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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-11-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have to have this conversation today. But the
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Speaker 2: focus of the NBA world is on the Utah Jazz
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Speaker 2: in an unfortunate and weird, backward upside down kind of way. Now,
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Speaker 2: this has been building for the last couple of days,
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Speaker 2: and I just don't get why it's coming to light now. Well,
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Speaker 2: actually I do understand, because the Jazz are a team
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Speaker 2: that media members especially, but that even people inside the
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Speaker 2: NBA or or like highly connected media members or whatever
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Speaker 2: in the NBA, they feel like they can talk their
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Speaker 2: noise about the Utah Jazz. They can say what they
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Speaker 2: want to say about the Utah Jazz. They can identify
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Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz as some type of threat, and the
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Speaker 2: backlash will be either absent or minimal. You know why
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Speaker 2: small market team hasn't won anything of significance lately, No
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Speaker 2: remarkably influential individual players currently on the roster. In the
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Speaker 2: power dynamics of the look, the Jazz are not the
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Speaker 2: worst basketball team in the NBA, but in the power
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Speaker 2: dynamics of the NBA, relatively new owner doesn't help you.
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Speaker 2: Although I think Ryan Smith, Ryan and Ashley Smith are
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Speaker 2: for their position as kind of the new money punk
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Speaker 2: kids coming into the old boys club world. I think
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Speaker 2: that they are as popular as you can be in
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Speaker 2: that type of scenario. I think the reputation is decent,
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Speaker 2: if not better than that. Obviously, in the NHL, it's
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Speaker 2: great right now. In the NBA, you don't hear quite
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Speaker 2: as effusive a praise. People don't gush quite as much
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Speaker 2: about it. But we're gonna have this conversation, and I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna scratch my head during the whole conversation, but we're
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Speaker 2: gonna get it all figured out, all right. I always
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Speaker 2: love to hear from you, So fire up your old
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Speaker 2: text and figures eight seven seven three five three zero
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Speaker 2: seven hundred. Tell me how you feel about this topic
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Speaker 2: and any other topic. The Utah Jazz are in the
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Speaker 2: collective crosshairs for their tanking methods. Oh, by the way,
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Speaker 2: Andy Phillip's gonna join us. We'll get into some downhill skiing.
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Speaker 2: I'm watching team luge right now in the Olympics, which
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Speaker 2: is what a wild event. Doubles louge. We'll get into that.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk with Andy Phillips. So we'll also talk some football,
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Speaker 2: some Utah football with Andy Phillips. What he expects this
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Speaker 2: program to look like under the new leadership, what he's
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Speaker 2: looking forward to in springball and things like that. We'll
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Speaker 2: talk to him about the pressure of a Super Bowl
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Speaker 2: kicker that came through and looked really, really good and
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Speaker 2: was in the conversation for some people to be the MVP,
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Speaker 2: all that stuff with the former Utah All American Andy Phillips.
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Speaker 2: Adrian Danny's gonna join us for some Between the Pipes
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Speaker 2: and Olympic edition of Between the Pipes because of course
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Speaker 2: the Mammoth and everyone else on their Olympic break. Men's
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Speaker 2: hockey does start today. Team USA in action for the
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Speaker 2: first time tomorrow against Latvia, and well's one am by
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Speaker 2: the way, Oh see it's one am. Did I say
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Speaker 2: one pm last time?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying it's technically tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: like that is early for us here in the States
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Speaker 2: to watch the Olympic debut. And look, if you're a
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Speaker 2: real hockey fan, you're gonna be up YEA or at
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Speaker 2: least d v R. I don't want to. I don't
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Speaker 2: want to hear anybody talking about Oh I I you know,
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Speaker 2: I watched the replay. Okay, what if Clayton Keller scores
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Speaker 2: a hat trick and you're asleep for it?
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Speaker 3: What if what if he does that? He might be
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Speaker 3: a healthy scratch. So what if he does that? You're
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Speaker 3: asleep for it? But you don't, you don't get spoiled,
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Speaker 3: and you watch it when you wake up, and you're
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Speaker 3: just as excited as if you watch your live.
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Speaker 2: No, because then someone's gonna lord it over you, and
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Speaker 2: that person's gonna be me. But I saw it live. Well,
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Speaker 2: you just just just you just lie. Then I I
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Speaker 2: watched it. So cool. Team skeleton sled right now. The
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Speaker 2: Americans Forgan and Kirkby, of course believe it's women's women's pairs,
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Speaker 2: women's doubles skeleton sled. They just had a they just
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Speaker 2: went into first place ahead of the Polish contingent.
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Speaker 3: Let's oh, they they just had a nice message from
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Speaker 3: one of the two American women there and the on
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Speaker 3: the team there that said, there, her mother passed away
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Speaker 3: earlier this year, so she's kind of like she said,
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Speaker 3: she's dedicating the her Olympics to her, to her late mother,
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Speaker 3: So shout out to her and sorry for you loss. Okay, wow,
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Speaker 3: cool story though, So they're like, let's let's let's win
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Speaker 3: for what Let's make that a winning story here.
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Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna have to get we're gonna have
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Speaker 2: to get a skeleton racer on, especially like a team,
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Speaker 2: a double skeleton racer on because or louge. Excuse me,
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Speaker 2: this is louis this luge. Louge. Skeleton is head first,
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Speaker 2: luge is feet first. Oh okay, right, I'm sure there
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Speaker 2: are other differences as well, but that's the easiest way.
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Speaker 2: But they're like the great thing about the luge that's
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Speaker 2: kind of unintentional comedy is that you're just laying on
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Speaker 2: top one your team laying on top of you on
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Speaker 2: a slede. That's I want to know how it's determined,
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Speaker 2: how it's decided like Topsy's bunk ah Man, because it
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Speaker 2: can't be all that comfortable. But I don't I don't
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Speaker 2: want to get too lost, Okay, James, I asked, James,
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Speaker 2: I said, hey, will you pull for me some sound
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Speaker 2: some reaction of the Utah Jazz Again. When is the
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Speaker 2: last time the Utah Jazz were in the headlines? Well,
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Speaker 2: I guess it was because of the trade j trade.
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Speaker 2: But we never get talking heads. Opinion based columns been
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Speaker 2: trade related because you had the Brian Windhorse meme what's
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Speaker 2: going on in Utah? But that was trade. Really, nobody talks,
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Speaker 2: none of the big names or the small names in
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Speaker 2: NBA circles talk about the Utah Jazz for any reason
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Speaker 2: other than apparently this that now tanking, which has been
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Speaker 2: a tried and true tradition in the NBA for thirty years.
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Speaker 2: Now people have a problem with it. And I asked James, like,
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Speaker 2: find me some of the most ridiculous takes here. So
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Speaker 2: James did that because he's a good producer. Well, you
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Speaker 2: know what, James, Let's first go with the Mars one,
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Speaker 2: all right. Bobby Marks is a voice you've heard on
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Speaker 2: the air here, former front office executive in the NBA,
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Speaker 2: and so you know he's joined the Drive with Spence check.
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Speaker 2: It's over the years and he's really the reason that
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Speaker 2: this is going to be my main topic on the
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Speaker 2: show today. So give me some Bobby Marks. I think
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Speaker 2: what Utah is doing right now is messing around with
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Speaker 2: the integrity of the NBA, the ability.
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Speaker 4: To sit players starters in the fourth quarter, to not
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Speaker 4: call timeouts in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 2: Orlando won the game on Saturday.
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Speaker 4: Because they basically rested players, and.
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Speaker 2: It backfired on him last night.
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Speaker 4: So I think when you're if you're the league, you're
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Speaker 4: looking at it all, right, can we.
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Speaker 2: Do some gimmick? Can we alter protections, eliminate protections as
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Speaker 2: far as picks, or can we put the hammer down? Okay, Bobby,
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Speaker 2: this is the thing that threatens the integrity of the NBA.
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Speaker 2: This the Utah Jazz resting starters in the fourth quarter
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Speaker 2: and not calling timeouts. This is the thing that threatens
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Speaker 2: the integrity of the NBA. This not a gambling scandal,
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Speaker 2: a betting scandal that involved multiple players in multiple teams.
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Speaker 3: Chauncey Billups is in jail, Like he hasn't been convicted yet, right,
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Speaker 3: but he and maybe he got out on bail, but
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Speaker 3: like probably he's he's he was sent to jail earlier
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Speaker 3: this season after he started the season on the Portland
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Speaker 3: Trailblazers bench. They yanked him off the bench because of
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Speaker 3: this betting scandal. He spent some time in jail. He's
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Speaker 3: probably out on bail.
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Speaker 2: But like this though this Lowry Markinen and Trey j
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Speaker 2: and Kyante George hanging out on the bench in the
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Speaker 2: fourth quarter of games against the Orlando Magic. Is the
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Speaker 2: thing that bothers you about the threats to the integrity
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Speaker 2: of the NBA. Not legalized gambling or illegal gambling. Not
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Speaker 2: an abuse of the load management system. Not rampant tampering
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Speaker 2: before and after every free agency period. Not owners circumventing
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Speaker 2: the salary cap to pay their guys for not showing
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Speaker 2: up to do marketing campaigns so they can add an
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Speaker 2: extra five to eight ten dollars and incentivize them to
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Speaker 2: stay or to show up to just to just go
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Speaker 2: to your team over another higher profile tea exactly like
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Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard chose the Clippers because of this. This is
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Speaker 2: the thing lowry marketing, getting a little bit of extra
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Speaker 2: rest so that the Jazz can protect a pick. That's
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Speaker 2: the thing that threatens the integraty of the NBA for you.
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Speaker 2: This is the dumbest thing that we've seen in NBA
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Speaker 2: conversation circles recently. And Bobby Marks is not alone. Okay,
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Speaker 2: give me some the DP cut.
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Speaker 5: There's a problem in the NBA and that has to
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Speaker 5: do with tanking. Now, normally you'll get maybe one or
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Speaker 5: two teams tanking for the opportunity to get somebody special
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Speaker 5: like Cooper Flagger, Victor Winbinyama, and You've probably got three
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Speaker 5: or four players in college basketball this year who will
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Speaker 5: come in and contribute right away. And aj Demansa is
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Speaker 5: probably going to be a guy that's going to contribute.
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Speaker 5: I mean, Utah would love to just keep him in
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Speaker 5: Utah and that would be tank worthy. And I think
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Speaker 5: Utah is building something. You know, they got Lauri Markinen
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Speaker 5: and they got Jaron Jackson Junior the third as well.
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Speaker 5: And if you're tanking and maybe you get one of
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Speaker 5: these guys and maybe you got something there. But teams
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Speaker 5: are being obvious. It feels like like we're just gonna
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Speaker 5: sit our team down. We're not gonna play in this game. Okay, yes, Marvin.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there's a difference between tanking and
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Speaker 2: just being sorry. Like the Washington Wizards, they're not tanking
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Speaker 2: if that was the case, they've been taking for the
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Speaker 2: last twenty years. They're just not good.
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Speaker 5: I don't know what the what the commissioner can do.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, there are so many stories about this in
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Speaker 6: just the past two days. Our buddy Chris Mannox of
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Speaker 6: s I wrote one yesterday. The Utah Jazz were in
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Speaker 6: a game where they were up three points to start
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Speaker 6: the fourth they set three of their starters for the
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Speaker 6: entire fourth quarter.
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Speaker 2: So they're doing everything they can to lose the game,
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Speaker 2: and they won that game. Was that against Miami?
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Speaker 6: Yes, and three starters when a three point game sit
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Speaker 6: that means it's obvious you're not competing.
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Speaker 2: In that game. Yeah, but I don't know what you
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Speaker 2: can do about it.
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Speaker 5: The NBA has got a real issue here of probably
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Speaker 5: five to seven teams who were tanking right before our
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Speaker 5: very eyes.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so Dan Patrick, who is for me, the gold
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Speaker 2: standard in this business, started it out talking that's from
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Speaker 2: this morning show, by the way, which you can listen
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Speaker 2: to on ESPN seven hundred and ninet two ANDFM, right
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Speaker 2: before richies in and then leading into the best show
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Speaker 2: on the air, of course, this one that's from this
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Speaker 2: morning talking about Oh here's another example. At least they're
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Speaker 2: talking about tanking in general as being a problem, and yes,
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Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz are guilty of it right now. And
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Speaker 2: guess what this is the system that the NBA created
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Speaker 2: incentivizing losing to increase your draft lottery odds. Finding a
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Speaker 2: way to make sure that you maximize the potential of
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Speaker 2: building your roster through the draft, because for the Utah Jazz,
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Speaker 2: that is the best way to build your roster. And
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Speaker 2: actually that's a great point that Ashley Nevil. We got
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Speaker 2: to learn more about Ashley Neville because that's a great point. No, well, no,
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Speaker 2: this was this was Rachel Nichols. Rachel Nichols, excuse me.
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Speaker 2: Rachel Nichols was the one who made the point about
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Speaker 2: Ashley Devil's one of our ridiculous sound we'll get to.
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Speaker 2: Rachel Nichols made the point about, well, look, if you're
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Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz, how else are you gonna do it?
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Speaker 2: When that's she said.
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Speaker 3: So this was on Open Floor with Chris Mannix there.
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Speaker 3: They're kind of YouTube podcast show that they do for
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Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated. They were they I was listening to that
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Speaker 3: because I because as I was searching for ridiculous takes.
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Speaker 3: That's one of the videos about that was like jazz
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Speaker 3: tanking problem. They didn't really have ridiculous take on it, though,
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Speaker 3: they were. They were talking about how tanking is a problem,
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Speaker 3: you know, overall, and and there's a bunch of teams
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Speaker 3: that are doing it. And as they're talking about that,
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Speaker 3: Rachel says, here's we need to redefine the problem because
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Speaker 3: people say that tanking is the problem because it hurts
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Speaker 3: the products, the on court product of the game. Which
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Speaker 3: that's true, and that is a problem. But the point
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Speaker 3: that she made that I have not heard anyone, I
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Speaker 3: have not heard of anyone put it this way, and
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Speaker 3: you were starting to say it is it's not about
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Speaker 3: hurting the products so much as it's about teams like
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Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz. Small market teams who are rebuilding don't
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Speaker 3: have a better avenue of building their team, of getting
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Speaker 3: stars than to tank and get the best draft pick
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Speaker 3: they possibly hold on.
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Speaker 2: Actually they do, and Steve Balmer showed us the other
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Speaker 2: way that you can do it, and.
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Speaker 3: It is aspire to something higher, and it is illegal,
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Speaker 3: and it is against the rules.
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Speaker 2: Tanking is actually like in the gray area where it's
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Speaker 2: not technically against the rules, especially the way that the
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Speaker 2: Utah Jazz are doing it right now. Is it a
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Speaker 2: gentleman's tank? Is it a dignified tank? Look? Tanking is
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Speaker 2: unfortunately a somewhat necessary evil in the world being so
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Speaker 2: indelicate right now college basketball and pro basketball. It sucks.
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Speaker 2: It sucks that you have to do it, that you
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Speaker 2: you're incentivized to do it. But it's kind of like
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Speaker 2: when you when you find yourself involved with like maybe
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Speaker 2: you have a policy at work right where you get
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Speaker 2: more heavily punished for being late to work than for
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Speaker 2: calling out sick to work. So if you're gonna be
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Speaker 2: late to work, you're just like, well, I'm just gonna
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Speaker 2: call out. I just have to, like, because I have
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Speaker 2: sick days and I get in big trouble for being tardy,
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Speaker 2: so and so you just don't show up and then
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Speaker 2: everyone gets screwed. Everyone they count on you for that day.
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Speaker 2: You're just like, well, sorry, guys, that's just the company
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Speaker 2: policy thing. There's plenty of bad systems, and this is
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Speaker 2: one nobody's nobody's debating that I find myself embarrassed that
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Speaker 2: I'm in a situation right now where I have to
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Speaker 2: defend this behavior and strategy from the Utah Jazz because
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Speaker 2: it is far from my deal. We don't I don't
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Speaker 2: want this to be Utah Jazz basketball.
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Speaker 3: I don't the Anges, Danny and Austin Ainge don't want
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Speaker 3: to do this.
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Speaker 2: Justin Zanik don't want to do this.
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Speaker 3: The previous certainly the previous jazz iterations of the Jazz
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Speaker 3: front office Dennis Lindsay led front office with Justin Zanik
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Speaker 3: as part of it. Of course, still the Kevin O'Connor Leyden's.
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Speaker 3: You know how many years the Jazz were just mid
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Speaker 3: and they could have just been and they they could
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Speaker 3: have just been like, if this was more widespread, they
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Speaker 3: could have been like, you know what, let's just play
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Speaker 3: for a higher draft pick. And they they instead overachieved
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Speaker 3: and just missed the playoffs or barely made the playoffs,
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Speaker 3: lost in the first round because they because they were like,
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Speaker 3: we we don't want to.
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Speaker 2: Lose on purpose. This is this is the doing this
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Speaker 2: because they have to kind of thing the the integrity
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Speaker 2: of like, you know what, We're gonna compete our hardest
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Speaker 2: no matter what, because I want to be able to
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Speaker 2: look my fans in the face and look everyone in
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Speaker 2: the mirror. Okay, fine, like go ahead and win an
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Speaker 2: extra eleven games this year and be a team without
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Speaker 2: that pick. And by the way, the fan base, because
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Speaker 2: all of us are hyper aware now of what is
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Speaker 2: at stake the fan base if you win too many
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Speaker 2: games and you squander the opportunity to have the pick
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Speaker 2: that would convey to Oklahoma City. And again I keep
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Speaker 2: making this point. If this were a pick that was
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Speaker 2: going to New York Knicks, or was going to the
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Speaker 2: Orlando Magic, or was going to be given to anybody
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Speaker 2: who's not a threat to you, I would say, you know,
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Speaker 2: maybe people are gonna be kind of split on the
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Speaker 2: reaction if you give another great young player to Oklahoma
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Speaker 2: City while also taking that away from yourself. That is
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Speaker 2: management malpractice that is punishable by firing. If if I
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Speaker 2: in any other scenario, we're just like, you know what,
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Speaker 2: let's train lowry marketing to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Okay,
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Speaker 2: what are you gonna get back nothing? We're gonna get
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Speaker 2: nothing back and get cash consideration. Wait what, but you're
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Speaker 2: making them way better and you're not helping yourself. I know.
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Speaker 2: But if they were, if the Jazz came out and
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Speaker 2: said they were gonna do that, everybody, every one of
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Speaker 2: these same voices evaluating the NBA would be like, that's
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Speaker 2: a laughing stock franchise. That's disgusting. You can't do that.
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Speaker 2: If they sacrifice something good for the sake of whatever,
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Speaker 2: the honesty of the sports, the spirit of competition, if
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Speaker 2: you sacrifice the ultimate possibility of success for your team
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Speaker 2: so that people are like, you know what, that's a
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Speaker 2: group with some integrity right there. That's not how professional
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Speaker 2: sports are run. That's not how any big money organization
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Speaker 2: is run. So I am bob that I'm defending a
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Speaker 2: tanking strategy. Okay, I just want to make that clear.
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Speaker 2: But it is right now the best and only path
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Speaker 2: out of this darkness that Utah Jazz Basketball has existed
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Speaker 2: in for the last several years. If you don't want
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Speaker 2: to be in this same conversation you've been in for
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Speaker 2: half a decade now, you have to do something different.
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Speaker 2: You have to do something drastic. You have to do
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Speaker 2: something like this. And by the way, because the NBA
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Speaker 2: created this system and then pedalize people for rewarding themselves
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Speaker 2: in this system, they found a more clever way to
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Speaker 2: do it, and they said, look, man, we're not gonna
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Speaker 2: sit guys and pretend guys are injured because we're gonna
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Speaker 2: get fines for that. The NBA is gonna get mad
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Speaker 2: at us for that. So instead, what we're gonna do
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Speaker 2: is we're gonna shut it down fifteen minutes early. And
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Speaker 2: if you have a problem with that, which a lot
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Speaker 2: of people do, you're just gonna have to take it
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Speaker 2: up with Adam Silver. I promise you the league office
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Speaker 2: is looking at things like this and they're going, geez,
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Speaker 2: is this really where we're at? And if it were
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Speaker 2: another franchise, not the Utah Jazz, not the the Utah
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Speaker 2: Jazz are in that like small tier, sort of small
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Speaker 2: market tier of the youth of the NBA. So it's
21:23
Speaker 2: like if the Utah Jazz do it, or the Memphis
21:26
Speaker 2: Grizzlies do it, or the Orlando Magic do it, or
21:29
Speaker 2: the New Orleans Pelicans do it, or bad Okay Sea seem.
21:32
Speaker 3: Or or pre Championship Oka. See wait a second, they
21:36
Speaker 3: didn't do that.
21:37
Speaker 2: They did that to get you home.
21:39
Speaker 3: Or how about the San Antonio Spurs, which is a
21:41
Speaker 3: lot of which has held up to be this crown
21:43
Speaker 3: jewel of the NBA because they're a small market who
21:46
Speaker 3: who became a dynasty recently. How about their last six
21:51
Speaker 3: seasons up till now.
21:52
Speaker 2: And here here's how you know that all of the
21:56
Speaker 2: angst and the difficulty and the anger about this is
22:00
Speaker 2: just hot air, because there is not one single person
22:06
Speaker 2: who's saying, oh, Utah Jazz or threatening the integrity of
22:09
Speaker 2: the game what's going on right now. This tanking is
22:12
Speaker 2: complete unacceptable. Not one of those people is coming up
22:17
Speaker 2: with a workable solution. That's how you know it's just
22:21
Speaker 2: hot air.
22:21
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's so many there's so many ideas being
22:25
Speaker 3: thrown out, but they're like, they're not like you say,
22:27
Speaker 3: they're not workable.
22:29
Speaker 2: It's the same thing as the tampering problem in college sports.
22:32
Speaker 2: Right now, everybody under the sun looks at it, sees it,
22:38
Speaker 2: hates it, and is like, you know what, this is
22:41
Speaker 2: too big of a problem. We have to find something
22:43
Speaker 2: to fix this. And that's as far as the conversation goes.
