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It Turns Out Blue Laws Aren't Entirely Terrible · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome
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Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always
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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. This is Ridiculous Histories blue
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Speaker 1: period sort of and there's no law against that. Does
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Speaker 1: that mean we're gonna swear? Does that mean we're gonna
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Speaker 1: get We're gonna we're gonna tell dirty jokes. We might
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Speaker 1: go some naughty limericks. Perhaps we'll see what our super producer,
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Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams, let's sneak through the edit. Uh, you're nol.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, I love I love that you're you're referencing
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Speaker 1: going blue. Can you tell everybody a little bit what
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Speaker 1: that is? They may not know. I I forget what
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Speaker 1: the actual etymology or the you know, providences of the expression.
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Speaker 1: But it's an old timey comedy term referring to doing
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Speaker 1: raunchy material. Um, I don't. I can't, for the life
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Speaker 1: of me remember where the blue part comes from. But
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Speaker 1: today we're talking about some other kind of blue parts
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Speaker 1: blue laws. Uh, and we do know where the blue
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Speaker 1: and that comes from, and we're gonna get to it.
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Speaker 1: It's stupider than you might think. And I always assume
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Speaker 1: that blue laws were maybe in some way connected to
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Speaker 1: the concept of like blue being a term for bad
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Speaker 1: or like you know, naughtiness and in sin and debauchery.
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Speaker 1: But um not the case, As is often the case,
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Speaker 1: It's something much more innocuous and kind of dull. But
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Speaker 1: the story itself neither innocuous nor dull. Right, Yeah, no
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Speaker 1: blue laws. If you are unfamiliar with the term, it
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Speaker 1: may be that you live outside of the United States,
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Speaker 1: or maybe you don't live in an area where blue
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Speaker 1: laws are a thing. But blue laws are often seen
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Speaker 1: as these kind of puritanical stipulations, right, these policies that
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Speaker 1: are meant to target vices or leisure or just having
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Speaker 1: a good time. And a lot of what we would
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Speaker 1: call blue laws or some descendant thereof, are still on
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Speaker 1: the books today. No full disclosure. The three of us
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Speaker 1: usually record ridiculous history from the fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: which is in the southeastern United States, which has a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a reputation both in our country and abroad.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't. Before we get into that reputation, I just
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Speaker 1: have to point out I was looking for where blue
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Speaker 1: comedy came from, and it's associated with the word rybaldry.
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Speaker 1: You know, the rybald humor is another word referring to
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Speaker 1: kind of body or or unchy comedy. And on the
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Speaker 1: Wikipedia page for it, here's a picture of just a
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Speaker 1: man like in a woman like you see on a
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Speaker 1: on a bathroom door, like the kind of like little
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Speaker 1: stick figure, and one has a heart on the woman's chest,
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Speaker 1: and you know, there's a heart on the man's uh
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Speaker 1: swimsuit area. And I guess that is that as a
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Speaker 1: graphic depicting what a sexual joke might represent. It's like
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Speaker 1: you're talking about it up here down there. That's best
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Speaker 1: ryeball baby, that's blue. And we don't go blue in
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Speaker 1: this town. And and that's the case. We we do
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Speaker 1: go blue though in in many towns in Georgia these
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Speaker 1: laws a lot of them have been phased out. But
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Speaker 1: I had an encounter myself that I think would be
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Speaker 1: a good tone setter here. It was on a Sunday.
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Speaker 1: I don't remember how it happened, but a wall got
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Speaker 1: punched through in a rental property. I don't remember exactly
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Speaker 1: what led to that, but we all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: needed to fix it very quickly, and so we went
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Speaker 1: to Walmart, which was open, and we made it all
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Speaker 1: the way to the checkout and we had like some
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Speaker 1: some you know wall fixed and stuff, and they wouldn't
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Speaker 1: sell it to us on a Sunday. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, what I don't understand. And they had
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Speaker 1: to explain to me what blue laws were, because it's
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Speaker 1: not just alcohol prohibition on right, which a lot of
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Speaker 1: people assume as as I did. It's it's it's all
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Speaker 1: kinds of other stuff. Is anything that would cause you
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Speaker 1: to not treat the Lord's Day as a proper day
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Speaker 1: of rest and repose and you know, holiness, and uh,
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Speaker 1: this coming from a very Christian culture at the time,
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Speaker 1: they thought of Sunday as the Lord's Day. That's right,
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Speaker 1: that's right, as opposed to Saturday. But the Saturday the
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Speaker 1: true Sabbathist. So also one other note about blue laws.
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Speaker 1: Uh we did find the etymology there. Well, I was
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Speaker 1: looking the same thing. The story that you hear most often.
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Speaker 1: This guy named Max Miller, like comedian from the very
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Speaker 1: like from the early nineteen hundreds. He apparently made the
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Speaker 1: phrase up because part of his act was that you
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Speaker 1: have two books, one that was a white book. This
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Speaker 1: is the family friendly jokes right, and when there was
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Speaker 1: a Blue Book and he would ask the audience to
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Speaker 1: choose which jokes they wanted to hear. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if that's true. And then it became the Kelly Blue
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Speaker 1: Book from there on and it had just you know,
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Speaker 1: resale prices for cars and the rest was history. And
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Speaker 1: those are hilarious again today you see comedy is cyclical. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because they're outlandishly incorrect. No one's getting anywhere close to
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Speaker 1: anything approximating a Kelly Blue Book value on reselling your car.
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Speaker 1: But I'm glad we cleared that up. That's helpful. Um,
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Speaker 1: back to the Blue Laws, Where did that name come from?
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Speaker 1: Why don't we just get that out of the way
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Speaker 1: since we're talking about the origins of blue things. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so this is actually an old idea. It's not. It's
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Speaker 1: not as if a bunch of Puritans in the US
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Speaker 1: just had a bad day. There were restrictions of this
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Speaker 1: sort all the way back to the twelve hundreds in England,
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Speaker 1: and colonial settlements were sort of redoing or adapting similar
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Speaker 1: laws in their own time, and then the early Blue
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Speaker 1: Laws as a result in New England were pretty extensive.
