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Jud Eades on Living the Road Less Traveled · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Good. Thanks so much man for being on the podcast
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  Speaker 1: with me today. This is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: This is It's a little surreal really because this is
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  Speaker 2: there's not many podcasts that I listened to every episode.
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  Speaker 2: This is the only one, and so it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: no one's going to want to hear from me, but
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  Speaker 2: here we are.
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  Speaker 1: You know what though, absolutely and you and I have
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  Speaker 1: We've been finishing each other's sentences for over a year
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  Speaker 1: now as buddies. So we we like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the same things. We have a love for travel, we
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  Speaker 1: have a love for overlanding, for doing things that we
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  Speaker 1: enjoy with people that we enjoy. And you've got You've
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  Speaker 1: got a great story. I think it's an inspirational story
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  Speaker 1: that helps people frame the possibility of adventure in their life,
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  Speaker 1: not only of course with vehicles, but motorcycles, with their
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  Speaker 1: family ways that you have created a life of adventure
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  Speaker 1: for yourself and for your kids. And adventure can be
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  Speaker 1: come in so many different forms. It can come in
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  Speaker 1: the form of business, that can come in the form
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  Speaker 1: of In your case, you were a professional rock climber,
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  Speaker 1: You were a mountain biker, a downhill mountain biker, you
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  Speaker 1: were an outdoor adventure athlete for many years, and then
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  Speaker 1: you started your own business and now you create some
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  Speaker 1: of the best expedition vehicles on the market. So there's
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  Speaker 1: this progression that your life has taken and I'd love
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  Speaker 1: to hear that story. So that's why we're on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast together today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel blessed because when I was younger and
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  Speaker 2: I was you know, I climbed around the world. I
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  Speaker 2: had these amazing opportunities to just see the world, but
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  Speaker 2: no money. And so when you talk, like on the
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  Speaker 2: podcast talking about people think I got to save. I
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  Speaker 2: gotta save, we gotta save. I think I was as
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  Speaker 2: happy when I was twenty one years old with no money,
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  Speaker 2: traveling with you know, and still trying to do all
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  Speaker 2: these things as you get later in life with mine,
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  Speaker 2: I think some people maybe focus on the wrong thing,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, it was I just have this life of adventure.
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  Speaker 2: I've I had all these outdoor companies when I was young,
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  Speaker 2: but they didn't make a lot of money. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: my first job was at fifteen, I was stalking shelves
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  Speaker 2: at ARII, and I just got into this kind of
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  Speaker 2: the climbing scene and outdoor and I was around it all.
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  Speaker 2: And back in those days, ari I was small, so
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  Speaker 2: you actually worked with professional athletes because there wasn't any money.
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  Speaker 2: They all had to have a job at ARII or Sure,
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  Speaker 2: And so I was surrounded by these like amazing mentors
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  Speaker 2: in the outdoors that were forty fifty years old and
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  Speaker 2: just legends and climbed with you, launch an art and
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  Speaker 2: all these things. So anyway, it was just cool. And
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  Speaker 2: then but then I got to where they're like good
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  Speaker 2: bet or best is that life of the outdoors at
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  Speaker 2: that age was good, but it wasn't necessarily the best
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  Speaker 2: thing for me. It wasn't bad. But as we started
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  Speaker 2: to have the two younger boys or two oldest boys,
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  Speaker 2: I just started priorities shifted, and so yeah, I did
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  Speaker 2: get into a little more risk with some different businesses
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  Speaker 2: that weren't outdoor related, but it was. It was magical
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  Speaker 2: in a way because now when I was going outdoors,
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  Speaker 2: it was fully for recreation, where before you had like
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  Speaker 2: a film crew with you or a radio crew, and
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  Speaker 2: you would and you would know because this has been
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  Speaker 2: your life probably where it's like I would climb something
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  Speaker 2: and the shot wasn't quite right, come back down and
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  Speaker 2: climb it again. And so it came into a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a job. So it was neat to then
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  Speaker 2: have a what might be considered a normal career. But
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  Speaker 2: it also when you've risked your life in this adventures
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  Speaker 2: and the climbing and other things, business didn't seem like
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  Speaker 2: a risk, and especially when you're in your mid to
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  Speaker 2: late twenty like, if this fails, they can take everything
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  Speaker 2: I've got and they're end up with some credit card debt,
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  Speaker 2: but there's nothing to take and.
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  Speaker 1: So you can reset and redo it again.
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  Speaker 2: But it wasn't It didn't feel risky to me because
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  Speaker 2: my whole life was a kind of a risky adventure.
