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UN Women: Feminism is about silencing men | HBR Talk 373 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three seventy three. You
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  Speaker 1: and Women feminism is about silencing men. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Hannah Wallen here with Nonsense Annihilator, learned books and the
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  Speaker 1: Personification of Perceptivity Mike Stevenson, and we have and with
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  Speaker 1: the Doge in charge, Brian Martinez, working in the background
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  Speaker 1: to make things go more smoothly, and tonight we're looking
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  Speaker 1: more into some of what You and Women is doing.
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  Speaker 1: We've been looking into you and women's complaints about activists
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  Speaker 1: who support things like paternal custody, do process rights for men.
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  Speaker 1: And make no mistake, they don't hate our activism because
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  Speaker 1: we're doing anything wrong. It is about fighting for due
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  Speaker 1: process and fighting for paternal custody. Those are the things
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  Speaker 1: that they're mad about. They're mad that men want an
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  Speaker 1: equal seat at the human rights table, that men want
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  Speaker 1: violence against them addressed in in in in terms of
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  Speaker 1: you know, family violence and such. They're they're upset that
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  Speaker 1: men want to be treated the same in the courtroom
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  Speaker 1: as women are, and not as a lesser litigant or
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  Speaker 1: a automatically guilty litigant, especially not in civil cases where
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  Speaker 1: guilt or innocence isn't the question. But let me get
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  Speaker 1: rid of that. What we've gone through so far is, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, them stating all kinds of falsehoods about men's
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  Speaker 1: rights activists, and then we've looked a little bit at
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  Speaker 1: some of their ideas. We read through this bullshit last
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  Speaker 1: last week or last episode, and this this episode we
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  Speaker 1: will be looking at the actual pamphlet. I wasn't sure
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  Speaker 1: I was going to do this, but then I started
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  Speaker 1: reading it and I realized there's a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: we do actually have to look at here before. And
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  Speaker 1: and there's a little bit of like like the the funding,
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  Speaker 1: the US AIDS funding that we were looking at before. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't a rabbit hole, it's a whole rabbit warren.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna look at this. Uh budgets, Oh sure.
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  Speaker 2: So we know a way around a warren. Yeah, badger
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  Speaker 2: equivalent of a warren is a set that is true,
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of budgets, whatever it is that is true.
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  Speaker 1: And and also we eat rabbits, just saying rabbits. Badgers
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  Speaker 1: will eat fucking anything if they're and it's alive, it's meat,
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  Speaker 1: it's food. Yeah, honey, badgers.
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  Speaker 2: Do lion balls if they fail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will tell you what if if they are cooked,
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  Speaker 1: I will try them. But uh, but rabbit is pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't had it, it's it's it's it is
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  Speaker 1: pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Just my my grandpa used to hunt, used to be
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  Speaker 1: a very prolific hunter. So I've had all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: interesting things. And uh yeah, badgers eat rabbits. So sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I ate the Easter bunny. No eggs this year. Next
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  Speaker 1: year it's webbit season, webbit season. Well, duck is pretty
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  Speaker 1: good too. You can't you can't, really, I can't pick
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  Speaker 1: one and say it's better than the other either.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember ever eating rabbit, but it can't be
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  Speaker 2: better than duck. And it's always duck seasonal.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it is. It isn't better, but it is good.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I wouldn't be able to pick one. But
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  Speaker 1: they are both better than bear meat. Bear meat, if
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  Speaker 1: you don't cook it right, it's really not good because
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  Speaker 1: it has a gamey taste. It's it's hard to explain.
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  Speaker 1: It's really strong flavor. And if you if you don't
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  Speaker 1: season it right and you don't treat it right before
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  Speaker 1: you cook it, it just you got to be hungry
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  Speaker 1: to eat it, but it's done well. It tastes pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Good, especially polar bear liver that's lethal to humans because
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  Speaker 2: they're super carnivores, and it's it's too much fitamin a
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  Speaker 2: or something. But I know it sounds like fat and words.
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  Speaker 2: I want to try eating polar bed liver. It just
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  Speaker 2: wants to see what it's like. They eat just enough
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  Speaker 2: to not kill me. What is wrong with me?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the same thing. But in any case, yes, badgers,
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  Speaker 1: badgers will, we will eat, we will, many of us
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  Speaker 1: will eat. Just buddy. I mean, I ate an earthworm
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  Speaker 1: once to prove my point in an argument. So as
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  Speaker 1: a kid, you know, not as an adult. They're not poisonous.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't die. My classmates watched all day to see
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  Speaker 1: if I would or not. Nobody told it an adult,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, they all just are like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: she ate it is she canna die? Let's watch because
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  Speaker 1: we would.
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  Speaker 2: It can't happened, though. I heard this one story of
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  Speaker 2: a guy who ate a slug because his friends dead
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  Speaker 2: him to beat a slug and then he got this
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  Speaker 2: paralyzing parasite. So yeah, yeah, don't get very.
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  Speaker 1: Different from earthworms. Earthworms and slugs are two very different animals.
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  Speaker 1: But in any case, yeah, so this this tells you though,
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  Speaker 1: don't don't get into arguments with me, because like I
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  Speaker 1: am that determined. If you better have your information, you
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  Speaker 1: got to prove me wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: In any case, last last week we kind of went over,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the the excuses that they have made for
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  Speaker 1: this Worldwide Act to End Violence against Women. Notice, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, it is not named the Act to End
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  Speaker 1: Family Violence. They don't want to end violence when the
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  Speaker 1: woman is the perpetrator. They only want to end violence
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  Speaker 1: when the woman is a victim.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have an act to stop women from abusing
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  Speaker 1: their children, and they don't have an act to stop
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  Speaker 1: women from abusing their husbands. Statistics out of in the
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  Speaker 1: US and the UK demonstrate that a significant portion different
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  Speaker 1: statistics give different levels, but a significant portion of domestic violence,
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  Speaker 1: partner violence, intimate partner violence this female and nickiated and
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  Speaker 1: female perpetrated, and about seventy percent of one way violence
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  Speaker 1: where the perpetrator is engaging in violence against the victim
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  Speaker 1: and the victim is not using violence and self defense.
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  Speaker 1: That's female perpetrated, not male perpetrated. Only about thirty percent
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  Speaker 1: of that is male perpetrated. And then there is one
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  Speaker 1: study that shows that among violence that is two way,
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  Speaker 1: where both parties are engaging in violence against each other,
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  Speaker 1: those relationships are associated with more perpetration from women, but
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  Speaker 1: not more perpetration from men, meaning that women are initiating
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  Speaker 1: more often, and this is a consistent issue. Women are
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  Speaker 1: more likely to walk away with injuries because they are
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  Speaker 1: essentially poking the bear. Quite frequently in intimate partnerships, the
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  Speaker 1: man is the larger partner. Not always, but quite frequently,
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  Speaker 1: the man is a larger partner. He's faster, he's more
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  Speaker 1: experienced at defending himself against a violent assault. But also
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  Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment, during a violent conflict
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  Speaker 1: between two people, you have less opportunity to pull your punches.
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  Speaker 1: It is much easier to control your response if you're
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  Speaker 1: initiating violence, and to do things like restraining your partner
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  Speaker 1: if the partner looks like they're going to start something,
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to after your partner has backed you into
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  Speaker 1: a corner, haranguing you and yelling at you and is
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  Speaker 1: now hitting you. In that instance, you end up more
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  Speaker 1: in a situation where your violence is completely un planned.
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  Speaker 1: Right you don't. You haven't got forethought involved. And so
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  Speaker 1: when you attempt to grab and restrain or push away
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  Speaker 1: or anything even hit to defend yourself, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be harder, it's going to be stronger, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: less careful about where you're grabbing and so on, and
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  Speaker 1: so you end up, of course, women walk away from
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  Speaker 1: that with more injuries. Now it's not always the truth, Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not always the case. Sometimes when women engage in violence,
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  Speaker 1: they use weapons, guns, knives. There was that one story
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  Speaker 1: out of I think Minnesota. It might be wrong, the
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  Speaker 1: woman that used a machete to force her partner into
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  Speaker 1: a sex act, and they won't label her a rapist. Right,
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  Speaker 1: she forced him into a sex act against his will
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  Speaker 1: using a weapon, but they won't label her a rapist
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  Speaker 1: because she's mentally ill, unlike other rapists who are engaging
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  Speaker 1: in per per rational behavior, like I think all rapists
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  Speaker 1: are mentally ill. I think all rape is irrational behavior
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  Speaker 1: because it involves forcing yourself on someone who doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to be with you. It's the exact polar opposite of
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  Speaker 1: what people want, which is for other people to be
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  Speaker 1: attracted to them. For the people that they're attracted to
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  Speaker 1: to want them, so it's it's facing rejection over and
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  Speaker 1: over again throughout the entire assault. It seems pretty irrational
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  Speaker 1: and crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: I like, I like to leave some open for the
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  Speaker 2: possibility that some people are just assholes.
