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Gordie Chiesa Hour on impact SEG's partnership with IHC will have on free agency, Cavs game 5 win + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Giason. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk.
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  Speaker 3: Stay for his list of the day.
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  Speaker 1: My list today.
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  Speaker 2: Here's OC with basketball sob on Gordy Chiaysa on the
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 4: Lucky enough to welcome Gordon Chiasa again for the next
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  Speaker 4: fifty five or so minutes here on the Shan O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Gordy, Welcome things.
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  Speaker 1: I am doing well, Sewan. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Gordy.
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  Speaker 4: I just spent twenty five minutes ranting about how impressed
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  Speaker 4: I am that the Smith Entertainment Group continues to reinvest
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  Speaker 4: back in its own professional sports products. The announcement yesterday
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  Speaker 4: that Inner Mountain Health and SEG we're partnering on a
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  Speaker 4: sports performance facility that is going to be adjacent to,
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  Speaker 4: physically attached to the Utah Mammoth and Utah Jazz practice
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  Speaker 4: facilities down at Southtown and Sandy. And look, I know
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  Speaker 4: that every team in every league tries to do right
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  Speaker 4: by their players on some level, but it feels like
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  Speaker 4: this deep investment, this extra concerted efforts by the Utah
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  Speaker 4: Jazz ownership group is being noticed around the league and
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  Speaker 4: most importantly by players.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much, and so we'll see that as a
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  Speaker 1: fruition of it when it's time for trades and freegency.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, the players do talk, especially in the off season,
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  Speaker 1: and most of them have the same agents as far
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  Speaker 1: as they do. It's ten to fifteen agencies that the
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  Speaker 1: players use as far as the representation, So it does matter.
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  Speaker 1: It's important to have world class facilities and then use
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  Speaker 1: it as far as advantageously. And the Jazz themselves right
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  Speaker 1: now to do that tendfall So it's impressive. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: for the players. I'm glad for the organization too.
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  Speaker 4: In the last couple of days since we last spoke,
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  Speaker 4: the conversation continues to develop around the top picks in
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  Speaker 4: the upcoming NBA draft. AJ Devonsa's you know, not emphatic,
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  Speaker 4: but at least public desire to maybe remain in Utah.
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  Speaker 4: Less conversation around here, at least around whether or not
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  Speaker 4: Darren Peterson has any thoughts on the state on playing
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  Speaker 4: for an organization like the Utah Jazz whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But there was reports out.
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  Speaker 4: There that Aj has made it known that he kind
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  Speaker 4: of wishes to stay in Utah. But there was also
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  Speaker 4: a secondary report in there that he and his camp
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to play the game of like trying to
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  Speaker 4: force his way into any certain spot. Now, I'm trying
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  Speaker 4: not to get overly emotionally invested in the outcome here,
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  Speaker 4: because I think that you have great players at the
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  Speaker 4: top of this draft either way. But how do NBA
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  Speaker 4: teams interpret, you know, that messaging. How are especially the
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  Speaker 4: Washington Wizards going to handle like a all right, Well,
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  Speaker 4: this kid has said he wants to stay where his
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  Speaker 4: family's at, and his family moved to Utah pretty recently
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  Speaker 4: with them, and like, will they even take note of it?
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all. Sometimes we have abnesia. That was
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  Speaker 1: Ace Belly last year when he didn't want to come
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  Speaker 1: to Utah, said his agent, and so suddenly it comes
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  Speaker 1: to Utah and guess why he loves it? And so
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  Speaker 1: Aja's exact same way as far as I'm assuming the Wizards.
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  Speaker 1: You remember now, the general manager of the Washington Wizards,
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  Speaker 1: Will Dawkins, was fifteen years with the Okahma City Thunder
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  Speaker 1: and he's a Bostonian, which meaning Massachusetts, and so is
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  Speaker 1: AJ Debanser from New England. So he's known his people
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  Speaker 1: for the less literally the last eight years or so
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  Speaker 1: with the AJ's people, and so you can't let any
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  Speaker 1: of the other noise. Remember now, also is that this
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  Speaker 1: is this season of false information. Do you realize that, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: that everybody is talking about certain things to create a
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  Speaker 1: noise level, and we have to decipher what is true
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  Speaker 1: and not what's not true. And that's all part of
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  Speaker 1: getting the intel. The Jazz will spend a whole bunch
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  Speaker 1: of time intel on Aj of de bans and also
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  Speaker 1: on the other picks, especially Darren Peterson, and they'll make
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  Speaker 1: the right pick, and so will do Washington Wizards, so
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  Speaker 1: it's Wizards one Jazz too. Then after that things fall
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  Speaker 1: into place.
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  Speaker 4: All these top flight prospects participating in the NBA scouting combine,
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  Speaker 4: and we talked about this the other day. You have
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  Speaker 4: you watched any of the tape? You have you been
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  Speaker 4: paying attention?
