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Mac & Bone Hour 3: Jaycee Horn Practicing in the Slot & Mike Jack's Future · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Oh, Owen's Mack and Bow on your radio.
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  Speaker 1: Bone, what does the fun I can't go to work
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  Speaker 3: Sports Radio ninety two seven WFNZ E Mac and bowe
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  Speaker 3: with you eight o' clocker's welcome aboard. We got two
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  Speaker 3: more hours to go on this show. We will try
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  Speaker 3: to make them glorious, ladies and gentlemen. No guarantees, but
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  Speaker 3: we will try to make them glorious. We got to
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  Speaker 3: talk about J. C. Horn discussing more time, much more
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  Speaker 3: time in the slot so far here this offseason. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: that could be an interesting wrinkle this defense. So we
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  Speaker 3: got that come Mike Jack talking about his contract. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't sound like an extends coming. So we got those
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  Speaker 3: things coming up this hour.
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  Speaker 4: Bone.
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  Speaker 2: I was watching our Next Maya, our next guest on
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  Speaker 2: YouTube yesterday because Maggot's been a while. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: always tell you I watched old games and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The Buccaneers Panthers two thousand and three game Week two,
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  Speaker 2: the class is finally on YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: The whole second half is on their release that's the
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  Speaker 4: block kicks.
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  Speaker 2: The block kick game, and I forgot that those block
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  Speaker 2: kicks all happened in the fourth quarter. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: There wasn't like one in the second. They were all
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  Speaker 2: in like the last eleven minutes of the game or that.
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  Speaker 2: That's an all time. That's it. There was thirty five
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  Speaker 2: penalties called in that game, not accepted, but like call.
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  Speaker 3: Our next guest, have we got to find out? That was?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I saw none from him.
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  Speaker 3: That's when the Cardiac cat said, defending champs were coming
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  Speaker 3: for you.
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  Speaker 2: That was Jay Golomb's first road start in the league. Also,
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  Speaker 2: that's a classic. Look at you finding that on. It's
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  Speaker 2: way better than what you watched on YouTube the other day.
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  Speaker 2: What were you watching the other day on YouTube?
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  Speaker 3: Nice? I like this better. I like I guess they're
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  Speaker 3: both entertaining in their own way. All right, let's bring
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  Speaker 3: him on him.
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  Speaker 2: I just I just watched what the algorithm says, I
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  Speaker 2: need to watch that.
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  Speaker 3: A member of the NFC A champion and championship team
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  Speaker 3: in two thousand and three, still a fan favorite, and
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  Speaker 3: he is now ridiculously slim and trim.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: It was good to see him at training camp. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, we got to hear his training camp observations.
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  Speaker 3: He is the great Brentson Buckner who joins us on
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  Speaker 3: the Mac and Bone show. Buck, it was good catching
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  Speaker 3: up with you man. How you doing today, brother.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing good man. It was nice seeing you guys too, You.
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  Speaker 3: Too, man, There we go. That absolutely that was cool.
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  Speaker 3: But Buck left us though. Smitty showed up and Buck said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna go down here with the players now.
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  Speaker 2: But Buck, when when Smitty walked away with you he said,
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  Speaker 2: let's get away from the general population.
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  Speaker 3: He did, he said let's get He taught us, he
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  Speaker 3: caught us gen pop.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, certainly he's not talking about us. He said,
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  Speaker 4: let's get away for these Gen poppers.
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  Speaker 3: And of course I had to look up what Jen
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  Speaker 3: Pop that back to look down them. But apparently that
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  Speaker 3: meant we weren't as cool as we go we folks. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: it did, Yes, it did? What all right? So Buck,
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  Speaker 3: you were you were there taking the practice in. I
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  Speaker 3: love I love when when the Panther alums like you
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  Speaker 3: and Smitte. I love when you guys come back show
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  Speaker 3: that interest in the team. That was the first padded practice,
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  Speaker 3: and we need to talk to you because you were
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of the field where the VIPs go,
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  Speaker 3: you could actually see practice. They had all the linemen
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  Speaker 3: that weren't in at the time as human barricades for us,
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  Speaker 3: we could hardly see anything. So what like what stuck out? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: let's talk about in the trenches. It was the first
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  Speaker 3: time wearing pads. What stuck out in the trenches when
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  Speaker 3: you were watching?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really stuck out for me was the size of
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  Speaker 1: the team. Now I remember coming back to three years ago.
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  Speaker 1: It was two years ago, two years ago, and I
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  Speaker 1: was I was shot at how small the team will us.
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  Speaker 1: You know that they wouldn't. They wasn't they wasn't NFL
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  Speaker 1: like size guys. But now you walk in that gate
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  Speaker 1: and you you see big, huge guys, and I think
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  Speaker 1: Dan and Dave had done a good job of changing
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  Speaker 1: the physique of this team. And that's what really stuck out.
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  Speaker 1: Just big offensive linement, big defensive linemen, and when they collide,
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  Speaker 1: it's football noise, you know what I mean, It's sound.
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  Speaker 1: You want to hear iron, iron sharping and iron. So
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  Speaker 1: that really stood out to me. And then also I
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  Speaker 1: was in there looking Jackson and Horner, two of the
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  Speaker 1: bigger cornerbacks I've seen the NFL and the wise not
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  Speaker 1: not just height wise. I'm just talking about from size, thickness,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, just the way they are built, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and this is a big, physical team, and you throw
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  Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd in that middle linebacker position, now all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, you look a lot, a lot stronger up
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  Speaker 1: the middle of your defense. And then offensive wise, just
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  Speaker 1: seeing the rhythm you know of those guys, the way
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  Speaker 1: they play, and knowing and knowing coach Goodwin who the
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  Speaker 1: office line coach, He's still gonna find a way to
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  Speaker 1: run the ball and attack that defense and trying to
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  Speaker 1: block Derrick Brown ear snap. It was just good to
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  Speaker 1: see that type of mentality going on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you and I were talking.
