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Caitlynne Curtis | From Small-Town Roots to Viral Stardom & Finding Purpose Through Music · Single Tree Nation Show

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  welcome back to single tree nation guys
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  i'm your man charlie evelyn and as always
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  we have our illustrious co-host mr derry
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  wells with us today what is up everybody
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  you think about that jonah it's a lot
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  it is a lot it is a lot
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  that's a proper response look we uh have
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  an amazing guest on this evening uh she
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  is an artist uh the girl can wail
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  Her son is musically inclined as well.
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  Jonah.
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  What do you think?
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  Are you excited about being on a show
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  today?
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  Yeah.
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  Is this your first podcast?
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  Uh, kind of.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  Well,
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  we're hoping that this one's going to be
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  a better experience for you.
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  All right.
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  So, um,
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  I don't know if you know this or
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  not,
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  but the show is going to be all
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  about you.
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  I had to talk your mom into coming
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  so you could be with us today.
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  Okay.
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  Is that okay?
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  Yeah.
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  Sounds good.
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  All right.
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  So we're going to talk about your music
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  career, not your mother's.
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  Does that work?
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  Yep.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  So before we do that,
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  can we introduce your mom?
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  Yeah.
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  Is that okay?
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  Is that okay?
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  We're going to come back to you.
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  All right.
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  All right.
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  I love it.
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  Caitlin,
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  thank you for coming to hang out with
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  us today.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  We appreciate it.
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  So now you are from Middle Tennessee.
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  Basically.
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  Okay.
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  I've been here a long time.
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  Been here a long time.
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  Okay.
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  Did you go to high school here?
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  I did.
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  I went to Segal High School.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Oh, you like local, local.
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  Yeah, and Murfreesboro.
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  I mean, Segal Middle, too.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Okay.
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  So I've been here for a man.
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  I'm not gonna when I was going to
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  school that wasn't built yet.
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  Wasn't even in the plans.
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  You didn't have to make a sound so
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  old so fast.
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  So I'm gonna I gotta tell you a
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  story about how old I am.
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  I'm in the restaurant yesterday talking to
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  an individual about schools here in
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  Rutherford County.
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  and and I said that I said that
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  Murfreesboro is divided up into four areas
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  and I said you got black men and
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  then you got the VA side and then
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  you got Church Street and
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  and the oakland side and he goes he
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  goes you graduated from oakland didn't you
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  and i went yeah why because that's not
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  i wouldn't break it like that either but
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  go ahead and he goes well because you
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  didn't call church street riverdale side
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  and i went oh yeah we don't mention
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  those words yeah that's fine but also you
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  said the va side oakland and the va
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  are on the same side of town
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  yeah but it's like the va seagull kind
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  of area that's still the north part of
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  town yeah but oakland's farther south sure
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  so i just you're trying that section
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  whatever oakland you got downtown you got
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  downtown church street blackman and the
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  north end of town that's what you got
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  i was referring to it as because this
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  has always been the blackman area and then
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  that has been whatever
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  I'm right thanks you're welcome you're
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  always right no not always sometimes we're
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  good let's get to Caitlin too much Patrick
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  going back and forth all right so you've
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  you you grew up in the area yeah
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  so have you always wanted to do the
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  music side of stuff
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  Oh, yeah.
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  I've been singing since I was, well,
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  I've been singing since I was like three.
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  But from what I recall,
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  six years old is when I started singing.
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  And I actually did like this recital thing
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  when I was younger.
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  I remember getting a like a little solo
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  and I stepped out on you know the
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  stage the front of the stage and the
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  little lights hit me and you couldn't see
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  anybody but I did my solo and it's
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  just I swear I remember that moment and
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  it's just it's what I when I realized
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  that yeah I definitely want to do music
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  for a very long time until I'm ninety
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  very specific age and then we got Jonah
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  the man the myth the legend all right
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  what do you think about your mama singing
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  She's a great singer.
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  Yeah?
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  She's a great singer?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So can you remember a time that your
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  mama sung to you when you were just
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  a little fella that means more to you
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  than anything else?
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  Um...
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  I mean, I don't really remember.
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  No, you don't remember.
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  Okay.
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  I was trying to give you a heartfelt
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  moment there.
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  Yeah, I know.
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  He's probably like, well, I mean,
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  she sings every day.
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  It's kind of annoying.
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  Does she sing every day?
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  Is your mom one of those singers that
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  just sings all the time?
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  Yeah, definitely.
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  So do you, do you, do you,
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  do you like her singing?
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  Yeah.
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  Pause.
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  He had to think about that one for
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  a minute.
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  No, see, I know what that is.
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  As a kid,
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  he was finding the moment of like,
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  do I, the song I like, yes,
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  I like that one.
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  But then there's that moment when he's
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  trying to video game and she's
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  interrupting and he doesn't want to
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  acknowledge it,
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  but he doesn't want to say her singing's
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  bad, but it's like,
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  I can't hear the TV right now.
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  So I get where he's at with that.
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  So that's fair.
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  So yeah, I'm right.
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  That's right.
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  I'm around kids too often.
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  I know it wasn't a bad thing.
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  It wasn't a bad thing.
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  Not at all.
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  Not at all.
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  Love it.
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  So Now Johnny you do some singing
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  yourself, right?
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  Yeah, you do more rapping than singing,
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  right?
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  You don't like singing So why do you
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  not like to sing your mama likes to
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  sing?
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  Why don't you sing?
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  Oh, I mean,
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  I don't really know I don't like to
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  sing but I guess it's kind of cuz
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  I just like rapping better When did you
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  first start rapping?
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  um since like i would like um go
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  on youtube and search up like beats and
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  i would freestyle and then my song came
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  out in so hang on can i ask
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  how old you are i'm ten
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  I love the fact that he's referring to
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  the years like, I was doing like, yes,
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  that is great.
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  It wasn't,
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  I was six looking on YouTube back in
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  the day, such a appropriate.
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  So thought response, you,
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  you learned how to wrap off a YouTube.
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  well no i kind of learned it like
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  myself but i would like turn on beats
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  on youtube and i would like to freestyle
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  since he was very little we'd be in
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  the living room and he'd put on a
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  beat that he found off youtube and he
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  would freestyle and it'd be so funny
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  because every once in a while i'd be
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  like oh
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  Bars and then he would start spitting.
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  I was like And then sometimes he'd say
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  some crazy stuff and I'd be like, okay,
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  yeah, yeah, and then he got good Yeah,
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  it's so good.
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  Like the song that we did together.
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  He freestyled his part on my live video
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  on tik-tok and I went and listened back
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  to it and I was like that was
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  so good and we wrote down the lyrics
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  and then we went to the studio like
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  I think the next day and
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  okay yeah so that's a freestyle well i
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  was going to ask whose idea was to
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  come up with that so it really just
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  kind of worked out to be a very
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  organic experience yeah we were on my tick
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  tock live and he was doing some freestyle
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  stuff and then somebody commented you
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  should do one with your mom and so
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  i said okay well i have this song
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  that i've been writing i had a verse
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  and a chorus i said there's an open
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  spot let me do my part and just
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  freestyle
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  then he ended up freestyling that and it
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  was so good so it's we went back
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  we listened to it we wrote down the
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  lyrics went to the studio he he literally
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  took one take i was like okay wow
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  i've been singing since i was six years
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  old i can't even do one take in
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  the studio but cool and yeah this is
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  crazy knock it out if you're good you're
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  good so what's the name of the song
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  it's called survivor survivor yep okay now
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  and is that your current single
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  Uh,
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  it's one of my singles that is going
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  to be on my country album.
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  Okay.
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  Um, but we released it in,
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  I think January.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  And then you have a new album that's
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  coming out.
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  We'll,
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  we'll get into that in a little while,
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  but, um, let's, I gotta,
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  I gotta hear it, man.
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  Now,
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  do you need your mom to sing and
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  to start it out?
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  You got it.
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  Or you just want to just drop it?
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  I'll get you a tag.
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  I'm a survivor.
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  Do it now?
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  You ready?
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  They all looking down at me.
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  They said I couldn't do it.
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  I'm going to keep on going.
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  Now I bought an airplane.
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  I just flew it.
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  I don't even need another dollar,
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  dollar or a bargain.
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  I just keep on moving.
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  Honestly, won't beg your pardon.
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  Let's just keep on going.
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  Now I'm running to the top.
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  They can't even stop me.
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  They're not even my real ops.
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  And don't you forget this time,
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  because I don't know their name,
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  but they sure know mine.
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  That's fantastic.
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  I love it.
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  I love it.
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  Man.
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  High five, man.
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  That's awesome.
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  That is great.
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  Didn't miss a beat.
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  She's just like,
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  here's a little intro and go.
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  So you freestyled that right off the bat?
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  Yeah.
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  well man all right there's just some
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  people got more talent than others that's
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  all there is to it i'm over here
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  just cooking just cooking brisket big hunk
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  of meat on the smoke it's so wild
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  where do where do you where where does
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  that come from
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  Really know you don't know God God comes
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  from God.
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  Yeah, okay now You said country album.
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  Yes, I
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  Meaning there's other genres.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  There's a lot of other genres.
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  It means there's not a non-country album.
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  That's what you're looking for.
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  So the question,
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  are you breaking into the countryside and
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  you do more pop, hip-hop styles,
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  or are you always been country and just
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  now really kind of calling it that?
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  yeah i mean i started um so when
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  i was little you know it was shania
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  twain martina mcbride you know keith urban
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  that was kind of what was on repeat
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  and in my mom's car on the way
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  to school and then when we would do
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  karaoke i would do like martina mcbride
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  songs and one of them was um broken
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  wing and then uh
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  Concrete angel.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Those are my favorite to sing.
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  So I've always really liked country music,
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  but I Loved writing pop songs.
