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Pythian Priestess: Ghosts, Hermeticism & the Unseen · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: What I Welcome back to the occult Rejects.
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  Speaker 2: Today we're joined by Ashley Ryan, better known as Pythian Priestess,
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  Speaker 2: an occult educator, hermetic practitioner, author, paranormal investigator, and creator
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  Speaker 2: whose work has introduced hundreds of thousands of people to
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  Speaker 2: Western esotericism. Before becoming one of the most recognizable voices
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  Speaker 2: in the modern Nicole community, Ashley worked in television production,
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  Speaker 2: including MTV, before leaving that world behind to dedicate herself
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  Speaker 2: full time to studying, teaching, and practicing the Western mystery
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  Speaker 2: tradition through the Pythian Mystery School. Her books, video and investigations,
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  Speaker 2: she's explored everything from hermetic philosophy and ceremonial magic to taro,
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  Speaker 2: psychic development, hauntings, and spirit communication. More recently, she's stepped
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  Speaker 2: deeper into paranormal investigation, combining practical occult knowledge with real
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  Speaker 2: world ghost hunting and asking some fascinating questions about what
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  Speaker 2: people actually experience when they encounter the unexplained. So today
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  Speaker 2: we're going to explore the world's where history, ritual consciousness,
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  Speaker 2: and the paranormal begin to overlap. We'll talk about her meticism, initiation, ghosts,
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  Speaker 2: haunted locations, psychic perception, modern occultism, and what happens when
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  Speaker 2: ancient magical traditions meet contemporary investigations into the unknown.
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  Speaker 1: But before we introduced the Pithy and priestess herself.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, let me introduce the rest of the group of
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  Speaker 2: Jin my man, thank you so much for joining me.
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  Speaker 1: What is going on, sir sub Thank you so much, Boss,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Of course, appreciate it, Ashley. This is my
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  Speaker 1: first time on the stream with her, so I greatly
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. It's it's cool to be with someone who
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  Speaker 1: you know has so much experience like you Nick in
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  Speaker 1: the o'cault community. And if you want to check me out,
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  Speaker 1: on ig and X at Threshold Saints, or you can
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  Speaker 1: go to our YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash at
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  Speaker 1: Threshold Saints. So for Saints, we just draw I just
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  Speaker 1: dropped it and say we but it's kind of a week.
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  Speaker 1: I just dropped an episode called Sinister Forces with my
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  Speaker 1: co host Solar Exile and my man CJ from Ig
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  Speaker 1: It's like Deep spurg contra Buddhism and the left hand Path,
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  Speaker 1: but sort of we rectify everything in the middle pillar.
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  Speaker 1: So take that as you will. But I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a really great episode and people have given me really
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  Speaker 1: good feedback on it. So and then for the Great
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  Speaker 1: Lodge of course, today is a Friday, So Friday Night
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  Speaker 1: Nastic Mass, and we have our Part three of Battlestar Galactica,
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  Speaker 1: which interestingly enough also talks about the Scrolls of Pythia.
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  Speaker 1: So Part three, Arrow of Apollo will be live tonight
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube at six thirty Est, or you can watch
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  Speaker 1: the you know when I re uploaded on Sunday, So
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah, check me out there. Thank you guys so much.
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  Speaker 1: Well appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And I appreciate that. I was
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  Speaker 2: going to say something now I totally forgot. Damn it
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  Speaker 2: screwed me up.
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  Speaker 1: So Brandon, my man, what is going on? So that way,
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  Speaker 1: what's up?
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  Speaker 3: Nick's up? All's up?
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  Speaker 4: Jin, So good to be here with you both. Nice
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  Speaker 4: to meet you, Pithy and Priestess. It's uh yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: a great day of Freya today. As we go on
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  Speaker 4: to this wild and Crazy Friday. If you don't know me,
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  Speaker 4: I'm Brandon Lee of Magas in the Media, head on
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  Speaker 4: over to my all the things YouTube and and the
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  Speaker 4: like all social media is pretty soon going up on
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  Speaker 4: Apple and Spotify.
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  Speaker 3: One man team.
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  Speaker 4: We're putting it all out, myth magic and meaning and
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  Speaker 4: the stories, the lives and this crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Dystopic sci fi universe that we all love.
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  Speaker 4: If you haven't already seen, it just dropped a few
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  Speaker 4: days ago. The Mark Booth slash John Nathan Black interview conversation.
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  Speaker 4: He is the great one who wrote the books The
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  Speaker 4: Secret History of the World, The Sacred History of the World,
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  Speaker 4: and the Secret History of the Universe.
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  Speaker 3: Just out.
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  Speaker 4: It's phenomenal. It's one of my favorite conversations I've ever had.
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  Speaker 4: And he is kind of a mentor in the own right,
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  Speaker 4: in my own right where I've just I can't believe
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  Speaker 4: that I was able to have a conversation with him
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  Speaker 4: and he said such nice things about me, So that's
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  Speaker 4: also really wonderful. Besides that, let's let's get to it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's this should be a fascinating conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you now, I remember gen you can't be doing
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  Speaker 2: sentence the forces without Peter Lavenda.
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  Speaker 1: Well that actually comes up in the episode, so that's
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  Speaker 1: obviously gave rise to the name later, right, and it's
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  Speaker 1: episode ninety nine, so it all made sense. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Nice, Yeah, that was some amazing work. Actually, I think
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  Speaker 2: by him the truth, but that's another person. Ashley, Pithy
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  Speaker 2: and Priestess. Please let everybody to know what is up
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  Speaker 2: with you. Anything that you would like to plug or promote,
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  Speaker 2: please let everybody know.
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  Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much for having me back. It's
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  Speaker 5: been a couple of years since I've talked to you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I've grown a lot in that time. Biggest
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  Speaker 6: my biggest work really has been Pithian Mystery School, where
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  Speaker 6: I teach not just ceremonial work. We do ceremonial work
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  Speaker 6: under Isis Magic written by Isidora Forrest, but I also
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  Speaker 6: teach witchcraft, specifically the Totolemaic system with the seven planetary energies.
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  Speaker 6: And my most recent venture is becoming a spiritual advisor
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  Speaker 6: to the paranormal teams, especially on YouTube featuring Sam and
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  Speaker 6: Colby in the Paranormal Files.
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  Speaker 5: The main point.
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  Speaker 6: Of my work with Western esotericism is to really take
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  Speaker 6: very complicated esoteric traditions and ideology and making it accessible
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  Speaker 6: to the modern day person and helping them create a
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  Speaker 6: direct relationship to the divine. So if you're interested in
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  Speaker 6: any of that, you can check out Pythiant Mystery school
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  Speaker 6: dot com.
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  Speaker 1: That was awesome, nice, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have Yeah, you were on I think
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  Speaker 2: about four years ago to a couple of Valentine's Day
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  Speaker 2: you came on and explained the story behind that. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you really seem to have. Uh, I mean, you definitely
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  Speaker 2: have made an impact and seem to have gotten biggest
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  Speaker 2: since the last time.
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  Speaker 1: I spoke to you. It's nice to see that you've
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  Speaker 1: down and you've kind of like changed.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess like maybe like really found your niche
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  Speaker 2: or your niche, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an interesting like combination of mixing the occult
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  Speaker 6: philosophy and the paranormal community.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I've been saying too. I think it does help.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I guess Ghost Adventures and other people
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  Speaker 2: have been doing it in the past anyway, But I
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  Speaker 2: do think it helps more if you do have an
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  Speaker 2: occultist on the team when you go go something.
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  Speaker 1: I just I just think it totally helps for sure.
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  Speaker 5: Especially with stuff goes wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, Or I mean if you want to just
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  Speaker 2: push the envelope and make things happen, I guess that
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  Speaker 2: can yield.
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  Speaker 1: You can help with that as well.
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  Speaker 2: But like I said to you earlier, the same question
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  Speaker 2: I ask everybody that comes on that's into the occult,
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  Speaker 2: which is basically every.
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  Speaker 1: Guest, Now, what got you into? Like how did you
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  Speaker 1: find yourself one day? Being like? This is for me?
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  Speaker 5: It started when I was four. I was I know
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  Speaker 5: right early.
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  Speaker 6: My babysitters were benedict and nuns and they were my
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  Speaker 6: great aunts, and I guess they recognized something that I
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  Speaker 6: was doing and they asked me, Ashley, do you want
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  Speaker 6: to be a nun?
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  Speaker 5: And in my head I was.
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  Speaker 6: Like, ooh, free food, free lodging, get to like study
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  Speaker 6: all day. But I knew that the priests had more power,
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  Speaker 6: like they could do the transfiguration. I didn't have that word,
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  Speaker 6: of course at four, but I knew it was important,
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  Speaker 6: and I said, no, I would rather be a priest.
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  Speaker 5: And they said, oh, sweetie, you're a girl. You can't
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  Speaker 5: do that.
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  Speaker 6: And so at the right page of four, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 6: I don't care about Catholicism.
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  Speaker 1: Anymore didn't work for you, then.
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  Speaker 6: No, And so I spent a long time because that
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  Speaker 6: was my family's life, Like our entire lifestyle was Catholicism.
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  Speaker 6: And so it wasn't until I was fourteen where I
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  Speaker 6: was outside of the paradigm enough because I went to
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  Speaker 6: Catholic school.
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  Speaker 5: I went to Sunday School. You know, I was in it.
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  Speaker 6: So I went to a Renaissance fair in Tampa, Florida,
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  Speaker 6: where I was like determined to get my palm read
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  Speaker 6: and the woman who I met was like, well, I
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  Speaker 6: think you would really enjoy a tarot reading more. And
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  Speaker 6: I was like, I don't even know what that is,
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  Speaker 6: but sure, let's do it. And as soon as she
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  Speaker 6: laid down the Rider Waite Smith deck, I was blasted
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  Speaker 6: with light. I was like, these are the most sacred
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  Speaker 6: things I have ever seen in my entire life. And
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  Speaker 6: I will cross oceans, I will climb mountains and cross
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  Speaker 6: deserts to have a pair of these cards. And she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: you can just go buy a deck at Barnes and Noble.
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  Speaker 5: And so that was my introduction to the occult.
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  Speaker 1: That is cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that deck was the first deck I
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  Speaker 2: ever saw, and it was definitely impactful on me.
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  Speaker 1: That is awesome, and.