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Speaker 1: They banned all sorts of stuff. I love you to
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Speaker 1: point out it's not just alcohol, it's hunting, wearing shirt
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Speaker 1: sleeves that are overly lacy, and so on. And then
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Speaker 1: these laws got kind of grandfathered in. They became legacy
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Speaker 1: laws as the Union and the United States became a thing.
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Speaker 1: We think the name itself to your question, uh, most
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Speaker 1: likely derives from a guy named Samuel A. Peters who
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Speaker 1: wrote a General History of Connecticut in seventeen eighty one.
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Speaker 1: Spoiler it's not a huge, you know, edge of your
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Speaker 1: seat kind of kind of book, but the way for
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Speaker 1: the movie to come out, I hear the adaptation's gonna slap.
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Speaker 1: I think they got um Yahoo serious out of retirement
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Speaker 1: for this one. And if they can make a movie
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Speaker 1: about the cocaine Bear, I think they can probably make
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Speaker 1: a movie on Samuel A. Peter's General History of Connecticut,
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Speaker 1: right right. It's it's a it's inspired by it's a
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Speaker 1: LuSE reworking. There are a lot more robots uh in
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Speaker 1: the script, but hopefully yeah, well, I mean that guy
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Speaker 1: is blowing up his career. Is he's the next Yianu? Honestly?
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Speaker 1: Um so this in this thing, the General History of Connecticut,
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Speaker 1: the author claims to list all the Sabbath regulations of
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Speaker 1: New Haven, Connecticut, and the book itself. This is how
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Speaker 1: simple it is, is printed on blue paper. But that
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Speaker 1: that isn't a hundred percent the proven origin, right, There's
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Speaker 1: some other accounts and before less anyone uh pounce on me.
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Speaker 1: I was half joking when I referred to Saturday as
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Speaker 1: the true Sabbath, because obviously different religions recognized the Sabbath
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Speaker 1: on different days. It is the biblical Sabbath, Saturday. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think we I hope that everybody knows we're joking
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Speaker 1: on things like these. There's I mean, it's just gonna
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Speaker 1: ruin our fun if we have to say there probably
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Speaker 1: aren't a bunch of robots in a History of Connecticut.
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Speaker 1: In the film adaptation, which is by the Coen Brothers,
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Speaker 1: and they do have Javier Bardine playing at least one robot.
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Speaker 1: There's at least one robot integral to the plow. I
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Speaker 1: would have cast him as the cocaine bear personally, but
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Speaker 1: that's just me by some accounts. Yes, you are correct.
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Speaker 1: Britannica mentions that it was a blue wrapping rather than
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Speaker 1: the paper itself, like some sort of jacket. I guess
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Speaker 1: I'm picturing a file folder that's bloom. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what a really. A rapping is that accompanied printed documents
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Speaker 1: in lady teenth century, and there is some indication that
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Speaker 1: it may actually be connected to that version of blue
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Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, that Rye Baldry. You know
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Speaker 1: that body, naughty kind of behavior, humor or humor. You
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Speaker 1: know things that you might have read about in the
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Speaker 1: Canterbury Tales, for example, adultery, punication, blasphemy, alcohol consumption, chewing
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Speaker 1: tobacco and listen to the violet listening to the violin.
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the movie Footloose is about blue laws. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It definitely has a blue law vibe to it. I
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Speaker 1: guess dirty dancing too. We gotta thank Sarah L. Ziegler
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Speaker 1: over at Middle Tennessee State University. Shout out to you
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Speaker 1: Middle Tennessee for some of the alternate versions there. We
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Speaker 1: may not know the um specifics of how blue laws
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Speaker 1: became a thing in the United States or the etymology thereof,
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Speaker 1: but we do sure as heck know what they did.
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Speaker 1: They were pretty strict, and like you said, they their
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Speaker 1: their whole thing was to preserve what they saw is
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Speaker 1: the religious sanctity of Sunday and forbid people from working
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Speaker 1: on this holy day. Now, of course, a lot of
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Speaker 1: other like other religions and belief systems, have similar proscriptions,
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Speaker 1: you know, like U in Judaism, there's the idea that
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Speaker 1: one is not supposed to work on Saturday, right on
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Speaker 1: the Sabbath. So this didn't come out of a vacuum,
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Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. No, but it also is like
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Speaker 1: imposing it on everyone, whether here Christian or not pre
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Speaker 1: separation of church state. Well, fair enough, you're right. This
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Speaker 1: is the the mid to late seventeen hundreds. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was also up to the determination of a judge
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Speaker 1: without a trial by jury, as to whether someone was
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Speaker 1: guilty of breaking these these uh these blue laws. M m. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: things like married persons must live together or be imprisoned,
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Speaker 1: just the only options. Yeah, you would, just I guess
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Speaker 1: you would. I'm picturing some guy just saying I need
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Speaker 1: to be at work a lot, or I need to
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Speaker 1: be on traveling for work a lot. Maybe this is
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Speaker 1: the origin of the traveling salesman in the US. As
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Speaker 1: long as you check back in once a month, did
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Speaker 1: you still technically living together? That is my determination? As
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Speaker 1: the judge of this case. But also, yeah, what about
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Speaker 1: people living together unmarried? But that was frowned upon too, Yes,
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Speaker 1: that was that was most verily frowned upon and did
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Speaker 1: not create a smiling countenance. And the judge. Uh, why
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Speaker 1: am I picturing this judge like a Puritans at and
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Speaker 1: just like a perma very beginning of the witch, the
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Speaker 1: beginning of the witch. Maybe in the crucible too. Uh.
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Speaker 1: There are some things that are pretty bothersome. The selectman
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Speaker 1: on finding children ignorant may take them away from their
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Speaker 1: parents and put them into better hands at the expense
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Speaker 1: of the parents. Whoa what? What are what better hands?
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Speaker 1: Like an orphanage? What? What does the ignorant mean? At
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Speaker 1: this time? Ignorant might mean that they cannot quote specific
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Speaker 1: passages of the Bible. Right, oh my, this is so.