22:46
Speaker 2: The only coach, the only person of actual import or
22:50
Speaker 2: influence who's done anything, who's gone out on the limb,
22:53
Speaker 2: who said anything, is Dabbo because Dabo is bulletproof at Clemson,
23:00
Speaker 2: feels like he is. Dabo has already won national championships.
23:03
Speaker 2: Dabo is a guy that if you got fired or
23:06
Speaker 2: kicked out or blacklisted today, he would be fine for
23:09
Speaker 2: the rest of his life. Okay, that's his personality, that's
23:13
Speaker 2: his financial situation, that's whatever. So Dabo can make those
23:17
Speaker 2: comments all of us that are just like I mean,
23:21
Speaker 2: in the media, Hey, I want tampering to end. I
23:25
Speaker 2: want tampering to be punished, right. I want the next
23:29
Speaker 2: team that calls a University of Utah football player to
23:34
Speaker 2: lose a scholarship and to lose five hundred grand or
23:38
Speaker 2: in revenue share money. I want them to be punished
23:41
Speaker 2: in a meaningful way. I can stand here and I
23:43
Speaker 2: can pound the table, and I can stop my feet,
23:47
Speaker 2: and I can yell about it, and probably realistically somebody
23:52
Speaker 2: up on the hill might give me a call and
23:54
Speaker 2: just be like, that's not what we want. We don't
23:58
Speaker 2: that's not what we want. Don't say directly, but behind
24:01
Speaker 2: it will be we're doing it too, that's not what
24:04
Speaker 2: we want. So like, unfortunately, everybody, including Dabbo probably, but
24:10
Speaker 2: everybody lives in a glasshouse and cannot afford to throw stones.
24:15
Speaker 2: And the tampering situation in the NBA is exactly that.
24:20
Speaker 2: Every franchise that is the bottom third of the league
24:24
Speaker 2: right now is looking at their rosters, looking at their
24:27
Speaker 2: draft picks in the next few years. They're looking at
24:29
Speaker 2: the prospects and they're going like like, I mean, how
24:32
Speaker 2: do you think you got Jared Jackson Jr. How did
24:37
Speaker 2: you get Tray j How did the Orlando get Desmond Vane.
24:44
Speaker 2: Memphis looked at what happened. They saw that they had
24:47
Speaker 2: an incredibly talented roster that should have achieved something, and
24:51
Speaker 2: they realized that their best player, their star player, was
24:55
Speaker 2: not a professional, was not going to make the sacrifices
24:58
Speaker 2: necessary to help the team achieve anything significant. So Memphis
25:05
Speaker 2: quietly gradually is peeling things back and stripping things down
25:14
Speaker 2: and preparing for the future by stockpiling picks like the
25:18
Speaker 2: Utah Jazz just gave to them. And guess what Memphis
25:21
Speaker 2: is going to do to maximize the potential of those
25:24
Speaker 2: picks and their own picks. They're gonna tank. And when
25:31
Speaker 2: Memphis does it, people might get mad if the Lakers
25:36
Speaker 2: do it, or the Boston Celtics do it, or probably
25:40
Speaker 2: the San Antonio Spurs now because they're the gold standard. Whoever,
25:44
Speaker 2: and by the way, the Spurs did this very very recently.
25:47
Speaker 2: Anyone else who does it? The Golden State Warriors start
25:50
Speaker 2: tanking in their rebuild when Steph Curry is on his
25:54
Speaker 2: very very last legs, Everyone's just gonna be like, Wow,
25:59
Speaker 2: Championship organizations do what they have to do.
26:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the dumbest anger we've ever heard from
26:05
Speaker 3: NBA media. It really is. And by the way, Jimmy
26:11
Speaker 3: Butler's out for the season. Christops Porzingis has played like
26:14
Speaker 3: ten games who they just traded for. The Warriors might
26:17
Speaker 3: do this the rest of the year if if they
26:20
Speaker 3: can't get Porzingi is healthy. And let me just make
26:23
Speaker 3: this point about the Dan Patrick Show. Sound that made me.
26:27
Speaker 3: That made me yell at my radio.
26:28
Speaker 2: Literally when I love Marvin Prince's he's the newest danet.
26:33
Speaker 2: If you listen to Dan Patrick Show, you know who
26:35
Speaker 2: Marvin is.
26:36
Speaker 3: But he said he stopped DP and he said, the
26:41
Speaker 3: Wizards aren't tanking.
26:42
Speaker 2: They're just sorry. And I went, what do you mean
26:45
Speaker 2: they're not tanking? They trade? You know? Do you know
26:47
Speaker 2: when they traded for Trey Young? Oh?
26:49
Speaker 3: See, they traded for him January seventh. Do you know
26:53
Speaker 3: do you know how many games Trey Young has played
26:56
Speaker 3: for the Washington Wizards?
26:57
Speaker 2: This is it? Oh?
26:58
Speaker 3: Hold on seven, It's been a month. He has not
27:02
Speaker 3: played a game. Wait, is that true? That's true? I
27:05
Speaker 3: looked it up. His last game was was December twenty seventh.
27:09
Speaker 3: The last game Means played this year was December twenty seventh. Okay, Okay, uh.
27:14
Speaker 2: They The reports came out almost immediately after they traded
27:18
Speaker 2: for Anthony Davis at the deadline last week that they
27:21
Speaker 2: don't plan on playing Anthony Davis the rest of the year.
27:24
Speaker 3: Now the front office has walked that back a little bit,
27:27
Speaker 3: so maybe he plays a game here or there.
27:30
Speaker 2: They're not taking Marvin. Really, you're not watching if you
27:35
Speaker 2: think the Jazz are the only team doing this. By
27:37
Speaker 2: the way, I'll be fair to Marvin because I'm not
27:40
Speaker 2: watching the Wizards either. Okay, fine, but you you know,
27:44
Speaker 2: all it takes is is to all it takes is
27:47
Speaker 2: a little bit of like, hey, I wonder how many
27:49
Speaker 2: games I haven't heard much from Trey Young as a
27:52
Speaker 2: Wizard yet.
27:53
Speaker 3: He must not be playing very much. And oh he
27:55
Speaker 3: hasn't played a game yet. So and I'll say this too,
27:59
Speaker 3: there's there's two months left in this season, and that's
28:01
Speaker 3: what that's what they're doing. They're just not playing their
28:04
Speaker 3: best players the rest of the year. Maybe they play
28:07
Speaker 3: a few games, but that's it. The Jazz traded for
28:11
Speaker 3: Trade j Right, that's an All Star. He's played in
28:14
Speaker 3: two games.
28:16
Speaker 2: The Jazz have everything, every reason to do what what
28:19
Speaker 2: the Wizards are doing.
28:20
Speaker 3: With Trey Young and Anthony Davis with Jared Jackson Junior.
28:24
Speaker 3: We like just say, hey, thanks for coming in. You're
28:28
Speaker 3: not gonna play till next season. They're playing hits, Tomato
28:31
Speaker 3: tops better.
28:32
Speaker 2: It's it literally is like, here's what we could do.
28:36
Speaker 2: We could I mean Spence said it accurately. He said,
28:40
Speaker 2: tray j is gonna fly into Salt Lake City and
28:42
Speaker 2: find out he's got a bad bat, he's got a
28:44
Speaker 2: chronic fact problem. And instead of that, the decision has
28:47
Speaker 2: been made in the jazz organization to do something that
28:51
Speaker 2: as a fan, I appreciate a heck of a lot more.
28:54
Speaker 2: Imagine if you're a Wizards fan, I think there's like
28:56
Speaker 2: nine of them left right, and you're like, oh sweet,
28:59
Speaker 2: we got Young, Oh sweet, we got you to brow
29:03
Speaker 2: And then your organization goes, you're not gonna watch either
29:06
Speaker 2: of them play in a Wizard's uniform this year, and
29:09
Speaker 2: you're like, what, atleast give us something like everyone knows
29:13
Speaker 2: we're gonna as many games as we can. And those
29:16
Speaker 2: new guys that maybe you want to buy a jersey
29:19
Speaker 2: for they're not gonna.
29:21
Speaker 3: Play, Please still buy the jersey though, now for three hundred.
29:25
Speaker 2: Dollars Is it a great thing? Is it an ideal
29:28
Speaker 2: thing for the Utah Jazz that they're gonna sit these
29:30
Speaker 2: guys in the second half of the third quarter in
29:32
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter? Obviously not, but at least they're letting
29:36
Speaker 2: you see. You're gonna as a Jazz fan, you get
29:38
Speaker 2: to catch a glimpse of what those what do we
29:41
Speaker 2: call that the mountain forest front court or whatever?
29:44
Speaker 3: Right like the forest front court, and by the way,
29:50
Speaker 3: forest court, you're gonna see more of it when Walker
29:52
Speaker 3: Kessler gets healthy.
29:53
Speaker 2: Hopefully figures crossed ray the tray forest because they all
29:57
Speaker 2: can shoot threes. At the end of the day, there
30:01
Speaker 2: are plenty of threats to the integrity of sport pro sport,
30:06
Speaker 2: NBA basketball, NFL football. Integrity of sport is kind of
30:11
Speaker 2: a silly phrase anyway, But college athletics right now is
30:16
Speaker 2: plagued by all of these issues that we have a
30:19
Speaker 2: hard time finding a solution for that is not immediately
30:22
Speaker 2: shot down with a lawsuit. I'll tell you what's threatening
30:26
Speaker 2: the integrity of sports, James. It isn't tanking, it's not
30:29
Speaker 2: even betting. It's lawyers, it's litig It's the fact that
30:35
Speaker 2: you can have your way. You can get your way,
30:38
Speaker 2: no matter how silly it is, if you have a
30:41
Speaker 2: good lawyer. That's that's the biggest threat to the integrity
30:44
Speaker 2: of sport. Like obvious evidence there, Damo Swinney pulled their
30:50
Speaker 2: receipts on Old Miss. Okay, I want this punishable to
30:55
Speaker 2: the highest extent of the NCAA law. Ole Miss is
30:59
Speaker 2: going to retain the effective counsel and they're gonna be like,
31:02
Speaker 2: you know what, We're fine, Trinidad Chambliss is still fighting
31:08
Speaker 2: his legal battle to try to get more eligibility at
31:13
Speaker 2: ole Miss. That's the biggest threat to the integrity of sport,
31:17
Speaker 2: the fact that if you have enough money and a
31:19
Speaker 2: lawyer that is willing to stick his neck out or
31:22
Speaker 2: his firm's neck out far enough, you can have your way,
31:25
Speaker 2: no matter what your way is, into the socio and
31:29
Speaker 2: political issues, into competing against people that shouldn't even be
31:33
Speaker 2: in your same category. We've seen it all in college
31:37
Speaker 2: sports already, and it's not because of organized crime being
31:41
Speaker 2: involved in betting. That's a bad deal and that's a
31:44
Speaker 2: threat to sports. That's a threat to the integrity of
31:47
Speaker 2: the competition and things like that. But the lawyers are
31:50
Speaker 2: a bigger problem. And I have plenty of friends who
31:53
Speaker 2: are attorneys. I'm not attacking you personally, but that profession
31:59
Speaker 2: and more pointedly, the American judicial system that allows like
32:05
Speaker 2: nearly any argument to be heard and proven or ruled
32:10
Speaker 2: in favor of by the right judge. That's an issue.
32:19
Speaker 2: By the way, if the Utah Jazz were to be
32:22
Speaker 2: punished by the NBA for doing this version of the tank,
32:29
Speaker 2: you know how they could get themselves out of it.
32:31
Speaker 2: You know what. The best way to fix that problem
32:35
Speaker 2: for the Utah Jazz would be hire a nice lawyer. Yeah,
32:40
Speaker 2: and had that lawyer be like, you cannot tell us
32:44
Speaker 2: that we deserve to be punished. When the San Antonio
32:47
Speaker 2: Spurs did not deserve to be punished, When the New
32:50
Speaker 2: Orleans Pelicans did not deserve to be punished, When the
32:53
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City Thunder did not deserve to be punished, When
32:55
Speaker 2: the Minnesota Timberwolves did not deserve to.
32:57
Speaker 3: Be punished, how about when the Dallas Mavericks. One of
33:00
Speaker 3: the last things Mark Cuban did in an NBA season
33:03
Speaker 3: as an owner, and he didn't do this directly, but oh,
33:06
Speaker 3: the last thing he oversaw is and as as the
33:09
Speaker 3: majority owner of the Mavericks was just saying, you know what,
33:12
Speaker 3: We're not gonna play Kyrie Irving and Luka Dancic the
33:15
Speaker 3: last week of the season when.
33:16
Speaker 2: They still had a chance to play in birth. Can
33:19
Speaker 2: I tell you the outcome of this for the Utah
33:21
Speaker 2: Jazz that is going to just absolutely tear the guts
33:25
Speaker 2: out of Jazz fans. And I am a believer and
33:30
Speaker 2: you will not be able to convince me otherwise that
33:32
Speaker 2: there is some form of manipulation in the draft lottery
33:35
Speaker 2: to ensure the outcomes that the NBA wants. I've had
33:40
Speaker 2: Andy Larson on and he said it's not possible. I've
33:43
Speaker 2: had Gordy Chias on, he says, no, they've they've got
33:46
Speaker 2: that thing protected. I've got We've had Sarah Todd on.
33:48
Speaker 2: I was in the room. I know how they do it.
33:52
Speaker 2: They can't manipulate him. I will not believe that because
33:56
Speaker 2: I do for the record, but it's okay if you
33:59
Speaker 2: don't plaint. Here's what's going to happen, James. The Utah
34:02
Speaker 2: Jazz are going to tank their way into keeping the
34:06
Speaker 2: protected pick right and instead of getting Darren Peterson, who
34:12
Speaker 2: I don't want, or aj De Bonsa, who I do,
34:15
Speaker 2: or Cam Boozer, who I do? They're gonna end up
34:18
Speaker 2: with like the sixth pick again, and all of these people,
34:23
Speaker 2: all of these talking heads are going to say, you
34:26
Speaker 2: know why this happened because the basketball gods say that
34:30
Speaker 2: you shouldn't do it the way the Utah Jazz did it.
34:36
Speaker 2: This narrative right now is showing me enough that people
34:39
Speaker 2: are willing to turn on the Utah Jazz for doing
34:42
Speaker 2: the same thing that other NBA franchises have done, and
34:45
Speaker 2: to punish them for doing the same thing that other
34:49
Speaker 2: NBA franchises have done. That is where my conspiracy mind goes, like, oh,
34:53
Speaker 2: you know what, this is going to be used as
34:56
Speaker 2: like the ground floor of the argument about why the
34:59
Speaker 2: Utah ja As don't deserve to win that lottery, don't
35:02
Speaker 2: deserve pick number two, don't deserve to have nice things,
35:06
Speaker 2: and so we're not gonna give Salt Lake City and
35:08
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz nice things. Watch all of you jazz
35:12
Speaker 2: fans out there, watch it happen, and then tell me
35:15
Speaker 2: again that there's no manipulation going on. It might happen
35:19
Speaker 2: and there will not have been manipulation. It will be
35:23
Speaker 2: because of manipulation. If you are a multi billion dollar
35:28
Speaker 2: organization like the NBA is and you can control outcomes.
35:35
Speaker 2: You do Cooper flag Baby. That's all the evidence I need.
35:43
Speaker 2: Patrick cuing before that, although the system was different when
35:47
Speaker 2: it was the Patrickkuwing situation. That was the first year
35:49
Speaker 2: of the lottery. All right, little speed skating on your
35:53
Speaker 2: television if you're watching the Olympics. We got some downhill
35:57
Speaker 2: skiing to talk about with Andy Phillips. Some football to
35:59
Speaker 2: talk about with Andy Phillips, the former Utah kicker joins
36:02
Speaker 2: us on The Sean O'Connell Show next at ESPN seven hundred,
36:05
Speaker 2: ninety two one FM.
36:09
Speaker 7: Another one.
36:10
Speaker 1: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
36:13
Speaker 1: Chevrolet studio of ESPN seven hundred at ninety two one
36:18
Speaker 1: a FM.
36:21
Speaker 2: A Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in
36:28
Speaker 2: my friend, former Utah America kicker, uh and a guy
36:33
Speaker 2: that the Venn diagram of being an elite skier and
36:35
Speaker 2: an elite football player. I imagine it's probably very small,
36:39
Speaker 2: but Andy Phillips checks all those boxes, which means he's
36:41
Speaker 2: the right guy to bring on head of spring ball
36:44
Speaker 2: and during the winter Olympics. Andy Phillips, welcome to the show.
36:46
Speaker 8: How are you hey, Thanks Josie. I appreciate that introduction,
36:51
Speaker 8: and I think I should I should let you fans
36:53
Speaker 8: know the skiing sucks in Michigan. So if there's anybody
36:57
Speaker 8: else that comes through that's a skier that wants to
36:59
Speaker 8: play for fotball, I think we have a pretty good
37:02
Speaker 8: shot at We got.
37:03
Speaker 2: The market cornered on people who want to be playing
37:06
Speaker 2: big time football and skiing on world class slopes, so
37:11
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about losing those people to Michigan. Andy,
37:15
Speaker 2: Let's talk Olympics before we get into anything football related.
37:19
Speaker 2: All of us become experts on something you're actually an
37:22
Speaker 2: expert on for about two weeks every four years, and
37:26
Speaker 2: that includes every winter sport and big time downhill skiing
37:30
Speaker 2: is one of the most exciting things that we see
37:32
Speaker 2: at these games, and already it's given us maybe the
37:34
Speaker 2: biggest story from the American standpoint at least of these games,
37:38
Speaker 2: with Lindsey Vaughn looking like, oh, she was probably not
37:42
Speaker 2: gonna compete because of the crash nine days before the games,
37:46
Speaker 2: and then she decides to compete, and then thirteen seconds
37:49
Speaker 2: into a run, she falls and breaks her leg first
37:54
Speaker 2: of all, deciding to make the effort to compete with
38:00
Speaker 2: a torn a cl with a ruptured ACL, with a
38:03
Speaker 2: knee that was injured a week ago. What kind of
38:07
Speaker 2: decision making process, what kind of medical evaluation process does
38:11
Speaker 2: a high level skier go through just to get to
38:13
Speaker 2: the point where it's like, yeah, okay, I'm going to
38:15
Speaker 2: give this a try.
38:18
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a great question. And I would argue, you
38:21
Speaker 8: know that our fan base here in Utah is probably
38:25
Speaker 8: more educated than your normal American watching these Winter Olympics.
38:30
Speaker 8: But with that being said, there's a lot that goes
38:32
Speaker 8: on behind the scenes that I think a lot of
38:34
Speaker 8: people aren't aware of. I mean, Lindsay, while yeah, she's
38:37
Speaker 8: she's on the US ski team, technically, she's got her
38:40
Speaker 8: her own staff. She's got a staff of a lot
38:44
Speaker 8: of doctors, you know, a lot of trainers, coaches. In fact,
38:48
Speaker 8: her head coach is Norwegian Axlouon Sindal, and he is
38:54
Speaker 8: one of the most decorated Norwegian downhillers, and so he
38:59
Speaker 8: knows what he's talking about when it comes to leading.
39:03
Speaker 8: Lindsay Vaughn making suggestions, line suggestions, inspecting the course, he
39:09
Speaker 8: knows many of these courses that she's raced throughout the
39:12
Speaker 8: season as well as she does. And so when when
39:16
Speaker 8: she retour her acl it, you know, you you can
39:22
Speaker 8: most definitely get away with continuing to ski, and especially
39:26
Speaker 8: if you throw a knee brace on there, you can
39:28
Speaker 8: continue to ski. However, you know you're not going to
39:31
Speaker 8: be quite as strong. You're going to compensate or start
39:36
Speaker 8: to use your other leg a little bit more. And
39:39
Speaker 8: we saw that in her training runs this this Olympics.
39:43
Speaker 8: You know, she she started to kind of land a
39:46
Speaker 8: couple of these heirs on on her I believe it's
39:48
Speaker 8: her right leg versus her left, and and so you
39:53
Speaker 8: just it's a different all of a sudden, you have
39:55
Speaker 8: to approach the ski race differently when it comes to
39:58
Speaker 8: your tactics. The other thing I think a lot of
40:01
Speaker 8: people don't understand is downhill especially. You know, you have
40:04
Speaker 8: training runs so that you can get a feel for
40:07
Speaker 8: the snow, you can get a feel for the course,
40:10
Speaker 8: the terrain, and a lot of these women have have
40:15
Speaker 8: have run this this Bormeo of course you know, multiple
40:17
Speaker 8: times in their life, so they know what it's like.
40:19
Speaker 8: But what you can never really truly account for in
40:22
Speaker 8: ski racing are the variables, the snow conditions, the weather,
40:28
Speaker 8: the wind, and you know, the temperature, and so what
40:32
Speaker 8: you what you don't see is you're like, hey, Lindsey
40:35
Speaker 8: ran this track, you know, twice a couple of days before. Now,
40:39
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, she jumps into the downhill race
40:42
Speaker 8: and she's, you know, five or ten inches offline. How
40:46
Speaker 8: does that happen? And what you don't understand is there's
40:50
Speaker 8: you know, sixty or so women have run this track
40:53
Speaker 8: now for two days, and so the terrain is varied,
40:57
Speaker 8: the snow is varied. You know, it's probably running a
41:00
Speaker 8: little bit faster. So she's just a couple miles an
41:03
Speaker 8: hour quicker and just accounting for all those things on
41:07
Speaker 8: a torn acl while nerves are running through your body
41:11
Speaker 8: and at forty two years old, like that's there's so
41:13
Speaker 8: many variables. And unfortunately for her, she was a little
41:17
Speaker 8: bit offline, hooked her arm in a gate and you
41:20
Speaker 8: saw what happened. It's just spun her in the air.
41:22
Speaker 8: And then when you have two hundred and ten centimeter
41:25
Speaker 8: you know, two hundred and ten plus centimeter skis on
41:26
Speaker 8: your feet and you're rolling around on ice, you know
41:31
Speaker 8: things are going to break and twist, and that's what happened.
41:33
Speaker 2: To her the she she put out that statement that
41:37
Speaker 2: you know, her line was whatever five or six inches
41:40
Speaker 2: too tight and that's why her arm goes through that gate.