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  Speaker 2: Now you find yourself here. One thing I did want
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  Speaker 2: what kind of I get? I did want to kind
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  Speaker 2: of get us get an idea when it comes to magic.
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  Speaker 2: I know you had mentioned ceremonial magic. Did you start
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  Speaker 2: off in then or did you kind of start off
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  Speaker 2: more on witchcraft.
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  Speaker 6: Or I started like I read the Witchcraft books and
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  Speaker 6: like it felt like more of remembering. I'm like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 6: like I kind of know this already, like I understand this,
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  Speaker 6: this makes sense. But what I was really determined to
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  Speaker 6: find was a ceremonial teacher and that took me several years.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't until I moved out to Los Angeles where
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  Speaker 6: I was able to find a group that I was
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  Speaker 6: comfortable being initiated into. Nice and for context, i was
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  Speaker 6: twenty eight when I was initiated, and I'm thirty four now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah you are young.
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  Speaker 2: Jin or Brandon at interviews, have anything you wanted to
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  Speaker 2: ask before I keep going, or anything to add.
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  Speaker 3: What group were you initiated into? Obvious questions.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm an initiated priestess of a hermetic order. Due
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  Speaker 6: to oaths, I am not allowed to give you the name, Hope.
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  Speaker 5: That's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the difference to me, uh what about e jin anything? No? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: sorry about that, I muted myself. No, I mean I'm
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  Speaker 1: interested in this because okay, this this is a question.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not a question, but it's a thing that comes
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  Speaker 1: up with Nick and I. Pretty much every episode is
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of occult to start out in Catholicism,
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  Speaker 1: including myself and including Nick. So obviously there is a
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  Speaker 1: pattern there, a pattern. We have pattern noticers, right, like,
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  Speaker 1: we recognize what is there. So I also agree that
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  Speaker 1: there is something there. Now, I personally believe that it
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  Speaker 1: is hard for outer congregate members, just people going to
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  Speaker 1: church like every day, Like my family the way I
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  Speaker 1: was raised was very Catholic as well, and so I
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  Speaker 1: understand that like you're going, you're seeing the Rosicrucian elements,
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  Speaker 1: the certain Christian cabalistic elements, the idea of spirits aside
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  Speaker 1: from God. You're not necessarily worshiping them, of course, venerating,
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  Speaker 1: we would say, but you know, you're acknowledging that they exist.
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  Speaker 1: You acknowledge the presence of angels, you acknowledge all of these,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and also the other forces not just the
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  Speaker 1: you know, heavenly forces. So I wondered if you wanted
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  Speaker 1: to speak on that actually just like the sort of
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  Speaker 1: sort my apologies for that, sorry about that, if you
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  Speaker 1: could just speak on like if you think that that
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  Speaker 1: is accurate, like there is some kind of hermeneutic in
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  Speaker 1: Catholicism that seems to produce ocultists or magicians.
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  Speaker 6: No, absolutely, I mean you can see one of the
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  Speaker 6: things that I noticed. I've been to a couple of
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  Speaker 6: different versions of the Gnostic Mass. I've been to a
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  Speaker 6: magical Eucharist a la Golden Don's style, and you see
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  Speaker 6: where the influence of those traditions come to the lay
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  Speaker 6: people in Catholicism. In my personal experience, there was a
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  Speaker 6: lot of I would say, working with Now, let's like context.
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  Speaker 6: I'm from Florida, so there's like a hodgepodge mix of
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  Speaker 6: folk magic mixed in with Catholicism too. So there was
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  Speaker 6: a working with the saints, there was a working with
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  Speaker 6: the angelic forces in a way that maybe some other
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  Speaker 6: white people haven't experienced. And when I hosted the Occult
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  Speaker 6: Veiled podcast, we consistently found that there was a connection
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  Speaker 6: between people who were either initiated into through baptism into
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  Speaker 6: the Catholic faith, or just witnessed the ceremony of the
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  Speaker 6: Mass that is very reminiscent of a cult ritual. So
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  Speaker 6: absolutely there's a connection there.
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  Speaker 1: I love how you brought up there. Thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for my apologies.
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  Speaker 2: N no, no your phone. I love how you brought
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  Speaker 2: up the baptism Ashley. I had just recently said that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at that whole situation, that's
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  Speaker 2: an initiation to get into the church.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, and it's one that you probably don't choose because
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  Speaker 6: you're a baby.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I went through most of the sacraments. I went
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  Speaker 6: through baptism, I went through first Confession, I went through
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  Speaker 6: the Eucharist, and I went through Confirmation. So you know,
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  Speaker 6: in some ways, like my whole life has been one long,
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  Speaker 6: one long initial.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, psychologically it probably even worked out that
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  Speaker 2: way too, the way it's set up. Yeah, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad you brought that up. It's a good point. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't you recently even on your own Instagram it maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's Instagram of TikTok. I think you even posted something
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  Speaker 2: about about like the commonalities between Catholicism and the occult
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  Speaker 2: or something along that line, or Christianity or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, So the witch talk world on TikTok Break, which
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  Speaker 6: TikTok blew up essentially, which like popcorn.
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  Speaker 5: Like, oh, this is very fascinating.
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  Speaker 6: So we're seeing a lot of people move from the
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  Speaker 6: occultism and back into Christianity. And there's all this like
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  Speaker 6: I rebuke you Satan, blah blah blah. And I was like,
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  Speaker 6: all right, let's let's get into it, everybody. So I
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  Speaker 6: pulled out one of my favorite books, which is Meditations
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  Speaker 6: on the Tarot by Anonymous, which is like this big
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  Speaker 6: fat book and it literally goes through all of the
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  Speaker 6: Tarot card meanings through a Christian realm, specifically the writer
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  Speaker 6: Weight Smith deck, because we know Ae Weight was heavily
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  Speaker 6: influenced by Catholicism and Christianity when those cards were created.
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  Speaker 5: And so that was my way.
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  Speaker 6: To try to like bridge this seemingly like oh my god,
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  Speaker 6: everyone on the internet wants it to be this is
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  Speaker 6: my box, this is your box, y'all?
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  Speaker 5: What if there are bridges? Right?
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  Speaker 6: These don't have to be isolated traditions. In fact, syncretism exists.
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  Speaker 6: We all share commonalities and it's very frustrating.
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  Speaker 5: To see just see the division in the online community.
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  Speaker 6: And so that series, which is still available and I'm
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  Speaker 6: still making it. This is my little attempt to be
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  Speaker 6: like sprinkle sprinkle, guys, like here's a little bit of knowledge.
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  Speaker 6: Let's get out of the black and white thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Eh, no, that's that's great. I've even been like trying
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  Speaker 2: to out the difference. But you know, in the sphere
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  Speaker 2: of shows that were in and people that were you know,
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  Speaker 2: we associate with, there's a lot of Christian podcasters that
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  Speaker 2: just seemed to be on the satanic panic shit lately.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, yo, like I hate to tell you,
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  Speaker 2: but if you really start to kind of like look
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  Speaker 2: at the history of you guys, like we're related, like
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  Speaker 2: we're like basically builders and sisters, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: Like really, yeah, like can we stop this shit and
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  Speaker 2: maybe actually work together and try to understand God and
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  Speaker 2: haven't experienced the God together instead of what he's pointing
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  Speaker 2: the finger at us and saying we're horrible people, like.
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  Speaker 1: Just horrible people in the church too.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, so yeah, yeah, I just yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I totally get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: Fascinating thing about the book that you you did the
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  Speaker 4: Meditations on the Tarot. Actually, when I was chatting with
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  Speaker 4: Mark Booth, he brought up how that book is actually
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  Speaker 4: sitting on the desk of Pope John Paul the Second
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  Speaker 4: in a photo that everyone can look at, because he
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  Speaker 4: himself had his first mystical experience when he was part
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  Speaker 4: of the rosen Crucian society, when he was bish, when
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  Speaker 4: he was a cardinal before he became a pope. And
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  Speaker 4: so that's a fascinating thing in and of itself, and
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  Speaker 4: how brilliant that book is and how integrated.
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  Speaker 3: It is into the Christian religions, especially.
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  Speaker 4: Ththolicism, and how it's really hard to throw the baby
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  Speaker 4: out with the bathwater when one of the greatest quote
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  Speaker 4: unquote greatest popes of all time had that sitting on
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  Speaker 4: his desk at all times, so people could be like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: look at that, you know.
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  Speaker 6: For those who have eyes and ears to see and hear, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome that that book was on his thing. That's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And Margo with himself got admonished by a large community
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  Speaker 4: because he made that. He pointed that out and he
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  Speaker 4: just actually posted out next not too long ago, but
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  Speaker 4: it's in the Secret History of the World in his book,
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  Speaker 4: and he got kicked out of a lot of things
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  Speaker 4: because he put it in that book.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting enough.
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  Speaker 5: For such a loving community Christian.
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  Speaker 2: Hate, yo, that is you got to coin that. You
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: gotta put that on a T shirt. There's no love
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: like Christian eate. Holy shit, I've never heard that before.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: That is fucking perfect. Sorry, you're gonna get me going,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: all right. One thing I did when I ask too,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: when you decided to switch, I guess over kind of
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: from entertainment and MTV over to this. Was it like
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: a gradual thing or was it one day?
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: It was just like you know what, I'm just.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: Gonna It happened over a period of about five months,
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: so I was in twenty nineteen. I started becoming really
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: Internet famous, and it happened literally in two weeks. I
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: went from zero followers to twenty thousand and fourteen days,
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: and I was like, whoa, this is insane. And then
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: at the time I was still on the track to
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: become a screenwriter that I was working not just for
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: MTV but as a development assistant for director, and I
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: was like, oh, this is like this is fun, okay, cool,
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: Like this is a cool side hustle. And then after
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: COVID hit and I started to see the way that
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: the world was drastically changing, I made the official decision
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: in April twenty twenty one to leave. And that was
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: just the production was at the lowest point that I
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: had ever been. The writer strikes were coming, and I
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: just had this revelation of like, this is dying, This
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: is on its last leg, and it still is and
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: I don't know how it's coming back. But also I
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: can write and create whatever I want without the approval
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: of eight thousand executives breathing down my neck all the time.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: And so I've been on a journey learning how to
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: monetize content and learning how to find ways to support
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: myself by teaching this because there's still this very strange
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: old world belief that people shouldn't charge for the work
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: that I do, which is spiritual work, divination work, et cetera.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: And it's been a little bit of a struggle to
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: overcome that, but I think I finally have reached like
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: the apex of that, and like because of the the
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: backing of people like Sam and Colby, like it's become
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: a lot easier.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: That's how was that working with them?
