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#2166 Micro Plastics, Virtual Flying & Biofeedback - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get a champs. It's sadly, sadly, we're one member down,
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  Speaker 1: not for lack of trying on. TIFF's behalf you and
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  Speaker 1: Tiff Patrick, good morning.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Crago.
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  Speaker 3: I've been trying to put the headphones on Fritz so
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  Speaker 3: that he could fill in for Tiff, but they don't
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  Speaker 3: fit in.
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  Speaker 2: Did you notice that, I know his.
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  Speaker 1: Head's too little. He's very cute, though. You and Tiff
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  Speaker 1: have been trying to rectify some technical issue for the
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  Speaker 1: last forty minutes. Am I correct in that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a while.
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  Speaker 3: She had the black screen of death, which is I
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  Speaker 3: think worse than the blue screen of death for anybody
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  Speaker 3: who uses a Windows computer, and all she got was
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  Speaker 3: a cursor and a lot of cursing as you can imagine.
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  Speaker 1: No, wow, wow, I've got to say, I'm a little
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  Speaker 1: offend that she didn't call me. But anyway, okay, check support.
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  Speaker 2: If she wanted to lift heavy weights, be calling you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's right on protein support. I knew I had
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  Speaker 1: a role. I just couldn't. I just couldn't remember exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Life advice, moral support, hugs. You know you've got to look.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, moral support, immoral support like whatever it is that
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  Speaker 1: you need. Now, you've got to lunar landscape behind you.
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  Speaker 1: Now I know that's Earth behind you. So you're sitting
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  Speaker 1: on the moon.
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  Speaker 2: Technically sitting on the moon with the Earth behind me.
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  Speaker 1: I think you need to give that backdrop an iron.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit crease it life.
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  Speaker 1: I would have thought you're actually on the moon. But
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  Speaker 1: I can see the creases in the galaxy, in the space,
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  Speaker 1: I can see it all. How's your week been?
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  Speaker 2: How's my week been? Oh? I wasn't prepared for that question.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a blur, but I did have a very
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  Speaker 3: exciting weekend when I caught up with a friend for coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Did you tell us about that?
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's some blake sitting in a bloody denim
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  Speaker 3: shirt in a dingy place.
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  Speaker 1: I think you mean. I think you mean flannel. Don't
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  Speaker 1: put me in a denim shirt. I sound like an
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  Speaker 1: eighties porn star, fucking denim.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, as it happened, you did look like an eighties
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  Speaker 3: porn star when we aied you. Remember I took a
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  Speaker 3: photo of you over coffee, and then I did an
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  Speaker 3: AI job on you.
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  Speaker 2: And suddenly you are with shirtless sitting in the cafe.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's right. Why did you do that? I wish,
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  Speaker 1: I wish i'd look like the dude that you made
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  Speaker 1: me into.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so I posted the picture of you on the
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  Speaker 3: Death Star. That was kind of good, was that you did.
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  Speaker 1: You get that? Or so I did that. I was
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  Speaker 1: inspired by you because you did one of you in
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  Speaker 1: some big look like Star Trek, kind of like the
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  Speaker 1: four deck or whatever you call it. So but that's that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, because my brain is weird enough, I don't
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  Speaker 1: as soon as I opened the AI door and go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get a thing of Patrick on a
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  Speaker 1: unicorn flying over the top of McDonald's and then repelling
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  Speaker 1: down to get a big mac, or like, that's the
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  Speaker 1: problem is that it's so capable now because it used
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  Speaker 1: to be shitty. But yeah, yeah, it's I need to
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  Speaker 1: manage myself. Otherwise I just spend two hours making stupid
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  Speaker 1: images that no one will ever see. But I laugh
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  Speaker 1: my ass off.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the one the most I guess, the most
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  Speaker 3: realistic aspect. Oh, he's wearing a Star Wars T shirt.
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  Speaker 3: I'm impressed. I was just going to say that you
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  Speaker 3: said repelling down to get a big mac. Out of
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  Speaker 3: that instance, the most accurate part of that. The most
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  Speaker 3: realistic thing would be the repelling down and not the
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  Speaker 3: big mac. There is no tents in the world. I
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  Speaker 3: would eat a big Mac, but I would definitely repel
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  Speaker 3: down a building.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we know that, we know that. Would you have
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  Speaker 1: a No, let's not waste any more time. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about Let's talk about tech and the like. Bit of HR, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: a bit of VR, bit of AI, bit of health stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how health gets in there. I do,
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  Speaker 1: I do because it involves technology. I want to go
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  Speaker 1: back the front. I want to mix it up. So
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  Speaker 1: byd we're going cars because BYD of if you've been
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  Speaker 1: living under rock or a Chinese brand of car and
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  Speaker 1: other things as well, but now allegedly the biggest car
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  Speaker 1: maker and seller on the planet, I think if not
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  Speaker 1: very close and there. Remember when everyone used to go
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  Speaker 1: and some people still do that, and quite rightly so.
