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SMNTY Classics: Can a Woman be the Pope? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan.
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  Speaker 1: I never told you a protection of iHeart Radio and today.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we try to be timely. Sometimes sometimes
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  Speaker 1: sometimes it just happens. Sometimes we try. As we're recording this,
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  Speaker 1: it is good Friday, Passover has just happened, it's about
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  Speaker 1: to be Easter. It's very a lot of things going on,
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  Speaker 1: and I had somebody jokingly say to me recently that
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  Speaker 1: it is the Pope's biggest time of the year, which
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  Speaker 1: reminded me of this episode we did, which was literally
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  Speaker 1: just me being like, I have a question, Can a
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  Speaker 1: woman be the Pope? Oh? The answer is no, but
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  Speaker 1: it is interesting history. I thought, because of all of
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  Speaker 1: our discussion we're having around religion right now, would be
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  Speaker 1: a good one to bring back during this time. If
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  Speaker 1: you celebrate any of these things, we hope you're you
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  Speaker 1: have a good a good celebration, and please enjoy this
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  Speaker 1: classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to stuff I've never told you production of iHeartRadio. So
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  Speaker 1: for today's questions, Amantha, I'm just curious, do you have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of knowledge or experiences with the Catholic Church,
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  Speaker 1: The only thing I really know about the Catholic Church
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  Speaker 1: has everything to do with TV, so so like the
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  Speaker 1: Da Vinci Code and or any real horror movies about
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  Speaker 1: possession yea, yea. And of course I know about all
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  Speaker 1: of the scandals within the Catholic Church and a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of the history of the Catholic Church so way
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  Speaker 1: back when with all the wars. That's about it. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the inner and out of all of this,
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  Speaker 1: like being confirmed and all of that. Yea, how about you? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I also have a lot of knowledge from horror movies.
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  Speaker 1: Stave Motta was one of my favorite horror movies when
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  Speaker 1: I was a kid, which was not Eaves, and I
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  Speaker 1: talked about that not good, and I'm sure the Catholic
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  Speaker 1: Church really doesn't like that that our knowledge goes horror movies.
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  Speaker 1: But Katie, who you've now heard on the show, she
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  Speaker 1: was one of my best friends growing up, and she
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  Speaker 1: her family. Her mom is really Catholic and her dad's
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  Speaker 1: really Methodist, which I thought was so cool as a child.
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  Speaker 1: But one time she took me and Katie took me
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  Speaker 1: to church and I think we were nine, to the
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  Speaker 1: Catholic Church, and she was really concerned I was gonna
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  Speaker 1: embarrass her. So she was giving me all these like,
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  Speaker 1: can't do this, you can't do this because you're not Catholic,
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  Speaker 1: you can't do this. And it was only us in
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  Speaker 1: the church, and I was trying to like teaser, and
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  Speaker 1: I just shouted at the top of my lungs, give
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  Speaker 1: me that communion. And it turns out the priest was
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  Speaker 1: actually and I wasn't really thrilled about that. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: then I just sort of sat quietly during the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: I was always kind of jealous about the confession thing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why. And then my ex boyfriend who
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  Speaker 1: I dated for three years, his family was Catholic, and
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  Speaker 1: so I did end up going to a lot of
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  Speaker 1: very long, very long ceremonies. Okay, so I have experience
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  Speaker 1: in that way, but I yeah, I'm not very familiar
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  Speaker 1: outside of what I know from them and what I
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  Speaker 1: know from horror movies. Right for me, my family, who
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  Speaker 1: is very Western Christian Protestant, they're not exactly first Baptists,
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  Speaker 1: they're a little more old school, very mystic for the
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  Speaker 1: lack of better terms. In comparison to so seeing any
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  Speaker 1: other religion outside of our denomination, right was poretical. So
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  Speaker 1: me even trying to step foot into a Catholic church,
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  Speaker 1: I think my mother would have been upset. Outside of
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  Speaker 1: like the cultural area. So I had all the beautiful
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  Speaker 1: art and you know, history of it, and that's about it.