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I meant to go back to that, actually when you
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: mentioned that's a pretty big I've watched a few of
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: their shows too.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: How was it working with them?
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: I love working with Sam and Colby. They're the most
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: respectful to my craft. I've been on several different shows
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: at this point, and some of those shows have gone
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: sideways because people don't listen to what I say. They
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: think it's a game. Sam and Colby don't think it's
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: a game. They know it's real, and they're very respectful.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: I took them through. Let's see, in twenty twenty four,
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: we did a spirit removal from their school in Ferrar,
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: which is in Iowa, and I was like, this is
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: like the most serious right now because we're performing solemonic magic.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: And I gave Sam a certain banner to hold to
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: behind me to make sure that nothing came up behind me,
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: and Colby was burning God bless him. He burnt his
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: hand Rosemary consistently, so I didn't have frankinsense at the time,
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: and I there are seldom few people who would take
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: it as seriously as they did.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: That's a plus.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: I mean that helps right, yeah, yeah, I mean, I
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: know they're goofy. I've seen how goofy they can be.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: But with me, they're very serious and they know it's real.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: That's wild that you got you and you remove the spirit.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: I did remove the spirit, and then at three thirty
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: one in the morning, we drove out to a creek
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: and we chucked it into the stream for the undines
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: to take care of.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Oh nice, that's cool. I don't know what made me.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know pumped into my head. You you might
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: know this, or.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I think it was in one of his books. Didn't
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: like lon Milo like even writing one of his books.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: At one time he was like somebody was asking him
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: to go like remove his spirit from his house.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I think he made saying like he talked about like.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I think he was like, I don't know how to, like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: how do I take the ring the circle with me?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Because he I think he did the goat to them,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: but he had to.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Go somewhere else and he took the rope and wrapped
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: it around his body and made it as a belt,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: so technically he never left the circle.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's genius, that is genius.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna remember that. Thank you.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he made the circle out of like a cloth,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: like a thing, and then wrapped it around his waist
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and tied it in and on, and he's like, I
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: haven't left my circle, and then he went to where
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: he had to go.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was in a few of his talks. Yeah,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: he said that. Yeah, definitely, I.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Love that because I did get hurt.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: I did have to leave the circle at one point,
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: and there's in their video you can see the scratches
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: on the back of my neck where the spirit did
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: attack me.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a rookie mistake, but live and learn.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Well, one thing I did when I ask you to,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I wasn't sure.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I know that, Like, just from seeing some of your posts,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I'm very much I would consider myself Athelamite.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I'm into Telema. Is that something that you're also like?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you if you really are into
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: that into that, if you consider yourself Athlamite. But I've
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: noticed you tend to have like THLEMI spin to, or
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you're friends with people that are well.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: I'm friends certainly with many Thlamites. Although that is not
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: my particular path, I have a great respect for it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: I think that that tradition is very much alive right
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: now and it's a very beautiful tradition. Marko Bisconti is
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: one of my online mutuals and I have both of
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: his books. One of them's here and once over here.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Actually, I think the first podcast I have listened to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of yours, well you had him on, didn't you?
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: I had Marko on.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first time I ever heard both
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: of you. Is actually a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, no,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: because I think I remember seeing you went on some
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: retreat I did something with long Milo, so I was like,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: oh she.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Might abb Yes.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been to two of his retreats, with Magical
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Retreats and Joshua treat I took an a Noochian Magic
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: Retreat which was phenomenal, and then I had his tart
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: architect class from his new book last March.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Nice. I heard that book is actually really good.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Yes, very good?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, jin or Brandon, did you guys have anything before
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I keep going whatever?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well I have ghost hunting questions. I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: was mine. I was trying to save mine until you
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: know you transition is that I was going to do
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: that anyway, So okay, I apologize. I just didn't want
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to seem like I wasn't you know here, but I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: am here. Okay, Okay, Ashley, So let's talk about that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You talked about doing the solomonic magic. What did you
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: do you find you find that there are particular I'm
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: going to be really autistic asking some questions, but so
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you just have to roll with me, ride with me, Okay.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Do you find that there are any particular planetary pentacles
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: or like intelligences that are very helpful in the practice
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of ghost hunting and or any other like it doesn't
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: even have to be a set ceremonial tradition obviously. I
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: come from it from contrac Budhism and more of a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: folk Catholic sorcery perspective. So I would never be doing
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: this the ceremonial stuff like for me particularly, but for
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: other people that are listening, like maybe they can adapt
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: or like you use a little chaos magic and sort
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of like work with the things that you use yourself.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Since your experience in doing this, so.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: The fourth pentacle of the Moon has been the most
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: helpful when it comes to protection. So that pentacle specifically
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: is for protection of the spirit and the soul. After
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Colby's mild mid possession back in twenty twenty four. We
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: now keep that on set at all times. I also
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: find that it's very helpful when you're entering a space
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: that you are, you give something to the spirits and
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: like everyone's always shocked that it's water like, it's just
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: that basic, like I pour water over the threshold of
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: whatever place we're going into.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: It just is a sign of goodwill.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: Does it always work in my favor, No, but it's
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: good to have for the benefic spirits that are there
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: for other forms of protection. It's hard when you're ghost
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: hunting because.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: You do want to you do want to be open,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: and that's the tricky part.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: It's because you need to be open enough to do
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: the communication, but you have to be protected enough that
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: it doesn't root you, or it doesn't doesn't try to
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: possess you. Now that's only happened twice, once with Colbean,
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: once with a different director, but it's very serious, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: you know, I'm only one person, so I can even
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: with the Catholic exorcisms, there's a minimum of two people.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: So oftentimes the spirits that I run into, they usually
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: are ghosts, and I take the manly p Hall perspective
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: that ghosts are astral shells that are inhabited by elementals,
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: so they can be very tricky at times. Yeah, I
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: guess that's always been my perspective of ghosts at least, can.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: We can I just stop you there, actually, because I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: think this is a very interesting also radical perspective for
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of even ocultists, Like this is and this
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: is like to be clear, I also view ghosts in
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that very tonsic way, like they are husks to us.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: They are not the fullness of the person. So for me,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: this makes a lot of sense. Like you're making I'm
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: making connections. So can you just go into that and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: like what made you come to that conclusion? And and
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: like do you find it like a like I find
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: it personally to hear you say that a radical departure
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: from a lot of other occult people. But maybe your
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: perspective is different. Maybe you're just super conventional and I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: So.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Manly P.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: Hall had this lovely pamphlet that you can purchase online
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: at PRS dot org called Unseen Forces, and within this
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: booklet he describes the nature of the aura. So the
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: org field is divided into seven natures, we're going to
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: focus on the lower four.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: So you have your physical.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: Body, your mental body, your emotional body, and your astral body,
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: which is the shell. Okay, once the physical body is gone,
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: most of us are not cremated. And within the Hermitic
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: and Rosicrucian tradition, if you're cremated within seven days, this
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: is not a problem for you. If you were not,
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: and you were laid to rest, either in a casket
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: or whatnot, you have a tether to this plane of existence. Now,
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: while your spirit and your soul have thus crossed the
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: threshold to the other side, the mental, emotional, physical bodies
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: and the shell are still here. That is why when
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: the elemental, let's think of it as a mask, right,
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: So I'm wearing a mask of Grandma, and so when
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: the little elemental comes in and is acting as Grandma,
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: it's gonna have Grandma's emotions, it's gonna have grandma's memories
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: of you. But it is not Grandma. It is the
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: mask of Grandma. And that is how manly Phall describes it,
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: and I find that to be the most accurate.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: That was great and a really great strong explanation, So
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for that. And I agree with
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that for the record, like you know, if anyone cares
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: about what I think. But I think that that sounds
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: very accurate, and I think it's also relational to a
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: lot of like world traditions, Like I think it completely
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: makes sense in a Buddhist friend, we might not use
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that exact language, but I think it is very cross cultural,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and I think it also makes sense to like Shintoism,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And I know, like Brandon talks on a little bit
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: about anime, I also talked a lot about anime myself,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Like this is a very common anime trope. You see,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: like the willow wisps sort of taking the you know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the form of the body, like they will they will
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: actually inhabit the body, but it's not really the ghost.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: It's actually the willow wisp, the little like spark or flame.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, this is really cool and interesting.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Joshley, of course, happy to talk
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like it may just me ghosts even creepy,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you know, oh yeah, and no way just to think
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: like it's some just weird shit or you know, somebody's
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: stuck and repeat. But saying it like that, it's like, oh,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: it's kind of creepy now, but I definitely get Ah,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: that's a pretty interesting idea even. I even feel like
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I've seen like symbolism of that mill stuff or that
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: idea even kind of like like a lot of times
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: when you'll see like a weird movie.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of a movie.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: It might have been a get out or something where
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: everybody kind of had just like U, there are duplicates
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: of them, but they didn't. They looked off a kind
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: of like they were wearing a mask. Yeah, stuff like that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: It's just just so if you said that made me
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: think about that stuff, Ashley, I wanted to ask with
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the with the paranormal. I'm just assuming you're probably interested
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: in paranormal. Uh probably, Oh you're outy here, Brandon. All right,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: lata I crew, I gotta go.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: It was wonderful to meet to Patheyan priestess. I have
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: to go be a mundane out there in the world
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: for the evening.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: So I I appreciate you all, brother, thank you, thank
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: you you guys.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're interested in the in the parent like
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I was interested in the paranormal as a kid.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Oh then again you started it four Uh yeah, but
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: what got you to cross over.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: I was a ghost tour guide in Sant Augustine, Florid.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: I was an.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: Undergrad, and so I had some very intense experiences.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: I was assaulted by a.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: Ghost, like physically grabbed and scratched in intimate areas of
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: my body. And so that's where I was like, this
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: is not enough, this is not like And that really
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: pushed me even further into the occult because, like, respectfully,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: the paranormal just scratches the surface of what is a
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: very deep tradition and some of the protection methods like man,
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: I love crystals. Crystals are fantastic. The rock isn't going
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: to do enough for you, though. You need something that's
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: consecrated under like the moon, like the fourth Pentacle for example.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I got to remember that the fourth Pentacle flod a. Sorry,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: sorry about that, guys. I just want to follow up
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the fourth Pentacle of the moon because I used to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: use this often when I did more of my Catholic wizardry.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Will say I associated with I associated it with a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: particular saint, or maybe several different saints, but I only
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: worked with one. Will say, do you associate it with
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: any particular spirits that aren't unnecessarily invoked on the on
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: these particle or is it just like you're invoking those
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: angels and intelligences.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: I attributed to the angels and intelligences. There was a
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: great book that just came out. Do I have it
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: with me? I just moved, So all of my books
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: are a little bit out of place when my guys here,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: it is.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: This book.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: So this book was just published last year, Emery's I
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: think it's Abner does a really really good job. But no,
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: I don't usually associate it with anything outside of what's
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: in this book. But how did you come to that conclusion?
