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Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s Deposition in Edwards and Cassell v. Alan Dershowitz (Part 6) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with a Virginia Roberts deposition against
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  Alan Dershowitz. Question the second dinner, how did it redacted
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  get there? Answer? Either by voter or by helicopter. There's
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  only two ways to the island question, so you don't know.
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  Answer no question, So tell me the circumstances of meeting redacted. Answer.
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  It's a little hazy at where that took place. I mean,
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  we're going back a long time, But I do remember
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  one thing about him. I thought he was a wonderful
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  guy who loved his wife, and they spent the entire
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  time like there was nothing else around them. It was
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  just those two. It was a dinner table, a long
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  dinner table with people around, but they were just lovely.
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  Just watching them as a couple. I remember thinking, you know,
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  he's somebody that I would definitely vote for. He's just
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  somebody that loves his wife that much. Question what was
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  the purpose of this dinner? Answer? As usual, I'm not
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  told these kinds of things. I'm just kind of there
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  to sit down and look pretty and keep my mouth
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  shut question who else was there? Answer? I'm not too sure.
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  Question this was on the island? Right answer, It could
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  have been the island, but I could be mistaken it.
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  If it was the island, it could have been New York.
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  I'm not going to commit myself to saying it was
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  definitely the island. My memory is still hazy when it
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  comes to locations or places. We were traveling everywhere a lot. Question,
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  and I understand that at some point you were using
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  ZATX Correct answer correct question. At some point you were
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  up to eight zat X a day. Correct mcauleay objection,
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  special master, you can answer. Answer. I was suffering a
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  lot mentally coping with what was happening, and when I
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  took zan X, it helped me forget a lot of
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  the things that I didn't want to think about for
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  that day, and it did help. Question at some point
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  you were using aid xan X a day as part
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  of your Virginia cuts her off. Answer to start with,
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  I was only taking one or two, but yes, I
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  did get up to eight in the end. Question did
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  it affect your ability to recall certain events? Answer? I
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  would say any drug is going to do that to you,
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  so yes, you know, but I can tell you one
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  thousand percent that just because I might not remember a
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  location or a time does not mean I don't know
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  one thousand percent the people that I was with or
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  the people that abused me. Question you told the FBI
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  it affected your ability to recall certain events? Correct answer yes,
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  McAuley objection. Give me a chance to object. Borgia. Question
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  do you know how approximately when you were up to
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  eight xanax a day? Answer towards the end. Question what
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  does that mean to you? Answer? Probably from nineteen onwards?
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  Or no, sorry, eighteen onwards. Question were you using any
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  other medication or drugs in order to address your pain
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  and suffering? Answer? I did smoke marijuana, and sometimes at
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  parties I would use ecstasy. Question anything else? Answer no.
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  Question how often were you smoking marijuana? Answer considering I
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  was with Jeffrey most of the time, not then, but
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  whenever I went back to Palm Beach to see my boyfriend,
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  maybe once a week out of a month. Question how
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  often were you using ecstasy? Answer at parties? I don't know.
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  I mean, it wasn't a regular basis. It was because
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  if I was at a party with a whole bunch
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  of kids, if I was there, I would take it.
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  Question did you use it during times that you were
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  being sexually trafficked? Answer no. Question how often were these
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  parties when you were taking it? Answer how often were
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  the parties? It varies. It could be like, are we
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  talking about yearly basis, because it wasn't every month? Question okay,
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  during the timeframe of ninety nine to two thousand and two.
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  Answer probably about fifteen parties. That's a rough estimate. No way,
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  it's that a certain number. Question other than marijuana, the ecstasy,
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  and the xatax, were you using other medication or alcohol
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  that you were using? Answer? Oh, alcohol, Yes, I was
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  drinking alcohol at the parties. Question Did you drink alcohol
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  outside of parties? Answer sometimes? Question at dinners? Answer sometimes?
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  Question anything else? Answer no. Question. You mentioned that you
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  were about one week in your apartment with redacted. Was
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  that a consistent arrangement through the period? Answer no, I'm
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  just roughly saying that, you know, if I was at
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  home with redacted, at my apartment with redacted, and it
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  was for a week, that would be how long I
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  smoked marijuana for. I wasn't saying specifically I was there
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  for a week. It could have been three days. It
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  could have been five days, It could have been seven days.