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  Speaker 2: One guy that really stands out size wise, his defensive lineman,
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  Speaker 2: Cam Jackson. I don't know what, I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: like his contribution level will be at this point, but
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  Speaker 2: he's bigger than Derek Brown. That's the first thing I
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  Speaker 2: noticed once. Oh my god, Cam Jackson is a mountain
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  Speaker 2: of a man. And another guy I know you're watching
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  Speaker 2: closely as a young guy, Lee Hunter, what's your observations
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  Speaker 2: from him and the immediate impact you think he can have.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, ninety nine Jackson kids. He is man,
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  Speaker 1: He's not He's not from this planet. You know. Those
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  Speaker 1: people like that ain't born. They come in this truck.
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  Speaker 1: You have to put them together. You know. I just
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  Speaker 1: hope he can play up to his size. But I
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  Speaker 1: was impressed by Lee Hunter. You know, I saw him
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  Speaker 1: actually running with the ones and he held his own.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's very He's a throwback player. No tape
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  Speaker 1: on the wrist, not a whole bunch of raszles. Dazzles
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  Speaker 1: are the way he dressed. He just goes out there
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  Speaker 1: and he plays. He plays with energy. One thing I
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  Speaker 1: did know is he plays with good leverage. To be
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  Speaker 1: a young player. Most young defensive linemen struggled leverage coming
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  Speaker 1: out of college because most defensive line they get drafted
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  Speaker 1: are just so much better than the offensive line in
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  Speaker 1: their face. So they get bad habits of not having
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  Speaker 1: good leverage and not good technique. But this guy is
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  Speaker 1: ahead of the curves, and you know, he has a
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  Speaker 1: great you know, wash the d line coaches, a great coach,
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  Speaker 1: a great technician, and you know, and I watched him
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  Speaker 1: actually in drills, and I watched him. Whenever Derrick Brown
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  Speaker 1: correcting him on something, it wasn't no pushback. It was
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  Speaker 1: like all right, all right, and he acts for directions
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  Speaker 1: like now what do you mean by that? How I
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  Speaker 1: need to do it? You know, he was looking for
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  Speaker 1: that clarifications, which is a great which is a great
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  Speaker 1: rate to have as a young guy willing to learn
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  Speaker 1: from your veteran leader.
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  Speaker 3: Do you see so Buck, I would guess you in
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  Speaker 3: your career you saw all sides of that, Like do
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  Speaker 3: you get guys too that are young and like think
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  Speaker 3: that that they know everything already, like and don't want
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  Speaker 3: to hear stuff from the vets?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes you do. I was one of them. I
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  Speaker 1: was one of them, you know, because you know they
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  Speaker 1: tell you when you go in there as a risk
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  Speaker 1: and you got to have a certain amount of confidence
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  Speaker 1: and cockiness on you on yourself. Well, sometimes you can
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  Speaker 1: have too much. You can have too much and you'll
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  Speaker 1: get some players that you know, these guys they come
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  Speaker 1: out they're all Americans, They're great wherever they come from. Nowadays,
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  Speaker 1: they come out with money in their pocket and it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to sort of break that shell. But to see
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  Speaker 1: a young guy, you know, come in and be eager
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  Speaker 1: to learn and to work, and that's gonna bode well
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  Speaker 1: for the room because what's gonna happen. He's gonna he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna gain respect from the all the vets, and they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna accept him in. And that's what happened to me
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  Speaker 1: as a young guy. Once I feel like I don't
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  Speaker 1: know everything, let me listen to Kevin Green, let me
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  Speaker 1: listen to Greg Lloyd. You know those guys, And once
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  Speaker 1: they feel you're listening to him and they're molding you,
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  Speaker 1: then they'll accept you in and then it becomes a
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  Speaker 1: smooth ride after that.
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  Speaker 4: It makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Buck, you mentioned Devin Woyd in your initial breakdown. What
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  Speaker 2: do you think of his addition and schematically what's he
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  Speaker 2: gonna add to this defense that it was missing in
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  Speaker 2: previous years?
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  Speaker 1: Man Devil Lloyd is a super athletic guy. I was
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  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville where we drafted him out of Utah, and
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  Speaker 1: he really was a position a positionless player because he's
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  Speaker 1: played so many positions at Utah. They use them all
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  Speaker 1: over the field and we bring them into be an
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  Speaker 1: inside linebacker. And what we had to do was we
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  Speaker 1: had to hone all that ability in like now, cut
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  Speaker 1: away all the other stuff just what you need. Now
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  Speaker 1: you add that lyticism and that size and play making
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  Speaker 1: the ability in in the middle of your defense, you
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  Speaker 1: only get stronger than and well a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: don't understand. And he allows you some versatility because I
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  Speaker 1: actually saw him getting a chance to line up on
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  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage almost as an outside linebacker and
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  Speaker 1: actually pressure the quarterback. And that's a trait that Devin
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  Speaker 1: Lowd has. He worked on it, you know, and Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: a lot. He takes pride in beable to be a
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  Speaker 1: good blitzer and take advantage of those matchups. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a that's gonna be a big plus because
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  Speaker 1: the one thing that I, if I could say was
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  Speaker 1: a negative for Carolina's defense last year was to play
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  Speaker 1: up the middle once you got past the defensive line. Now,
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  Speaker 1: those guys did as they could they could do. But
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  Speaker 1: Devin Lord is an upgrade and he's a bigger presence.
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  Speaker 1: He's not only big, he's fast, he's rangy, he's long,
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  Speaker 1: and he has a high football character. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: used to have to kick him out the building in
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  Speaker 1: him Jacksonville, because you know, he really wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: there all the time, and we always had to pro
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  Speaker 1: take them from himself, like, look, don't pressure yourself to
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  Speaker 1: be great. Just just be good every day. Let the
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  Speaker 1: greatness come. But he wants to be great. He's a
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  Speaker 1: great kid. He loves his teammates. But I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a big plus. Now. I think making him the Green
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  Speaker 1: that guy is gonna sort of challenge him to becoming
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  Speaker 1: even better.