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Speaker 1: Your three year old has not memorized the entirety of
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Speaker 1: the Book of Matthew. It will be fifty gold pieces
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Speaker 1: for us to take your child away, or or you
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Speaker 1: are a witch. No, I really do want to This
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Speaker 1: is obviously for another time. But dig deeper and find
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Speaker 1: out what better hands met Probably did the care of
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Speaker 1: the church to something. I bet it was all about
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Speaker 1: religious education to your point, Bett, Yeah, yeah, because these
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Speaker 1: were uh you know, in a very real way. The
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Speaker 1: colonies were theocracies at times, right, at least the way
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Speaker 1: the government worked at the local community community government. Well again,
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Speaker 1: we see we do see that in the Witch, you know,
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Speaker 1: the very first scene. It's like about well actually, which
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Speaker 1: is kind of funny because, uh, the characters in the
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Speaker 1: Witch or the Father figure, he was too hardcore, right,
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Speaker 1: so devout that he was too devout for he was
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Speaker 1: too pure for the Puritans. And they were like, yo,
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Speaker 1: you gotta tone it down a notch for get out.
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Speaker 1: They have the chilly they asked him to take uh,
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Speaker 1: they asked him for a vibe check and just to
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Speaker 1: be more chill. And he says, you have no chi. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he said, you guys are basically idolatrousity. We never find
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Speaker 1: out the specific doctrine which he objects, but it is
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Speaker 1: very strongly implied that it's a small thing. But he's
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Speaker 1: so crazy about it. He's disrupting the community. He's the
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Speaker 1: problem exactly, like like he's shouting at people in the
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Speaker 1: streets and again you gotta I mean, wow, how hardcore
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Speaker 1: must you be for like the Puritan faith, not to
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Speaker 1: be hardcore enough for you. I bet it was one
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Speaker 1: of those things, like from them that excellent book A
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Speaker 1: Year of Living Biblically. I bet it was one of
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Speaker 1: those things of wearing like two different fabrics at the
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Speaker 1: same time. You know, one of those Old Testament things
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people have ignored, the hair start
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Speaker 1: kind of which is the scratchy garment that causes you
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Speaker 1: to constantly be uncomfortable. Therefore, in uh, in deference to God,
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Speaker 1: and to be fair, that guy had great hair in
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Speaker 1: the which was he a great person? No, but he
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Speaker 1: did have good hair. Uh. So let's be honest. Despite
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Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of people associate blue laws
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Speaker 1: to with more conservative areas of the American South, the
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Speaker 1: reality is that laws like this existed in all the colonies,
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Speaker 1: all the all the European colonies in the United States,
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Speaker 1: and most of them just fell out of use after
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Speaker 1: the American Revolution. People have bigger fish to fry, etcetera, etcetera.
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Speaker 1: But blue laws, specifically the ones regarding the sale of alcohol,
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Speaker 1: still stayed on the books until some of them until
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Speaker 1: the twenty one century, and their influence persisted. That's from Britannica.
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Speaker 1: But we should also we should also say one thing Britannic.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mention just to keep it with everybody. There
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Speaker 1: are a lot of laws quote unquote on the books
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Speaker 1: don't don't matter and are never enforced, and some of
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Speaker 1: those are literally is kind of like oversights. It's not
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Speaker 1: like anyone's like, we gotta keep these round because we
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Speaker 1: care so much if people, you know, use profanity in
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Speaker 1: front of a lady or spit on the sidewalk, you know,
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Speaker 1: but it just ends up. They just kind of gets
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Speaker 1: they stick around. We know, the wheels of government move
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Speaker 1: pretty slowly, and sometimes things just kind of if they're
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Speaker 1: not applicable, then there's really no concern about leaving them.
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Speaker 1: But that part of the Blue Laws certainly was applicable
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Speaker 1: because it specifically refers to a detail of commerce. You know,
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Speaker 1: something you can and can't sell and when you can
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Speaker 1: and can't sell it. So even if it was a
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Speaker 1: bit of a remnant, I think, I mean, it was
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Speaker 1: obviously left quite intentionally. You know, there was thought behind
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Speaker 1: leaving that one. Yeah, yeah, And that's you know, that's
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Speaker 1: a really good point because I think almost everybody in
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Speaker 1: the United States has a couple of examples of laws
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Speaker 1: that used to be on the books and maybe still
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Speaker 1: are but aren't enforced personally. For me, I like the
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Speaker 1: ones that are so specific it sounds like it happened
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Speaker 1: once and eat people out, like one guy was a
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Speaker 1: jerk about it. In Missouri for a long time there
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Speaker 1: was this. It might still be a law that specifically
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Speaker 1: says you can't drive down the highway with an uncaged
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Speaker 1: bear in your car. The bear. Yeah, so this um,
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Speaker 1: and then you have to share the road with cows
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Speaker 1: and places like Farmington, Illinois. Oh and uh in Orlando, Florida,
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Speaker 1: this is true. Uh, if you park your elephant at
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Speaker 1: a parking meter, you still have to pay. Uh. You
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Speaker 1: still have to pay the fee the way you would
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Speaker 1: for a car or any other obviously, so somebody did
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Speaker 1: someone go to court for that. That's just a matter
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Speaker 1: of decorum, if you ask me. That's a decent manners. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I we'll get to some more of these later.
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Speaker 1: But there are still some absurd blue law type deals
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Speaker 1: that remain on the books. And one of I think
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Speaker 1: my favorite ones is that like in Wisconsin, like all
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Speaker 1: cheese is required to be delightful or something like that. Max,
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Speaker 1: I think you found this one what was it? Oh,
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Speaker 1: giving credence to its reputation as America's dairyland, wisconsinin law
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Speaker 1: demands that all cheese and butter be produced in the
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Speaker 1: state to be highly pleasing. Oh no, oh boy, that
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Speaker 1: you know, and that was terrible news for the Ship
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Speaker 1: Cheese Company of Wisconsin or for Blue Cheese. Am I right?