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  So my first album was a pop album
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  and
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  you know,
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  it did really well and I enjoyed doing
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  it, but just,
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  I kept having that little flashback of
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  country music, you know,
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  singing at the bars when I'm nine years
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  old,
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  my mom brings me into a bar and
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  I'm doing karaoke and there's, you know,
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  so I decided to lean into that.
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  Um, and it, it was just,
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  it started going really well.
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  And I, I'm starting to like find,
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  you know, what my, you know,
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  voice can do and all that.
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  But I also do, um,
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  you know,
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  rock songs like rock covers and stuff like
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  that.
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  So I don't really say that I would
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  have a specific genre,
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  but the one that calls to my heart
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  the most would definitely be country.
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  Okay.
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  So, and that comes from your mom.
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  Is she musically inclined as well?
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  No.
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  Okay.
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  My dad's not either.
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  Where does the music come from?
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  God.
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  Okay.
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  To be honest.
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  All right.
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  Thank you.
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  I love it.
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  Yeah.
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  Praise the man.
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  He's the one that takes care of it.
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  Right.
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  Okay.
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  So you started in pop.
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  going towards country you got some rock
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  you just posted something the other day uh
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  you did a rock version yeah um love
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  the way you lie and I was going
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  to ask about that like okay first of
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  all hugely iconic song I love it everybody
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  knows that song you don't even have to
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  be a Rihanna or Eminem fan and you
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  know that song right
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  What is the excitement or intimidation in
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  approaching such a big song?
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  And then when it starts to get a
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  little traction, because I mean,
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  like you're starting to get, you know,
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  some views and stuff are really getting up
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  on that.
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  How...
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  again because it's just an iconic song so
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  so where where's that factor of i'm really
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  gonna try to do this with a a
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  rihanna song you know what i'm saying yeah
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  so well i mean rihanna's one of my
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  favorites too um i'm such a rihanna fan
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  you know back from the ponder replay days
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  all the way to uh lift me up
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  so i really like her music a lot
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  um
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  And I think I would take it more
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  of like as an honor to get to
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  re envision somebody else's song that I
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  really like.
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  And of course,
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  I hope I do it justice too,
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  because what I don't want to do is,
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  you know,
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  not do what I feel like it deserves.
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  So I don't really get, you know,
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  scared to do it or anything like that
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  sure some people might hate it and some
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  people really love the fact that it's an
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  iconic song that is re-envisioned into
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  something different you know right so it's
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  just like a different feeling um that the
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  original song is very heartfelt you know
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  um and then this one is kind of
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  like we're gonna scream it in the car
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  yeah you know so it's just different
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  feelings to it what about the people that
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  don't know that it's remake
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  Because there will be people that don't
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  know.
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  Yeah, I've seen some comments.
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  Right.
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  Okay.
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  They're like, wow, this is a hit.
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  I'm like, oh, yeah.
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  Yeah, it is.
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  Here's your sign.
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  You get a lot of songs.
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  I don't want to say a lot,
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  but there are songs out there that people
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  play.
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  Oh, listen.
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  Greatest example I can think of just right
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  off the top of my head.
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  Tennessee whiskey, Chris Tableton.
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  So many people thought that was his song.
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  And what cracked me up was people would
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  correct him.
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  Like, no, it was George Jones song.
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  And then you have to be like, no,
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  no, no.
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  It was a David Allen co song.
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  And so like, you know,
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  it went through all those, those levels,
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  if you will.
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  And so that's the unique,
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  the first time I heard love the way
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  you lie.
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  I was like,
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  that's the first it's very well done.
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  And then you,
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  you sit there and you think about it
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  from the aspect of somebody's been here
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  for the first time and not know that
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  this is a, a, uh, right.
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  A cover.
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  And so it just is absolutely,
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  it blows my mind from that aspect.
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  But, um, I don't know.
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  I've tried to dabble in like making songs,
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  my own that are big songs.
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  Yeah.
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  It's hard to do.
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  I think it's hard to do.
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  It is for sure.
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  Because you always hear the original.
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  You know what I'm saying?
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  So for you and your team,
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  well done on that.
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  Thank you.
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  Because that's tough to do and to take
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  it where that aspect is.
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  Yeah,
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  that's one thing that I try to do
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  when I do covers.
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  So I...
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  did a cover of whiskey lullaby with drew
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  jacobs and it was a rock version as
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  well um and if you listen to it
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  i really completely changed the melody of
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  it i did it like a lot different
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  um because i don't like to i guess
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  do things the same because i do want
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  to at least give it my own you
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  know um
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  I want to give it something that would
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  be true to me too.
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  So I do try to change a couple
• 16:39
  melodies here and there.
• 16:40
  This specific one,
• 16:42
  the team that I did it with,
• 16:43
  they kind of wanted it to be more
• 16:46
  of the original.
• 16:46
  So I, you know,
• 16:48
  I compromised a little bit.
• 16:51
  I was able to do that,
• 16:52
  but then I did some crazy stuff too.
• 16:54
  So, you know,
• 16:54
  I was able to give them a little
• 16:55
  compromise.
• 16:57
  That's awesome.
• 16:57
  Let's take a quick break.
• 16:58
  And then I want to,
• 16:58
  when we come back,
• 17:00
  I want to talk about
• 17:02
  a little bit of technology because I was
• 17:04
  in the barbershop earlier today and they
• 17:09
  had an AI station playing.
• 17:12
  Oh, stop.
• 17:14
  That will frustrate me too.
• 17:16
  Like they were taking some classic.
• 17:19
  No, just don't do it.
• 17:21
  And turning them in.
• 17:22
  You're just going to upset everybody.
• 17:24
  Yeah.
• 17:24
  All right.
• 17:25
  So when we come back,
• 17:26
  we'll discuss further.
• 17:30
  Hi, welcome back, guys.
• 17:31
  I'm your man, Charlie Eblen.
• 17:33
  As always,
• 17:33
  we have our illustrious co-host, Mr.
• 17:35
  Derry Wells, with us today.
• 17:37
  You're about to push the hot button.
• 17:39
  And I am about to push the red
• 17:41
  button.
• 17:44
  Sorry,
• 17:45
  we don't normally talk about politics.
• 17:47
  It's not nuclear codes.
• 17:47
  Did you see?
• 17:50
  You just hit the red button.
• 17:52
  It made me laugh.
• 17:53
  Did you see where Vance was talking about
• 17:58
  uh trump talking to somebody and he kept
• 18:00
  hitting the red button no when he was
• 18:03
  saying basically saying don't mess with us
• 18:05
  we're gonna blow you up and then he
• 18:06
  was hitting the red button and he kind
• 18:09
  of pushed the mic to the side and
• 18:11
  he said don't worry it's just a diet
• 18:13
  coke button oh stop and somebody showed up
• 18:16
  with the diet coke right as he was
• 18:18
  saying it you said hit the red button
• 18:21
  yeah anyways long story short go back to
• 18:25
  the ai so
• 18:27
  I'm in a barbershop and they're like,
• 18:29
  I caught it.
• 18:30
  Like I, I heard, you know,
• 18:33
  when you listen to Dr.
• 18:34
  Dre or M and M or some guys
• 18:38
  that have been in the business we grew
• 18:39
  up on, I mean, yeah,
• 18:41
  that's for years and years and years,
• 18:42
  decades.
• 18:43
  And you hear the beat.
• 18:46
  you you automatically know what it is
• 18:48
  right right and then you start listening
• 18:50
  to the the words and it's some soulful
• 18:56
  fifties you know soul music that's that's
• 19:02
  singing chronic how did this happen
• 19:09
  That's what it should be though.
• 19:11
  It should only be for comedic purposes.
• 19:13
  It, it frustrates me.
• 19:16
  And I, I had like, I'm, I'm,
• 19:19
  I'm already getting worked up.
• 19:20
  I see it.
• 19:21
  It frustrates me because when you do that,
• 19:24
  when, when,
• 19:25
  when you step in with AI for any
• 19:27
  sort of artistry, whether it's we're,
• 19:29
  we're talking graphic arts, painting,
• 19:32
  anything like that, music,
• 19:35
  anything where the talent has to be
• 19:36
  developed, grown, whatever.
• 19:38
  You're taking away from what the heart of
• 19:40
  it all is.
• 19:42
  And that just, and, and I don't.
• 19:45
  I don't get paid for it.
• 19:46
  I'm not trying to make a living doing
• 19:47
  it.
• 19:49
  I am like,
• 19:50
  it frustrates the heck out of me.
• 19:53
  I think there's a comedic level.
• 19:55
  Like if you could take, you know,
• 19:56
  a barbershop quartet and mix it with Ozzy
• 19:58
  Osbourne, that's hilarious.
• 20:00
  I don't want to see,
• 20:01
  as you put it,
• 20:02
  an AI station running this stuff.
• 20:06
  And because there,
• 20:07
  there are already bands popping up on
• 20:09
  Spotify that are fully AI and they're
• 20:12
  getting millions of streams.
• 20:15
  And here's how I think about it from
• 20:17
  the hospitality industry.
• 20:17
  All right.
• 20:19
  What are the servers going to do when
• 20:21
  we have a fully automated line?
• 20:22
  That's just dropping food at a table.
• 20:24
  You know what I'm saying?
• 20:25
  Your hospitality goes down.
• 20:27
  You can't talk to anybody.
• 20:28
  You can't greet anybody at the door.
• 20:29
  It's just, you show up,
• 20:30
  you tap on a screen,
• 20:32
  your food arrived at the table, you leave.
• 20:34
  And like, you see what I'm saying?
• 20:36
  And I know that's a little bit of
• 20:36
  a fetch, but like, how much of,
• 20:39
  how much of the,
• 20:40
  of technology do you see changing music?
• 20:46
  I mean, you know,
• 20:47
  there was an AI artist that got a
• 20:50
  record deal.
