, I better fucking
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: understand this thing before I crater my new channel and
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: career on this topic I don't understand. If I'm going
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: to take a stance against Israel at all, I should
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: understand why and how. So I started doing research. And
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: I shelved that research. And I switched to researching Israel
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: and Palestine and the history there and what's going on.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: And I finished the video. And it was October 6th.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I was very worried because it's
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: like you weren't allowed to talk about it. And I
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: had just made this whole documentary about the history of
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: Israel-Palestine and the propaganda and what it all was. I
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: published on October 6th on my locals channel. And I
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: kind of had this like lean back and like, if
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: that's the end of the ride and I get canceled
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: for this shit, so be it. And then literally the
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: next day, and I'm not saying that October 7th was
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: a good thing. But I'm saying that literally the next day,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: the entire internet was ablaze about Israel and Palestine and
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: everyone was talking about it. And it was the weirdest
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: fucking coincidence. And suddenly it was like, oh, all right,
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: let's fucking dig this thing open. Because unfortunately, I mean,
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: I think fortunately, I think that the state of the
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: Israeli influence that sustained them for so long, that was
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: essential to them surviving this long, I think that it
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: has grown cancerous to the Jewish faith in general. Because-
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein is the perfect example of this. Jeffrey Epstein
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: was the world's most prolific and evil sex trafficker that
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: we know of so far ever. And he very clearly
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: was a Jewish organization of Jewish people working on behalf
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: of Israel and other groups. And so that's a dark stain.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: on Israel and on the Jewish people if you own it.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: Like if you try to defend that, that's not good.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: You don't want to have to defend that. You want
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: to be free of that kind of shit because the
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  Speaker 1: Jewish people don't believe in that. That's not what Jews are.
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  Speaker 1: Jews are regular people.
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  Speaker 2: Just like everyone else. It's the deep state of the
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  Speaker 2: intelligence agencies in Israel.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing about Israel is that Jewish people have
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  Speaker 1: every incentive to need to defend Israel, right? Because if
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  Speaker 1: I'm a Jew, it's like, of course you have to
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: defend Israel. Like that's very understandable. It's your people and
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  Speaker 1: you don't want another Holocaust. Like you don't want another, like,
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  Speaker 1: Jews have been in conflict with other people for ages
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  Speaker 1: because they are outsiders and because they are so different
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: and because they group up and lots of reasons. But
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  Speaker 1: you don't, like, as a Jewish person, you're now faced
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  Speaker 1: with this choice. Do I stand by Israel always, forever,
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  Speaker 1: for everything and defend everything they do? Or do I
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 1: get labeled as a self-hating Jew like Dave Smith gets labeled,
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: like Glenn Greenwald gets labeled? Do I stand against all
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: of my culture? And do I get ostracized by my
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  Speaker 1: family and by my community? But the problem is that
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  Speaker 1: if you have to defend everything that Israel does, you're
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  Speaker 1: forced to defend this fucking deep state that is in
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  Speaker 1: bed with these organized crime figures. And I would argue
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  Speaker 1: that that Israeli deep state is just as much in
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  Speaker 1: bed with all the other organized crime as our deep
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  Speaker 1: state is, as the Saudi deep state is. There's evil
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  Speaker 1: people at the top of all these governments.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, Israel is connected to one race
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  Speaker 2: of people. Whereas the United States, which also is involved
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  Speaker 2: in a lot of really fucked up things all over
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  Speaker 2: the world, When people think about the United States, they
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  Speaker 2: don't think about it as one.
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  Speaker 1: Bingo. Yeah. And so it just puts us all in
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  Speaker 1: this impossible situation. And it's an impossible conversation that we all...
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: And I'm glad for it because it's a maturing process.
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  Speaker 1: And I think we need to do it very delicately
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  Speaker 1: and very carefully and thoughtfully because Jewish people are people
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  Speaker 1: and they're not evil. But there are evil Jewish people
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  Speaker 1: and there are evil American people and there are evil
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  Speaker 1: Saudi people. And that's the way it is.
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  Speaker 2: Well said.