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  Speaker 3: Have you? Are you scouting these guys yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Forty as they go through in front of go through
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  Speaker 4: these workouts in front of the front offices of the
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  Speaker 4: team's drafting in this upcoming draft.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much, absolutely, yes, I do. I'm watching the combine,
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  Speaker 1: especially they pick up the organized games. The five on five. However,
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  Speaker 1: is that the combine is for the measurements and to
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  Speaker 1: exchange as far as medical information to each team, and
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  Speaker 1: then an interview as far as some of the players
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  Speaker 1: you might have talked to, and then those exact same
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  Speaker 1: players will fly to certain cities for a second or
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  Speaker 1: third workout and interview also with either ownership level or
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  Speaker 1: again if there's any questions where they had in the
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  Speaker 1: Chicago pre draft camp, they'll get it on their home
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  Speaker 1: turf as far as quote in their building, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's all. It's all the gathering process of getting intel.
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  Speaker 1: And the most important thing though is how the players
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  Speaker 1: played with with their college team also their European teams
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  Speaker 1: versus just playing five on five in the in the combine.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's important, but not but I would judge.
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  Speaker 1: I judge people based on what they do in the
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  Speaker 1: regular season. Also showing when I was director of Pro
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  Speaker 1: Personnel for the Memphis Grizzlies, I used to always try
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  Speaker 1: to watch guys I'm looking at for road games. You
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  Speaker 1: see there it's road games, but that's when you really
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  Speaker 1: see people what they can do as far as on
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  Speaker 1: the road and the hostile environment. So it's a process
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  Speaker 1: and they'll do the due diligence. And the most important
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  Speaker 1: thing though, is how you feel about a player, how
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  Speaker 1: we performed with this team, usually under adverse condition, which
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  Speaker 1: is good.
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  Speaker 4: At the NFL scout and combine. Like, guys can certainly
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  Speaker 4: grab attention by performing well in all those measurables, but
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  Speaker 4: also you can disqualify yourself in the eyes of teams,
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  Speaker 4: especially if you run slow, right, if you have a
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  Speaker 4: bad forty or your your short shuttle is incredibly bad.
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  Speaker 4: Is there a t that NBA teams are not looking
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  Speaker 4: at just to say, hey, how do you leap off
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  Speaker 4: the page? Or how impressive can you be? But like
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  Speaker 4: that is their red flag assessment as well.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean again, the verticality and the standing jumps important,
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  Speaker 1: but usually is that it's based on effort too, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so the answer is no, it's not a cut and dry. Also,
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  Speaker 1: your point is absolutely well taken. Where don't talk yourself
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  Speaker 1: out of player that you like or don't fall in
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  Speaker 1: love with so and so because of his unbelievable length,
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  Speaker 1: because what happens a lot of times. Is that when Sean,
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  Speaker 1: here's the question to you, We're all watching these intense playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: Whi's been absolutely sensational. When's the last time you thought
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  Speaker 1: that jellen Brunson had short arms son? What's the last
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  Speaker 1: time you Know?
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  Speaker 4: What's funny is I remember when the Knicks took a
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  Speaker 4: big swing to acquire Jalen Brunson, and we're roundly criticized
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  Speaker 4: for it, and I think I probably was among those
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  Speaker 4: who were just like, this.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 4: Why are they Why do they care so much about
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  Speaker 4: getting this guy in particular? And anyone who expressed that
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  Speaker 4: feels pretty dumb, now, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Very much so. Again, this is this involves basketball and
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  Speaker 1: involves team play. It involves toughness, the nuance of playing,
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  Speaker 1: uh do you shoot forward? Do you shoot backwards? As
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  Speaker 1: far as the mental focus of it, and it's all
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  Speaker 1: part of it. And again is that the the the
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  Speaker 1: teams that usually win Sewan consistently, they get it right
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  Speaker 1: the majority of the times. So last year in jazz basketball,
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  Speaker 1: they got it right absolutely on Ace Balley, they got
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  Speaker 1: it right. Also they got it right on Sensible and
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  Speaker 1: also on Philipowski and also Count de George and A yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those guys they got it right on and Cody Williams
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  Speaker 1: is still a working progress and so the Jazz have
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  Speaker 1: hit on them and now they've got to try to
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  Speaker 1: do this as far as a thing called winning and
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  Speaker 1: their position to do that certainly right now as we speak.
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  Speaker 1: And so the better teams get it right. I just
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  Speaker 1: described the thunder and then there's certain guys sewn that
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  Speaker 1: you and I talked about for the last years. Is that, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, they weren't invited to the draft party.