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  Speaker 1: I think most people that are that much of an
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  Speaker 1: asshole are still.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy, poorly raised perhaps, and badly miseducated. But I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to give I don't want to give all of
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  Speaker 2: them the out of being mentally ill. Some people are
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  Speaker 2: just nasty fuckers.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong I might take when that isn't that
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  Speaker 1: it's an out. I think if somebody is so fucked
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  Speaker 1: in the head that they are a danger to other people,
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  Speaker 1: they should not be on the street. For instance, if
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  Speaker 1: you are found not guilty by reason of insanity in
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  Speaker 1: a case where you have committed a crime against another person,
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  Speaker 1: a violent crime, you should be incarcerated in a mental
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  Speaker 1: institution for life, or at least until they find a
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  Speaker 1: cure for whatever it is and made you behave that way.
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  Speaker 1: I genuinely don't think people should be let back out
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  Speaker 1: on the street, either due to incompetence by insanity or
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  Speaker 1: incompetence by intellectual disability. If they can't refrain from being
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  Speaker 1: a physical threat to other people, then they should be
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  Speaker 1: under the management and control of other people who can
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  Speaker 1: keep them from being that threat. We should be oldlessly cruel.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, counter proposal, I don't. I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: in that because if somebody can't help doing something, it's
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  Speaker 1: that punishing them is not fair either. If somebody is
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  Speaker 1: fucked up like that, punishment punishment is like it's it's
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  Speaker 1: the same thing as punishing somebody who had a car
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  Speaker 1: accident because they had a heart attack. Is they really
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  Speaker 1: couldn't control the vehicle If they're having a heart attack,
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  Speaker 1: that's not their fault, right, or a meteor falls out
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  Speaker 1: of the sky and put it hits their car. If
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  Speaker 1: your brain doesn't work right and it makes you. We
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  Speaker 1: don't do that to people who are threat to themselves
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  Speaker 1: either institutionalize them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we should punish people more if they
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  Speaker 2: can help it, surely if they if they if they
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  Speaker 2: can't help abusing people in the worst possible way, then
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  Speaker 2: if anyone should be executed, it's those kinds of people.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if they can help it, they should be
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  Speaker 2: helped to help it. It's it's this hard idea.
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  Speaker 1: Is they tended to be a deterrent, not a not
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  Speaker 1: a vengeance, Like when we send people to prison for
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  Speaker 1: something that they've done wrong, We're not doing it to
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  Speaker 1: get revenge. We're doing it to send the communication that
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  Speaker 1: that they're they're going to face a consequence if they
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  Speaker 1: do this right. People who can't help it are people
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  Speaker 1: who if you show them that they're going to face
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  Speaker 1: a consequence, that won't change their behavior. So no, because
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  Speaker 1: we have we have a standard against and unusual punishment,
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  Speaker 1: and that standard doesn't end at people who are so
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  Speaker 1: badly handicapped that they can't live among people other people.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, it's no different to punish somebody for
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  Speaker 1: being that kind of handicapped than it is to punish
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  Speaker 1: somebody for needing a wheelchair, or to punish somebody for
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  Speaker 1: needing a sign language interpreter, needing the support of being institutionalized,
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  Speaker 1: And not all people who need the support of being
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  Speaker 1: institutionalized or dangerous to other people. Some people just can't
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  Speaker 1: take care of themselves either. I work with people with
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  Speaker 1: intellectual disabilities, and it runs the gamut from people who
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  Speaker 1: just need a little help somebody to be there in case,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they panic when the fire alarm goes off,
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  Speaker 1: or they need help budgeting for their own lifestyle, or
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  Speaker 1: you know, they need somebody to help them if they
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  Speaker 1: get weird junk mail, to make heads or tails of
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  Speaker 1: whether this is a scammer, a legitimate offer, and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. And then it goes all the way to
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  Speaker 1: the other end, where you have people who are so
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  Speaker 1: disabled that they cannot feed themselves and they cannot bathe themselves,
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  Speaker 1: and can't do their own oral hygiene and things like that,
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  Speaker 1: but they still can do you know, they still can
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  Speaker 1: have a social life, They still can have experiences with
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  Speaker 1: other people and people, no, not unless they get out
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  Speaker 1: of unless they get out of the wheelchair.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's still if you're dealing with somebody that
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  Speaker 1: is so handicapped that they cannot control their own behavior,
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  Speaker 1: that also runs a gamut. You have some people who's
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  Speaker 1: inability to control their their behavior is at the end
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  Speaker 1: of you know, they can't they have ticks where in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of their perfectly saying discussion of something outcomes
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  Speaker 1: the word bitch or their their head twitches and their
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  Speaker 1: hand raises up in the air. Or you know, things
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  Speaker 1: like that, to people who have to turn their lock
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  Speaker 1: five or six times in order to be sure that
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  Speaker 1: the magic of the lock will work and the door
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  Speaker 1: will stay locked, or they have to keep checking to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that they've turned the oven off. I have
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  Speaker 1: to wash everything in their house over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: hand washed so much that their skin is raw.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously I'm talking about I'm talking about who actually get
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  Speaker 2: off on causing pain and misery to other people, And
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  Speaker 2: if they can't be fixed, then why should why should
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  Speaker 2: the state spend the money required to incarcerate in a
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  Speaker 2: mental facility or a prison.
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  Speaker 1: For the same reason that we take care of other
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  Speaker 1: people who have that level of handicap. It isn't just
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  Speaker 1: because we find someone's handicap distasteful and awful and horrifying
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  Speaker 1: does not mean that we treat a human being like garbage.
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  Speaker 1: We manage them. We don't engage in cruelty, and killing
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  Speaker 1: someone is an act of cruelty. It doesn't matter what
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  Speaker 1: the person would do if they were free. It matters
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  Speaker 1: what we do. And it is fair to put someone
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  Speaker 1: under care and to put someone under a lock up
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  Speaker 1: if we know that they are a danger to other people.
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  Speaker 1: Or danger to themselves. But it is not humane and
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  Speaker 1: it is not civilized to use that as an excuse
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  Speaker 1: to engage in cruel and unusual punishment. It never has been.
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  Speaker 1: We have a history of that level of violence. But
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  Speaker 1: until reasonable people can eliminate the violence from their own
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  Speaker 1: responses to other people, we can't remove violence from the
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  Speaker 1: general public. But this act is mostly about people who
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  Speaker 1: can be reformed. And one of the things that's really
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  Speaker 1: a standout thing in my experience with debating people who
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  Speaker 1: talk about domestic violence, particularly people who work for agencies
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  Speaker 1: that support female accusers, female domestic violence accusers and such,
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  Speaker 1: their take on it is that women deserve better treatment
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  Speaker 1: than men when they are victims of domestic violence. Like, so,
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  Speaker 1: you have male and female victims of domestic violence, you
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  Speaker 1: have children who are victims of family violence, and you
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  Speaker 1: have people raised in that environment who go on to
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  Speaker 1: become perpetrators of family violence in adulthood. And rather than
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  Speaker 1: wanting to remedy the situation by helping both sexes learn
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  Speaker 1: to maybe engage in arguments and debates and handle conflict
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  Speaker 1: with each other without violence, they want to punish men,
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  Speaker 1: and they want to they want men to be treated
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  Speaker 1: as if they are guilty regardless of evidence, and they
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  Speaker 1: want women to be to be able to make allegations
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  Speaker 1: with impunity regard bless of evidence, and so even if
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  Speaker 1: a woman lies and they want they want lots of
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  Speaker 1: money for their organizations. And ultimately, if you really want
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  Speaker 1: to address the violent psychopath issue, one of the most
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  Speaker 1: important things that we can address is intimate partner violence.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of times when somebody reaches the level of
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  Speaker 1: handicap where they aren't salvageable anymore as a human being
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  Speaker 1: because of their violent impulses, you trace back to their childhood.
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  Speaker 1: This is the environment they grew up in. Mom attacks dad.
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  Speaker 1: Dad puts up with it for a period of time,
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  Speaker 1: and then eventually hits back. Mom and dad hit each
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  Speaker 1: other for several hours, yelling and screaming, and then the
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  Speaker 1: next thing you hear is mom and dad having makeup sex.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That is that is the environment, and kids raised in
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  Speaker 1: that environment are often neglected and abused, and they are
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  Speaker 1: taught that the only way for them to get what
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  Speaker 1: they want is violence. The only way for them to
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  Speaker 1: get their needs met is violence, And the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to face if they show any weakness
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  Speaker 1: is violence, and if they've already got a predisposition toward
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  Speaker 1: any kind of mental health condition, that pushes them over
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  Speaker 1: the edge.
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  Speaker 3: So looking at.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering how extreme the case has to be
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  Speaker 2: before we will finally go all right, let's just kill her.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Axel rue de Cabani. You know that guy, right,
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  Speaker 2: the guy who stabbed like eleven young girls aged five
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  Speaker 2: to eight, I think it was, And when he appeared
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  Speaker 2: in court, he showed no remosse whatsoever. He was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad they're dead, and I would gladly kill more
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  Speaker 2: of them. Some psychopaths are actually like that. They don't
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  Speaker 2: even feign remorse, And I'm like, I think should be
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  Speaker 2: I think as should be murdered by the state. That's
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  Speaker 2: I I think that's the kind of extreme case where
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  Speaker 2: we shouldn't lift a finger to help this guy other
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  Speaker 2: than to.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the state should have the power to know.