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  Speaker 2: I love that feeling of, you know, which is why
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  Speaker 2: all our companies are called adrenaline. Is that kind of
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  Speaker 2: you're almost out of control, and that's like you're trying
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  Speaker 2: to control something right on the verge of out of control.
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  Speaker 2: If you're downhill, mountain bikeingner ski and it's like you're
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  Speaker 2: this closed, out of control. But that's when that adrenaline
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  Speaker 2: rush comes in. And I just got addicted to that feeling,
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  Speaker 2: which has put me in the hospital too many times.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that definitely describe any version of downhill skiing I've
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  Speaker 1: ever done was out of control. It's it's that's such
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  Speaker 1: an interesting observation, and I think it's something that relates
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  Speaker 1: directly to adventure, and I think it's why so many
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  Speaker 1: people are compelled to travel and to see new places
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  Speaker 1: in the world, because it helps us gain confidence for
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  Speaker 1: other parts of life. So the fact that you had
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  Speaker 1: learned to create a plan, you would work, you would
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  Speaker 1: learn to work with a team, you would learn to
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  Speaker 1: execute on the plan. When you went up the mountain,
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  Speaker 1: there's a specific route that you needed to follow in
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  Speaker 1: order to get to the top successfully and safely. All
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  Speaker 1: of those things prepared you for business.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, is there's so many parallels. It's interesting in business,
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  Speaker 2: I see in a climbing team, your life depends on
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  Speaker 2: your team, and in business your life doesn't depend on it.
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  Speaker 2: But I see so many businesses that it's like they
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  Speaker 2: just they have mediocre people around them, or they're in
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  Speaker 2: the wrong seat on the bus as the acronym or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But in climbing, you don't mess with that. You're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if I break my leg at eighteen thousand feet, who's
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  Speaker 2: getting me is this team? Where in business I see
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  Speaker 2: too often where it's just I've made analogy sometimes is
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  Speaker 2: when I grew up, we talked about we didn't watch
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  Speaker 2: TV much, you know, you and I both, but we
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  Speaker 2: had one of those wooden TV one thousand pounds, looks
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  Speaker 2: like a gun safe TV console and it didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a remote control. And there's like six or eight I'm
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  Speaker 2: fifty years old, so I don't know how many channels.
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  Speaker 2: There were maybe four or five, six somewhere in there.
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  Speaker 2: But sometimes the channel wasn't great what you were watching,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't bad enough that you'd get up and
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  Speaker 2: change the channel.
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  Speaker 1: Motivate you didn't change.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it had to be something bad, Like my dad
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  Speaker 2: liked ice skating or star trek and I couldn't stand
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  Speaker 2: it had to be something like that. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: not star trek. Here we go change this. But in business,
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  Speaker 2: I see people have employees and it's not that they're
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  Speaker 2: a bad human or a bad person, they're just they
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  Speaker 2: don't not a fit for that. But sometimes it's like
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  Speaker 2: the only time is like, there's probably something better. Get
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  Speaker 2: off of your butt, go change the channel. And so
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  Speaker 2: in business, in climbing, you would never do that. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: if this person's maybe not good enough, they're not good
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  Speaker 2: enough at all because it could kill us all. And
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  Speaker 2: still it's not fair to them either, becau it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be miserable for them if they're up. But in businesses
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  Speaker 2: it's the same thing. If employees is not a good fit,
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  Speaker 2: it's a nice business just to let them run around run,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, and then it creates this kind of wedd
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  Speaker 2: it's not fun to go to work anymore. So there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of analogies between outdoor adventure you would know
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  Speaker 2: as well. On these you've risked your life in vehicles
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  Speaker 2: on teams, and I've heard you brag about how great
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  Speaker 2: those teams work together. But if you had, if it
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  Speaker 2: didn't or you didn't trust somebody or something, it would
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  Speaker 2: it'd be scary.
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  Speaker 1: It absolutely is. And imagine trying to catch some rest
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  Speaker 1: when you're driving across Russia. If you don't trust the
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  Speaker 1: driver that is across from you, you can't sleep. You
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  Speaker 1: can't sleep. And even it was in Russia, we had
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  Speaker 1: to tell one of the team members that they weren't
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  Speaker 1: allowed to drive anymore under any circumstances. They just weren't
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  Speaker 1: able to operate the vehicle in a way that we
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  Speaker 1: all deemed to be safe. Yeah, and they drove every
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  Speaker 1: day in their own life, but within the confines of
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  Speaker 1: our expedition, it was far too much risk to let
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  Speaker 1: them continue to operate the vehicle. They demonstrated a lack
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  Speaker 1: of mechanical sympathy and a lack of control too many times.
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  Speaker 1: And then you just have to make it stop.
