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Capitulo 013: Tejiendo Diaspora (con Kayla) · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: we're actually recording at Espasi. Yes we are so. Espasio
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Speaker 1: is a community space, art space boutique in Highland Park.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, boil her, what's in in boil hides?
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Speaker 1: Thinking about Vida? Sorry? Um in boil hids, it's on
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Speaker 1: first streets and what else. Well, we have had some
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Speaker 1: really exciting experiences recently as as a podcast, Yes we have. Um,
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Speaker 1: we were fortunate to be invited by our good friends,
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Speaker 1: good friends Silky to speak at her Chicano Studies Chicana
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Speaker 1: Artivism class at u c l A. Yeah, it was amazing.
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Speaker 1: We did a presentation on the podcast on local radio
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Speaker 1: and our Radiophonic novella and we discussed, um, what it
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Speaker 1: what it means to reimagine what a novella is? Right,
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Speaker 1: so we were working with or we did our presentation
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Speaker 1: with freshman students. Yes, and it's an artivism class. So
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Speaker 1: Silky the she's a professor, she's in what her fifth year,
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Speaker 1: she's a PhD candidate, HD candidate, but she also teaches
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Speaker 1: and um, she was talking to us about the curriculum
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Speaker 1: of this class and how it has a lot to
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Speaker 1: do with the way that art is used as resistance
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Speaker 1: but also with healings in different che Connects movements. Before
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Speaker 1: we spoke to her class, we basically just gave an
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Speaker 1: overview of the podcast what is a Radio Phonic Novella?
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Speaker 1: And she had shown like a film that she herself
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Speaker 1: had filmed and directed, so she's awesome. Thank you, Silkie
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Speaker 1: and all the students. Yeah, it was really great because
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Speaker 1: for our final activity that we did with them, so
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be just a lecture, we actually had them
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Speaker 1: create have work in twos, their work in pairs, and
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Speaker 1: then have them create their own podcasts. Yes, and some
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Speaker 1: of my favorites. One of them was like two a
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Speaker 1: PI women and they titled their podcast it would be
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Speaker 1: Pani Bitches. Yes. They were so cute. And then there
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Speaker 1: was like Brown Bitches. It was really great, and then
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Speaker 1: there was one that was they said that they would
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Speaker 1: call there's p w I right, and they would go
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Speaker 1: around and basically collect stories from people of color about
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Speaker 1: their experiences that are predominantly white institution and speaking of
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Speaker 1: a p w I yes, which has Yeah, this is
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Speaker 1: a good transition. So we have a guest is Kayla
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Speaker 1: Kayla four e M I know us, Yes, And we
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Speaker 1: met at a p w I Yes at tubs in Boston.
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Speaker 1: At Tubs in Boston and m Kayla does a lot.
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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna let go ahead and tell our listeners
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Speaker 1: who you are, what you've been up to, and you know,
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Speaker 1: like give them some insight into your work. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: I'm Kayla Group in California. My family is Colombia from Khali,
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Speaker 1: and my mom's side is African American from the South Virginia. UM.
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Speaker 1: And so for me, I studied International Nations at TOUGHS
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Speaker 1: and then after that I went and started living and
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Speaker 1: working in Ghana, where I worked with an ethical fashion
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Speaker 1: and brand called Studio one nine. It's co founded by
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Speaker 1: actress Rosario Dassent and yes, who's a former um A
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Speaker 1: brand exact for Patago Vanetta and like Gucci and things
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Speaker 1: like that. So the two of them have been best
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Speaker 1: friends since high school and they both are very very
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Speaker 1: passionate about, you know, giving back to the community but
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Speaker 1: then also creating jobs and supporting women. And so they
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Speaker 1: kind of used their expertise to create this platform using
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Speaker 1: the arts in fashion UM in Ghana, and so I
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Speaker 1: worked directly with the artisans. UM. Yeah, it's beautiful, It's amazing.
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Speaker 1: And how did you get started with Studio one eight nine? Like? What?
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Speaker 1: Because you know, um, I feel like you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: tough studying college. You were studying international relation, right. Klo's
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Speaker 1: was also a competitive speed skater, like the list just
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Speaker 1: goes on on, you know, but how did you find
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Speaker 1: yourself working with Rosario, working in Ghana, working in fashion? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I guess after graduating, I felt like I was
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Speaker 1: learning so much about economies and cultures and like a
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Speaker 1: very macro level, big scale, and I was really interested
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Speaker 1: in being on the ground. And I was kind of
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Speaker 1: tired of like think tanks all that more corporate, you know, environment,
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Speaker 1: and I kind of wanted to do something that was
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Speaker 1: a little bit more creative and maybe a little bit
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Speaker 1: more innovative and its approach. Um. And so I went
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Speaker 1: to Ghana right after you're graduating. And my aunt, actually
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Speaker 1: my mom's sister, she works in AID, like more traditional aid,
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Speaker 1: and so she was stationed in Ghana. So for me,
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Speaker 1: it was a really nice transition because I had somebody
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Speaker 1: who was there who was really familiar with the culture,
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Speaker 1: who had lived who knew me growing up, you know.
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Speaker 1: But then also um could kind of help me get settled.
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Speaker 1: And so while I was there, I found out about
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Speaker 1: Studio and actually through Instagram, of course. Instagram, you know,
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Speaker 1: it just makes all the connections happen. So yes, and
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Speaker 1: shout out to the urban bush babes, t K Wonder Cypriana.
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Speaker 1: They have this amazing blog. They have natural hair, they
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Speaker 1: highlight fashion. It's a platform also for women of color. Um.
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Speaker 1: And so I was following them. Was really into fashion
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Speaker 1: in general and African fashions and making my own things
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Speaker 1: while I was, you know, first months in Ghana, and
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Speaker 1: I saw them post about Rosario and Arima and studio
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Speaker 1: and I thought, wow, that's a really great way to
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Speaker 1: kind of tie all my interest together about you know,
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Speaker 1: businesses and development, but then also kind of this creative side.
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Speaker 1: And so I just kind of emailed them from there.