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  Speaker 1: What's the reason why? Last night? Max Shreus was undrafted
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  Speaker 1: from the Pall, so you can't say he didn't play
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  Speaker 1: in the big leagues, the big it's called the Big East,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Max Shrew's undrafted, gets twenty points, six of
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  Speaker 1: eight from threes, and he's making it hard on Kate Cunningham,
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  Speaker 1: who played great also, but he made Kate at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the game not be be slightly less effective
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  Speaker 1: in the overtime for the Calves to win an absolutely
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  Speaker 1: incredible intense game. The learning point about that is that
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  Speaker 1: there's guys also will fall through the cracks in the
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  Speaker 1: draft you mentioned the other day. We talked about guys
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  Speaker 1: in You told me that Kurt Wanna, who's it was
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  Speaker 1: the MVP of the Super Bowl, wasn't drafted. So it
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  Speaker 1: happens is that people get it wrong and other players
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  Speaker 1: they get so overlooked or over glamorized that that's why
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  Speaker 1: they're either successful or not successful in the NBA professional sports.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 4: All right, We're gonna stay on clock here because we
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  Speaker 4: have Gordy for the next Like I said, still forty
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  Speaker 4: five minutes, but so much to get to. We now
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  Speaker 4: have a number on the increase in foul calls during
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  Speaker 4: these NBA playoffs. Steve Kerr has re signed with the Warriors,
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  Speaker 4: Maury is out with the Philadelphia seventy six ers, and
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  Speaker 4: of course actual playoff games to discuss as well. We're
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  Speaker 4: just getting started with Gordy, so stick around. It's The
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  Speaker 4: Gordy Chaz is here with us as he is on Thursdays,
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  Speaker 4: talking all things NBA basketball, and here in the hot lunch,
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  Speaker 4: I want to ask Cordy the Steve Kerr extension in
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  Speaker 4: Golden State. Does it make sense given where the franchise
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  Speaker 4: is at with you know, a transitional period coming when
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  Speaker 4: Draymond and Steph and the elder Statesman either move on
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  Speaker 4: or retire.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does make sense. Absolutely. He is a huge
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  Speaker 1: factor why they're winning the sides, the greatness of Steph Curry,
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  Speaker 1: and Steph has on his contract two years left, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's part of it. You know, they
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  Speaker 1: lost saw that the visual when they lost in the
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  Speaker 1: when they lost it recently, they all hung they all
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  Speaker 1: hung hung together at half court and had a hug
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  Speaker 1: and that was emotional. But he came he's coming back.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming back to try to do it over again.
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  Speaker 1: The team is absolutely they need uh, they need better players.
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  Speaker 1: As far as they're aging. He's the worst thing you
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  Speaker 1: could ever have. Have a high payroll in aging players.
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  Speaker 1: That's the worst thing there in any sport. And they
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  Speaker 1: do have that though right now. But at the ownership
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  Speaker 1: level wants them to stay together. They're going to try
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  Speaker 1: to tweak it some. They maybe over achieved the next
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  Speaker 1: two years, so he's going to be there. He'll lead
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  Speaker 1: them very similar to the great Popovich, where at the
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  Speaker 1: end of his career they weren't competitive the Spurs. Then
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  Speaker 1: they got wem Byamba and they're hoping to get someone
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  Speaker 1: like that eventually in their draft future out but they're
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  Speaker 1: going to try to just remain quase competitive. So it
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  Speaker 1: does make sense for them, and they probably felt also
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  Speaker 1: that they Step I'm sure behind closed doors said to
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  Speaker 1: them that I prefer to play with Steve Kerr than
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  Speaker 1: someone else's to come in here, which I understand.
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  Speaker 4: So Kerr is still in in Philadelphia, Darryl Moury out
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  Speaker 4: as president of basketball operations. They're going to keep their coach,
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  Speaker 4: Nick Nurse on what do you think of this move.
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  Speaker 1: Had to be done absolutely really again, the Sixers overachieved
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  Speaker 1: the way they played. They went forty five games last
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  Speaker 1: year and Joel b was never there the whole season
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  Speaker 1: because of injuries historically and also Paul George with the
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  Speaker 1: twenty five game suspension, and so they overachieved and so
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  Speaker 1: their their roster again. It's till I call it, we
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  Speaker 1: call it court tilt. Court tilt is when you have
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  Speaker 1: you don't have either not enough scoring or not enough
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  Speaker 1: defensive players. And you'd hope that the same player would
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  Speaker 1: do both. That he's really strong on our offense and
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  Speaker 1: also equally adept on defense. However, that's very rare.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: He et those players to be two way performance and
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  Speaker 1: come playoff time. But in the regular season it was
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  Speaker 1: a court tilt. So they moved on from from the
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  Speaker 1: from the general manager, and it's again the roster needs
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  Speaker 1: to upheaval. The problem is that Joel Lumbiid. You love
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  Speaker 1: his talent, but he hasn't been there as far as
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  Speaker 1: being reliable, and that sets them back as far as
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  Speaker 1: the franchise. And it's Max. He's great, and he's he's
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  Speaker 1: the he's the face that they go forward right now.
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  Speaker 1: And also Edgecombe, who's the third pick of the draft
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  Speaker 1: last year. But you see with Edgecombe, this is a
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  Speaker 1: man's league, the NBA, including the playoffs. So in the
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  Speaker 1: playoff basketball Edgecombe, who's major young talent at age twenty
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  Speaker 1: years old, he can't believe how physical the playoffs were
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  Speaker 1: and he struggled in every in this series. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what happens to young players. They don't realize it until
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  Speaker 1: it goes on. So they need a change there with
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  Speaker 1: general manager. It's going to happen, and I'm all for it.