• 20:51
  You know, it's crazy.
• 20:52
  It's an R&B singer,
• 20:54
  and it makes me mad because, you know,
• 20:56
  obviously I do know a bunch of incredible
• 21:01
  singers who, you know, won't even get the,
• 21:04
  you know,
• 21:05
  the light that they deserve with their
• 21:07
  talent,
• 21:08
  and then you have a robot coming in
• 21:10
  and taking over.
• 21:10
  So I don't know.
• 21:12
  That's a topic for me, too,
• 21:14
  that gets me worked up,
• 21:15
  and I don't even like thinking about it
• 21:17
  because it will eventually –
• 21:21
  take over and then it takes out the
• 21:23
  creativity.
• 21:24
  I love making music.
• 21:25
  I write my own music.
• 21:26
  I can hear melodies.
• 21:29
  So, you know, that comes from something.
• 21:32
  That comes from something that gives you
• 21:34
  these, you know, creative thoughts.
• 21:36
  And to just let that be taken away
• 21:39
  by a machine, I don't really agree with,
• 21:42
  but, you know.
• 21:43
  Is there AI technology?
• 21:45
  And I don't know enough about the music
• 21:46
  business.
• 21:47
  Derry's way more versed in music than I
• 21:50
  am.
• 21:50
  And I think we're both extremely amateurs
• 21:51
  compared to Jonah, let alone yourself.
• 21:54
  Yeah.
• 21:56
  facts you know jonah's killing it right i
• 22:00
  can't string three words together that
• 22:02
  rhyme you got a whole bar like what
• 22:05
  am i um are there things out there
• 22:08
  that that that help you
• 22:13
  With writing,
• 22:14
  with coming up with a different melody,
• 22:16
  with whatever it may be that are needed
• 22:23
  versus where people are creating an AI
• 22:26
  that are getting contracts with labels
• 22:29
  that any of us in the room could
• 22:32
  have done.
• 22:33
  No,
• 22:34
  I don't think that there's anything that
• 22:36
  you need AI for in music.
• 22:38
  Unfortunately, yes,
• 22:38
  people do use it all the time,
• 22:41
  but there's nothing that I would think
• 22:44
  that you would need.
• 22:45
  I mean, when you're writing,
• 22:47
  you have somebody who's incredible on
• 22:49
  guitar and they can do a guitar lick
• 22:52
  and that will bounce off the next person
• 22:55
  who's like, oh, well, I just heard that.
• 22:56
  What about this melody to go with that?
• 22:58
  And then you hear a melody and you
• 22:59
  say, oh, well,
• 23:00
  these words would fit really well with
• 23:01
  that.
• 23:01
  And then that's how the song gets created.
• 23:04
  And there's really no need for artificial
• 23:06
  intelligence to come in and, you know,
• 23:08
  have any part in that.
• 23:10
  So do you play as well?
• 23:12
  Not really.
• 23:13
  No.
• 23:15
  Beyond the ability to have like editing.
• 23:18
  And I will give some of that credence
• 23:20
  because it can.
• 23:21
  feather out some of those timing issues or
• 23:24
  some stuff like that and i'll give you
• 23:25
  that maybe just a little maybe for
• 23:27
  production sure production uh but beyond
• 23:29
  that um like she's saying because so many
• 23:32
  of those sessions where those writers are
• 23:34
  coming in or just people who learn how
• 23:36
  to jam
• 23:38
  It's just,
• 23:38
  somebody's just playing a lick and then
• 23:41
  all of a sudden one looks over and
• 23:42
  he plays on top of that.
• 23:44
  And there's a whole song built because
• 23:45
  somebody was just hitting a little thing
• 23:47
  on a tune.
• 23:48
  And it's a beautiful thing too.
• 23:49
  You know,
• 23:50
  it's like so cool to watch it come
• 23:53
  to life.
• 23:54
  yeah I have a friend of mine he
• 23:56
  actually created the intro music to our
• 23:59
  show he's been on the show he's a
• 24:01
  producer here in town his name's Tim Hill
• 24:04
  he's the guru I love him to death
• 24:07
  Tim's amazing he's probably one of my best
• 24:09
  friends he's awesome he's really good dude
• 24:14
  I'll see him in the morning I will
• 24:21
  I called him and said, Hey, man,
• 24:24
  I need some intro music to my show.
• 24:27
  Can you create something for me?
• 24:29
  And he was like, Yeah,
• 24:30
  what do you want?
• 24:32
  And I said, I'm thinking like, Eminem,
• 24:37
  Johnny Cash, and ESPN, all mixed together.
• 24:44
  And he says,
• 24:46
  okay can you imagine give me three things
• 24:50
  that are not related and i'll try to
• 24:52
  make them fit right i love it but
• 24:54
  he did it but he came back it
• 24:56
  sounds so good right like ten minutes
• 24:59
  later it was like here you go yeah
• 25:02
  literally i mean he sent me he sent
• 25:04
  me something back ten minutes later and
• 25:05
  was like how's this sound
• 25:07
  Okay.
• 25:09
  And I'm like, oh, okay.
• 25:12
  But it's his mind works differently.
• 25:16
  Right.
• 25:18
  And I can hear it catching.
• 25:19
  That's right.
• 25:19
  And we talk about it all the time.
• 25:21
  Like the technology today has changed so
• 25:27
  much to where.
• 25:30
  our new generation are coming up,
• 25:33
  and I would have never at ten gotten
• 25:36
  on YouTube.
• 25:38
  I mean, YouTube wasn't a thing then, but,
• 25:41
  you know.
• 25:43
  Make us sound older, Charlie.
• 25:44
  We had the yellow pages.
• 25:47
  Yeah.
• 25:48
  But back when AOL dial up was still
• 25:51
  coming around.
• 25:51
  That was, that was, yeah,
• 25:55
  they finally cut that off like a month
• 25:57
  ago.
• 25:57
  I heard.
• 25:58
  Yeah.
• 25:58
  They, they finally, so, um,
• 26:01
  and run two sticks,
• 26:02
  get somebody's attention question for
• 26:04
  Caitlin here.
• 26:05
  Okay.
• 26:06
  When it comes to the AI and maybe
• 26:07
  even you from the technology standpoint,
• 26:09
  cuz I got it from the ethics side
• 26:12
  of it.
• 26:13
  Who owns the AI,
• 26:15
  who owns that artist that comes in,
• 26:18
  who owns the rights to that music?
• 26:20
  You see what I'm saying?
• 26:21
  Because it,
• 26:22
  or is it just from a created?
• 26:24
  Okay.
• 26:25
  But you have to tell the AI what
• 26:26
  you want.
• 26:27
  I understand that.
• 26:28
  But my point though,
• 26:29
  in that comes to this,
• 26:31
  she owns a song.
• 26:33
  She owns all the rights to her own
• 26:34
  music and she can make money on that.
• 26:37
  And now we have an AI artist is
• 26:39
  just generating money for whoever.
• 26:43
  And so that comes to begs for me
• 26:46
  the question of when you have the
• 26:48
  creativity,
• 26:49
  when you have the things that are being
• 26:51
  built again, she,
• 26:53
  you said they've already got a record deal
• 26:54
  or whatever it is.
• 26:55
  How many people have been beaten down the
• 26:58
  streets of Nashville for ten, fifteen,
• 26:59
  twenty years?
• 27:01
  And they're still playing for five hundred
• 27:02
  bucks a night because they can't quite get
• 27:03
  that one little thing to catch.
• 27:05
  And, you know, and.
• 27:07
  Look,
• 27:07
  the music business is you think the
• 27:10
  restaurant business is hard.
• 27:11
  Oh, I can't imagine.
• 27:11
  I absolutely cannot imagine.
• 27:13
  Bless your heart.
• 27:14
  Yeah.
• 27:14
  How long?
• 27:16
  No, you don't work.
• 27:17
  as far as like a job's concerned, right?
• 27:19
  The music is your job, right?
• 27:21
  Yeah, I used to sell cars.
• 27:24
  But in twenty twenty, I thought, well,
• 27:27
  now is the perfect time to dove all
• 27:30
  into, you know, doing music.
• 27:31
  So twenty twenty,
• 27:34
  I just went all in for music.
• 27:37
  And twenty actually the end of twenty
• 27:40
  twenty was when we dropped God,
• 27:42
  we need you now.
• 27:43
  And
• 27:44
  um it became a gold record so it's
• 27:46
  a great song it's crazy so um oh
• 27:50
  yeah no i love it you know uh
• 27:51
  it's funny when he first sent me that
• 27:53
  we had you booked i was like
• 27:55
  don't know that i've ever really heard of
• 27:57
  a whole lot of her stuff and so
• 27:59
  i went and started listening i was like
• 28:00
  holy crap so now and that's actually a
• 28:04
  question i was going to ask i do
• 28:06
  almost all my streaming on one specific
• 28:09
  platform so i don't hear anything that
• 28:12
  comes on the radio anymore right i
• 28:14
  couldn't tell you the last time i turned
• 28:15
  the radio on
• 28:17
  uh you know what i mean so when
• 28:19
  you get a and we play every saturday
• 28:22
  morning on the radio that's great i do
• 28:25
  it through my app you stream it i
• 28:26
  i stream it yeah that's my point like
• 28:28
  that's what i that's what i was going
• 28:29
  to say so i go listen to our
• 28:31
  show that is my on the stream i
• 28:34
  listen to the stream and when our show's
• 28:36
  over i turn it off i'm talking about
• 28:38
  just having a radio on so you're getting
• 28:39
  new content right so new exposure
• 28:43
  how do you get a gold record on
• 28:45
  something like that if you're not sure if
• 28:47
  it's out there because i mean there's a
• 28:48
  lot of us that are starting to go
• 28:49
  towards just the streaming route how do
• 28:51
  they determine that gold record how do
• 28:52
  they find out hey there's this this girl
• 28:55
  coming up on the scene with we're not
• 28:57
  hearing new stuff streamed that way
• 29:00
  So that song just happened to be like
• 29:03
  a very lucky thing.