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Speaker 1: And so you live in Akron, right, so can you
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your experience living there? How
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Speaker 1: long have you been there? It's been almost two years
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Speaker 1: or so. Across is really wonderful. I think at first
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Speaker 1: it takes a little bit of patience. Things don't run
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Speaker 1: the same way they're here. I have to be aware
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Speaker 1: that you're in a completely different environment. Um. But at
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Speaker 1: the same time, people are very warm, they're very friendly,
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Speaker 1: they want to know your story. Um. And so I
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Speaker 1: just found that it was really easy to kind of
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Speaker 1: adapt into that culture because it was just so welcoming.
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Speaker 1: And how has that experience been for you as and
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Speaker 1: maybe we'll get into this when when we start talking
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Speaker 1: about the logopistemologies. Right, But you know you mentioned the
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Speaker 1: blog and you are logging now too. Yes, you want
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Speaker 1: to talk about fashion, traveling, being in Ghana and how
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Speaker 1: all of that has fit in together for you. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I have a blog called the Hindu Experiences. It's
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Speaker 1: a bilingual blog. It's in Spanish and English. I talked
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Speaker 1: about my experiences and after Latina in Ghana because I
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Speaker 1: found that in my family everyone was always asking me
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Speaker 1: about Ghana. They're like, Ganda, Oh, I want to know
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Speaker 1: about the fabrics, it's so pretty. What do people do?
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Speaker 1: And to me, I found so much overlap between our cultures,
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Speaker 1: like even in the food they eat Plantain, like eat
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Speaker 1: a lot of the foods that you eat in Colombia.
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Speaker 1: But then also like in Virginia where there's like a
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Speaker 1: lot of peanuts and there's a lot of yams and
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Speaker 1: things like that, you know, there's a ya yuka and
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Speaker 1: like sun culture and like eating stews. Growing up with
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Speaker 1: that kind of culture, and then you go somewhere like
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Speaker 1: Ghana and it's like, oh, this is kind of where
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Speaker 1: it comes from. You know, you kind of see where
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Speaker 1: it like fits together like like things. Um So for me,
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Speaker 1: I think it's been really interesting to kind of live there,
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Speaker 1: and I think based off of both my family and
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Speaker 1: friends are interested in what I was doing in the US,
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Speaker 1: but then also in Colombia and Spain who are constantly
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Speaker 1: asked me what I was doing. I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: well maybe I'll try to make a platform, and like
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Speaker 1: you know, working with a lot of creatives, I kind
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Speaker 1: of was inspired by some of them. So and so
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Speaker 1: can you tell us the name of your blog again
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Speaker 1: and where people can find it? Yeah, so as to
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Speaker 1: handom experiences dot com, Um, I have my Instagram page,
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Speaker 1: there's a link. So if you go at Kayla four
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Speaker 1: a k A y l A f O r y
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Speaker 1: there's a link in my description handle experiences. I love it.
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Speaker 1: And and you also are basically like Colombian like soccer
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Speaker 1: royalty as well, what us because everybody wants did you
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Speaker 1: really think you were going to be able to be
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Speaker 1: on and not talk about this Columbiana royalty or what so?
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Speaker 1: So true? Yeah, so my dad he um, he played
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Speaker 1: on the like U nineteen national team in Colombia and
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Speaker 1: he was a coach. So my whole life like at
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Speaker 1: Stanford he coached like Julie Fadley and like me at hand,
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Speaker 1: Christie Chesstaining, all those women that were on the American team,
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Speaker 1: he coached them before they were on that team. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then like I have cousins who play like Alterno
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Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's a cousin, and then uh, Chris ac Milan,
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Speaker 1: he's the second cousin too. So like literally, you know,
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Speaker 1: like we watched we watched the World Couple a lot.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm sure it gets real crazy. And are you
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Speaker 1: yourself a soccer player? I grew up I think walking
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Speaker 1: and then playing soccer, okay, but I kind of chose
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Speaker 1: to do other sports. Um. I did volleyball in high
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Speaker 1: school and I used to speed SKay and things like that,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't end up sticking with it. But you know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I had it in my blood. It's there. It's there,
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Speaker 1: it's there. And I'm so curious, like I imagine that
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Speaker 1: you know, everybody has their personal style, you know, your
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Speaker 1: street style, whatever has influenced you your look. How has
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Speaker 1: working in a fashion house influenced your look? Because I
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Speaker 1: can just just knowing you, like over the years, I
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Speaker 1: feel like you've definitely evolved into your own look like
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Speaker 1: since working at studio in Ghana. I see it like
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Speaker 1: you look have you look amazing? Let's describe what she's wearing, right,
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Speaker 1: Describe for the listeners what you put together today and
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Speaker 1: put a picture? What post the picture with all of us?
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Speaker 1: But yes, okay um, So I'm wearing like a shirt dress.
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Speaker 1: It's a button down, it's very long, it's tie and
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Speaker 1: dive made by artistans and Khana. It's so it's blue
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Speaker 1: and white. And then I kind of have it partially
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Speaker 1: tucked in so you can see my pencil skirt. And
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Speaker 1: the pencil skirt is handwoman from Synegal. It's actually from
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Speaker 1: my aunts. She had it when she was in Peace
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Speaker 1: Corps and so I have a couple of her pieces
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Speaker 1: that she know she's carried around from being in Africa
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Speaker 1: for the last what something years. This is the same aunty,
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Speaker 1: same aunt who's in Ghana, so she's lived all over.
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Speaker 1: So I think I got a little inspiration from her
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Speaker 1: and then my mom, and then also working in a
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Speaker 1: fashion house and being around so many creative people on
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Speaker 1: the photo shoots with the stylists, you realize that you
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Speaker 1: don't have to wear something the way it's maybe marketed
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Speaker 1: or like designed, so like you could wear a skirt
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Speaker 1: as a dress, or you can wear a parao scarf
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Speaker 1: as a skirt, or you know, like there's so much
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Speaker 1: that you can do. Or I've seen people take like
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Speaker 1: belts and make like tubetops and you're like, oh, I
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Speaker 1: didn't know that was you know, and you're like, but
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Speaker 1: it's so cute. And so I think being around that
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Speaker 1: energy has helped me be more creative and kind of
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Speaker 1: looking see, okay, well what could I do with this?