41:43
Speaker 2: I mean, if you can give me a description of
41:47
Speaker 2: how that happens about, you know, when you're going that
41:50
Speaker 2: fast and when you've practiced on the course or you
41:53
Speaker 2: haven't or whatever, you know the margin for error and
41:56
Speaker 2: how you could avoid it or how you can't in
41:58
Speaker 2: a situation like that.
42:01
Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of it. It comes down to composure
42:07
Speaker 8: and understanding, you know, understanding those variables. Like if I
42:12
Speaker 8: were to align it with an experience that I had,
42:14
Speaker 8: I was when I was seventeen years old. I was
42:17
Speaker 8: in Fort McGall, Spain, running a downhill and I during
42:24
Speaker 8: the race, I came over an air and all of
42:28
Speaker 8: a sudden, I had a tailwind of about ten miles
42:30
Speaker 8: an hour that I hadn't had in the earlier training runs,
42:34
Speaker 8: and so I didn't adjust my line as I came
42:37
Speaker 8: off the jump, and I flew straight into the panel,
42:42
Speaker 8: Whereas earlier I had been going a little bit slower
42:44
Speaker 8: off of that jump and could land and make an
42:46
Speaker 8: adjustment on the snow, and so yeah, she's you know,
42:50
Speaker 8: the track was likely running a little bit quicker. Again,
42:55
Speaker 8: she has nurse, so maybe some adrenaline forced her to
42:58
Speaker 8: put a little bit more pressure on her ski, which
43:02
Speaker 8: started her turn a little bit earlier, and then she
43:06
Speaker 8: just hooked her arm. It happens. And you know, those
43:10
Speaker 8: are pretty unforgiving conditions. When you're going sixty seventy miles
43:15
Speaker 8: an hour. It's a degree a degree of direction and
43:21
Speaker 8: you could be through the panel or you could be
43:23
Speaker 8: flying on to the next gate. It's just the margin
43:25
Speaker 8: of error is super low, and that's what makes it
43:27
Speaker 8: so thrilling. I mean, that's why I love the ski race,
43:29
Speaker 8: because you know, those that are composed, those that can
43:34
Speaker 8: really control their emotions and stick to their game plan
43:37
Speaker 8: are often the most successful. And honestly, I think that's
43:41
Speaker 8: a big reason why when I started playing football, it
43:44
Speaker 8: was like, oh, yeah, I can run out and kick
43:46
Speaker 8: a football in front of some people cheering. It's not
43:49
Speaker 8: life or death. I'm not going to you know, break
43:52
Speaker 8: my leg doing it.
43:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense. Andy Phillips
43:56
Speaker 2: is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell's show, speaking
43:59
Speaker 2: of that, you know, emotional regulation. Breezy Johnson ends up
44:02
Speaker 2: winning the gold medal after watching a teammate, you know,
44:07
Speaker 2: have her career ended on a catastrophic mistake and crash.
44:12
Speaker 2: What's it like watching a teammate or even just a
44:15
Speaker 2: fellow competitor on that same course go down like that
44:19
Speaker 2: and then having to perform still yourself.
44:22
Speaker 8: Well, Breezey's in a unique position because she actually had
44:26
Speaker 8: crashed earlier in her career on that same track, and
44:33
Speaker 8: so she, you know, again knowing that somebody in front
44:38
Speaker 8: of you is crashed, and then having to sit in
44:41
Speaker 8: the start gate for an extra fifteen twenty thirty minutes.
44:45
Speaker 8: You watch the helicopter, you know, carrying off whoever just
44:48
Speaker 8: went down. You know, it's not a good situation. And
44:50
Speaker 8: then of course it's a teammate, So she Breezy had
44:54
Speaker 8: to control some serious emotion there and composure. But she
44:57
Speaker 8: also knows what it's like to to go down on
45:00
Speaker 8: that track, and so for her, uh, there was some redemption.
45:04
Speaker 8: And she had been fast in the training runs. I
45:07
Speaker 8: believe she had won both of the training runs, and
45:10
Speaker 8: so she knew what she was doing she's a competitor,
45:12
Speaker 8: she's an athlete, she's she lives here in Salt Lake.
45:16
Speaker 8: In fact, she when she skied at Romark Ski Academy,
45:22
Speaker 8: they were they were one day running uh stadium stairs
45:27
Speaker 8: and of course the specialists come trotting over in the
45:30
Speaker 8: golf cart and we're kicking some field goals, and so
45:32
Speaker 8: I got to chat with her for a little bit,
45:34
Speaker 8: which was which was really cool, And she knew me
45:37
Speaker 8: from my ski racing days, not necessarily from my football days,
45:40
Speaker 8: and just I'm so excited for her, I thought, you know,
45:44
Speaker 8: for her to overcome that not only Lindsay crashing in
45:48
Speaker 8: front of her, but but then also kind of personally
45:51
Speaker 8: overcoming of course that she had been injured on a
45:54
Speaker 8: few years prior and coming back and being victorious and
45:58
Speaker 8: best in the world. I mean, what an accomplishment.
46:01
Speaker 2: I do want to pick your brand about at least
46:02
Speaker 2: one football question before I let you go. But you know,
46:06
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of conversation about coach Witt moving
46:09
Speaker 2: on to Michigan and what he took with him, and
46:12
Speaker 2: player and coaching personnel now not being part of a
46:15
Speaker 2: Utah program under Morgan in his first year as a
46:18
Speaker 2: full time head coach. I still believe that Morgan's going
46:22
Speaker 2: to get it figured out. I don't think it's going
46:24
Speaker 2: to be instantaneous, but I just I'm impressed with Morgan Scalley.
46:29
Speaker 2: There's a lot of similarities between him and Kyle Whittingham.
46:32
Speaker 2: But from your perspective, what do you think is going
46:34
Speaker 2: to be the biggest difference about Utah football under Morgan
46:38
Speaker 2: Scalley versus with coach wit.
46:42
Speaker 1: Oh?
46:43
Speaker 8: Man, if we want to talk off the field, I
46:45
Speaker 8: think the biggest hire for us. You know, in the
46:50
Speaker 8: alumni world is Bonagahe how about.
46:53
Speaker 2: That Banagah the alumni coordinator? Really cool to see.
46:57
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I'm still I think that's been a
46:59
Speaker 8: huge weak spot in Utah football, is pulling in the
47:03
Speaker 8: alumni and you know, being one now for close to
47:06
Speaker 8: ten years, it's like, man, we got to step our
47:09
Speaker 8: game up. We can't let other schools and stayed out
47:11
Speaker 8: shine us. And so I think bo will do a
47:13
Speaker 8: great job and really excited to have him in that position.
47:17
Speaker 8: From from an on field or I guess it's more
47:20
Speaker 8: of a coaching perspective, like coach with his own guy
47:25
Speaker 8: and not as personable as coach Scalley not as emotional,
47:30
Speaker 8: and I think we all saw from Coach s Galley's
47:33
Speaker 8: press conference the kind of leader that he is and
47:35
Speaker 8: the kind of energy that he brings to the room
47:38
Speaker 8: and attracts. And so having a Utah football program, both
47:43
Speaker 8: on the field with the players and also on the
47:45
Speaker 8: coaching staff that he's put together, that that kind of
47:48
Speaker 8: you know, mesh with that style and with that leadership,
47:52
Speaker 8: with that personability, with that just just that energy is
47:56
Speaker 8: going to be I mean, as media members, I expect
47:59
Speaker 8: you guys practice to feel a lot, a lot more valued,
48:03
Speaker 8: but also be able to feel uh, just an energy shift.
48:07
Speaker 8: And so whether that's you know, whether that produces success
48:10
Speaker 8: on the field or not, I think from a uh
48:14
Speaker 8: you know, as a player, that's what you want, you
48:17
Speaker 8: you want to you want to be able to feel
48:20
Speaker 8: that energy and and see that from your coach. And
48:25
Speaker 8: of course, you know, Morgan's twenty years younger or so
48:28
Speaker 8: from than than Kyle, but like he he he is
48:32
Speaker 8: a player's coach, and I think that the staff he
48:35
Speaker 8: put around him is also of that same you know,
48:38
Speaker 8: cut from that same stone. So that's my biggest you know,
48:41
Speaker 8: that's my biggest prediction is. It's just gonna it's gonna
48:43
Speaker 8: be a different feel and it's gonna be awesome, and
48:45
Speaker 8: it's going to be high energy. Uh and and I
48:48
Speaker 8: think a lot of success will come from it.
48:50
Speaker 2: It's been a weird winter. How much skiing are you?
48:52
Speaker 2: Have you been able to do? How is the skiing?
48:54
Speaker 2: I haven't not been up. I'm not in the snow
48:57
Speaker 2: sports like you like. It's been dry. But how's it been?
49:01
Speaker 8: It has it has?
49:02
Speaker 1: You know?
49:02
Speaker 8: I'm in the ski racing world still. I coach at
49:05
Speaker 8: Snowbird with Snowbird Ski Education Foundation. I've got all my
49:09
Speaker 8: kids in that program. In fact, the last two days
49:12
Speaker 8: we've had we've hosted a couple of races up there
49:14
Speaker 8: for our Olympic hopeful here in Salt Lake. So it
49:19
Speaker 8: was then under fourteen, under twelve, under ten racers from
49:23
Speaker 8: all around the Inner Mountain region. And I will tell
49:27
Speaker 8: you this, while the powder skiing has been you know,
49:30
Speaker 8: it hurts the soul. There hasn't been much, if any
49:33
Speaker 8: this year from a racing perspective. The kids have had
49:39
Speaker 8: to really work on fundamentals on the groomers and you know,
49:43
Speaker 8: stay on the hill and not go, not go hit
49:46
Speaker 8: cliffs and ski powder. So that's been that's been a
49:49
Speaker 8: big positive for for the skiing. Now, with that being said,
49:53
Speaker 8: I heard a rumor that, you know, we'll get about
49:56
Speaker 8: twelve inches or so between today and tomorrow and then
49:59
Speaker 8: next week for four feet or so. So with that said, like, hey,
50:05
Speaker 8: we've we've got a guy on the roster with the
50:07
Speaker 8: last with with with the name of Bird, or at
50:10
Speaker 8: least the nickname of Bird. And I think Snowbird would
50:14
Speaker 8: would benefit from getting Bird Fickland up on the hill.
50:17
Speaker 8: And so I'm gonna I'm gonna try and make that happen.
50:20
Speaker 8: I haven't talked to anybody about it yet, but I
50:22
Speaker 8: want to make that happen.
50:23
Speaker 2: I want to support you just because I like the idea,
50:26
Speaker 2: but also I don't want Bird Fickland to hurt himself
50:29
Speaker 2: skiing or snowboarding. So like Bird, go up on the hill,
50:33
Speaker 2: but stay on the bunny hill. All right, Let's let's
50:35
Speaker 2: keep it between the beacons.
50:38
Speaker 8: Hey, I'll take good care of me, all right.
50:39
Speaker 2: All right, Andy, you're the man. Appreciate your time.
50:41
Speaker 8: Thank you, Yeah, thanks so se appreciate you. Guys.
50:45
Speaker 2: Andy Phillips. The only probably I'm gonna go out on
50:50
Speaker 2: a limb. Here the only former All Americans level kicker,
50:56
Speaker 2: All Conference level kicker, or football player at any position
50:59
Speaker 2: that could come on and give you that detailed and
51:01
Speaker 2: knowledgeable of a downhill skiing breakdown. And I don't just
51:05
Speaker 2: mean from the University of Utah, I mean probably from
51:07
Speaker 2: any school. We're lucky to have Andy Big thanks to
51:10
Speaker 2: him for joining us. All right, hot lunch is next.
51:13
Speaker 2: I've got a list for you of Utah football players
51:16
Speaker 2: invited to this year's NFL scouting combine. It's a Shat
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51:38
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51:49
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52:07
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52:11
Speaker 3: you add some Canadian bacon which is indiscernible from ham
52:16
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Speaker 2: That's a victory of the highest order.
52:23
Speaker 3: Oh man, we got a bunch of calls from Canada
52:26
Speaker 3: upset by what you just said about Canadian bacon and ham.
52:30
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52:34
Speaker 3: Is that, by the way, is that one of those
52:36
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52:39
Speaker 3: Is Canadian bacon really Canadian?
52:41
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52:43
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I do know this. Who do
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Speaker 2: I know that's Canadian that we could ask?
52:49
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53:28
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53:32
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53:37
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53:41
Speaker 2: It's basically a chip instead of a French fry. Yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 3: My favorite, my favorite bonus fry is the is when
53:50
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53:54
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53:57
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53:59
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54:03
Speaker 3: I wanted Home South fries, but I love that I
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54:12
Speaker 2: to Big Willies for pride providing us to Hot Lunch.
54:15
Speaker 2: Uh the sports topic for the Hot Lunch today. I
54:19
Speaker 2: promised you a list of Utah football players that have
54:22
Speaker 2: been invited to this upcoming NFL scouting at NBA NFL
54:26
Speaker 2: Scouting combine. And this is mostly who you thought it
54:30
Speaker 2: was gonna be. There's one name in here that I'm
54:35
Speaker 2: growing more and more excited for what this guy can
54:38
Speaker 2: be at the next level. We didn't talk about him
54:41
Speaker 2: a lot in the run up to the last season.
54:43
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about him honestly nearly enough during the season.
54:48
Speaker 2: But Dallan Bentley is a guy who when you pay
54:52
Speaker 2: attention to what he actually is, like how he's built,
54:57
Speaker 2: the fact that he was a multi year contributor that
55:03
Speaker 2: over the course of his career became more and more influential,
55:06
Speaker 2: more and more significant to the program. I think there's
55:12
Speaker 2: there's a lot of NFL talent evaluators that obviously we're
55:16
Speaker 2: talking about the combine here, they're going to be like, whatever,
55:18
Speaker 2: how big is he, how tall is he? How fast
55:20
Speaker 2: is he? That matters most, especially in this context. But
55:26
Speaker 2: the more people you talk to in NFL personnel departments
55:29
Speaker 2: and the more former NFL ers we have on, the
55:32
Speaker 2: more personality counts, the more attitude counts, And Dallan Bentley
55:40
Speaker 2: his experience at Utah is going to be looked on
55:43
Speaker 2: favorably because NFL teams want guys that are not front runners,
55:48
Speaker 2: they want guys that are not quitters. They want guys
55:51
Speaker 2: that have shown commitment at the college level, even in
55:54
Speaker 2: a system where you can bounce around and look for
55:57
Speaker 2: greener pastures. And Dallon Bentley stayed the course at the
56:01
Speaker 2: University of Utah and made himself into one heck of
56:03
Speaker 2: a player in his final year. He is physically a
56:08
Speaker 2: pretty impressive specimen. And he's also a guy that I
56:11
Speaker 2: think is gonna benefit greatly from this next roughly two
56:15
Speaker 2: months where you're preparing specifically for the combine drills, because
56:19
Speaker 2: he has athleticism, but he's always tried to point that
56:22
Speaker 2: athleticism in the direction of football. Now he's going to
56:25
Speaker 2: be like, Oh, all I gotta do is practice on
56:28
Speaker 2: my sprint starts in my three cone drill and things
56:31
Speaker 2: like that. I think Dallan Bentley could really make a
56:34
Speaker 2: little bit of a splash as kind of a surprise player.
56:36
Speaker 2: So glad he's getting the NFL Combine invite. No surprise
56:40
Speaker 2: that Spencer Fano and Kleb Lomu have both been invited
56:44
Speaker 2: Logan Fano has been invited to the NFL Scout in combine.
56:49
Speaker 2: This is one I mean, that's a win for him
56:52
Speaker 2: in my opinion. Logan is obviously not going to be
56:55
Speaker 2: the Marquis Fano name that people are looking at, but
57:01
Speaker 2: a lot of us, myself included, we're questioning whether or
57:04
Speaker 2: not now is the right time to enter the scouting combine,
57:08
Speaker 2: enter the NFL draft period, because he has eligibility left
57:13
Speaker 2: and his production, especially with his injury history, was like
57:18
Speaker 2: too fleeting in my opinion, for the NFL to look
57:21
Speaker 2: favorably upon it. This is good news for Logan Fano
57:26
Speaker 2: that some of the bursts and things that he saw
57:29
Speaker 2: on film caused teams to say, yeah, let's invite this
57:31
Speaker 2: kid as well. Lander Barton also invited to the NFL
57:35
Speaker 2: scouting Combine. No surprise there. You got two older brothers
57:38
Speaker 2: in the combine. You are constantly in the headlines as
57:41
Speaker 2: a player to watch Landers. I know people don't like
57:49
Speaker 2: this storyline with Lander. I think Lander would be well
57:55
Speaker 2: served at the scouting combine to run some tight end
58:00
Speaker 2: rills as well. I think that his athleticism translates better
58:08
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball than on the defensive
58:13
Speaker 2: side of the ball. And I fully acknowledged that I
58:15
Speaker 2: was the guy who spent two whole off seasons telling
58:18
Speaker 2: you what he was capable of. And how he should
58:22
Speaker 2: be an All American linebacker, and he never came even
58:25
Speaker 2: remotely close to being that. So I realize what Mes
58:29
Speaker 2: saying this now says about my own opinions. But Dallan Bentley,
58:36
Speaker 2: Spencer Fono, Caleb Blomu, Logan Fano, Lander Barton, your NFL
58:42
Speaker 2: scouting combine invitees. Yeah, going back to Lander Barton, I
58:49
Speaker 2: don't think it's I don't think it's nuts just to
58:53
Speaker 2: say that about him, to say, hey, run some drills
58:58
Speaker 2: as a tight end too, not only because he showed
59:01
Speaker 2: some real promise in that and limited action at the
59:03
Speaker 2: tight end position this year, and that he was an
59:06
Speaker 2: incredible tight end in high school.
59:09
Speaker 3: But also because of what you were just alluding to.
59:12
Speaker 3: He did not quite fulfill his immense potential at linebacker
59:15
Speaker 3: at Utah. He played well enough, but he but there
59:20
Speaker 3: was a lot more that we thought we would see
59:23
Speaker 3: out of him. So why not show the NFL, hey,
59:27
Speaker 3: I've got some versatility here If you don't, if you
59:30
Speaker 3: feel the same about me as linebacker that a lot
59:33
Speaker 3: of people did watching me in college, that a lot
59:36
Speaker 3: of left a little bit to be desired, let me
59:39
Speaker 3: show you what I can do in a different position.
59:41
Speaker 2: I mean, why not do that if you're Lander Bardon
59:44
Speaker 2: And honestly, the people at the combine might just be like, no, yeah,
59:50
Speaker 2: you're a linebacker, because they only do it if teams
59:53
Speaker 2: want to see you doing that. I remember, like, you know,
59:58
Speaker 2: when Nate Orchard was doing his scout and combine and
1:00:00
Speaker 2: when Jason Fanika, Right, those guys were dedicated past rushing
1:00:05
Speaker 2: players at the University of Utah, And in both cases
1:00:09
Speaker 2: there were teams that wanted to see what they would
1:00:11
Speaker 2: look like as a stand up linebacker. And so I
1:00:17
Speaker 2: was like, all right, run some linebacker drills. And I
1:00:20
Speaker 2: remember talking with Jason Fanik actually more about this, Like
1:00:23
Speaker 2: he was a huge he was like two hundred and
1:00:26
Speaker 2: sixty something pounds, and they're like, yeah, run some linebacker drills.
1:00:30
Speaker 2: He's like, what's okay, That's not necessarily where he thought
1:00:35
Speaker 2: his greatest potential was. But if teams want to see
1:00:38
Speaker 2: you do something, then you're gonna do it. Well, it's
1:00:40
Speaker 2: got a combine. If they don't, then they don't.
1:00:42
Speaker 3: But But what Lander and his and his agents and
1:00:45
Speaker 3: his agent and his reps can do is they can
1:00:48
Speaker 3: they can try to lobby for that, right, Like Hey,
1:00:50
Speaker 3: this guy's got some potential at tight end too. You
1:00:52
Speaker 3: might want to see him showcase some of that too.
1:00:55
Speaker 2: And it might it might be as simple as like,
1:00:59
Speaker 2: my straight line speed is better than my lateral speed,
1:01:02
Speaker 2: like I have, I had troubles in the changing direction,
1:01:06
Speaker 2: and guys would like whatever, And maybe you have to
1:01:10
Speaker 2: show that with your forty versus your you know, short
1:01:14
Speaker 2: shuttle whatever. Again, I wish Lander Barton very very well
1:01:19
Speaker 2: at this next level. I hope. I mean, his brothers
1:01:22
Speaker 2: have stayed in the NFL for a long time. Jackson
1:01:25
Speaker 2: has been a multi year backup offensive lineman for several
1:01:31
Speaker 2: different franchises, even very very successful franchises like the Kansas
1:01:35
Speaker 2: City Chiefs. Cody has bounced around a lot, but he's
1:01:37
Speaker 2: been a starting caliber linebacker in like the last five
1:01:41
Speaker 2: seasons of his NFL career with the Broncos. Still this year,
1:01:44
Speaker 2: No Tennessee, Tennessee. That's right.
1:01:48
Speaker 3: Recently with the Broncos though they were building up to
1:01:50
Speaker 3: what they were. I mean, he also has played for
1:01:52
Speaker 3: some really good organizations.
1:01:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, so bummer for him to be with the Seahawks.
1:01:59
Speaker 2: And then when the Seahawks get back to Super Bowl contention,
1:02:01
Speaker 2: he's somewhere else, but and then the and then Broncos
1:02:05
Speaker 2: same thing. But but at the end of the day,
1:02:08
Speaker 2: right and he's carving out a nice little career for himself.
1:02:11
Speaker 2: He's making I mean, I think his current contract is
1:02:14
Speaker 2: like I'll just look it up. It's it's pretty, it's nice,
1:02:17
Speaker 2: you know, and so I want to see something like
1:02:20
Speaker 2: that for Lander.