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  Speaker 2: And that's hard because I know that you love and
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  Speaker 2: care about everybody I do, and you don't want to
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  Speaker 2: hurt somebody's feelings. But you're like, but I also don't
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  Speaker 2: want our team to die. Yeah, that's right or get
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  Speaker 2: seriously hurt. And so it is. It's but it's I
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  Speaker 2: found it's easier to make those decisions when your life
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  Speaker 2: is at danger. In businesses, people seem to be almost
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  Speaker 2: too tolerant, and then their business just stays mediocre.
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  Speaker 1: That's an interesting point you just made, because I just
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  Speaker 1: had a realization when you said it is. I got
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  Speaker 1: to the point where I would only let myself be
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  Speaker 1: in that truck with him that and I had a realization,
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  Speaker 1: if I won't let anyone else ride with him because
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  Speaker 1: it's not safe, why am I putting myself in that
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  Speaker 1: same risk? What's what makes me any more dispensable than
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  Speaker 1: anybody else? And that was when I told him, I said,
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  Speaker 1: you got to pull over and you can't drive the vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: That's a hard bet. That was a hard I bet.
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  Speaker 2: It stewed with you for a while. How do I
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  Speaker 2: do this the right way?
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  Speaker 1: It was because the individual had a very key role
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  Speaker 1: in other parts of the trip, and I was worried
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  Speaker 1: that maybe he'd bounce or whatever. He was a translator
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  Speaker 1: for us, so it was like a really key position.
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  Speaker 2: That relates to business too, because he was key at
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  Speaker 2: a certain aspect and so you put him in a different,
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  Speaker 2: different position, it's the wrong position. It's not that he's
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  Speaker 2: a bad person or doesn't have skills. His skills are
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  Speaker 2: far better than your guys. Is at a different aspect,
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  Speaker 2: a different skill set that he has, so channel them in.
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  Speaker 2: So in business, same thing, channel channel your team into
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  Speaker 2: those skill sets they have.
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  Speaker 1: And I was realizing on that trip too, is I
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  Speaker 1: was worried that if you take one driver out of
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  Speaker 1: the mix, now everyone has to drive that many more
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  Speaker 1: hours in total. So I was like, ah, people are
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  Speaker 1: going to get tired. But then I was realizing I
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  Speaker 1: was getting no rest, So it was just it was
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: going to be this cascade of events, which you're very
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  Speaker 1: familiar with from climbing. Those cascade of events is where
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  Speaker 1: you make that one little decision or that one little compromise,
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  Speaker 1: and then it results in you needing to make a
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  Speaker 1: bigger compromise where things start to not go well or
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: you get a little bit too deep, and then it's
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  Speaker 1: cascades from one problem to the next until it's a
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  Speaker 1: really big issue.
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  Speaker 2: And you look back and said, I should have done
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  Speaker 2: something about this six days ago.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, yeah, exactly. So one of the other
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  Speaker 1: things that I think comes out of and Yvonne Schnard
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  Speaker 1: ta about this in some of his books as well.
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  Speaker 1: But how I have you, as a business owner taken
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  Speaker 1: some of your outdoor experience in knowing when to turn around?
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  Speaker 1: That's one of the things that it must be the
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  Speaker 1: most difficult for a mountaineer is to turn back at
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  Speaker 1: some point close to the summit, maybe even the summits
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  Speaker 1: within view. How did you reconcile that as a climber,
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  Speaker 1: and then how did you incorporate that into business to
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  Speaker 1: know like when it's time to either change course or
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  Speaker 1: to come off the mountain and let something go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard, especially when you've trained your whole life
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  Speaker 2: and then really seriously trained for months and you've put
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: everything you've got on it. And then you also feel
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: the pressure of sponsors. Yeah sure, it's like, Hey, am
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  Speaker 2: I going to lose this sponsorship if I don't if
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  Speaker 2: I don't perform, if I don't make it to the summit,
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  Speaker 2: And so you've got to you need to make those
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  Speaker 2: decisions in your planning. This is the decision I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to make if this circumstance happens, Because ahead of time,
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact percentage, but it's something like
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  Speaker 2: seventy or eighty percent of all deaths happen on the descent,
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  Speaker 2: and it's because people don't realize, like the world thinks,
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  Speaker 2: the summit is it, you've completed it. No, the summit's halfway.
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  Speaker 2: You still got to come all the way back down.