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Speaker 1: And I like to get pieces that are more versatile
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Speaker 1: so I can dress it up or down because sometimes
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Speaker 1: you have to go in and out between places, and
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Speaker 1: so it's nice to be able to do something really
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Speaker 1: quick and like change the whole look amazing. And so
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Speaker 1: how would you describe your style? Maybe pre like working
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Speaker 1: in fashion, and I feel like before it was probably
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Speaker 1: a lot more like practical, like it wasn't as like stylish,
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Speaker 1: I think because I was also you know, with sports
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Speaker 1: was really big part of my life, especially as a
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Speaker 1: student because I was on the volleyball team and I
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Speaker 1: did track and I was skating, so I was often
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Speaker 1: in between Jim. So to be completely honest, I feel
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Speaker 1: like it was like a lot more like practical, just
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Speaker 1: kind of like not thinking so much about it. And
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Speaker 1: so I think going to Ghana kind of really opened
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Speaker 1: up this whole creative side of me that I really
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Speaker 1: enjoyed to play with the different colors and the prints
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Speaker 1: and kind of mix and match styles and like wovens
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Speaker 1: with things that are printed, and like how you kind
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Speaker 1: of pair it together so it looks cohesive. And I
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Speaker 1: would imagine that, like, for example, being in Boston, fashion
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Speaker 1: is it's not really fashion. It isn't it's covering, it's
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Speaker 1: just protection. It's so cold element and it's like there's
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Speaker 1: no sunshine. It's a little dreary, and you know, people
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Speaker 1: just go into class like sad, like sad. So it's
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Speaker 1: like there wasn't really a whole lot of inspiration to
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, let me go do this. Didn't I
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Speaker 1: have a question? Because my life is always serving some looks.
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Speaker 1: So you can, you can you tell us a little
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Speaker 1: bit about Maline college, But would she like himself? What
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Speaker 1: was she dressing? Like just trying to stay warm. I'm
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Speaker 1: just trying to stay alive. That's so true, though, No,
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Speaker 1: I feel like you were just such a force. Can
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Speaker 1: you remember that about you? Like you went to Cuba
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Speaker 1: and I was like, God, damn, why can't I go
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Speaker 1: to Cuba? And then basically did. Yeah. Then just like
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Speaker 1: calls you and I was like, how do I do that?
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Speaker 1: How do I do this? That's true? That's true. So
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Speaker 1: I mean that's how I always saw you. I saw
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Speaker 1: you as someone who was like super independent, you kind
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Speaker 1: of go getter. You're like always out there, You're like
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Speaker 1: a leader. Like even like freshman year, I was like, look,
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Speaker 1: this is the way. She's from California. So we had
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Speaker 1: a Cali connection, yeah, you know, because we were kind
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Speaker 1: of cold, like but yeah, I mean I definitely think
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Speaker 1: that environment and location and climate changes everything about your clothes,
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Speaker 1: like you your social circles. We have seen that with
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Speaker 1: the Mommy Collected. You know how our styles have evolved
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Speaker 1: because we're always together or we w together and we're
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Speaker 1: like are we doing casual today? Are we doing like
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Speaker 1: high lamb? What are we doing tonight? No, that's so true.
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Speaker 1: Like you know, being in Ghana and depending on who
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Speaker 1: I was around, because sometimes I'm with more and like
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Speaker 1: in the village, which is a very different style than
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Speaker 1: maybe going to like red more red carpet events or
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Speaker 1: something like that. And I feel like I had to
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Speaker 1: learn to kind of transition into this wide range of
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Speaker 1: events of like, Okay, so how do I dress knowing
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Speaker 1: that I have to do this and then that like
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Speaker 1: two hours later. Versatile? Yeah, you know. So that's why
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Speaker 1: I like the versatile things that you dress up and
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Speaker 1: down lots of buttons and kind of pull things apart
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Speaker 1: and make it look very different. Absolutely, And what is
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Speaker 1: it like working with Rosario? Because I love Rosario? Rosario
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Speaker 1: is one of those actresses that I feel like she's
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Speaker 1: worked consistently, but she's always been true to her craft,
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Speaker 1: like she's a true actress, you know, and likely anytime
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Speaker 1: I've seen her in a film, like I see her acting. Um,
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Speaker 1: and I really just like I've always admired her, always
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Speaker 1: admired her, and I think she's so beautiful and she
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Speaker 1: she's so beautiful, and I think it's so cool that
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Speaker 1: you get to work with her. I want to know
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Speaker 1: more a bit about that. Um. Yes, she's amazing. Oh man,
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Speaker 1: go mama, I love her someone, we love her. She
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Speaker 1: is just so incredibly passionate about what she does, but
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Speaker 1: then also incredibly professional you know, and to kind of
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Speaker 1: see her go in and out from you know, maybe
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Speaker 1: talking to you on the side about one thing or
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Speaker 1: an other. But she also has a very good eye,
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Speaker 1: and so she has a lot of feedback for people,
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Speaker 1: and she's really amazing mentor. And I think she's really
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Speaker 1: open to teaching people and using her experience to kind
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Speaker 1: to be a platform for others. I think that's the
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Speaker 1: whole point of studio in any nine. Her in a
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Speaker 1: rama really wanted to be a platform to give awareness
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Speaker 1: and maybe elevate the crafts of what was already in
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Speaker 1: kind tree and what was tradition um. And so I
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Speaker 1: think that was something I really looked up to her about,
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Speaker 1: was how she could kind of navigate in between being
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Speaker 1: like this persona like outside but then coming in and
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Speaker 1: then being such a mentor, so loving but then so
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Speaker 1: passionate about what she does, but then also you know,
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Speaker 1: knows how to work get her stuff done. She goes
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Speaker 1: in the shoot, it's like three images, perfect shots, boom done,
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Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, It's like some people
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Speaker 1: go in and it's like it takes a little while
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Speaker 1: to like feel it with the camera or you know,
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Speaker 1: get the vibe right. But she's just like, yeah, she's
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Speaker 1: just the boss. And you just see her put that
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Speaker 1: face on. You're like, she's at work. Yeah, like she
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Speaker 1: didn't come to play, you know. So I thought that was,
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Speaker 1: you know, really inspired to be around like that kind
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Speaker 1: of woman that you know, so dynamic. I love it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love her. I'm so happy for you that you've
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Speaker 1: gotten the chance to work with somebody like her. And
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Speaker 1: I think, um, now this is a good place for
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Speaker 1: us to take a little break and play our song
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Speaker 1: to a song break or call ros and and and
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Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and
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Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and ro
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Speaker 1: and and and send it roa and and and send
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Speaker 1: ro and and and and ummmm from from from from
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Speaker 1: from from of it and ship m and we're back.