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  Speaker 4: What's the most important trait that owners and teams are
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  Speaker 4: looking for now with their front office guys, with general
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  Speaker 4: manager's team presidents? You know that we've seen now in
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  Speaker 4: college sports. How Like, if you're firing an athletic director
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  Speaker 4: that you hired a few years back, his replacement or
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  Speaker 4: her replacement might be someone who's totally different, who has
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  Speaker 4: a completely different skill set, who is really good at
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  Speaker 4: like I don't know, revenue generation now and athletics acumen
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  Speaker 4: might be even an afterthought. Obviously, the NBA hasn't gone
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  Speaker 4: through the same level of changing up people as college
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  Speaker 4: sports have, but there's always growth. So in a new
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  Speaker 4: era of the NBA, what is the most important trait
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  Speaker 4: for a GM to have.
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  Speaker 1: To see the big picture on a daily basis? Meaning
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  Speaker 1: this is that you hire the coach and empower him,
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  Speaker 1: and that you have to work in synergy together where
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  Speaker 1: you don't overpay dramatically on role players. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: catcher I'm using dramatically in other words, where if a
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  Speaker 1: guy makes eight million dollars, he plays the same whether
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  Speaker 1: he makes twenty eight million, So you can't overpay on
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  Speaker 1: those guys. A whole bunch of people like that, because
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  Speaker 1: then the roster when his playoff team in playoffs, a
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  Speaker 1: thing happens to every team, organization, management, ownership level. You
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  Speaker 1: either get exposure or you get exposed. Think about his words,
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  Speaker 1: Sean exposure or exposed. And with the learning point about
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  Speaker 1: that is that it starts on a roster construction. Did
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  Speaker 1: you overpay on so and so? For example, right now
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  Speaker 1: it sounds weird, say seventy six ers Joelen beats at
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  Speaker 1: allsto when he's healthy, but he's not reliable. So he
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  Speaker 1: makes fifty five million dollars a year, and so the
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  Speaker 1: backup Andre Drummond, who rebounds in games and hustles, makes
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  Speaker 1: five million. So in the sixth point of view, they
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  Speaker 1: get more bang for the buck at five million for
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  Speaker 1: Andre Drumming they do with Mbid at fifty five million.
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  Speaker 1: And that'd be a classic example. Now, of course you
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  Speaker 1: don't know that when you give him the money, meaning Embiid,
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  Speaker 1: because he's a he's an All Star player and an
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  Speaker 1: MVP winner. I get it, but he's unreliable. And so
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  Speaker 1: what you've got to do is that in that off season,
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  Speaker 1: in those dog days of early July, when everybody's giddy
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  Speaker 1: about free agency via trades, you've got to understand about
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  Speaker 1: what is the player worth economically towards winning. Again, the
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  Speaker 1: salary cap then is the first apron. Then is the
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  Speaker 1: second apron, and it is actually punitive and so again
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  Speaker 1: a thing called besides this, Sean, you've been an athlete,
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  Speaker 1: is that chemistry in the locker room, on the team bus,
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  Speaker 1: on the airplane above sea level thirty five thousand feet
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely critical, Sewan. These four teams, let the strict
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  Speaker 1: putty these teams in the playoffs. Do you think most
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  Speaker 1: of these teams have good chemistry in the playoffs?
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  Speaker 3: And you've got to have at least some level of
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  Speaker 3: good chemistry to make it this far?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, correct answer is absolutely yes. How about in the
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  Speaker 1: NFL the teams that go deep into playoff consistently, besides
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  Speaker 1: having great quarterback play, do you think they have chemistry?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we've talked about this, Gordio. I mean, football is
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  Speaker 4: probably the ultimate team game.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen it in the NFL, even more in college football,
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  Speaker 4: where there's just this incredible collection of individual talents that
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  Speaker 4: never amount to anything you know, Texas A and M
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  Speaker 4: spent the most on a recruiting roster a few years back,
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  Speaker 4: didn't win anything with it. And there's people close to
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  Speaker 4: those situations that was point toward lack of chemistry, lack
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  Speaker 4: of cohesiveness, bad communication, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: Very much. So you described there Davis so a talented
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  Speaker 1: diva meaning where he or she where they really are
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  Speaker 1: ultra talented as far as their skills, but they don't
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  Speaker 1: uplift the group around them because there's an element of
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  Speaker 1: resentment because of their personality. And again, what you want
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  Speaker 1: to try to do is when you draft people, is
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  Speaker 1: that you draft talent. That's number one. There's nothing replaces talent.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: But again it's that most talented player. Now often to
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: get where it gets a little bit gray area. Oh,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: by the way, the guy's nineteen twenty years old. He's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: immature because of life experiences. Yes he is, he's immature.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I get it, okay, But what's his values? Who's his
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: people around him? Who's gonna guide him as far as
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: some tough moments which everybody goes through in any business,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: especially in sports, because the wayans sports. Oh, by the way,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the other guy's are good also who you play against. Remember,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: everybody is saying in this market about their draft picks.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: The other twenty nine teams are saying the exact same
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: thing about their draft picks, how they're going to turn
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: it around or get better. And that's the beauty of it,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that that you have to go and compete, and so
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: general managers and executive vice presidents they've got to be
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: able to get the right as far as the salary
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: cap and draft. Historically, the rogue the correct player. And
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the last point about that is that is the star
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: players have to be able to what bring the group together,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the star players, and that's why it's so important. You've
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: seen that thunder with Shae Jillis Alexander after every time
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: he's he's on the camera. As far as the player
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: of the game, all these teams are around him, and likewise,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: when it's someone else's term, the player of the game
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: chased their churn.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: For the guy.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Nikobocca's also this year it wasn't like this, but it
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: is right now when those guys get on camera that