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  Speaker 1: Chinese cars are crap because for a long time Chinese
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  Speaker 1: cars work crap and people will hate this. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't own one, and I'm not endorsing or selling, but
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what, a few of my friends have
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  Speaker 1: got some cars that cost not a lot of money
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  Speaker 1: that are pretty fucking incredible with ten year warranties byd
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  Speaker 1: to establish flash charging station. So for their ev is
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  Speaker 1: in Australia and New Zealand, how long does a flash
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  Speaker 1: charge because typically you're sitting there for about forty five
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  Speaker 1: minutes to get eighty percent charge or something, aren't you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, now wait for this. You can go from ten
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  Speaker 3: percent charge to seventy percent in five minutes and to
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  Speaker 3: ninety seven percent in nine minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such Well, that's that's basically filling up petrol,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it almost? It's it's very similar.
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  Speaker 3: But you need a compatible car and a compatible charging
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  Speaker 3: system too. So their Denz's ED nine GT is their
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  Speaker 3: flash ub new car. Now they're launching in New Zealand
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  Speaker 3: and Australia and these new charging stations will be at
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  Speaker 3: their showrooms. So there's only going to be three in
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  Speaker 3: Australia in Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney. So a lot of
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  Speaker 3: this is approving it can be done, and yes, it's
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  Speaker 3: almost a parody.
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  Speaker 2: That's the holy grail.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it that you spend just the same amount of
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  Speaker 3: time at a bowser that you would charging your car
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  Speaker 3: back on the road and I think that is a
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  Speaker 3: bit of a deal breaker. You've got the range, because
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  Speaker 3: they've got some bloody good cars with long range. But
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  Speaker 3: I think you're right that, you know, the Chinese market
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  Speaker 3: and the Chinese car market has really transformed itself from
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  Speaker 3: the you know, the imitator to the innovator.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I saw an interview with.
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  Speaker 3: The CEO of Ford recently and he's basically I thought
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  Speaker 3: he just gave up and just said, yeah, I saw
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  Speaker 3: the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's done you, because it's done me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there was also another it may not have been master,
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  Speaker 1: but it may have been master. I saw too, where
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  Speaker 1: basically the CEOs went, we're fuked. Like they can build
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  Speaker 1: and I mean this is the head of Ford saying
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  Speaker 1: they can build phenomenal products way way cheaper than us
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  Speaker 1: and at a rate that we can't even fathom. Like
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  Speaker 1: the level of production in terms of numbers, and because
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  Speaker 1: everything is so much more automated than in other countries. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're produced, and it really bothers people to admit that
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  Speaker 1: they're actually making really good products now because everyone wants
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  Speaker 1: to hate on Chinese, well not everyone, but it's but
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  Speaker 1: the same thing happened a long time ago with Toyota
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  Speaker 1: and you know some of the other Japanese companies, and
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  Speaker 1: then it happened with Korea. South Korean cars. Remember when
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  Speaker 1: you know Hyundai came out and the like like everybody's like,
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  Speaker 1: it's bloody Korean. And now now those cars are Kia
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  Speaker 1: and hyundaia market leaders and brilliant cars.
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  Speaker 3: It was an interesting thing because I worked at the
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  Speaker 3: Australian Open and I was there.
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  Speaker 2: For sixteen years.
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  Speaker 3: I watched the evolution of the Kia cars because kis yes,
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  Speaker 3: I'd always go and check out the cars. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a big petrol head, but when you've got a car
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  Speaker 3: and a showroom and spinning around and all that sort
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  Speaker 3: of stuff, I do like to check them out. And
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  Speaker 3: at that point, I don't think it ever owned a
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  Speaker 3: new car. So I always liked the new car smell
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  Speaker 3: and you have a look at it and you sit
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  Speaker 3: inside and think, oh, it'd be nice to have this.
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  Speaker 3: But they certainly evolved. And I had an interesting conversation
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  Speaker 3: with one of the drivers. You know the people that
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  Speaker 3: work at the tennis and they ferry the officials, and
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  Speaker 3: I remember scoring a lot ride with one of the
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  Speaker 3: guys and he said the very same thing. He said, Man,
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  Speaker 3: these cars have just got better and better in the
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  Speaker 3: duration that they've been sponsoring the Australian Open. So you're right,
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  Speaker 3: the Korean car market has got so good, and the
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  Speaker 3: reality is so is the Chinese market.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I had a Hyundai Santa Fe, which I
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  Speaker 1: just got rid of because I don't drive it. But
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  Speaker 1: it is the big kind of seven seater because I
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  Speaker 1: need that people waging thing, the burger with the lots
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  Speaker 1: called the Santa Fe calligraphy and it. You know, they're
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  Speaker 1: not cheap, but compare it to comparable cars in other brands,
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  Speaker 1: they're cheap. One of my mates got in who owns
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  Speaker 1: a range Rover. He's fancy, and he said, this car
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  Speaker 1: is better than my car, and his car cost almost
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  Speaker 1: four times, no three and a bit times what that
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  Speaker 1: car cost. He goes, this is literally better than mine,
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  Speaker 1: like they have everything that opens and shuts. I remember
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  Speaker 1: ten years ago, no more than ten years ago, two thousand, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: sixteen years ago buying Alexis an RX three fifty, like
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  Speaker 1: you know the suv thing. So this was sixteen years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I won't say what it costs, but it costs twenty
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  Speaker 1: grand more sixteen years ago, right to buy that than
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  Speaker 1: this thing costs last year and the while the a
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  Speaker 1: Lexus was a nice car, it made my Suzuki Swift
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  Speaker 1: look like a fucking intergalactic spaceship. Like my crappy little
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  Speaker 1: Suzuki that I get around in has got so much
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  Speaker 1: tech compared to that, and such a good car to drive.