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Speaker 1: I love but you know, people have a real ax
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Speaker 1: to grind with Blue Cheese. Look, if you're eating cheese,
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Speaker 1: you've already crossed the lie certainly and become an ally
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Speaker 1: of bacteria. Why not go further into the darkness? You know,
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Speaker 1: see what lies beyond. I'm honest. Ranch dressing on wings,
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Speaker 1: that's like the training wheels. Blue Cheese is doing it right. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I gotta say, for a guy who doesn't personally like Ranch,
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Speaker 1: I know way too much about its origins, but it's
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Speaker 1: yeah to teach their own. I agree with you, though, Max.
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Speaker 1: I'm team Blue Cheese is the inferior dipper, no question there.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a Ranch episode now coming up. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: I could do that with im. I'll be here, I'll
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Speaker 1: be your Ranch hand. Oh there, it is worth it.
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Speaker 1: We know about We've talked about Ranch at let do
19:19
Speaker 1: shout out to our friends over on saver any recent
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Speaker 1: lare in vogel bomb, which I have them back over
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Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah. So, okay, there's a big question
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Speaker 1: here blue laws, which again the alcohol part particularly became
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Speaker 1: important as there were temperance movements and this prohibition is
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Speaker 1: going into into and out of fashion. One of the
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Speaker 1: big questions about blue laws pertains to the First Amendment.
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Speaker 1: Everybody knows. Everybody should know that in the US, the
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Speaker 1: First Amendment specifically specifically states you cannot make laws about
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Speaker 1: an establishment of religion. That's our separation of church and state.
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Speaker 1: For anybody. Well, this an audio podcast, you can't see
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Speaker 1: I did a really cool hand thing. But it's it's
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Speaker 1: a magic trick for people as simple as me. Good
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Speaker 1: and here is the church and then when you look through, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it looks like something no body there, We go and
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Speaker 1: Max you're doing You're you're cleaning the calling hr of
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Speaker 1: your thumb and point of doing something that Blue laws
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Speaker 1: would very much not allow me to do, especially not
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Speaker 1: on the Sabbath. Yeah. So that's the problem, right, designating
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Speaker 1: Sunday as a sabbath or holy day and restricting what
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Speaker 1: people can do on that day, even if they don't
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Speaker 1: subscribe to that religion. Uh. It means that sometimes people
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Speaker 1: say arguably favoring, but I think it just it bluntly means,
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Speaker 1: and no uncertain terms, that these laws are imposing Christianity
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Speaker 1: on other belief systems, on people with other belief systems.
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Speaker 1: That's right. I go back to my very reasonable need
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Speaker 1: to fix the hole in the wall before my landlord
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Speaker 1: got a gander at it, and I could argue that
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Speaker 1: this adherence to to this you know, religious practice that
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Speaker 1: I do not subscribe to, was f and my my
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Speaker 1: s up. Yeah. And so these laws constantly come up
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Speaker 1: in court, right, Various people have a problem with them,
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Speaker 1: and their problems are valid. So you'll see these things,
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Speaker 1: sometimes called Sunday laws, always be the subject of various
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Speaker 1: court cases throughout the eighteen hundreds, the first half of
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Speaker 1: the nineteen hundreds, until the Supreme Court weighs in in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty one case called McGowan versus Maryland. What
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Speaker 1: was going on with this one? A good question, indeed,
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Speaker 1: and when we will do our best to answer right now.
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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court UH, in fact, ruled on McGowan versus
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Speaker 1: Maryland in nineteen sixty one. UH. The case was filed
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Speaker 1: by employees of a giant like big box type department
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Speaker 1: store UM who were fined for doing their job. And
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Speaker 1: this is very similar to my situation, UH, selling things
22:20
Speaker 1: like floor wax and toys on Sunday and violation of
22:24
Speaker 1: state law. And almost like accused it of being a
22:29
Speaker 1: recruitment tool in a way, you know, because if you
22:32
Speaker 1: can't work on Sunday, if you're prevented from applying your
22:36
Speaker 1: trade at the department store wherever, I guess you might
22:39
Speaker 1: as well join the club, you know. And it really
22:42
Speaker 1: did start to feel like there was a certain sense
22:44
Speaker 1: of bothering going on, yeah, or proselytization using the power
22:51
Speaker 1: of the state, if not discrimination. And so the court said, Okay,
22:58
Speaker 1: we get it, We're cool. Don't be fooled by the
23:01
Speaker 1: robes and the fact that we're functionally bring wraiths. They said,
23:05
Speaker 1: we get it. Uh. Yes, there are religious origins to
23:10
Speaker 1: these laws, but we think they're constitutional because a lot
23:15
Speaker 1: of the religious language has been removed from the statute.
23:19
Speaker 1: The only thing left is a single reference to Sunday
23:22
Speaker 1: as the Lord's Day, and a lot of restrictions have
23:25
Speaker 1: been lifted and so Chief Justice at the time, Earl Warreds,
23:30
Speaker 1: says these laws are permissible regulations under the state's police
23:35
Speaker 1: power to regulate quote, in the interest of public health, safety, welfare,
23:43
Speaker 1: and morals. And he said, they said, this is not
23:47
Speaker 1: to make you all obey Christianity or a certain flavor thereof.
23:53
Speaker 1: This is to make sure everybody takes a day off
23:57
Speaker 1: from the grind, to relax, to be mindful, to hang
24:01
Speaker 1: with their family. Well, then call it that right and
24:04
Speaker 1: make it make it be be able to be spent
24:07
Speaker 1: however you wish, or whatever day you want, or whatever
24:11
Speaker 1: day you want. Yeah, but again, you know, don't get
24:14
Speaker 1: me started on like the work week and and and
24:17
Speaker 1: work life balance and more or day work week. The
24:21
Speaker 1: experiments are growing very well. Yeah, I mean it makes sense.
24:25
Speaker 1: But again this is because my point is that this, uh,
24:28
Speaker 1: this opinion is disingenuous. I yeah, I agree with you.