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: when you when you're really a great player, you're really
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: happy for other teammates. It's doing well. It's not about you.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: It's about even though your ultra talenty yourself and you
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: have some great performances, you're happy for your teammates who
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: become your flawmates during games about their success. That's called chemistry.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: There's nothing like it, and it's almost unexplainable until you
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: see in front of you how it is. It's uplifting
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: or it's what downtrodden.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Gordy, Before we take a break, how many times did
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: you see in your coaching.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Career, in all your years around the NBA, somebody kind
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: of undeviified themselves.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe a really talented player that came in thinking wrong,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: talking wrong, acting wrong, But whether it was a coaching
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: staff or personal development or a veteran taking them under
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: their wing, how many times did you see someone break
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: out of those bad diva habits.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: It happens. So example, I didn't coach them, but my
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: instincts tell me that, like the Mammy heat right now,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: those guys go to, say Tyler Herro type people when
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: they get to the NBA, it's a swagger and then
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: as they mature, they get better at it as far
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: as their game. So he'd be a classic example of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it as far as developing yourself both on the court
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and off the court with your personality. And so it's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: all part of being a teammate, and it's an evolution
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of a player as far as how here's the question
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: is always philosophically, how can I'm a player? I have
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: tremendous talent. How can I showcase it? And when I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: showcase it, can I add to the group and bring
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: along other teammates that might need my ultra talent abilities
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to help them improve themselves? And when I do that,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: we win as a group. And then I articulate that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: by my actions and I praise them. As a leader
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: in any a leader in the office or in any
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: business or on a team, your job is to bring
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the best lot of people that are invisible. In other words,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that eleven twelfth man who practices very well, and so
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: he's in a playoff game. He and he a rookie.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Like so last night, a Dennis Jenkins, undrafted from Saint John's.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: He starts in the game, he gets eighteen points, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: so now the coaching staff and the star player Kay Cunningham,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they should be praising Jenkins about his performance. And that's
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: when you're really a leader, And that's what makes the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: beauty of sports sewing. There's nothing like it in a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: team sport when everybody shares in the winning atmosphere.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: All right, Gordy is still hanging out with us for
• 23:37
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• 23:38
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• 23:40
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  Speaker 3: Welcome a for to the Sean O'Connell show.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Welcome in, Gordy Chias, who's hanging out with us for
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: a little while longer talking some playoff basketball? Last night,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: just one game in the NBA Playoffs. Cleveland wins in
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: overtime over Detroit, takes a three to two series lead.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: James Harden with a strong game thirty points, eight rebound,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: six assists. Kad Cunningham in the losing effort thirty nine points,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: seven rebounds, nine assists, but not enough support for the
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: All Star from Detroit, Gordy, What do we learn about
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: this series? In the overtime Game five.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: That the Calves responded that they didn't win a road
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: game in any series till last night, and they did
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: on the road. So now Game six is in Cleveland
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: tomorrow Friday night on a Prime video. We learned from
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that is that as a group they were ready to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: play in overtime, so they were down fifteen points in
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the first half, they fought back. Detroit, also an excellent
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: team with the best record in the Eastern Conference. They
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: also fought hard, and then in the overtime, Donovan Mitchell,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: who struggled forty three points the game before and including
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: thirty nine in the second in the second half last
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: last night, he struggled to start the game, but in
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and overtime he was Donovan Mitchell where
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he made so many clutch baskets, including that classic gonna
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: be short showing that classic step back side three that
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: really got them going. And then and then the ball
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: stolen and Donald got the ball on the run and
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: laid it up right now. So it was a really
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a total team effort. Donovan Mitchell finished right now with
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: twenty one points and three assists, and I call him
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the huge must goo up baskets in the overtime battle.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Max Shruz mentioned earlier or twenty points sixth rate from threes,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: did a good job attempting to guard Kay Cunningham, who's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a bully scorer and highly skilled. It was a really
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: tremendous win. So now the Pistons it's there, it's there.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: We'll see right now. Game six on the road, can
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: they do with the haves, have them last night and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: can he can he get a Game seven in Detroit
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: on Sunday? It should be fantastic.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: What does your gun tell you is gonna happen?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Game six Cavaliers and then
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna see the Calves, the Calves going to the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Garden to play against the Knickerbockers, and TV would want that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell has never been out of the second round
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in his career. Never as good as don Mitchell and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell win the all time great playoff performers. He's
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: having like twenty seven point eight points per game for
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: his career in the playoffs, and that is hard to do.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Let's put it in context. Cal Malone average twenty five
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: point one points per game in the playoffs his career
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: with ten point two rebounds. Donovan's way beyond that. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: also in fantasy to the Donovan, he he's the main focal
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: point when he played for the Jazz Basketball in the
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: playoffs and now with the Cavaliers. So Donovan is really good.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I'm happy for him. I hope he gets to the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: conference finals and he goes back to New York as
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: far as trying to take on the Nickoboxers, it should
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: be a great series if that if doesn't happen, but
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Seawan only second to tomorrow. Also the Timberwolves and the Spurs.