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: I'm curious, well.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: As anyone who's listened to this show or my show
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: or the Gray Lodge knows, I love caball. So maybe
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: this was before I got really good at it though
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Ashley like, I've only been a serious student of it
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: maybe in the last two year two and a half years.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: But when I was doing the I would consider myself
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: a leftime path Catholic to give it any some context.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: So it was I think from the use of the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: seal itself, but then also like learning the correspondences, I'm
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: also really being into herbs, and I think that was
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: my actual first like way Nick knows this story quite well,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: but it was my first win that I started really
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: making those kind of mystical I guess you could say,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: or spiritual real spiritual connections. But in the natures of
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: things and understanding, there are different densities. There's like there's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: like a fire of air, fire of water, like there's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: all these four different natures five really if you do
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Buddhist elements. So I just think that it came from
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: It's partly from us like practical textual knowledge and then
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: also experiential wisdom. So I think I married those two things,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: but I didn't really understand what that was at that time.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But I'm using a more cabalistic way to explain it now.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: But back then I wouldn't. I would have been like, oh,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: it makes sense because of the saints, the particular saints
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: like iconography, what she's associated with, well, I just give
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it away, but what she's associated with and other things,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: so or what's see because I had one for each.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I had a male and a female saint that I
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: associated with the pentacles of the moon in particular. So yeah, no,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I think it was from both. Sorry to give you
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: a long wind answer, But I definitely was. It was
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I was a meeting death, but I didn't
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: understand what that was.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry, my light just fell. But I guess it's
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: just going to live that way now. But I think
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: that's really cool. Yeah, I totally understand. By looking at
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: the iconography of the saints, you can learn quite a
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: bit about them and the things that they are associated with,
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: because you're probably not going to find an encyclopedia like
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: Scott Cunningham's Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, this was the challenge, right is it be like,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: because I went to church like five days a week,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: so I was really serious about, you know, the path.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I thought I was like meant to pursue or whatever.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: So I, in a way I knew I was a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: left time path Catholic. I knew there were left hand
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: path saints, like canonical saints who are considered left time
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: path There's also Saint Bartholomew, like the Skinless one. Right,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: there's several, there's quite a few. Saint Peter's often considered
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a leftime path saint. It just depends on like how
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: deep in the lore you can get. Now, I will
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: say Judica Ills is my on Twitter. So she did
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: write quite a good book that's quite extensive on like
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the I know it seems like a little fluffy maybe
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: in the cover, but it's actually not. It's actually she's
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: quite extensive as a scholar, so she talks about it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't get anything that I didn't already know from
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that book. I'm saying for me, but for other people
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: who are going to look at it, yeah, that might
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: be a great place to start. Also looking in folk traditions,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like just as you said syncretism, just because you know,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: people were for a little while, we're very much like
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: syncretism's bad syncretisms like about power dynamics, and I don't
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: think that's true at all, Like I'm mixed race. I
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: will just say that I don't think that's true. I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: think it's a lot more about matching a couplistic correspondences
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and actually people doing it in like high IQ ways
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: like saying yeah, it may not be identical, but there
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: is like a pathwork two correspondences, and there's an actual
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: logical way to do it. So just because voodoo uses
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: maybe this spirit or this spirit or saint for this spirit,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're worshiping necessarily the voodoo spirit, but
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: maybe there's something in there where they're saying, oh, Saint
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Michael can be a left hand path saint. He can
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: represent this more like hotter spirit. How they would say,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: like more of a fiery spirit. Well, that makes a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: lot of sense, and Kimbonda also uses him for that.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: So then you start to make logical conclusions and say, oh, okay,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: this actually makes sense. He can be a very fiery,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a chathonic protector who brings all the lower spirits in
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: line so you can work with them while you're also
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: working with him. That makes a lot of sense. So
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: he would also be a left hand path saint. Now
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: what does that mean for everybody? For me as a Buddhist,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: now I would say that doesn't mean anything. But at
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that time, that dualistic division, as you were talking about
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that many Keianism, it meant a lot to me. So
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: but the more I've like come, I think, the more
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I've evolved, is the more less it matters. And I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: just look at it like it's all relative, you know.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: I had a really wonderful experience in my Philosophy of
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: Religion class in twenty eleven which was the same year
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: that I started hoarding the Pythian priestess Username, which was
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: my professor explained that the all of the world's religions,
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: you can look at them through the example he used,
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: which was Pink Floyd's album The Dark Side of the Moon.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: The imagery that we have, so the single ray of
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: white light, the prism which represents human consciousness, and then
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: the fractal light, so the red, the orange, yellow, green, blue,
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: et cetera. You can take all of the different religions.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: For example, we'll work with Isis for a moment, as
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: she is my patroness, and we'll put her in the
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: light blue category. Over time, we see how Isis, known
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: as the Goddess of ten thousand names, was brought into
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: different aspects of other people's religions. So with the trade
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: routes between ancient Egypt and ancient Greece, we would see
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: deities in ancient Greece start to take on the attributes
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: of Isis, which is why you find certain temples or
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: goddesses named Isis hyphen Aphrodite. And eventually with the birth
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: of Catholicism Christianity, you see that Isis and baby Horus
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: was morphed into Mary and Baby Jesus, and those all
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: stay in the same line of the blue ray, although
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: they may have different faces and names. And I think
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: that that's very similar to what you were talking about.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Jen, absolutely, And it's so interesting that you brought that up,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: like the trade route, because this is something I talk
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: about on the show and my show like there's probably
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: like like I'm gonna kill a kid.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: But.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: So I talk about this a lot. But I look
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: at it from the sort of the east to west perspective,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: like Central Asia to the west. So I've made this
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: connection before. Is that I find there to be a
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: lot in common between Buddhist Tara. She is blue green,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: very much like how the Nile is described as an Isis.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I find that to be very similar. I also think
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: there's a very similar story in the piranhas meaning like
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: the Shiva Shakti story and the Isis Osiris story. It
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: just takes But if you look at it identically, and
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you look at it and say, oh, it must be
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: one to one, No, it's never going to fit one
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: to one because you're talking about cross cultural maybe a
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: thousand years of ways it can change. Because the really
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: interesting thing about the Puranic story is it's not Osiris
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: who gets divided into fifty one pieces, it's the Shakti.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: So it's the Tara. She the star gets divided into
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: fifty one pieces, she falls to earth and those become
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the energetic Shokti bodies, the Shakti pedas. So I'm what
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: you're saying is not wild to me at all. It
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: makes complete sense. I know it's also based in like
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: archaeology and history and you know, textual knowledge. It's I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: not saying it's not, but I think that people should
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: be more open to hearing the complicated ways in which
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: these things are really interacting. Nothing is alchemically.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Sealed, nothing exists in a vacuum either.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that. Yeah, I totally agree, Jim, did
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you have anything else the paranormal? Well, I mean, I
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: didn't want to take all your questions, Dick, but I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: wanted to ask because I know you love plants as well,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: so we always share that in common. But the I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the like what you prefer to
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: use in terms of like practical material magica, Like what
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: do you go to a ghost hunting site with and prepared?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Like maybe talk about like what you would do as
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a preliminary I love that you talked about water, and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I wanted to say that right after that, because that's
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: actually a very practical like this is very contract Buddhist, Like,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: this is something you do, like you offer water. It's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: not people will be like whiskey or coffee. No, you
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: don't want to give them hot things. You don't want
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to inflame them more. You want to bring them into
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: like a place of equanimity and balance and like sort
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: of like if you can, like this is something that
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I like actually talked about right away. You have to
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the good spirits are gonna be beneficent, but water is
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: a medium to carry that. The negative spirits may not
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: even be into the offering of water, and they probably
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: won't be, so they'll just ignore you. So the worst
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: it can do is make the benefic spirits slightly more
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: amenable to you. That's not a bad thing. So this
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: totally make that totally makes sense to me. I just
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: wanted to say that, but like give an outline of
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: what practical things you do at the very beginning, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: then what you would put in your tool kit. And
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: then also I'll ask like a special emphasis on like resins, plants,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: gempstones if you use them or not or anything like that.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Sure, absolutely so most of the time I don't know
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: where I'm going, so it's like a very much like
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: surprise you'll find out. One thing that I always carry
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: with me is rosemary. I love rosemary. It's probably my
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: favorite herb, and mostly for its exorcism properties, and it
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: brings light the sun solar energy immediately into a space
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: to dispel any illusion that is being cast by the spirit.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: So I always have a bundle of rosemary. I have
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: like twenty five of them ready to go, like just
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: lined up in my altar space. I also well, also
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: I have a selenite wand that I bring not selenite,
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: want a selenite dagger, and this has become quite a
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: problem with TSA. They are not particularly fond of my
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: selenite dagger, so it now has to get I have
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: to purchase the bag now and place it inside. I
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: used to bring obsidian because it absorbed, but as I
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: learned at the conjuring house, some spirits are so strong
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: it will break Upsidian city and malachite dagger that I
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: bought in Mexico in twenty twenty one and it's snapped
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: in half. When I was doing a spirit removal from
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Sam mc colby, so I was like, well, I need
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: to have something a little bit lighter that's not just
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: going to absorb, but to clear. So I also when
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: I'm conducting the magical operation of the spirit board, I
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: am supposed to have a dagger to threaten the spirit with,
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: so I use a selenite dagger. Now I also carry
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: Matilda at the store that I work at. She makes
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: them the goetic candles, which are sealed with the seal
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: of Solomon. And so if I need to bind a
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: spirit or place a spirit in this like in the
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: altar for the spirit board, I use that candle. She
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: uses what she calls reclaimed Christian wax. So she actually
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: goes to like Catholic church and like scrapes off all
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: of the wax and like dyes it black and like
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: does the full correct procedure to make those candles. I
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: also have multiple magical circles that I bring with me.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: I have my the sigil of the Moon, which I
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: painted by hand. It took about fifteen hours to make it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: It's nine feet big, and that is used for any
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: kind of divinatory work. So if we need to bring
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: other guests or Sam mc colby themselves into a trance
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: like state, I have them sit on the moon circle
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: and we perform the moon breath for about five minutes,
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: which works quite well. I also have the lesser ritual
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: of the pentagram Matt that we use. I use that
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: one quite frequently because it does have the angelic names
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: I've written in Hebrew for protection, and I'll perform the
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: LRVP around us and then the BRH and other forms
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: of magical workings regarding other herbs. I do have like
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: a kit that I bring with me. It's one that
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: I built myself from the apothecary at the Crooked Path.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: So I bring things like and it's just sometimes spirits
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: want certain things. So rose petals as an offering seems
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: to work well for like ghosts. Ghosts seem to like that.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: Not necessarily other.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: Spirits will say.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: I also carry forget me nots again flowers like the
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: ghosts like flowers for whatever reason. But also forget me
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: nots have like that lunar correspondence, which works quite well.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: Jasmine.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: And then there's just like it's literally like the entire shelf.