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  Speaker 2: If there's any I don't think if there's any doubt
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  Speaker 2: at all as to their there's their remorse.
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  Speaker 1: Even if there's no doubt, I still don't think the
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  Speaker 1: state should have that power. Because the state decides there's
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  Speaker 1: no doubt even when there is and it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: the thing that changed my mind on This was a
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  Speaker 1: case of an intellectually disabled man. The evidence against him
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  Speaker 1: was circumstantial. He showed up at the crime scene, according
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  Speaker 1: to his story, he showed up at the crime scene
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  Speaker 1: after the crime had happened and panicked because of the
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  Speaker 1: violent scene and ran, And according to the prosecutor story,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that there was his footprint there placed him
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  Speaker 1: at the scene. It doesn't matter if they can prove
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: it was during the crime. He's guilty. And he didn't
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: have a real defense, He didn't have a chance in
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the court system, and they decided that he was guilty
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt. Well, a crime was particularly brutal
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and was against an elderly woman, and they executed him,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and he died screaming that he was innocent, fighting the guards,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: begging for his life. And because he never really got
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: through all of his appeals, we have no way of
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: knowing whether the state railroaded this man or whether he
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: was actually guilty. And this is how the state handles
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the death penalty, and that there have been numerous cases
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: like that where there are reasonable doubts, but because of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the way the court system works, that evidence isn't heard
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: in court, or the individual doesn't have a valid defense,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a good defense, like they don't get a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: good lawyer, they don't get a good a decent public defense,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and they're found guilty of something that they didn't do.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And then sometimes the state profoundly fucks up its executions
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and the individual is paralyzed but not sedated, and they
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the poison that is given to them makes them have
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: heart attack. So they're laying there on the table going
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: through the pain and fear of a heart attack, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: they're experiencing the whole thing with full consciousness from the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: moment that that chemical starts to take effect to the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: moment that they die. And if that can happen to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: somebody who was found guilty when they were actually innocent,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that should never be allowed to happen. And there's only
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: one way to make sure that that never happens, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that is if the state never executes anybody under any circumstances.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So if you had to pick a random man off
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of the street and do that to him in order
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to execute the individual that you're talking about, or better yet,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: somebody that you know, just think of all the men
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that you know and roll the dice if you have
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to whatever, just pick one and choose that man, and say,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: all right, in order for us to have the right
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to execute this criminal that we know is guilty that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I think should be executed, we're going to put you
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: through an execution in which your paralytic will work, but
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: your sedation won't work, and you're going to be put
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: through a heart attack and you're going to die. And
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: have chosen you for this so that we can kill
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: this other man, would you do that? I don't know.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Again, I don't trust the state with much. If we
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: had a way of I mean, what about the way
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: we we kill animals and slaughter houses. We have this
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: instantaneous electrical excuse right, do you have.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: An electory chair? We have an electric chair and it's
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: been deemed not humane by many many people. And again
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: we're okay with that. But would you choose, say one
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of your friends or family members to sacrifice along with
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: that individual in order to you know, we know that
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: we're risking that when we have our government has a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: death penalty, and our justice system makes those decisions. Would
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you select from among your loved ones, an individual to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: sacrifice so that we can kill this man.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: If they killed eleven children or you know, killed three
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: children stobbed.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Now an innocent individual from among your friends and family
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: has to die too, which one.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Well, no, innocent people shouldn't be killed at all.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the only way to guarantee that. My conclusion
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: from from reading everything I've read about the way that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: death penalty is handled, the way the justice system works,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: is that the literal only way to prevent the sacrifice
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: of innocent people in order for us to be able
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to kill these other people is that the death penalty
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist. There is no death penalty because there is
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: no fail safe to prevent the government from taking innocent
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: people that they have found guilty because of abuses within
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the justice system. Uh and and killing them too.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Well, show remorse, isn't that? Isn't that a large part
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: of them?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: How we decided someone shows or not.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: No, even if somebody shows remorse, they still can get
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the death penalty. If someone maintains their innocence and the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: evidence against them isn't rock solid, they still can get
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the death penalty. If someone is underage and the court
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: determines that even though the reason that they're violent is
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: because their whole life they've been subjected to violence, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: violence is all they know, they still can get the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: death penalty. The death penalty has been visited upon sixteen
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: year olds who could have been redeemable. It's the least
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: responsible entity to be handling this. The government is the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: least responsible entity to be handling this. There is no accountability.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: If an individual gets the death penalty and is executed
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and then is found to be later on innocent, they
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: don't go back and try the judge and the prosecutor.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: They don't go back and do it unless somebody fights
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: really hard to make sure that accountability happens, somebody in family,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and a lot of times people who end up in
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: this situation are are people that don't have folks close
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to them to defend them. So it's not it's not unattached.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It's not cut and dried that we're just executing people
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: who have committed heinous crimes and it's been solidly proven
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and they're irredeemable. The death penalty gets handed down quite
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: regularly to people who are wrongly accused and wrongly convicted,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and not all of them get justice on appeal, some
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: of them get executed.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: And you know, I can see both sides of the
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: argument here, but you know, you have to also take
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: into a care that there are innocent people who get
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: locked up for life sentences that are innocent and end
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: up dying in jail over other circumstances. Right, So, even
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: being put in jail for for even if it's not
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: a life sentence, there's a high likelihood that you are
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: not going to survive being put in prison for that
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: long against other actual murderers and rapists and things like that,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: you know. So, I mean, it's it's it's I don't know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like a double edged sword, you know.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: What.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: So what do we do with the people who who
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: will just say I'm innocent, I'm innocent, I'm innocent, even
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: though all of the evidence points to their guilt. You know.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: It's it's just a fucked up situation. I mean, it
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: really is.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: So I advocate for humane containment because when you use
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: punishment as a revenge instead of as a deterrent, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: when when you use incarceration as a punishment in a
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: system that is just as violent as the homes that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: many of them came from. Rather than putting the cabbage
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to the cycle, you are perpetuating it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not even talking about revenge you now, I'm asking myself,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: is there any line that can be drawn where someone
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: deserves to be killed?
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about people who protest their innocence.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about people like Accelary to Cabana. It's like, yeah, yeah,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I'm glad I killed them. I'm glad they're dead and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: do it again. And I don't care if you kill me.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I want you to kill me. Like at that point,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: surely it's surely it's at least arguable to do what
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: must be done with such a person. And I, you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I don't trust the state, But what's the alternative, like
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: getting a lynch mob not associated with the state to
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: do it by themselves. In either case, neither of these
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: entities is fully to be trusted. But like you, where
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: do you draw the line? At? At what point is
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: it okay for either the state or some kind of
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: mob to do the right thing? And should we house
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: them in a facility for the rest of their lives?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: In actual Rude Kavana's case, because he's only eighteen nineteen,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I think at this point it is going to be
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: there for the next fifty years or so, and surely
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's incumbent on us to not burden
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: ourselves with having to house them in a facility for
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: that long. And if they if they show no remorse whatsoever,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: if you know for a fact they're going to kill people,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: even if they remain in prison, they present a danger
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: to other prisoners, other prisoners who who could be rehabilitated.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: They even pose a danger to the prison offices. And
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: in actual Rude Command's case, he did throw some boiling
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: water over a prison officer. Like to keep someone like
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: that in prison or in the mental facility for fifty years,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: you're endangering people who don't deserve to be endangered. And
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: if he and if he's perfectly okay with being killed
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: and fucking kill him, I don't you know.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, that's still a situation where if you
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: give the state that power, your bill giving the state
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to the power to execute people who are not guilty
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: as well, and who the state abuses into looking guilty
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: enough to get the death penalty. And again, the reasonable
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: alternative is lifetime containment.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: And if.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: If we improved the justice system to the point where
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: people who could be rehabilitated were and people who haven't
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: committed acts that heinous aren't housed with somebody who is.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Then we wouldn't have as much danger with the few
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: individuals that would remain in incarceration.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Well, then that also begs not the question, but the
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: discussion of the state of the penitentiary system in and
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: of itself, because it is not designed to rehabilitate anyone, anyone.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's really bad.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: It really does not. And so what is the point
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: of sending these people away. You're sending them to desensitize
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: them to everything. Right, they are forced to be alone
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: right there, sometimes in solitary confinement. It's to just dehumanize
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: them in every single sort of way. There is no
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: such thing as rehabilitation going on in our current penitentiary system.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: And you know, there is no distinction being made between
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: people who can be rehabilitated and those who actually need
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: mental assistance. We've done away with mental facilities in this country.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: We've really we've done a lot of damage. Actually, Yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: And when I keep wanting to do a full episode
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: on a prison system in the United States, and it's
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the thing that's been difficult for me is trying to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: get together the research on it because I get sick
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: reading bringing this stuff. It's so bad that it literally
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: makes me ill every time I start delving into it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: That's that's what our men, because it's about ninety percent
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: of people in our prison system are men, and a
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: majority of them are in there for petty things that
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: some of them shouldn't even be illegal. Like there's a huge,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: huge population in our jails that are in there for
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: buying or selling substances.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Like marijuana, non violent offenders.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Non violent offenses, that's right. And a lot of them
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: end up in there in juvenile attentions starting out, and
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: they face violence in juvenile attention. A portion of them
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: face sexual violence from the female staff in juvenile attention.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: There's a huge amount of perpetration of sexual misconduct against
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the prisoners by female staff in the jail system as well,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: along with like everybody thinks prison rape is something that