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  Speaker 1: Spurs up three to two, and again the games will
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: be in the Twin City tomorrow night. That's a doubleheader
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: on Prime Video. And Anthony Edwards and that crew, they'll
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: be ready to try to what to try to tie
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  Speaker 1: it up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, on the break of elimination at least at home though,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Can of Minnesota Timberwolves keep themselves alive in this one?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yes they can, but they need Julius Randall. He's been
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: struggling the whole series. He's only shooting thirty six point
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: six percent from the field and twenty one percent from threes,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and so they needed to be the second score. Anthony
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Edwards been sensational. If the injury he came back, he's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: ready to roll. He's he got that swagger and he's
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: absolutely very good and showing before he mentioned you mentioned
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to me earlier about the question was was there anybody
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that I know or I've seen recently really mature some
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: besides Tyler Herro, I left out Anthony Edwards. That's him.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: He's the class example. The more I thought about it
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: is that as far as he comes in the league,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: young fella, it's all about him. To his credit, now
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: it's all about his team, even though he's a great,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: tremendous talent and he's the focal point of the group
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: and they give him a lot of credit for doing it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Edwards plays well. They need Julius Randall, they need Jade McDaniels,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: who had a tremendous series against the Nuggets in the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: first round. He's struggling, only shooting thirty percent from threes.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Let's add to this, do you realize everyone that in
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: playoff basketball, defense does rule. So the Wolves are trying
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to get a tie series at three to three. They're
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: shooting so far in this series forty percent from the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: field and thirty three percent from threes, and from the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: foul line seventy two percent. Some of it's what the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: lack of ball movement, and most of us though, is
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the defense by the Spurs led by Victor wen Byamba.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: That so see Randall's struggling, and part of it because
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: he most times he bullies people in the lane. He
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: can't bully because when Byam is there ready to block
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: his shut and that's the singles factor of what's happening.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: I always appreciate Rudy Gobert's willingness to put himself on
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: the wrong end of a highlight because he's going to
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: give you effort no matter what. And well, sometimes when
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: you slow that stuff down, you know, he over commits
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: to trying to get in front of somebody and then
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: there's a spin move and he's left lost or you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: we've seen to get posterized plenty of times because he's
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: not going to let you get to the basket without
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: trying to put a hand up.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: And I respect that about Rudy.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Victor wembin Yama has the ability to make a lot
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: of people look really silly. He's made Rudy Gobert look
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: a little bit silly a couple of times in this series.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: What is the key for somebody who's got the size
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: like Rudy does to defend Victor wemmen Yama.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: But the young man is faster, right, Yeah, very much.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: When you're coaching up Rudy Gobert, you have all the
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: tools except the quickness.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: What is the key to closing that gap.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: It's like we're committing to your movement, like give me,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: give me the like pretend where practice and tell me
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: how you try to get him the body up Victor women.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Ya sure. The first thing is just like in the NFL,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: is showing the cushion where you give a slight cushions
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: we call press up to the the to Victor wem
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: beyonda and then go arm's length and your sole purpose
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: right now, which is just try to stay in front
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: of him. And then when he comes to a semi jumpstock,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: that's when you put numbers on numbers. So first you
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: play a cushion as far as your length and move
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: your feet to best your ability. When he either the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: shooting motion or he jump stops or instinctively, then go
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: numbers on numbers. We call a body on body, bone
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: on bone. And then let's part about that is be
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the second jumper. We call it stay up, stay down,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: do not go for the first head and shoulder fake,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: stay in your stay, stay on the ground, and then
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: when he jumps, you jump. It's discipline like any sport.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: The ability to have technique, technique is everything, whether your
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: NFL cornerback or safety whether your NFL alignment, you need
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: technique and leverage, and basketball is exact same thing. Moving
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: your feet. Leverage and technique helps you stay in the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: league and not being foul trouble. You mentioned for about
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: the NBA call a lot more fouls one you're more
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: aggressive in the playoffs. I get it. What's happening is
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that the velocity of the game is so much faster
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that the players when they're in foul trouble, they're being
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: physical with roughness versus being physical with physicality. You see,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it's that fine imaginary line where if you boast someone
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: in the head, it's a foul, or you push someone
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: off with your hands, it's a foul, and they're calling
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it and they should. And that's the why. The ability
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: for teams to be physical without being rough and that's
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: that that's incredible for players to do it. Speaking of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert, he has played well for the t Wolves.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: But the CounterPunch right now is Victor went beyonda Here's
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: some quick stats that went beyonder this in this series,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: averaging twenty points per game, thirteen point per rebounds, four
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: point four blocks, with outrageous shooting from the field, fifty
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: point seven percent. But Sean from three point range twenty
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: six point nine, he's seven for twenty six. So that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: tells me if I'm win beyond with his teammates, I
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: want to get him more on the move instead of
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: him just being outside. As far as taking that, let's
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: dare him to shoot a three point shot if I'm
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: if I'm the Spurs and his teammates still and helping
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: those guys, and Stephen Cassel, I'm saying to a to
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a victim, wein beyond, but we're gonna pass you. You
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: gotta cut more.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: The official number is eleven percent eleven percent increase in
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: foul calls per game game in these playoffs over the
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: regular season. And I think you know, you can look
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: at that and you can say, oh, why would you
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: eleven percent more? But the game might be twenty five
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: percent rougher or twenty five percent more physical, and that
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: would mean only an eleven percent increase in fouls.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: They're actually letting the guys play. Is that? How do
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: you interpret that number? Eleven percent?