• 29:05
  It had a very important message and it
• 29:07
  came out at the perfect time and it
• 29:09
  ended up going viral on TikTok.
• 29:11
  Okay.
• 29:12
  So a lot of my songs that do
• 29:13
  really well are because they go viral on
• 29:18
  TikTok.
• 29:19
  I work the heck out of my TikTok.
• 29:21
  um god we need you now millions and
• 29:24
  millions of people use that you know song
• 29:27
  and heard that song um i had a
• 29:29
  song called you lied that one um resonated
• 29:32
  with a lot of people and it ended
• 29:34
  up going viral on tiktok it's fine it
• 29:36
  resonated with a lot of girls yeah no
• 29:39
  no it actually okay so when i wrote
• 29:42
  you lied
• 29:44
  It was, to me, like a heartbreak song.
• 29:48
  But the amount of people that took the
• 29:52
  message from that song as paying respects
• 29:57
  to somebody that actually passed away,
• 30:00
  insane.
• 30:00
  Because I didn't think of it when I
• 30:02
  was writing that.
• 30:04
  And it started, you know,
• 30:06
  I started watching people make videos to
• 30:09
  the sound and it was like in memory
• 30:11
  of this person.
• 30:12
  And I was like, oh my gosh, wow,
• 30:13
  they're taking this as a, like, you know,
• 30:16
  if I had one more day with this
• 30:17
  person.
• 30:18
  That's deep.
• 30:19
  Yeah.
• 30:19
  I never would have.
• 30:20
  That's how crazy music is.
• 30:22
  You just changed my whole day.
• 30:25
  Because like I said, I told,
• 30:26
  I was like, girls did that.
• 30:27
  You lied.
• 30:28
  Like you, you know, that's,
• 30:29
  that's exactly where, yeah.
• 30:30
  Yeah.
• 30:30
  Like you just, but you just nailed it.
• 30:32
  Like music is so interpretative and what
• 30:37
  one person will take something as another
• 30:40
  will take it totally different.
• 30:41
  Right.
• 30:41
  Exactly.
• 30:42
  that's crazy um you say you work in
• 30:46
  your TikTok and those that go viral what
• 30:49
  does that I'll say what does that look
• 30:51
  like we know what it looks like but
• 30:54
  when you're out there thinking hey if I
• 30:56
  can get this to go is it just
• 30:58
  a matter of post repost repost repost
• 31:01
  always include the sound always include
• 31:03
  the audio or is it hey
• 31:06
  here's me with my feet propped up after
• 31:08
  breakfast, listen to my song.
• 31:09
  You know what I'm saying?
• 31:10
  And like that kind of thing is a
• 31:11
  little bit of both.
• 31:12
  Is it just you?
• 31:14
  Like, it's funny because on your story,
• 31:17
  you posted while you're waiting right out
• 31:18
  here.
• 31:18
  Yeah.
• 31:19
  You know what I'm saying?
• 31:20
  And so like,
• 31:20
  so you start seeing these things as they
• 31:23
  come about.
• 31:25
  So,
• 31:25
  because there are some of us trying to
• 31:27
  get up and going and get to some
• 31:29
  of the, like,
• 31:29
  you've got quite the following.
• 31:31
  And I went and compared you and the
• 31:34
  followers that you have to some of our
• 31:35
  others.
• 31:37
  that we've had on the show.
• 31:38
  And you're one of our higher end as
• 31:40
  far as the people we've had.
• 31:42
  And so like,
• 31:43
  we're obviously trying to grow this and
• 31:46
  he's working the heck out of making reels
• 31:48
  and all that kind of stuff.
• 31:50
  How do you say,
• 31:51
  so when you say I'm working the heck
• 31:53
  out of my TikTok, what is that?
• 31:56
  it means a lot of trial and error
• 31:57
  okay it means that you never know what's
• 32:00
  gonna you know end up going viral because
• 32:03
  my song that i just released w made
• 32:05
  i was like oh yeah people are gonna
• 32:06
  love this they're gonna eat this up and
• 32:09
  you know it didn't do really well on
• 32:10
  my tick tock um and i posted it
• 32:13
  i got a thousand pre-saves like i worked
• 32:16
  that yeah and um
• 32:19
  And it didn't end up going viral.
• 32:20
  I mean, it did well,
• 32:21
  but it didn't go viral.
• 32:22
  And, you know,
• 32:23
  viral is millions and millions of views.
• 32:25
  Look, when I heard it,
• 32:26
  I would have thought it was going to
• 32:27
  go viral.
• 32:27
  I'm biased, but I like all my music.
• 32:31
  No, I really liked it.
• 32:32
  Oh, I did too.
• 32:32
  Look,
• 32:33
  I'm very skeptical on when people come out
• 32:35
  with new stuff, right?
• 32:36
  Because it's your brain, right?
• 32:39
  So what you think is in the moment
• 32:43
  really is,
• 32:44
  and please tell me if I'm wrong,
• 32:45
  but it has a lot to do with
• 32:46
  where you're at
• 32:48
  personally.
• 32:49
  Right.
• 32:49
  So what's going on in your life during
• 32:51
  that time?
• 32:51
  What's, you know,
• 32:53
  at least the artist that I've met in
• 32:54
  the past.
• 32:55
  Right.
• 32:55
  And please tell me.
• 32:56
  But, you know, like,
• 32:57
  where does where does a lot of your
• 32:59
  inspiration come from?
• 33:00
  Yeah, I mean,
• 33:03
  Sometimes it's about things that happen
• 33:06
  other times, you know,
• 33:09
  specifically for W made.
• 33:11
  Um,
• 33:12
  I was in a room with Ned Cameron,
• 33:15
  my producer struggle Jennings, um,
• 33:17
  Cole miracle and Bo Bailey.
• 33:19
  Those are, I mean,
• 33:20
  that is a room to be in so
• 33:22
  much talent in that room.
• 33:24
  And, um,
• 33:26
  And probably some hilarious conversations.
• 33:28
  I love it.
• 33:29
  And Cole had this idea of, you know,
• 33:32
  like, what about this song?
• 33:33
  Like, you know,
• 33:34
  don't put a girl through hell if you
• 33:35
  can't deal with the devil you made.
• 33:37
  I was like, sold.
• 33:38
  Let's write it right now.
• 33:41
  Did you hear it just go right then?
• 33:42
  Me and Struggle looked at each other like,
• 33:44
  that's insane.
• 33:45
  Let's write it now.
• 33:47
  So we ended up writing that song and
• 33:49
  it, you know.
• 33:50
  it was an incredible song i mean i
• 33:52
  have not dated anybody in a very very
• 33:54
  long time so there really wasn't anybody
• 33:56
  that hurt my feelings but it was just
• 33:57
  a great song you know no that's great
• 34:00
  i love that where uh uh where does
• 34:08
  the drive for you making music come from
• 34:11
  like where does that inspiration from like
• 34:14
  me growing up music for me was
• 34:19
  it was a place of escape, right?
• 34:21
  It was a soulful experience.
• 34:23
  It was a self-reflecting,
• 34:26
  and it still is to this day.
• 34:27
  When I'm,
• 34:31
  you ever see me in the gym,
• 34:33
  most of the time you'll see me with
• 34:34
  a hoodie on,
• 34:36
  I'm face down like I'm not here to
• 34:39
  talk to you.
• 34:39
  Right.
• 34:40
  Right.
• 34:40
  Right.
• 34:41
  I'm here to reset my brain for the
• 34:43
  day.
• 34:43
  You know what I mean?
• 34:44
  Like,
• 34:44
  let's get back to normal so I can
• 34:46
  go go people.
• 34:48
  But, you know,
• 34:50
  so where does yours come from?
• 34:52
  Where's the inspiration?
• 34:53
  What's the music side that really drives
• 34:55
  you?
• 34:56
  I just really like doing this.
• 34:58
  I can't explain it.
• 34:59
  I mean,
• 34:59
  I've wanted to make music since I was
• 35:03
  very, very little.
• 35:05
  And
• 35:06
  You know,
• 35:07
  I tried out for every singing show that
• 35:09
  you could possibly imagine from the time
• 35:11
  that I was sixteen years old till I
• 35:13
  was twenty two years old and I got
• 35:15
  told no, no, no.
• 35:16
  But I am so stubborn and I know
• 35:17
  when I like love something like I will
• 35:21
  figure it out no matter what.
• 35:23
  Maybe it's just because I'm stubborn,
• 35:25
  but I really love music and it's just
• 35:28
  what I've always wanted to do.
• 35:29
  Like, I don't see any other outcome,
• 35:33
  you know?
• 35:34
  If somebody said, what's your plan B?
• 35:38
  I don't know.
• 35:38
  I'll figure it out if that was the
• 35:40
  case, but I don't see a plan B.
• 35:41
  I just really like making music.
• 35:43
  Somebody text me this week.
• 35:44
  I just won't take no for an answer.
• 35:46
  Right.
• 35:46
  And when you realize that that's where the
• 35:49
  drive is,
• 35:51
  I think that has to do less about
• 35:53
  what the outcome is, whether it's music,
• 35:57
  hospitality, whatever.
• 35:59
  And I think it becomes more about the
• 36:01
  passion and where you're focusing in your
• 36:05
  attention is because how many of us are
• 36:07
  willing to be like, well,
• 36:10
  I was trying this and the, you know,
• 36:13
  and the third time you fail and there's
• 36:15
  no plan B or whatever, but you know,
• 36:17
  and so, um,
• 36:19
  that has really been resonating with me a
• 36:21
  lot here lately of just that idea of,
• 36:24
  I don't have a backup plan.