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: other prisoners are, you know, perpetrating, but there's a significant
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: amount of it that's done by the female staff and
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: against the male incarcerated, whereas in the female system it's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: it's mostly inmates doing it to each other. But in
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the male prison system, besides the violence and the the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: interpersonal violence and the sexual violence, you also have a
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like a mafia system where people are being bought and sold,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: goods are being bought and sold. There's a whole underground market,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: there's a whole there's a whole system of abuse in
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the prison system. And it's not just among the prisoners.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: They have help from prison staff, and that the women
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: on the prison staff are a rather significant part of that.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: So the entire situation is a lot more complicated than
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: people think. Well, it really is. When you run into
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: somebody who has committed, say a violent crime in adulthood,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and you look into that person's history, that person may
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: have come from an abusive home, they may have had
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a mental health condition or an intellectual disability. In fact,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: a rather large portion of the prison population are people
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: with disabilities, intellectual disabilities especially, or mental health conditions that
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: are untreated. And then if they've been in the juvenile
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: justice system, that's where they had their first contact with
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: gang members and became part of a gang. And after that,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: when they get out, they're used by that gang over
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and over again until they end up in the adult
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: incarceration system, and then they end up meeting another gang,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: and then they or their gang is already in control
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: in that prison when they come out, if they come
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: out again, they're used over and over again by that gang.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And so by the time they get to the point
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: where you know, they've shot somebody or they've they've committed
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: a murder in some other manner during some other crime,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that they become eligible for the death penalty. There they've
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: been through a system that makes them that way, and
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: then we use that same system to punish them for it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: And I think it goes deeper than that, I really do.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I think it begins at home, you know, and that
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: that is the most taboo place to even begin the discussion,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: because then you have to blame the parents, more often
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: than not the mother, because the fathers are I think,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: what is the statistics, something like seventy five percent of
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the people who are inmates to have no father at.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Home, you know, and a large yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: And then it goes back to the mother having to
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: take accountability for the reason that that child has no
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: father at home. And like it or not, I don't
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: care who argues with me about that. That is, it
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: is at least fifty percent the mother's fault. Why there
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: is no father in the home, right, And so we
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: can't we can't even begin to have that conversation because
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: again it goes back to women having to take accountability
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: for their fucking actions, and Lord knows we can't do that. Right. So,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: you know, the path, the pipeline to prison does not
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: begin in school. It begins at home. Yeah, that is
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: the conversation that we are just not allowed to have
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: right now or anywhere in the society except for here.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: This is a safe space we can talk about this.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we use the real interpretation of safe space,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: not the feminist interpretation of space. Yes, a real safe
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: space is a place where you can talk about uncomfortable
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: topics and you're the topic will be addressed. You're not
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: going to be accused of, uh, you know, bringing up
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable topics to make things uncomfortable for other people. You're
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: not gonna be accused of microaggressions.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: The high the high crime of misogyny.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. In terms of the single mother thing, I
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: got to point something out, and I've pointed it out
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: in more eloquent ways, and I've pointed it out in
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: more crude ways. I think the crudest way I pointed
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it out is, you know, women need to learn that
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: you can't turn a dipshit into a diamond by polishing
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: his knob. We decide who we consent to, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: we don't somebody else isn't consenting to sex on our behalf, right,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: we decide that if somebody else consents on our behalf
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and we don't agree, that's rape, and we get we
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: have legal recourse for that. There laws against rape, and
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: every nation. You know, some of them are better than
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: others about how they handle it. Some of them are
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: very bad about handling or due process end of it,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and some of them are not so good about handling
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the evidence end of it. So you do have the
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: gamut there. But men don't have that recourse in most
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: countries at all. Even in countries that say they do,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: they don't want to call it rape if a woman
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: does it to a man, and there have been instances
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: where women have forced men against their will and gotten
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: away with it because laws that they're charged under don't
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: apply if the victim is not penetrated by the perpetrator,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: If the victim is forced to perpetrate. Right, So we
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: have first step. When we decide we're going to have
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a baby with someone, we have all of the say
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: in the matter in terms of who you know, what
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the yes is, and what the no is. We are
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the key holders to the uterus. Nobody gets in there
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: without our say, at least not without facing a potential
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: criminal charge for overriding our say. So in terms of
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: consensual sex, in terms of consenting to the act that
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: conceives the child, the woman has every opportunity to be
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: a judge of character. So women who fuck deadbeats and
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: become unwed mothers, I don't have any sympathy sympathy for
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: you because you chose that man. You decided to bypass
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: mister Wright for mister right now or mister big dick,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: or mister a pretty car or mister badass or whatever.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: And now you're mad that after you decided to carry
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: to term and you decided to retain custody of that child,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: he did didn't change his mind about being along for
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the ride. Like that's bullshit. That is your fault as
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: a woman, That is your fault. You had control over
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: that and you blew it. And women who create that
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: situation and then raise a child without a father in
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the home, are deliberately handicapping their children, that's child abuse.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: If you do that to your child, that's child abuse.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Yep, it's only a no no, it's only a no
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: no square until it becomes a yes yes square. That
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: is absolutely true, and then you can touch me there.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And of course the men who sleep with these women
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: are stupid fucks, Like, what do you think is going
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to happen? Going to drag you through the court system,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and she is going to win. She is going to
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: get child support from you. She's not going to let
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you see the kid. You're not going to get an
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: opportunity to make sure that that child is raised properly.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: And you know, if you didn't, if you're not invested
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: in that to begin with, you're not going to do
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: it right either. So your offspring, the fruit of your loins,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: is probably going to end up in jail. Right, That's
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that's your fault. You know, what, what are you doing
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: with a hoe when there are women who are more
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: accountable than that. The women who won't necessarily do you
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: know anything at the drop of the hat are the
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: women that are more likely to raise your children with you,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: and if you don't want to have kids, don't don't
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: risk heavy kids as simple as that. You know, you
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: use your birth control or avoid women. Uh, don't let
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: her touch the condom, you know, don't, don't give her
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: access to it, and don't stealth because that's the dumbest
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: fuck move you could possibly do. Right. Men are accountable
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: for their end of it. We say stuff like this
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: to men all the time. Men get told these things
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: every day. They get told these things as boys growing up. Girls,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, a lot of you, that's probably
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the first time you've ever heard it's your fault if
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: you fuck a deadbeat and then you become a single mom.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Yep, there's a.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Bunch of songs swimming through my head right now. Yeah. Yeah, But.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: To that, I do want to get into this article,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: and this article is relevant. The discussion we've been having
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: is relevant to the article and the articles relevant to
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: this discussion, and that when people put themselves in that
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: situation and then try to make it work when it
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: was never going to work. That's one of the circumstances
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: under which domestic violence happens. And when children are raised
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: in households with this type of violence, they are more
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: likely to as adults, end up as perpetrators of all
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: kinds of violence. So these women don't talk at all
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: about male victims of venom partner violence. What they're talking
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: about is an organized effort at ending just ending violence
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: against women. And they give their statistics, which if seventy
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: percent of one way violence is perpetrated by women against men,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and one in three women globally have been subjected to
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: physical or sexual violence, that means probably about one hundred
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: percent of men globally have been have been subjected to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: violence by a woman. And whether whether it's an intimate
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: partner or sexual violence, at least some point in your life,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: A statistically one hundred percent of guys have been hit
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: at least once by a partner. And I wouldn't be
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: surprised to find out that that's true now, just to
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: just to clarify with this when they say physical or
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: sexual violence at least once in their lifetime. If a
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: woman doesn't have a job and her partner supports the
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: family and won't give her mad money in the United
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: States or in the UK and other European countries, that
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: constitutes under the law and under feminist standards, which are
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: what have influenced the law that that constitutes economic abuse
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and it is considered a physical form of violence. Now,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: before you say, well, that means men haven't been subjected
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to physical violence. How many men, how many married men
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: listening right now have credit card that that you didn't
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: run up because because you're got the credit card and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: went to you know, Black Friday sales at Walmart or
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: some shit like that. And what were you gonna say, Mike.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I'll say anything. I always meant too. Sorry, that's weird.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I swear I heard your voice.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: No, I think I think I think that was me
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: and I'm yes, No, those men are are various islent.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: And you know, one of the one of the biggest
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: causes of divorce is financial problems within a marriage. Yeah,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and that sets another thing that gets overlooked,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: and it's typically it's typically it's the women who are
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: just spending money like it's you know, my money is
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: my money and his money is our money.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I do see the super chats.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I will read them before we end, but I'm not
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: gonna interrupt this for him. But so that's one thing. Uh,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and there's a few other things like that, the things
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: that are considered domestic violence when a man does it
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: to a woman, but not when a woman does it
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: to a man. He gets a new job, and he
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: moves you across the country, like in the United States.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: That's that's you know, a thousand miles or more, depending
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: on whether you're moving north and south or east and west,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: and and you you no longer have close contact with
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: any of your friends and family. Domestic violence advocates will
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: accuse him of isolating you. But if you don't like
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: any of his friends and you systematically choose to you know, well,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't like Bob. I wish
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: you would stop hanging out with Bob. I think he's
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: a womanizer. I don't like George. I wish you would
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: stop hanging out with George. He drinks too much. I
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: don't like you know, Bill, I wish you would stop
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: hanging out with Bill. Bill dresses like a freak. You
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: know whatever. Bill's girlfriend as a hope, don't bring her
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: into this house. Well, what if that means Bill can't come?