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: It's just like shelves and shelves of herbs and these
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: tiny little bags. For whatever reason, I've had to perform
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: reversing spells, which I carry chili peppers for. That's probably
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: my second main herb is chili peppers because they have
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: hex breaking qualities and they're associated to Mars, so I
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: carry that. And then I also carry homemade Florida water
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: concentrate because I have learned that again, TSA not a
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: big fan of large bottles of liquid, So bring my
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: little three ounces and I just pour it into a
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: jug of water. I pray Psalm fifty one over it
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: during the hour of the sun and badabang bada boom.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: Got some holy water.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. I like it to use. Yeah, that's great.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: My apology is no good. I just wanted to say, Okay,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: first of all, this to all all that totally made sense. Obviously,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: spirits and flowers floral sense because it's like very fragrant.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: The ghost world, as we would say Briddism has the
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: they're most susceptible to fragrance, which is why you would
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: burn incense or give flour offerings. So that completely makes sense. Yes,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the lunar correspondences that also seems to have a pacification
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: element with spirits. Often people would say give mallow to spirits,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: like marshmallows or hollyhawks or things like that, because that's
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: a very it's soothing, right, Like the medicinal and the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: spiritual uses are like very mutually informed in a way.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: That emollient property that like you know, wet kind of
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: thing that it does that is very good for a
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: wound healing. That is also would obviously makes sense if
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: you're pacifying something that's angry and inflamed, then you'd use that.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Then the chili pepper thing, I thought that was an
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: interesting choice because I also like chili peppers, not telling
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: all myself, but it does have an element because you
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: like rosemary. You're saying that's your favorite herb. That's a
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: very solar, like very very strongly solar herb, right, But
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: there is a part of the sun that is very marshal.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: There's an element the heat of the sun that is
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: very marshal. So I thought that's a really interesting correspondence.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: You went right from the solar, like the Saint Michael
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: quality into his like very marshal maybe a little left
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: hand path like sameo sort of like turn of events.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I thought, that's really interesting.
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: Thank you, yes, and then I always call in. I
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: went through Agrippa's three books of a cult philosophy, and
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: he has a section that are dedicated to the angels
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: of the different planets, and so if I'm having difficulty
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: with a particular entity, I call upon the archangel this
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: sphere of intelligence and the spirit which, like some people
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: I guess don't know this, some of those spirits are
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: demonic entities. So sometimes you need to call in the
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: demon to put the demon down. This is sometimes how
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: it works.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: If you read Agrippa, you would know that that's everybody listening,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: like it for for real. That's really that's a really
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: great point. If you really read Agrippa, you would you
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: would kind of know that. You would be like, there
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: is You're actually just bringing the hosts into like a
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: harmonious balance by invoking both sets of spirits. That's the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: whole point of Agrippa. And that even goes to the
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: point you were saying about making the Catholic candles. People
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: have been doing this for like probably two thousand years,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: is making ritual candles from the wax that is found
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: at church, whether it's for higher angelic invocations or for
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: grouatic implications like that. It's mutually again, mutually informed sort
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of material magic. It's like it's been going on a
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: long time, truly, it has.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I like how you use the planetary Squire. Yeah, I
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: used to use zachkil Hmmm. Yeah, that's pretty cool that
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: you mentioned a group of two. It's just good to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: hear other people because sometimes I feel like when me
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: and other people were on the show bring this stuff
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: up and we don't, they don't hear it from the guests.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe they think we're just pulling shit out of a
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: rays or we're just I don't know. So it's just
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: good to have somebody else who's a guest on like
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: saying the same shit.
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: So nerds find nerds.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: It's just you know, yeah, the rosemary, that's you know.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I used to make a I was real big on
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: using rosemary my stout. So I used to make a
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I used to make a what did you call them?
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I totally forgot it's been a while since I made them.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Those when you make those sticks or whatever you call
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: them now, it is. I used to make sticks of
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: rosemary to burn, and I used to uh, yeah, I
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: used to uh mix it with lavender.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I used to use the rosemary to banish kind of.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: And like clear out the area, and then lavender to
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: try to set like a magical intention before I would do, yeah,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: to do my own rituals. And uh, I wanted to ask, I,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I know what you meant, but for people, you mentioned,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: you know, the lesser banishing ritual of the Pentagram, and
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: then I think you might have said that l we
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: were referring maybe the lesser hexagram is that?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: What?
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, not putting you on the spot just
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: so people can hear it from somebody else, could you just.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Explain very basic.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: You don't have to go crazy because you really could
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: you know, nerd out on what these things are for.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, just give people a
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: little bit of an understanding of what the banishing ritual
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: of the pentagram was and then.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: That sure, So the LRBP or the lesser banishing ritual
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: the pentagram is to clear your microcosm. So we all
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: carry kinds of different kinds of energies with us, and
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: if I'm going to do some kind of communication, I
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: do not want to be interfered with whatever is around me.
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: Or whatever I've brought with me, and so I remove
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: all of it. It also activates you on the astral plane,
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: so you become more lit up to spirits in a way.
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: So it's just kind of like, hey, I'm here and
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: that is helpful. So you call in the four archangels
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: around you in a circle in order to completely clear
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: the space, thus helping you create a magical, sanctified space.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: I like to compare it to.
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: A surgery, like I'm going to cleanse and purify my
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: table before I start surgery. You don't do surgery on
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: a dirty table. And then the lesser banishing ritual of
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: the hexagram is there's many reasons to do this ritual,
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: but I particularly do it to remove any planetary interference.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: So the day of the week.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: The hour, whatever, I don't want that influence. I want
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: to be in control. I want to be in command here,
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: so I just remove anything that is not what I
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: want and unshackle myself from the influence of those planets
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: using that ritual.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: That was awesome, Thank you so much. Perfectly said I
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: have a quick follow up to that. If it's okay, Nick,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: go for it. Okay. Well, it's something that she brought
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: up before. Actually, and I'm not trying to be like
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: call her out or anything, it's not about that. But
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: she mentioned that you don't want to create a barrier.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: So maybe you don't want to go full s attorney
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: and just create like a boundary where the spirits cannot pass.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Is that would be much more of the nature of Saturn,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: where you're creating, like you know, call boundary that they
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: are atual, maybe boundary that they cannot cross over. You're
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the master of the domain. But because the yes, so
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: it is parts Binna right, like there are parts of
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Saturn in the moon. It makes total sense. That's a
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: great sort of sehere to draw from because you're both.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: It's both the realm of spirits or at least the
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: sub lun areas and also it. But it also gives
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: you mastery over the sort of kingdom that you find yourself,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: which is also yourself. So I actually really agree with that,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and I think that's a great choice I personally, and
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: this is not in not I don't disagree at all.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I think the lunar is a great place to be.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I think because of my nature, I would go with Jupiter,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: which might surprise people, but if you're familiar with some
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: of the exactly, well, I'm a Sagittarius, it makes sense
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: for me, right, I would go more expansive. But there
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: are pentacles in the you know, in the Jupiter part
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: of the book exactly that actually do give give power
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: over spirits and also protect against them. So you have
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: it's not just the typical choices, like you don't have
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to go Marshaal, you don't have to go Saturn. You
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: can actually sort of think about things and you can
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: be more Where am I going to position myself? Where
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: do I find myself mostly in ritual working or magical work?
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: And like how is my regular consciousness? Because I think
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: that plays a big sort of part, and like your
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: choices and sort of like the ways that you get there.
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: On the back of the spirit board, I have the
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: Olympic spirit of Jupiter on the back of the board
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: that I have the boys stare at beforehand in order
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: to expand their mind in order to have that energy.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: It's also made up a specific wood dedicated to Jupiter
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: for that same purpose.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: So I completely understand where you're coming from.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I like what I did, what I used to work
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: with zav Gail's off and so much. I got a
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: piece of wood that would be Yeah, I think it
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: might have been seedar for Jupiter or something, and I
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: took wood burning thing and actually burned decigil in. I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: don't make it, you know, and I would just reuse
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: that all the time.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: Nice, very effective.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like how you mentioned, uh, the Olympic spirits, right, yeah,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: can you Yeah, you're not putting you on the spot.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: You just want to let the listeners know a little
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: bit about what those.
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, every one. There's not a whole lot I can
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: say about it due to oaths, but they're very important
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: in a grouppa's work.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: Uh. And you'll learn that these these.