• 36:26
  Like, this is what we do.
• 36:27
  This is, you know, full-fledged ahead.
• 36:29
  And so I commend you on that because
• 36:33
  I can only imagine as having a,
• 36:37
  being a young mother and you're looking at
• 36:39
  all this ahead of you and you're thinking,
• 36:41
  all right, it's sink or swim right now.
• 36:43
  Like there is no, like, I mean,
• 36:45
  it just, it's easy when I say easy.
• 36:47
  I just, it is not easy,
• 36:49
  but you know, when you've got a wife,
• 36:50
  you've got a support system, you've got,
• 36:52
  you know, whatever.
• 36:53
  We are.
• 36:54
  It's easy.
• 36:55
  I wake up in rainbows and unicorns.
• 36:57
  You've never had a bad day, have you?
• 37:02
  Until the soda salesman shows up.
• 37:05
  I don't want to touch a nerve there,
• 37:06
  but anyway, so, but you know, it's there,
• 37:11
  there's just a different struggle if you
• 37:12
  will.
• 37:13
  And so I think that too many times
• 37:16
  we look at people and say, oh,
• 37:18
  well they're,
• 37:18
  they're internet sensations or they're
• 37:20
  social media sensations,
• 37:21
  or they've got this, or they've got that.
• 37:24
  And they don't see what all was going
• 37:27
  on behind the scenes.
• 37:28
  Why that was built.
• 37:29
  Because I mean, just like you, I mean,
• 37:30
  how you've just shared with me sometimes,
• 37:34
  but how many times it's that just soft,
• 37:37
  gentle rejection.
• 37:37
  Well,
• 37:38
  that's not quite where we're going just
• 37:39
  yet, you know, and,
• 37:40
  or you're about to sign the paperwork and
• 37:42
  somebody else swoops in and you're just
• 37:44
  like,
• 37:44
  you want to need a long bike ride
• 37:47
  that afternoon.
• 37:48
  Right.
• 37:48
  So I feel like he's telling my life
• 37:50
  story right
• 37:51
  But I mean,
• 37:53
  and so I think that's what interests me
• 37:55
  when you say there is no backup plan.
• 37:58
  Like this is what I want to do.
• 37:59
  I love it.
• 37:59
  And this is where I go.
• 38:01
  And so you're going to make it happen.
• 38:03
  And there's a beautiful element in that to
• 38:07
  want to stay in that.
• 38:08
  Yeah.
• 38:09
  And you got to love what you do
• 38:10
  too.
• 38:10
  There has to be some like love for
• 38:13
  what you do also, or else you would,
• 38:15
  if you didn't love what you did,
• 38:16
  you would not.
• 38:18
  you know go for it one hundred percent
• 38:20
  right even when all odds are against you
• 38:22
  and everybody's you know like oh no now's
• 38:25
  not the time or you're not ready you're
• 38:26
  not good enough you're not this you're not
• 38:28
  that but you have to believe in yourself
• 38:31
  so much that everybody there could be a
• 38:34
  thousand people telling you no but you
• 38:36
  know you know so i don't think i
• 38:40
  don't think you have a chance of being
• 38:41
  successful if you're not there
• 38:44
  If you're not at that point,
• 38:46
  there's a difference in being talented.
• 38:52
  and dabbling in something and trying to do
• 38:55
  it and it's not i paint a little
• 38:57
  bit but i'm not a painter right you
• 38:59
  know what i mean like because the
• 39:01
  difference in in you know i put it
• 39:04
  to you this way gentleman walked up to
• 39:06
  me yesterday i'm saying it's a smoker and
• 39:09
  he left and and as he's walking walking
• 39:12
  out of the restaurant he comes up to
• 39:13
  me and says you know what can i
• 39:15
  pray for you for
• 39:18
  And that's great.
• 39:18
  And I'm so blessed to have people that
• 39:22
  come in my restaurant that want to pray
• 39:23
  for me.
• 39:25
  But I simply looked at him and said,
• 39:26
  I said,
• 39:26
  the only thing I want you to pray
• 39:27
  for me for is for me to be
• 39:29
  able to continue to do what I love.
• 39:32
  Because if I can continue to do what
• 39:34
  I love every day, then I'm not working.
• 39:39
  I'm being able to make that positive
• 39:40
  impact in people's lives every single day,
• 39:42
  every day I wake up.
• 39:43
  And that's amazing.
• 39:46
  that's why i'm doing what i'm doing not
• 39:48
  to be rich not not to have some
• 39:51
  hang on but be famous or whatever right
• 39:54
  do you realize the wisdom of that answer
• 39:56
  though because in that think about what
• 40:00
  you do do the number of lives impacted
• 40:06
  whether you are, I mean, I,
• 40:08
  I know you had an event today with,
• 40:10
  uh, uh, Redstone and, and the,
• 40:13
  the first responders and stuff that they
• 40:14
  did, the veteran meetups that you do,
• 40:18
  the bite night rallies, what we did, uh,
• 40:21
  for the two young men with minutes wisely
• 40:23
  fleet, this is all, uh, you know,
• 40:26
  all rooted in and based around the fact
• 40:30
  that you own a restaurant.
• 40:33
  The wisdom in your answer there,
• 40:34
  I need you not just to flippantly let
• 40:38
  that go.
• 40:38
  The wisdom in your answer,
• 40:40
  I need you to pray that I can
• 40:41
  just do what I love,
• 40:43
  continue to do what I love.
• 40:46
  There is a level there that most people
• 40:48
  will never understand because they are
• 40:51
  still searching for what they love.
• 40:53
  I think that's the point, D.
• 40:54
  I think that's to Caitlin's point.
• 40:57
  If you're not there...
• 40:59
  If you're not to the point to where
• 41:01
  that means damn near everything to you,
• 41:05
  right?
• 41:06
  You know,
• 41:06
  like the only thing that means more to
• 41:08
  me than what I get to do every
• 41:09
  day is my wife and kids, right?
• 41:12
  Like it's wife, kids, work.
• 41:15
  And then everything else, right?
• 41:17
  Like that's life for me.
• 41:19
  And, you know, just like her,
• 41:20
  I'm sure the only thing that means more
• 41:22
  to her than music is Jonah.
• 41:24
  You know, like...
• 41:26
  You know, he's pretty cute little fella.
• 41:27
  She's got a little soft heart.
• 41:28
  Every time, she's like, oh, hey,
• 41:29
  you're such a mom.
• 41:31
  Yeah, it's great.
• 41:31
  I love it, man.
• 41:35
  Just wait.
• 41:35
  There'll be a twenty-one and not text you
• 41:37
  back for too long.
• 41:37
  I know.
• 41:37
  My poor mom deals with that.
• 41:40
  She'll text me and it'll be like three
• 41:42
  weeks before I answer.
• 41:43
  But I do call her every day, though,
• 41:44
  so.
• 41:45
  that you're fine then you're covered in
• 41:46
  that but like i literally last night i
• 41:48
  texted my kids and i was in a
• 41:49
  funk they one of them looked at me
• 41:52
  at mom's house and looked over go why
• 41:53
  do you look so angry and sad and
• 41:56
  i said i'm just over it all and
• 41:58
  like what and i said it
• 42:00
  all of it and i was just done
• 42:02
  right and they were wanting me to get
• 42:05
  specific i was not going to get specific
• 42:07
  i just it was a day and uh
• 42:09
  so we all hang out we do tuesday
• 42:10
  night dinner at my mom's house every
• 42:11
  tuesday so we're all hanging out we're
• 42:12
  doing the thing whatever and after
• 42:15
  everybody left hey guys love y'all thanks
• 42:19
  for hanging out it really helped me feel
• 42:20
  in a better mood appreciate it
• 42:23
  one daughter hearts it and that's it
• 42:25
  nobody and I was like Right and my
• 42:30
  oldest daughter hearted it nobody else
• 42:31
  anything and I was like,
• 42:32
  all right I'm a dad to young adults
• 42:35
  that I understand this That's a beautiful
• 42:45
  thing
• 42:46
  All right,
• 42:46
  we every show we do a segment.
• 42:50
  Okay, and in this segment,
• 42:53
  it's a this or that segment.
• 42:55
  And it's, it's called Mac, or beans.
• 43:00
  Okay,
• 43:00
  so you can't answer at the same time.
• 43:03
  Got to give separate answers.
• 43:06
  But when you go to a barbecue restaurant
• 43:09
  or really any restaurant,
• 43:10
  you get a choice,
• 43:11
  but barbecue restaurants, you always,
• 43:14
  you're either going to pick the Mac and
• 43:15
  beans or the Mac and cheese or the
• 43:17
  Mac or the, the smoked beans, right?
• 43:20
  Some barbecue baked beans.
• 43:23
  Which one would you pick Jonah,
• 43:25
  the Mac and cheese or the beans?
• 43:28
  Definitely the mac and cheese.
• 43:29
  Definitely the mac and cheese.
• 43:31
  You like the mac and cheese.
• 43:32
  Okay.
• 43:32
  I got you.
• 43:35
  All right.
• 43:35
  And you?
• 43:36
  Yeah, the mac and cheese.
• 43:37
  Mac and cheese.
• 43:38
  It's a twofer today.
• 43:39
  It is.
• 43:40
  We don't get many.
• 43:43
  Well, yeah.
• 43:45
  Oh yeah.
• 43:45
  Yeah.
• 43:45
  I was like, what,
• 43:46
  who are you counting over here?
• 43:48
  You've been involved in your messages too
• 43:49
  hard.
• 43:50
  Lightning fingers over there.
• 43:51
  I hear pick your paper and I'm like,
• 43:53
  what's going on behind you?
• 43:55
  You didn't know it.
• 43:58
  There are three bags waiting outside.
• 43:59
  So never going to live that down.