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  Speaker 2: I love getting kicked out of the building. Sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a guy going to the Hall of Fame next week,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Damn straight? Remember the Christmas Eve story, Rivera tells Lucas
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  Speaker 3: in there on Christmas Eve at like six o'clock watching film.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, get out of here, get out of here.
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  Speaker 3: Man. Brinson Buckner is with us. Hey, funny Panther Gray,
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  Speaker 3: one of one of the true Panther greats and one
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  Speaker 3: of the all around great guys as well. Here in Charlotte.
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  Speaker 3: He took in practice the other day, so we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about it. There may be some talk about a certain
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  Speaker 3: head coach bone at his alma mater as well, who
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  Speaker 3: we talk about a lot.
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  Speaker 4: But before we get to.
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  Speaker 3: That, buck you were you were down there watching the
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  Speaker 3: padded practice and Monroe Freeling was right there in front
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  Speaker 3: of you playing right tackle, going against Jalen Phillips a
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  Speaker 3: ton What did you see with him? I mean, the
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  Speaker 3: offense had a pretty darn has had a good run
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  Speaker 3: here the last three days, and it sounds like he has.
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  Speaker 3: He's been fairly clean. What did you see from him
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  Speaker 3: down there?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Super athletic guy, you know, smart, You can tell
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  Speaker 1: he played a good program in Georgia. And actually talking
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  Speaker 1: to some people who Kosha met Georgia was on their staff,
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  Speaker 1: they talked about his athleticism, which wasn't on display the
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  Speaker 1: last few years because he dealt with injuries. But he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't look like a fish out of water. But then
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  Speaker 1: he's going against a guy and Jalen Phillips every day.
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  Speaker 1: That's only gonna make him better. And I hate I
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  Speaker 1: don't like to say this because I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: put the pressure on it. It kind of reminds of
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  Speaker 1: a young Jordan Gross going against Julius Peppers every day,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I remember Kevin Dunley used to call Gross,
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  Speaker 1: you're not gonna face a better defensive lineman on Sundays,
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  Speaker 1: then you're gonna practice against every day. And Jordan took
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  Speaker 1: his bumps and bruises, but you can see his comfortings growing.
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  Speaker 1: He started to win some battles and go and then
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  Speaker 1: when we went into the season, he was real seasoned,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's what I'm seeing
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  Speaker 1: in Jalen Phillips. Now, I know Jaylen Phils was a
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  Speaker 1: big human being, you know, And that was my first
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  Speaker 1: time since he came out of school, you know, seeing
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  Speaker 1: him in pass and just seeing him out that. He
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  Speaker 1: has a big presence, but feeling is not is not
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  Speaker 1: bad in his eye. He's not shying away from him.
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  Speaker 1: He's sticking his face and the fan and they're they're
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  Speaker 1: battling each other and it's good to see. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what you want to see in training camp. You want
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  Speaker 1: to see good, clean battles. You want everybody to be
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  Speaker 1: at their best because you know you're making that guy
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  Speaker 1: in front of you even better.
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  Speaker 2: Buck mac Metching your alma mater Clemson. There, What what
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  Speaker 2: do you think is going on with Clemson in this
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  Speaker 2: step back the last few seasons? And are you down
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  Speaker 2: on Dabo like some Clemson fans are right now?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not like you know me, I've never been
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  Speaker 1: nothing but honest about my feelings for Dabo. I was
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  Speaker 1: not a Dabbo fan when he first got that job,
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  Speaker 1: and I let it be known. But I do respect
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  Speaker 1: what the man has built as that program down there,
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  Speaker 1: and every program is gonna take a step back, especially
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  Speaker 1: when it goes to a change like the NIL in
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  Speaker 1: which he was baling me against. He didn't believe in
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: the NIL and the recruiting the portal, and let's be honest,
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: that hurt him for the last two or three years
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  Speaker 1: because when everybody else was getting better by by robbing
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  Speaker 1: other teens, he tried to do it the old school
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  Speaker 1: way and he couldn't do it. So yeah, he's gonna
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: take some flak for that. But the man has done
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  Speaker 1: nothing but win for us, you know what I mean
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  Speaker 1: At Clemson, if you I know, a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: don't like to talk about it, but the last was
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years he's been there, and you know, it can
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  Speaker 1: rival anybody. But fans are gonna be fans, and that's
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  Speaker 1: that's the one thing I do love about being a
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  Speaker 1: Clemson alumni and the Clemson fans, they are very passionate
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  Speaker 1: about it. They have very short memory. They forget about
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: the Tummy West days and those struggling days of about
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  Speaker 1: and so at the end they want their cake and
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: to want to eat it too. But I told Debo
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  Speaker 1: this because I went down and worked the camp. I said,
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  Speaker 1: this is a product of what you've done. You spaw them,
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  Speaker 1: you took them through all these Bowl games, and they
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  Speaker 1: walked through the store, Hey devil, I want this prize,
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  Speaker 1: I want this trophy. And now the first time that
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen, they throwing the tantum on the floor. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is Joe probable, but I believe in what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: I have nothing but respect for what he's doing because
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  Speaker 1: he has to acculaze the show. And I think I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna be a National Championship type contingents
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  Speaker 1: this year, but they'll be much better than they were left.
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  Speaker 1: You got to rebuild it back up, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: every program goes through that stage every now and then.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about that last hour, like he has created
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  Speaker 3: the loft, that the the He raised the expectations and
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  Speaker 3: now it's kind of like, you know, if you don't
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  Speaker 3: meet your your own performance, it's like is it good enough?
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  Speaker 3: Because to bucks point, he could you know, he could
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  Speaker 3: win nine ten games and that's better than the then
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  Speaker 3: both Tommy's would often do. So it's an interesting conversation
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  Speaker 3: that that Clemson fans are having. Buck, I do need
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  Speaker 3: to tell the audience that when we were catching up
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  Speaker 3: the other day at camp, I did catch you in
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  Speaker 3: a lie, Buck, I did hear you lie. You met
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: the lovely Sheena Quick for the first time. You were
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  Speaker 3: saying hello, and you were talking about your playing career
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  Speaker 3: and all your stops along the way, and you left
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  Speaker 3: out Cincinnati. Not only did you leave out Cincinnati. When
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: I tried to insert Cincinnati, you told her I never
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  Speaker 3: played in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I try to raise Hell, you erased a
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  Speaker 1: bad from your memory.