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Speaker 1: And so now coming back into this capitulo. You know,
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Speaker 1: this is is basically Look Upistemologies Part two. And we're
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Speaker 1: really happy, um Kayla to have you here to join
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Speaker 1: us in this conversation. So happy to be here, guy. Yes,
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Speaker 1: So just to recap our first ever copilo was called
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Speaker 1: look Up Pistemologies, and we basically talked about this trope,
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Speaker 1: this ongoing you know, this ongoing phenomenon that we see
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Speaker 1: like in a lot of our Latin American folklore, especially
20:26
Speaker 1: speaking specifically about like Chicano Mexican Mexican American folklore, talking
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Speaker 1: about Laona, right, um Lama la different female figures in
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Speaker 1: history that have always been taught to us and read
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Speaker 1: to us as being you know, look as in a
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Speaker 1: very negative way and in look up pistemologies. What we
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Speaker 1: try to do is unpack that, flip the script, and
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Speaker 1: look at that woman, that figure as a survivor, as
20:53
Speaker 1: someone who has survived trauma and her behavior is a
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Speaker 1: response to trauma. Right. So we're continuing that discussion and
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Speaker 1: we're bringing in more examples of that trope and historically
21:04
Speaker 1: of women who have been really traumatized but then also punished.
21:09
Speaker 1: And I think in our day to day lives, we
21:11
Speaker 1: can see even on the Internet, women that are women
21:15
Speaker 1: of color, especially films that are talking about you know,
21:18
Speaker 1: hashtag men or trash, are being told that they're crazy.
21:22
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope the love of your life sees this,
21:25
Speaker 1: sees your Twitter page and decides not to be with
21:26
Speaker 1: you anymore. Like that, like men talking trying to clap
21:30
Speaker 1: back but actually not saying anything anything, per usual, per usual. So,
21:34
Speaker 1: and Kayla, you were talking to us before we started
21:38
Speaker 1: recording about a good example of a look apistemology, right right. Um,
21:44
Speaker 1: So I love the book Beloved by Tony Morrison. And
21:47
Speaker 1: she has this really strong character, UM called named Seeth.
21:52
Speaker 1: And she is this woman who leaves slavery you know,
21:57
Speaker 1: in the South, and walks herself to Ohio where she
22:01
Speaker 1: starts her new life. She has kids, and she has
22:04
Speaker 1: such a such a painful history, you know, and such
22:08
Speaker 1: painful encounters with I think white people in general. Um,
22:12
Speaker 1: because this is you know, around civil warsh time period.
22:15
Speaker 1: And so there is a point in the Knovil He'll know.
22:19
Speaker 1: I want to give away the whole novelment, but but
22:21
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's a it's a work that's
22:24
Speaker 1: been out Yeah, okay, so it's been study. It's true,
22:27
Speaker 1: It's true. Okay. So, so basically towards the end, you know,
22:31
Speaker 1: you find out that there's this huge conflicted history there
22:35
Speaker 1: because as a way to protect her children from the
22:40
Speaker 1: pain and the suffering of being just black in America
22:44
Speaker 1: in that time, when she's confronted with the clan, she
22:47
Speaker 1: opts to kill her one of her own kids, and
22:49
Speaker 1: it became this huge news story, and then she was
22:53
Speaker 1: ostracized from the black community. She had no space. It
22:56
Speaker 1: became this you know, overly bearing um trauma for her
23:01
Speaker 1: in addition to what she had already been experiencing. You know.
23:05
Speaker 1: But I think that kind of touches right along the
23:09
Speaker 1: lines of what you're talking about, how it's like this continuous,
23:12
Speaker 1: continuing narrative for so long with women of color, whether
23:15
Speaker 1: it's you know, fans in Latin America or in the US.
23:20
Speaker 1: You know, that's just unfortunately something that's persistent for so
23:25
Speaker 1: so long. Yeah. Absolutely, And I think that it's also
23:29
Speaker 1: so interesting that in a lot of different whether it's
23:32
Speaker 1: like US United States context or in Latin America, you
23:37
Speaker 1: do have stories of people either killing themselves to avoid
23:43
Speaker 1: being conquered or enslaved, or killing their children or setting
23:47
Speaker 1: oneself on fire, right to basically free yourself of trauma
23:51
Speaker 1: and confinement here on earth. But obviously there's also this
23:57
Speaker 1: conflicting phenomenon where anybody who is deemed or considered suicidal, right,
24:04
Speaker 1: that's a very negative thing, and there's a lot of
24:06
Speaker 1: stigma and people are not really allowed to have that
24:09
Speaker 1: type of agency over their own life because they're just crazy.
24:15
Speaker 1: Doesn't account for like the crazy making that happens in
24:17
Speaker 1: their life, right, the systems that led to that behavior.
24:20
Speaker 1: It's not just that they woke up that way, right.
24:23
Speaker 1: And you were you, Kayla, you were telling us a
24:25
Speaker 1: little bit about reading Beloved while in Ghana, right, you know.