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: Particular spirits, just like we have the angels, the archangels,
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: and the spirits, the Olympic spirits, they have particular sigils.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: There's not a lot I can say about that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Nick, I'm sorry, oh yeah, yeah, oh well uh yeah
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: they're planetary, Yeah, aren't they in the armadal It's there's
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: a there's a grimoire out there. I mean I can't
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: remember it off hand, but I would. Yeah, it's yeah,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: I could answer the question. I just wanted you to
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: give people your right. Yeah, yeah, they're planetary spirits.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was just interesting to hear somebody else'say Olympic spirits.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah nice.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because even when I had used you know, I
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: didn't use him too often, and it was funny he
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: always stuck with Jupiter too. I can't remember I get
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: o G Song. I can't remember the name for Jupiter anymore.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: But I used to use that one.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I used to use.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I used to use that one sometimes. I had had
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: an infinity for Jupiter at one point, so yeah, yeah,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: it was just cool to hear somebody else because I
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: didn't even know too many people who really worked with
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: them either.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Uh oh it was gin. Did you have anything else?
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I mean I could go on, like I could like
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: spurg out with Ashley and we could talk about like
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the different correspondences and like different ways to like utilize
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: material magica and like what's around you and like the
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: of the new world. I mean, we could definitely go
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: into that or like other methodologies. Maybe this is a
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: good entry into that, so we'll all let actually go
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: for a free range wherever she wants to go. But
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: homemade Florida water and psalm fifty one This is to
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: me a very logical conclusion, or like a logical putting
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: together a practical cabala with like a more spiritualist technology.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Like it makes total sense if you know understand each
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: of those two things. But I think people have a
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: reticence to like, well, first of all, all of those
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: things were obviously always mixed together. I think people have
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: lost a lot of that sort of knowledge of why
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: those things were mixed together, and maybe that they even were.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: But I think that people should embrace that synchrostic, synchronistic
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: element of magic as well as maybe why did you
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: start using the Florida water? Ashley? So I'll make it
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: anto question of my apologies. Why did you start using
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: the Florida water? And what do you find that it
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: does in particular? And why do you prefer homemade over
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the comer varieties?
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: So I grew up in Florida, and so Florida water
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: was something that was very prevalent around me. I dated
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: a young man who was in the process of being
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: initiated into a spiritismo, and so I watched and learned
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: a lot from him, and he used commercial Florida water,
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: but he would pray over it, and that like I
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: was like, okay, so like you can buy this and
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: it still works, like it's okay. A lot of it,
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: I think, especially when like folk magic, you learn that
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: like a lot of it's in the intention behind the
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: what you're using, especially because the enslaved people and the
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: minorities who created that tradition did not necessarily have much
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: available to them. But I particularly like the homemade stuff
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: because I can choose what's in it I know exactly
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: like and there's also no dies, right, So, like one
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: I had this massive oopsie where I did not bring
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: my concentrate. I had forgotten it, and so I had
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: to go purchase it from a CBS store to the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: Florida water and the oil in it really ruined the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: finish on the spirit board. It caused me a lot
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: of problems. I had to like completely sand down the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: board and repaint it and refinish it. So for practical
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: reasons like one, I get to choose which herbs are
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: inside of it, how the herbs are going to interact
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: with each other, but also I want to make sure
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: that my products and my tools.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: Are going to stay.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: Of just able to be using them, Like making the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: spirit board sticky makes it unusable at that point. The
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: other thing that I'll say about that is when the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: concentrate is made too Salvatore, who is my boss at
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: the cricket path right like, he's so helpful in so
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: many things, and there are times where I just buy
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: the concentrate straight from him because I know that there's
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: a magician making it. And it's been it's been a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: journey to figure out, like what I wanted.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: I've used holy water.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: From churches before, especially I was shooting a TV series
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: that never aired. It was called Exploring Haunted America, and
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: I had to go to a church to go get
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: holy water just because there was no Florida water available
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: and I had run out of the concentrate at the time.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: It does work, but I also I have to wonder
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: it's like a lot about who makes it and where
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: what energies are being placed into it. So I can
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: clear the commercial Florida water and bless it myself.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: I can.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: The holy water definitely had some powers to it, and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: it had the ability, but I also know that you
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: know that energy of the church is going to be
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: a part of it as well, and I have to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: wonder whether or not the spirits can see that. They're like, okay,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: like you're using this, like maybe it's not as powerful
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: because it's not something that you normally would use. That's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: just my speculation.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: No, that makes total sense. I was even thinking that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: when you were talking about the nature of holy water,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: like how it would be the up to who makes it,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: because I found this exactly like what church you get
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: it from? Is the church particularly holy? Is it particularly
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: recognized by other people? Not talking about magicians necessarily, but
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I think you also hit on it talking about your
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: boss he makes the Florida water, so you know, magicians
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: behind it. Not every priest has the same potential, and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: not every priest believes it, Like, let's just be honest,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: it's just that. And this is true for I'm not
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: even singling out Catholics in any way, because I think
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: this is true of a lot of religions. I know,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I've had Santero's make me certain things and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't really like the you know, the result. That
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that every centero is the same. It just
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: they're different potentialities for different people. So no, I think
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. I get my if
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I because I would mix. I would also do my
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: own homemade Well, I don't really do Florida water, but
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I do Obey water, which is like a little bit
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: more of that Jamaican recipe. But yeah, when I use it,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I mix it with holy water from a church. But
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: it's a very specific church named after a very specific saint.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: And I mean that totally makes sense to me one hundred.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Now do you do? I don't know if the Florida
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: water is alcohol based, but I know sometimes in Venezuelan
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: is spiritismo, and I think I've seen pictures of this
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: in Mexicano Spiritismo. They will do pentacles or certain things
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: with the Florida water and then they will light it
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: a flame. Now I'm not saying that you guys you
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: do that actually, but maybe that would if you ever
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: had to do that, Like, would you do that? It
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: might be really cool for YouTube. I don't know, but
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: it would.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: Look so cool for YouTube. You're totally right. I love
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: that I have not done that.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: Some places where we're going goes hunting, you know, they're
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: really really old, so their fire rules are strict. But
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: that is something that if I'm ever in a location
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: in which that I am allowed to do said things.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: I certainly will thank you.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Well, you're most welcome, and like, yeah, I agree, don't
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: do that anywhere that's not totally fireproof. But this is
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: why a lot of like those Mexican shrines, like the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Borderland shrines, they'll be like I will all be made
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: of tile. So when you see like pictures of it,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: that's always tile. And I think that people like more
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Western magicians are like wondering, like why would that be, Well,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: it makes sense if you have like cast iron pots
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: of burning salt, and cast iron pots of burning herbs,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: and clay pots of burning herbs, and then this Florida
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: water stuff. Yeah, you want somewhere that is easy to clean,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: that the wax is going to come off, and then
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: also that you can light on fire safely and you're
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: not going to you know, endanger yourself for everyone there.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: So so don't definitely don't do that unless you know
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. But yeah, I agree, it would look sick.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, lock that away.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I And even like smoke, sometimes they don't let
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: you burn incense. I may have broken that rule and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: then like shot myself.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: In the foot.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: We were doing a it was like a crossing over
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: the rich ritual at the s K.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: Pierce Mansion Sam and Colby.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: This didn't make it into the episode, but they've talked
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: about it, so I think I am allowed to. I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: can't remember it's it's a sulfur based It's a sulfur
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: based powder that when you light it on fire, it
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: creates like an excessive amount of smoke, and I can't
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: remember it sources with an A anyways, So I had
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: an abalone shot thank you as a fatita, that is it.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: And so I had called in as Azazel as Reel
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: as Reel, the Angel Death to help this spirit crossover
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: who had been brutally murdered in the space.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: And it like you just need like not even a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: dime's worth. You want like half a dime. And I
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: was like.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: Well, this is like going to give her the little
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: kick that she needs to like really get pushed off
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: into the into the next dimension or whatever you want.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: To call it, and just but it wouldn't stop. It
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: would not stop.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: At four o'clock in the morning, the fire alarms are
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: going off, and I was like, this is it. This
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: is my last Stam and Colby trip. They're going to
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: kick me off the team because the police are going
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: to show up. Thankfully, everything turned out okay, we were
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: able to find a fan and stop the fire alarm.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: But and it was so weird, Jen, because I like
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: looked at the amount that I put on there, and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: I was like, that should not have created that much smoke,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: And there was absolutely no reason for that to have
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: been as powerful as it was.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I'll say, the ass of Atita is wicked, wicked, like
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: do not just burn that like in a closed room,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: for sure, But I agree with you, there's so much
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: sulfur content, right, Like if there is a negative or
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: like that kind of presence, it's not going to tolerate that.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Ask the content, like what is the chemical composition of
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: that plant? There's a reason why every single culture uses
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: as of Fatita or asiatita like a relative for exorcism,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Like Angelica is also related to Assi Fatita. It's just
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: not as hot. It's more solar in its nature, where
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: as of Fatita is like straight up like almost like
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: deeply martial in a way that's almost like it's the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: fire of fire like you are. There's no getting out
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, game over, end game.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Jen, Did you have anything else about the it go something.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I guess what is a useful cleansing ritual for When
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: this is something I often think about it, like when
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: the ghost hunters like go home, Okay, they've had you there.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: They take it seriously and but they're you know, they're
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: still kind of open people, Like I'm sure as you know,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: because you're a spiritualist and your spiritual practitioner, you understand
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: you always want to have a relative. Oh, ever, be
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: so closed off from that that you think that you're
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: the only one is you're the only thing that's real.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: But you also want to sort of like be protected.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: You don't want you know, like you don't want those
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: things following home. And obviously the more you encounter them,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: the more likelihood that they will or that you will
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: attract something else to you. So my question is, like
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: what do people do when they are not with you
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: actually when they don't have your expertise, or like when
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: they're at home and they're kind of like in between
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: ghost hunting locations.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: The first thing I would say is that you need
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: to set that boundary when you're leaving, So like maybe
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: maybe the spirit's not going to listen to you, right,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: so you can say you will not follow me home,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: you will not haunt me, you will not contact my
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: family members. You can set all those boundaries, and then
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: I would call in Michael the Archangel. There's this magnificent