24:34
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think it's a rationalization and
24:40
Speaker 1: it's an unnecessary fig leaf because it's not fooling anybody
24:44
Speaker 1: either at the time. You know what I mean, Um,
24:47
Speaker 1: I could it's under there, Yeah, I can know what's
24:50
Speaker 1: under that leaf. Right, I could break out my weed
24:53
Speaker 1: your board and attempt to speak with Justice Warren, but
24:58
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it because I'm sure there's
25:01
Speaker 1: a blue law against it. You played yourself, judge anybody? Yeah,
25:06
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, can you Weigi board? Is
25:08
Speaker 1: it a toy or is it a tool of Satan
25:13
Speaker 1: or exactly? That is very unclear. Um, people are really
25:19
Speaker 1: freaked out by Wegi boards. I had a guy come
25:21
Speaker 1: to my house to do some repair work and I
25:22
Speaker 1: have a Wegi board Welcome Matt. He like didn't step
25:26
Speaker 1: on it. He was like, he looked at me. He
25:28
Speaker 1: wasn't joking. He was like, that's just scary. And I
25:31
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's just for Halloween. He kind of
25:33
Speaker 1: thought it was cool. We left things like it's not cool, man.
25:36
Speaker 1: He was like, almost didn't come into my house. I
25:39
Speaker 1: think those are I think those are cool, but also
25:43
Speaker 1: I'm very skeptical about it. So to me, it's like,
25:46
Speaker 1: look in the science, Uh, people put a lot of
25:48
Speaker 1: staking them. If there's one way to finally transcend the
25:52
Speaker 1: mortal veil and communicate with the dead, is it a
25:57
Speaker 1: mass marketed board game by Hasbro? Is it? Is it? Really?
26:02
Speaker 1: Tell us if we're wrong? Anyway? They buy the patent
26:05
Speaker 1: from by the way, say right right, in the form
26:09
Speaker 1: of Parker Brothers, they inherited it. But okay, uh, you
26:14
Speaker 1: may be living in a part of the world where
26:16
Speaker 1: these laws were formerly on the books, and hopefully you're
26:20
Speaker 1: already thinking about your favorite ridiculous laws of yesteryear, but
26:25
Speaker 1: you also might live in a place where they're still around.
26:28
Speaker 1: The very last statewide full day restriction on any kind
26:33
Speaker 1: of commerce was in North Dakota. It was repealed in
26:38
Speaker 1: nineteen one, And for a bit of perspective, I think
26:44
Speaker 1: we should add here the population of North Dakota is
26:49
Speaker 1: still in the entire state, it's still under eight hundred
26:52
Speaker 1: thousand people, so very few people, relatively speaking, were affected
26:57
Speaker 1: by that. The only place, there's one place in the
27:02
Speaker 1: US where I guess you could call it general retail,
27:06
Speaker 1: is still banned on Sundays, it's Bergen County, New Jersey,
27:10
Speaker 1: and that's because the local community likes it that way.
27:14
Speaker 1: In the same way that you'll still see maybe not
27:18
Speaker 1: just in the South, but definitely and in some parts
27:20
Speaker 1: of the South near US things called dry counties, which
27:24
Speaker 1: just you know, supersedes the whole blue law thing entirely,
27:27
Speaker 1: and it's makes it you can't buy liquor at all,
27:30
Speaker 1: uh there. But usually the workaround and that is that
27:33
Speaker 1: you just drive into the next county and buy it
27:36
Speaker 1: and bring it back. We always started this and we
27:38
Speaker 1: rent like cabins. You know, it's a blue ridge and
27:41
Speaker 1: get one of those cool cabins, and you gotta get
27:44
Speaker 1: your booze on the way and make sure you stock
27:46
Speaker 1: up because you're not gonna be getting anymore without driving,
27:48
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know ten or fifteen months dry counties. Yeah,
27:52
Speaker 1: do you jump in here. This actually reminds me of
27:54
Speaker 1: our infamous cabin tripsle I remember one year we went
27:59
Speaker 1: up and the day after we when he got launch
28:02
Speaker 1: and we couldn't get, you know, anything to drink. The
28:05
Speaker 1: year later we were like getting flights of whiskey because well,
28:09
Speaker 1: I think we were a little closer though we had
28:12
Speaker 1: we had passed out of the Dry county at that point.
28:14
Speaker 1: That's the really good one. And by the way, we
28:16
Speaker 1: need to we need to revitalize that tradition with the
28:20
Speaker 1: ridiculous history family, you know, with with with with you
28:23
Speaker 1: and me and and and my lady friend and Ben
28:25
Speaker 1: and and his lady friend and will you know Casey Pegram.
28:29
Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickling can even comets up together. He's still banned
28:34
Speaker 1: from a couple of counties. And I say this as
28:38
Speaker 1: his friend. He earned it and he knows what he did.
28:41
Speaker 1: So all cabins, he's he's that he can't you mentioned
28:45
Speaker 1: that guy's name in a cabin rental situation, will they
28:48
Speaker 1: will ban flip. It's like a switch is flipped. It's
28:52
Speaker 1: it's the first time I have ever recognized someone from
28:57
Speaker 1: a wanted poster at a cracker barrel. Yeah, it was
29:00
Speaker 1: even an old timey and CPIA toned and having kind
29:03
Speaker 1: of brand looking font on it. He's you know, Jonathan
29:08
Speaker 1: does listen to the show occasionally. I think when people
29:11
Speaker 1: tell him that we're mentioning. Well, we did suggest last
29:16
Speaker 1: week that if we were caught on a desert island
29:18
Speaker 1: or on a boat, we would eat him first. That
29:20
Speaker 1: was my idea. Yeah, it will keep him around, just
29:23
Speaker 1: for that reason. I stand by that. I don't find
29:27
Speaker 1: that to be that controversial of a statement either. I
29:29
Speaker 1: think most people would agree. Jonathan is very healthy too.
29:32
Speaker 1: You know, he's a piscutaria, so we're getting a lot
29:35
Speaker 1: of bang for our buck. Definitely, Okay, so you know
29:46
Speaker 1: it tastes like shrimp. We gotta stuff speculating about catabalism
29:50
Speaker 1: on our co workers. This is even worse that you're
29:53
Speaker 1: a little hand signal mix hr again. Yeah, I think
29:59
Speaker 1: I got him on s pizza column. Let them know
30:02
Speaker 1: our our prov comedy is a plus. So its two blue.