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  Speaker 1: So everything, like growing up, it was just like a
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  Speaker 1: even though I did have a family member who was
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  Speaker 1: a devout Catholic and had the jewelry and had the
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  Speaker 1: Saints and all of that, which I was fascinated by.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by saints in general, but yeah, seeing all
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  Speaker 1: of that, like growing up with that, the Catholics were
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  Speaker 1: the other for my family. Yeah, they did. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that because the religion is so old and has been
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  Speaker 1: so many like movies and TV. And I remember as
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  Speaker 1: a kid being like they drink wine, but oh we
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  Speaker 1: had the Welch's grape juice. We had on the unlove
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  Speaker 1: and breath and foot washings like it was would I
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  Speaker 1: say level of mystical, It was level. Yeah, that's very
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  Speaker 1: Southern Samantha. You're welcome. So oh, I forgot one of
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  Speaker 1: our co workers, I need to look this up after
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  Speaker 1: because I totally forgot about this. His grandfather used to
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  Speaker 1: work at the Vatican and he had a Wikipedia page.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, yeah, but that is for another time.
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  Speaker 1: All is to say, we're doing a very brief look
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  Speaker 1: at why women can't become popes. But clearly Samantha and
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  Speaker 1: I are not religious theologians. We don't know a lot
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  Speaker 1: about the Catholic religion outside of these things we picked
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  Speaker 1: up from friends or entertainment, So please don't turn to
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  Speaker 1: us for that. I'll so we all absolutely recognize that
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  Speaker 1: this is a form of belief and if you believe
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  Speaker 1: in this, that is all you and absolutely that you
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  Speaker 1: need to do what you feel is in your faith
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  Speaker 1: and what keeps you going. Yes, yes, I will say.
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  Speaker 1: Because Katie was my best friend and her family was very,
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  Speaker 1: very religious, this idea of the pope has long been
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  Speaker 1: something of a curiosity to me, and especially because I
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  Speaker 1: loved Harry Potter when we were growing up together, and
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  Speaker 1: the pope, I can't remember which one, but basically one
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  Speaker 1: pope I think it was John Paul said yes, Harry
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  Speaker 1: Potter is fine, and the previous pope had said it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't fine. And so she went from not allowing Katie
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  Speaker 1: to read it to allowing her to read it and
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  Speaker 1: actually suggesting it to me and me being like, huh,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I'm happy we can read it now, but
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  Speaker 1: I mean we could talk about the whole level of
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  Speaker 1: witchcraft and religion in general because my parents were absolutely
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  Speaker 1: we couldn't even dress up. That is again a very
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  Speaker 1: Protestant point. Yeah. Yeah. I had another friend who I
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  Speaker 1: had to sneak Harry Potter to her because her parents
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  Speaker 1: thought it was like anti religious and they would let
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  Speaker 1: her read it. Little troublemaker. I was with the books
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  Speaker 1: you were, look at you. So this episode is brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by my curiosity. I was curious if a
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  Speaker 1: woman could ever be the pope. I have no idea
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  Speaker 1: why this came to my mind, as far as I know,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't consume any news item about it, but I
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  Speaker 1: was just suddenly like, can a woman become the pope?
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  Speaker 1: The answer is no? Right now. The answer is no
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  Speaker 1: because in order to become the pope, he had to
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  Speaker 1: be ordained, and women are currently prohibited from becoming priest.
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  Speaker 1: Worth noting this is based on history, not doctrine. There's
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  Speaker 1: nothing that says women can't become priest or the pope.
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  Speaker 1: The Catholic Church argues that this is based on the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Jesus chose twelve men to be apostles, and
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  Speaker 1: that they in turn chose men to continue their ministries
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  Speaker 1: and their absence. On top of that, during communion, when
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  Speaker 1: Catholics believe that the bread and wine become the body
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ and the priest recites the last words
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ, do this in remembrance of me, the
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  Speaker 1: Church capital c believes that this should physically be a man,
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  Speaker 1: the person administering this, like Jesus was. Even the discussion
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  Speaker 1: of the possibility of women as priests has been called
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  Speaker 1: disrespectful to the Catholic religion. And to reiterate, obviously, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about like the church and the higher ups at
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  Speaker 1: the church. Not all Catholicism has practiced this way. I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure I've heard about, maybe less than official, but
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  Speaker 1: female priests. This is the church's stance, though, this is
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  Speaker 1: their official stance. End of episode. Just kidding, And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna lie as you're talking about this and we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk a little more. I couldn't help about Shonnad O'Connor,
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  Speaker 1: which we've already talked about. Your big mishap in confusing
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  Speaker 1: her with Donna Lewis, and I'm still very upset about
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  Speaker 1: this and I will never find it and I will
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  Speaker 1: never forget it. Like I was like, if you've done cranberries,
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  Speaker 1: anybody but this other person, I would have forgiven you.