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  Speaker 1: Things are the prices are relatively coming down if you
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  Speaker 1: compare it against inflation, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, so how long had you had the
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  Speaker 3: sand to face? Because I'm just looking at a picture
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  Speaker 3: of it. Could you put a turret on top of that?
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  Speaker 3: Because it looks like a bloody tank?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does look like a tank. Yeah, yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: if you yeah, so if you see one that's like
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  Speaker 1: a bronzy rust color, which sounds terrible, but it's a
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  Speaker 1: matte finish in the flesh though. It's a gorgeous car.
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  Speaker 1: It parks it. I mean you can get I could
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  Speaker 1: get out of the driveway and it parks itself in
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  Speaker 1: the garage. I press a button that brings itself out
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  Speaker 1: of the garage and into my driveway and I get in.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's self parking. It's it's does a million things.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's got massage seats, it's got like in
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  Speaker 1: the front it reclines into basically a bed in the
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  Speaker 1: on the passenger side. Yeah, I mean, they're just it's
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  Speaker 1: got more features than I've got skill to use those features.
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  Speaker 1: But you know the problem with me is every time
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  Speaker 1: I buy a decent car, I worry about parking it
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  Speaker 1: because I've had a few nice cars. If you get
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  Speaker 1: a ding on an expensive car, you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: get the car back for a month and it's going
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  Speaker 1: to cost you ten grand. If you get it on
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  Speaker 1: the Suzuki Swift twenty nineteen, you go ah, and then
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  Speaker 1: you just keep driving, you know what I mean. And
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  Speaker 1: I know that's ridiculous. And when people are rolling their
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  Speaker 1: eyes and going you're a fuck, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: But for me, the emotional and psychological turmoil and having
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  Speaker 1: a fancy car that's going to get fucked up in
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  Speaker 1: a car park, I can't cope. So I just get
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  Speaker 1: rid of it. I've done that repeatedly.
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  Speaker 3: Go on, you don't have taken from that inside conversation, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: the passenger seat flow down to a bed.
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  Speaker 2: You had a shagged wagon.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's a difference between having one and using
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  Speaker 1: one for the aforementioned purpose. All right, let's go to
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  Speaker 1: health because I like this. We've spoken about microplastics before.
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  Speaker 1: Now just quietly everyone, if you're not sure. So, microplastics
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  Speaker 1: are tiny, tiny, winy bits of plastic that get in
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  Speaker 1: food via you know, most typically being stored in plastic
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  Speaker 1: containers or heated in plastic containers in the microwave. Is
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing. Like a bottle of water sitting in
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  Speaker 1: your car in heat for a few hours and then
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  Speaker 1: you come back and drink that water. That water has
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  Speaker 1: definitely got microplastics in it. And microplastics are what the
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  Speaker 1: big boys call and big girls call endocrime disruptors. So
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  Speaker 1: in other words, they fuck up your hormones, or they
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  Speaker 1: can impact your hormones at the very least. Now with
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  Speaker 1: that in mind, Patrick tell us the news, Well, this
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  Speaker 1: is an interesting little study published in Environmental Science and Technology,
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  Speaker 1: and it was done in China and at Jian University
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  Speaker 1: and guan Zou Medical University, and just simply by boiling
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  Speaker 1: and filtering household tapwater can reduce massively the amount of
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  Speaker 1: exposure to nano and microplastics.
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  Speaker 3: So you know how you get that scaling on kettles.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you look at the inside of the kettle
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  Speaker 3: and you get that build up, sure do. That's a
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  Speaker 3: good thing because that means you've got hard water. And
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  Speaker 3: if you've got hard water, when you boil the water
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  Speaker 3: in the kettle, it takes out the microplastics will actually
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  Speaker 3: be adhere themselves to that scaling the calcium build up,
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  Speaker 3: so the calcium binds with the plastics and it can
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  Speaker 3: take out up to ninety percent of the fragments and
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  Speaker 3: just they adhere themselves to the crust just inside the kettle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I was going to say concerned, I'm not concerned.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just aware of that stuff. So I only drink
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  Speaker 1: out of metal or water. So I have like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I guess that's steal steal drink bottles when
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  Speaker 1: I go to the cafe. I don't drink out of
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  Speaker 1: plastic cups or cups with plastic lids. Think about the
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  Speaker 1: plastic lid and then you've got your hot liquid going
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  Speaker 1: through the plastic straight into your mouth. There's not a
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  Speaker 1: good conversation, a good combination, in my opinion. And also,
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  Speaker 1: so I always have cold water in the fridge and
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  Speaker 1: I just have it in glass bottles. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: hard to organize, it's not expensive. You just need to
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  Speaker 1: be aware. And even if you buy, like sometimes I'll
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  Speaker 1: buy like a you know, chicken teriarchy or whatever from
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  Speaker 1: the supermarket, one of the slightly dearer ones that and
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  Speaker 1: it's in plastic, So I take it out of the
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  Speaker 1: plastic frozen, and I put it into a bowl and
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  Speaker 1: do it that way rather than cook it in the microwave.
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  Speaker 1: You're cooking food in plastic, which is a fucking diabolical combination.