30:06
Speaker 1: It's two blue. It's our blue period, we said at
30:09
Speaker 1: the top of the show. In a lot of you know,
30:11
Speaker 1: a lot of states, people still enact blue laws. That's
30:15
Speaker 1: why Bergen County is still doing this kind of stuff,
30:18
Speaker 1: because the local city and county governments wants this thing.
30:24
Speaker 1: The communities want it. And in the twenty one century,
30:28
Speaker 1: you'll see that a lot of states that historically had
30:31
Speaker 1: these Sunday laws started to just kind of dial them back.
30:36
Speaker 1: And some of that is due to rising secularism, but
30:40
Speaker 1: more of it is due to economic concerns. There's more competition,
30:44
Speaker 1: people are busier, or they feel they feel busier, and
30:47
Speaker 1: a lot of businesses can't just simply cannot afford to
30:53
Speaker 1: lose a full day of potential profit. I mean, speaking
30:57
Speaker 1: of potential profit, I like and how how are we
31:00
Speaker 1: ever going to forget your Chick fil a On Sunday,
31:02
Speaker 1: Uh to the tune of Crossroads by Harmony. But like,
31:08
Speaker 1: that's a company that is so committed to the bit
31:11
Speaker 1: that that think of the millions they're leading on the table,
31:14
Speaker 1: millions not being open on Sunday on Sunday on chicken
31:20
Speaker 1: sandwich cambo, cambo camboo chicken sandwich cambo. It's very good appropriate.
31:28
Speaker 1: But here's the thing though, here's the thing we have
31:31
Speaker 1: sort of not glossed over. But I think we've been
31:34
Speaker 1: somewhat anti these types of puritanical laws affecting people what
31:39
Speaker 1: you can and can't do. Nobody likes to be told
31:41
Speaker 1: what to do. But we've kind of been neglecting is
31:45
Speaker 1: that there's a point we touched on earlier that this
31:47
Speaker 1: is sort of a way of codifying like a separation
31:52
Speaker 1: from the work week. And you know, in Europe, for example,
31:57
Speaker 1: nothing's open on the weekend. Nothing. But it's not really
32:00
Speaker 1: a religious thing. Maybe it is, you know, I mean
32:03
Speaker 1: obviously you know Europe is very steeped in in in
32:06
Speaker 1: religion as well, you know historically, um so maybe maybe
32:09
Speaker 1: I'm I just don't know the history of that, but
32:11
Speaker 1: I feel like it is ultimately kind of a good thing.
32:14
Speaker 1: To have a day where you can't do all the things.
32:17
Speaker 1: We've grown into a society where you can have all
32:20
Speaker 1: the things all the time, and it's just kind of go, go,
32:23
Speaker 1: go all the time. And I do appreciate anything that
32:28
Speaker 1: kind of forces you to take a step back and chill.
32:32
Speaker 1: I just don't like that it's associated with a religious practice.
32:36
Speaker 1: I think it should just be like, hey, this is
32:38
Speaker 1: a day of rest. But also it becomes sticky because
32:41
Speaker 1: then you're telling people who who maybe need the money,
32:44
Speaker 1: you know, for for that day that you have to close.
32:47
Speaker 1: And that's that could be an issue. But in Europe
32:50
Speaker 1: they've just been doing it for so long that it
32:52
Speaker 1: just is how it is. Also in Europe, people who
32:56
Speaker 1: workers rights are much more robust people. Hey, a living wage,
33:02
Speaker 1: you know, in the United States, this is an a
33:06
Speaker 1: in the In the United States, if you take out
33:10
Speaker 1: all the pr spin, people are dying because they are poor.
33:14
Speaker 1: The ways to treat them exists, the ways to extend
33:18
Speaker 1: their life and quality of life exists. But due to
33:21
Speaker 1: the way that this country approaches the idea of medicine
33:26
Speaker 1: and health, which is very much not the way Europe
33:29
Speaker 1: approaches it or most other developed countries, due to that,
33:33
Speaker 1: people die. If you can live in a world where
33:38
Speaker 1: you are paid a basic living wage and you will
33:41
Speaker 1: not confront bankruptcy if you have any medical mishap, then
33:46
Speaker 1: you have the you have more of a luxury you know,
33:49
Speaker 1: to to think about work life balance and that's very important. Uh.
33:54
Speaker 1: This is something that I think all of us Max
33:57
Speaker 1: No Nola myself have thought about as well at length,
34:00
Speaker 1: and we hope you give it some consideration too. Now
34:04
Speaker 1: we're talking about how blue laws have a positive aspect um.
34:08
Speaker 1: Maybe union certainly thought so. Right, Yeah, let's go to
34:12
Speaker 1: uh Lyman Stone out of box who wrote this great
34:15
Speaker 1: piece why we need blue laws, the religious tradition that
34:18
Speaker 1: sanctifies life outside of work. Now, where does the union
34:23
Speaker 1: angle come in here? Well, first of all, I mean,
34:25
Speaker 1: you know, we all know that unions are a big
34:28
Speaker 1: fan of of of mandated breaks, whether they be food
34:32
Speaker 1: breaks or even smoke breaks and things like that. You know,
34:34
Speaker 1: if you're working on a union film, for example, you
34:37
Speaker 1: know you're you're you're mandated to take certain breaks. And
34:41
Speaker 1: in the UK it's much more adhered to here. Unless
34:45
Speaker 1: you have a union rep on site, you're probably not
34:48
Speaker 1: always gonna get your you know, you're a little your
34:51
Speaker 1: little fifteen or twenty or whatever. Also true, so you
34:56
Speaker 1: could argue that again there's another example of like the
34:59
Speaker 1: US not really caring about people quite as much as
35:03
Speaker 1: some other countries. But the Supreme Court has ruled over
35:07
Speaker 1: and over again, uh and even pretty recently that this
35:11
Speaker 1: is these are constitutional. It's okay for the state to
35:14
Speaker 1: prevent commercial activities even if the days are religious, because
35:20
Speaker 1: who's to say, kind of right, like you can't prove
35:23
Speaker 1: you know, Sunday is the last day of the week, right,
35:26
Speaker 1: technically it's the first day of the week. That always
35:28
Speaker 1: kind of messes me up, um, But you know, it
35:30
Speaker 1: just makes sense that the day of rest would be
35:33
Speaker 1: at the end or beginning of the work week. So
35:36
Speaker 1: at this point, it feels like the religious argument has
35:38
Speaker 1: sort of gone out the window. And that's more what
35:41
Speaker 1: the unions lean on, uh, is that it it imposes
35:45
Speaker 1: a day where you can't force people to work. But
35:48
Speaker 1: that's not really what they do either. It depends on
35:52
Speaker 1: what union you're talking about, Like unions for you know,
35:55
Speaker 1: the film workers, again, they're working on Sunday if the
36:01
Speaker 1: job requires them. Like you said, Teamster has been, they're
36:03
Speaker 1: working whatever day. You know, this is awesome. Yeah, no,
36:11
Speaker 1: it's a good point. It's a good point. Well, and
36:13
Speaker 1: taking it past um, past just production to unions in general.