1:02:23
Speaker 3: He definitely has the ability that the talent to make
1:02:27
Speaker 3: that for himself. It's just it's just putting it together right,
1:02:30
Speaker 3: and maybe it's maybe he'll he'll get some some different
1:02:35
Speaker 3: coaching will help him put all that together at the
1:02:38
Speaker 3: next level if he gets if he's a fortunate enough
1:02:41
Speaker 3: to get that kind of opportunity, maybe it'll be some
1:02:44
Speaker 3: other factor that can unlock. He can unlock something that
1:02:47
Speaker 3: he didn't He wasn't quite able to unlock here at Utah.
1:02:50
Speaker 3: Injuries were also a part of that too.
1:02:51
Speaker 2: H Cody Barton's current contract, three year, twenty one million
1:02:55
Speaker 2: dollar deal that he signed March of twenty twenty five
1:02:59
Speaker 2: thirteen point three mins million dollars in total guarantees at
1:03:02
Speaker 2: about seven million bucks a year.
1:03:05
Speaker 3: If I got one of those deals, I'd retire. It's
1:03:10
Speaker 3: only for it's only for three years, and it's not
1:03:12
Speaker 3: even fully guaranteed. I'd be okay, not working another day
1:03:15
Speaker 3: of my life, see you guys later.
1:03:16
Speaker 2: Look, I know that this is reductive and we do
1:03:20
Speaker 2: it too often, but like, if you have a two
1:03:22
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar contract, obviously you're fine if you only
1:03:26
Speaker 2: get like the signing bonus off something like that, if
1:03:30
Speaker 2: your deal is thirteen million dollars guaranteed. And this is
1:03:33
Speaker 2: this is what his third deal in the NFL. Like,
1:03:36
Speaker 2: so he's made some money already, thirteen million bucks. Cody
1:03:42
Speaker 2: Barton's a cowboy, all right. Like that's that's what the
1:03:45
Speaker 2: Barton family is there.
1:03:47
Speaker 3: Remember Lander telling you guys at at media days last
1:03:51
Speaker 3: year that if he if he had his druthers, money
1:03:56
Speaker 3: was no objects, he would just he would just spend
1:03:59
Speaker 3: time as the.
1:04:00
Speaker 2: Ranch all day. And you know what that might be
1:04:02
Speaker 2: his future honestly, Like, maybe maybe part of the reason
1:04:07
Speaker 2: why Lander has not lived up to his potential in
1:04:11
Speaker 2: football is because his passion is not in football. Yeah.
1:04:14
Speaker 2: I don't want to put.
1:04:15
Speaker 3: Words in his mouth, but like he certainly as a
1:04:18
Speaker 3: passion for just being a rancher.
1:04:20
Speaker 2: We all grew up with people, right we all played
1:04:23
Speaker 2: with people that were like, physically capable of doing way
1:04:29
Speaker 2: more than we saw them actually achieve. That has been
1:04:32
Speaker 2: one of my great frustrations as an athlete, actually, first
1:04:36
Speaker 2: in the football world and then in the fight world,
1:04:37
Speaker 2: where I would see guys that were way more talented,
1:04:42
Speaker 2: way more physically impressive than me not do it. And
1:04:48
Speaker 2: of course, because I like to be out of touch
1:04:51
Speaker 2: with reality, I would always like, if I had your body,
1:04:55
Speaker 2: I would make it to the NFL, or like my.
1:04:59
Speaker 3: Work at the is obviously superior. So if I had
1:05:02
Speaker 3: your superior.
1:05:02
Speaker 2: Body, if I if I had your speed and explosiveness
1:05:07
Speaker 2: and reflexes, I would have been a multiple time UFC champion,
1:05:12
Speaker 2: and I would have won four PFL million dollar tournament.
1:05:16
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like you do that when
1:05:18
Speaker 2: you see people who are physically superior to yourself but
1:05:21
Speaker 2: then underachief and then you're just like, what are you doing? Man?
1:05:23
Speaker 2: Why are you not? Why why do you not care
1:05:26
Speaker 2: as much as I care? Right? And maybe like you
1:05:29
Speaker 2: don't hear that about Lander Barton. People don't say that
1:05:32
Speaker 2: about him as coaches have never been like, he doesn't
1:05:35
Speaker 2: have the want to, he doesn't have the care factor.
1:05:37
Speaker 3: We're not saying that either. We're just trying to thread
1:05:40
Speaker 3: the needle of saying, hey, he's more talented than what
1:05:43
Speaker 3: he showed at Utah.
1:05:45
Speaker 2: And and by the way, the NFL, the NFL scouting
1:05:48
Speaker 2: combine for a Lander Barton very specifically right like Lomu's
1:05:53
Speaker 2: got great tape and I promise you when his little
1:05:58
Speaker 2: player profile that we will read all of them. When
1:06:00
Speaker 2: his player profile comes out, it's gonna do the same
1:06:03
Speaker 2: thing it always does with guys like him. Needs to
1:06:05
Speaker 2: add strength, needs to add size, have more, you know,
1:06:08
Speaker 2: point of attack type stuff, great pass sets, quick hands,
1:06:11
Speaker 2: nimble feet. It's gonna be all that same thing for
1:06:15
Speaker 2: for Spencer Fano, Altland Trophy winner, doesn't have a lot
1:06:19
Speaker 2: of holes in his game, but could add this, could
1:06:21
Speaker 2: add that, right, Lander Barton is gonna be the type
1:06:25
Speaker 2: of project that NFL coaches just like all the college coaches.
1:06:30
Speaker 2: They look at his frame, they look at his body,
1:06:32
Speaker 2: they're gonna see his measurables, and they're gonna be like,
1:06:35
Speaker 2: I want that. I watch what I can do with that.
1:06:42
Speaker 2: And people are gonna be like, well, Colton Swan at
1:06:44
Speaker 2: Utah is a really dang good coach. You think you
1:06:46
Speaker 2: can get more out of him than Colton Swan, and
1:06:49
Speaker 2: every NFL coach is gonna be like, yep.
1:06:51
Speaker 3: Like, all due respect to Colton Swan, but who dad,
1:06:55
Speaker 3: I can do better than that.
1:06:57
Speaker 2: So Lander I think is gonna be one of those
1:06:58
Speaker 2: guys that people are just like, look how tall, look
1:07:01
Speaker 2: how rangy that look? How long armed this guy is? Yeah,
1:07:04
Speaker 2: like he's gonna be a linebacker with like ten and
1:07:07
Speaker 2: a half inch hands. They're gonna be like this dude,
1:07:10
Speaker 2: maybe he would be a better tied end.
1:07:11
Speaker 3: I don't know, but there's there's a joke in uh
1:07:15
Speaker 3: NBA media of you know you're on You're on so
1:07:19
Speaker 3: and so Island as in I still believe this guy
1:07:22
Speaker 3: is gonna be a star. I still believe this guy's
1:07:24
Speaker 3: gonna be a ten year pro even though he's been
1:07:27
Speaker 3: terrible or he hasn't let he hasn't maybe not terrible,
1:07:31
Speaker 3: but he hasn't lived up to expectations like Dante ex
1:07:35
Speaker 3: him around here. X of Island was a big was
1:07:37
Speaker 3: a big thing, right and even among NBA media, I'm
1:07:40
Speaker 3: still on X of Island man.
1:07:41
Speaker 2: Look at him.
1:07:42
Speaker 3: He he can be, he can be great, and he
1:07:45
Speaker 3: just never panned out. He's never panned out that say,
1:07:49
Speaker 3: what the way that a lot of us thought he
1:07:52
Speaker 3: would in the NBA. Lander Barton is one of those
1:07:55
Speaker 3: NFL potential NFL players that you I'm on Lander Barton
1:07:58
Speaker 3: Island Man. I I still think he's he can be awesome,
1:08:02
Speaker 3: and hopefully he is. Hopefully is awesome, has a better
1:08:05
Speaker 3: NFL career than he had in college.
1:08:09
Speaker 2: BYU has his has BYU has two players heading to
1:08:15
Speaker 2: the NFL scouting combine. Jack Kelly and Chase Roberts are
1:08:20
Speaker 2: the BYU invitees. Now LJ. Martin could have been invited.
1:08:25
Speaker 2: They would be there if he didn't go back. Instead,
1:08:29
Speaker 2: he's coming back to play and be a problem again
1:08:32
Speaker 2: at the college football level. Could be a dark horse
1:08:34
Speaker 2: Heisman candidate. Yes, Okay, but the count for Big twelve
1:08:40
Speaker 2: schools Texas Tech with eight players invited, TCU with five,
1:08:46
Speaker 2: Utah with five, Arizona State, Baylor and Cincinnati four each,
1:08:51
Speaker 2: Arizona and Kansas three, BYU, Houston, Kansas State and UCF two.
1:08:56
Speaker 2: Iowa State only one player invited, Colorado, Oklahoma State, West Virginia,
1:09:02
Speaker 2: Big Old Goose Egg. Nobody invited from any of those
1:09:06
Speaker 2: schools to the NFL Scouting Combine. Now, if you're Oklahoma State, ouch,
1:09:10
Speaker 2: if you're West Virginia, ouch, if you're Colorado, and the
1:09:15
Speaker 2: entirety of your recruiting pitch is based on we are
1:09:18
Speaker 2: an NFL pipeline school. You're gonna be coached by NFL
1:09:21
Speaker 2: Hall of famers and we're gonna get you ready for
1:09:23
Speaker 2: the league. And they don't even have a single guy
1:09:26
Speaker 2: going to the combine. Boy, you believe now? See that sucks? Yeah?
1:09:34
Speaker 2: All right? Way over time here, Well, we'll get to
1:09:37
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Speaker 2: If you're watching on the YouTube, you just saw me
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Speaker 2: to have happen. All right, spend way too much time
1:10:19
Speaker 2: on the list of Utah football players that are headed
1:10:22
Speaker 2: to the NFL Scouting combine. I started the show today
1:10:25
Speaker 2: talking about the very strange, in my opinion, backlash against
1:10:32
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz these last couple of days about their
1:10:35
Speaker 2: tanking method and the willful ignorance about other teams that
1:10:41
Speaker 2: are currently tanking in the NBA, also just being like, well,
1:10:44
Speaker 2: the Wizards aren't doing it like that. You're right, the
1:10:46
Speaker 2: Wizards are doing it in a more obvious and traditional
1:10:49
Speaker 2: way where they just shut down their best players that
1:10:52
Speaker 2: they recently acquired, more egregious way.
1:10:55
Speaker 3: By the way, this is what the Jazz got fined
1:10:58
Speaker 3: for last year, is shutting down plays that are actually
1:11:01
Speaker 3: probably healthy.
1:11:04
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I'm trying to figure
1:11:07
Speaker 2: out from a sports fan perspective, how you feel about
1:11:11
Speaker 2: quote unquote the integrity of sport and what threatens it
1:11:14
Speaker 2: versus what doesn't. What's what's something that bothers you that
1:11:17
Speaker 2: you're seeing in sports right now? So on Twitter or
1:11:23
Speaker 2: you can text it to me eight seven seven three
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Speaker 2: five three zero seven hundred, what is the actual greatest
1:11:27
Speaker 2: threat to the integrity of the NBA and other sports?
1:11:30
Speaker 2: Load management I put as an option betting currently has
1:11:33
Speaker 2: fifty one percent of the vote. Tanking. Whether you like
1:11:37
Speaker 2: the Jazz's method or the traditional method. Tanking is something
1:11:40
Speaker 2: that some people really do dislike and feel like it
1:11:43
Speaker 2: is detrimental to the sport and the integrity of the sport.
1:11:46
Speaker 2: And then about six percent with other and people mentioned
1:11:50
Speaker 2: the capsir convention, like what the Clippers did trying to
1:11:53
Speaker 2: pay players outside of the rules. This from Mutes' mamoth.
1:11:58
Speaker 2: Majority of players in the NBA look like they'd rather
1:12:00
Speaker 2: be elsewhere than on the court. No defense, guys checking
1:12:04
Speaker 2: up threes, Referees blatantly buyas towards stars. That's what's ruining
1:12:07
Speaker 2: the game. Officiating could be one of those things. Tampering
1:12:11
Speaker 2: is more of a conversation right now in college sports
1:12:13
Speaker 2: than in pro sports, but tampering has been a problem
1:12:15
Speaker 2: in pro sports.
1:12:16
Speaker 3: Also, Like, what is the biggest threat for you? If
1:12:20
Speaker 3: there is a threat to the integrity of the sport.
1:12:22
Speaker 3: If you even think that integrity of the game is
1:12:25
Speaker 3: a phrase that fits in American sports right now, what
1:12:29
Speaker 3: is the biggest threat to it? What is the biggest
1:12:31
Speaker 3: thing that could damage that? Let me know what you think.
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Speaker 2: of the big beefs that Jonathan Kaminga and the Golden
1:12:58
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Speaker 2: on the text line, the biggest threat to college sports
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Speaker 2: But I don't disagree one hundred percent with what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: Derek on the text line says load management is the
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Speaker 2: biggest threat to the integrity of the sports. Lebron made
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Speaker 2: it popular, Kawhi made it an art. That's a fair
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Speaker 2: way to assess. Twenty six to seventy seven says I
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Speaker 2: have exactly zero interest in the NBA. Entitle guaranteed contracts
1:14:39
Speaker 2: is a part of the problem resting of players, especially stars.
1:14:42
Speaker 2: Tanking defeats what competition is. The NBA is a show,
1:14:45
Speaker 2: not sports. So this is actually a topic that has
1:14:50
Speaker 2: come up a lot in well, in boxing, in MMA.
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Speaker 2: Is this a real sport or is this just an
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Speaker 2: avenue of entertainment that people have kind of put into
1:15:06
Speaker 2: the sports category. And the argument is that like in
1:15:12
Speaker 2: combat sports, there's not really a uniform ranking system. Nobody
1:15:15
Speaker 2: does tournaments anymore. At PFL, who I work for, was
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Speaker 2: the last to do like a bona fide tournament where
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Speaker 2: it's not matchmaking, it's not manipulated. It's not like, hey,
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Speaker 2: let's give this guy a path to the title with
1:15:27
Speaker 2: easier fights, or you know, let's try to get this
1:15:30
Speaker 2: particular audience by having a champion who's from South America
1:15:35
Speaker 2: or from you know, Africa, or from Europe. We haven't
1:15:38
Speaker 2: had econom mc gregor in a while, so the European
1:15:40
Speaker 2: audience is going away. Let's build somebody. All here's Patty pimblet.
1:15:44
Speaker 2: You know, there's all these conversations that happen in the
1:15:47
Speaker 2: MMA world and in the boxing world about marketability and
1:15:51
Speaker 2: what you're trying to create. And some people say, yeah,
1:15:54
Speaker 2: that means it's not a sport, because a real sport,
1:15:57
Speaker 2: it just figures itself out. Competition determines who the champion
1:16:01
Speaker 2: is and nothing else. So at least for this texter,
1:16:06
Speaker 2: the NBA is getting to be that way also, which
1:16:08
Speaker 2: is unfortunate. All right, let's get into the daily dump
1:16:12
Speaker 2: stories here. I have to start with this one because
1:16:15
Speaker 2: I teased it. But you know, we have these relationships
1:16:20
Speaker 2: between players, coaches, players, GMS, players, ownership in pro sports
1:16:25
Speaker 2: that seem all fine, and then they go south they
1:16:28
Speaker 2: sour and Jonathan Kaminga was a great example of this
1:16:31
Speaker 2: with the Golden State Warriors. In an organization where everybody
1:16:37
Speaker 2: seemed to kind of get along excel and they would
1:16:40
Speaker 2: figure it out, Kaminga didn't fit for whatever reason. He
1:16:47
Speaker 2: always wanted out and he would demand a trade and
1:16:51
Speaker 2: then they would kind of smooth things over and they
1:16:53
Speaker 2: would figure out a better way. In any case, Jonathan Kaminga,
1:16:58
Speaker 2: the report is out now that one of the reasons
1:17:00
Speaker 2: why it got petty and contentious between Jonathan Kaminga and
1:17:04
Speaker 2: the Golden State Warriors is because when tensions started to escalate,
1:17:11
Speaker 2: someone in the organization informed Jonathan Kaminga that someone attached
1:17:19
Speaker 2: to him was taking too much food from the family
1:17:23
Speaker 2: VIP room at team hotels and at Warrior games. Now
1:17:31
Speaker 2: this if I had a sibling, or if my wife
1:17:35
Speaker 2: was like a WNBA player or a professional athlete in
1:17:38
Speaker 2: any capacity, this would be a problem that my loved
1:17:43
Speaker 2: one would have to deal with. I would guarantee that
1:17:48
Speaker 2: if my wife or my brother or whoever was employed
1:17:52
Speaker 2: by some professional sports franchise as a competitor, they would
1:17:56
Speaker 2: be like, Hey, I got an email from our our
1:18:00
Speaker 2: arena events manager and he said that they caught you
1:18:07
Speaker 2: on camera stuffing like taketos into your pockets in the
1:18:11
Speaker 2: family VIP room. You're not could you not do that anymore?
1:18:16
Speaker 2: Or like the all you could eat the Toyota Club stuff.
1:18:20
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to take a to go box in
1:18:22
Speaker 2: there and fill it up. That's what this would be
1:18:25
Speaker 2: a problem. I would create this problem for a Jonathan
1:18:29
Speaker 2: Kaminga in my life. So do I think it's petty
1:18:32
Speaker 2: and dumb that a multi billion dollar business and an
1:18:36
Speaker 2: owner and a group that is they've been the beneficiaries
1:18:41
Speaker 2: of like not only some of the most expensive tickets
1:18:46
Speaker 2: and sold out attendance in recent history in the NBA,
1:18:49
Speaker 2: a very loyal fan base, a brand new arena in
1:18:52
Speaker 2: the city, all these great things, Like you're already a
1:18:55
Speaker 2: billionaire if I take three extra slices of pizza and
1:19:00
Speaker 2: put them in my fridge at home from the family room.
1:19:05
Speaker 2: Don't bother Jonathan Kaminga about it, all right, this one, shockingly,
1:19:10
Speaker 2: I'm on the side of the player, and more specifically,
1:19:13
Speaker 2: I'm on the side of the player's associate family member,
1:19:16
Speaker 2: whoever it was that took too much food out of
1:19:20
Speaker 2: the family vip room. Yeah, I'm I'm one that has
1:19:25
Speaker 2: ruffled feathers before before taking too much free food.
1:19:29
Speaker 3: So I'm also one that's like, I don't understand what
1:19:32
Speaker 3: the huge deal is here.
1:19:34
Speaker 2: It's you said the food was free. Okay. So this,
1:19:39
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you a story. When I was working
1:19:42
Speaker 2: for Serious XM, Jeff Schwartz and I would get invited
1:19:46
Speaker 2: to the coaches dinner for the PAC twelve conference at
1:19:52
Speaker 2: PAC twelve Media days before the actual media day, they
1:19:55
Speaker 2: would have a coach's dinner all the night before, the
1:19:57
Speaker 2: night before and they would have a really like we'd
1:20:01
Speaker 2: go to a really nice steakhouse most of the time,
1:20:04
Speaker 2: and they would have this delicious meal, and they had
1:20:09
Speaker 2: assigned seating. They would put media member next to coach
1:20:13
Speaker 2: and then there would be like a conference dignitary like
1:20:17
Speaker 2: one one season one year I sat with the head
1:20:21
Speaker 2: of officiating, and I sat with Jed Fish, and I
1:20:25
Speaker 2: sat with Clay Helton and the significant other of the
1:20:29
Speaker 2: coaches always invited to the dinner, et cetera, et cetera. Okay,
1:20:32
Speaker 2: So then the year that remember, USC and UCLA announced
1:20:37
Speaker 2: that they were leaving, like right before when PACK twelve
1:20:41
Speaker 2: Media days was going to happen, and then, of course,
1:20:46
Speaker 2: the following year, Colorado announced they were leaving, literally right
1:20:50
Speaker 2: the day after PACK twelve media days. But the year before,
1:20:55
Speaker 2: when USC and UCLA's began to destabilize the PAC twelve difference,
1:21:01
Speaker 2: they canceled the dinner and they instead they made it
1:21:04
Speaker 2: like a reception kind of thing, like or dirvs and
1:21:10
Speaker 2: stand around and open bar for anyone who wants to
1:21:13
Speaker 2: it was. It was not a fancy restaurant anymore. It
1:21:17
Speaker 2: was a VIP reception type situation. So they had people
1:21:21
Speaker 2: walking around with these or derves on plates. They had
1:21:26
Speaker 2: the side tables that were full. There was a nice sculpture,
1:21:30
Speaker 2: but no like sit down full dinner right well for
1:21:34
Speaker 2: your boy. I'm hungry. So everyone else is mixing and
1:21:40
Speaker 2: mingling and hanging around at this this like cocktail hour,
1:21:46
Speaker 2: and I'm like, where's the food. I'm starving. They canceled
1:21:50
Speaker 2: the dinner on me. I'm here to get my money's worth,
1:21:53
Speaker 2: which is doesn't make sense because I didn't pay anything
1:21:55
Speaker 2: for it out of these or derves right, And I
1:21:59
Speaker 2: firmly believe James that I probably like made myself persona
1:22:05
Speaker 2: non grada. I think that the PAC twelve people, any
1:22:10
Speaker 2: of the Fox Network, any like the ESPN people. Anyone
1:22:12
Speaker 2: that was there was probably just like, who is that guy?
1:22:17
Speaker 2: Why is he eating everything? Because I ate everything? I
1:22:22
Speaker 2: ate ten of everything, right, And the only thing that
1:22:25
Speaker 2: made me feel better is a guy who is no
1:22:28
Speaker 2: longer with us. Well, he's with us. I just sounded
1:22:32
Speaker 2: like he's alive. I just sound alive. He's no longer
1:22:35
Speaker 2: part of the Utah anything. He's now off to Michigan. Oh.
1:22:40
Speaker 2: The only other person that was going ham on the
1:22:43
Speaker 2: your dervs at this place. Literally everyone else was there,
1:22:46
Speaker 2: like Gus Johnson's there, Joel Klatz there, Colin Cowherd's there,
1:22:51
Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz is there. He's a huge man. He's having
1:22:53
Speaker 2: like one little tiny croissant.