24:29
Speaker 1: And I think for me it's such a powerful experience
24:32
Speaker 1: as someone who identifies with the diaspora, um, like on
24:36
Speaker 1: both sides of my family from very different parts of
24:38
Speaker 1: the continent, um and then being in Ghana where there
24:42
Speaker 1: are a lot of slave castles just lining the coast,
24:46
Speaker 1: and so to kind of look out into the water
24:49
Speaker 1: and know that this was somebody's maybe last chance, you know,
24:53
Speaker 1: seeing what they knew, and kind of reading these stories
24:57
Speaker 1: of the trauma that happened hundreds of years into that process,
25:02
Speaker 1: you know, to me, it's just it's really incredible. It's
25:06
Speaker 1: really like it's difficult to kind of process sometimes how
25:11
Speaker 1: that has persisted for so long, and that you have
25:14
Speaker 1: these places, like these monuments, these slave castles that are everywhere,
25:19
Speaker 1: and it created this whole entire people like this diaspora
25:24
Speaker 1: that's kind of really in between in many senses and
25:29
Speaker 1: picking up Beloved and Ghana? Had you read the Beloved
25:32
Speaker 1: was written by Tony Morrison, right, um and uh a
25:37
Speaker 1: while ago. It's not a recent work, right, but it's
25:41
Speaker 1: also I think one of her most critically acclaimed and
25:45
Speaker 1: most celebrated work. Definitely, Uh that a lot of people read,
25:49
Speaker 1: probably like in college courses, um and and in different contexts.
25:54
Speaker 1: But had you read Beloved before Ghana or what was
25:57
Speaker 1: like your your motivation to read it while you were there? So?
26:00
Speaker 1: I actually hadn't read it before, but it's my mom's
26:03
Speaker 1: favorite book, and so before I had left, she had
26:05
Speaker 1: told me I should read it, and so I did. Yeah,
26:10
Speaker 1: very nice, very nice. And while you were in Ghana,
26:13
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you did visit like slave castles. Yeah,
26:17
Speaker 1: I did. Did you go by yourself? Did you go
26:20
Speaker 1: with others in a group? Like? How did you approach
26:23
Speaker 1: that experience? Yeah? So the first time I went, I
26:26
Speaker 1: went with my aunt and it was really surreal and
26:32
Speaker 1: it's a very kind of haunting place to be. Um
26:39
Speaker 1: to also kind of think that's so much suffering that
26:43
Speaker 1: leads to still a lot of suffering today, you know,
26:46
Speaker 1: kind of many respects kind of started there and they
26:50
Speaker 1: kind of think of what maybe others were thinking was
26:54
Speaker 1: going on, because it would have been such a mind boggling,
26:58
Speaker 1: out of body experience I imagine, um. And so to
27:02
Speaker 1: kind of sit there and kind of pay respects to
27:04
Speaker 1: the ancestors, I kind of like to go, even though
27:08
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable with many respects, but um, I do like
27:13
Speaker 1: to go and visit and kind of remember what was,
27:17
Speaker 1: and also, you know, in a more positive light, to
27:19
Speaker 1: remember the resilience of our people, the people in Cuba
27:23
Speaker 1: who still hold on to those drugging traditions, or the
27:26
Speaker 1: people who are in Mississippi and they still eat their yam,
27:30
Speaker 1: you know. So to think that even though we left
27:33
Speaker 1: or were taken, there's still that remnants of Africa in us,
27:38
Speaker 1: so much so in our culture. And so for me,
27:40
Speaker 1: I try to take it as a more inspiring, um,
27:44
Speaker 1: like remembering that we've come from so much. You said
27:50
Speaker 1: something when we stepped out, you said something about, actually
27:53
Speaker 1: there's a lot of organizing happening in Ghana or in
27:55
Speaker 1: a crop by folks our age. Can you touch a
27:59
Speaker 1: little bit upon that. Yeah, I think right now, the diaspora,
28:03
Speaker 1: whether it's people who identify as Ghanaian American who maybe
28:07
Speaker 1: grew up in the US, or maybe one parent is
28:10
Speaker 1: since Switzerland, one Stundian, or they're like me where they
28:14
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have a more direct familial tie to Ghana,
28:18
Speaker 1: but they're of color or they're black, are coming and
28:22
Speaker 1: going back to Ghana to try to build businesses and
28:26
Speaker 1: start up platforms to really support the communities there. Um.
28:32
Speaker 1: I met so many people who either grew up in
28:34
Speaker 1: Amsterdam or London or you know, Chicago, and they were
28:38
Speaker 1: going back to Ghana because they felt like it was
28:41
Speaker 1: the time now to use the skills that they had
28:44
Speaker 1: learned maybe in a more western school and to kind
28:47
Speaker 1: of bring that knowledge back to see how they could
28:51
Speaker 1: you know, use it in such a way that would
28:53
Speaker 1: be um more positive in the context of where they were.
28:58
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of projects where there it's like
29:00
Speaker 1: curating art or creating platforms for music. There's a new
29:04
Speaker 1: African Film Society um that just started up. Um, there's
29:09
Speaker 1: a lot of really I mean the project with Rosario
29:11
Speaker 1: and Abrima. You know, there's a lot of projects I
29:14
Speaker 1: think that are starting to really get a lot of
29:18
Speaker 1: energy and um, a lot of positivity and people are
29:22
Speaker 1: you know, really taking it seriously. So I find that
29:25
Speaker 1: to be really inspiring, that energy and that creativity. Yeah,
29:30
Speaker 1: and do you see yourself continuing to work in fashion
29:34
Speaker 1: at your your background as an international relations right, do
29:37
Speaker 1: you still continue to see yourself working in fashion or
29:41
Speaker 1: or taking a different direction and staying in the creative field. Um,
29:45
Speaker 1: I mean I love working with the creative field. And
29:48
Speaker 1: I think that there is overlap because I mean, when
29:52
Speaker 1: you study international relations, you're looking at cultures and peoples
29:55
Speaker 1: and economies, and that's no different than what we're doing
29:59
Speaker 1: because we're in a different country. We're working with artisans
30:03
Speaker 1: from Burkina, Fosso from Molly, from Ghana, and we're trying
30:06
Speaker 1: to like literally create economies and like build a supply chain.