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: I don't care. You know things like that. Women do
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: that all the time, right and nobody says, oh, you're
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: isolating him, Oh you're isolating him. No, it's why is
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: he hanging out with these dorks when he's got look
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: what he's got at home, as if he should have
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: to choose. Yeah.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, if a guy says to his wife, this Christina
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: of yours keeps trying to convince you to break up
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: with me because I'm not giving you the moon on
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: a stick, he's isolating her. And yeah, even though you
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: don't hear a lot of you know, I've had friends
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: who've been in dare I say, toxic relationships with absolutely
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: worthless women, and we never bring it up. We just
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: quietly seethed behind the scenes, and we talk amongst ourselves, going,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: isn't she a fucking kin? Yeah? She is. Are we
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: going to tell him no? No, that would just drive
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: us apart. He's not gonna he's not going to get it.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: He's he's quite committed to this useless, fucking violent ho
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: And and if we if we say anything, it's not
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: going to drive them apart. It's going to drive us apart.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: So let's just let's just let's just grin and bear
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: it and keep going until they arenevatively split up, and
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: they usually they do because eventually it reaches this well
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: literal breaking point where where where he's like, yeah, no,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: this bitch was just pointless. Why didn't you guys tell me, Like, yeah,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: we we considered it, we really did. But you know,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: what would have happened. It wouldn't have gone well. So
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: we decided just to shut the fuck up and let
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: it play out as as expected. Yeah.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, some people have to learn the hard way,
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's unfortunate, but you know, you kind
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: of have to let things play out because you know,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: some people just will not learn. They don't want to
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: hear the bad thing about this person that they love. Well,
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: I love her, she's the bad she's the greatest. Well, no,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: she has flaws too. You know, it's it's not a
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: figment of your imagination. Those red flags she was giving you.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: You decided to look the other way because she was
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: giving you pussy, and you know it's cute.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: If she's jealous of everyone else, you know, it's not
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: it's not a sign of love. If she doesn't want
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you to spend time with your mom so times or
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: your sister or uh you know, uh, if she's upset
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: that you have There are women at your workplace that
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: that you have cordial work relationships with. That's not cute,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: it's not dedicated. It's it's it's manipulative, manipulative. It's a
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: little bit, you know, a little bit over the top there.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: And as soon as she's jealous of your male friends,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: that's that's even more over the top.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: That's an individual that may have some some serious mental
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: health issues that need treated. Women with borderline personality disorder
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: have that struggle, and it's it's one of those things
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that that struggle doesn't go away just because they know
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: that they have borderline personality disorder and their in treatment,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: they still have to try to rein that in and
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: some do some work very hard at it, and they
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: are the best people they can be. And there are
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: men who can have relationships with them and keep their
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: relationship functional because they will hold that woman accountable for
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: her end of that. But most men are not equipped
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: to do that because they're raised to not criticize women.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: And if you are one of those guys, you should
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: not have a relationship with that woman. And then there
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: are women who pretend to try to rein that in,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: but they don't actually do it. Yeah, and they always
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: have it.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because accountability requires self awareness.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Right, And it's I'm not being jealous for no reason.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I was worried about X y Z. Yeah, you know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: I just you have to be very very careful with that.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Same with narcissists. She has to be the most important
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: person in the room, right if she has to be
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: the center of attention, and she gets upset if she's not.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: You know, like it's one thing to be with somebody
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: who's a showman, an exhibitionist, not nudity necessarily, but you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: the person that tells all the jokes and and and
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: likes to be a fashion plate and stuff like that,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: that earns enough money to pay for those things. That's
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: that's somewhat borderline, right. But when you have somebody that
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: has to one up other people's stories every single time
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: and can't just can't tolerate someone else being the center
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: of attention, that's a huge red flag. Like that's a
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: red flag that'll cover a football field. That's a run flag.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Mhm.
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: But these people aren't concerned with that. They're concerned with
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: one in three women globally, not the fact that most
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: DV relationships are two way, and of the ones that
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: are one way, most of them are female perpetrated. So
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: what are we looking at here? They want legislation, they
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: want they're they're they're going to say again, let's see,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: we looked at this last week. Right feminists have been
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: addressing this for thirty years, nearly thirty years as worldwide,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: within governments, within uh world government organizations, and what does
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: it say? Level of violence remain largely unchanged. They've accomplished nothing. Nothing,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: we want to have you pay us to do more. Nothing.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: But what are they mad about the rise of anti
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: rights movements, shrinking civic spaces and backlash against women's rights
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: continue to undermine efforts to prevent violence against women and
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: girls that have achieved absolutely nothing, fueling a rise and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: attacks against women's rights activists. So we just read in
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks what they think is an
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: anti rights movement us talking about the fact that men
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: also experience domestic violence, that women can be perpetrators, and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: that there needs to be if there's going to be
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: a system to address it, it needs to go both ways,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and it needs to focus on teaching people nonviolent conflict management.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: That's anti rights, that's what they're talking about. You feel
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: like an anti rights activist, Lauren.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Anti what now?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: What about you, Mike, do you think your anti rights?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Well, they call me men's right sack or men's rights advocate.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: So in some degree I'm in favor of human rights,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: but to other degrees I'm not. So it's a sticky process.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm anti right in any
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: sense of the form, because what are we talking about?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: What is a right? Let's let's start the discussion there.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: What are they deeming is a right? You know, that's
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: a good question. Are we talking about this supposed right
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: to women's healthcare, which really means pro abortion? Well, no,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: I'm against that. I am fully against that. Sorry, nope.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: What about the for for a right to make taxpayers
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: pay for women's sanitary products.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: A right should be the ability to do what you
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: want within the confines of the law, without the law
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: coming down on you for doing that. A right should
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: be the ability to do what you want without infringing
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: on the rights of anyone else. And that's it seems
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: to be what it comes down to. As long as
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: you're not hurting anyone else. You should have the right
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: to do whatever you want without hurting anyone else, and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: if at any point those rights are infringed, we come
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: down hard on that ship. You shouldn't have the right
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: to food. You should have the right to buy food,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: but you shouldn't have the right to be given food.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: You should have the right to purchase healthcare without having
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: that right denied for frivolous reasons, like your political opinions.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't have the right to be given things. You
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: should have the right to take things as long as
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: it's not hurting anyone else or.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Earn them.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Them.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, in the United States, we call that the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: right to pursue happiness, and it's in our Constitution, and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of people will point to that and talk
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: about rights to be given things as if that they
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: have a right to receive happiness. But it's the right
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: to pursue happiness. So when the Constitution was initially written,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: that right looked like maybe getting a job and earning
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: money and buying things, or maybe going out into the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: wilderness and creating a life for yourself, building your own
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: home out of out of logs and mud. You know
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: that you turn into something like cement and you know,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: hunting and maybe farming a little. Right today, there's a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: lot less farming and going out into the wilderness because
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: that's corporate or government controlled, and a lot more getting
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: a job and earning money and buying things. But it's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: still the same right even if people object that, you know,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: they can't take away from corporations. But yeah, I believe
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: in the right to be left alone, right, the right
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: to not be interfered with unless you interfere with other
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: people wrongly, and that that right hasn't been respected in
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: this country or in the world for a long time.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's supposedly anti rights. If you want
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: men who are accused under say hashtag me too behavior
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: to have a right to do process in the court
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: system and to have a right to not be punished
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: for some allegation that's made against them unless the evidence
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: besides the accuser's testimony, proves that they did what they
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: are accused of and that it is a violation of
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the accusers' rights. But you know, we are considered anti
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: rights activists because we don't support a right to get
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: somebody incarcerated or otherwise punished, fired, canceled, whatever, just on
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: the basis of an allegation. So what's their big goal.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: They've given us one the overall aim. I hate the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: way this thing is set up. There we go. The
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: overall aim of act ACT is to create an enabling
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: environment for women's rights organizations, smooth grease the wheels, smooth
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: the pathway, and support the leadership and resilience of women's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: rights movements. Again, this is gendered. They don't want They're
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: not talking about human rights movements. They're talking about movements
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: that only serve women their advocacy and campaigning efforts to
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: influence EVAW policy. ACT will achieve its results through direct
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: investments in feminist women's rights organizations, investments strengthened institutional capacities, resilience,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: coalition building, network in leadership.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: So it's about money, Yeah, they they want your money, yep,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: because the money we have spent so far has gotten
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: us so much gains. They've made so many wins in
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: this arena that they still need more money.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because in thirty years of having support from governments
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: all over the world, all around the world, every single
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: country except a tiny few that maybe don't have that
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: much level of organization to them, they have achieved absolutely nothing, nothing,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: fuck and all. Yep, that's been helpful. And they then
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: they have this whole chart of you know, this is
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: what we're going to do. We're gonna they want more
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: institutional work, more women's rights organizations. So the structure of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: women's rights organizations usually are like they'll have the set