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Sean Well said, they're letting the guys play. Here's
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the worst feeling in the world. Either fan, teammate, ownership
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: level and most of all showing our TV partners if
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because they rule everything. Just
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: think of victim m beyond but getting unbelievable two quick
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: fouls tomorrow night on two cheap calls. It sets back
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to the whole franchise. It sets back the mood of
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the game because suddenly he's on the bench for we'll say,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: nine minutes in the first half before entering back in
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the second quarter, and the game is not decided yet,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: but it affects It affects the flow of the game.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: That's why it's so the refs understand that it's not
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: They don't tell them to do that, but they want
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: to make sure that the star players, within reason, stay
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: on the court. Sean, you can call a foul on
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: every possession in most playoff games. Absolutely, you could, no doubt, Sean,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you can call in the NFL. So if you won't
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: correct me, you could call a holding holding on alignment
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: on hour was every play?
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could, you could.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: We really wanted to write you could, because why it's discrepancy.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: It's interpretation. Most referees, I call them interpreters of chief
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of what's going on. And that's how you. The NBA
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: allows much more physicality. That's why when your favorite team
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you say we're gonna be good next year, visualize will
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys be able to be physical within
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the game rules? That's the thing. And now young our
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: young players, can they be able to withstand the physicality
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: of scoring through through a tenacity of the defense. There's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: nothing like it the playoffs. The playoffs are a man's league.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: It's not for young fellas, it's not. It's for men.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Gordy, cheezer for another minute or two here, Gordyon.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: It's a little anti climactic now, but Adam Silver rolled
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: out the league's anti tanking proposal, the three to two
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: one that was already reported on a couple of weeks ago,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: and like the initial reports got it right. Well, now
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: the league has acknowledged this is what we're going to
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: try to do, and it seems.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Like there's plenty of support for it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Is this going to be the official NBA draft lottery
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: process moving forward?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, be voted on May twenty six by the Border Governance,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: which is the owners. So the answer is yes, they've
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: got to do something about it. And there's a two
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: year trial. The twenty seven draft through twenty nine. It
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: says to me, two years and they might tweak it again.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: But you can't have literally ten teams out of thirty
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to one thirty league really not playing to win. Philosophically,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: you can't do that the integrity Again, I'm not being naive,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not absolutely not, but it's it's a bad product
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: for doing that right now. So let's see how this
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: plays out. I am all for it, Sean. You know
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I mentioned all the time if I'm a player, I
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: just want to play. I don't understand why if someone
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: says to me, we don't want you to play tonight, Really,
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  Speaker 1: why not I want to play. I'm simplifying the narrative
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  Speaker 1: by saying this, But when you're an athlete, you want
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and you're in your prime especially, you want to be
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: able to perform to help your team be successful.
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  Speaker 3: How thig is it for the New York Knicks to
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: get oh g Anobi back.
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  Speaker 1: It's Oja is a strained hamstring. He's playing tremendous, He's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: making these three points shot. He's a two way performer.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: They need him, absolutely, they need him. For example, just say,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: if if the Cavs do win just for the narrative.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: So suddenly they're playing and ob against the against the
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Cavaliers and og and an obie he well, dissimmon right now,
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  Speaker 1: He'll be trying to right now either body up on
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell for a length factor where he's about six
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: six sixty seven to try to slow him down, or
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: body up on James Harden, or try to beat to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the spot Evan Mobley when he has the size differential
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  Speaker 1: Mahammed at sixty seven and mobile basically six eleven. So
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: so he he's a versatile defender that gives them a
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: pop offensively but the but but on the other side
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: of the ball, he's really a terror that he understands
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: how to play defense and he's willing right now they
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: need him.
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  Speaker 3: Gordy, what's your list today?