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  Speaker 1: But Shonado O'Connor was infamous for ripping the Pope picture
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  Speaker 1: on SNL and got asked it essentially by her whole industry.
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  Speaker 1: She is now a priest that was ordained by a
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  Speaker 1: controversial bishop, Michael Cox, and of course there's this whole
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  Speaker 1: back and forth about whether or not she could be
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  Speaker 1: a priest because she is a woman and her saying
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  Speaker 1: nothing you can do will invalidate my priesthood to specific
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  Speaker 1: people who are trying to say she's not. So I
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  Speaker 1: I find that interesting that she still is well was,
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  Speaker 1: as of this article a part of that industry. I
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  Speaker 1: guess it was in nineteen ninety nine that she did this. Yeah, So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of things that would go
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  Speaker 1: back forth, and I do remember that a part of
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  Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. That is something that is seared into
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  Speaker 1: my brain growing up. Just n f YI. So there
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  Speaker 1: have been some moves to expand positions open to women
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  Speaker 1: in the capital c church. Earlier in twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: sister Natalie Beckhart from France became the first woman appointed
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  Speaker 1: as the under Secretary of the Synod of Bishops, granting
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  Speaker 1: her voting rights. These bishops debate important issues impacting the
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  Speaker 1: Roman Catholic Church and advised the pontiff. This is after
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  Speaker 1: Pope Francis appointed six women to counsel and oversees the
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  Speaker 1: finances of the Vatican, among other positions, and updated church
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  Speaker 1: laws to allow women to serve to the altar and
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  Speaker 1: administer communion. And we know Pope Francis and Pope Benedict
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  Speaker 1: was a little more liberal popes. Yeah, I should ask
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  Speaker 1: Katie how her mom is with Pope Francis, because she
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  Speaker 1: was okay, and the last one the more liberal things
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  Speaker 1: happening that I'm not sure about this, I'm curious. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 1: there has been a soul woman pope, according to medieval legend,
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  Speaker 1: Pope Joan or actually Pope John or Johannes Unclicus, who
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  Speaker 1: was actually a woman named Joan. A thirteenth century monk
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  Speaker 1: wrote about how Pope Joan became pregnant and ended up
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  Speaker 1: giving birth during a church procession. As with smoth, things
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  Speaker 1: like this, though there is a lot of debate whether
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  Speaker 1: this person man or woman even existed. There is recent
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  Speaker 1: archaeological discoveries there have been that indicate that this person
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  Speaker 1: may have existed. Wait, we talk about Joan of arc No, okay,
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  Speaker 1: just just checking. No another religious Joan. There can be
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  Speaker 1: more than one religious Joan. I guess, so I'll allow it.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to come back and revisit this. But
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  Speaker 1: people aren't sure that this person existed, but potentially they did.
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  Speaker 1: And actually these recent discoveries people are using in arguments
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  Speaker 1: about well, if she did exist, then women can't there
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  Speaker 1: is a precedent and women can be pope. So ongoing conversation. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: as you touched on Samantha, there are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other issues with the Catholic Church that we could and
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  Speaker 1: probably will one day talk about. But this is just
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  Speaker 1: me having a random question and hoping that some of
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  Speaker 1: you listeners might have had this question at one point two. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there you go. I didn't. I never knew. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting to think on general about religion and women
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  Speaker 1: in overall arguing and all the issues within religion. Period.
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  Speaker 1: So I could just leave that as a period and
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  Speaker 1: not just the Catholic Church and we've talked a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about that for all. But yeah, so good to
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  Speaker 1: know maybe that was that was a female pope. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: not Ja Yeah, no, a different Joane. And when I
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  Speaker 1: was reading this is a big area of debate about
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  Speaker 1: whether it should be changed at all to allow women
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  Speaker 1: to become pope, to become the pope, and even proponents
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  Speaker 1: of it and people who have studied Catholicism are like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: probably would will ever happen, but I mean there have
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  Speaker 1: been some changes, so we'll see, well, we'll see yes.
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