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  I'm not too sure. Question between ninety nine and two
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  thousand and two? How many places did you live? Answer
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  like my own or like Jeffrey's residences? Question putting aside
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  when you were staying at a home one of the
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  mansions that mister Epstein owned. How many places did you live?
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  Answer just one? Question was that an apartment building? Answer? Actually,
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  let me correct that. At first I lived at my
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  parents' house. Then I got an apartment. Question you lived
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  at the apartment the entire period between ninety nine and
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  two thousand and two. McAuley objection, Go ahead, Answer beside
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  my parents' house. Yes, that's the only place I lived.
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  Question during what period did Redacted live with you? Answer?
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  On and off? But from I don't know when our
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  relationship actually started. I think I was with Jeffrey before. Yeah,
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  I was with Jeffrey already. Question so on and off
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  between ninety nine and two thousand and two? Answer yes,
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  Question is Redacted a truthful person? Answer? I believe so.
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  Question why did you say, Well, it's the basis for
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  your statement earlier that you didn't think Redacted understood what
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  you were telling them about Professor Dershowitz. McAuley objection, Special Master,
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  you can answer. Answer, he was my boyfriend and I
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  didn't really get into too much detail with them. Question,
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  but you specifically named Professor Dershowitz as one of your abusers?
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  Answer yes. Question did you name other abusers to redacted?
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  Answer yes? Question did you name other abusers to redacted?
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  Answer yes? Question who did you tell them was sexually
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  abusing you? McAuley objection, mischaracterized the testimony, Special Master, you
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  can answer if you can answer the same people that
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  I've named to you, he wouldn't have understood some of
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  the names. He wouldn't have known who they were. But
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  anyone prominent, such as redacted, he would have recognized that.
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  But generally I would call them every day when I
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  was with Epstein, and I would tell them what happened.
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  Question you would say the names of the people you
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  had sex with? Answer sometimes, I mean, you know. Sometimes
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  I would say I've had a really hard day, this
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  is what I've had to do, and we would get
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  into and we wouldn't get into names. Sometimes I would question,
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  tell me about the first time you met Professor Dershowitz. Answer,
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  are we talking sexually or just introduced. Question the very
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  first time you ever met Professor Dershowitz. Answer, I believe
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  I was in New York in Jeffrey's office. Question what
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  were the circumstances of you being there? Answer to please Jeffrey.
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  Question what were the circumstances of Professor Dershowitz being there? Answer?
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  No idea. I never asked about the business? Question Who
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  else was there? Answer how staff Glayne redacted? Question in
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  this office with yourself Professor Dershowitz and Epstein. Answer, I
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  don't know exactly who was in there. I'm just saying
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  who was at the house. I'm not sure who was
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  in the office. I remember being introduced to him in
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  Jeffrey's office, and no, I cannot recall anyone else being there.
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  Question what office is there? Answer in his mansion in
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  New York? Question can you tell me where that office is? Answer?
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  Up a flight of stairs to your left. Question how
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  long was the meeting? Answer short brief. I was already
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  in there with Jeffrey n. Dershowitz walked in and I
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  was introduced. Question how long was the meeting? McAuley objection
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  asked an answered special master. You can answer if you
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  can answer ten to fifteen minutes. Question, When was the
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  next time you met Professor Dershowitz? Answer? This is very
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  hard for me to remember. Like I said, he was
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  around a lot. So I've seen him in Palm Beach,
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  I've seen him in New York. So I mean, if
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  we're going to pinpoint how many times I've seen him
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  or the next time I saw him after that, I
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  don't know. Question, then tell me. Let's do it this way.
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  What was the most recent time you recall having sex
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  with Professor Dershowitz. McAuley objection. Special Master, you can answer.
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  Answer the first time I recall having sex with Professor
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  Dershowitz was in New York. Question my question was the
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  most recent time. Now, what's the most current, most recent
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  memory of having sex with Professor Dershowitz. McAuley objection. Just
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  so I'm clear, you're going backward. Borgia correct McCauley. The
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  last time, Answer the last time I remember having sex
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  with them? Okay, I believe it was on an airplane.
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  Question Where were you going? Answer? Oh, I believe it
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  was Massachusetts. I don't know. It's very hard for me
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  to remember exactly where we were going. What were the circumstances. Question,
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  So that's the time you testified about earlier? Answer? Yes, ma'am. Question,
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  what was the time prior to that? Answer? You know
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  chronologically it's impossible for me to place these in order.