1:22:56
Speaker 3: You told this story when you were talking about his
1:22:58
Speaker 3: disdain for events like that and parties, Yes, mandatory parties
1:23:02
Speaker 3: he has to go to about how he doesn't even
1:23:04
Speaker 3: really eat very.
1:23:05
Speaker 2: Much the stuff at these places. There were two people
1:23:09
Speaker 2: in the room that were making sure the food did
1:23:13
Speaker 2: not go to waste. One of them was me and
1:23:16
Speaker 2: the other one was Kyle Whittingham. It should be they
1:23:18
Speaker 2: should have thanked you. We were the only ones who
1:23:20
Speaker 2: were eating a ton.
1:23:21
Speaker 3: They should they should have come up to you and said,
1:23:23
Speaker 3: we're so grateful for you too, because we were worried
1:23:26
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to throw all this away.
1:23:28
Speaker 2: Like Brady Quinn's there, Mark Sanchez is there. Every one
1:23:32
Speaker 2: of these people is looking at me like, what is
1:23:35
Speaker 2: wrong with this dude? It probably it's probably why I
1:23:37
Speaker 2: will never like have a national I'm going to tell
1:23:40
Speaker 2: myself this, I'll never have a national media job in
1:23:42
Speaker 2: putting college football because people are gonna be like, oh,
1:23:45
Speaker 2: he's the guy from He's the dude that had fifty
1:23:48
Speaker 2: seven pork belly sandwiches or nerves. It was me. It's
1:23:56
Speaker 2: funny they didn't say that about Kyle Whittingham. Why are
1:23:59
Speaker 2: they making examp people out of you and you're the
1:24:01
Speaker 2: only one doing it. Back to the Jazz Tanking conversation,
1:24:04
Speaker 2: we were standing there. I remember Verry Disickly. We're standing there.
1:24:07
Speaker 2: I'm talking with him and Chip Kelly. Okay, we're standing
1:24:12
Speaker 2: there and the same young lady in like you know,
1:24:14
Speaker 2: the little like waiter vest comes by with the plate
1:24:18
Speaker 2: and they had these meatballs. I think they were like
1:24:20
Speaker 2: a Tarioki meatball or something. These meatballs were just with
1:24:24
Speaker 2: the toothpick in it, you know, not a regular toothpick.
1:24:27
Speaker 2: It's those long, like weird bamboo style toothpicks that have
1:24:30
Speaker 2: the curly cue in them.
1:24:31
Speaker 3: Fancy toothpicks. Yeah, and she comes by.
1:24:35
Speaker 2: I grab one.
1:24:35
Speaker 3: He grabs one. O one bite each. That's what they're for. Wow,
1:24:40
Speaker 3: those are really good.
1:24:41
Speaker 2: One bite. Everyone knows the rules. She goes around the
1:24:43
Speaker 2: room again. Nobody else takes any. She comes back to
1:24:46
Speaker 2: us the same exact plate, minus only the two meatballs
1:24:50
Speaker 2: that we ate. You guys want another one? I was like, yeah,
1:24:54
Speaker 2: o O he grabs what. I grab one. She walks back.
1:25:00
Speaker 2: Nobody else wants to, but she just comes back. She's like,
1:25:02
Speaker 2: do you guys want all these? I'm like, yeah, put
1:25:03
Speaker 2: them on the table. We ate the whole meatball plate.
1:25:06
Speaker 2: You and you and wit me and wit Andy was
1:25:10
Speaker 2: he didn't have any did you guys?
1:25:11
Speaker 3: Did you guys fist bump at any point when you
1:25:14
Speaker 3: were the only ones to know.
1:25:16
Speaker 2: I did make a comment like he's pretty good. He's like, yeah,
1:25:19
Speaker 2: these are good man, all right? No, I so I
1:25:23
Speaker 2: would be the one that get made Jonathan kaminga get
1:25:26
Speaker 2: a sternly worded email and then get traded and then
1:25:30
Speaker 2: just destabilizes relationship with the organization.
1:25:33
Speaker 3: No, like this is one of the This is another
1:25:36
Speaker 3: area where I mean where you and I can relate.
1:25:38
Speaker 2: Oh see, because I have.
1:25:39
Speaker 3: I've been that guy that people that didn't in some situations,
1:25:46
Speaker 3: people are like, well you just like you're just gonna
1:25:49
Speaker 3: You're just gonna eat all of that, and I'm like
1:25:52
Speaker 3: it's still available to me and yes, I'm still hungry,
1:25:55
Speaker 3: or yeah, that's really good, I'm gonna have another more.
1:25:57
Speaker 2: I'm having another one there.
1:25:59
Speaker 3: So yeah, I've I've also been I would also probably
1:26:03
Speaker 3: be that family member that gets my get someone in trouble.
1:26:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not ashamed to be such a glutton,
1:26:09
Speaker 2: and I should be. And that's that's where I run
1:26:13
Speaker 2: into trouble.
1:26:14
Speaker 3: We're reading, We're I'm reading The Boy, uh the Boy
1:26:17
Speaker 3: Hunger Games right now? Oh what yeah, just a few pages?
1:26:22
Speaker 3: Wait what there's a few pages. He's not even a
1:26:24
Speaker 3: year old.
1:26:25
Speaker 2: Hey, he can still listen absorb it. That's heavy source
1:26:30
Speaker 2: material for some of that age we're reading. It's it's
1:26:33
Speaker 2: it's only a few pages. You need to put that
1:26:35
Speaker 2: boy on my good dog car all that we're reading
1:26:38
Speaker 2: all those Okay, all right, that's not I'm not only
1:26:41
Speaker 2: reading him chapter books here and then son cat and
1:26:45
Speaker 2: has murdered the other child.
1:26:48
Speaker 3: No, so we're but we're at the we're a book one.
1:26:53
Speaker 3: But it this makes me think of catching fire book
1:26:57
Speaker 3: two when they're at when they when they're at the
1:27:00
Speaker 3: party and and the prep team is like, here, drink this.
1:27:05
Speaker 2: It'll make you, it'll make you less.
1:27:07
Speaker 3: Full, and it's just something to make them throw up
1:27:09
Speaker 3: so they can fit more food in. Yeah, that's we
1:27:12
Speaker 3: are the capital people in that. I would have I
1:27:14
Speaker 3: would have killed it.
1:27:15
Speaker 2: In ancient Rome where they had the vomitatorium, you would
1:27:18
Speaker 2: go to the feast and then you just like Bulimia
1:27:22
Speaker 2: and then you come back and eat more. I would
1:27:23
Speaker 2: have been I would have fit in well in modern
1:27:26
Speaker 2: day society. I commit repeated faux pauseund apparently that's a
1:27:31
Speaker 2: faux pas. All right, moving on in the Daily Dumb here.
1:27:36
Speaker 2: So this one's actually interesting, And James, I'm glad you
1:27:39
Speaker 2: put me on this because uh I, for whatever reason,
1:27:42
Speaker 2: I didn't get the official press release email. But the
1:27:45
Speaker 2: Big Twelve basketball tournaments are going to be played on
1:27:51
Speaker 2: a graphics court. A imagine you have the world's largest
1:27:57
Speaker 2: flat screen television and you just lay it down and
1:28:00
Speaker 2: then you play basketball on top of it.
1:28:01
Speaker 3: So two years ago at the All Star Game, the
1:28:04
Speaker 3: NBA All Star Game in Indianapolis, they had this Saturday
1:28:07
Speaker 3: Night and the Rising Stars Challenge on a court like this.
1:28:11
Speaker 3: So if you if you tune in any of that,
1:28:13
Speaker 3: you've seen something like this already. Big twelve's doing something similar.
1:28:17
Speaker 2: So so I have actually a connection to this. The
1:28:22
Speaker 2: first six years of my time with the PFL. The
1:28:27
Speaker 2: guy who was the executive producers in the truck, right,
1:28:30
Speaker 2: he was the guy who ran the entire broadcast in
1:28:32
Speaker 2: the truck. So he's the voice in my ear when
1:28:35
Speaker 2: I'm calling the fights. He's the director of what's going on?
1:28:39
Speaker 2: All right, all right, we're going to commercial here. All right,
1:28:42
Speaker 2: you got to read this sponsor, read whatever. He's like,
1:28:45
Speaker 2: he's serving the same role you serve on this show, right,
1:28:49
Speaker 2: but he's in a truck and he's coordinated cameras and
1:28:51
Speaker 2: doing all this stuff. So that guy is also, you know,
1:28:56
Speaker 2: an idea man of sorts, and this is his thing.
1:29:01
Speaker 2: He's been working on this for twenty years, getting an
1:29:06
Speaker 2: led court that you can play actual competitive basketball on
1:29:11
Speaker 2: or you could play pickle ball on it. You can
1:29:13
Speaker 2: play tennis on it, and you can put you could
1:29:16
Speaker 2: do whatever you want. Oh, you could pick volleyball, you
1:29:20
Speaker 2: could show graphics. His idea was that it would be
1:29:24
Speaker 2: something for like what's the Big Three, what's the three
1:29:27
Speaker 2: on three basketball league? Yeah? Big three and the women's
1:29:30
Speaker 2: one is unrivaled. Yeah, like they're doing all this crazy stuff,
1:29:34
Speaker 2: you know. Like his idea was, you could have because
1:29:38
Speaker 2: it's an led floor and you could put any image
1:29:40
Speaker 2: on it at any time in any spot that you
1:29:42
Speaker 2: would have hot spots that were now four point shots. Yeah,
1:29:46
Speaker 2: where like you just players don't know when it's gonna
1:29:49
Speaker 2: happen or where it's gonna happen. But oh, there's a
1:29:51
Speaker 2: green spot on.
1:29:52
Speaker 3: The corny stays up for like thirty seconds or so
1:29:55
Speaker 3: then you change it right a couple of minutes of time.
1:29:56
Speaker 2: So he's got all these like ideas of how you
1:29:59
Speaker 2: could do this cool stuff. And visually it's it's very stunning.
1:30:03
Speaker 2: It's a really cool thing. And a lot of people
1:30:05
Speaker 2: did see it at the All Star Challenge All Star
1:30:08
Speaker 2: Game a couple of years ago. But this, like this
1:30:11
Speaker 2: is the This is the first practical use of it.
1:30:14
Speaker 2: This is the first time that real basketball is going
1:30:16
Speaker 2: to be played on it. Competition basketball at the Big
1:30:21
Speaker 2: twelve basketball tournaments, on an interactive floor that you can
1:30:28
Speaker 2: show the like individual stat lines of players under their feet.
1:30:33
Speaker 2: You could have the highlights.
1:30:35
Speaker 3: Running the highlight of the last play while they're going
1:30:38
Speaker 3: into the next place. They're not gonna do stuff. They're
1:30:42
Speaker 3: not going to do stuff like that, but they'll do
1:30:44
Speaker 3: right now.
1:30:45
Speaker 2: But pregame and halftime and all that stuff is when
1:30:48
Speaker 2: you're gonna see a lot of this cool stuff. Jazz,
1:30:51
Speaker 2: the Jazz.
1:30:52
Speaker 3: And other teams have done this college and pro. It's
1:30:55
Speaker 3: not an led court, but something that you see at
1:30:59
Speaker 3: Mammoth games to the projection onto the court or onto
1:31:02
Speaker 3: the ice during starting lineups, which is really cool what
1:31:05
Speaker 3: they're doing the Jazz games, they put the mountains on there.
1:31:09
Speaker 3: And I remember the first time seeing it at the
1:31:12
Speaker 3: Delta Center was actually when they had Bear Tourney's face
1:31:15
Speaker 3: on the ice when they were announcing him as as
1:31:18
Speaker 3: part of the roster announcements before the game. Yeah, and
1:31:22
Speaker 3: they did that for Will Hardy too, and it was like,
1:31:27
Speaker 3: imagine that. But it's not a projection from the top
1:31:31
Speaker 3: of the building. It's actually in the court, right, so
1:31:34
Speaker 3: it can't be blocked by obstructions like people being on
1:31:37
Speaker 3: top of the court, and then the laser light show
1:31:41
Speaker 3: couldnot be seen on the court.
1:31:42
Speaker 2: It's actually coming from the court itself. And you could
1:31:47
Speaker 2: do some really cool stuff with it, like maybe, let's
1:31:51
Speaker 2: say it you get to the conference championship game, right
1:31:54
Speaker 2: and the court is Big twelve branded, and then you're
1:31:57
Speaker 2: just like, who's the home team? Kansas is the home team?
1:32:00
Speaker 2: Suddenly it's the It has the look of the court
1:32:04
Speaker 2: from Allen Fieldhouse. Yeah, you could, Hey, this is the
1:32:07
Speaker 2: Allen field House court. Utah won't be the home team
1:32:11
Speaker 2: in this year's but here's the Huntsman Center, here's Marriott
1:32:15
Speaker 2: Center court. So I think it's neat. This is the
1:32:17
Speaker 2: first real life test of it being done with actual competition,
1:32:21
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm I'm happy for my guy. I'm
1:32:24
Speaker 2: proud of my guy. He's gonna get Like, so what
1:32:26
Speaker 2: happened was I'll give you even a more insight on this,
1:32:29
Speaker 2: speaking of the NBA All Star Game a couple of
1:32:32
Speaker 2: years ago. Right, So he's got the patent for the
1:32:34
Speaker 2: United States, right, and there's this German company that German
1:32:41
Speaker 2: patent and American patents. They don't like directly conflict cross whatever.
1:32:46
Speaker 2: So you could build this thing in Germany and use
1:32:49
Speaker 2: it in Germany without a patent violation in the United States,
1:32:53
Speaker 2: even if it's the exact copy.
1:32:55
Speaker 3: If it's the exact same they stole the plans and
1:32:58
Speaker 3: built their own thing, it's no violation as long as
1:33:01
Speaker 3: it stays in Germany.
1:33:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this company basically stole the plan made this thing.
1:33:08
Speaker 2: He had already been granted the patent, et cetera, et cetera.
1:33:11
Speaker 2: And then they were like, oh, look this is and
1:33:14
Speaker 2: I think it was I think it was the Orlando
1:33:16
Speaker 2: Magic has like one of these in their practice facility
1:33:19
Speaker 2: or something, and he was like, hey, guys.
1:33:26
Speaker 3: You you screwed up. You should not have put that
1:33:28
Speaker 3: in the United States. Like, this is my patent in
1:33:32
Speaker 3: the United States. You have to compensate me. You have
1:33:34
Speaker 3: to use mine.
1:33:35
Speaker 2: You like, you have to use mine, or you have
1:33:37
Speaker 2: to we can do a licensing deal, or I licensed
1:33:41
Speaker 2: this patent to you. You bought, you manufacture the floor,
1:33:43
Speaker 2: you install the floor. You think, but this is my technology,
1:33:46
Speaker 2: this is my invention. In the United States, and so
1:33:50
Speaker 2: like the legal ease of it, you can do a lot,
1:33:53
Speaker 2: lot lot He Actually I found out that you couldn't.
1:33:58
Speaker 2: He there, there's the thing. If a patent is violated,
1:34:04
Speaker 2: Actually every player that stepped onto that and used that
1:34:07
Speaker 2: floor was in violation of the patent. So technically you
1:34:12
Speaker 2: could if like Lebron practice on that floor if you
1:34:15
Speaker 2: wanted to, which of course nobody ever would in practicality
1:34:18
Speaker 2: picked that fight go after, you could sue Lebron for
1:34:21
Speaker 2: an illegal whatever use copyright infringement. He participated in it, right,
1:34:27
Speaker 2: So so at the end of the day, this is
1:34:29
Speaker 2: going to be like a thing where he you know,
1:34:31
Speaker 2: this company that's doing this asb glass floor, they got
1:34:37
Speaker 2: to write a check to my guy. How cool is that?
1:34:40
Speaker 2: Shout out to your former producer, Shout out to Brett
1:34:43
Speaker 2: your mark forgetting my guy paid. Thank you for adopting this.
1:34:46
Speaker 3: Now, let me ask you this because as cool as
1:34:49
Speaker 3: this is, I'm not sure. So did you did you
1:34:55
Speaker 3: hear break your mark or you're seeing social media? He
1:34:58
Speaker 3: like really teased this like I think it was last week,
1:35:01
Speaker 3: Like this is gonna be the greatest thing you've ever
1:35:03
Speaker 3: seen in college basketball. No other conference is doing what
1:35:06
Speaker 3: we're gonna do a big twelve. I'm not sure this
1:35:09
Speaker 3: lives up to that tease, but it is really cool.
1:35:12
Speaker 2: I will say this if you This is kind of
1:35:15
Speaker 2: like when Oregon became the first team that did the
1:35:19
Speaker 2: wild uniform thing, right, people were like, oh, wow, we
1:35:25
Speaker 2: haven't seen this much before, and then everybody started to
1:35:28
Speaker 2: copy it. Yeah, this is gonna be one of those things.
1:35:32
Speaker 2: Conference tournaments are gonna be this.
1:35:35
Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna copy this stuff or everyone's practice court, whether
1:35:39
Speaker 3: you need to or not, everyone is going to be like,
1:35:42
Speaker 3: well if they have one of those, I want one
1:35:44
Speaker 3: of those. It's a big It's literally a big, flashy,
1:35:47
Speaker 3: shiny thing that you can be like, Okay, look how
1:35:50
Speaker 3: cool this is and everyone and everyone will be like, yeah,
1:35:54
Speaker 3: we want to be cool too. So imagine you're Alex
1:35:57
Speaker 3: Jensen and you're trying to recruit somebody to come to
1:36:00
Speaker 3: the University of Utah.
1:36:02
Speaker 2: Right for years, I mean since the beginning of time,
1:36:06
Speaker 2: they've been doing the thing where they walk someone into
1:36:09
Speaker 2: the Huntsman Center and now starting for your University of
1:36:13
Speaker 2: Utah running utes November thirty three. James Peterson like they
1:36:18
Speaker 2: have the voice if the Riley cut that or whatever. Yes,
1:36:21
Speaker 2: you play it over the loudspeed I sign Alex Chens right,
1:36:24
Speaker 2: they've been doing that forever. Now imagine you could walk
1:36:29
Speaker 2: this guy into your practice facility or out onto the
1:36:31
Speaker 2: Huntsman floor. Face is on the court and it's you
1:36:34
Speaker 2: like you're watching on the floor yourself running up and
1:36:38
Speaker 2: down in a Utah uniform. Your face is there, and.
1:36:42
Speaker 3: It's like they made some AI video of a of
1:36:45
Speaker 3: a national championship.
1:36:46
Speaker 2: I mean, come at the buzzer of me. Yeah, like
1:36:50
Speaker 2: you tell you? Are you telling me that BYU is
1:36:52
Speaker 2: not gonna purchase one of these things as soon as
1:36:54
Speaker 2: they see it played on. Yeah, that's what's gonna happen.
1:36:59
Speaker 2: That's gonna happen. So I think it's it's different. It's interesting.
1:37:04
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, the concern has been, well,
1:37:08
Speaker 2: what happens if you know, two d and eighty pounds
1:37:12
Speaker 2: seven footer falls onto this court. Is he going to
1:37:16
Speaker 2: crack the led tiles? Is he gonna like destroy this thing?
1:37:19
Speaker 2: And they if there's a big crack that happens, since
1:37:23
Speaker 2: it's glass, is it gonna cut up his face? But
1:37:26
Speaker 2: they've got I think it's really like a polymer that
1:37:29
Speaker 2: goes over the top in any case, They've they tested
1:37:33
Speaker 2: this over and over and over again to where the
1:37:34
Speaker 2: Big Twelve is now saying, all right, this is competition
1:37:37
Speaker 2: worthy and we're gonna be the first ones. A real
1:37:40
Speaker 2: competitive basketball game has not been played on this thing,
1:37:45
Speaker 2: not a real one.
1:37:46
Speaker 3: They've been exhibition games, they've been. The highest profile again
1:37:49
Speaker 3: has been the NBA all start geme. Yeah, they've been
1:37:51
Speaker 3: Harlem globe trotter situations. They've been doing liminary stuff, that
1:37:54
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. This is the first time and the
1:37:57
Speaker 3: Big twelves doing it now.
1:37:58
Speaker 2: Whether you end up loving it or not, and you
1:38:02
Speaker 2: will find bigger fans of Brett your Mark out there
1:38:04
Speaker 2: than me. But I do give the guy credit for
1:38:09
Speaker 2: thinking outside of the box and trying to figure out
1:38:11
Speaker 2: ways and the how can this help the Big twelve
1:38:16
Speaker 2: from a meaningful standpoint. Well, if a brand is out
1:38:19
Speaker 2: there and Sprite is just like I want, I want
1:38:24
Speaker 2: that to be my court. Let's make let's make the
1:38:27
Speaker 2: entire court green. Yeah, the Sprite logo all over it.
1:38:31
Speaker 2: I want.
1:38:31
Speaker 3: I want this right and starry, I think because the
1:38:35
Speaker 3: NBA has got a big cob.
1:38:38
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, brands.
1:38:41
Speaker 3: Brands can really engage with something like this in a
1:38:43
Speaker 3: way that hopefully we'll bring more money in to the
1:38:46
Speaker 3: Big twelve is the court since they got the partnership
1:38:50
Speaker 3: with the WWE's it's just going to be a big
1:38:52
Speaker 3: WWE Championship belt.
1:38:53
Speaker 2: I mean it could be. That's the thing. The thing,
1:38:55
Speaker 2: the thing that's beautiful about it is it could be
1:38:57
Speaker 2: that one second, and then it could be the Big
1:39:00
Speaker 2: twelve Championship Court the very next second, and then it
1:39:03
Speaker 2: could be a preview for the new Jurassic Park eight
1:39:06
Speaker 2: the very next second. Like that's why this thing could
1:39:09
Speaker 2: be really neat from an advertising in arena experience kind
1:39:14
Speaker 2: of perspective.
1:39:14
Speaker 3: It's not unlike the sphere, but it's inside, right, How
1:39:18
Speaker 3: they change the sphere every day or every few hours
1:39:21
Speaker 3: to something crazy cool on the outside, but it's inside. Yeah,
1:39:27
Speaker 3: that's kind of neat. It's it's gonna be cool looking
1:39:31
Speaker 3: for sure. I'm curious to see what it looks like.