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  Speaker 3: That is so funny.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what Cincinnati is today, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to remember the time I was in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 3: It's so funny because it's there. It's like hidden on
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  Speaker 3: your pro football reference page. Like three years in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 3: I know you still love the Steelers, three in San Fran,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: five in Carolina. But between Pittsburgh and San Frian there's
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: that one year in Cincinnati. I have to be honest,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember it, Like I try to tell you,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I don't remember ever seeing you like in a Bengals jersey, so.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe you've never on television. I think it was on
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: television one time. It just so happened. It was the
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: night that Corey Dillon wrote the single game Ricky Russian
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: performance that night, you know what I mean. And I
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: had some I had some great friends from now Corey Dillon,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: avery b enemy who I met, Karl Piggins is still
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: one of my closest friends, Darny Scott, Dan Wilkinson. It
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: was just a bad it was. It was like I
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: was put in prison. It's like I was being punished.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: We had two Bengals legends that camp in one day,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: you both out there.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Ends we can have all my bingo paraphernalia. He could
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: have everything from that, just to raise me out of it.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: But what was I left Pittsburgh and where we was
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: taught and we was greoled to hate everybody in the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: old AFC. Then I have to go play for the Bengals,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: who we just despised because they always thought they was
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: good and they never were good. And I saw why
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: when I got there. You know what I saw why
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: when I got there and I was there with coach
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: uh big La bow Brother. I was there with Coastal
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: bo love. Even my love for Coastal the Bowl would
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: not allow me to stay in Cincinnati. One we we
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: play a last game. The next one we had means
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: at eight o'clock. They were at ten and at ten
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: o Files. I was at the gas station driving back
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to my home in South Carolina. I couldn't say that.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I couldn't say another minute.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Uh, Buck, did you like O Show's pants the other day?
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: The shorts that are almost down to his ankles? Could
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: you pull that off?
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Buck? I probably couldn't now because I lost a lot
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: of weight. If I if I had wore him back
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: when I was a little bit herey, I looked like
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: a genie out of the bottle. Since I lost some way,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I think I could pull it up.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I know I couldn't pull that off, Bock. I'd be
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: laughed at. I'd be laughed off the street if I
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: try to wear them out in public.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I like the deep bone look, though I don't. I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: got scared. I tried to hide my wallet when he
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: walked through the gate.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: What is your son in my house? Accidentally sideways? When
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I was walking.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: He had his shade had the full beard and his
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: pants were sagging a little bit. Oh they left.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Buck, I've sort of become the enforcer of the
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: operation round here.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: What a badass, badass bone baby? All right, Buck, always good?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Catch it up with you, man in I call Mac.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: It'll be now.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Listen, man, I have to take it from Buck, all right?
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: What was my alternative? I don't know if i'd take
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: it from you. People are still texting about that this morning.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: It never fails, never fails, Buck. Every time you're on
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: with us, somebody's I remember that time Mac Buck was
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: gonna kill you. Yeah, It's like, oh yeah, good memories,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: good memories. All right. I think he also wants to
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: do that. Every time I bring up Cincinnati, I think
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: as well. All right, Buck, you rock man, we'll talk
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: to you. Be good brother. All right, there you go, Buck.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: That is Brinston Butner. Now that you uh, what do
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: he call you?
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Thug boat? That's what the teas always stood for.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Now that your thugbone and Buck's words, Now you could
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: one love him?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't love both thugs and harmony. Back in the day,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: back in my youth, I was a big fan of thuggets.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Ruggish Boat.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Their debut single, Oh that's a song.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I hope that's what you called yourself back in the No,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: that's the song Okaya.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: When we come back here on the Mac and Bone
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Radio program, Adam gold joins us. It's not Tuesday, but
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Goldie is on Thursday this week from being at camp
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: on Tuesday. We talk all things acc football and beyond
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: with Adam goldenext from ninety nine point nine to the
• 20:25
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• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z. Just our friendly
• 20:51
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• 20:56
  Speaker 3: podcast as well, really four of them.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Every day.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Fitty gets the podcasts up hourly like each hour of
• 21:02
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• 21:05
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• 21:07
  Speaker 3: back and listen. Man, it's goat time. We got so
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: many good, you know, panther camp things talk about. Although
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: we had another injury yesterday with Prasel, We've got so
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: many good college football things to talk about previewing the season.
• 21:18
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• 21:21
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• 21:23
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• 21:27
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• 21:29
  Speaker 3: You don't want to miss out on a couple of
• 21:31
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• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Did I get that right?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Also got his Heels podcast, Fitty. Promote that as well,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: because you're doing a lot of stuff right now involving
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Lombardi and Belichick.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, what's going on now, Fitty?
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Oh, thank you for that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Bone.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: You can find the Heel Toup blog podcast, Apple Spotify,
• 21:51
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• 21:55
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• 21:58
  Speaker 4: What a teammate does? Right there? Our guy over there,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: here we go while we're promoting our next guest, Bone.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: You can hear him weeknights, most weeknights on WFNZ at
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: seven o'clock. And man, do we have to talk to
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: him about the Lombardi paid leave and the situation with
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: UNC and just how our Heels fans supposed to feel
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: going into Belichick year two. We just saw one outside
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the studio tvwbtv's Alex Giles. He put his head down.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: What do you heard what I was talking about? Anyway,
• 22:27
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• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Fan in Riley and weeknights at seven here on WFNZ. Goldie,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: how you been man? What's going on? Brother?