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: of people that they consider their grassroots, and then they'll
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: have the people who are like they're volunteers that do
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: physical labor, that do paperwork and shit like that on
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the groundwork, the people that go take petitions around or
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: sit with somebody in court or whatever, and they don't
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: get paid that much unless there's a grant from the
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: government to pay them. And then above that they'll have
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: their board that meets like six times a year and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: makes hundreds of thousands of dollars and doesn't actually do anything.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: And that's where most of the money that goes to
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: these organizations ends up. But they are wanting to conspire
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: with each other. So all these these women's rights organizations
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: shared advocacy agenda. They network, Uh, they look at what
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: has worked in one country. How do we get this
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: law passed, how do we get you know this this
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: money coming into our organization. We did these things. You
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: should try them too, right, knowledge sharing across the movement.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: So what they learn in India they can apply in Africa.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: What they learn in the United States, they can apply
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: in the UK. And they want to make sure that
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: there aren't any women's rights groups that aren't part of
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: this network. So no, no, no, rogue women's rights groups
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: out there that are actually doing anything about domestic violence,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: because then the cash cow will die. They they want
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: intersectional feminism involved. They want coalition building across not just
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: feminist groups, but other groups. So they want to infiltrate
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: other human rights groups, government organizations, non government organizations. They
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: want a network of data, research and evidence that they
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: can use. And when I say data research and evidence,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: I mean manipulated because feminists basically do manipulate their research
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: to obtain statistics that they want instead of actual evidence.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: And then engagement of key partners and networks. So when
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: they say non traditional actors here, they're talking about again
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: government organizations, church organizations, and people who will give them
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: money and what do they want to do? So they
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: gave us a couple examples here. They have these two protocols,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: so they're talking about shared agendas in Africa and South America.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Uh that that will they'll do sexual violence research in
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: in South America. They will provide funding to feminist groups
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: in South America and Latin America. And they both they
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: have programs the Maputo Protocol in Africa and the Esperanza
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Protocol in uh IN in Latin America, and we will
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: be looking a little bit at both of those. Next
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: week will be we'll be reading. We might start looking
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: into the Maputo Protocol this week because we still have
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit of time. But last but not least
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: on this. And I don't know if this is hidden.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: See if I can I don't think there's any further
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: down I can go the UN Trust Fund, which the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: UN Trust Fund comes from money that the UN takes
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: from the nation states that support the UN, So any
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: nation that pays United Nations dues, essentially there we go
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: will provide grants to emerging women's rights coalitions at the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: regional or subregional level in Africa or Latin America. So
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: they're funneling money from whatever countries are paying into the UN.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: They're funneling money from that to feminist organizations in Africa
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: and Latin America. So your tax dollars because the United
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: States does still pay dues, the UK does still pay dues.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Any European country you're in does still pay dues to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: the United Nations, anybody that's part of the United Nations Coalition,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: they're all spending your tax dollars into this fund. Your
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: tax dollars are being sent to support organizations that are
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: spreading feminist ideology, patriarchy theory, the Duluthe model, the whole
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: shebang in South America and Africa if they can make
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of money doing that.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: This is why so many people think the UN is devil,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: because we've often had this hypothesis that the devil will
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: present itself as something esthetically pleasing. It won't appears as
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: a demon as this red horned, hooved entity. It will
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: appear in the form of something that is pleasing to
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: the eye. And this is why so many people still
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: think the UN is the devil, because there's no UN men,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: and the devil, as as presented in so many of
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: these fictional presentations, that's not what it is. This is
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: why there's a UN women, but there's no UN men.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Despite everything they say about how women should be given
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: everything and men should be given nothing. And this is
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: why they bring aboard the ember Watsons of the world,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: these uh, these terrabic women sort of going, well, you
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: should give us all the things because look how angelic
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: we look. And yeah, no, we've we've been warned about
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: this for thousands of years, that the devil will present
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: itself as there's something pleasing to the eye, and yeah,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: this is this is what this is. We generally find
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: women pleasing to the eye, and this hasn't always been
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: the case. Ancient societies are like Greeks and Romans sort
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: of understood this. They were like, no, women are no
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: more pleasing to the eye than men. Why would they be.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: But we've been plunged in to this deception for so
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: long that that we think women are angels and men
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: are demons. But it's very much not the case. If anything,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Like I said, the devil presents itself in entities pleasing
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: to the eye, and that's very much women. I think
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: that's always been the case. Just to some degree. Men
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: do control society. There is such a thing as patriarchy,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: but that patriarchy is led by women, especially esthetically pleasing
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: women neotonous women, I believe is the word. And yeah,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: women have only become more neotonous as as the bond
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: the Arctanist women have been overrepresented in in the genome,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: in those who pass on their genes, and we're now
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: at the point where most women look like children and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: most women look like adults because evolution favors in the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: arctanous women and accelerated men, acceleration being the opposite of theotity.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it doesn't help that women have the availability of.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: Makeup and filters on their pictures to make them look
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: like something other than what they really are, you know.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: But really, what this is, this is, if we have
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: to boil it down, this is the top one percent
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: of women in whatever category you want to frame them as,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: you know, neotonous or you know, if they're financially successful,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: it's the top one percent of women using the top
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: one percent of men to basically say, these men are
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: are oppressing the rest of the ninety nine percent of us,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: you know. And it's it's the it's the weak willed
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: of us that will look at that and say, oh
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: my god, yes, you're right, Emma Watson must be right
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: about everything. She says, because she's rich and successful, and
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: oh my god, how could she be wrong when she
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: says that that, you know, men are oppressing us, But
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: it's it's not the fucking case, and we completely overlook
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: the ninety nine percent of men who are not in
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: those positions. They're using them as a cudgel to divide
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: the rest of us. And it's I don't know how
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: you break the rest of the women out of that hypnosis,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: because that's really what it is. They are being hypnotized
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: into believing that they are just you know, oh my
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: everything in the world is designed against me, and I'm
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: just a victim of everything and everyone. And look at
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: this man. He's so rich and I'm just so poor.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Instead of looking inward and you know, trying to better
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: themselves to be in a better position to where they
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: don't have to care about what other people think about them,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: you know, and.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: You have this sense of entitlement that's sort of trained
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: into girls growing up. Every one they have is responded to,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: and so they expect that that's going to happen throughout
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: their entire lives and when they hit adulthood and it
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: stops when it's not as prevalent for them, and it's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: it's still more prevalent for them than it is for
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: for dudes. Right, Guys, Guys are on their own during
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: their teenage years quite a bit, and then in adulthood
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: they're punished for failing. Whereas girls get picked up and assisted,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: guys guys get treated like it's it's illegal to be
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: a vagrant, right, And even if you're a vagrant because
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: your your your company that you worked for disappeared during
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: during the COVID crisis, or your ex wife is getting
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: every penny that you earn it your job, it's illegal
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: for you to sleep on the street in a lot
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: of places. It's illegal for you to not have a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: place to live. And if you want assistance from the government,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: you need an address. If you don't have an address,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: they can't help you. So if your address is a
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: dumpster in an alley, you're just fucked, right. And if
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: you have a weakness like an addiction or sometimes a
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: mental health problem that needs treated, homeless shelters won't house you.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: If there are women that want to use that homeless shelter,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: you go to the back of the line as a man,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: especially if those women have children. And sometimes even if
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: those women don't have children and you do.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: And yes, I was just about to say that, even
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: if you are a man and you have children, there
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: will be women. Even if the woman doesn't have children,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: they will be placed above a man who does. Yep.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: And in fact, if you're homeless and you're a man
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: and you have children, instead of helping you, the government
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: might just try to take them and place them with
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: someone else.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: So you know it's again, these protocols that they're talking about,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: they don't focus on human problems that encompassing all humans.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: They focus only on the problems that affect the female
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: half of the human race. And if you have a
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: coalition to focus on problems affecting the male half, they
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: call you anti rights. They call you anti human rights
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: because to feminists, human rights are only women's rights.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: That's why they say women's rights are human rights. They
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: don't say it because people think that human rights don't
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: include women. They say it because they want people to
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: think human rights only include women.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: M hm.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: So these two protocols are written a little bit differently
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: from each other. This one, yeah, stupid cookies. This one
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: is more of a like this website is set up
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: to look at look at it in terms of a pamphlet.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: There's a there's another link here that has the whole
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: protocol and it's again it's it's a more organized like.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: This looks more like a governmental document, whereas if you
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: go back to the the UH Protocol to the African
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Charter on Human and People's Rights on the Rights of
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Women in Africa, which what did they call this the
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: a Maputo Protocol, which somebody in chat said that that
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: means Maputo means begging basket. Oh, that's Makuto with a C.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know. This says Maputo with a pe. So