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  Speaker 2: And so people will use all their energy to get
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  Speaker 2: to the summit and think that that's the finish line. No,
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  Speaker 2: and climbing that's halfway. You still got to double that again,
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  Speaker 2: and so you get lazy. You got gravity on your side,
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  Speaker 2: which will help makes you trip up or do stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and you're tired. Your brain's not working, is well, your
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: brain doesn't. My brain doesn't work anyway at a sea level,
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  Speaker 2: but at altitude it's even worse. You don't have the
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  Speaker 2: oxygen near the oxygen you have, and so you really
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  Speaker 2: have to know before you're even climbing of if these
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  Speaker 2: situations happen, what can I do and then also be
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  Speaker 2: willing to adapt is really be willing like that. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: a detour what we might consider detours in our mind,
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  Speaker 2: it's like this is my business plan, and you start
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  Speaker 2: on that and it sometimes the detour is the right plan.
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  Speaker 2: You just didn't have that as the right route the
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  Speaker 2: first time, and in business you look like, hey, they
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  Speaker 2: needed a detour. But also sometimes in business we get
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  Speaker 2: a lot of business owners. We all have a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of adhd take that risk and do stuff. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: business owners can just wear out our team because we're detouring.
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  Speaker 2: No this idea, Oh and I did this idea. And
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  Speaker 2: there's a reason why a lot of times people want
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  Speaker 2: to work for somebody because they're more risk at first,
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  Speaker 2: and so you wear them out as an entrepreneur if
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  Speaker 2: you're just constantly pivoting all the time. So there's things
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  Speaker 2: that I look back now, going if I had the
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: energy now that I had in my twenties and thirties,
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  Speaker 2: but the wisdom I have now, because wisdom comes from
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  Speaker 2: making mistakes. If I know anything. If I know anything,
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: if anyone's like, oh, Judd knows this or that, it's
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  Speaker 2: because I made mistakes, not because I'm smart. It's like
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  Speaker 2: I need to learn. So I look back and Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I got a lot of wisdom because I made a
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  Speaker 2: lot of mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: Well we were just talking through that going through the
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  Speaker 1: truck the other day. But just look out for them,
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: think about this all because of the mistakes that I've
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  Speaker 1: made or the things that I've learned along the way.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's such a key piece of making
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  Speaker 1: good decisions, not only as an overlander or as an
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  Speaker 1: adventure but also as a business person, is to be
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  Speaker 1: willing to accept the fact that we make mistakes, and
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  Speaker 1: that's human to make mistakes, but how do we make
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  Speaker 1: sure we don't do it again? How do we learn
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  Speaker 1: from And that a student's mindset, that student's heart is
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  Speaker 1: such a key piece to success. I believe the business
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: owners that you see that just take they achieve success
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  Speaker 1: like an anvil. They just they keep hammering on themselves
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  Speaker 1: and others. It's usually a pretty hollow summit for them
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  Speaker 1: because they haven't built a community of people around them.
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  Speaker 1: They get to celebrate the wind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. One thing I learned early on is
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: that I don't know if I was that really good
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: of a business owner. If I was good at anything,
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: it was hiring a good team. And one of the
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: things I learned is that you surround yourself with people
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: that are better than you are. So you said you
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: need that translator, It's like, obviously he's better than the
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: rest of the team was where you need him, and
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: then keep him, don't dilute his skills, to keep him
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  Speaker 2: on what he's best at. But yeah, in business, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: as I'm trying to put people in the right position,
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: it's like there is some pivoting and moving. But one
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  Speaker 2: of the best things I did is I would interview
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: my employees at least once a year, it was usually
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: twice a year, and I had questions like if one
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: of the biggest my favorite questions were like, if you
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  Speaker 2: were the owner of this company, what's at least one
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  Speaker 2: thing you would change? And I get the best feedback
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: and then they feel like they're part of the decision making.
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  Speaker 2: And then I would put together to compile okay, after
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: we interviewed everyone, and at times I had over one
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: hundred employees, so this would take me months of doing it.
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  Speaker 2: But it was so critical because your employees know the
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: business better than you do, at least the aspects they're
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: involved in. And I'd come back with a team, this
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  Speaker 2: is what I learned from you guys, what do you think?