• 44:03
  Oh man.
• 44:08
  mac and cheese clean sweet i love it
• 44:10
  i love it especially it's good stuff if
• 44:14
  you do go to his restaurant you got
• 44:17
  to try the beans though like i just
• 44:19
  yeah anytime come on
• 44:23
  So with that being said,
• 44:27
  the other side of the Mac and beans
• 44:29
  is when you're making music in your
• 44:32
  careers thus far.
• 44:35
  Do you you said you liked writing pop
• 44:39
  songs to begin with?
• 44:41
  At this point,
• 44:42
  now you've dabbled in a lot of different
• 44:44
  genres.
• 44:46
  Is your favorite the pop or country?
• 44:51
  it's definitely country definitely come
• 44:53
  yeah definitely country I love I love all
• 44:56
  music it doesn't matter what it is I
• 44:59
  listen to a lot of like gospel music
• 45:03
  but for me yeah country music who's your
• 45:06
  favorite gospel okay so my favorite song
• 45:09
  is holy forever okay and I also like
• 45:14
  what an awesome God so probably Chris
• 45:17
  Tomlin I would say
• 45:23
  Was that you?
• 45:23
  Yes.
• 45:24
  You sure?
• 45:25
  Yeah.
• 45:26
  Okay, just making sure.
• 45:27
  From a pure talent standpoint,
• 45:31
  in that realm, that genre, if you will,
• 45:33
  CeCe Winans.
• 45:34
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 45:38
  Lady Cassine.
• 45:38
  Absolutely.
• 45:39
  She was gifted and blessed.
• 45:42
  Another amazing artist,
• 45:46
  Tasha Page Lockhart.
• 45:49
  If you haven't heard her, wow,
• 45:52
  incredible singer.
• 45:53
  Tasha Page Lockhart.
• 45:54
  I gotta take notes.
• 45:55
  Yeah, Tasha Page Lockhart.
• 45:56
  Here's how I take notes.
• 45:57
  I open up my Spotify,
• 45:59
  do a search so it saves the search,
• 46:01
  and I'll go back and look at it.
• 46:04
  So I will tell you,
• 46:08
  Jelly's new song or Brandon Lake's new
• 46:11
  song with Jelly Roll turned me on to
• 46:14
  Brandon Lake.
• 46:15
  Yeah.
• 46:17
  And I went, geez,
• 46:21
  probably months without even batting an
• 46:23
  eye and didn't even think about Brandon
• 46:25
  Lake.
• 46:25
  Right.
• 46:27
  And over the last few weeks,
• 46:28
  I started pulling up all of his stuff.
• 46:31
  He's a really good singer.
• 46:33
  holy cow the guy's got a set of
• 46:35
  pipes on him he can wail i i
• 46:39
  just was i was really kind of blown
• 46:40
  away at how like because look when you
• 46:44
  have a guy um that gets a cameo
• 46:48
  from an artist as well known as jelly
• 46:51
  is now right
• 46:54
  One,
• 46:56
  Jelly has a special place in my heart
• 46:58
  from long ago,
• 47:01
  so I listen to anything that he puts
• 47:03
  out, but then to have this guy,
• 47:06
  and it's totally opposite of anything that
• 47:09
  I would have ever thought Jelly would have
• 47:11
  done, sparked interest, right?
• 47:14
  But I was shocked at how good of
• 47:17
  an artist he is.
• 47:18
  Like Brandon Lake can,
• 47:19
  he's got some stuff.
• 47:20
  If you like that one too,
• 47:22
  if you like the hard fought Hallelujah,
• 47:25
  you will also love Jelly and Struggle did
• 47:29
  a song called Only God Knows.
• 47:33
  And I think like both of those,
• 47:35
  like the one with Brandon and then the
• 47:36
  one with Struggle,
• 47:37
  those are both two like incredible songs.
• 47:40
  Yeah.
• 47:41
  Struggle,
• 47:42
  I don't think Struggle gets the kudos he
• 47:45
  deserves.
• 47:46
  He's so talented, dude.
• 47:48
  His brain...
• 47:50
  one of the best writers ever like it's
• 47:52
  crazy he's crazy now he comes from a
• 47:55
  lot of bars he comes from a line
• 47:58
  of of pretty talented people right but um
• 48:02
  um his his his voice is just so
• 48:06
  unique yeah it's just uh and it's just
• 48:12
  it's just a very unique style you know
• 48:14
  i i love the music
• 48:16
  I think part of going to Brandon Lake
• 48:20
  and Jelly Roll and even yourself,
• 48:23
  a lot of these artists are beginning to
• 48:26
  not pigeonhole themselves into just one
• 48:29
  genre.
• 48:31
  And I think that
• 48:33
  think back ten fifteen years when Taylor
• 48:37
  Swift started to go from the country to
• 48:39
  the pop and everybody's like oh my
• 48:41
  goodness they're playing her on the pop
• 48:43
  station here in Nashville she's always
• 48:45
  been the country station girl and whatever
• 48:48
  and it was kind of this big deal
• 48:49
  and even back if you can go this
• 48:51
  far back I don't know if you can
• 48:53
  but like you know Garth Brooks tried to
• 48:55
  do the the Chris Gaines crossover thing
• 48:57
  right is that a jab
• 48:58
  No, you've made references that were old,
• 49:00
  twelve times a day.
• 49:01
  I figured out the one in there.
• 49:02
  All right.
• 49:03
  But anyway, but, you know,
• 49:06
  like there's been this where it was always
• 49:08
  a crossover, right?
• 49:09
  You had to do one or the other.
• 49:11
  You couldn't do.
• 49:12
  And now I think a lot of artists,
• 49:14
  generally speaking,
• 49:15
  but definitely some of these more
• 49:17
  mainstream artists are holding their own.
• 49:22
  doing a little bit of both and dabbling
• 49:24
  I mean cuz I've never understood why we
• 49:26
  why we've always put people like I mean
• 49:29
  look I think I think the industry forced
• 49:32
  it I think that's what happened and I
• 49:33
  think now you've got people who were
• 49:35
  saying wait a minute I'm a creator let
• 49:37
  me create don't don't tell me I have
• 49:39
  to do this it's like people like Caitlin
• 49:41
  that I mean her your voice is amazing
• 49:44
  and can go across multiple different
• 49:46
  genres without an issue right
• 49:49
  you know, I think, you know,
• 49:51
  like there's people,
• 49:52
  I do think there's people out there that,
• 49:54
  They're probably gonna be, you know,
• 49:56
  Tim McGraw is probably gonna stay in the
• 49:59
  countryside.
• 50:00
  Yeah.
• 50:00
  Yeah.
• 50:01
  Conway Twitty is probably gonna be
• 50:03
  country.
• 50:04
  Well, he, he's no longer with us.
• 50:05
  So you're probably right.
• 50:06
  So yes, you understand.
• 50:07
  I don't think he's putting out any new
• 50:08
  music.
• 50:09
  Jeez.
• 50:09
  That's fine.
• 50:13
  I had Conway Twitty pop up like three
• 50:14
  times in my playlist today.
• 50:15
  I was like, yes, well done Spotify.
• 50:18
  Like finally, but you,
• 50:20
  you look at guys like Morgan Wallen.
• 50:21
  Here's what I think is funny.
• 50:23
  you can have someone like him who'll have
• 50:24
  at one time ten songs on the billboard
• 50:26
  and like he's just crushing everything he
• 50:28
  touches and then you get somebody like
• 50:30
  eric church who is one of my favorites
• 50:33
  but because his crossover is more rock and
• 50:35
  not more pop he doesn't get a whole
• 50:37
  lot of the the fanfare the flair you
• 50:39
  know what i'm saying and but it's still
• 50:41
  quote a crossover and so i think some
• 50:43
  of these guys are real unique also there's
• 50:47
  a part of me that gets
• 50:50
  doesn't appreciate the,
• 50:53
  that everybody has a collab or feature.
• 50:55
  Oh, so-and-so featuring so-and-so.
• 50:58
  And part of me wants to say, well,
• 50:59
  you're just trying to be relevant.
• 51:00
  You're trying to bring somebody on or try
• 51:01
  to do this, try to do that, whatever,
• 51:03
  which I get.
• 51:03
  But also the flip side of that,
• 51:05
  I look at Zach Bryan.
• 51:06
  He had a couple of like, well,
• 51:08
  he had a war entreaty.
• 51:10
  and like i can't remember the guy's name
• 51:12
  from warren treaty but that man can sing
• 51:16
  the phone book yeah for as far as
• 51:18
  i'm concerned and you know so there is
• 51:21
  a lot of this this they don't want
• 51:23
  to be defined because ultimately they're
• 51:26
  artists they want to create whatever your
• 51:30
  heart your mind your soul is putting out
• 51:32
  why does it have to be here
• 51:34
  If you write a song, you know,
• 51:35
  based on what was in a conversation,
• 51:38
  a struggle, you know,
• 51:39
  in the record studio or the one where
• 51:42
  I got this bad breakup,
• 51:44
  both of those are just as equally.
• 51:49
  I agree.
• 51:49
  Content creating, you know, if you will.
• 51:52
  So no, I definitely agree with that.
• 51:53
  I think, you know,
• 51:55
  I don't think anybody should be put into
• 51:56
  a box unless that that's what they want
• 51:58
  to do is they want to only make
• 51:59
  country music.
• 52:00
  But for, you know,
• 52:04
  struggle, rap, now country.
• 52:08
  Jelly Roll, incredible.
• 52:10
  He was rapping country music.
• 52:11
  He did rock, I believe.
• 52:14
  So I like to do all genres.
• 52:18
  I don't know.
• 52:18
  I think it's just fun.
• 52:19
  I think it's more of like you get
• 52:20
  to experiment with different sounds and
• 52:22
  different instruments and different
• 52:25
  melodies.