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. But it's it's it
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: looks more like something out of the the early feminist
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: you know, like the the Seneca fALS document MHM, where
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: they had a bunch of whereases and uh, there's were
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: accusing men of things. Men have done this, men have
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: done that to women. Women deserve this and women deserve that.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: This has more this is what's going on in Africa.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: So there's an African union, uh and and uh there's
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: this has been composed based on based on the writings
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: that that were involved in composing the African Union, and
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: so it it's cites law from that, and it starts
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: out talking about the African Charter on Human and People's Rights. Interestingly,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: that interesting that they say human and people's rights. Interesting
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: way of saying that, I don't know what the difference
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: between humans and people would be, but I suppose somebody
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: does to supplement the provisions of the African Charter the
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Assembly of Heads of State and government. So this is
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: they want this to be continent wide, not just some
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: nation in Africa that they're they're focusing on, but the
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: entire continent, all of the nations in the Union. They're referencing, uh,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: the Non Discrimination Article of the African Charter on Human
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: and People's Rights. They are referencing the the article on
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: anti discrimination. Article eighteen calls on all states parties to
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: eliminate every discrimination against women, just women right and ensure
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: the protection of the rights of women as stipulated and
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: international declarations and conventions. And then it also cites Article
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: sixty and sixty one. So it sounds like the African
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Union already has enshrined women's rights in its version of
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: a constitution. In its charter. Basically that these are recognized
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: within the Charter. But and it says here too, recalling
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: that women's rights have been recognized and guaranteed in all
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: international human rights instruments, notably the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: the International Coveent on Civil and Political Rights, International Covent
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, Convention of the Elimination
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: of All Forms of Discrimination against Women and its optional Protocol,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: the African Charter on the Rights and Welfare of the Child,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: and all other international and regional conventions. So right there
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: in that statement they give the reason why this thing
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: that they've produced should be completely unnecessary, Like women's rights
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: are guaranteed in every form of government communication to the
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: world about human rights Internationally, they've been recognized, they've been
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: recognized in the African Union, and that they've been guaranteed
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: by parts of the Charter. So given all of that,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: what the hell do they need to ask for? So
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: we're gonna skip a lot of the rest of this.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: It just mentions more government organizations. Their claim concerned that
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: despite the ratification of the African Charter on Human and
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: People's Rights and other international human rights instruments by the
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: majority of states parties and their solemn commitment to eliminate
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: all forms of discrimination and harmful practices against women. Women
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: in Africa still continue to be victims of discrimination and
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: harmful practices.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's just fucking women anywhere everywhere, they're
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: all just fucking victims. I'm so sick of this ship.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Whereas men are just well, it doesn't matter, doesn't It's
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: just like the seed on It looks like so many
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: other maps that we need to concentrate on Africa in
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: the Middle East, because they don't give women human rights
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: all right, to what degree, to the get do they
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: give men human rights? Well, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: It's automatically. Assume that men automatically have rights. Do you
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: think men in Africa automatically have human rights? Another thing
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: they do. Do you think that men in the Middle
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: East automatically have human rights? I'm sure you think they do,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: because you know, this is this is the paradigm we're
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: presented with in the West, in particularly in the in
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: the European West. We don't need to worry about men's
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: rights because men just always have rights, right, even in
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: these blackwater African countries where the very concept of rights
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: has never particularly existed until us evil Europeans came along
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: and tried to present people with the concept of human
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: rights in general. But then another bunch of Europeopan of
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: European and European people came along and said, well, what
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: rights are are women's rights. We don't need to bother
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: about men's rights because men's rights just automatically exist everywhere,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: even in the fucking Sahara desert. Men automatically have human rights,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: So we don't need to bother about any of that shit.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: What we mean by human rights is women's rights and
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: men and in fact, go fuck themselves like if and
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: the Europeans have tried to improve the lives of Africans
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: for the last two hundred years or so, but it
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: never occurred to them that that would include men's rights.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, and they keep calling us racist for
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: all this shit, but I'm like saying, maybe African men
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: also deserve human rights. Maybe Middle Eastern men also deserve
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: human rights. No, no, how very day you no men automatically,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: have you been right? So we don't need to bother
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: with them?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: Well, see the takeaway here is that two rights make
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: a wrong.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: There you go, that's the thing feminists argue men have
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: all the rights. Women deserve some of them, and in
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: order to have some of them, you have to take
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: them away from men. But let's say the right to
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: do process. The right to do process is the right
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: of an accused person in a court case. Due process
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: is a standard of presentation, basically a standard of examination
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: wherein the court looks not just at what the accuser says,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: and wherein the court doesn't necessarily presume the accused guilty,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: but instead you present evidence. You have the right to
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: make arguments into your defense. You have the right to
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: confront your accuser, and you have the right to tear
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: your accuser story apart to see if the accuser is lying,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: because some accusers do. And that due process involves things
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: like the state shouldn't incarcerate you for years and years
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: without a trial, making you wait with endless delays. The
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: state gives you a right to a speedy trial that
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: you can waive if you need to make delays, But
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: if you don't, then the state has to act fast
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: in order to make a determination, rather than just keeping
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: you in jail and definitely without a hearing, which is
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: what they did to some of the J six victims.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Many of the Jay six victims that they referred to
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: as perpetrators, many of them were kept for quite some
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: time without a trial and would have continued to be
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: kept without a trial if the election had gone in
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: the other direction. And they're not the only ones this
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: is done to, but it does happen a lot to
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: political prisoners, even in the United States, where we think
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: we're better than everyone else about that we're not.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: We're clearly we're supposed to be.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: And similarly, just the right to be not interfered with
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: the right to be left alone. So it's criminal. It's
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: a criminal act for somebody to act on your body
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: without your consent, But it's more of a criminal act
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: if it's done to a woman than if it's done
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: to a man, and it's especially more of a criminal
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: act if a man does it than if a woman
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: does it. So clearly it's not equal, it's not being
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: treated equally, and in some instances a woman can completely
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: get away with it because when the state tries to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: prosecute her the way that it would prosecute a man,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: the criminal act that they accuse her of doesn't. It's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: defined in such a way that it doesn't include women
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: as perpetrators, and therefore she gets off scott free. That's
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: even happened in one case we covered a while back
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: where the perpetrator was the mother and the victim was
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: her two year old child. So so yeah, here they
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: are again. My my take on this is right. We
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: just went through and read all of the ways that
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: world government organizations and various other government organizations, world non
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: government organizations the charter that they are talking about, for
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: for for the African Union UH and UH African other
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  Speaker 1: African organizations have all made a commitment to a eliminate
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: all forms of discrimination and harmful practices against women. That
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: this has been established since the nineteen nineties. This is
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: a thing that exists. They're already doing it, they've been
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: working on it, and women are still victims of discrimination
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: and harmful practices. According to these people, they have achieved.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: How much have they achieved? Tuck and all nothing clip,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: all the money that's being put into this, all the
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: organizational activity, all of the individual grassroots movements, everything that
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: they've done. Their first lament when asking for more is
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: all of this work we've put in, we have achieved nothing.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Give us more money. Give us more power with the money,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: and power we've had so far has been completely ineffective. Therefore,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: you should trust us with more.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the more and more tax dollars. I think that
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: needs to be explicitly explained is that we are all
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: being milked for these endeavors, and that that is the
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: thing that I cannot abide by. And you know, if
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: this was like some you know, private investor type of situation,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: you know, okay, all right, have at it. I mean,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: I still wouldn't agree with it. But the fact that
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: you're taking money out of my fucking paycheck for this, well,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: and then all right, it is also incumbent upon the
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: United States to uh give over this tax money.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: It's it's not like they just like these feminists or
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: the UN or the whatever organization just says, oh hey,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: please can we have I'm just gonna take a little
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: bit of out. No, the government has to be complicit
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: with this, so, you know, we we also need to
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: be looking at our leaders, you know, are the people
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: that we elect into office, and let them know we
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: are not okay with our money going towards these ridiculous
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: fucking regimes. Like I'm not okay with this. I don't
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: want my tax money going to that. But I mean,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: you will be hard pressed to find a politician who
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: is not going to be on the take of any
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: kind of feminist organization, because that's just they want the
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: votes and they know that they know that they have
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: to get the women on board, right.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: And so's votes, guys.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: Right, And and so this this this argument or that
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: feminists like to say, oh, well, women, we don't have
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: any power room, No bitch, yes you do. And you
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: don't even understand how much power your voice has.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: But apparently they don't do anything with it.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's just it stickens me to
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: the fucking back teeth. I'm just done.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: And women just need a little bit more power, just
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: a little bit more, and next month we'll need a
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: little little bit more. What you're gonna do with it?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: What you're gonna do with all this power? We're going