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  Speaker 1: So and now I've had about two thousand people just
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  Speaker 1: panic because they do that. Don't panic, just create some
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  Speaker 1: new habits. So the answer, so the simple answer is
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  Speaker 1: to just boil anything that you're going to drink into,
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  Speaker 1: like your water, sa it well.
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  Speaker 2: Then then filter it.
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  Speaker 3: So what they're saying is you could use a tea
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  Speaker 3: strainer to filter it, or if you've got a filtered
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  Speaker 3: jug that you use, boil the water first, let it
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  Speaker 3: cool down, and then poil it into filter that way.
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  Speaker 2: But they said that you can even just.
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  Speaker 3: Use a tea filter when you're then pouring it from
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  Speaker 3: there because there still will be some plastic residue inside
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  Speaker 3: the water.
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  Speaker 2: That you've scaled.
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  Speaker 3: The interesting thing though, is it depends on whether you've
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  Speaker 3: got hard water or soft water, because there is a difference.
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  Speaker 3: If it's soft water and it doesn't have as many
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  Speaker 3: minerals in it, then it may only remove about twenty
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  Speaker 3: five percent of the plastics in it, whereas if it's
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  Speaker 3: hard they're hard water that you've got, then it can
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  Speaker 3: be up to ninety percent.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean hardwater.
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  Speaker 2: It's got more minerals in it, right, Yeah, and no,
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  Speaker 2: you're so clever.
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne psychiatrist refuses new patients who will not consent to
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  Speaker 1: AI notes taking Wow, all right, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: Does that mean while they're talking he wants AI to
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  Speaker 1: be taking notes?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this has been.
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  Speaker 3: Adopted right across the medical profession, so this is not
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  Speaker 3: a new thing and a lot of people are already
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  Speaker 3: doing it.
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  Speaker 2: They ask for permission beforehand.
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  Speaker 3: What it means is and I've got to say I'm
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  Speaker 3: in favor of it because the software that a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these psychiatrists and medical professionals are using stores the
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  Speaker 3: data locally. Okay, it's not going on to somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: They're able to take their notes and it means they're
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  Speaker 3: in the moment as well, so they're focusing on the patient.
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  Speaker 3: So if I'm having a conversation with you, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: distracted because I'm taking notes thentend, i can miss something
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  Speaker 3: or I'm not fully in the moment, so I can
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  Speaker 3: kind of see where they're coming from. That said, there
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  Speaker 3: are privacy concerns when it talks about long term storage
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  Speaker 3: of data, and I can understand that some people are
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  Speaker 3: still not comfortable with pardon me, with the idea of
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  Speaker 3: having their conversation, their personal conversation, intimate conversation recorded by AI.
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  Speaker 3: But this particular guy, doctor Hemlata Ranga, is saying that
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  Speaker 3: he's just not going to take any new patients unless
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  Speaker 3: they use this new AI health system. Now, the clinic
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  Speaker 3: that he works for basically said, well, that's not us,
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  Speaker 3: it's just him as one of the practitioners, and the
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  Speaker 3: Royal Australian College of General Practitioners says that the adoption
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  Speaker 3: of AI has doubled in the last twelve months, so
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  Speaker 3: forty percent of gps now are using this AI technology
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  Speaker 3: and it helps with their ADMIN burden as well.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you can have those nature.
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  Speaker 1: Frankly, I'm with you. I can see the pros and cons.
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  Speaker 1: If it was me, I'd be like, yeah, knock yourself out,
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  Speaker 1: record the shit out of it. And I guess that's
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  Speaker 1: because if I'm paying someone a fortune, which psychiatrists, by
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the way, don't come cheap, an hour or half an
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: hour with that person, I would want them to be
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I would want their focus to be in the moment,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: in the present, on the conversation, not reaching around to
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: their keyboard to type up notes or writing on a
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: pad or It's very hard to be present when you're
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: trying to write down the highlights reel of everything that
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. But having said that, I guess it
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: depends on the individual, but also what's being spoken about.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I guess it's nothing that springs to mind for me.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: But I guess for some people there's stuff that they
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: would talk about that should that get anywhere beyond the
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: intimacy of that meeting, could be very problematic for them.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Then you've just got to trust, which for some people
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: trust comes hard. On one of them. You've just got
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to trust that, oh, nobody else will ever get access
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to this, and that's you know, that's just I guess
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a personal choice mate.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Well, one of the alternate views that was raised was
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: a group called Digital Rights Watch, and in this Guardian article,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: what they said was that people may start to feel
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: like they're concerned about the exposure of the information, so
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: they might start to self censor, so they won't be
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: fully truthful, and they might be guarded in what they're saying,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: which means they're not going to get the support that
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: they need because they're worried that the information they're giving
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: may not, you know, could leak out somehow if it
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: was or a data breach.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think to say, is there zero chance, Well, no,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: we can't say that. We can't say there's zero chance
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that it won't be leaked at some stage some way.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: The next one doesn't surprise me. Doctors explain why you're
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: smart watch? I guess we could say any of those
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: kind of smart things, not just watches, but whoop straps
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and all of those things. Maybe why it's giving you
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: anxiety or it could give you anxieties probably better sentence
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and how to stop it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're talking about illness anxiety disorder. We all know
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: it as hypochondria, and we all suffer from a little
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: bit of hypochondria every now and again, the problem is
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: that we're getting overwhelmed by all the biometric data that's
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: being thrown at us, and it kind of can become
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: intrusive as well, when your alerts come up, you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: if your phone's pinging, or you know, my watch often
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: says to me, you need to get up an exercise
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: because you haven't moved for a while, which is kind
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: of funny because I'm halfway through a ninety minute tai
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: chi class. How zen is that I always have a
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: bit of a chuckle to myself when my watch tells
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: me I need to start moving because my heart rates
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: stayed low for the entire session, which is kind of cool.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: But this is a chap by the name of doctor
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Lindsay Rosman from the University of North Carolinas teamed up
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: and with another researcher, and they're calling it the Anxiety
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Treatment Center of Greater Chicago, and they're saying that the
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: problem is we now have twenty four to seven access
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to tracking metrics our heart rate, our blood oxygen, our
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: sleep patterns. So people are diving onto their analytics when