1:39:35
Speaker 3: And that's coming up. A month from now is when
1:39:39
Speaker 3: the men's tournament starts. Women's tournament about three and a
1:39:43
Speaker 3: half weeks away, so we'll see that soon.
1:39:46
Speaker 2: You ever been to a Chicago Bears game. No, you've
1:39:50
Speaker 2: been to Chicago. I have not been to Chicago. Okay,
1:39:52
Speaker 2: it's a cool city. Yeah, I'd love to go, and
1:39:54
Speaker 2: it'd be one of those things where I'm like, hey,
1:39:56
Speaker 2: go to Chicago in the fall, go to a Bears game.
1:40:00
Speaker 2: If the Cubs are in the playoffs, go check out
1:40:02
Speaker 2: a Cubs game at Wrigley. Or if you don't want
1:40:05
Speaker 2: to go in the fall and go to a Bears game,
1:40:07
Speaker 2: definitely go to Now If I told you, hey, James,
1:40:11
Speaker 2: you want to go to a Bears game, and you're like, yeah,
1:40:13
Speaker 2: we're all right, I'm buying you a plane ticket, I'm
1:40:16
Speaker 2: sending you a Bears game, you'd be like, cool, I've
1:40:18
Speaker 2: ever been. And I said, here's the thing. I'm actually
1:40:23
Speaker 2: sending you to Des Moines, Iowa.
1:40:26
Speaker 3: Which is, well, that's close to Chicago at least, right
1:40:28
Speaker 3: I could just not Oh.
1:40:31
Speaker 2: So Iowa, the state of Iowa right now, the state
1:40:36
Speaker 2: of Indiana also.
1:40:37
Speaker 3: At least those places border Illinois. I guess they are.
1:40:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're If you're looking at a map and the
1:40:43
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears in Salt Lake City, Indiana's you're the right
1:40:46
Speaker 2: of Illinois and Iowa's to the left. Of Illinois, like
1:40:50
Speaker 2: Illinois is sandwiched between these two things, right, Iowa and
1:40:56
Speaker 2: Indiana are both trying to offer a great sieve tax
1:41:00
Speaker 2: incentives and arena incentives to lord the Chicago Bears now
1:41:05
Speaker 2: to Iowa or to Indiana because they're moving out of
1:41:10
Speaker 2: Soldier Field, which is for me a bummer, because the
1:41:15
Speaker 2: placement of Soldier Field is perfect on the shores of
1:41:18
Speaker 2: Lake Michigan, backdrop of the Chicago skyline right there. It
1:41:22
Speaker 2: is next door to the Field Museum. I mean, it
1:41:26
Speaker 2: is amazing. It's the location. But like every other NFL franchise,
1:41:33
Speaker 2: like every other franchise in every league, they're just like, no,
1:41:36
Speaker 2: we need something bigger, newer, better, brighter, and Iowa, of
1:41:39
Speaker 2: all places, just like we can give you that. Let's
1:41:43
Speaker 2: we will let you build your stadium on real estate
1:41:46
Speaker 2: that our state will give you for free. And they
1:41:50
Speaker 2: say part of their pitches, this is heaven. That for
1:41:56
Speaker 2: those of you who are not into James's obscure movie reference,
1:42:00
Speaker 2: he's talking about Field of Dreams. Is this heaven?
1:42:04
Speaker 3: Yes, it's I don't why don't you move the braves
1:42:07
Speaker 3: or why don't you use the braves? Why don't use
1:42:08
Speaker 3: move the Bears here move the Atlanta Braves too.
1:42:11
Speaker 2: Whatever. A bill in the Iowa State Senate was introduced
1:42:15
Speaker 2: Tuesday seeking an expansion of economic Growth Attraction program with
1:42:20
Speaker 2: a goal of luring an NFL franchise to the state,
1:42:23
Speaker 2: specifically the Chicago Bears. This is such a This is
1:42:28
Speaker 2: Carrie Groenhagen, which is a perfect name for anyone from
1:42:34
Speaker 2: the state of Iowa. While Illinois and Indiana squabble over
1:42:37
Speaker 2: this issue, we're ready to get off the sidelines and
1:42:39
Speaker 2: into the game. Off the sidelines and into the game,
1:42:42
Speaker 2: crumble cookies from the top rope. Let's go. I can't
1:42:47
Speaker 2: believe they used that line. Oh, bringing an NFL team
1:42:53
Speaker 2: to Iowa to attract jobs, tourism, and fans to our state.
1:42:56
Speaker 2: Give us the opportunity to showcase what Iowa really has
1:42:59
Speaker 2: to offer. Iowans dedicated to college sports teams, and we're
1:43:03
Speaker 2: ready to attract professional team to our great state. We
1:43:05
Speaker 2: need we need to get on the phone and talk
1:43:08
Speaker 2: to some people oc as soon as we can to
1:43:10
Speaker 2: find out if Cookie Man is also from Iowa and
1:43:13
Speaker 2: if if that's if there's some kind of connection there,
1:43:16
Speaker 2: because that's that's a direct quote. That'd be amazing, so
1:43:25
Speaker 2: this the DP show.
1:43:27
Speaker 3: They were talking about this Dan Patrick show this morning
1:43:30
Speaker 3: before us. They they were saying, hey, remember and I
1:43:34
Speaker 3: didn't know this. I was a little too young, not
1:43:37
Speaker 3: much of an NFL fan yet. But remember before they
1:43:41
Speaker 3: built Jillette Stadium in Foxboro, there was there was rumors
1:43:45
Speaker 3: that the Patriots were going to move to Hartford, Connecticut.
1:43:49
Speaker 3: They were talking because they they're based in Connecticut. They're
1:43:52
Speaker 3: talking about that, remember that, And DP was like, I
1:43:55
Speaker 3: knew they were never going there, but so many people
1:43:57
Speaker 3: were like, they're they're going there anyway, reminded him of that.
1:44:02
Speaker 2: So now the funny thing is, right, where where do
1:44:06
Speaker 2: you put a stadium, an NFL stadium in Iowa? If
1:44:10
Speaker 2: you're going now, you could go Iowa City. Then you
1:44:14
Speaker 2: say it was des Moines? Is what? You could go
1:44:16
Speaker 2: des Moines? That would make the most sense. Des Moines
1:44:18
Speaker 2: is the largest city moon. All these senators are getting
1:44:24
Speaker 2: way at there's a man from Bettendorf. Now, I most
1:44:28
Speaker 2: people that listen to our show probably have no idea
1:44:31
Speaker 2: what specifically eastern Iowa is. Like, I can tell you
1:44:35
Speaker 2: it is field of dreams, it is cornfields, it is farmland.
1:44:39
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, it's picturesque, it's quaint. It's lovely space for
1:44:43
Speaker 2: a stadium, but it is. It's literally cornfields in every direction,
1:44:48
Speaker 2: gentle rolling hills. In a lot of cases, sometimes there's
1:44:51
Speaker 2: a limestone bluff that you can see. Bettendorf, Iowa is
1:44:55
Speaker 2: part of the quad Cities that's right on the Mississippi River.
1:44:59
Speaker 2: This this is a senator's like, hey, Bettendorf is perfect.
1:45:03
Speaker 2: You can drive people from Wisconsin's driving distance from Chicago,
1:45:07
Speaker 2: Land from Saint Louis, from Des Moines, from Madison, Wisconsin,
1:45:12
Speaker 2: and it is it's like less than two hours from
1:45:14
Speaker 2: each of those places. It is the equivalent this particular
1:45:19
Speaker 2: of putting an NFL stadium in Cedar City, Utah. Bettendorf
1:45:24
Speaker 2: is like the the biggest thing in Bettendorf is a
1:45:28
Speaker 2: dog food plant. I think ALPO's headquarters are there. The
1:45:31
Speaker 2: whole town smells like it. It's the wildest thing Iowa
1:45:36
Speaker 2: and I've spent my grandparents. Both my parents are from Dubuque, Iowa,
1:45:41
Speaker 2: which is like forty five minutes away from what he's
1:45:44
Speaker 2: talking about here. Bettendorf. It's right on the borders, right
1:45:47
Speaker 2: on the river. Right you fly to Chicago, you drive
1:45:51
Speaker 2: three hours you're in my parents' hometown or my grandpa,
1:45:54
Speaker 2: my grandma still lives there, a lot of my aunts
1:45:56
Speaker 2: and uncle's cousins, et cetera. These people do not want
1:46:00
Speaker 2: an NFL team like.
1:46:01
Speaker 3: They wanted to. They want it. They want Heaven to
1:46:04
Speaker 3: stay the same.
1:46:05
Speaker 2: They already they already love the Bears, and they drive
1:46:08
Speaker 2: to Chicago for the Bears and then they come back
1:46:11
Speaker 2: to their little farm community because.
1:46:13
Speaker 3: That's what they want anyway. Heoc counterpoint, have the Bears
1:46:19
Speaker 3: tried to tell.
1:46:19
Speaker 2: Them people will come if you build it. If you
1:46:24
Speaker 2: build it, they will come.
1:46:27
Speaker 3: Now the only thing this is not to be taken
1:46:31
Speaker 3: all that seriously, be like, yeah, we don't want that
1:46:33
Speaker 3: Chicago Bears.
1:46:34
Speaker 2: We don't want people to count. But we know this,
1:46:38
Speaker 2: the greed of billionaires is undefeated. So if you could
1:46:41
Speaker 2: offer somebody free real estate for a stadium, if you
1:46:44
Speaker 2: can offer someone tax incentives, tax money to help build
1:46:48
Speaker 2: a stadium, where in Chicago there's a lot more political
1:46:52
Speaker 2: crap you have to get through it, and they're not
1:46:54
Speaker 2: being very successful lobbying the state legislature for It's kind
1:46:58
Speaker 2: of like it's kind of like how Portland wanted a
1:47:01
Speaker 2: baseball team for ten years and Utah comes in and
1:47:05
Speaker 2: it's just like, no, we're going to take that. We actually, oh,
1:47:07
Speaker 2: look at this, we already signed legislation, we already have approvals,
1:47:11
Speaker 2: we done, we have we have a family that's willing
1:47:14
Speaker 2: to give a bunch of money, We've got a location
1:47:17
Speaker 2: for it, and Portland is just like we can't even
1:47:19
Speaker 2: decide if we want to call it baseball. We have
1:47:22
Speaker 2: to give it a more politically correct name, you know
1:47:24
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it's it's that So Iowa, if
1:47:27
Speaker 2: Iowa can get something, they're not going to get it
1:47:30
Speaker 2: across the finish line. But if they can get it
1:47:32
Speaker 2: done is close to done to where there's a little
1:47:35
Speaker 2: flirtation going on here. If Iowa can get an NFL franchise,
1:47:39
Speaker 2: you know who deserves one, Salt Lake City, Baby, let's go.
1:47:41
Speaker 2: I already got the stadium. Let's go. We do which
1:47:45
Speaker 2: I went? Why not just put it at Rice Cycles?
1:47:47
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's okay, all right, that's James's idea, not mine. Anyway,
1:47:52
Speaker 2: we're way over time. They don't play games on Sunday
1:47:55
Speaker 2: at Rice Cycles. It work out just fine. Well, I
1:47:59
Speaker 2: don't the NFL would sign off on a fifty whatever,
1:48:02
Speaker 2: one thousand seat capacity.
1:48:04
Speaker 3: Okay, NFL owner, big shot, pay for more seats, then
1:48:08
Speaker 3: let's go.
1:48:09
Speaker 2: You could make the north end zone a lot taller. Yeah,
1:48:13
Speaker 2: all right, James, maybe you're onto something. This is heaven.
1:48:17
Speaker 2: We gotta double up here. We're gonna come back. We're
1:48:19
Speaker 2: gonna do a little uh between the pipes with Adrian
1:48:22
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Speaker 2: our Broadway studios. Welcome back, sir. How are you? I'm great, Sean,
1:49:06
Speaker 2: How are you man? I'm doing all right? Are you
1:49:08
Speaker 2: comfortable in transitioning for a couple of weeks from the
1:49:11
Speaker 2: role of Utah Mammoth insider to Olympic Hockey and of
1:49:16
Speaker 2: course Nordic skiing insider. All over it, Okay, all over it.
1:49:20
Speaker 7: I've got my cross country skiing report right here in
1:49:24
Speaker 7: my notes app and brushed up on on the Olympic stuff.
1:49:28
Speaker 7: Just had a game today Slovakia beat Finland for one
1:49:31
Speaker 7: first upset. In the first game had a couple of
1:49:35
Speaker 7: players who were in training camp with the Utah Hockey
1:49:39
Speaker 7: Club last year, Miilos Kalaman and Patrick Koach on that Slovakia.
1:49:43
Speaker 2: On the Slovakia squad and Finland. Finland coming into this
1:49:47
Speaker 2: tournament was kind of, you know, seen as a upper
1:49:50
Speaker 2: tier team, right, So how big of an upset is this?
1:49:53
Speaker 7: Gosh, Finland was picked forth in terms of you know,
1:49:59
Speaker 7: best chances to in the gold medal, behind Canada, the US, Sweden,
1:50:04
Speaker 7: and ahead of.
1:50:06
Speaker 2: Ahead of check.
1:50:07
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Slovakia wasn't in the other receiving votes category
1:50:13
Speaker 7: there and then they go in and win by account
1:50:16
Speaker 7: of four to one. It was a bizarre game. Shots
1:50:20
Speaker 7: in the contest were heavily favoring Finland. But you know
1:50:24
Speaker 7: how it is. Sometimes bucks are going in for you
1:50:27
Speaker 7: all right, Before we get to all of the Olympic stuff.
1:50:31
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about this Utah Mammoth squad
1:50:33
Speaker 2: and kind of where they're at right now on the break. Obviously,
1:50:36
Speaker 2: what only four or five players are active during the
1:50:39
Speaker 2: Olympic break representing their nations. We'll get to that as well.
1:50:43
Speaker 2: But this team is I think, playing itself into a
1:50:49
Speaker 2: nice little rhythm. And maybe this break does not do
1:50:53
Speaker 2: the Utah Mammoth a huge amount of favors right now
1:50:57
Speaker 2: because of the kind of hockey they were playing. Now
1:51:00
Speaker 2: you will know better than I whether the rest is
1:51:02
Speaker 2: going to be a good thing or the interruption of
1:51:05
Speaker 2: that momentum could end up being a problematic. But this
1:51:08
Speaker 2: is a squad that you sent us some notes twelve
1:51:13
Speaker 2: five and two from Christmas to the Olympic break, So
1:51:15
Speaker 2: playing some good hockey right now. Yeah.
1:51:17
Speaker 7: We've got one case study to look at, which is
1:51:21
Speaker 7: last year the four Nations break, which was about two weeks.
1:51:26
Speaker 2: This year we have a full three weeks.
1:51:28
Speaker 7: Utah came out of the four Nations break last year
1:51:32
Speaker 7: pretty good. They went fourteen eight and four the rest
1:51:35
Speaker 7: of the way that they lost their first game to
1:51:38
Speaker 7: LA That's the big difference this year is last year,
1:51:41
Speaker 7: you just started on the road. This year, they're back
1:51:43
Speaker 7: at home with the Avs two weeks from tonight. That
1:51:47
Speaker 7: they were able to come out and get going, kind
1:51:50
Speaker 7: of kind of pick up where they left off. They
1:51:52
Speaker 7: were playing pretty good going into that Four Nations break.
1:51:56
Speaker 7: They'd won three of their last four and had a
1:51:59
Speaker 7: really strip before that. So that's I guess what we'll
1:52:04
Speaker 7: base it on. But coming back out of the Olympic break,
1:52:07
Speaker 7: Logan Cooley could be back if not that that first game,
1:52:11
Speaker 7: that that first week, expecting him back if all goes well.
1:52:15
Speaker 7: Alexander Kerfoot, your your veteran presidence of over six hundred games,
1:52:20
Speaker 7: who's just a great utility guy to do everything and
1:52:23
Speaker 7: really help. Kind of like a guy you'd acquire at
1:52:27
Speaker 7: the trade deadline to be part of a playoff run.
1:52:29
Speaker 7: You're gonna be getting him back from injury, and he's
1:52:31
Speaker 7: been hurt twice this year. He's only played nine games,
1:52:33
Speaker 7: which is out of character. Last year he had a
1:52:37
Speaker 7: stretch of four hundred plus straight games played before an
1:52:41
Speaker 7: illness in April kept him out of the first game
1:52:44
Speaker 7: of the year. So a guy you expect to be
1:52:46
Speaker 7: back and be in your lineup. So they were a
1:52:49
Speaker 7: good spot four points above that playoff line, which is
1:52:52
Speaker 7: essentially five because they've got the tiebreaker, which is regulation
1:52:56
Speaker 7: wins above the LA Kings.
1:52:59
Speaker 2: When you get Logan Cooley back, I mean, what's a
1:53:02
Speaker 2: realistic expectation for how long it takes him to reintegrate
1:53:06
Speaker 2: and start feeling like he's where he was before the injury.
1:53:12
Speaker 7: This stretch where the Mammoth essentially going to have another
1:53:18
Speaker 7: training camp because they're going to start practicing again early
1:53:22
Speaker 7: next week with of course the four Olympic guys still there,
1:53:26
Speaker 7: but they're going to have essentially, you know, eight days
1:53:32
Speaker 7: before they play again of a mini training camp, and
1:53:35
Speaker 7: Logan Cooley was skating with the team as they went
1:53:40
Speaker 7: into break and practicing, so that was a great sign.
1:53:44
Speaker 7: So if he can be part of some regular practices
1:53:48
Speaker 7: for a week, that'll definitely help the transition of him
1:53:52
Speaker 7: coming back versus just dropping him right into the middle
1:53:56
Speaker 7: of a home stand against Colorado, So that practice time
1:54:01
Speaker 7: will definitely be big. He's missed almost half of the
1:54:04
Speaker 7: season so far for the Mammoth, twenty eight straight games.
1:54:08
Speaker 7: He's he's been out of the lineup over two months.
1:54:11
Speaker 2: So.
1:54:13
Speaker 7: It was it was good to see him practicing in
1:54:17
Speaker 7: you know, in regular sessions last week. But but I
1:54:20
Speaker 7: think that mini training camp will be a big, big
1:54:22
Speaker 7: part of getting him back into the swing of it
1:54:25
Speaker 7: and kind of returning maybe at more of a regular
1:54:27
Speaker 7: pace with the team who has not going to be
1:54:30
Speaker 7: having played for for three weeks either when they return
1:54:33
Speaker 7: in a couple of weeks against the abs of the
1:54:35
Speaker 7: eldest center.
1:54:37
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Speaker 2: talked about this last week the the benefit slash risk
1:54:57
Speaker 2: of having a guy playing a Olympic hockey. Everyone has
1:55:01
Speaker 2: to be given the opportunity to represent their country. I
1:55:05
Speaker 2: don't know how much the plan is early to use
1:55:08
Speaker 2: Clayton Keller. I would hate to see him be there
1:55:12
Speaker 2: in Milan, Courtina and not actually be playing and contributing
1:55:16
Speaker 2: to this team. But with him specifically as the lone
1:55:20
Speaker 2: member of Team usay, how much use is he gonna get?
1:55:23
Speaker 2: How much where is he going to be putting on
1:55:25
Speaker 2: the tires during this Olympic break.
1:55:27
Speaker 7: Well, as you said, it looks like he's going to
1:55:31
Speaker 7: be the odd man out for Team USA when they
1:55:35
Speaker 7: open up tomorrow against Latvia. They played Denmark on Saturday, Right,
1:55:39
Speaker 7: They're going to be heavily favored in both of those games.
1:55:42
Speaker 7: So do we see him kinda put the guys in
1:55:47
Speaker 7: that that didn't play on Thursday when they play on
1:55:52
Speaker 7: Saturday against Denmark, could see that and see if there's
1:55:56
Speaker 7: some some things they like better than they saw on
1:55:59
Speaker 7: the the first game. And then the big one with
1:56:01
Speaker 7: with Germany on Sunday, so to tune ups. And then
1:56:05
Speaker 7: you got jj Paturricolely on dry Sidle, Tim Stewetsill of
1:56:08
Speaker 7: Ottawa coming up on Sunday, so we'll see.
1:56:11
Speaker 2: What it is. Uh.
1:56:13
Speaker 7: He wasn't part of the four Nations based off team
1:56:16
Speaker 7: last year, right, so that's as they assembled their lineup.
1:56:20
Speaker 7: Probably something they're they're keeping into account, like keeping the
1:56:23
Speaker 7: same guys that were there in the the opening lineups.
1:56:26
Speaker 7: But you'll have the the pool play and then if
1:56:29
Speaker 7: they're in the top four, they won't have to play
1:56:33
Speaker 7: an elimination game and then you go into an a
1:56:36
Speaker 7: team tournament. So uh, I was thinking he would probably
1:56:42
Speaker 7: be ready to go for the first game, but it's
1:56:45
Speaker 7: it's not looking like he's gonna be in the lineup.
1:56:48
Speaker 7: All right, let's uh, let's talk about the rest of
1:56:50
Speaker 7: the lineup for Latvia and beyond. But uh, you know,
1:56:54
Speaker 7: this is a team now, it's it's been built maybe
1:56:58
Speaker 7: to beat Canada. It's kind of a you know, top
1:57:00
Speaker 7: of the podium or bust and easier said than done.
1:57:03
Speaker 7: When we're talking about.
1:57:04
Speaker 2: The Canadians, who are i mean possessed of what at
1:57:12
Speaker 2: least five of the best players in the NHL right
1:57:14
Speaker 2: now on that roster. So uh, we'll start with Lafa, though,
1:57:19
Speaker 2: how do you make sure you start this tournament off right?
1:57:22
Speaker 2: You don't go the way of Finland and let to
1:57:26
Speaker 2: an upset happen, et cetera. I don't think they really
1:57:31
Speaker 2: have to worry about it. Is that? Is that an
1:57:33
Speaker 2: acceptable answer? I mean, it's dismissive of the Latvians, and
1:57:37
Speaker 2: all of our Latvian listeners are very upset right now.