36:19
Speaker 1: There's something that a lot of people might not think
36:22
Speaker 1: about in the US because it's not treated with the importance.
36:25
Speaker 1: That deserves the right to as symbol the right to
36:29
Speaker 1: assemble in a group. Unions like blue laws because it
36:35
Speaker 1: carves out this time for people to not have to work,
36:40
Speaker 1: right and it ensures that people have as a group
36:46
Speaker 1: time off together. The state cannot force you to go
36:50
Speaker 1: to a church or a community meeting, and it can't
36:53
Speaker 1: force you to hang out with your parents, you're in laws, god,
36:59
Speaker 1: you know, but it can force your employer to shut
37:02
Speaker 1: their doors for a day at least certain types of employers.
37:08
Speaker 1: But they could also they could technically pursue it further
37:13
Speaker 1: if the state, So it shows so this so this
37:17
Speaker 1: creates this ability to have free time, which is at
37:22
Speaker 1: a premium often in the United States. So you could
37:26
Speaker 1: so this ups the odds that people might invest in
37:31
Speaker 1: labor movements. So where might invest in brainstorming with their
37:35
Speaker 1: colleagues about better representation and more rights and so on.
37:39
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the big kerfuffle about voting in
37:44
Speaker 1: the United States. And again this isn't a political point,
37:48
Speaker 1: but which day of the week they hold it? Are
37:50
Speaker 1: remember making making it a holiday? Right, It's weird that
37:52
Speaker 1: it's not a holiday. It's weird that um, so many
37:57
Speaker 1: powerful interests have spent so much time making a pain
38:00
Speaker 1: in the butt to vote and making it archaic. Uh,
38:04
Speaker 1: it's ah, this is for stuff they don't want you
38:08
Speaker 1: to know. But I positive there's a reason anyway. So well,
38:12
Speaker 1: in the Vox article to UM, it's pointed out that
38:15
Speaker 1: one other reason that unions like the Blue laws is
38:18
Speaker 1: that there is a religious part because they feel like
38:21
Speaker 1: religion assembling at church and all that stuff. It encourages
38:25
Speaker 1: kind of community strengthening, you know, and and and encourages
38:30
Speaker 1: civic behavior like voting because the labor unions obviously also
38:35
Speaker 1: have political interests and this they would see this as
38:39
Speaker 1: a way of getting people on board because if you're
38:42
Speaker 1: surrounded by other people that have like minds, uh, you
38:45
Speaker 1: can kind of influence them if they're sort of in
38:48
Speaker 1: a voting group kind of you know. Yeah, and really,
38:53
Speaker 1: if you boil it down into the most concentrated terms,
38:56
Speaker 1: it's drawing a line in the sand, and it's say, hey, employers,
39:01
Speaker 1: you can't have all of my time, right you can't.
39:05
Speaker 1: You can't have the mission creep where all of a
39:09
Speaker 1: sudden there's no real time off and the email always
39:13
Speaker 1: has to stay odd. Which is why France actually passed
39:16
Speaker 1: the law not too long ago which said France passed
39:19
Speaker 1: the law that said your employer cannot require you to
39:23
Speaker 1: answer emails past a certain time. Let me get the well, okay,
39:29
Speaker 1: you know, of course, again, because we're from America, I
39:32
Speaker 1: immediately roll my eyes at that, as though it were
39:35
Speaker 1: completely unenforceable. But I suppose if there really were a law,
39:39
Speaker 1: you could in another country where labor is more respected
39:42
Speaker 1: or labors are more respected, really follow up on that.
39:45
Speaker 1: But here I just don't buy it. I just don't
39:48
Speaker 1: buy the It would have to happeniation, you know what
39:52
Speaker 1: I mean, There would be retaliation unless it was enforced
39:55
Speaker 1: law that happened all at once. The French law which
39:58
Speaker 1: came out I think in required all companies with more
40:02
Speaker 1: than fifty employees to establish hours when staff should not
40:05
Speaker 1: send her answer emails, generally after six pm. What a
40:09
Speaker 1: world not gonna happen in the United States. But the
40:13
Speaker 1: United States is home to a lot of ridiculous laws.
40:18
Speaker 1: We promised it at the top. You know, you guys
40:21
Speaker 1: know it's one of my favorite things. Uh, let's run
40:25
Speaker 1: through a couple. No, no, I think you already. We
40:28
Speaker 1: already mentioned Wisconsin. Uh maybe we can just jump around,
40:34
Speaker 1: jump around, jump around. Uh, jump up, jump up and
40:39
Speaker 1: get down. Yes. Uh, I'm gonna add one that I
40:42
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if this is on the list,
40:44
Speaker 1: but Florida does apparently, or had for a long time,
40:47
Speaker 1: prohibited unmarried women from parachuting on Sundays. What happened that
40:52
Speaker 1: Sunday that made that a law? What kind of Helen
40:56
Speaker 1: of Troy launched a thousand parachutes one Sunday afternoon. I
41:01
Speaker 1: don't know. It just makes me think back to the
41:03
Speaker 1: story we did about inventors dying in midflight. Maybe they
41:07
Speaker 1: just didn't want to see that happen. Helen I Tampa
41:10
Speaker 1: love it. No, no, no, it's great. Um, and we
41:13
Speaker 1: you know, I think I indicated that this was a
41:16
Speaker 1: type of blue law. It's not. These are just general
41:18
Speaker 1: weirdo laws. But one about cheese being delicious? Uh, that
41:22
Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense as a blue level. We've got more. Uh,
41:25
Speaker 1: let's see, We've got uh. In California, it is illegal
41:30
Speaker 1: to build, maintain, or use a nuclear weapon with only
41:33
Speaker 1: within Chico, though, oh yeah, anywhere anywhere else game Uh,
41:41
Speaker 1: let's see. Uh. This next one reads like a freaking
41:46
Speaker 1: tongue twister rhyme. A pickle cannot be sold unless it bounces.