30:11
Speaker 1: So the idea is, you know, if you have raw
30:14
Speaker 1: materials and country that you can sell for cheap and
30:17
Speaker 1: keep the processes in country, then that's a lot of
30:20
Speaker 1: jobs within that chain that you're keeping there. That's a
30:23
Speaker 1: lot of money that you're keeping there that people can
30:25
Speaker 1: use to do what they need to as opposed to
30:28
Speaker 1: you know, selling it to China or the U S
30:31
Speaker 1: or Europe, which is I think what typically happened because
30:34
Speaker 1: there isn't always the infrastructure to do it. So I
30:37
Speaker 1: think for me, it's not necessarily that different, um, because
30:42
Speaker 1: you know, we still work with the u N, we
30:44
Speaker 1: work with the International Trade Center, We work with a
30:47
Speaker 1: lot of these organizations that you would consider to be
30:50
Speaker 1: more traditionally UM international relations, I guess it. And fashion.
30:56
Speaker 1: Although fashion, I think is considered to be something that
30:59
Speaker 1: is very like women focus, very you know that the
31:03
Speaker 1: fashion industry is very much dominated by men, right, male
31:07
Speaker 1: designers and other business people. In the context that you're
31:13
Speaker 1: working in with fashion, do you see the same experience
31:16
Speaker 1: or is it different as far as gender and who's involved.
31:21
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Um mm hmmm. I think within
31:29
Speaker 1: GUNN in fashion, I see a lot more women involved,
31:34
Speaker 1: like at the top. Just based even on your posts
31:37
Speaker 1: and what I've seen in your posts, Kayla, I feel
31:40
Speaker 1: like I see a lot of women involved in the
31:43
Speaker 1: work and around you there are I mean pretty much
31:47
Speaker 1: our I mean our entire management team is women, you know,
31:51
Speaker 1: and they make a very conscious choice where they do
31:53
Speaker 1: their look books and the creative shoots, to have women
31:56
Speaker 1: of color, to have pretty much all very natural makeup,
32:00
Speaker 1: to have a lot of natural hair, and curls, and
32:02
Speaker 1: that's a very conscious decision to have those images out
32:05
Speaker 1: there that way. Um, And that's kind of I think,
32:09
Speaker 1: really picking up because even when we did the Ghana
32:12
Speaker 1: Fashion Week this past year, there was an article that
32:16
Speaker 1: came out about all the natural hair and the models,
32:19
Speaker 1: and I remember seeing it, like comparing it year to year,
32:22
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, oh, there's a lot more natural hair,
32:24
Speaker 1: and I see a lot of curls, and this is
32:26
Speaker 1: really good to see that the hair and makeup is
32:28
Speaker 1: you know, really paying attention to that, and you know
32:32
Speaker 1: people are noticing that. And so I think there are
32:35
Speaker 1: a lot of women that are involved in fashion and
32:39
Speaker 1: Ghane like in particular. I think in the industry as
32:42
Speaker 1: a whole, I think the people at the top, the
32:45
Speaker 1: more decision making positions, tend to be more male dominated.
32:49
Speaker 1: But I think at least where it is right now,
32:52
Speaker 1: from what I could see in Ghana, I feel like
32:54
Speaker 1: there's a lot of brands run by a lot of
32:56
Speaker 1: really strong women. That's that's amazing, especially you're talking about
33:02
Speaker 1: like the hair and makeup behind it, because we can see,
33:04
Speaker 1: like a New York Fashion Week, all the cultural appropriation
33:07
Speaker 1: that happens by these white designers, right, using the baby hairs,
33:11
Speaker 1: using like putting corn rolls on white women, white models, right,
33:15
Speaker 1: very very fair skinned, skinny like traditionally quote beautiful. Right.
33:21
Speaker 1: And then the hoops that have been a thing as well,
33:23
Speaker 1: so many, so many things, so many things have been
33:25
Speaker 1: appropriated at New York Fashion Week, or maybe the more
33:28
Speaker 1: European ones. So to see that very intentional natural hair
33:33
Speaker 1: and makeup, I think that's that's incredible and very conscientious
33:37
Speaker 1: of what they want the brand to be, right. Yeah.
33:40
Speaker 1: And I think in general, that's like a trend that
33:42
Speaker 1: was starting to see a lot more in Ghana. Was
33:44
Speaker 1: I think there's this misconception that if something is nice
33:48
Speaker 1: or if it's good, it's Western, you know, And so
33:53
Speaker 1: you see a lot of like cheaply painted gold things
33:57
Speaker 1: or whatever that there's like China appeal to, like this
34:00
Speaker 1: very Western standard of what even like like interior design,
34:05
Speaker 1: you know, and you're just like okay, right, But then
34:09
Speaker 1: there's I think there's you know, like I was saying,
34:12
Speaker 1: people of the diaspora who were coming back and saying,
34:15
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really amazing handcrafted items that are
34:21
Speaker 1: from here, whether it's hand woven Kente or it's hand
34:24
Speaker 1: carved tables, or it's um, maybe the braiding. Like there's
34:29
Speaker 1: so many things that are so uniquely African, that are
34:33
Speaker 1: skilled and have a lot of craft and technique, and
34:37
Speaker 1: I think changing the way that the marketing is done
34:39
Speaker 1: around them as opposed to being like, oh it's from Africa,
34:42
Speaker 1: it's like two dollars, but like, you know, someone spent
34:44
Speaker 1: two weeks to leave this garment and then we had
34:47
Speaker 1: to make it into a skirt or we had to
34:49
Speaker 1: do something else, and so just like you would not
34:52
Speaker 1: flinch about paying for something from maybe Cucci or Louis Baton,
34:56
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's a lot that same quality you
34:59
Speaker 1: can get in Africa. And I think the diaspora is
35:03
Speaker 1: really pushing a lot of the people who have stores
35:06
Speaker 1: who tend to feature that type of that craft. They
35:11
Speaker 1: tend to be gunning in but raised in Italy or
35:14
Speaker 1: gunn in raised in the US. So I think it's
35:16
Speaker 1: really interesting how that's working at they're really trying to
35:20
Speaker 1: push that idea of um really appreciating what craftsmanship in
35:25
Speaker 1: West Africa is. I love that you brought that up,