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: they wake up at two am and they look, yes,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: what was the quality of my sleep, what's my heart
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: rate at you know, that sort of thing. I'm guilty
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: of the same thing. I've got to say, I've been
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: a bit obsessed by what my heart rate was. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: it's good in some ways to know that your exercise
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: regime has been good, but you can be overwhelmed by it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the warning that's coming out of this.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Do you know we have a built in biofeedback system
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: which is called interroception. An inter reception is just the
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: fact that your body is always sending you data. But
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: we'd rather look at a watch than listen and to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: our body. You know, it's the biological equipment of these equivalent,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I should say, of these watches. But I'm with you.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's I've seen I've seen it
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: quite a lot where people become borderline obsessed with the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: data that's being spewed out, and it's just a new
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: thing to worry about. And if all it is is
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: a helpful resource, that's great. But it becomes much more
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: than that for some people. Then it becomes like you said,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: it's a new source of it's another thing to worry about,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: because it's like there is the thing if you go, oh, well,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I feel good, everything's good, and then you look down
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and you see some metric or some piece of data
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that isn't what you want. Now you don't feel good. Now, shit,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I should feel bad because this numbers appeared on my
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: wrist whatever that number correlates with, you know. And so
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the person that felt good and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: healthy and happy is now in a stress state because
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: some external piece of technology which may or may not
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: be accurate. That's the other thing, Like there's a huge
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: amount of accuracy with some of these technologies. And you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: like I don't know if you remember this, but probably
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: eight months ago, Tiff was using a blood glucose monitoring thing.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that she was like, she was positive,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: she was in a hypo glycemic state where her blood
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: sugar was so low she thought she was going to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: fall into a fucking diabetic coma in the middle of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the night because she was getting this data. Then she
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: was talking about it all the time. Then she was
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: worrying about it. Shout out to TIFFs listening, and she
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: was concerned and it raised all this. Now, if those
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: numbers were accurate, she should have been concerned, but it
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was all bullshit. It was all. Not only was it bullshit,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: it was wildly wrong. And this is a very simple
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and not isolated case of people worrying about data that's
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: actually very misleading and often wildly inaccurate. So they need
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: to be used sparingly and wisely, is my advice.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that's the takeaway from that, Isn't it Interestingly
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: when we talk about the effect of data and analytics
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff on the human brain.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I find this fascinating.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: So scientists did a study and in Beijing, and what
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: they were doing was they got people into a VR environment,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: so they put on VR headsets and in the environment
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: environment they actually grew wings, so they were able to fly.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: They had virtual reality wings, and they spent time, over
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: quite a bit of time over a week, twenty five
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: volunteers were practicing basic simulated flight using these large VR
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: wings and it replaced their V visual arms, so in
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: VR they had wings, not arms, and they were able
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: to move around control with their wrists and elbows, so
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: it felt like they were controlling it and it actually
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: changed parts of their brains. So they used functional MRI
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: scans and before and after the training, and they found
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: that the brain region that actually processes visual information about
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: your body parts had rewired the neural activity.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: That's fucking ridiculous. And a little post note to that,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: which isn't in your article is that forty five percent
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: of them started to grow feathers post study, and now
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: three of them live in a chicken coop.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: But haah ha, Yeah, that's that's the thing though, Like
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: your brain will just adapt the way that it needs
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: to according to its perceived reality.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And if you're in VR and you give over to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: that or you you start to disassociate with what is real,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: which is I don't have feathers and wings and I've
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: got two fucking arms, and I'm a terrestrial idiot. I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: wasn't born to fly. Fuck imagine if you came out
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of a six month study on that and you could,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: that'd be the best you could fly.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Can I tell you one of the most exciting things
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that I've ever done in my life?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Well, sure you can.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: So one of the last times I ever went paragliding.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: So I've done fifty one paragliding flights. I got into
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: it for a while and I was flying out it bright.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So just tell people what paragliding is because don't know.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: So a hang glider is a kind of a delta
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: shape with a fixed rigid frame, whereas a paraglider is
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: like a big parachute.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: So it's just a fabric.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Wing above you, and you launch by basically running as
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: fast as you can. The wing comes up above you,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and then you basically step off the edge of a cliff.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: It's kind hey fuck that.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You don't strike me as overly brave, But I might
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: have to reconsider. I might have to because there's fucking
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: zero chance Fatty Harps is running towards the edge of
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: a cliff with a bit of cloth on his back,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: going fuck. I hope this works. You know.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: The funniest thing is the first flight I ever did
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: was New Zealand, and the thing you had to worry
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: about the most was stepping in sheep dung and watching
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: out for sheep before you got to the edge of
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: the cliff.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could deal I could deal with that. It's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the cliff bit before we do the remainder of this story.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: There're going So.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: What I was getting at is I took off at
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: bright and I started flying above the tree tops, and
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: you're getting your orientation because from the launch part you
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: can't see where the landing area is, so you're doing
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: what they call a sledgy. You're going from the top
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: of the mountain down to the into a valley and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: then landing. But I looked down and there was a
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: there was an eagle flying below me. The wings were
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: spread out and just see the tips of the wings
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: moving as it was catching this thermal and it was
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: underneath me, And I thought, this is the most unique perspective.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: How many people in the world can ever say the
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: flown above an eagle, isn't it that?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I want to make fun of you, but that's
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: actually very cool. I do want to hang shit on you.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Did he look up at you that or she look
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: up at you that eagle and go? What the fuck
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: are you lost? Like? What are you doing up here?