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: prayer that I that I have. I also reposted it
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: on my Instagram recently. It's quite a long prayer to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: Michael the Archangel, removing all attachments, chords, et cetera, any spirits, demons, succubis, incubi,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: et cetera that are and you basically place yourself in
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: a circle of fire temporarily right. And so you place
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: that and you're cutting all chords and ties to that place.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: Really the prayer and.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: The intention here or most important, I would also face
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: south in that case to come. And that's one thing
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: I've noticed though, is like after those ghost hunting rituals,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: I get confused sometimes because you're in that lunar energy
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: for so long, Like you make stupid mistakes, you make
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: you're not paying attention, You're not I would be very
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: meticulous if I was in my right mind. When you're
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: ghost hunting and you're in that space, sometimes you're not
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: in your right mind. So having literally writing it down
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: on your phone and having like a notesap of like
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: step by step ritual is super helpful, so you don't
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: make those mistakes.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: The other thing I have.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: I enchant soap for banishing. So my friend at Lunam
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: Love Kelly, she's made me and we've sold banishing soap.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: Beforehand it was, oh, it was a mixture of rosemary,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: of course, and then she mixed it with some other herbs,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: especially in like the base, and then peppermint for the
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 6: smell itself. And so I will go take a shower
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: almost immediately after. I don't care if it's seven am.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: I'm going to shower before I close my eyes, and
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: with the intention of like, I remove any and all cords,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: any residue from the space. And you can do that
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: with regular soap too, if you put the intention into
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: the soap. The other thing I would say is I
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: fast before I go into these spaces. I don't eat
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: meat for a minute. I'm almost twenty four hours beforehand,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: and so as soon as I'm done eating, you best
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: believe I'm gonna eat meat, because that is going to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 6: ground me back into my body so fast.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that you said that about like being
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: in the Oh. Sorry, sorry, ashually, I mean are you back?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Sorry about that? I don't know. I had to delay
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: on my screen. It seemed like I was interrupting Coors.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I know. I love that you said that about the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: sublutiononary like lower yesda consciousness. That is so true. Like
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: you do make mistakes, you do your delusory, but it's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: not because you're like necessary outside of yourself. That's part
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: of yourself too, but it's the scattered, you know, more
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: elemental nature of yourself. So yeah, you're gonna that's great.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm I'm horrible at this. Everybody who knows me
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: knows I'm not a great magical journaler. I tend to
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: think about my experiences and then let them go, like
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: I'm very Maybe that's why Buddhism's for me because I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: can just you know, abandon them as soon as they happen.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: But no, I agree, magical journaling is definitely the way
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: to go, and so you can actually see the results
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: and like, also you can modify what you're doing for
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: next time, if something you didn't if you didn't do
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: something you liked, that's a great way to do it. Yeah,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: domain magical formulas without writing them down first. This is
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: something I had to learn the hard way. I also
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: love that you talked about spiritual bathing. I think this
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: is so neglected in terms of it's not really if
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: you again, if you really read Agrippa, spiritual bathing is
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: really number one importance. But a lot of modern occult
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: is a lot of contemporary wizards or sorcerers whatever they are,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: they have forgotten this art, I guess. And so we
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: have to draw from this from the folk traditions like
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: my dad's Indonesians. So I often talked about this. We
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: have a very extensive like spiritual bathing culture. And you know,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: we call it munday bungo, which just means lucky water really,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: and but it can be used for don't just use
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: the name. Think of the name as just lucky. It's
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: it's used for exorcism. There are different, obviously formulations it's
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: but espiritismo has many. One thing from Kimbonda is that
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: you always do a bath with basil, at least basil,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: so I would always use three herbs. This is something
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: that I sort of something I liked, a convention. I
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: liked that I exactly Ashley gets it. But this is
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: a convention I offer. I found myself using instead of
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: because I could do I can easily do thirteen herb
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: correspondences to a bath. I can do seven, I can
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: do nine, but three just seems to be the perfect number.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: So I just found that three is the best. So yeah,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: basil would be always used in Combonda after you visit
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: the graveyard, so this totally makes sense. I would also
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: go into ritual like obviously with a preparatory herbal bath.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: But I love that actually said soap because this is
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: something that the Mexicans know, that they know really well.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: It's not just that it's their knowledge, it's just that
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: they preserved at the best is they have a lot
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: of spiritual soaps. And it's not just about the herbs.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: The herbs are useful, it's it's a it's a you know,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: spiritual technology. But as actually said, really the main technology
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: is your mind, Like it's your intention to get there
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: there to do the work. So it doesn't if you
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: just have a regular bar of soap, Yeah that can work.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: There is like a there is a magical function to cleaning.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: So that makes total sense to me as well. So
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: everything you said I thought it was great. I think seconded.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: I love the thing you said I'm a vegetarian, but
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: I appreciate what you said about the eating meat. And
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: it's not because I'm like, I'm not a vegetarian for
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: the conventional reasons. It's more because I think that eating
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: meats to masic, like you said, it roots you into
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: the material world. Like if you're very worldly like me,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: you need that, You need the other kind of thing
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: to sort of lift you up a little in your life.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: So that's, you know, it's just a life choice I made.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: That's also magical in a way. So yeah, I agree everything.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I think everybody that was great. If anyone even just
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: to go into regular ritual not just you know, ghost hunting,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: I think that people all those rules, I think they
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: would find themselves a lot more in success.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's taken. It's taken a couple of years to
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: kind of figure out the right way to do this
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: and ways that you can do easily while traveling.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: Because the.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: I call it my little Exorcism bag because that looks
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: like the bag from the Exorcist, but it weighs like
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: twenty five pounds. It's a hefty bag, and like not
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: everyone needs to be carrying all that around all the time.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: Because it does get exhausting.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: That is great. I was gonna ask.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: You probably explained the most of it here and there,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: which is talking about stuff that you have on you,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: But one thing I did want to kind of, you know,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: ask you, like, could you maybe give us an idea
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: of like I guess what your bag is?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: What's in that bag that you take with you? Like,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: is there like something you take every time you go?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: You guys want to see it? It's still built.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: To get it, Yeah, I'll go get it.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: That is great. Nice. I'll say this maybe in the
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: interstitial because I hate silence on there and Nick knows this.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I always have to talk or someone has to be talking.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: But what do you like, Nick? In terms of like
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: if you were going to burn an herb for exorcism,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: you only had one to pick, what would you choose? I? Well,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I actually would have went with Rosemary probably. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: neither that. Well, it doesn't really surprise me.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, are you also counting frankinsense? I mean, because that's.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, say Frankensnse. Well, if you're using resin as the base,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: that's totally fine too, because you could go either way, right, Like,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: that's the whole thing of like I would have picked
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: you doing the oils or doing like formulas. Is do
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: you count certain things? Like do you count the oil?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Do you count the resin? Some people do, some people don't.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: So that's always a question, right, Yeah.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: I used to use rosemary oil two, and I used
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: to use a lot for like vanishing and stuff or
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: like even uh, cleansing, like I would a while ago.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: I used to cleanse the pie in my apartment in
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: my place like once a week, and I would I
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: think I included rosemary, and so I'd like this concoction
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: that I made. I find it funny how you said three.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: I used to do that too. Ice us three herbs
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: in three crystals.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. There's a reason three is a magic number.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just got the back here. This looks crazy.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I think it looks big.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: It's massive. So here's my grim moore that I use.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: I have in here. I have all kinds of stuff
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: written in here.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: So the main thing, I have the spearboard procedure. I
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: have the invocation to Ozriel. I have the Greater curse
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: just in case someone's being naughty. And then I have
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: a general curse against all spirits that rebel. And then
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: I made all of these questions and I was too
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: lazy to like write them all out, so I just
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: copy and pasted questions for spirits so I can identify
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: them and figure out who I'm talking to if they're
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: telling the truth, you know, always a thing with spirits.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: Here is my obsidian mirror.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: So I use this for multiple purposes, but sometimes it's
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: just easier, especially sometimes spirits just like want to be
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: up on you, and I'm like, no, no, you need
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: to back off, and you can hang out in this.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: You can hang out in the black obsidian this. And yeah,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: I've got two different pens, one red and one white,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: depending on what I need to use it for if
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: I need to write stuff on it. Here is the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: goetic candle I was talking about. So it was tunneling
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: because the spirit was being a pain.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: As they can be.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: This is my water cup offering. This is my Isis
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: cup that I have on some sunstones down here for her.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: I like having. Oh I'm sorry, didn't hear you, guys.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I used to have anis cup too. That is really nice.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: Cool.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: So this this is you can't really see there it
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: is so you can see it does have the etched
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: in pentagram. So this is what I use if I'm
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: doing any kind of divinatory work, for like like pendulum
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: work or charm throwing.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: This is hand painted.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: No, you can't buy this anywhere and you have to
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: make it yourself. And then we've got so this in
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: this bag is I'm not going to take it out
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: cause it's huge.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: This is the sigil of the moon.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: So this is for like any kind of moonwork or
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: your stowed work that we're going to be doing.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: This is this is the spirit box working, spirit Box,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: spirit board. I don't do the spirit box, Sam and
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: Colby do the spirit Box, but I'm very proud of this.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: I'm very proud. I just got this recently for my protection.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: We have.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: Oh it is like a it's the tetragrammaton seal, so
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: I would wear this if something is going awry, will say.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: And then from the Enochian Antiquarian on Etsy I have.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: I'm so proud of this.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: I have my own triangle of manifestation now that's portable.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: And then I put the black mirror on top of it.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: Because you can't really take something like this on an airplane,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: it just becomes very difficult and like they'll break can
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: like cause a lot of difficult problems. Here the spirit
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: boarders at the very bottom. But this is the plan
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: chet that I made. Come here, come on here you are.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: And just just for the listeners, with the people watching
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: that thing, I'm just making sure too for myself, that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: is where you would kind of expect whatever you're trying
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: to summon would show up in that triangle.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: Correct, mm hmm, yeah, because I don't want it in
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: the board, and I don't want it in the plant chat.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: You don't want it in your thing either, your circle, right.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: Uh uh, Nope, it stays in its own space. So
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: this is a plant chat. It is supposed to be
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: a triangle for practical reasons. And then this is not plastic,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: nor is it glass. It is a clear crystal. So
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: the idea is that the spirit is sitting in the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: triangle of manifestation in its own altar space, and then
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 6: it's hand. It's like little finger comes over and moves
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: around with this white or clear crystal. That is the
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: nature of how the spirit board works. And you're gonna say, Ashley,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: how did you learn all this?