35:29
Speaker 1: because that's something that not we've had this conversation, although
35:33
Speaker 1: not specific to West Africa. But you know, in our
35:37
Speaker 1: Femtech episode, um, we talk about really recognizing and acknowledging,
35:43
Speaker 1: embracing and celebrating those very traditional like indigenous and feminine
35:50
Speaker 1: trade craft skills like weaving basket, weaving stone, Like you're
35:54
Speaker 1: talking about creating handmade cane cloth. Right. As soon as
35:58
Speaker 1: you said that, I was thinking about like blankets made
36:02
Speaker 1: of like alpaca or which are really expensive in Peru, right,
36:06
Speaker 1: And um, well expensive in the sense of like the
36:09
Speaker 1: currency in Peru, not actually like if you're talking dollars, right,
36:13
Speaker 1: but it's really expensive, and it's like, well, why would
36:15
Speaker 1: I pay that much? Well, why wouldn't you pay that
36:17
Speaker 1: much when a woman just well this from an animal,
36:21
Speaker 1: you know, and created this beautiful, intricate pattern. There's a
36:24
Speaker 1: similar movement, right, I think it is. And you know,
36:29
Speaker 1: the thing that's really important is when you're talking about
36:31
Speaker 1: supporting local communities and communities of color, especially women who
36:36
Speaker 1: have often this responsibility of passing down this tradition or
36:40
Speaker 1: this craft if it's not economically viable, like if she
36:44
Speaker 1: can't support her kids on that, then why would she
36:46
Speaker 1: teach your kids to sew? Or why would she teach
36:49
Speaker 1: your kids to leave or to die if it doesn't
36:51
Speaker 1: get them what they need in life. So I think
36:54
Speaker 1: that's another part of preserving the tradition is also you know,
36:58
Speaker 1: if you can find a market for it, then someone's
37:01
Speaker 1: going to continue to do it. It'll write you let
37:05
Speaker 1: the tradition and that ancient knowledge live on in a
37:08
Speaker 1: modern context, in a capitalist context where it's kind of
37:12
Speaker 1: like like produce or perish. It's true, it's true, you know.
37:17
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's interesting because if like in I'm in
37:22
Speaker 1: a more role setting, or if it's more um people
37:26
Speaker 1: who are sometimes you know, more local, maybe they haven't
37:29
Speaker 1: traveled as much. And then they see me wearing like,
37:32
Speaker 1: you know, the batakari, which is like a very traditional
37:35
Speaker 1: garment with Kente, They're like, why why why don't you
37:38
Speaker 1: just wear like pants suit or something, And I'm like,
37:40
Speaker 1: why not? This is so much more beautiful than a pantsuit,
37:45
Speaker 1: Like to be this took way more time and effort,
37:48
Speaker 1: and it's so beautiful and it has this really rich
37:50
Speaker 1: culture to it, like I love this and its symbols
37:53
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean. So I think kind
37:56
Speaker 1: of changing the mentality will take a lot of time,
38:00
Speaker 1: and I think it's something that a lot of young
38:03
Speaker 1: people are kind of working towards just like really embracing that. Yeah.
38:07
Speaker 1: That that makes me think, like how how we perceive
38:10
Speaker 1: what professional looks like? Right? We talked about that a
38:13
Speaker 1: lot on the podcast, but like why wouldn't you wear
38:15
Speaker 1: a pants suit? Right? That that's how the question It's like, well,
38:18
Speaker 1: does this mean I can do my job less? Like
38:20
Speaker 1: can I do it? You know? Can I not do
38:22
Speaker 1: it as effect that we're as well just because I'm
38:24
Speaker 1: wearing right the professionally? Yeah, exactly, what's the real issue? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Wow,
38:31
Speaker 1: there's so much there too, because you can talk about
38:33
Speaker 1: how you know, I think that we are of a
38:36
Speaker 1: I think each passing generation, especially if you're of color
38:40
Speaker 1: or if you're of the diaspora, then there is this
38:44
Speaker 1: ability for us maybe to let go of certain like
38:48
Speaker 1: respectability being that are imposed to have been imposed, and
38:53
Speaker 1: I think also like to be able to reclaim things,
38:56
Speaker 1: right because if you're a child of immigrants, you're I
38:58
Speaker 1: think you your parents are their immigrants. They're trying to
39:01
Speaker 1: assimilate right there, trying to Usually that that's usually the case, right,
39:05
Speaker 1: of course, not for everyone, but that is the case,
39:07
Speaker 1: so that if you're a child of immigrants, I think
39:09
Speaker 1: you have that privilege to be able to try and
39:12
Speaker 1: reclaim something as opposed to your parents maybe trying to
39:14
Speaker 1: forget that's something true. I don't know. I think maybe
39:17
Speaker 1: there's something there. No, it's true, you know, And kind
39:22
Speaker 1: of I think as somebody who grew up with my
39:27
Speaker 1: mom being American but then my dad being Columbian and
39:29
Speaker 1: kind of having both of that, I did feel like
39:33
Speaker 1: there was a push to be more American, but then
39:38
Speaker 1: kind of me, I always just felt more comfortable with
39:42
Speaker 1: my like Columbia family or with my I don't know,
39:45
Speaker 1: with like when we were I don't know. So I
39:48
Speaker 1: think it's just really interesting kind of what sometimes people
39:52
Speaker 1: think is like an advantage and they're trying to give
39:54
Speaker 1: it to you. Like some people will like straighten your
39:56
Speaker 1: hair because they see it as like you can't s
40:00
Speaker 1: vibe your environment unless you, you know, fit into a
40:03
Speaker 1: certain standard, when you know in reality, it's like this
40:07
Speaker 1: just grows on my head. Yeah, y'all need to stop
40:10
Speaker 1: being so right, And if that can, I can I ask, like,
40:15
Speaker 1: how has your your experience been like wearing your natural
40:18
Speaker 1: hair in the United States? Versus in Ghana. Have you
40:21
Speaker 1: noticed a difference? Is it the same have like, is
40:24
Speaker 1: there definitely a different way that you're looked at or
40:26
Speaker 1: treating I think so, But I think in Ghana it's
40:30
Speaker 1: just it's so layered though because they're some people perceived
40:35
Speaker 1: me as white, which I would never get in I have.