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: And then it was buying because it was their idea. Okay,
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: so I learned this five of you said this, do
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: you think this is a good idea, and then they'll say, Dad,
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  Speaker 2: it's a great idea. And then when you make that change,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: now you're doing that detour, the whole team grab hold
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  Speaker 2: of this steering wheel that detour.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great example and it's something that we can
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  Speaker 1: even ask when we're with our travel companions. So you
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: travel a lot with your family, so stopping along the
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: way and asking them what's working, what's not working? Are
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: you having fun? What would make this more fun or
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: what would make this more meaningful for you? And it's
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: surprising what your team, whether it be business or travel,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: will give you that feedback of you know what, I
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: really wish we had stopped at that museum or whatever.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my wife's much better at enjoying the moment
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: than I am. To me, I just it's all destination focused.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: So last year we went to Europe and when we
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: were driving a through all just through the Alps and
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: doing stuff, it's like, oh, from Zermont to ladder Bruin
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: and then maybe we could go over to shawm and
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: A and anyway, I plan it all and end up
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: in six hour days in the car day after day.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: And we got to Zermont and we were there three
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: days and it was the first time we can you that,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: and I really wearing her out. This is not fun
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: for her to be in the car, but for me,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: it's like, I want to see this, I want to
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: show it. Was more we had another couple with us
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: and they hadn't been there before. I wanted to show
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: them everything, and I realized I thought was on the
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: gas too much. And for my wife, like and I
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: think the other couple too. It's like sometimes it's like, well,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: you got to stop and take it in and enjoy
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: the moment. We could have spent the entire time in Zermont,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: maybe one other town and maybe had even a better time.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: But what a gift for you to recognize that your
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: travel companions needed that small shift in the way that
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: you were traveling. Yeah, And I think a lot of times,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: whoever's at the wheel of the overland trip, they forget
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to pay attention either to what their own I've done
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that myself, and I've talked about it on the podcast.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Is that I realized, like far too often in my journeys,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I've just had the gas down to make it to
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: some objective that no one on the earth placed on me.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Other than myself, and that's it. It's been an interesting
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: lesson to me, and I'm working harder on trying to
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: slow down and experience a little bit more of the
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: journey as opposed to being so focused on the goal.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: It is that I'm trying to and it's hard because
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: it's so goal driven or check or checklist or if
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I do this and that, And so that was part
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: of the reason that I semi retired is I there
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: was just a realization like how much what am I
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: doing this for? Is it money? Is it fame? Is it?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: What's this drive? And then what am I sacrificing. I
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: thought it was so important when I was younger to
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: make money and just to be my and that's so
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: much driven by money. It's like, what's what can I accomplish?
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: How what can we build? What can we do? Or
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: what can I see? What can I travel and do
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: or whatever. So I was so focused on that, and
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I realized that in order to try, when your focus
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: is so money driven, you don't realize that you give
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: up time. I just realized I was giving up so
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: much precious time. And then the older I got, I'm like,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: it's not about money. More. I want my time back.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: And that was really the decision that came back to
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: me is my oldest son and his wife had a baby,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, am I going to be available scrampler?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: And I spend too much time at work. It's easy
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: for us to fall in that because at work, we
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: get instant results. If I work this much harder, especially
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: as an owner, I work this much harder, the company
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: makes this much more money. And it's so easy to
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: start working nights and weekends because you almost get addicted
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: to this success into oh wow, you've done this, and
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: everyone's telling you how great it is. No one's really
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: telling you that when you're spending time with your ten
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: year old throwing a football, you're not getting that thing.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: It's not until that ten year old is twenty six
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: year old years old, as my oldest son is, and
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: they call you and want to hang out. That's the win.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: And so it's hard for us to realize how much
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: better that is than money. And so the older I got,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I just want my time back, and I said,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: how can I do that? I love the outdoor industry
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and I've been out of it for a while, so
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: that's what kind of led to us building these trucks
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and purposely not scaling it into a large business. And
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I tell my wife weekly, at least, do not let
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: me grow this, do not let me blow this up,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: because it's so easy to get addicted to that again
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: because people love our trucks. Everyone wants them. Let's build more,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Let's build more. No, it's the time I want back.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, I love being back in
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the outdoor industry, in a business that can be profitable,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: and also just doing it. Some co works with us
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: and so to mentor him. And then I brought in
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: a partner, Casey, who taking care of my fleet of
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: these marketing vehicles that were Unimogues and Volvos and pins Gowers,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and it's like he's done so much for me, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I think, how can I want to bring him as
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: a partner. That same other kind of thing with business
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: is I see people do partnerships because they seems like
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: less risk, and partnerships can be really bad. To me.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: The only time a partnership works is when one in
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: one equals more than two. You've discovered that recently. It
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: sounds like with you merging is there's no way I