• 52:26
  So whatever you're feeling.
• 52:28
  Some days I like to sing really,
• 52:29
  really low and I don't want to hit
• 52:31
  a high note.
• 52:32
  And then other days I want to sing
• 52:33
  like Amy Lee, you know?
• 52:35
  Amy Lee.
• 52:35
  There's going to be people who don't know
• 52:39
  who that reference is,
• 52:40
  and that makes me feel good.
• 52:42
  That's awesome.
• 52:42
  All right, Jonah,
• 52:43
  you said earlier that you like to rap
• 52:47
  more than anything else.
• 52:48
  Yeah.
• 52:48
  All right, so who's your favorite rapper?
• 52:52
  Oh.
• 52:53
  Good question.
• 52:55
  I mean, I kind of like Kendrick Lamar.
• 53:00
  you like Lamar okay who do you think
• 53:02
  is the best rapper of all time probably
• 53:10
  like
• 53:13
  Snoop Dogg.
• 53:14
  Snoop.
• 53:14
  All right, little Snoop Dogg.
• 53:19
  All right.
• 53:20
  Okay.
• 53:21
  Now, do you?
• 53:23
  I see that you're wearing a Patriot shirt.
• 53:25
  Yeah.
• 53:26
  So you like football?
• 53:28
  Yep.
• 53:28
  Basketball?
• 53:30
  No.
• 53:31
  No.
• 53:32
  All right.
• 53:32
  He's a big football fan.
• 53:34
  Big football fan.
• 53:34
  He's so smart.
• 53:36
  Like he can name like almost any stadium.
• 53:38
  It's crazy.
• 53:40
  really okay stadium with the lowest
• 53:43
  attendance currently this year wow it's
• 53:48
  easy it's the time it's easy it's the
• 53:49
  titans that's the closest one it's the
• 53:52
  titans gosh man yeah that that and mtsu
• 53:55
  they're they rival each other that'd be a
• 53:58
  heck of a football game those two need
• 53:59
  to play each other right now hey i
• 54:01
  wonder if we called derek no don't no
• 54:04
  just and then who's the who's the the
• 54:07
  titan they don't have one
• 54:09
  Trent,
• 54:09
  it may as well be it could be
• 54:13
  right now.
• 54:13
  I mean, hey, there's an opening.
• 54:15
  There's an opening.
• 54:17
  So like smart with this game,
• 54:20
  they might like actually get some wins.
• 54:22
  Who's your favorite football player,
• 54:23
  buddy?
• 54:24
  Justin Jefferson.
• 54:25
  Yeah, all time Tom Brady.
• 54:27
  All time Tom Brady.
• 54:28
  Okay,
• 54:29
  why do you like Tom Brady so much?
• 54:31
  Um, because he was he was the goat.
• 54:34
  Yeah, but he, like, started out with,
• 54:36
  like, he wasn't good.
• 54:38
  Nobody thought he would be good.
• 54:40
  Sixth round in the draft.
• 54:43
  But then he got seven Super Bowls.
• 54:45
  So he's an underdog.
• 54:48
  He likes an underdog.
• 54:48
  Oh, he absolutely was.
• 54:49
  I mean, he wasn't a starter at Michigan.
• 54:51
  Nope.
• 54:51
  Was the third-string quarterback,
• 54:52
  I believe,
• 54:53
  at New England until Drew B finally got
• 54:55
  hurt.
• 54:55
  The sixth round?
• 54:56
  Yeah, sixth-round draft.
• 54:58
  Drew Brees gets hurt.
• 54:59
  It's the only reason he ever gets to
• 55:00
  go in the game.
• 55:01
  Bledsoe.
• 55:02
  not bruce it was a drew b yeah
• 55:04
  but drew bled so breeze was at uh
• 55:07
  new orleans well at that time he's in
• 55:09
  san diego listen he's gonna tell you all
• 55:16
  right well my time here is done were
• 55:19
  you looking for a co-host position you
• 55:22
  just talked yourself into one all right so
• 55:24
  uh
• 55:30
  what is your mother's favorite song that
• 55:32
  she sings what is your favorite song of
• 55:35
  your mother sorry i said that wrong um
• 55:37
  well it's one that's not out yet it's
• 55:42
  one that's not out yet yeah well said
• 55:44
  friend can he tell me which one it
• 55:46
  is yeah you could say the name of
• 55:53
  it i don't know the name of it
• 55:54
  i just know it's my favorite mom's
• 55:55
  favorite song i like um
• 56:00
  remember what like the words are god we
• 56:04
  need you now is cool you like that
• 56:06
  one yeah like that one that one's out
• 56:07
  okay all right um do we get a
• 56:11
  taste of any of your music tonight oh
• 56:14
  like a like a sneak peek yeah hmm
• 56:19
  well i don't have anything you know
• 56:23
  You don't have to,
• 56:24
  you can make everybody wait.
• 56:26
  We can get Trent to drop something in.
• 56:30
  I'm just asking.
• 56:31
  Well, okay.
• 56:32
  So I,
• 56:34
  the only thing that I have coming out
• 56:35
  right now is the, um,
• 56:38
  the cover of love the way you lie.
• 56:40
  And then I think I'm probably going to
• 56:44
  go through the rest of the year.
• 56:45
  And then my next song will be coming
• 56:48
  out next year, probably like February.
• 56:52
  And that will be the title track.
• 56:54
  So the album should be out about the
• 56:56
  same time.
• 56:57
  Okay.
• 56:58
  And can you tell us what the album
• 57:01
  name is?
• 57:04
  um i don't think so not yet i
• 57:07
  don't think so i have to ask because
• 57:10
  i would do it i would get in
• 57:11
  trouble it's what are you doing you have
• 57:12
  an album coming out in february yes don't
• 57:17
  hold me accountable to that so i have
• 57:21
  one more question about instagram tick
• 57:24
  tock facebook social media side um and you
• 57:30
  started
• 57:33
  jabbing back at some of the comments.
• 57:35
  I love it.
• 57:36
  So fun.
• 57:36
  I don't even know.
• 57:37
  Those are some of my favorite where she
• 57:39
  reads the main tweets.
• 57:40
  Yeah.
• 57:40
  I don't even know if the jabs would
• 57:41
  be right,
• 57:42
  but like I've wanted to do stuff like
• 57:44
  that for so long.
• 57:47
  for so long i want to like you
• 57:48
  know comment on the review that is just
• 57:51
  you know asinine or whatever right or you
• 57:55
  know like we had a uh the hermitage
• 57:57
  golf course in in mount juliet hermitage
• 58:01
  area um in hermitage they have a um
• 58:06
  it's not really hermitage i'm just giving
• 58:08
  you a hard time they they're they're uh
• 58:15
  director of golf answers the phone and
• 58:18
  makes fun of people on the phone.
• 58:20
  Right.
• 58:20
  And they put it on TikTok and Instagram
• 58:22
  and all this stuff.
• 58:23
  And it's hilarious.
• 58:24
  Um,
• 58:25
  so I've wanted to do stuff like that
• 58:27
  for the restaurant,
• 58:28
  but I've never done it.
• 58:30
  So my favorites when you have to do
• 58:32
  it.
• 58:35
  you should I'm here for it like you
• 58:37
  did you did one the other day about
• 58:41
  you know somebody asked you about glasses
• 58:42
  or your nose ring or something like
• 58:45
  everybody either hates it or loves it
• 58:47
  there's no in between they're not like oh
• 58:48
  whatever they're like why do you wear
• 58:50
  glasses you're so weird they're so big
• 58:52
  your glasses are ugly why do you have
• 58:54
  a nose ring in your nose like why
• 58:56
  do you care it's so weird but that's
• 58:58
  what like that's what I don't understand
• 59:00
  is why like who cares
• 59:03
  They care.
• 59:05
  It's not about who cares.
• 59:07
  Because you can look at someone and
• 59:10
  immediately form an opinion.
• 59:11
  And there's something you do like and
• 59:12
  there's something you don't like, right?
• 59:13
  As soon as you see them, right?
• 59:14
  Whatever.
• 59:14
  Yeah.
• 59:15
  my problem is is why do they feel
• 59:17
  the need to share it because they think
• 59:19
  somebody's going to care about their
• 59:21
  thought right yeah you can think whatever
• 59:23
  you want sure you know what they're going
• 59:25
  to say about me like that big fella's
• 59:27
  wearing black but he's trying to cover it
• 59:28
  all up yeah i am it's slimming okay
• 59:30
  that's fine but you know what i don't
• 59:32
  need you to do tell me about it
• 59:34
  i already know i'm doing it i just
• 59:35
  don't need you to put it in my
• 59:36
  face and you know what i didn't want
• 59:38
  your like you know what i'm saying but
• 59:42
  tell me i'm wrong like you know the
• 59:44
  best comment
• 59:47
  That big fella's wearing all black.
• 59:48
  That was great.
• 59:51
  So did you, my question is,
• 59:54
  did you just wake up and go,
• 59:55
  you know what, I'm going to,
• 59:56
  I'm going to spat back a little bit.
• 59:59
  They just, it doesn't, I think it's funny.
• 1:00:01
  To me, I think I crack myself up.
• 1:00:03
  Like I laugh when I watch the videos
• 1:00:05
  back because I think I'm hilarious.
• 1:00:08
  You are pretty funny.
• 1:00:09
  I think it's, I think it's great.
• 1:00:10
  That's why I'm asking.
• 1:00:11
  Yeah.
• 1:00:11
  So I know I don't, I don't.
• 1:00:13
  So, okay.
• 1:00:14
  You're going to comment something mean on
• 1:00:17
  a public page.
• 1:00:18
  Then I can use your comment publicly to
• 1:00:21
  say whatever I want back because you
• 1:00:23
  expressed your opinion.
• 1:00:24
  So now I am allowed to express mine.