40:38
Speaker 1: I have heard that before from the Tufts and Ghana
40:42
Speaker 1: like groups like at Tufts who had gone and studied
40:45
Speaker 1: and then they came back, And that's something that I
40:48
Speaker 1: had heard that basically, if you're not going to nay
40:50
Speaker 1: In like by birth, right, then you're white or you're
40:54
Speaker 1: like and you're a foreigner right. No, it's true, like
40:58
Speaker 1: I've had, he will be very confused about you're obviously
41:03
Speaker 1: not African, so you're white and interesting. It's like a
41:07
Speaker 1: very like in their head, it's a very binary situation
41:11
Speaker 1: of what race is um. But then also because of that,
41:17
Speaker 1: there's a lot of privileges that I'm not used to
41:20
Speaker 1: there then when I'm here, so like I remember a
41:23
Speaker 1: friend of mine actually pointed out to me how like
41:26
Speaker 1: just like something small like the waiters were extra attentive
41:29
Speaker 1: to me, and then like and she's African, she's Cameramonian
41:33
Speaker 1: and they and she's darker skin and they completely like
41:36
Speaker 1: didn't even pay attention to what she was doing, got it?
41:40
Speaker 1: And she kept trying to ask for help, And the
41:42
Speaker 1: tension always seemed to like divert itself to me. And
41:46
Speaker 1: I think in the moment I didn't really notice, um,
41:49
Speaker 1: but and I started to like see a lot more,
41:53
Speaker 1: you know, like there are areas where I think, if
41:57
Speaker 1: you're dressed a certain way and you're Ghanaian or your Africans,
42:01
Speaker 1: sometimes I can be a little picky about are you
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Speaker 1: supposed to be in this space versus like someone like
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Speaker 1: me who's very much either mixed for them or like
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Speaker 1: American or just European or just not you know, from
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Speaker 1: somewhere else. They totally less slide, very totally less sly,
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Speaker 1: like because there was there in the times where people
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Speaker 1: would ask me it was there like a dress clode
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Speaker 1: for certain places, and I'm like, I don't think so,
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, and I just kind of go
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Speaker 1: however I am. And then you know, maybe a friend
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Speaker 1: who's maybe more African would have an issue. Okay. So
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Speaker 1: I also ran into that, which is something I didn't
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Speaker 1: really experience as a black woman in America because it
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Speaker 1: was never in my favor. So that was kind of
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Speaker 1: an interesting thing that kind of adjust to to learn
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Speaker 1: to be aware of that. And I think that's a
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Speaker 1: really interesting experience that especially when you go to any
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Speaker 1: quote unquote like global South or world location, whether it
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Speaker 1: be like we both have, we saw this in Cuba, right,
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Speaker 1: whether you're in Cuba, somewhere else in the Caribbean, Latin America, Mexico, Colombia,
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Speaker 1: or whatever country you're in on the African continent, that
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Speaker 1: people who live in that place, were born in that place,
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Speaker 1: work in that place, are going to be treated way
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Speaker 1: worse than any visitor or tourists or foreigner, even regardless
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Speaker 1: of color. Sometimes of the tourist or American or visitor,
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Speaker 1: the person coming from outside in visiting and participating in
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Speaker 1: that tourism economy in some way is treated better. No,
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Speaker 1: it's true, you know, you got that dollar privilege, that's
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Speaker 1: what you call it, exactly, and it's really a shame
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Speaker 1: because it's you know, especially when you're somewhere with your
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Speaker 1: family and then you see it happened to your cousins,
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Speaker 1: like against you kind of thing, and it's like that
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Speaker 1: literally is the same, like we're the same, like we're
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Speaker 1: literally people. You know that can be kind of painful,
43:59
Speaker 1: like colorialism, colonialism, there's so much to say about it.
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Speaker 1: That's like that's several other pastage for the future. But
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Speaker 1: you know, um, we're coming towards the end of our
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Speaker 1: time here, to the end of Brown Girl Hour. So
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Speaker 1: I just want to say Kayla again, thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: And Kayla's just kind of here in between her travels.
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Speaker 1: Where are you going next? I'm going to Malawi, which
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Speaker 1: is in southeastern Africa. I'll be working with a tough
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Speaker 1: scrap also Latina Latina. Yes, she's creating her own fashion line,
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Speaker 1: Ethical fashion is support local women seamstresses. Her name's Renata
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Speaker 1: and the brand is called Mwaiti. So I'll be helping
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Speaker 1: them step their operations. Amazing, that's amazing. These South Americans
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Speaker 1: just doing it just right. We want to wait, we
44:57
Speaker 1: just have interesting I love it it. Yes, and we
45:01
Speaker 1: have one more song, right, so can can we talk
45:04
Speaker 1: about the song that we're going to end with? And
45:07
Speaker 1: if you want to say any anything else to our listeners, Kayla,
45:11
Speaker 1: like you want to leave the name of your blog
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Speaker 1: again or any other information. This is your time, okay, um, well,
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Speaker 1: so just check out my Instagram. You can follow my
45:23
Speaker 1: travels because I'll be in Malawi, possibly back in Ghana.
45:28
Speaker 1: Who knows where I'll be right so you know I
45:32
Speaker 1: always have a lot of interesting posts and be a
45:34
Speaker 1: lot of really interesting people in the arts and the
45:36
Speaker 1: creative sectors um and linked to my um blog is
45:41
Speaker 1: there to kindle experiences. It's in Spanish and English. Um
45:44
Speaker 1: so I talked about my experiences in Africa now and
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Speaker 1: more generally as afric Latina Kayla once again, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much so and listeners, thank you once again for
45:57
Speaker 1: tuning in to another cup Beat the Little Brown Girl Hour.
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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time, Besso.