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  Speaker 1: Right? Well said. And so... And so I welcome the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, the thing for me, fortunately, is when I
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: first researched it, I came across this documentary on Rumble
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: called The Occupation of the American Mind, which is a
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: very well put together documentary that is mostly Jewish people
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: speaking about the history of Israel and about how they
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: realized in the 80s when there was this specific operation
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 1: where they wound up bombing this refugee camp called Sabra
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 1: and Shatila, or a refugee camp in a place called
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: Sabra and Shatila. And there was other bombing like atrocity
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  Speaker 1: it was like i guess it was a massacre wasn't
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: a bombing um and it was the first time where
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 1: western journalists had taken video cameras over there and video
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: feed were coming back of the conflict of what was
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: happening and american sentiment turned really harshly against israel in
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 1: the 80s there and they realized we don't need to
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: win just the the kinetic war we need to win
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: the ideological war on the global scale. Because if we
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: don't win that ideological war, the whole world will turn
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: against us and call us a colonial project, which I
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: would argue they kind of are. But that's not the
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 1: point here. And I don't mean to say I'm necessarily
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: right about my perspective on that. But that's when they
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: switched to a propaganda war. And they started targeting the
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: United States with propaganda. And they hired the world's top
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: propagandists to teach Israelis and Israeli military officials and government
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: officials how to communicate with the West and how to
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: propagandize the West so that we would remain in the
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: dark a little bit. That's why we have this veil
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: and this antisemitism thing and this like all the, it's
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 1: why you're not allowed to talk about it because it
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: evolved over time. And they eventually Howard, they hired this
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: guy that I think is called Howard Luntz and Luntz
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: worked with the Israel project. There's a report online that
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 1: came out in 2009, I think called the Israel, the
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: Israel language dictionary, the Israel American language dictionary. And it's
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: basically a word for word. This is how you discuss
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: the rockets raining down. This is how you discuss the settlements.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: This is how you discuss the occupation and the palace
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: and all these things. And they use examples of words
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: that work and words that don't work. And when you
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: read it, you realize like, holy shit, that's exactly what
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: politicians have been saying on TV my entire life. And
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: they use Obama as one example of really good words
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 1: that work. You should talk like Obama because he's good
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: at sort of empathizing with the other side and making
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: us understand that like, we're here for peace and they're
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: the terrorists and And I say that to mean that
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 1: we live inside this propagandized space because it's been essential
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 1: to them for so long to protect that image in
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 1: order to continue the deep state element of what they're doing.
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: When I would argue that we would all be much
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 1: better off if BB was fucking not there and we
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: had a more sane person in charge of Israel. that
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: was actually there for peace and not there for whatever
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: the fuck Bibi is doing. And we could start to
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: heal this thing and talk about it.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: Most people in the general public aren't even aware that
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: the Israeli people were protesting against Netanyahu.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: Before October 6th. He's about to get kicked out.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: Hundreds of thousands of people in the streets and that
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 2: it had been going on for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: 100%.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I suspect, I'm hoping I'm not blowing the lid
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 1: on Trump's idea here. I kind of suspect that Trump
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: is kind of in on a coup against Netanyahu right now.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 1: This is just my theory. based upon the way he
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 1: talked about like occupying Gaza and the way he's friends
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: with Jared Kushner and the way he's friends with the Adelson's.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: I suspect that these powerful Jews, like the Adelson type
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: people are starting to realize that Netanyahu is, is kind
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: of sinking this ship and he's kind of fucked it
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: all up. And it's not going well for Israel in
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: the public conversation. Like I can, I can ratio just
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: about anyone I want on Twitter over the Israel thing
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: because the public sentiment is just shifting and it's not,
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 1: it's not healthy for anyone for Jewish people or anyone else.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 1: And I'd suspect that the powerful Jewish people are starting
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: to see that and are starting to scheme on how
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 1: do we fucking get Netanyahu out of there and put
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 1: someone in that that can actually be and move us
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 1: towards some sort of peace. Because without a genuine desire
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 1: for like Netanyahu is on fucking camera saying that they
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 1: have propped up Hamas in the Gaza Strip because they
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 1: don't want a real government in the Gaza Strip. Because
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: it's far better for them to run this occupation and
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 1: to eventually take the land if necessary. Hamas is, I mean,
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: that's not an exact quote. Everyone should look that up
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: for themselves.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: But not just propped up, but funded.
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: And intentionally kept there.
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: Just when you hear that, you're like, well, what's the
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 2: logic for funding Hamas? What logic?
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: Well, it's the exact same logic as us funding the Taliban.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: It's the exact same logic. It's the exact same strategies.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: Did you see that? God, I wish I would remember
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 2: where it was happening, where someone had to say, are
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: we really sending the Taliban $ 40 million a week?
