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- Lucas: So there's this story from about two years ago — a SaaS company based out of Austin, they were trying to land a $2.1 million contract with a major logistics firm. And the deal was already warm, the buyer had invited them to pitch. But the rep showed up with a 30-page deck and a script that started with 'before I begin, let me tell you a little about who we are.'. Luna: Oof. I think I know where this is going. Did the buyer stop them? Lucas: Didn't have to. The rep got through the first three slides, and the VP of Operations literally said 'I have seen your website. I know who you are. Can we talk about my problem?' And instead of pivoting, the rep said 'Absolutely, but first let me set the stage for our platform' and kept going. Forty minutes later, the VP said 'I'm sorry, I have another meeting. We'll follow up.' They never did. Luna: That's brutal. But it's also a classic case of — what do we call it? — the script trap. Lucas: Exactly. And that's what I want to drill into today: why a script — something that's supposed to make you more confident — can actually kill a deal, especially a large one. Because when you're dealing with six or seven figures, the buyer needs to feel that you understand their specific context, not that you're reciting a monologue. Luna: Right. I mean, scripts work in some contexts — maybe for entry-level BDRs making cold calls. But for enterprise sales? It's almost insulting. Lucas: It is. And there's actually research to back this up. Corporate Visions, a sales training firm, did a study a few years ago where they tested two approaches: a scripted pitch versus a consultative conversation. The scripted approach scored 23% lower on buyer trust and 17% lower on intent to purchase. Buyers can literally hear the difference. Luna: So what's the alternative? Just wing it? Lucas: No, no. The alternative is a flexible framework — not a script. The best salespeople I've studied, like John Barrows, who runs JBarrows Sales Training, they use what he calls 'talking points' not 'lines'. You know your key value props, your stories, your proof points. But you deliver them in response to what the buyer says, not in a predetermined order. Luna: That requires serious listening. And a lot of reps are nervous, so they default to their safety blanket: the script. Lucas: Exactly. Nervousness is the root cause. Your brain is flooded with cortisol, your working memory shrinks, and you cling to the one thing you practiced. But here's the thing: the buyer is nervous too. They're making a high-stakes decision. So they're looking for signals that you're competent and trustworthy. A script signals the opposite — it signals that you're not present. Luna: So what's the fix? How do you train yourself to stay off script? Lucas: There's a technique I love that I learned from a negotiation professor at Harvard Business School. It's called the 'three-question method'. Before any meeting, you prepare just three questions that you must ask. And you ask them in the first ten minutes. That forces you to listen, because you're genuinely curious about the answers. And it sets a conversational tone. Luna: Okay, give me an example. What would those three questions have been for that Austin SaaS company trying to sell to the logistics firm? Lucas: First question: 'What specifically prompted you to take this meeting today?' That gets at urgency. Second: 'What have you tried before, and why didn't it work?' That shows you understand they're not starting from scratch. Third: 'What does a successful outcome look like for you personally?' That's the killer question — it gets at their metrics and their career incentives. Luna: I love that third one. Because it's about them, not your product. Lucas: Exactly. And if you ask those three questions, you will naturally elicit the information you need to tailor your pitch. You won't need the script because you'll be reacting to what they just said. 'Oh, you tried vendor X and it failed because of implementation? Let me tell you how our implementation is different.' Luna: So the framework replaces the script. But is there ever a case where a script is the right call? Lucas: I think there are two scenarios. One: very low-stakes, high-volume calls — like a BDR doing 50 cold calls a day. There, a script can help you maintain consistency and handle objections quickly. Two: compliance-heavy industries like insurance or financial services where you legally must say certain things. But even then, the best reps internalize those requirements and make them sound natural. Luna: Okay, but let's be honest: a lot of companies force their sales teams to use scripts. How do you push back without getting fired? Lucas: Great question. I've seen reps handle this by recording their calls — with permission — and then showing their manager the difference. They'll play a clip where they used the script and got a dead end, then a clip where they went off script and got a positive reaction. Data speaks louder than arguments. Luna: That's smart. Also, managers often think scripts protect the brand voice, but if the brand voice sounds like a robot, that's not protection, that's a liability. Lucas: Exactly. And here's one more concrete thing: there's a company called Gong, the conversation analytics platform. They've analyzed millions of sales calls, and one of their key findings is that the top-performing reps talk less than the average rep. They spend about 43% of the call talking, versus 55% for average reps. That means they listen more. A script forces you to talk more. It's literally the opposite of what works. Luna: Forty-three percent. So the best reps are actually quiet for more than half the call. That's powerful. Lucas: It is. And it's counterintuitive. Most reps think 'I need to prove my value by telling them everything.' But the buyer needs to feel heard. When they feel heard, they trust you. And trust is what closes deals, not a perfectly worded pitch. Luna: So what's the one thing you would tell a rep who has a big call tomorrow? Just one actionable piece of advice. Lucas: Write down three questions. Not a script. Practice asking those questions and then shutting up. Let the silence hang. If they take thirty seconds to answer, that's fine. Your only job for the first part of the call is to understand their world. The script can stay in your desk drawer. Luna: I think that's the kind of advice that actually makes a difference. I'm going to use that myself. Lucas: Good. And next week, I want to talk about the flip side: what to do when the buyer gives you a script — their own set of requirements — and you have to push back without losing the deal. Luna: That'll be good. Because that happens all the time. Lucas: It does. But for now, the takeaway is simple: if you want to close big deals, don't write lines. Write questions. And then listen.