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: Oh man? I watched Liverpool last night. It was a
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: kind of a snooze fant but that's all right. Using
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Yankee Stadium, which I guess NYCFC uses anyway, that's a
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: terrible football football pitch awful it is.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: It's we're doing Charlotte plays there. I just I hate
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: watch every game there. It's so annoying.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: How about that the the the Fenway Sports Group owned
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Liverpool at Yankee State.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: That's an interesting twist.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm not even sure who organized the
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: game it was. It was all Liverpool fans, but I
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: I almost felt like it was a Wrexham organized game. Yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: but I don't know, I don't really care. It wasn't.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: It wasn't a fun watch. There were only a couple
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: of moments, just.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Like NFL preseason like it just it means the real
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: thing is coming soon. I don't know if you watched
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: any of the MLS All Star Game. We had it
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: in Charlotte obviously last night. The crowd skills, the crowd
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: was The skills was fun. The crowd was so cool.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: It was a It was such a diverse crowd, like
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: the three I was telling Bone. The three big fan
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: bases were obviously Charlotte FFC fans, Uh Sun fans, I mean,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: and he ends up scoring two goals and making them
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: go crazy. You would not believe the amount of South
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Korea Spur Spurs or LAFC Sun shirts. And then Mexico
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: fans right national teams. There were four guys from their
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: national team playing for League Amechis, but also just so
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: many kits of like all the different Mexican club team.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: It was a very it was It was a sellout
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: lower Bowl, like every ticket they had they sold. It
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: was a good crowd.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: It was fun. That was a fun one.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed the skills competition. Tomas Mueller showed that he
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: is funny as all get out, which took me by surprise.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: It's just it's I was stunned when they asked him
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: about you know, how important the trophy was for the
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: shooting competition, which I think they gave him before Evander
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: tied him.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes they did. He give it back.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: And he pland to put the crown back. Yeah, yeah
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: as well, that was fun crowd.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: I found that whole thing hysterical, but it was Son
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: is a global superstar that we didn't realize here until
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: he came here. And Tottenham's got a lot of fans.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Tottenham's a big club. I know several Tottenham fans, So,
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Darren Geht, I'm sure a friend of your show, friend
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: of my show, huge Spurs fans.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: He's got a sunny shirt that he wears around. Yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: oh yes. He was very excited to be sharing a
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: building with him this week.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Adam, there are so many layers to unc right now
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: in the story that broke this week. There's there's Lombardi,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: there's Belichick, there's a program as a whole. We'll start
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: with Lombardi. What's your reaction to the news this week
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: he's on paid leave in the overall celebration of college athletics,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: that Michael Lombardi is now on paid leave.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Not good at his job would be the first thing
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: that would like, I'm not sure he's not been good
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: at this job, but not good at the job that
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: he that is on his resume. I think we all
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: know somebody in our professional travels that was never good,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: but always seemed to get another job. And I personally
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: worked for somebody who was so terrible at his job
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: and kept getting other jobs because he once had the job,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: which which begs the question does anybody ever check references?
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know why Lombardi, who has really been borderline
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: unsuccessful at every step along the way in his professional journey.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: I don't understand why he kept getting gigs and he's
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: he's he's like he considers himself a genius. Maybe it's
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: because he has typewriter, he owns typewriters, because I mean,
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: that's yeah, what.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I said the other day. We don't we don't know
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: what he did ag. But did he slide up in
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: some DMS or something using a typewriter.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: That he left type, he left type written notes or
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: he used white out, remember the old white out stuffy
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: stuff like that. Like, here's the thing about it. I mean,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the nature of the the HR
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: violation is. It was a former front office employee with
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: North Carolina, so it was a football front office employee
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: that filed the HR complaint. I get. I don't know
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: to what level it is. Did he was he telling
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: dirty jokes? I don't know was he was he brushing
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: up against somebody in the hallway. I have no idea.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: You know, They'll let them figure that out. It's embarrassing
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: to Bill because Lombardi didn't do a great job here.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Although recruiting got better. The portal job they did got better,
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: but it was such a disaster the year before. And
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: we don't really know how good it's gonna be until
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: we see him on the field. But it doesn't really
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: impact this season because the roster was already put together.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it does. It's another mess, you know what
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I mean? That hurts the reputation when they do, you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: the recruiting. I've listened to a lot of national podcasts
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: talking about this this week, just kind of curious for
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: the national perspective, and we have definitely noticed there is
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: a joy in a glee nationally about this because of
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the arrogance that Lombardi and Belichick had when they came
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to Chapel Hill last year. What's it like locally in
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: the triangle, Like, how do you feel? How do the
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Heels fans that Utah be We talked to a bunch,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: but how do the Heels fans you talk to feel
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: because nationally, they all are convinced that he has done
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: after the season and that it'll be two and through
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: and he might not even make it to the season.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Like, do you view it that way or not that simple?