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: We were. Yeah.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 1: And it happens over and over and over again. We're
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 1: just sending money willy-nilly to all these, like Ukraine, Israel, Taliban,
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 1: you name it. And those are just a small spatter.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: We've done it across the whole world, Indonesia, Central and
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: South America.
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 2: And we've been doing it that way forever.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: Forever. And it's this playbook of the deep state is
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 1: a funny term. I think it's kind of time to
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: retire it because it's not the deep state. It's like
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: this corporate, like transnational corporate criminal organization space where transnational
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 1: corporations like the banks, like JP Morgan, Jamie Dimon, They
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 1: were banking Jeffrey Epstein. They don't answer to us. They're
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: not American. They don't give a shit about America. They
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 1: give a shit about money and power. And they're legally
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: required to because they're a public corporation. That's a whole
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: BlackRock thing we could go down. It's crazy. And so
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: when you look at it as people who have this globalist,
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: and actually that's why people shit on Alex Jones for
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 1: saying globalists. All the fucking anti-Jew people are like, just
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: say the Jews. And it's like, no, dude. like there's
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: way more going on here. And the tie that binds
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: all of them together, the Klaus Schwab's of this world,
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 1: the Jeff Bezos's, and I don't know, maybe Jeff's a
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: good guy. I don't know. But like the people that
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: don't think in terms of these are my people and
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 1: I love them, but I'd rather I'm like a piece
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 1: of this global community of billionaires that like our job
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 1: is just to make money and fucking control the world.
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 1: Like Bill Gates is a great example. They live outside
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: of our world and they do not give a shit
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: if COVID kills 10,000 people or 100,000 people or 10
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 1: million people, whatever. And I'm generalizing because obviously they are
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 1: individuals and they each have their own perspective on what's
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 1: going on. But it feels to me from researching, there's
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: enough of them that are evil. that they're doing some
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: horrible things. And the ones that are a little less evil,
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 1: maybe they know what they're in on. Maybe they only
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 1: know some of it because you don't have to disclose everything.
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: And these kinds of plans, like for example, in a
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: CIA plot to overthrow the government of Guatemala, you're not
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: telling everyone the whole plan.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: They didn't tell Smedley Butler.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't tell him shit. They told him that
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: like this, they told him that they were going to
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: overthrow a communist that was already taking over the, like,
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: I think they probably told him that he was a
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 1: Jewish communist because they think they were riding on like,
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 1: FDR's second-in-command was Henry Morgenthau jr. And he was deeply
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: aligned with the Jewish like the the rich Jewish kind
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 1: of powers in the world at that day and there
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: was a lot of anti-jewish sentiment back then and so
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: I suspect that they told Smedley Butler that like this
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: dude This guy's a fucking Jewish plant and he's part
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: of the Rothschild thing and like we need he's a
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: communist We need to overthrow him and Smedley didn't buy
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: it Smedley collected fucking research on them and he went
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: to FDR and he exposed the whole plot but the
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: problem was the FDR and Couldn't do anything because these people,
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: titans of industry, like the Bushes of the world, the Fords,
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even know all their names at this point.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: It's been a while since I did that dig. He
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: couldn't do anything. And so nothing happened. He couldn't charge
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: them because they just said, you just got out of
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: the Great Depression. We will fuck your economy up. Done. Done.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: There's so much power.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: Let's bring this to a fucking halt. Yeah. Enough.
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: You freak me out. I already blew the whole thing up, dude.
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, man. Let's real quickly, though.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: Be clear.
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 1: Joe does not agree with everything that I just said
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 1: on this podcast.
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 2: I can't believe what you said.
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe doesn't know shit, okay? I am so upset
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 1: that I even platformed you. This is Ian Carroll speaking.
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: You're outrageous. And also, I'm perfectly willing to have a
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 1: conversation about this. I don't know that I'm right about everything.
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 1: I just know the sources I've read. and where I've
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: read them, and I try my best to figure out
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 1: where they are.
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 2: Very reasonable. Very reasonable in the way you do this,
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: and I think it's a valuable service. So thank you
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 2: very much. Thanks. It was a lot of fun, too.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 2: It was very enjoyable. Tell everybody how they can find you.
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Find me on X Ian Carroll Show, and I
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 1: have a new website that just launched, which is CancelIanCarroll.com.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 1: So cancel me, bitches.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 2: Perfect.
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 1: Come at me.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 2: Bye, everybody.