1:57:42
Speaker 7: Gosh, they've all been working for this for for the
1:57:48
Speaker 7: last year and years to be at the Olympics. You
1:57:53
Speaker 7: gotta figure like kind of that that adrenaline is kind
1:57:56
Speaker 7: of going to be like an opening night, feel juice
1:58:01
Speaker 7: in the in the building. They they feel energy, I think.
1:58:07
Speaker 7: I think against Latvian Denmark they're they're fine. Against Germany,
1:58:12
Speaker 7: that'll be a fun game to see on UH on Sunday.
1:58:16
Speaker 7: Team USA, you know they built they reconstructed one year
1:58:23
Speaker 7: later after losing to Team Canada and in overtime with
1:58:26
Speaker 7: the four nations face off two to combat the Canadians. See,
1:58:31
Speaker 7: they left off Jason Robertson, who's the top us board
1:58:35
Speaker 7: score in in the NHL. He's he's tenth in scoring,
1:58:38
Speaker 7: not not on the roster. Cole Kawfield from Montreal, another
1:58:42
Speaker 7: pure goal scorer USA boy that that's not on the roster.
1:58:47
Speaker 7: So they they built their team to to be strong,
1:58:50
Speaker 7: you know, third line, fourth line for Kelery figure he's
1:58:54
Speaker 7: a top six guy, and and defensively too, to combat
1:59:00
Speaker 7: the Canadians goaltending. I think they they've got the the advantage,
1:59:05
Speaker 7: so uh.
1:59:07
Speaker 2: I think they feel good.
1:59:09
Speaker 7: But those those first two games to me are like,
1:59:13
Speaker 7: if you want to equate it to something that we
1:59:16
Speaker 7: see is a college basketball preseason game, just to be honest,
1:59:20
Speaker 7: all right, fair enough against you know an NAI team
1:59:24
Speaker 7: or a bunch of all stars from who knows what?
1:59:27
Speaker 2: How could do you expect the lines to be over
1:59:31
Speaker 2: the the kind of pool play games in this tournament?
1:59:35
Speaker 2: Are they gonna experiment a lot? Or should we see
1:59:38
Speaker 2: what we most of us predict.
1:59:41
Speaker 7: I think in the first two games you might see
1:59:43
Speaker 7: some mixing and matching, and then from that point on,
1:59:46
Speaker 7: you're you're going with the lineup to to win with
1:59:49
Speaker 7: and it's to win gold, to get there in the
1:59:53
Speaker 7: easiest possible path. And you know, everybody's one team, whether
2:00:00
Speaker 7: there in the top six, not in the lineup, et cetera.
2:00:06
Speaker 2: So it's it's a different spot.
2:00:08
Speaker 7: For for some some guys like Clayton Keller who are
2:00:12
Speaker 7: used to captaining their team, captaining Team USA at the
2:00:15
Speaker 7: World Championships, to to not.
2:00:17
Speaker 2: Be in the lineup.
2:00:19
Speaker 7: But you never know if he's playing that that's Saturday
2:00:22
Speaker 7: there against uh DENMARKI see if he can win a spot.
2:00:27
Speaker 2: Who do you trust more? Hellabucker Ottinger right now? Do
2:00:31
Speaker 2: you know what?
2:00:32
Speaker 7: Jeremy Swayman has the best numbers. That's the funny part
2:00:35
Speaker 7: of it. The Boston goalie Hellibuck hasn't had a great year.
2:00:40
Speaker 7: His analytics are good. Still his goal saved above expected.
2:00:46
Speaker 7: Ottinger is on a better team with Dallas. So in
2:00:49
Speaker 7: terms of international experience, it's Hellibuck Ottinger swaymen, yeah, But
2:00:56
Speaker 7: in terms of this season it's it's the.
2:01:00
Speaker 2: Way means Hellibu.
2:01:04
Speaker 7: Hellibuk did have his own net at practice yesterday, right
2:01:09
Speaker 7: the other two goalies we were rotating, and Mike Sullivan,
2:01:12
Speaker 7: the head coach for TMOSA, said, read into it what
2:01:16
Speaker 7: you will with kind of a tongue in cheek.
2:01:19
Speaker 2: Look.
2:01:20
Speaker 7: So I think that kind of answered that question as is,
2:01:23
Speaker 7: you can't get anything by uh people to watch hockey
2:01:27
Speaker 7: practices every day, can Yon unless your team Canada and
2:01:30
Speaker 7: you close your practice yesterday they did, but it.
2:01:34
Speaker 2: Was Canada closed their practice yesterday. They did.
2:01:36
Speaker 7: It wasn't open to the media, it was It was
2:01:38
Speaker 7: kind of thought to be as kind of a copycat thing.
2:01:42
Speaker 7: Some other teams did it, one team thought another team
2:01:44
Speaker 7: might be watching, and then Canada just just did it.
2:01:50
Speaker 7: Canada is also not staying in the Olympic village. They're
2:01:53
Speaker 7: staying in a hotel. TMOSA is staying in the Olympic
2:01:58
Speaker 7: Village because Matthew Chuck said, we want we want the
2:02:01
Speaker 7: experience well, staying staying in the village.
2:02:05
Speaker 2: First of all, that's the right thing to do, have
2:02:08
Speaker 2: the Olympic experience. Second of all, a lot of young
2:02:11
Speaker 2: guys still on this on these Olympic hockey teams. The
2:02:16
Speaker 2: younger you are, the more likely that you're single. And
2:02:18
Speaker 2: if you're single, you should be staying in the Olympic village.
2:02:21
Speaker 2: If any of the stories we've heard about the Olympic
2:02:23
Speaker 2: village is true, sure, like, let those guys have the
2:02:26
Speaker 2: full experience. So I love that Team USA is staying
2:02:29
Speaker 2: in the Olympic Village and and doing it that way.
2:02:32
Speaker 2: I also saw Nathan McKinnon was asked about like, you know,
2:02:36
Speaker 2: enjoying the experience and he's on the oppostin and he's like,
2:02:39
Speaker 2: he said, he's not here to enjoy himself. He wants
2:02:43
Speaker 2: to win and he'll try to enjoy himself on the
2:02:46
Speaker 2: way to that. Canada, it feels like they put a
2:02:49
Speaker 2: lot of pressure on themselves.
2:02:51
Speaker 7: We've talked about it before, like the teams in Vancouver
2:02:55
Speaker 7: and Toronto and even Edmonton. You know, there's there's there's
2:03:00
Speaker 7: a microscope on them, and same thing with you know,
2:03:05
Speaker 7: Team Canada. You can magnify it. It's an entire country.
2:03:09
Speaker 7: Sidney Crosby. I liked his verbiage of what they're there
2:03:15
Speaker 7: to do and he said, it's our responsibility for Canada
2:03:18
Speaker 7: we win to win the gold.
2:03:21
Speaker 2: But yeah, they I mean again.
2:03:24
Speaker 7: O see you go back to a Canadian team not
2:03:26
Speaker 7: having won a Stanley Cup championship in thirty years. That's
2:03:29
Speaker 7: what we're talking about, right, the microscope, the pressure. The
2:03:34
Speaker 7: Canadians with NHL players at the Olympics have won all
2:03:39
Speaker 7: three times going back to ninety eight.
2:03:45
Speaker 2: Adrian Jenny for a couple more minutes here on the
2:03:47
Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show Between the Pipes, where we talk all
2:03:51
Speaker 2: things hockey. As players are over there focusing on the competition,
2:03:57
Speaker 2: GMS team presidents, personnel managers are preparing I imagine their
2:04:04
Speaker 2: deck of desires for this next month or so trade deadline.
2:04:09
Speaker 2: Uh there's I don't know, probably fast and furious after
2:04:12
Speaker 2: the Olympic break. But what role will the Utah Mammoth
2:04:16
Speaker 2: play before the March sixth trade deadline? I think you
2:04:20
Speaker 2: will hear Utah mentioned in.
2:04:26
Speaker 7: Everything that you hear as a team taking a look,
2:04:31
Speaker 7: checking it out, and and we've seen it already this
2:04:35
Speaker 7: year there's been deals that you've heard Utah mentioned in
2:04:40
Speaker 7: that you haven't heard Utah mentioned in that. You know,
2:04:45
Speaker 7: Bill Armstrong was just kind of checking out, saying, is
2:04:50
Speaker 7: this is this an option? Okay, we're not We're not
2:04:56
Speaker 7: willing to to go to that level of an asking price.
2:05:01
Speaker 7: Okay for this asking price? Is this possible? So I
2:05:06
Speaker 7: think you'll hear Utah mentioned in just about everything. But
2:05:11
Speaker 7: will they find something that strikes a chord to make
2:05:16
Speaker 7: a deal on and for me, for the Mammoth to
2:05:20
Speaker 7: make a deal in terms of what they're giving up.
2:05:25
Speaker 7: If they're going to give up prospects, a first round
2:05:29
Speaker 7: pick or a second round pick, it's going to be
2:05:31
Speaker 7: a player returning who has term on his contract, so
2:05:36
Speaker 7: as multi years left after this season. If it's a rental,
2:05:42
Speaker 7: it's probably a player coming back. Fourth, fifth, sixth round,
2:05:48
Speaker 7: seventh round pick is what Utah is giving up, possibly
2:05:52
Speaker 7: a third. I think that's that's what they look at.
2:05:55
Speaker 7: If they're gonna invest in prospects or high round draft picks,
2:06:00
Speaker 7: it's it's gonna be an impact player who comes here
2:06:03
Speaker 7: with term left on their deal, which is multi multi
2:06:07
Speaker 7: years left, so they can come in and just become
2:06:11
Speaker 7: a part of the core because the team, as we've said,
2:06:14
Speaker 7: not in the championship window yet. So if they're going
2:06:17
Speaker 7: to give something up, they want somebody to come in
2:06:18
Speaker 7: and be a part of that team, to to grow with,
2:06:21
Speaker 7: be part of the window. Like JJ Pitterk who came
2:06:24
Speaker 7: in on the trade sent a five year extension, Mikhail
2:06:26
Speaker 7: Sergachev who came over before before season number one, who
2:06:30
Speaker 7: had seven years of an eight year contract left on it.
2:06:33
Speaker 7: But if it's a rental, right, you could I could
2:06:37
Speaker 7: see you tab giving up a fourth, fifth, six round
2:06:39
Speaker 7: pick for a player to come help help the team
2:06:41
Speaker 7: push in the playoffs, get their X by the by
2:06:45
Speaker 7: their name and the standings, and you know you're you
2:06:48
Speaker 7: got enough that you're not going to feel too bad
2:06:50
Speaker 7: about giving up that and having a having a guy
2:06:53
Speaker 7: take off after a year if he's not part of
2:06:55
Speaker 7: the long term plan.
2:06:56
Speaker 2: Uh. Tanking has become another big conversation because of how
2:07:01
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz are doing things right now, and the
2:07:04
Speaker 2: media response to that has been bizarre in my opinion, UH,
2:07:08
Speaker 2: is there an NHL version of tanking? Gosh?
2:07:14
Speaker 7: I I think you see teams like Vancouver get to
2:07:21
Speaker 7: this point in the year, you know, they traded Quinn Hughes.
2:07:25
Speaker 7: They've got injuries, and they're in sell mode trying to
2:07:30
Speaker 7: pick up you know, assets for the future if they
2:07:33
Speaker 7: are sure. Right, I can't speak for the Vancouver Canucks
2:07:36
Speaker 7: in their way of doing business. I'll just say that, right,
2:07:39
Speaker 7: but that would be the typical thought, right if you
2:07:42
Speaker 7: trade a big, big time player for the second straight year.
2:07:46
Speaker 7: Last year they traded JT. Miller for you know, picks
2:07:50
Speaker 7: and prospects and guys to be part of the part
2:07:54
Speaker 7: of the core. So that's what I think you see
2:07:56
Speaker 7: in the NHL as teams get to this point the
2:07:58
Speaker 7: here is like, Okay, let's see what we can get
2:08:02
Speaker 7: out of this guy. He's contract expires in the next
2:08:06
Speaker 7: year or two. He's not part of our plans. We
2:08:10
Speaker 7: need to go young. Let's let's go the route that
2:08:13
Speaker 7: San Jose Anaheim Utah has done and building from youth
2:08:21
Speaker 7: and the draft.
2:08:23
Speaker 2: But you're removing players from the roster rather than saying, hey,
2:08:26
Speaker 2: fake an injury or we're just not gonna let you
2:08:29
Speaker 2: skate tonight, which is obviously the conversation and the problem
2:08:32
Speaker 2: in the NBA right now.
2:08:33
Speaker 7: The only thing like that that you really see in
2:08:37
Speaker 7: the NHL, is say our Temmy Paneren for the for
2:08:39
Speaker 7: the Rangers who just got traded to LA, they'll put
2:08:43
Speaker 7: out a release it says our Temmy Paneren will not
2:08:46
Speaker 7: be playing tonight for roster management reasons, trade related purposes,
2:08:54
Speaker 7: something in the language like that. So they they've got
2:08:56
Speaker 7: a guy they know they're gonna trade, he knows he's
2:08:59
Speaker 7: going to be trade, and while the agent and the
2:09:02
Speaker 7: teams work on, say an extension is part of the deal,
2:09:07
Speaker 7: or they continue negotiating, they'll hold the guy out to
2:09:12
Speaker 7: make sure that he doesn't doesn't get hurt. That's one
2:09:17
Speaker 7: thing that you do see in terms of a healthy
2:09:22
Speaker 7: player or not not playing a star player like that.
2:09:26
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone out there is watching the
2:09:28
Speaker 2: Olympics while they listen. But the ice dancing, I don't
2:09:32
Speaker 2: know where this pair is from. The guy was wearing
2:09:34
Speaker 2: what looked like a still suit from Dune if you're
2:09:37
Speaker 2: a fan of the Dune movies. He's on ice, but
2:09:40
Speaker 2: he's preserving his water like he's on the planet Oracus Man.
2:09:45
Speaker 2: Some great style going on there. You are our Nordic
2:09:51
Speaker 2: skiing expert for this Olympic cycle. On the Sean O'Connell show,
2:09:56
Speaker 2: so we lean on you for the updates on all
2:09:59
Speaker 2: things cross country.
2:10:01
Speaker 7: Ah, this is it's amazing. Oh see, we had a
2:10:05
Speaker 7: tremendous race yesterday. Ben Ogden, who's from Vermont, ended a
2:10:12
Speaker 7: fifty year US medal drought with a silver in the
2:10:17
Speaker 7: men's cross country sprint, second US gentleman to win a
2:10:23
Speaker 7: medal in cross country skiing since nineteen seventy six. He
2:10:29
Speaker 7: enjoys knitting. It helps him unwind, So congratulations to Ben
2:10:35
Speaker 7: Ogden on his silver. Coming up tomorrow, we have the
2:10:38
Speaker 7: women's ten kilometer freestyle and same thing for the men
2:10:44
Speaker 7: on Friday. Relay and team events start this weekend. No
2:10:48
Speaker 7: utahons as part of the US teams at the Olympics
2:10:52
Speaker 7: in cross country skiing.
2:10:54
Speaker 2: It's because we don't have snow this year. I couldn't
2:10:56
Speaker 2: make it. They couldn't practice, couldn't make it. The uh
2:11:02
Speaker 2: I used to live on Eleventh Avenue and whoever used
2:11:07
Speaker 2: to be riding by on their long roller blades practicing
2:11:10
Speaker 2: in the summertime. They didn't. They didn't qualify this year. Bummer.
2:11:16
Speaker 2: Don't see as much of that anymore. Do you you
2:11:18
Speaker 2: still do? Do you still see it. I assume they're
2:11:21
Speaker 2: associated with the University of something. Yeah, okay, okay, over
2:11:24
Speaker 2: in that neighborhood. Okay, gotcha. I think they probably go
2:11:27
Speaker 2: cross country skiing from from the university, maybe down through
2:11:32
Speaker 2: City Creek Canyon, who knows where else. But I do
2:11:35
Speaker 2: love the extra long roller blades. It's a very specific
2:11:39
Speaker 2: thing you're preparing for if you're wearing six foot long
2:11:43
Speaker 2: roller blades. All right, between the pipes, brought to you
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2:11:51
Speaker 2: Denny's kind enough to join us in studio every single
2:11:54
Speaker 2: week to break down all things hockey.
2:11:56
Speaker 7: Adrian, you're the man. I appreciate you. Thanks for having
2:11:58
Speaker 7: me in see I have a great week. Have another
2:12:00
Speaker 7: cross country skiing update next week as the stuff really
2:12:05
Speaker 7: heats up over there in the Nordic track.
2:12:10
Speaker 2: That's right, he's also our Nordic skiing expert. All right.
2:12:16
Speaker 2: Another mock draft with a couple of youths in the
2:12:19
Speaker 2: first round. I don't like where this one has Caleb
2:12:24
Speaker 2: Lomo going. We'll get to that on the other side.
2:12:27
Speaker 2: And also an Olympic curling update. We got a tie
2:12:30
Speaker 2: happening right now. And James is well, he's sweating it out.
2:12:34
Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and ninetyf proud part
2:12:37
Speaker 2: of Utah's ESPN Radio Network.
2:12:45
Speaker 1: Youtune of the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Chevrolet
2:12:48
Speaker 1: Studio of ESPN seven.
2:12:52
Speaker 2: A m all right, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
2:13:10
Speaker 2: Got a mock draft. Field Yates put one out for ESPN.
2:13:13
Speaker 2: It looks a lot like the last one, the Matt
2:13:15
Speaker 2: Miller one we talked about, but I'll give you the
2:13:18
Speaker 2: main difference here in a second. After a curling update
2:13:22
Speaker 2: from our Olympic curling insider and specialist James Peterson.
2:13:28
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, oh see, we have a thrilling tie
2:13:32
Speaker 3: game in the final end in men's curling, the opening
2:13:39
Speaker 3: round robin game for Team USA.
2:13:44
Speaker 2: It is seven to seven.
2:13:47
Speaker 3: It looks to be a They look to have battled
2:13:50
Speaker 3: themselves to a standstill so far, with like two stones
2:13:53
Speaker 3: left in the final end too, they've got they look
2:13:56
Speaker 3: to have equal amount of stones in the in the house,
2:14:00
Speaker 3: the scoring zone if you will, for curling. So this
2:14:04
Speaker 3: is about as tight as it gets coming down to
2:14:08
Speaker 3: the wire. Here a couple of other tight ones going on.
2:14:12
Speaker 3: Is all four of these round robins games are going
2:14:15
Speaker 3: on at the same time. Italy the home the host
2:14:19
Speaker 3: nation of course, leading Sweden seven to five in the tenth.
2:14:25
Speaker 3: Then that's that's relatively close there also in the tenth
2:14:29
Speaker 3: then Canada leading Germany six to four, and then Great
2:14:34
Speaker 3: Britain just barely just barely finished off their dominant win
2:14:38
Speaker 3: over China nine to four. So that's the only one
2:14:42
Speaker 3: that's gone final so far. The men's the Team USA match,
2:14:47
Speaker 3: or they might just go to extra endz OC, which
2:14:52
Speaker 3: is I mean free curling.
2:14:53
Speaker 2: Why not?
2:14:54
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the best thing, free curling in the Olympics.
2:14:58
Speaker 2: Free Olympic curling. It's all free for us, although I
2:15:04
Speaker 2: guess not anymore because nobody just has regular turn your
2:15:08
Speaker 2: TV on with the Buddy Years antenna. Everyone's got cable
2:15:11
Speaker 2: that they're paying at least something for.
2:15:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can get I think a lot
2:15:14
Speaker 3: more people have the have the antenna, not the Bunny
2:15:18
Speaker 3: the rabbit ears, but they've got they've got an antenna
2:15:20
Speaker 3: because of the Jazz and Mammoths going back to over
2:15:23
Speaker 3: the air TV as an option, So probably a fair
2:15:26
Speaker 3: amount of people watching it that way, I don't.
2:15:30
Speaker 2: Are we done with our curling up tape? Yeah? Okay,
2:15:33
Speaker 2: we're done?
2:15:33
Speaker 3: Where I will I'll I might chime in as soon
2:15:36
Speaker 3: as this goes final, if if it doesn't go to
2:15:38
Speaker 3: extra ends here, which which is I'm making an official
2:15:42
Speaker 3: curling term as extra ends.
2:15:44
Speaker 2: So I was just watching. There was a commercial on
2:15:48
Speaker 2: for I'm watching the Olympics. Figure skating is happening right now.
2:15:52
Speaker 2: Ice dancing is going on.
2:15:54
Speaker 3: Okay, By the way, is that Ryan Howard from the
2:15:57
Speaker 3: office ice dancing and looks just like him?
2:16:01
Speaker 2: It's the French couple in eighth place after the rhythm
2:16:05
Speaker 2: section of ice dancing. Uh Man. The costumes, I I
2:16:10
Speaker 2: think I have a new goal to be a costume
2:16:11
Speaker 2: designer for Olympic. The crazy thing is, if you watch
2:16:18
Speaker 2: Blades of Glory, the so good, the Will Ferrell and like,
2:16:26
Speaker 2: the the outfits are actually wearing in the Olympics are
2:16:29
Speaker 2: indistinguishable from the farcical costumes that they wear in that movie.
2:16:33
Speaker 3: The French, the French woman in the in the ice
2:16:36
Speaker 3: dancing pair, she she looks like she could have a
2:16:39
Speaker 3: little peacock on her on her wrist, like like Jimmy
2:16:43
Speaker 3: mckilvoy McElroy.
2:16:45
Speaker 2: But I'm watching this and Peacock beautiful. The commercials just
2:16:51
Speaker 2: showed an a company called Archer, and just casually they
2:16:57
Speaker 2: dropped Archer the official air tak taxi of the LA
2:17:02
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight Olympics. I'm sorry, what what is an
2:17:08
Speaker 2: air taxi? Like a helicopter that takes you. It's an
2:17:13
Speaker 2: electric helicopter, so I thought, yeah, that has twenty to
2:17:18
Speaker 2: fifty mile range and you could obviously go straight line
2:17:25
Speaker 2: over the top of traffic. They're like multiprop little miniature
2:17:28
Speaker 2: planes slash helicopters. Apparently they're ready to use these things
2:17:34
Speaker 2: at twenty twenty eight. You don't just on television be
2:17:37
Speaker 2: like where the official air We don't know what an
2:17:40
Speaker 2: air taxi is.