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  Speaker 1: Today? Sean is about assist And I know right now, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: you know this, but I'm making sure that James Peterson,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: our colleague, knows this. What's an assist. An assist is
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  Speaker 1: a passer delivering the last pass leading directly to a
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  Speaker 1: field goal. That's only if the scoring player's basket is
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: an immediate finished motion. So you pass the ball the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: guy can take one bound. Some of the time it
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: was directly motion of getting it. The list today is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the all time Korea Playoff leaders and assist I cut
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  Speaker 1: it off at ten. All time assists Number ten Steve
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  Speaker 1: Nash one thousand and sixty one, Number nine Larry Bird
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  Speaker 1: one thousand and sixty two, Number eight, Region Rondo one
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  Speaker 1: thousand and one thirty six, Number seven, that Frenchman Tony
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  Speaker 1: Parker one thousand and one forty three, Number six, James
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  Speaker 1: Harden one thousand, two hundred and two, Number five, Chris
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  Speaker 1: Paul one thousand, two hundred and thirty three, Number four,
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  Speaker 1: Jason Kidd one thousand, two hundred and sixty three. Number
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  Speaker 1: three John Stockton one thousand, eight hundred and thirty nine,
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  Speaker 1: which comes to ten point one assists per game his
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: career in the playoffs. Number two Lebron James of all
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: time two thousand and one sixty eight and the number
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  Speaker 1: one passer of all time delivering the rock is Magic
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  Speaker 1: Johnson two thousand, three hundred and forty six assists, which
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: comes to amazing twelve point three assists per game for
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  Speaker 1: his career. Lastly, what about Nikolai Jokic. Our instincts tell
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  Speaker 1: us that he's number thirty one right now all time.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Think about he's seven foot guy, He's thirty one all
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  Speaker 1: time and a list as per career playoff he could
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  Speaker 1: be someday in the top ten with Nikola Jokic. The
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: way he passed the ball for a big Thus, that's
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  Speaker 1: my left list of the day. Sean, I call this.
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  Speaker 1: When you passed the ball, you are you passed the
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  Speaker 1: ball in the game, you are passing the sugar, Sean
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  Speaker 1: and Sean, I know Sean, you love sugar. Sean, I
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: know you do. I love sugar way too much. Cordy,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: non basketball question for you. We've been I've been obsessing
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: about the soccer World Cup that's coming in less than
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: a month now, and the ticket prices, the travel costs,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the hotel costs, everything's been crazy. But seems like maybe
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it's bouncing back because of some fan resistance. Have you
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: been to a World Cup soccer game in your long
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: and illustrious career of being a sports insider. No, I've not,
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  Speaker 1: But I've been to a game where sky Pele played
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  Speaker 1: for Brazil back in nineteen seventy seven at the Metal Lens.
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  Speaker 1: It was the most amazing thing. Sean like these. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a soccer officiato, but I went to the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: game with some friends of mine that were, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: into soccer. It was happening, amazing. So I saw one
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  Speaker 1: of the greatest players of all time play with these
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: uh you know, ball tricks. Amazing skill level. It was incredible,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Add to that sewing this some research.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I remember, I'm crazy New York and New Jersey eight.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: So a lot of my friends are of soccer fans.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to go that. So they adjusted that. Recently,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it was one hundred of dollars to go from New
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: York City by bus to the Meadowlands. Now it's one
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: oh five now, so showing they cut off forty five
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: hours as far as the rate of doing it, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a regular day showing it would cost twelve dollars and
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: ninety cents to do that. So it went from one
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: went from twelve ninety to one fifty. Now a one
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: oh five round trip. Now this is one day. That's
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: not the whole ticket, that's his round trip.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: That day.
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  Speaker 4: When you were able to watch Pele in person as
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: a non non soccer guy, did you did it look different?
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  Speaker 4: You know, because we watched when you watch Michael Jordan,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant and Lebron James play basketball, it looks a
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: little bit different than everyone else doing it.
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  Speaker 3: Was it like that when you watch.
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  Speaker 1: Pant Yeah, it was magical. The answer is yes, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't sure I was watching, but I knew that
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  Speaker 1: this guy was once in a lifetime and it was amazing.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: And you know, again, the fans, the nationalism of each
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: country is brings out just like the Olympics, Sean, it
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: brings out everything. Can you match Olympics someday, Sean, in
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight in La, when Victor Wenbiyama and that crew,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the French guys versus the USA, possibly in the gold
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: medal game, what it might be like in basketball?
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be amazing.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: And when they come when the Winter Olympics come back
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: to Salt Lake City and we've got a couple of
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Utah mammoth guys skating, yes, in Olympic hockey, it's gonna
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: be awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Sean. Right now, you're in LA, right now, and
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: you're missed here in Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited to come back. This is not my
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: type of town.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: If you know, what I mean, Oh, you don't like
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a Hollywood type people, you.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Know, I just it's fine, it's lovely, the weather's great.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: But h turns out I'm a mountain guy, you.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Know, Yes you are. You're a mountain guy. And uh
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: also you're a jungle guy and you're on playoff basketball, Sean.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: It's the love of the jungle.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: That's I'm not good at basketball, but maybe I could
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: be good at playoff basketball.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: That's all. That's all I need, Gordy.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Sean, it's absolutely possible. Love of the jungle. And I know, Sean,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: you'd love to uh roar and move on.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: That's Gordy chias our resident NBA insider, joins us every
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: single week here on the Sean O'Connell Show. We love
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: to have him enjoyed these playoff games. Tomorrow night, Gordy,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: we'll talk soon.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Thanks Sean, peace out
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Great stuff as always from Gordy Chiasa.