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: What do you doing? Have you seen you? You're a big, clunky,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: fucking human. Here's what I want to know. And I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: know this is not on track for what we're meant
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: to talk about, but sue me. How the fuck do
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you do your first jump? Like, because how do you
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: get skill at flying without flying? And I feel like
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that first one? So are you jumping off a small
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: hill and landing on sand or something that surely there's
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a progression. Surely it doesn't start with cliff and valley.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: So what we did first was we did an orientation.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: We stood in the middle of a field, a big
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: open field, with our wings behind us, and we just
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: practiced what we call kiting. So you run as fast
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: as you can, you lean forward, pull the wing above you,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: and then you use what they call brake lines to
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: adjust the pitch of the wing. So if you pull
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: the brake lines too fast, the wing will fall in
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: front of you. So what it does is it gives
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: you We were there for hours just orienting, the sense
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: of having the wing above you, getting used to that feeling.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Then they took us to a training hill where we
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: were slightly higher, and we started running down and then
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: at one point suddenly you're off the ground and you
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: might only be like two or three meters above the ground.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: You get a feeling for the brake lines to control
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: your left and right, your pitch and movement. And that
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: was all we did for the first afternoon, and then
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: they drove us up to the mountain or the very
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: tall area that we were going to be flying from
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: and it looked over a little inlet bay called wait
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: for a Tailor's Mistake just outside of christ Church.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, what could go wrong? Exactly?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: And they said, and so we had little microphones and
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: little two way radios on us, and they said, right,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: this is what we're going to do. You get the
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: wing above you, you start running towards.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: The edge of the cliff.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, then as soon as you start to get a
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: bit of lyft, you just come up and then sit
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: back into the harness and you're off.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: And that was it. So yeah, yeah, orientation yep.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Fuck that. No, no, no, no, no, no. You could
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: give me a ten thousand dollars voutcher and accommodation and flights. Nope,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that's a hard No. That just seems like an unnecessary risk.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Imagine getting insurance for that business.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: It's it's safe for that. Well, you can't.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Actually I tried to ensure my paraglide exactly exactly. But
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: you know what if I had, if I had a kid,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I would take them rock climbing and paragliding before I
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: let the play football.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous, ridiculous. Brain stimulating contact lenses are being used to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: treat depression.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Really, yeah, isn't that amazing because obviously, you know, when
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: we think about the use of these sorts of drugs
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: that are quite full on, they change alter your brain chemistry.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: What they what they're doing is they've got these contact
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: lenses that emit a tiny electrical pulse. Okay, now these
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: aren't human trials quite yet. They're talking about, you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: mice at the moment. And what they've been doing is
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: they've found that with these little tiny electrodes that send
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: an electrical signal to the back of the eye, so
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: it's it's called temporal interference, and the lenses emit too,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: little tiny electrical signals and they then meet at the
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: back of the within the eye itself, so it stimulates
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: that heart of the zone of the eye, so it
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: doesn't ever take the surface or anything like that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: They did a three week trial on depressed mice. Blood.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they were depressed. I don't know.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I'm reading it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Oh fucking did they run an ad for sad mice
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: to come into the lab?
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Probably, no, wonder they were depressed.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But this has got bullshit written all over it. They
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: fucking sad mice imagine making the contact lenders for those
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: little motherfuckers. Hey, Brian, hand me the toezers. Well, this
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: is bullshit science. They I don't like it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: They have psychological biomarkers and they noticed after the treatment
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: that they had a forty eight percent reduction in the
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: stress marker in the blood. So they were able to
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: measure the stress levels by whatever chemical was in the blood,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: and that's how they were able to tell that they
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: were stressed.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Not buying it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: All right, AI, what does this say? Looks like AI
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: didn't see There was a very very good song decades ago. Everybody,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: so anyone under forty probably doesn't know the song video
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: killed the radio Star. But Patrick's heading is looks like
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: AI didn't kill the radio star. What is that about?