2:17:41
Speaker 3: 're the official spaceship of the LA Olympics. Like what,
2:17:45
Speaker 3: by the way, I have an update? Okay, let's go,
2:17:48
Speaker 3: we have a final?
2:17:49
Speaker 2: All right? Team USA?
2:17:51
Speaker 3: You say, conquers Checkia eight to seven in the in
2:17:58
Speaker 3: the opening game of the men's round robin, the preliminary
2:18:02
Speaker 3: round of the men of men's curling.
2:18:05
Speaker 2: Let's go You sorry, you say eat it? Check Yes,
2:18:09
Speaker 2: sorry about your luck? Veggie, just kidding cut off his
2:18:13
Speaker 2: mouth up. We love you. We're actually we actually feel
2:18:15
Speaker 2: kind of bad because we love Veggi, but we don't
2:18:19
Speaker 2: want you to be sad. Veggie, but we did just
2:18:21
Speaker 2: beat your country, all right. I don't know if I'm
2:18:25
Speaker 2: ready for the air taxi commercials. That trips me out
2:18:30
Speaker 2: and come on, didn't anyone did anyone not go? Wait?
2:18:34
Speaker 2: How did Kobe Bryant die again?
2:18:36
Speaker 5: Oh?
2:18:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's have millions of people go that way. Yikes, yeah,
2:18:42
Speaker 3: not die that way. Let's let's let's get millions of
2:18:45
Speaker 3: people on helicopters like that.
2:18:47
Speaker 2: The the mock draft of Field Theates put out on
2:18:53
Speaker 2: ESPN dot com has basically the same top six as
2:18:59
Speaker 2: the Matt Miller one wed earlier this week, which puts
2:19:01
Speaker 2: Caleb Lomu excuse me, put spent Spencer Fano in Cleveland again.
2:19:06
Speaker 2: So I don't like it. I don't want that to
2:19:08
Speaker 2: be the case. I don't want that to be the
2:19:10
Speaker 2: place where he ends up. Who's the who's the other
2:19:14
Speaker 2: tackle that they have? It's Miami. It's Miami's tackle. Francis Mauingo,
2:19:19
Speaker 2: who would be going would be going where he would
2:19:22
Speaker 2: be going to the Arizona Cardinals at pick number three.
2:19:26
Speaker 2: It can if you're Spencer Fano, can cake can we
2:19:29
Speaker 2: can we just switch? Can we swap? Can we swap
2:19:31
Speaker 2: that one out?
2:19:32
Speaker 1: Now?
2:19:32
Speaker 2: If you remember, the last one had, the last mock
2:19:35
Speaker 2: draft that we looked at form ESPN had Caleb Loomo
2:19:38
Speaker 2: going to my beloved San Francisco forty nine ers, which
2:19:41
Speaker 2: of course I'm on board with. I like that fit.
2:19:44
Speaker 2: I like the idea of having another Ute in a
2:19:47
Speaker 2: Niners uniform to root for. Uh, this one, this mock
2:19:52
Speaker 2: draft has the Texas A and M wide receiver Casey
2:19:56
Speaker 2: Concepcion going to the San Francisco forty nine and Caleb
2:20:01
Speaker 2: Lomu falling back to pick number thirty one, which of
2:20:05
Speaker 2: course puts him with the New England Patriots. It actually
2:20:09
Speaker 2: is a perfect fit, yea, because a huge need for
2:20:12
Speaker 2: them as we saw in the Super Bowl. Now, I
2:20:15
Speaker 2: said that the benefit for Caleb Lomo if he goes
2:20:19
Speaker 2: to the San Francisco forty nine ers is he could
2:20:21
Speaker 2: potentially sit behind Trent Williams. Jeff Schwartz was like, well,
2:20:25
Speaker 2: they would probably just make him play right tackle and
2:20:27
Speaker 2: that would be the plan for the New England Patriots,
2:20:30
Speaker 2: who have doubled down and said, Will Campbell had a
2:20:34
Speaker 2: bad game, He's done his film study, He's going to
2:20:36
Speaker 2: figure it out. He's a young guy, and I think
2:20:38
Speaker 2: that is the right answer.
2:20:40
Speaker 3: He was a top five pick too, right, like, obviously
2:20:43
Speaker 3: a lot of talent.
2:20:44
Speaker 2: Yes, he's at Campbell, Yes, he was an All American
2:20:47
Speaker 2: playing in the SEC at LSU.
2:20:49
Speaker 3: It's not like he's probably going to get a lot
2:20:53
Speaker 3: better from here.
2:20:54
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. It's a high profile place
2:20:57
Speaker 2: to fail or to struggle, but pressure is a privilege. Man.
2:21:03
Speaker 2: The only reason that he's in that conversation is because
2:21:06
Speaker 2: he helped his team get to that game. This mock
2:21:10
Speaker 2: draft puts Kleb Lomu in a New England Patriots uniform,
2:21:13
Speaker 2: and obviously that helps the offensive line that needs help.
2:21:19
Speaker 3: And going back to we were talking about this yesterday
2:21:25
Speaker 3: in the day before we were talking about how the
2:21:31
Speaker 3: Bengals or I brought up how the Bengals had a
2:21:35
Speaker 3: chance to shore up their offensive line by drafting Pina
2:21:37
Speaker 3: Suol instead of drafting Jamar Chase and immediately that that
2:21:43
Speaker 3: had an immediate benefit having Jamar Chase on the team.
2:21:46
Speaker 3: They get to the Super Bowl, right, they have an
2:21:47
Speaker 3: incredible offense, and we've seen the offense has been incredible,
2:21:51
Speaker 3: except that they still can't protect Joe Burrow right, So
2:21:55
Speaker 3: long term, maybe it's shown to be hey, maybe that
2:21:57
Speaker 3: was a mistake. There as good as good as that
2:21:59
Speaker 3: connection has been in the NFL, the Patriots is a
2:22:03
Speaker 3: whole different situation. They did use a top five pick
2:22:08
Speaker 3: on an important offensive line position in Will Campbell.
2:22:11
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, it just takes time.
2:22:14
Speaker 3: Takes time for the even even top five picks and
2:22:17
Speaker 3: rookies coming out of the SEC they still look like
2:22:21
Speaker 3: rookies in the NFL sometimes, and there it just shows
2:22:25
Speaker 3: that they're doing it the right way. And if they
2:22:27
Speaker 3: have the chance to draft the Caleb Blowmo in the
2:22:29
Speaker 3: first round two they they they have a chance to
2:22:32
Speaker 3: show hey, yeah, we will give him more, will give
2:22:36
Speaker 3: Drake May more weapons another way, but we're gonna we're
2:22:39
Speaker 3: gonna work on protecting him first. And he by the way,
2:22:41
Speaker 3: he also has quite a few weapons.
2:22:43
Speaker 2: And by the way, Drake May is probably fully on
2:22:46
Speaker 2: board with that strategy. Yes, Like wait a second, you're
2:22:49
Speaker 2: gonna make it so I get hit less because I
2:22:52
Speaker 2: got hit more than any quarterback ever has in the playoffs.
2:22:54
Speaker 2: I got sacked more than any quarterback ever has in
2:22:56
Speaker 2: the playoffs. You're helping to solve that problem for me, fine,
2:23:00
Speaker 2: I'll throw it to a slightly slower guy. And especially
2:23:05
Speaker 2: in New England, there's this long history there and Mike
2:23:08
Speaker 2: Rabel played on teams where Mike Vrabel himself became a
2:23:12
Speaker 2: scoring threat and a pass catching option. So for him,
2:23:15
Speaker 2: he's just like, look, if we protect the quarterback and
2:23:17
Speaker 2: we have the right quarterback, we can plug in middle
2:23:22
Speaker 2: aged linebackers to catch passes. Because he did that. He
2:23:28
Speaker 2: was he was.
2:23:29
Speaker 3: JJ Watt linebacker, pass rusher, red zone threat before JJ
2:23:34
Speaker 3: Watt was the linebacker, the pass rusher, red zone threat.
2:23:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He was the og. All right, Well
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Speaker 4: The meantime, I went to the Utah Houston game last night.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you boy.
2:25:34
Speaker 4: Decided to roll up, okay, walk across campus. So the
2:25:42
Speaker 4: bad news, well, there are several pieces of bad news
2:25:46
Speaker 4: about the fact that there are no fans in that building, right,
2:25:50
Speaker 4: but the one kind of fringe benefit from a media
2:25:54
Speaker 4: member perspective and somebody who loves basketball and really wants
2:25:56
Speaker 4: Alex to succeed.
2:25:58
Speaker 2: I was on like that. I don't know the fifth throw.
2:26:00
Speaker 4: They're good seats, not great to find seats, right, But
2:26:03
Speaker 4: because there are no fans in the building, you can
2:26:05
Speaker 4: hear crystal clear what Alex is saying to his team.
2:26:09
Speaker 2: You can hear everything. Okay.
2:26:11
Speaker 4: So for anybody out there that doesn't think Alex has
2:26:15
Speaker 4: this side of him.
2:26:16
Speaker 2: Where he's intense, he does.
2:26:18
Speaker 4: And for anybody out there who thinks Alex isn't coaching
2:26:21
Speaker 4: this team up, he is.
2:26:23
Speaker 2: Here's what I don't understand, Sean.
2:26:25
Speaker 4: I would imagine you caught portion of the game, right, Yes,
2:26:29
Speaker 4: twenty one, number twenty one for Houston, right, good player
2:26:34
Speaker 4: on fire. Okay, I think he hit I think he
2:26:38
Speaker 4: hit six threes in the first half. And I'm sitting
2:26:43
Speaker 4: here going well he can shoot, so let's go ahead
2:26:47
Speaker 4: and you know, maybe push back a little bit. And
2:26:51
Speaker 4: Alex every time he caught the ball was yelling gap, yelling, blitz,
2:26:55
Speaker 4: yelling get up, and for whatever reason, the players like,
2:27:01
Speaker 4: don't get it.
2:27:02
Speaker 2: I hate to be harsh, but I could hear.
2:27:08
Speaker 4: I was almost laughing because I saw a couple old
2:27:10
Speaker 4: buddies at the game. So Emmanuel Sharp, who's been around,
2:27:13
Speaker 4: he's a good college basketball player. He is a senior
2:27:17
Speaker 4: and one of the Calvin Sampson superpowers. Is a lot
2:27:20
Speaker 4: of these kids just don't transfer. He goes eight to
2:27:23
Speaker 4: thirteen from three. He hits like four straight in the
2:27:26
Speaker 4: first half. But they're practiced threes. They're walking threes. Like
2:27:30
Speaker 4: he wasn't beating people off the dribble. He was catching
2:27:32
Speaker 4: the ball and like looking around like all right, no
2:27:36
Speaker 4: one is near me.
2:27:38
Speaker 2: But after it was a pairent that he was feeling.
2:27:40
Speaker 2: And the kid's a good player anyway.
2:27:42
Speaker 4: I was just sitting there trying not to laugh because
2:27:44
Speaker 4: I felt so bad for Alex. Shark catches the ball
2:27:48
Speaker 4: and he's yelling gap, blitz, get up, get up, and
2:27:50
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, the players are like booh, and they
2:27:53
Speaker 4: wouldn't catch and shoot threes all night long. Like I
2:27:58
Speaker 4: don't want to be overly hard, but I after watching
2:28:02
Speaker 4: that game last night, I am very convinced that behind
2:28:06
Speaker 4: closed doors, Alex has to be pulling his hair out
2:28:10
Speaker 4: with these players either unwillingness or inability to listen to
2:28:13
Speaker 4: what he is saying. I wasn't thrilled that I could
2:28:17
Speaker 4: sit there hearing everything that the coach is saying, because
2:28:21
Speaker 4: a college of basketball venue is supposed to have enough
2:28:23
Speaker 4: noise where you can't hear, you know, the coach yelling
2:28:26
Speaker 4: the plays and the director, you know, the defensive sets.
2:28:29
Speaker 4: But he was yelling at his players and they were
2:28:31
Speaker 4: not listening to him.
2:28:33
Speaker 2: It was one of the most wild things I've ever seen.
2:28:36
Speaker 2: A frustrating season, certainly a frustrating Big twelve season, especially
2:28:40
Speaker 2: Yeah or Utah basketball. And don't let it take away
2:28:45
Speaker 2: from how you felt last year when Alex was announced
2:28:49
Speaker 2: as the higher But it is going to take time,
2:28:52
Speaker 2: and maybe more than time, it's gonna you know, they're
2:28:54
Speaker 2: gonna have to re energize and inject some talent back
2:28:57
Speaker 2: into this program that just isn't there right now.
2:28:59
Speaker 4: You know, I'm actually thinking about this last night watching
2:29:02
Speaker 4: the game. And let me be very clear, because I
2:29:05
Speaker 4: went down to Provo shout out my people to watch
2:29:08
Speaker 4: Houston and by you play.
2:29:10
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons I.
2:29:11
Speaker 4: Wanted to go last night is watching Houston play basketball
2:29:13
Speaker 4: is really fun this year. Like that they could win
2:29:15
Speaker 4: the national championship, it would not surprise me at all. Okay,
2:29:18
Speaker 4: So this is not necessarily an indictment on Utah because
2:29:22
Speaker 4: Houston is that good. But Sean, I'm watching the game
2:29:25
Speaker 4: last night, I'm going up and down the roster. I'm like,
2:29:27
Speaker 4: who do you want back? And you know, Terrence Brown
2:29:30
Speaker 4: and Don mcchnry are good ball in hand individual scorers,
2:29:34
Speaker 4: but they don't play team basketball. They don't guard. You know,
2:29:37
Speaker 4: Keanu's got some stuff that you like. And look, I
2:29:41
Speaker 4: was told that, you know, byus spent more on aj
2:29:45
Speaker 4: Debonza and Kansas spent more on Darren Peterson than Utah
2:29:48
Speaker 4: basketball has on its entire roster. And look, if that's
2:29:51
Speaker 4: the case, if there are any deep pocketed boner excuse me,
2:29:55
Speaker 4: donors and boosters that are listening to the show right now,
2:29:57
Speaker 4: and I know that you are, don't lie, Okay, can
2:30:01
Speaker 4: we can we write our guy a check? Can we
2:30:03
Speaker 4: get our guys some talent, because every time I watched him,
2:30:06
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, they don't have near the talent besides
2:30:10
Speaker 4: the athleticism the death that the team across them does.
2:30:14
Speaker 4: And if you're not writing checks for talent in the
2:30:15
Speaker 4: modern day and age of either college or basketball or
2:30:17
Speaker 4: college football, you have no shot.
2:30:22
Speaker 2: Well, that message of optimism comes to you from the
2:30:24
Speaker 2: drive and spends checkets. Oh wait, we believe in love
2:30:27
Speaker 2: for three to one.
2:30:30
Speaker 4: Love is love is a hallmark emotion that you've been
2:30:34
Speaker 4: basically conditioned to believe that isn't real.
2:30:37
Speaker 2: Love is dead o'clock. Now that it's time for the drive,
2:30:39
Speaker 2: can I give you the tray answer? Yeah? Zero, correct.
2:30:42
Speaker 2: He hasn't played in one game. He hasn't played any game.
2:30:44
Speaker 2: And guess what, he's not hurt. Oh, come on, the
2:30:47
Speaker 2: team would not lie about that. No, that's a good point.
2:30:49
Speaker 2: That would be threatening the integrity of basketball. That's my
2:30:51
Speaker 2: bad that's my badger. Only the Jazz do that by
2:30:54
Speaker 2: sitting down people in the fourth court.
2:30:56
Speaker 4: I was telling you because I had an unexpected ninety
2:30:59
Speaker 4: minutes in my car today tuning in to my guy
2:31:01
Speaker 4: Sean O'Connell. Andy Phillips great joke about the skiing in
2:31:05
Speaker 4: Michigan being horrible right off the top. And then when
2:31:09
Speaker 4: you went to commercial, I fired up because I saw
2:31:11
Speaker 4: that Bill Simmons was talking about And I know a
2:31:13
Speaker 4: lot of people don't like Bill, but he's a basketball guy.
2:31:15
Speaker 4: He knows the history of the league, and so I'm like,
2:31:17
Speaker 4: all right, maybe Bill will bring some brevity to this
2:31:19
Speaker 4: tanking conversation. And he had that con artist Nick right
2:31:22
Speaker 4: on a show, who's just a hot take guy, and
2:31:25
Speaker 4: they did ten minutes on the Jazz, like it's unprecedented.
2:31:30
Speaker 4: The way the Jazz are doing this is unpressed. I'm like,
2:31:32
Speaker 4: you should know better, Bill Simmons, it absolutely is not unprecedented.
2:31:38
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about this exchanging text with some people
2:31:40
Speaker 4: around the league, like trying to understand why suddenly, A
2:31:43
Speaker 4: people are just noticing the teams are tanking. B people
2:31:48
Speaker 4: suddenly care and see why the Jazz specifically have become
2:31:51
Speaker 4: the target of national NBA media And I honestly I
2:31:55
Speaker 4: have no idea.
2:31:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, being the poster child for a negative phenomenon and
2:32:01
Speaker 2: you're the one who's not even most guilty of it
2:32:05
Speaker 2: is very odd, but it's the you know it's the
2:32:09
Speaker 2: new money owner. Okay, it's a team that doesn't have
2:32:14
Speaker 2: any influential players or I don't think the Jazz really
2:32:18
Speaker 2: have any influential human beings on the NBA level that
2:32:22
Speaker 2: can pick up the phone and be like, uh uh,
2:32:25
Speaker 2: we are not the scapegoats for this. I mean maybe
2:32:27
Speaker 2: Danny ain't. Yeah, Danny would be the one who could.
2:32:30
Speaker 4: But I like, I think Danny's more worried about tea
2:32:32
Speaker 4: times than he has about narratives around the team.
2:32:35
Speaker 2: And I mean that's fair. He's earned that right in
2:32:37
Speaker 2: his life. Absolutely, But the idea that the Utah Jazz
2:32:42
Speaker 2: are the ones being dragged and will be punished through
2:32:44
Speaker 2: the draft lottery, mark my words. I heard your bogus.
2:32:48
Speaker 4: What is did Rogan do a pot on the draft
2:32:51
Speaker 4: lottery that I missed or what's going on?
2:32:52
Speaker 2: I get nothing from Rogan. But if you can influence
2:32:57
Speaker 2: outcomes as a multi billion dollar business, you do. That's
2:33:01
Speaker 2: just how it is. It's hard to argue with that.
2:33:04
Speaker 2: I come at this with a little bit of.
2:33:06
Speaker 4: Experience, and you you had the nerve to utter Patrick
2:33:09
Speaker 4: Ewing's name into that microphone.
2:33:11
Speaker 2: Shame on you. Sean O'Connell, all right, Well, you can
2:33:14
Speaker 2: listen to four hours of delusion from Spencer seconds. Look,
2:33:18
Speaker 2: you're not alone, all right, you're not alone.
2:33:21
Speaker 4: And also the same people believe we didn't land on
2:33:24
Speaker 4: the moon, and that's all right.
2:33:24
Speaker 2: Maybe we didn't.
2:33:25
Speaker 4: I don't know, Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm up in
2:33:27
Speaker 4: the night. It's not rigged. It's a lottery. It literally is.
2:33:31
Speaker 2: The lottery's never been rigged. There's no evidence anywhere that
2:33:34
Speaker 2: lotteries of any kind are ever rigged so that people
2:33:37
Speaker 2: can win multiple or that certain people will win them.
2:33:40
Speaker 2: It never happened with the Monopoly game and McDonald's. Then
2:33:44
Speaker 2: all wait, wait, wait, wait, all of these sweepstakes things
2:33:46
Speaker 2: are pure chance.
2:33:48
Speaker 4: Hold on, I'm now changing my viewpoint. Is it possible
2:33:52
Speaker 4: to rig like a state lottery?
2:33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah?
2:33:55
Speaker 4: Well can we do that four hours of radio a day, Dude,
2:33:58
Speaker 4: I'm getting old like I would If there's a way
2:34:01
Speaker 4: to rig a state lottery, I need that information.
2:34:04
Speaker 2: You need to live in a state with a lottery. First.
2:34:08
Speaker 4: Oh wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Now you have to
2:34:09
Speaker 4: answer my question that I asked you off. I wanted
2:34:11
Speaker 4: on air because I was debating this. Yeah, there are
2:34:15
Speaker 4: several things that are frustrating in life, But I would
2:34:17
Speaker 4: say moving absolutely sucks. Yeah, moving's terrible, even if you're
2:34:21
Speaker 4: moving into like a new place you're pumped about, just
2:34:23
Speaker 4: the process sucks. And then sitting in a dentists chair
2:34:25
Speaker 4: like I did this morning sucks.
2:34:27
Speaker 2: Shout out to all Dennis, thank you for the work
2:34:30
Speaker 2: you do, but we all hate you. Yeah, you're the worst.
2:34:32
Speaker 2: I mean, thanks, but you know, screw you.
2:34:34
Speaker 4: Would you rather get a like legitimate deep root canal
2:34:38
Speaker 4: or have to move?
2:34:39
Speaker 2: You know? I think that the root canal because it
2:34:41
Speaker 2: is a shorter period of suffering. Okay, our two hours
2:34:47
Speaker 2: in the chair and then you got like that another
2:34:50
Speaker 2: thirty minutes while your face is kind of numb like
2:34:53
Speaker 2: the novacne.
2:34:54
Speaker 1: Oh.
2:34:55
Speaker 2: But moving is like a multi week process, yeah, where
2:34:59
Speaker 2: you're just like, oh my gosh. Even if you hire people,
2:35:01
Speaker 2: you still got to unpack the boxes and decide where
2:35:04
Speaker 2: to put all your crab.
2:35:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sophie's choice, man, I'm just curious as to what
2:35:08
Speaker 4: you would say.
2:35:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, so wow, I just chose the dentist yuck. Thanks
2:35:12
Speaker 2: for listening to The Sean O'Connell Show. Will do it
2:35:14
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