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: could do adrenaline industries and build these trucks without Casey,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and I knew he would be so much more motive.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: He never asked for ownership, and I'm like, I want
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: case he's a partner because I will be so much
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: more successful with him. But sometimes business owners they're so alike.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, let's just share the risk and partner,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: But the business is an't need better. So to me,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: partnerships only work if the two or three or four
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: of you end up making You're so much more successful
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: together than you are individually, So that's you.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: It's definitely the truth with x Overland and Clay and Rachelle.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: They had built such a successful business and in areas
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that we were not really that present, like in video
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and these big engagements with the OEMs, and then we
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: were successful in areas that they weren't. So together. Yeah,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: it's definitely one plus one equals three, four, five, six.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And their team is also really exceptional in areas that
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: we were weak. So I'm excited already to see the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: momentum that's come just from having a really big team
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: where everybody's got a lot of skill, like a very
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: deep well of experience, So to me, that's really fun.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But you talk about the time thing. I think it's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: one of the best quotes from the Dali Lama. I said,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a man will spend all of his time to gain money,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and then he has to spend all of his money
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to gain back his health. Or he'll spend all of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: his health to gain money, and then he'll spend all
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: of his money to get back his health. And how
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: many times have you and I see that? Seeing that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: in the men that are in our lives, or the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: people that are in our lives that have just pursued
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: material success at the expense of their time and their
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: health and their families, and then they spend all of
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it again just to try to get a little piece
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of it back. And I know that it has been
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the case of my own life. It's difficult, and I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: try to be really careful around when I give advice
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: on this stuff, because you and I have what's called
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: survivorship bias. Like you and I made it to the summit.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: You sold your business. I've sold my business, and I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: look back and I'm like, if I had changed anything
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: when I have made it to the summit, I don't know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: so it's hard for me. I do realize that I
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: gave up a lot. I gave up a lot of
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: my health, and I gave up a lot of my
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: time to get to that. And then you start to wonder,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: could I have been a little more mindful that I
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: have made some better choices that still allowed me to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: get to the summit. Maybe it would have taken a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: little bit longer, or maybe it would have been a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: different path. But it's certainly important, I think, for people
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to think about what the cost is.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also to just help protect people's emotional health.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: If someone's caught in that trap right now, don't have regrets,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: don't go back, just be better now, go forward and
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, you could beat yourself up so bad
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: with regrets and things.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Like that, But then I do that. I beat myself
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: up because again, for me, it was never about money.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Was always about accomplishing something or pushing myself and that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I was that way from my first memories. I was
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: just always driven to one more sack on the football team,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: or one more trip, or one more tree or one
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: more article or whatever. Yeah, and yeah, very it just
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it was an internal fire that I had a hard
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: time directing in any other direction other than towards progress
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: from in my career.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: But also you able to be in a career that
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: not many people are more passionate about than you. So
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that's the other thing. When you like how blessed and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: everyone knows you do, and it makes it easy and
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: believable because it's just you love it. There's no doubt
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: you love what you do.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, never wake I've never woken up and been like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go to work today. Yeah, my
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: eyes wake up and I'm like, let's go. It's so great,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: let's go for sure. But it is interesting trying to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: find that strike that balance and maybe we pivot a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: little bit towards you know, that idea of a summit
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you have. You've worked for decades to build your business.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: You had a successful exit from your business. What some
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of the things that you found helped you make that
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: transition in as healthy of a way as possible. Was
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it the fact that you had adrenaline as a little
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: bit of a new challenge, but it wasn't over overcoming
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: or two months? What did you feel? How did you
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: make that transition yourself?
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: That's a good it's a good question that I wasn't
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: looking to sell. So I had to disaster clean up
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: business with OFT in the Rocky Mountain region, and I
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: never thought I would sell. I'd gotten to I realized
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: that some of my general managers and vice presidents were
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: far better than I was, so I purposely transitioned more
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: into a mentor role to get out of their way.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And that ended up being really lucky because there was
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of interest in our business because of our locations,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: on our culture and everything was great, and so there
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: was probably about ten companies that wanted to purchase ours
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and they'd been after me for ten years or so,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and I just like, no, this is I love it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: But then it as it got as I turned into
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: more of a mentor role. Then we started the Adrenaline
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Industries because I wanted to give that uptunfer Casey. And
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: plus it was selfish that we would build a truck
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: for just personal use. It was never like, oh, this
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: is I'm going to turn this into a company. It
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: was kind of built it for personal use, and then
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, the next one,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: we changed this and this is so much better. And
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: then you would sell that one I'm like, oh, it
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: made a little bit of money, and so then it