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: There? Is no manual. You have to read a.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: Bunch of different books in order to figure out how
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: to really do it. And so the book that was
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: most helpful was Alistair Crowley in the Ouija board. Here
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 6: this is the LRBP.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: Circle.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: Most of the circles I fire from the Noochian antiques.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: I really like.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: I also have like their tablet of Union. Big fan
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: of their work. Oh, backup, always have backups for things.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: And then here's that big box of herbs. I was
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: talking about my big box of herbs.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: So just for for gin so rosemary, catnip, violets, peppermint, hissip, alfalfa, eucalyptus, dandelion, nettle, yarrow,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: mother wart, lavender, rose petals, Saint John's wart, lemon grass, basil, cinnamon,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: pine needles, hawthorn, agrimony, mulberry, lotus, embryo, mugwart, clove, bailey, thymond,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 6: marry golds.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: Like I said, it's a pretty extensive list.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Like I just want, I appreciate that you're welcome.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: Very yes, I don't want to walk into something and
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: not have what you need, right, I.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Agree, it's better to be prepared and for anything rather
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: than to be like under you know, like not there's
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: not a botanica in every place where you can just
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: like go run and grab hers in the you know
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: three am so better to yeah, have what you need
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: on hand rather than be sure.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: And then this is the dagger I was telling you about.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: So I've had multiple daggers over the years. This one
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: is like it's kind of cool because it's a little
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 6: bit of a lunar shaped I liked that some of
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: the stuff in here. I can't show you some certain
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: banners of certain things, but this is the last thing
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: I can show you, which is the So here's my
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 6: Saint Michael incense, Michael the Archangel incense. This is from
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: phrase frametic supplies selvia dividatorium divonorium. So it's usefully used
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: by Mesateaic shamanism to help induce like shamanic visions or
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: invoke the Virgin Mary. So sometimes if I really need
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 6: help and I need isis use that.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: And then that actually makes a lot of sense, sorry, Ashley,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: to use the celvia because like sometimes you do, like
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: this is going to sound weird, but sometimes you use
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: cannabis for the same not the same purpose, but a
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: similar purpose, like not to smoke it, but you actually
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: add it to incense to use it spiritual properties, and
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: it's not to get you higher anything. It's just it's
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: to utilize the plant as it is. So that makes
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: total sense to me if you need that extra, like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: the extra a little bit, because you can do the
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: same with deterre. I'm not telling anyone what to do
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: or that anyone should do that. Nobody should do that,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: but there are ways that you can like incorporate small
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: bits of like very very small amounts of certain plants
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: into your resins and incenses to just bring about that
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: spiritual nature because sometimes those plants are very powerful and
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: maybe in strong doses, can be hallucinogenic or more dangerous.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: If you incorporate them, you're actually bringing in a lot
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: of their potentiality because it's just such a small amount.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: It's like almost homeopathic but not so. I totally just
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: want to say, that's not a crazy as she's doing.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: I've done it many times myself. I think it's a
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: really good way to sort of incorporate those much stronger
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: like plants into also getting to know them, because that's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: how I think you get to know them is working
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: with them.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally agree, and I'm glad that we're on
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: the same page. I just realized I left like the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: other half of my incensor at the That sucks.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: Well, that's okay, I'll buy another one.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 6: And then the last and probably the most fun part.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: So this, this baby was just redone.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: This is the spirit board.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: And I still see you like it's a little bit sticky.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's annoying.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 6: Even though I just standed it and refinished it. All right, So.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: Here she is.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: So a lot of people when they look at this board,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: they're like, well, this doesn't look like the normal Wiji
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: aboard that I see at this door, because it's not
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: supposed to the reason why it's painted black is to
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: represent the unconscious mind. Unconscious mind doesn't use letters. That's
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: our conscious mind is how we create language, and so
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  Speaker 6: that is a representation of it. And then of course
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  Speaker 6: I handpainted all of these. You'll also notice that if
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: on a Parker Brothers Ltd. Board, the yes and no
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: we're going to be flipped. So no is on the
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  Speaker 6: left side and yes it's on the right side. So
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: the right side being the more solar aspect of the body,
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  Speaker 6: the no being the lunar side of the body. And
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 6: then on the back of the board, as we talked about,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: we have beth Or, we have the sigil of Jupiter,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: just his that was called a sigel for right now,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 6: and then we have the sigils of the different archangels
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  Speaker 6: in each corner of the board protecting it. Now, you'll
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  Speaker 6: notice that this board is raised right, so this is
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  Speaker 6: never the back of the board is never supposed to
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  Speaker 6: touch the floor. I've fixed it now. Well, you can
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  Speaker 6: still see some of it. The spirits, a lot of
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  Speaker 6: the spirits we talked to are murderers or less than friendly,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: we'll just say that. And it's very interesting. The back
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: of this board sometimes ends up looking like a graffiti board,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: like they scratch it up, they leave like indentations on it.
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  Speaker 6: It's pretty nasty and like especially the But what's very
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: interesting is under Michael, like down here. It's never around
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: Michael's name ever, You'll never see any scratches over here,
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  Speaker 6: but it's around like especially over in this corner, which
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  Speaker 6: I thought was very interesting. So that is my twenty
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  Speaker 6: five pound little exorcism a little exorcism bag I carry around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was awesome for real, Thank you. That
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: was a great show and tell, right though, Yeah, it's
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: a sick dagger.
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  Speaker 1: It is a nice diagra to notice it right away too.
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  Speaker 2: I had a sell night wand not a dagger, but
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: I did will admit I did have a selenite one.
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  Speaker 2: Let's use that for with the angels specifically.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it definitely has a higher like it's a higher octave.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Selenite is like it's even though it's like ysotic, it
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: is a higher octave of that. So it's definitely more
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: angelic than it is anything else. So it would even
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: in that way though, like people are gonna think, oh,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: it's just for invoking angels. No, I'm not saying that.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that it's useful to command the lower spirits
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: because it has that like higher vibratory nature. So and
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: it also helps you get in tune with the angels
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: as well. It can do both things. That's what makes
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: it interesting. Your books. You have books, right, actually.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: So I have a book agent. I have not finished
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: writing the book. Actually, I'm working on taking the Grim
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 6: War which wherever it went, and turning that into like
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: a ghost hunter's guy. That is my goal.
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  Speaker 1: That is awesome. Yeah, I wish you the best of luck.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: With that, make that happen. Thank you, uh Jin?
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything else you wanted to ask? Unfortunately I
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: do have to wrap it up on my own eventually soon.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: No, no problem. I just want to say thank you
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: to Ashley. I think this was like honestly, I had
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: good expectations coming in, but like it definitely like went
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: well well beyond like even my good intentions. So thank
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: you so much, Ashley. I think that it speaks to
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: you that highly of you that you were able to
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: like evolve from more of that. You know, not that
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: you were like a shallow or anything before, but just
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: like a maybe a more introductory like sin of like
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: a presentation of like spiritual ideas, and then now you've
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: become like a very mature kind of like much more serious.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really know your work before, but
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying like that you're like I would say,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: you're like a very good solmonic magician like Sarah. You
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: have a deep understanding of like a lot of the
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: ceremonial techniques, tools and stuff, and like, as I said,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: I am not a ceremony magician, but I do know
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: a lot about like Agrippa and the Keys of Solomon
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: and all of that. So for me it was like
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: a very I feel very oedified. So thank you so
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: much for letting me join and coming on, and thank
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: you to Nick and yeah it was awesome, really good show.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, I'd like to add
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: to that. You know a lot of people look at
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: like the social media side of me and they see
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: what that is, that introductory side, And one of my
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: dear friends, Steven Reedy, helped me find language to express
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: this is that here on this show, Like if we're
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 6: thinking of education as a mountain, right, like we have
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: a small portion on social media, a tiny, tiny little
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 6: mole hill, and I can't jump into these much larger
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: ideas that we're talking about that are like the size
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: of Mount Everest, talking about things like syncretism, talking about
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: solemonic magic. And it's very fun and exciting to be
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: able to talk at that level of depth that we
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: have here rather on social media where I am find
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 6: to thirty.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: To sixty seconds. So thank you so much for bringing
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: me back.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, thank you appreciate it. And I
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: think it's great that we can dialogue like this, and
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: I think that that's what makes like when I come
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: on nixt show. I think it's That's what's great about
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: it is that I can dialogue like very much of myself.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: I don't have to worry too much about coming across
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: to magic you know too, magic pill too, like in
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: the actual knowledge, like the textual knowledge at least of
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: the of the works and of the cannon. So I know,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. I expected you to build to hang,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: but maybe not quite at the same level that you were,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: And so I yeah, again, it speaks really highly of
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: you that you were able to like really answer my
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: very like my questions with such specificity. So I deeply
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, that was for real, Ashley. That was
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: a great show. I really appreciate it. Yeah, hell yeah
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: yeah definitely. Hopefully yeah, hopefully this time I won't take
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: another four years to get your back on again.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: So again, for everyone down there on the chat, you
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: can find me at Pithy and Priestess. I'm on TikTok,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: I'm on YouTube, I'm on Instagram. All of them are different,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: right because I specifically make my socials to fit the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: algorithm of each. So if you're looking for more in
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: depth work. I would certainly check out YouTube.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, Thank you very much, and I will if
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: you want after the show. All right, do you have
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: a do you have like a link tree or anything
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: with a whole bunch of stuff on it or something
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: You can just go to my website Pithyanpriestess dot com
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: and it's all of it.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll just add that.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: I'll add that myself to the show notes for sure
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: after the show. Yeah, of course, no, but thank you again, Ashley.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: That was really awesome. I had a lot of questions
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't ask, but I also got to ask a
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that I didn't think about asking,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: so that was awesome. I really had a great, great
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: experience hearing your hearing the way you dealt with the ghosts,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: you know, and how you were It was like, no,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: to me, I guess kind of what Jim was getting.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, it does sound like I'm like,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I guess what you really is doing
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: a solomonic manager. But I was just like, really, it's
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: about that detailed, Like by the way I was listening
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: to you go at it, I was like, holy shit,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: okay girl, you know nice, So it was really it
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: was great for listeners to hear all that too.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: I really thank you. It was fun.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: But uh yeah, everybody in the chat seemed to love it.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'm glad you all joined. That's
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: why we go live. Jin Thank you very much, and
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you making it Magus in case you were
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: happen to listen. Thank you very much for making it earlier.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: And again, Ashley, that was awesome. Hopefully get you back on.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: That was great stuff and everybody till the next one.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Everybody be well later, ye close your words, look into
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: the darkness, find the blazing story, focus on.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: It.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Be called the eclipse. I don't feel let the should
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: be done?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 6: And does
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: You the shoe