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: It all depends on how they play. I mean, the
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: schedule's hard. I looked at the schedule and I'm not
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: a I don't like to go, well, they're gonna lose this,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: lose this, win this, win this, right. I don't do
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: that because you just don't know at the beginning of
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: the season. We have no idea what each team is
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: gonna look like. Hey, somebody gave Stanford the first place
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: vote even though they were picked seventeen. Probably Lombardi, somebody, somebody,
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: maybe Andrew Luck voted. Somebody sees value in the Stanford Cardinal.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Here's the thing. I looked at their schedule, and because
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: if you flip the home and road splits in the ACC,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: you can make a case that with a better roster,
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: and I've been told that the roster is better. You
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: can make a case for five or six wins if
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: you flipped the home and road. But we can't do that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: They play three incredibly losable non conference games TCU in Ireland,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame, and at Connecticut for some silly reason in November,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: playing at Connecticut.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: About that game.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: One game and they play, I mean they their conference
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: schedule is murderous. Uh. If you could have one of
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: those in the Accuh, they play a really really hard
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: conference schedule. I mean I can see two and ten
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: easy for this group, and one of those wins would
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: be East Tennessee State. So I mean, we couldn't figure
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: out a way to get Charlotte back on the schedule.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Come on, fellas, Oh my god, ni fans all the summer.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: And then they nodded their heads. Okay, yeah they did.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I used that on the show the other day, so
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: I figured I'd run the joke back. Look, you could
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: make a case for two wins and if they go
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: to and ten, Uh, there's not going to be a
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: year three. I don't think they have the stomach for it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: This has been I fear it has been wasted money.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: But if they can somehow make some of these losses close,
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: win five games even, which would leave him short of
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: a ball. But against that schedule, if they compete and
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: they played, you know, even lose some tough games against
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: good competition. I could see the case for letting Bill
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: run it back. I don't think Lombardi's coming back. I
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: think that ship sailed. I think when these types of
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: things don't ever really end up as ah, nothing, nothing
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: of the sort, they wouldn't go through the process of,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: you know, putting them on a leave of absence paid
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: or otherwise if it wasn't serious enough to ultimately spell
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: his demise. But the overarching point about North Carolina is
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: that last year there was a football fascination that was
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: derailed by everything Jordan Hudson, and this year there has
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: been no football fascination. And the only reason why North
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Carolina is coming up now is because of Mike Lombardi.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Everybody moved on and all those people who are talking
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: about this with glee. I mean, this is really goes
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: folds back into last year. Is that it's Belichick who's
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: in national you know, we can just call him a celebrity,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: so NFL media is still hyper focused on.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: What he's doing.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I wish last year had gone better, even though they
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: were playing better at the end of last year, if
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: they had won, they had made a bowl game, it
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: would have been a better jumping off point. But yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: I kind of feel like this is the this is
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: the end of it. But who knows, maybe Bill will surprise.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I lost the futures because I had Bobby Patrino the
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: first one with an HR violation, not Lombardi.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Gosh.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I actually heard somebody say the stability after hiring Bobby Patrino,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: and I went, what at? But I get it from
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: an offensive standpoint, the guy is the guy can coach.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: You know, it's a mess. But but Trino was run
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: and says, this place here mess. All right?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Goldie, you rock man. We'll talk to you next week. Brother,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: all right, do you go? That is Adam gold A
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: couple of fun comments on the text line Charlotte fans
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: not really not really mad at Goldie. Ac a nin
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: er man says all he wants to say is don't
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: sleep on Will Healey Tar Heel fans East Tennessee State University. Yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: they brought that up on one of the national podcasts.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: They were urging Will Heally to finish Bill Belichick off.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: And is it week two, Fitty when you play Will
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Heey's East Tennessee State team. Yes, So anyway, Will Healy's
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: got a chance to do so. I think they said,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: will Heel's got a chance to do something real funny?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: It's not of your Tario fan also Bone, speaking of funny,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I love this. Goldie was talking about people and and
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody can relate to this. People that aren't
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: really good at their job, but they keep getting jobs,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: and they often will get better jobs. Uh air at
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin, I think used to be like that early
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: in his career. Right a yes, yes, Air from Malay
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Creek has another way to say it. Some turns always
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: float up.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Well, there you go.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: That is profound, sir, that is profound. Speaking of turns,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: it's time for fiity. I could resist. I couldn't resist
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: that segue. Fitty.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: It's update time, baby, what do you got over there?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you Mac.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: I'm sure the name Turd Marlowe won't stick at all
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: for the foreseeable future.
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  Speaker 3: They put the trade on hold.
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  Speaker 2: When we come back here on the Mack and Bone
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  Speaker 2: Radio program on this Thursday, J C. Horn talks about
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  Speaker 2: playing in the slot more. How do we feel about that?
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't sound like a Mike Jack extension is
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  Speaker 2: in the works. Sports Radio ninety two seven WFNZ.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I'm still feeling it out. I'm still
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  Speaker 7: feeling it out. They did a similar thing with Jaylen
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  Speaker 7: Ramsey in this scheme when he was in LA. So
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  Speaker 7: just seeing the plays he made at that position, at
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  Speaker 7: the nickel position and moving around, it's kind of made
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  Speaker 7: me more open to it, and you know, I'm starting
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  Speaker 7: to get a good feel for it, and it's it's
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  Speaker 7: pretty fun playing in there instead of just sitting in
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  Speaker 7: the Boundaryard.
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  Speaker 3: Game Sports Radio ninety two to seven WFNZ.
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  Speaker 1: That is j C.
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  Speaker 3: Horn, all right. So he has not talked about this bone.
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  Speaker 3: There have been you know, you know accounts, there's been
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  Speaker 3: tweets about it, there's been you know, mentioned from a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the reporters that have covered the Panthers off
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  Speaker 3: season workouts and you know the start of training camp
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  Speaker 3: about hey, they're slotting j C. Horn to play nickel corner,
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  Speaker 3: you know, over the against the slot receiver, and they
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  Speaker 3: have not done that much in the past. Matter of fact,
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  Speaker 3: I think the snapcount for JC in the slot last
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  Speaker 3: year was nine. Like he did not go in there, right,
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  Speaker 3: So it was either you know, Smith Wade or Thornton
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  Speaker 3: or one of those guys or Merrick A lot of
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  Speaker 3: times is in the you know, big nickel role. This
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  Speaker 3: one's interesting and JC started talking about it yesterday and
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  Speaker 3: I just you know, I'm I'm salivating a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm already excited about this defense and the new weapons
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  Speaker 3: we have. This is a new tool here for AVO
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  Speaker 3: to use. Bone And the thing that really made me
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  Speaker 3: excite it is when JC talked about more stuff behind
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  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. He's physical in the run game.
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  Speaker 3: He's not afraid to hit, and that's what you need
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  Speaker 3: with that slot corner. He's playing right there outside the edge,
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  Speaker 3: also blitzing more blitzing. He's a real good blitzer, but
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  Speaker 3: he's used sparingly in that role. Get him closer to
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback and let him blitz from there. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't expect it Bone, I don't even think it'll be
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  Speaker 3: half the time, but it is pretty enticing if one
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  Speaker 3: of the young bucks can hold up on the outside.