41:50
Speaker 1: According to an i d for the article. This law
41:52
Speaker 1: became a necessity after two scheming pickle packers tried to
41:55
Speaker 1: sell pickles unfit for human consumption on the slide. Oh,
41:59
Speaker 1: those pest pickle packers selling poor quality pickles to unsuspecting pedestrians. Yeah,
42:08
Speaker 1: and you can't be uh, you can't fake butter in Iowa.
42:12
Speaker 1: Anybody who tries to pass off butter or any kind
42:17
Speaker 1: of it's butter o leo or oleo margarine as real
42:21
Speaker 1: butter as the real McCoy can spend thirty days in
42:25
Speaker 1: the clink and get fine six hundred and twenty five dollars.
42:32
Speaker 1: When from the land of our buddy a how uh
42:35
Speaker 1: Andrew howard Um shout out to you, friend of the show,
42:39
Speaker 1: it is forbidden to post advertisements. Are mains rights from
42:43
Speaker 1: also our buddy Stephen Kings. Actual buddies are buddy in literature.
42:47
Speaker 1: I think he follows me on Twitter. I can't remember.
42:50
Speaker 1: That's cool Twitter? Does he really? I didn't know? Uh.
42:55
Speaker 1: It is forbidden, in fact to post advertisements on another
42:57
Speaker 1: person's tombstone in this in of Wells just well post
43:02
Speaker 1: no bills, indeed, totally fine in bangor Main, so I
43:07
Speaker 1: bet there's some clever advertisements. In Washington State, it is
43:12
Speaker 1: illegal to poach a sasquatch into specific counties in Scamania County,
43:20
Speaker 1: which does sound like a compilation of Scott Band tracks.
43:23
Speaker 1: In Skamania County, it's been a felony since nineteen sixty nine.
43:28
Speaker 1: And in Whatcom County spelled what dot com or spelled
43:35
Speaker 1: like what dot com without the period. Uh, the entirety
43:39
Speaker 1: of the county is an official sasquatch protection and refuge area.
43:44
Speaker 1: That's right. The US has a big Bigfoot sanctuary sanctuary
43:48
Speaker 1: for um, a life form that has not been conclusively
43:52
Speaker 1: proven to exist. It is really sweet, you know, I mean,
43:56
Speaker 1: I like the Russian offers this one. It is if
43:59
Speaker 1: big Foot exists, they will be part of an endangered species.
44:04
Speaker 1: It's I like it. I like it don't change Washington. Yeah, yeah,
44:08
Speaker 1: that's very I like the freshman in the dorm awake
44:13
Speaker 1: at three am energy of that, Like, hey, guys, you
44:16
Speaker 1: know the thing is this was real. He's like endangered
44:20
Speaker 1: bro hands off, hands off the Sasquatch, our buddy David
44:28
Speaker 1: Bakara Again. Blue Ridge just comes up a second time,
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Speaker 1: Dry County, but home of the what is it called
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Speaker 1: Destination Bigfoot Expedition Expedition Bigfoot an incredible, very high quality
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Speaker 1: Bigfoot themed museum. Um really really seriously, it's like Epcot
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Speaker 1: level cool. And of course, as we said before, folks,
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Speaker 1: we can't wait to hear your favorite former laws or
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Speaker 1: laws that are still on the books and just not
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Speaker 1: enforce I think at least, well, I think it's fair
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Speaker 1: to say the three of us, your faithful correspondence, came
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Speaker 1: into today's episode with a bit of an ax to
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Speaker 1: grind against Blue Laws, and we didn't know whether it
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Speaker 1: was legal to grind an act in our county, but
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Speaker 1: we did in our respective counties. But I think we
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Speaker 1: all came away with more of an appreciation of the
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Speaker 1: positive side of this kind of legislation, as flawed as
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Speaker 1: it might be, and we hope that you enjoyed it. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you can't wait to hear from you. Thanks as always
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Speaker 1: to our superproducer, our research associate for today's show, In fact,
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Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams. Yes, indeed this was a doozy Max
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Speaker 1: great finds all around. Also hughes thanks to uh Chris
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Speaker 1: frostiodis here in spirit. He's Jeff Codes, Jonathan Stricklin, Alex
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Speaker 1: Williams who composed our theme. Yeah, big thanks to the
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Speaker 1: Cohen Brothers. Big thanks to Javier Bardem the Cocaine Bear.
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Speaker 1: Big thanks to Giant Robots, whether Gundam or Yeager's. You know,
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking, I really wish there would be
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Speaker 1: a third Pacific Rim film. I know it's not you know,
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Speaker 1: it's it's not exactly intellectual, but was there a second one?
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Speaker 1: There was specific rim uprising bro I didn't see it.
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Speaker 1: Was it? Was it worth it? Yeah? It wasn't Del
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Speaker 1: Toro though I don't believe Charlie Day is uh in
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Speaker 1: it again. I don't want to spoil it too much,
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Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, it's worth of the time. They got
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Speaker 1: new robots. New robots do kaiju. That's what I'm about
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Speaker 1: A fake face to make it that thing happen and
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Speaker 1: uh no, thanks to you. Let's keep going until there
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Speaker 1: is a law banning podcast Indeed, we'll see you next time, folks.
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