• 1:00:27
  That is how it works.
• 1:00:29
  So I don't care, you know,
• 1:00:30
  and then it's like, well, you can't,
• 1:00:32
  you know, bully someone back.
• 1:00:34
  I don't think it's bullying because you
• 1:00:36
  commented first and I'm just responding.
• 1:00:40
  you're good you're good buddy so that's my
• 1:00:43
  thoughts on it and it makes for great
• 1:00:44
  content like I don't know what to post
• 1:00:47
  ninety percent of the time yeah so when
• 1:00:49
  I see a bad comment like thank God
• 1:00:51
  I get something to post today so if
• 1:00:59
  we truly believe in storytelling
• 1:01:03
  I believe that people aren't going to tell
• 1:01:05
  your story for you.
• 1:01:07
  You have to go out and tell your
• 1:01:08
  story and scream it from the rooftop so
• 1:01:10
  people can understand it because food
• 1:01:13
  sounds or food tastes different when you
• 1:01:16
  know the people's cooking its story.
• 1:01:19
  Music sounds different when you know the
• 1:01:22
  artist's story.
• 1:01:24
  When you can hear the pain and
• 1:01:28
  in the voice of somebody that you know
• 1:01:31
  went through a tough time.
• 1:01:34
  It means different things,
• 1:01:35
  like we were talking about earlier, right?
• 1:01:37
  So what advice would you give to the
• 1:01:42
  world?
• 1:01:42
  Because obviously you've done a really
• 1:01:44
  good job of storytelling.
• 1:01:46
  Your socials are doing very well, right?
• 1:01:49
  Derry alluded to it earlier.
• 1:01:52
  What advice would you give to someone that
• 1:01:53
  is just starting out and trying to figure
• 1:01:55
  out how to tell their story?
• 1:01:57
  Well, just starting out,
• 1:02:00
  like I said before,
• 1:02:00
  you have to believe in yourself because
• 1:02:03
  people are not going to believe in you
• 1:02:06
  until it becomes popular to believe in
• 1:02:08
  you.
• 1:02:11
  And if it's something that you really want
• 1:02:13
  to do,
• 1:02:13
  you have to love doing it and you
• 1:02:15
  have to know that, yeah,
• 1:02:17
  you might seem crazy,
• 1:02:19
  that it might take a very long time,
• 1:02:22
  you know, to make it work,
• 1:02:23
  but
• 1:02:26
  you can't go in it with the idea
• 1:02:28
  of, Oh, I'm going to be like,
• 1:02:30
  if it's music, you know,
• 1:02:32
  specifically music,
• 1:02:33
  you can't go in it thinking, okay,
• 1:02:34
  I'm going to be famous.
• 1:02:36
  You're going to, you know,
• 1:02:38
  bite yourself in the butt at that point.
• 1:02:39
  Like you can't go into it expecting any
• 1:02:42
  certain outcome.
• 1:02:42
  You have to
• 1:02:44
  just start doing what you love and to
• 1:02:45
  be true to yourself and to do things
• 1:02:49
  that are like of you and not,
• 1:02:52
  you know,
• 1:02:52
  don't write a song just because you think
• 1:02:54
  it's going to be popular.
• 1:02:56
  Write a song that actually like, you know,
• 1:02:58
  you like or it means something.
• 1:03:00
  who you are as a person, you know,
• 1:03:02
  you might think that you have nothing to
• 1:03:05
  tell because I had a pretty average life
• 1:03:07
  growing up.
• 1:03:08
  I didn't go through a lot of hardship.
• 1:03:10
  I mean,
• 1:03:10
  I had my son when I was nineteen.
• 1:03:13
  I knew I wanted to be a singer,
• 1:03:14
  so I auditioned for a bunch of shows,
• 1:03:16
  got told no.
• 1:03:18
  My parents moved me from Florida to
• 1:03:21
  Nashville to do music when I was twelve
• 1:03:23
  years old.
• 1:03:24
  So they like literally dropped everything
• 1:03:26
  to move here.
• 1:03:28
  You know,
• 1:03:29
  so I didn't go through anything crazy.
• 1:03:32
  But when I thought about it, well,
• 1:03:34
  what am I going to say?
• 1:03:34
  You know, I don't have a sob story.
• 1:03:36
  I don't have anything crazy to tell.
• 1:03:37
  Well,
• 1:03:37
  my story is the story of if you
• 1:03:40
  believe in yourself,
• 1:03:41
  then don't give up on yourself.
• 1:03:43
  So it doesn't matter if you've got a
• 1:03:44
  huge story to tell or a small story
• 1:03:45
  to tell.
• 1:03:46
  Somebody will resonate to you as long as
• 1:03:48
  you are you.
• 1:03:52
  Authenticity is king.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  I think a lot of people want to
• 1:03:55
  be the next Oliver Anthony.
• 1:03:58
  And so they hope that that's what's going
• 1:04:00
  to happen.
• 1:04:01
  And they don't realize that you're ten
• 1:04:03
  years into an overnight success.
• 1:04:05
  Right.
• 1:04:06
  Because I mean,
• 1:04:07
  he literally blew up in like three and
• 1:04:08
  a half days.
• 1:04:10
  and everybody's like oh that's what
• 1:04:12
  music's like and i know it's not no
• 1:04:13
  and like and he had been singing and
• 1:04:17
  driving the same old pickup doing like
• 1:04:19
  that he he was creating for him it's
• 1:04:21
  something he enjoyed doing yeah that's
• 1:04:24
  where it comes from is when your heart's
• 1:04:25
  like i love doing this yep
• 1:04:27
  Yeah,
• 1:04:27
  and then it is ten years to an
• 1:04:28
  overnight success.
• 1:04:29
  I know.
• 1:04:29
  They'll look at you like, yeah,
• 1:04:36
  you just blew up.
• 1:04:37
  Yeah, sure did.
• 1:04:37
  You've been here a long time.
• 1:04:40
  I blew up since I was twelve.
• 1:04:43
  Jonah's age.
• 1:04:44
  Jonah, when's your next song coming out?
• 1:04:46
  You working on one?
• 1:04:48
  Not yet.
• 1:04:49
  He's doing acting.
• 1:04:49
  He's a big actor these days.
• 1:04:50
  You're acting now?
• 1:04:52
  Okay.
• 1:04:53
  Are you in a movie?
• 1:04:53
  I'm in a TV show.
• 1:04:55
  in a tv show yep you got a
• 1:04:57
  little cameo for uh okay the nine one
• 1:05:00
  one nashville nice first episode awesome
• 1:05:03
  yeah nice that's good stuff so maybe maybe
• 1:05:07
  some people spot them in their first
• 1:05:08
  episode nine one one nashville yeah my mom
• 1:05:12
  made me watch that twice
• 1:05:14
  So not made me mom was watching it
• 1:05:16
  twice and I walked through the house and
• 1:05:18
  saw, I was like,
• 1:05:18
  didn't you already watch this?
• 1:05:19
  Wow.
• 1:05:20
  I didn't quite get all of it the
• 1:05:21
  first time.
• 1:05:22
  There you go.
• 1:05:23
  I'm going to have to watch it now.
• 1:05:25
  You do you.
• 1:05:26
  I love it there.
• 1:05:27
  You got a Friday.
• 1:05:27
  Feel good.
• 1:05:28
  Always.
• 1:05:28
  Hey,
• 1:05:29
  but I think this one just falls right.
• 1:05:31
  Dang in line with what we've been talking
• 1:05:32
  about here today.
• 1:05:34
  Be stubborn about your goals,
• 1:05:37
  but be flexible about your methods.
• 1:05:39
  Y'all know what to do.
• 1:05:40
  Find somebody, you know,
• 1:05:40
  tell them you love them.
• 1:05:41
  If the plan don't work, change the plan.
• 1:05:44
  Don't change the goal.
• 1:05:45
  That's right.
• 1:05:46
  That's it.
• 1:05:47
  Kaylin, look,
• 1:05:47
  I really appreciate you coming to hang out
• 1:05:49
  with us.
• 1:05:49
  Thank you so much.
• 1:05:50
  It's been a pleasure.
• 1:05:50
  It's been fun.
• 1:05:52
  You're welcome back anytime,
• 1:05:53
  especially if you bring the man.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  Okay.
• 1:05:56
  Now, bring the man.
• 1:05:57
  I will tell you this.
• 1:05:58
  When you get your next song written,
• 1:06:01
  I got to know about it.
• 1:06:02
  Okay?
• 1:06:03
  And then we'll have you back on,
• 1:06:05
  and the episode will be all about you.
• 1:06:07
  Deal?
• 1:06:07
  Deal.
• 1:06:08
  All right.
• 1:06:08
  Deal.
• 1:06:09
  Love it.
• 1:06:10
  If people are trying to find you, Caitlin,
• 1:06:12
  how can they find you, book you,
• 1:06:13
  all the things?
• 1:06:14
  Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  On any of my socials, I have Facebook,
• 1:06:19
  TikTok, Instagram,
• 1:06:21
  and then all streaming platforms.
• 1:06:23
  But it's just my name, Caitlin Curtis.
• 1:06:25
  It is very hard to spell.
• 1:06:26
  That's my mom's fault.
• 1:06:28
  So, but yeah, Caitlin Curtis.
• 1:06:31
  Caitlin is C-A-I-T-L-Y-N-N-E,
• 1:06:34
  just for those that are going to be
• 1:06:35
  like, what's she mean?
• 1:06:36
  It's hard to spell.
• 1:06:36
  You would never have guessed it.
• 1:06:41
  I will say, though, on Spotify,
• 1:06:42
  when you type in C-A-I-T,
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  you're the first one that pops up.
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  Yeah, let's go.
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  Easy enough.
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  If you can get the C part right
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  for Caitlin,
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  you're probably halfway there.
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