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: was in the next one. And then also I'm like,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I think we're pretty good at this. I think Casey's
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: pretty good at this. I'm I'm like, Casey's pretty good
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: at it, so let's do it. And that was all
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: at the same time where I just started also realizing
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: as I consulted for other restoration companies, and I'd see
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: these people, men and women that just get burned out
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: and then they badmouth the industry, they badmouth their job,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and also and then then their whole team is bad
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: mouthing it. They all hate it. I'm like, if I
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: ever get that way, I need to get out. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I could see myself start to lose the passion, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, the worst thing I can do for my
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: team is for me to lose the passion. So I
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: need to give them the opportunity to sell. So my
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: five key employees, the vice presidents, is up there. They ended.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I gave them equity in the parent company that bought us,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: and so now they all have significant shares that hopefully
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: turns into a great retirement for them. So it was
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: better for me and better for them. And I wanted
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to make sure I protected them, So all that kind
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: of came in. It was just this feeling like it's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the time, and it was literally overnight. My wife was
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: actually in Africa on a humanitarian trip with one of
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: our kids, and she would FaceTime me at night and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I said, I just Sadie, I think I want to
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: sell a RS and she said it was kind of
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and I told her why and luckily my whole life,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: go for it. Like my wife, I don't know why
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: she trusts me, but she is. There's no way I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: could have There's no way with most people that I
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: could that maybe I would have married, would let me
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: take the risks that she did. And she just trusts
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: me good or bad. She's amazing, and she said go
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: for it. And then it was just foot on the
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: get like okay. So I called up those ten companies
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: had shown interest, just to make sure we're that I
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: knew there was one in particular that I knew had
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the best culture that matched with ours, and I told
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: them from the start, I said, I'm going to sell
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to you, but I'm having a few others give us
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: offers just to keep you honest, to make sure the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: problem was it was in around and I also involved
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: these five employees in that decision as well.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: So that way, they like who should we sell to,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and they all we all chose the same company.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And it sounds like you were surrounded by a village,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Like you had the support of your wife and your family.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: You had a great executive team that was running the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: business as well or better than you could have. You
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: picked the right people.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: And they're crushing it now, like it's been two and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a half years and some of the officers are doing
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: double the sales. So I just had to get out
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: of their way.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah, and of course congratulations is due.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I know how much time and energy you put into that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You and I have had great conversations around your business,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and it's cool to see where you are now with
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: your family and you get to do a lot of
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: these things that bring you joy back into the outdoor
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: industry again, you get to have some fun with that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So we're going to pivot the conversation a little bit
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: towards cars, because of course this is an overlanding podcast
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and I love talking about cars.
• 28:20
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• 28:33
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  Speaker 4: months ago. Warner has become known for supporting travelers in
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  Speaker 4: to the community through sponsoring events, rebel rally teams, vehicle training,
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• 29:22
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• 29:51
  Speaker 1: But I also thought it was such a unique opportunity
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: for people to hear about if you do invest in
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: something you're really great at, even if it's not overland,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: it gives you that opportunity to have an exit that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: will allow you to travel. So I think that can
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: be a really meaningful and effective way to see the world,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: is to build a business that you're really great at
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and have that exit or transition, you know how, your
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: team run it for you, and then off you go.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yavon Shnard's another great example that built an incredible business
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and now he goes and fly fishes all over the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: world whereever he wants to do.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And if I remember right, he motivated employees by
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: giving stock and all this to his employees. So it
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: was like Black Diamond that they were a sponsor of
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: mine years ago, the climbing company, and it's owned by
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the employees. Yeah and yeah, a lot of those really
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: took it seriously. Is like I'm going to share the success,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: and they really did.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it makes such a difference there's a couple
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: of cars behind you here, so tell me about the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the black one, because we talked about
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: making it to the summit, and you had a car
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: in mind that you wanted to build for yourself. Is
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a gift to yourself when you
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: had that exit. Let's talk about that black car, because
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it's cool.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: That was. I love Mercedes, and it mainly became because
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: of Unimogs. I probably owned twelve to fifteen Unimogs in
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the last twenty years, and it made me just a
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Mercedes fan. It makes no sense like some people that
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: are like so hardcore Ram or Ford or whatever. I
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: have this Mercedes thing, but they I don't think they
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: make these really fast cars, but I but they look boring.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And so I had this crazy idea of taking a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: C sixty three naturally aspirated, which so it's a twenty
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: fourteen when the last year's they beat big V eight.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I think it produces just under five hundred horsepower from
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: the factory. But then I wanted an old body on it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: So this car we took a nineteen fifty nine Ponton.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I just think it's the weirdest, coolest body where it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: all round and big hips on it and stuff. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: then we added some fiberglass, big wide body on it,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and so that car it looks like a nineteen fifty