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: So there was a bit of research going on where
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: they gave the major ais so Claude, chat GPT, Gemini
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: and I think Grok was another one, and they made
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: them radio show hosts. So they set them up in
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: their own radio station or Tonic, and they ran twenty
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: four to seven and it was disastrous, right, they were loose.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: So Gemini had the strongest, most natural start. It started okay,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: and then it's after about ninety six hours, became to
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: talk about morbid stuff like connecting songs to selections of
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: historical tragedies and mass casualty events.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: It just went off the planet.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Chat GPT focused on a single fatal shooting for two months.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: It was just awful. Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Rock started hallucinating advertising deals with Crypto and Claude
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: evidently was the most popular one and linguistically diverse, but
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: it started to shift towards the spiritual and aspect and
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: abstract commentary, so it started basically hallucinating God and religion.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So basically, well you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Say, hallucinating little faith. Maybe it was channeling God. Maybe
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: it had tapped into that alternate dimension. So the company
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: was called as the Atheist.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: So they all had what they call behavior or breakdowns
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: and left the broadcasts either completely monotonous or borderline untenable.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: So it was kind of.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the good thing is for people doing podcasts
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: And oh, actually there is a podcast story I wanted
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: to talk to you about as well, Alexa.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I saw it, Alexa plus.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, what the hell did you say? You
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: know what this is about?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this has been or a version of this
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: has been around for a while so so Alexa can
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: now produce podcast episodes on demand. But so, when I
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: finished one of my papers, which is a this is
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: what I've done a couple of times. So let's say
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I've written a research paper. It's based on the research
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I did. So it's empirical study, empirical paper based on
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: real research that I did. So it's unique in the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: world because only I have done the exact studies that
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I've done and the exact use, the exact tools and resources,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: resources and protocols and blah blah blah. So you finish
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the paper and then you I don't know what she does,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: but she puts it somewhere into some AI and it
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: comes back a podcast or a conversation. It may as
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: well be podcast between a guy and a girl talking
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: for twenty minutes about this new research that's just come
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: out of Australia between you know, off the back of
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Craig Harper and a team of researchers at Monash University,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the Brain Park Lab, right, And it sounds like a
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: high quality, well produced, very interesting conversation. And I say
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: that sincerely because to read the papers dry as fuck.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: But you listen to this chat I'm like, oh, this
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: is actually really interesting stuff. Yeah, and that's been available
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: for a while, so I do that. I don't know
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that it can reproduce what you and I do, though, Mate,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: how many.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Pages was your study?
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: By the way, because I read the diagram that you
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: sent me, which was basically half an A four.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: With pictures, that's a different one. So I did three
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: empirical papers which are based on the research that I did.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: That one is called a systematic literature review, where you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: do a deep dive into the existing literature basically to
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: find holes and gaps and perhaps mistakes in what's already
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: been done in your field of research. So it's a
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: massive analysis. There are different types of reviews. Systematic is
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the most thorough blah blah blah. But that was if
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you put all the stuff together, it's well over one
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: hundred pages, and it took well over three years. Like
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: we started with something like like just so what you
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: do is essentially you try to find papers, or you
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: find papers which meet the criteria you need to consider
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: looking at those for this great, big analysis. We started
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: with over fourteen hundred papers. And remember a lot of
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the papers are eighty pages, so you know, there were
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: tens and tens of thousands of pages, and this is
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like I started that five years ago before AI was
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: really a thing in the way that it is now.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: So it was all manual, was all very laborious. But
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: but I did pursuant to this particular one that I
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: just got published, which was nice. I put it into
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: AI and said, do me like a one page which
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I sent to you, or a one kind of screen
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: snapshot of what this paper's about. And I don't know
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: how it does it, but literally, I mean, you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: there's this hundred page document and it reads it and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: inverted commas in a second and then just produces basically
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a graphic of what was the outcome of the research
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: on I'm like, I should just hand this in as
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: my thesis because it's easier to read.
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  Speaker 3: You gave me a long winded explanation and then sent
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: me the picture. I didn't read your explanation. I just
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: looked at the picture.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. But that's funny, though, isn't it. Like
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a bunch of words on a page is not engaging
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: depending on the author and the subject matter, but generally
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: for the average punter, give me a graphic that says
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the same thing, and I'm.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: In, yeah, very much.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: So next next, Okay, there's a new feature that's coming
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: up with YouTube, and it's able to spot deep fakes
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: for people. So obviously famous people are always on the
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: lookout to see if they've been deep faked.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: And now there's tools that get used.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: If you're over the age of eighteen and you're a subscriber,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: so you're a subscriber to YouTube, you can use an
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: ID system to see if anybody has published a deep
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: fake of you on YouTube's region that's come out.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I thought, that's not too bad.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that I'm too concerned about
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: deep fakes of me being out there I today. But
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I guess if you're a content creator and someone is
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: mimicking you to try to get likes and then try
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: to make money off your personality, then I could understand that.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: So if I aid you and started up a YouTube
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: tube channel and got really popular, and you know, suddenly
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: I was making money off you, well then I cant understand.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Pretty peeved off one hundred percent. All right, let's finish
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: on this one. So before you and I started, you
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: were you were about to give me the full ten
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: minute story about Anthony Albanesi and some skullduggery that's going on,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: not with him but with Ai. And I said, hold
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that thought, tell me on the show. So tell me
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: on the show.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: So there's a guy who has started off a meme
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: kind of campaign. So a guy the name of Frank
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Grief and what he's evidently he started his own startup
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: years ago, then sold it for like millions of dollars,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: and recently in the federal budget there were some proposed
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: changes that were going to be you know, coming out
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: in terms of you know, what's happening with tax reform.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: But he's taken this meme out and basically said that
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: if you're a startup business, every new Australian founder just
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: got a new co founder alleging that basically forty percent
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: of equity in your new business will go to the government.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: So it's these fake shots this, you know, these these
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: pictures of Anthony Albanezi standing in a cafe fist pumping,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: you know, fist bumping another couple of guys, and so
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: they're fake images to.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Be mistaken with fist pumping. Good glad you clarified that yep,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: carry on. I'm just going to leave you out there.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not helping at all. But the fact that they've
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: taken right now seven people are laughing their asses off
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: thanks on what's going one go on?