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  Speaker 2: For him, it gets him more involved, right because with
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  Speaker 2: his role, teams will often not throw his way, so
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  Speaker 2: it almost forces the action of JC being able to
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  Speaker 2: make more play. So I think it's a very smart
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  Speaker 2: move back and that also is going to put some
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  Speaker 2: trust in the other corner right when he's in the
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  Speaker 2: slot and not Mike Jack but the one that's going
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  Speaker 2: to be on the other side. Oh yeah, that's whether
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  Speaker 2: it's a Corey Thorpe, whoever that may be. Will Lee
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  Speaker 2: will lead somebody like that, So that's gonna put a
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  Speaker 2: lot of trust in them when Horn is playing the nicolspots.
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  Speaker 3: Cassidy Hill did a great article about this at Panthers
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  Speaker 3: dot Com. I mean she went back to South Carolina,
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  Speaker 3: like freshman year, he was in the slot a bunch,
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  Speaker 3: but other than that, not really, so it's been a
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  Speaker 3: minute for him. But she said, based on what she's
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  Speaker 3: seen in practices and stuff, will Lee looks like the
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  Speaker 3: early favorite as a fourth round rook to go on
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  Speaker 3: the outside when Jc's in the slot. Now Thornton can
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  Speaker 3: play out there too, but that's an interesting battle bone
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  Speaker 3: because they're like there's battles for outside snaps, now inside
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  Speaker 3: snaps when Horn's outside, So those corner battles are.
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  Speaker 2: Blan be interesting ban and a seatbelt on the same side.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, baby, how about you?
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  Speaker 3: I did not see this. How about y'all showed me
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  Speaker 3: J C. Horn You can see through Kelly Bardik Kelly
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  Speaker 3: Bartiic had this scoop on Twitter. He has seat belt
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  Speaker 3: thigh pads, so it looks like like you can see
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  Speaker 3: like through his uh you know, uniform pants. The thigh
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  Speaker 3: pad has a little mini seat belt on there.
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  Speaker 2: Is sweet right there. What are they going to send
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  Speaker 2: those in the teams? So I'd wear those during the games?
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  Speaker 4: Dude?
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  Speaker 3: I mentioned Will Lee, Will Lee Mike Jack said yesterday
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  Speaker 3: Will Lee calls talks about how old he is. Mike
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  Speaker 3: Jack's twenty nine, by the way, he's not even thirty,
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  Speaker 3: ye and he talks about how old Mike Jack is.
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  Speaker 3: He's a rookie, he's young, he said. He said, Mike
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  Speaker 3: Jack went when he told Will Lee he went to
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  Speaker 3: Miami that Will Lee asked him, were you on that
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  Speaker 3: great O two Kyne's team?
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  Speaker 4: Oh my, how old do you think he is?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: My god, so slanderous man. That is Slanderer's Uh so,
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  Speaker 3: that's gonna be interesting. I also thought there's a cool
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  Speaker 3: reference comparison for Horn in the slot. He's such a big,
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  Speaker 3: strong corner. It's like, you know, he can handle the
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  Speaker 3: physicality in there, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm intrigued. And who has he been talking to
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  Speaker 4: about this.
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  Speaker 3: Jayalen Ramsey says he's done Ramsey for a while, and
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey bone when Avera was the DB's coach. In
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  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl year with the Rams, Jalen Ramsey played
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  Speaker 3: thirty of his snaps in the slot. And he's been
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  Speaker 3: talking to Jalen Ramsey in this defense. You know what's
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  Speaker 3: the key to it. Anyway, Let's listen to what jac
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  Speaker 3: had to say about that. You talked to Jalen Ramsey
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  Speaker 3: after they showed you those kind ups were.
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  Speaker 7: Not Yeah, I've been talking to Jayalen since, like I said,
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  Speaker 7: since a rookie. We got the same agent, and I
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  Speaker 7: got a chance to get with him this off season.
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  Speaker 7: We got some work in and I just talked about
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  Speaker 7: talk to him about what they were trying to do
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  Speaker 7: and how he how he thought, how he played in
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  Speaker 7: the slot, how he thought of the techniques. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: is in serving me well so far?
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  Speaker 2: I with that free you potentially to make plays, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: because you're going to both directions.
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  Speaker 5: When they're throwing at you.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean just being able to, you know, make
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  Speaker 7: plays in the past game in the slot, in the
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  Speaker 7: ring game, playing behind the line of scrimmage. A little more,
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  Speaker 7: you know, blitzing a little more. It would make it
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  Speaker 7: a little bit more fun.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I love it. Avaro, get that mad SIGNE,
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  Speaker 4: get your mad scientists on a varo.
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  Speaker 2: I what's a good sign this offseason is the coaching
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  Speaker 2: staff willing to evolve and adapt. Whether it's canalist and
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  Speaker 2: play calling. It's hey, let's get t mac moore in
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  Speaker 2: the slot. It's hey, jc's great. Can we get more
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  Speaker 2: out of him by getting him closer to the line
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  Speaker 2: for more maybe plays on the ball. If you will,
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  Speaker 2: the ability to adapt and say we're not just going
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  Speaker 2: to rest on standstill, man, that's a good sign that
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  Speaker 2: the staff's always moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: You can't stand still. I will say this though, with
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  Speaker 3: the brassl injuring and it sounds like eight weeks with
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  Speaker 3: the tear of the LCL and the left knee, but
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  Speaker 3: that might I wonder if that puts on hold the
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  Speaker 3: idea of more slot snaps for Team MAT because it
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  Speaker 3: sounded kind of contingent on Brasle being in the game
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  Speaker 3: on the outside. But we'll see. DJ says seatbelt thigh
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  Speaker 3: pads are cool until someone Oh no, I can't read that.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, I can't read that.
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  Speaker 3: Where's the other one? There is one clean one.
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  Speaker 4: Mac.
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  Speaker 3: That seatbelt thigh pad is great until you get absolutely
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  Speaker 3: toasted and the national TV camera zooms in.
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  Speaker 4: On it, and then someone and then someone memes toast
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  Speaker 4: instead of the sea belt. We're in to Boe.