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: to make sure that women have more power. Right, But
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: once you have that power, what are you going to do?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: We're going to give women more power, right, But after that,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: what are you going to do with it? We're going
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: to give women more power, oh sake.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: To do absolutely nothing?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: At least at least not what their intended goals are. Right,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: You're not moving an inch forward towards your goal. What
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: they're looking for is world domination. And I mean, by
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: and large, I would kind of argue that they have
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: gotten it. But you know it's not enough. It's not
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: enough for them.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: And you know what women's organizations have achieved over the
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: last thirty years.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: The complete destruction of men's rights.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, three worldwide, by the way, worldwide. Okay, three out
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: of ten pregnancies are aborted worldwide. That's almost a third
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: of conceived human beings in the world being aborted. Dying
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: death by abortion, abortion being aborted, being aborted is the
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: true leading cause of human death in the world.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, it beats starvation, It beats war, heart, it beats murder,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: it beats accidents, it beats heart conditions.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: I mean it is murder, to be fair, Yeah.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: But it beats it beats interpersonal violence, murder that that
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: people recognize as murder. Abortion is violent. It is murder.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: It is uh the taking of a human life that
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: is not guilty of anything, right, and it is. It
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: is the largest number of deaths worldwide, the largest number
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: of human lives that end every year, are ended before
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: they are born by medical abortion. This is not counting miscarriages, right,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: and it is not count abortions that are done to
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: prevent the death of the mother through UH because of
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: complications of the pregnancy.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: Which is a fraction of a fraction of a percent.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: Right, That is elective abortions. So just that's what they've accomplished.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: That's what they got done. They killed a third of
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: incoming humans. But aside from that, they have accomplished nothing
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: else except that they get a lot of money. And
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm pretty convinced. And I remember reading different
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: connections here when we were going through it. The US
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: funding site that we were looking at, this is one
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: of the initiatives that has received money via that US
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: AIDS infection under the Humanitarian Initiative veil that that has
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: infected the entire world human the Humanitarian Initiative veil. If
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: you get a Humanitarian Initiative veil infection, you get to
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: get organized organizations like these in your country.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: UH.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: And then then when they start enacting policy and influencing
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: government policy and taking money from your country too, they
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: start siphoning off your nation's budget, you end up with
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: a full blown US AIDS infection. Uh, and eventually it
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: will cause all kinds of attacks on on your system
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: of immunity to bullshit.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know about anybody else, but it
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: sounds a whole lot like communism to me.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: So for the most part, Oh, I wanted to point
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: this out too. Right, they're firmly convinced that any practice
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: that hinders or endangers the normal growth and effect the
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: physical and psychological development of women and girls should be
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: condemned and eliminated. Not children, not humans, just women and girls.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Only the female half of the population gets this kind
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: of care. So yep. Oh, and they defined women women
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: means person persons of female gender, including girls. So girls
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: are women and we will.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: Now they can define what a woman is now they
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: define women.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: A woman is someone who deserves gimmes.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we will start next week. Uh at how
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: they think they're going to eliminate the discrimination of women, which, uh,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: just bear in mind that these are these are the
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: new things they're gonna do after thirty years of doing
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: things that didn't work. So we shall see if they're
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: going to do anything different than they've already been doing,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: but I will go ahead and get into our superchats now.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Richard Bierre sent us five dollars and said, so an
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: unrelated tangent like the one we kind of It wasn't
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: really unrelated, but I sent Hannah a link to a
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: video from an organization that produces sex education videos for
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: those starting puberty. This one was about how often and
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: how many morning after pills could be taken at a time.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Give me a flashback to hearing about one of the
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: girls who were groomed into prostitution and how one of
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: the girls was going to a clinic to get a
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: morning after pill on a daily basis. Another unrelated what, yeah,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: that's that. That pill is a hormone pill. The morning
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: after pill is a hormone pill. It has side effects.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: It does damage to your liver and your kidneys. It
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: changes your hormonal balance, It can do damage to your
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: reproductive system, it can do damage to your brain, it
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: can do damage to your circulatory system. And if you're
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: taking them every day, it's incredibly harmful. Then that's just
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: that pill. The birst control pill has its own issues.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: Right not to say that boys who are groomed into
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: prostitution don't have their own issues, they get the hell
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: beat out of them, they get abused in ways that
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: cause permanent damage to the areas of their bodies that
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: are used for sex, and they're more likely because of
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: the type of abuse that they experience that they're they're
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: likely to get killed or get infected with STIs, so
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: they're they're not likely to survive their abuse and h.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: But this is this is definitely a horrible circumstance for
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: girls that are in that circumstance, that are in that situation.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: Given certain current events, there is going to be a
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: massive walking back of a lot of acceptance and tolerance
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: that so many people were advocating for. This is the
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: hard part, right, We have a population, a subset of
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: the the world population, that has been programmed to nice
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: themselves to death. They think they're being altruistic because they
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: are virtue signaling for groups that have more victim points
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: on the on the progressive stack that other groups, but
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: in reality, they're supporting criminals, violent people, abusers, and you know,
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: they they dysfunctions in society that result in people's deaths
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: and UH and also in a cycle of further abuse,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: of further violence, further drug use further uh dysfunction. But
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: because the people that they are supporting have more victim
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: points in the progressive stack, and they are programmed to
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: put that detail before everything else, it's damn near impossible
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: to convince them that it is not okay for them
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: to support the dysfunction that they're supporting in those people,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: and that the damage that they're tolerating to the people
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: around them because of that dysfunction, because viction points, well,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: these people are victims and it's okay for them to
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: do these things and just be left at large in
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: public to continue to do these things. And if you object,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: it's not because you don't feel obligated to tolerate these
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: things being done to you, right, It's not because you
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: got your head bashed in with a rock and you're
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: bleeding that you're upset. It's because this person is the
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: wrong color. If a person that was a white male
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: bashed your head in with a rock and you were
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: bleeding to death, you wouldn't say a word, right. That is,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: they believe that logic, and so this is going to
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: continue to happen until we can deprogram that cult. That's
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: a very difficult prospect. We have merit at g gave
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: us five dollars and said, HBr talked three to seventy
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: three honey for the Badgers for the thought provoking conversation.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure we've provoked a few thoughts tonight, especially
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: ones that are making these stupid choices and getting paid
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: I hope they're all in the vertical chat.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: Hi, vertical chet, Hello special people.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have vertical chat. Hasn't been too bad we had.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: We've got Belle Rick in there, recognizing that once you
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: understand where it war, you will understand that men are
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: the enemy and the system of the system, and women's
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: rights are a weapon. Is this something that I've been
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: saying for a while. Uh. And of course somebody mentioned
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: the fact that you can tax more people if women work,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons why they wanted women's rights.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: Absolutely yea. And yeah, somebody mentioned the organ organ harvesting
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: of people who've had the death penalty, which they can
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: do that depending on certain types of execution, but they
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: can't do that if the execution used poison or the
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: electric chair, because the electric chair literally cooks you, so
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: you really can't harvest anything after that. But but yeah,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: we've we have. We've actually had some decent chats from
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: the uh from the vertical chat. This time they were
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: they were actually uh, they grasped what we were talking about,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: didn't call us freeze.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: So I saw that comment.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: Well, there's been a.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: Few people that have made that comment. I don't understand
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: the the crazy nasty ass honey badger meme is not
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: a dead meme. People are still using that meme. Uh,
• 1:51:51
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• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: picked up on it, which it's kind of like your
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: boomer parents picking up on your your me. But you know,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: it's still it's still a known meme. So the idea
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: that you know, we're us using it makes us fur
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: ez is kind of silly. But are still it still
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: gets promoted.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: I think our avatars kind of maybe lend a little bit.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we took a little far, but.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: It's what we do.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: Hell, I'll be honest, I will be honest. I like
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: using avatars because I don't like being on camera. It
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: makes me feel like I'm too much the center of attention.
• 1:52:37
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• 1:52:40
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• 1:52:44
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• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: you know, me, instead of like a badger. But it's
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: still I would rather use an avatar, like, I don't
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: want people focusing on me and how I look like
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: I want to. I want people focusing on the issue
• 1:52:59
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• 1:53:03
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• 1:53:07
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• 1:53:13
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• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: says we should use anime wife who avatars, but I
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: think this would be a distraction. Yes, so we might
• 1:53:26
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• 1:53:29
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• 1:53:34
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• 1:54:15
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• 1:54:18
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• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: shit and for the very thought provoking discussion at the beginning,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: and thanks to Brian again for working in the background
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: to make sure the vertical chat can happen because I
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: still haven't familiarized myself enough to make that a possibility. Fair,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: you know, fair excuse here. Between HBr and my regular job,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: I'm averaging eighty hours a week right now, so that's
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: why I don't have time to learn anything new. But
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: thanks everybody, and good night all.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: Good night, y'all.