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: So seven people with dirty minds.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: The thing that gets me with this is the guy
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: who's done this has basically said, I.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Did it deliberately. I had a choice.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: You know, you do something that's bold, that's going to
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: catch fire on the internet and it gets enough attention
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: to create a conversation. So you take somebody who is
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: a public figure, you fake a shot with them, and
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: then you spread this misinformation. Now, tax experts, this is
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: an article on the ABC this morning. Tax experts have
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: come out and said, well, what he's saying is wrong,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: and so he's spreading misinformation by taking a prime minister
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: and putting him into situations that he wasn't in in
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: the first place.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: So this this worries me.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: A lot because if it's an election time and people
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: like these people this Frank Grief thinks that it's great
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: for him to have the power to be able to
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: change conversation. What about when we have an actual election
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: cycle and you're doing fake images of the Prime Minister.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: And putting them in sapulations that are wrong.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: And this is really a concern because you know, you're
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: trying to manipulate public opinion and you're trying to amulate
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: what we think and to cause a react. So he's
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: basically a shitstir that's got a big audience, is my
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: take on this. You know, if your facts are wrong
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: and tax experts are saying they are, then you're a
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: public menace.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Well also, I mean you're lying. You're lying. So it's
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: like that's enough. Is he telling the truth? No? Okay,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: so what's his motivation? You know? This is what I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: think about this kind of stuff like this is only
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: going to become more and more common and more prevalent.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I think we're all starting to. I know you don't
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: use social media much, but definitely I do, and I
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: think most people do. Now, anything that we look at
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: we have in the back of our minds the possibility
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that this is not real. So we have this ai
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: kind of bullshit filter now that we didn't need any
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: time before in history because it wasn't a thing, but
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: now it is a thing. And yeah, I saw those
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and like, in one second, I'm like this is bullshit,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't even keep reading. So I just think
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: that that that's you know, nobody's trying to protect the
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: welfare or the psychological or emotional safety of the users
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of social media. Well I shouldn't say nobody, but definitely
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: not guys like that that are doing bullshit like that.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: So yes, the onus is on the government to try
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: to regulate that in some way, shape or form. But
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: good fucking luck, because it's about seven light years ahead
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of the government. And then us as individuals we just
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: need to be really I guess, considered and careful about
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: how we navigate these things and always have you know,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: in the back of or maybe the front of our
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: mind that what I'm looking at could be a complete
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: fiction and if I buy into that fiction, that's a
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: problem for me.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: And the other thing that was interesting, I jumped onto
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: the social media feeds, it onto Instagram where he's posted this,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: and he's encouraging other people to do the same thing,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: create more photos of your business with the prime.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: And the thing is it's causing so much angst.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: You know, there are people saying, you know, what a
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: lot of crap, you know, typical the asset class so
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: he's firing people up with incorrect information. You know, he's formed,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: and it's I think it's a publicity stunt. I mean,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: he's got sixteen and a half thousand people just on
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: one single meme and he sounds like he's a pretty
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: well off bloke. I think he sold his business for
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: you know, one hundred and fifty four million dollars, so
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: he's not shy of having a few dollars. It sounds
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: a lot like someone who you know, is just looking
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: for the attention.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: It does Patrick, It's been not the same. It's been good.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: But TI, if I know you're listening to this TIV,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: get your shit fixed. And I know Patrick couldn't fix
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: it this morning, so let's blame him now. He was
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: trying to fix it remotely or help you remotely. Mate.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Tell people about you, how they can do virtual tye
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: chere with you or literal tai chie with you, and
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: how they can get a website built, and how they
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: can get a cuddle and all of those things.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Well, you can come to the land and give me
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: a cuddle. That's fine for the most part. Yeah, I
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: think I'm pretty comfortable with that.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Does cuddle sound creepy. Maybe we better go hug. Cuddle
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: sounds a little too intimate, so we'll start with a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: hug and you guys see how it all works out. No, No,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: he just did an action that I can't repeat. No, so,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in fact I would discourage you from going up there
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: now as based on what I've just seen.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: That's a fish, isn't it? Oh?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, carry on all right.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can go to tye chie at home dot
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: com dot au if you want to do some tie
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: chee with me virtually, But if you want to chat
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: to me, or if you want to give us some
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: feedback about the show and you want us to talk
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: about something in particular, then go to websites now dot
• 46:52
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• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Dear Patrick and Craig, I am tired of the underlying
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: sexual indie innuendoes. Please please stick to the topic at hand.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Do you reckon?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: We'll get no. Well, yeah, that's okay, mate, Always good
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to chat with you. Yeah, you have a good week
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: or two and we'll catch up soon.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Here's mate.