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  Speaker 3: I almost went ron Burgundy and read a very dirty
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  Speaker 3: text on the out of the tax Lottie Hall says,
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  Speaker 3: you get Fitty some sea through uniform pants.
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  Speaker 4: He won't be single for a long Oh god.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, the dude sent the thong last year one enough,
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  Speaker 6: I needed a new one for this upcoming year. Why
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  Speaker 6: not just give me some sea through pants instead. I'll
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  Speaker 6: dance my ass off in those on Victory Monday.
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  Speaker 2: And I tell you that's the creepiest thing ever. Said
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  Speaker 2: the guy that sent me the thong last year reached
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  Speaker 2: back out again. Whoever is given? When did Garcia? Did
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  Speaker 2: Garcia give them tho Garcia's friend friend? Okay, Garcia's got
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  Speaker 2: a thong dealer.
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  Speaker 6: Bro.
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  Speaker 3: If you're Fitty's thong dealer, you ain't doing any favors.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you are not helping society in Charlotte. I'm
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  Speaker 3: telling you right now. And see through pants dealer, you
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  Speaker 3: ain't either all right, all right, we gotta to play
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  Speaker 3: one of these punch. I feel back for the sales.
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  Speaker 3: When I just walked by the studio Mickey Mickey out
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  Speaker 3: of the Yeah, we getting some weird looks for Mickey
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  Speaker 3: this morning. But anyway, and I think she bypassed us
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  Speaker 3: well right down hr by the way sadly. All right,
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  Speaker 3: tell out to Onebardy for us. All right, So we
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  Speaker 3: got to let you hear what Mike Jack said. Why
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  Speaker 3: does every panther conversation Bone start with the best intentions
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  Speaker 3: and just and in tangent Ville, every every conversation we have.
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  Speaker 4: That's true, that's true.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Let's go to Mike Jack real quick, because
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  Speaker 3: he got real yesterday about the contract and his situation.
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  Speaker 3: When you listen to his comments yesterday, it just doesn't
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  Speaker 3: sound Did we talk to Dan about this yesterday and said,
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  Speaker 3: Mike understands where we're at, but it really doesn't sound
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  Speaker 3: Bone like anything's going to happen and that they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: let him play this thing out in his final year.
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  Speaker 3: Listen to Mike Jack, it's a business.
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  Speaker 8: So regardless of how I think and how I feel,
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  Speaker 8: like they have a plan, I have to make sure
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  Speaker 8: my ball is great enough to where if they do
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  Speaker 8: say they don't want me here, I go somewhere else
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  Speaker 8: and play good football. Like just how like Seattle traded
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  Speaker 8: me here. If I was in my feelings about that,
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  Speaker 8: then by now I won't even be here. So it's
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  Speaker 8: kind of like just focus on the day and like
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  Speaker 8: clean up the stuff you messed up today and at
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  Speaker 8: some point, you know, like the money gonna come, because
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  Speaker 8: the money is really just for like life after football,
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  Speaker 8: Like if I signed for two million to day, I
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  Speaker 8: stay got practice tomorrow, Like I can't go on vacation,
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  Speaker 8: So it ain't nothing really to worry about, Like sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry if the labor is but just verifying have they
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  Speaker 4: told you that they're not going to extend you prior
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  Speaker 4: to the season?
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  Speaker 1: Was at just your.
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  Speaker 8: Reason that we haven't said nothing? Nothing was said, so
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  Speaker 8: there you go.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing was said. It sounds like there's really not, you know,
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  Speaker 3: much dialogue or maybe no dialogue.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any tieing back of JC playing some slot
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  Speaker 2: this year and Will Lee as a rookie playing more
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  Speaker 2: than maybe we anticipated because they want to test out
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  Speaker 2: Will Lee and maybe maybe he's the ultimate Mike Jack replacement.
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  Speaker 2: With Horn as the one two guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's first of all, like if will Lee pops
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  Speaker 3: up there, because they could just put Corey Thornton or
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  Speaker 3: Smith Wade in the slot and keep jac outside, so
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  Speaker 3: you feel like bone it could be because they feel
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  Speaker 3: good about Lee right like, oh wait, he might he
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  Speaker 3: can handle some of might be the future of a starter.
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  Speaker 3: And when they drafted him, we definitely talked about it, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, could him or Corey Thornton? Like are they
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  Speaker 3: not paying Mike Jack because they want to see what
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  Speaker 3: the young guys have. I also think if they want
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  Speaker 3: to see if and what they have to pay Bryce,
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  Speaker 3: I ain't Fitty brought this up the other day. It's
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  Speaker 3: a good point, like the Bryce thing. You know, Mike Jack,
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  Speaker 3: I said, you know, offer him two years thirty million.
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  Speaker 3: He talked yesterday about it feels like I'm always on
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  Speaker 3: one year deals. I've never really I've always playing for
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  Speaker 3: my contract. So I wonder if you could get him
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  Speaker 3: to bite on a good two year, thirty million dollar deal.
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  Speaker 3: But the point about Bryce, it's like they don't know
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  Speaker 3: right now are we going to be giving him fifty
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  Speaker 3: million plus a year?
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  Speaker 4: Are we not?
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  Speaker 3: So maybe that is also holding stuff up but it
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  Speaker 3: sounds like he's about ready to play as a contract year.
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  Speaker 3: And you said it earlier, Bone, I ain't betting against
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  Speaker 3: that dude balling man him.
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  Speaker 2: On a contract year. I expected the big year at
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  Speaker 2: him to the point where he may price himself out
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  Speaker 2: of what the Panthers because they're in paying JC. There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money tied up in this defense already,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's Horn Brown, Mary's coming up at some point
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  Speaker 2: right campaign. You've got Lloyd, You've got Phillips. I can't
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  Speaker 2: pay everything. Got a lot of you got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of kind of high price. Most of the high priced
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  Speaker 2: guys are on that side of the ball when we
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: come back. Some fans continue to call Bs on the
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  Speaker 2: staff to Charlotte hype. Is this really a possibility or
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  Speaker 2: just a late July Sports Radio Topics Sports Radio two
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