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  I can tell you about events, but if we're going
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  to say chronologically correct, it would be impossible. Question, will
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  you say there was six times? Right? You are very
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  specific about that. McAuley objection, Special Master, let her get
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  her question out. Go ahead, Borgia. You are very specific
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  about that, right, McAuley objection, Special Master. You can answer. Answer.
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  I'm specific about the fact that I know I have
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  been with Alan Dershowitz at least six times, if not more. Question,
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  So let's talk about what you know about those six times.
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  Let's start with you can pick any one other than
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  the flight that we've talked about. Answer, okay, New York question. Okay,
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  let's start with New York. Answer. I was upstairs in
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  Jeffrey's room with Jeffrey. Question. When you say Jeffrey's room,
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  do you mean his bedroom? Answer yes, question okay. Answer,
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  there's a shower in the middle of that room, and
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  I had just finished having a shower with Jeffrey. Jeffrey
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  got out of the shower, got dressed, and left the room.
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  He was wearing sweatpants. If ire a call, And while
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  I'm undressed and drying myself off and drying my hair,
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  Dershowitz entered the room and there was some red velvet
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  chair that I remember. I don't know. Is there a
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  certain language you want me to use to describe these events? Question? No, McAuley,
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  just use whatever you're comfortable with. That's fine. Answer. We
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  had sexual intercourse on the while I was bent over?
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  Question how long did that last? Answer? Less than ten minutes?
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  Question did you speak to the professor? Answer? Just formalities?
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  But at this time Jeffrey had before trained me to
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  do what he wanted me to do. Question when you
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  say just formalities, what do you mean? Answer? Hi, nice
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  to see you again. How are you? I mean? That
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  could have been not exactly what was said, but those
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  are generalities of what was said. Question who else was
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  in the house at this time? Answer Epstein for a fact,
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  I'm not too sure about Klayne and are adacted? They
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  could have been definitely how staff. Question who answer redacted
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  and or adacted? I'm not too sure. Question how often
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  were you sexually trafficked in Jeffrey Epstein's private bedroom. McAuley objection,
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  which bedroom are you talking about? Borgia the same bedroom
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  in New York that you're talking about. Answer, that's actually
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  the only time besides with Jeffrey, I mean Jeffrey countless.
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  But there was no other men brought to Jeffrey's room.
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  Question who brought Professor Dershowitz to this room? Answer? I
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  have no idea. I'm assuming Epstein. Question help me figure
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  this out. Epstein had just left the room. Answer Epstein
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  exits the room. Dershowitz walks in question same door answer,
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  same door. Question how long before Jeffrey exiting and Professor
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  Dershowitz walking in? Answer? Minutes not even approximately sixty seconds?
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  Question ten minutes later, Once the sex encounter ends, what
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  happens next? Answer? He pulled up his pants and I
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  pulled my towel back on. I went upstairs to my room.
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  My room was downstairs, had another shower, I got dressed.
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  I don't remember the rest of the day from there.
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  Question did you see Professor Dershowitz in the house again
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  that day? Answer? On that day? Question right? Answer? Possibly,
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  I mean, I don't remember. I just remember that event
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  very clearly. Question, so it was unusual that somebody other
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  than Jeffrey to whom you would be sexually trafficked would
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  walk into Jeffrey's bedroom? Is that fair? Answer? Yes? Question
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  did you ask anybody how that came to be? Answer? No,
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  it was expected of me. Question did you talk to
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  Jeffrey about it? Answer? Yes? Question what did you tell Jeffrey?
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  Answer Jeffrey asked me if he enjoyed it? I said yes.
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  Question so the act was consummated McAuley objection. Answer what
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  does consummated mean? McCauley, If you don't know, you don't answer.
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  Special Master, rephrase that, Borgia, what do you mean by
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  your testimony that Professor Dershowitz enjoyed it? McAuley objection mischaracterizes
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  the testimony. Special Master, you can answer if you can answer,
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  I don't even understand. What do you mean? Did he
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  enjoy it? McCauley Take a deep breath. She can reask
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  the question. Answer he enjoyed it? Yes, from what it
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  looked like, my God, Yes, he enjoyed it. Question why
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  do you say that? McCauley, Take a deep breath, Virginia,
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  he had Jack related he was happy, all right, folks,
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  we're gonna wrap up right there, and in the next
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  episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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  we left off. All of the information that goes with
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