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: nine car, but we it's modified up to six hundred
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: horse power and it's got a coil over suspension and
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: things all on it. That's like custom. So it's really
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a race car, and it's anyway. I just wanted something
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: different my whole life, I've been different, wanted something different.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: So that's my little kind of just fun cruiser round.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It's cool. You open up the door. You open up
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the door of a nineteen fifties sedan and you look
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: on the inside and it's a you know, twenty fifteen,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: twenty whatever the year is car on the inside.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: It is it. It drives that way. And then we
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: took that car and then and increased its performance anyway.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the inside, it's the same seats that came
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: out of these red leather nice seats out of the
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, I believe is what that is the C
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: sixty three AMG and and it's dumb. I you're actualized,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Oh what's my reward? I need to do something. And
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: so that was the build to a kind of like
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to try and just celebrate the success. We did a
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: big trip as a family and stuff too, but there's
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: just some things like, Okay, I want my time back
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: with that time. What are some things that would be
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: pretty fun?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you should have fun. And everybody's got
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: a different version of fun. You've heard the podcast that
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I do with Matt, and Matt's got his own versions
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of fun. Like for me, it was recently I went
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: and picked up that old Ford pickup that was just
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the one that I remember as a kid. That was
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: my attachment to it was all those early memories of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: driving with my mom to the beach in southern California
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and she was shifting this old for I remembered these
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: moments like as if they were yesterday. And so to
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: find an old Ford pickup that was just like the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: one my mom and dad owned, and to be able
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to fly my dad out to LA and pick it
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: up and go around together. It's that connection to cars
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: that I think is so fun. And it that thing
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: that you got here, and we'll put some photos of
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: it here in the podcast because it's it is rad
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: belongs in a Batman film. That thing is, and when
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: it fires up, it's like, oh, yeah, I get it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I totally did it, totally. It was a big motor there.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: But the worst day, like you're in trouble because you
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: teased us all on social media, sold my company, I
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: got my midle, I'm gonna go buy the whole world's singing.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Scott's going to buy some red Italian something or other,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden boom and it was just like,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: totally you too. Of course he's gonna do that. Of
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: course Scott would. And then it's like the guilt of Okay,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I go build up some stupid Mercedes. He goes and
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: buys an old pickup truck.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna confess it to you, which
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: means I'm confessing it to the world. But the next
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: car that I've been looking for, and it's a Mercedes,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I just think that they're so neat. It's a three
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: hundred CD, so it's a coup. It's a Mercedes Sedan Coop.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I guess it wouldn't be a sedan. It's a Mercedes
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Coop okay. And they had that Om six oh six
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: turbodiesel in him. So a two door coop with the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: turbo diesel. They were like a mid eighty late eighties
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: car and they're just so neat, and I've seen them
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: all over the world. It's one of the Chris Scott,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: who's someone that I admire so much in the overland industry.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: He used to drive these old forty d's and three
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: hundred d's all over Africa. Like too, weel drive Sedan's
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: because you blend in entirely with the local population. That's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: what they're right. All the taxis are like an old
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Mercedes like that. So I've been I have been on
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the hunt for a three hundred CD a turbod soeul
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: coup that Mercedes made in like the mid eighties.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. That's and you'll need to give me.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: A three day head start if we were to ever race.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I also, like, I've never really wanted like the crazy supercars.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: One is they depreciate like that. So most everything you've
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: you'll see that I've had. It's more, can it hold
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: its valt as long as you bought it and it's
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: not got major problems, it should always be worth similar
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: to what you paid. A lot of them just a
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: few years they actually have gotten more valuable, but I
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: love something that has some soul to it, and so
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I haven't. And also, like you go buy a brand
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: new Ferrari or something that's built for the track, I'm
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: not close to any sort of a track. And so
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: if I drive it the way it's built to be driven,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna end up in jail, That's right. And so
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I kind of an older car that has that's not
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: necessarily a crazy fast it just as it's thrilling. I
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: love a manual transmission, just the more points you're doing,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the one that just feels a little bit raw. And yeah,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: so most of what I've bought and stuff like that
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: is more of like what makes me kind of giggle
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: near the speed limit.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: You've got like one of the ones in your shop
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: right now. It's this old g Wagon soft top cabriole
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: at g Wag Mean that thing is cool.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it showed up. So what traded me for one
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: of our cabin chassis old military trucks? And and so
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I came back. My son's been in the hospital, but
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I and so I came hints this little souvenir here.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: But I came back this weekend and jumped in it
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: and it's gutless and it's amazing. It's amazing. And so
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: then I come back and I've got coal and we've
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: got we have a mechanic here that specializes in like
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: these unique cars. We have flewhim in from LA and
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: when he's going to lunch from just take what you want.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: He's taking out Mercedes. He's like, it's the slowest thing
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I've ever driven, but it's the most fun thing I've
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: ever driven. He's driven lamp Is. He crazy high end
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: cars because he specialized in working on those. And he's
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: like that that this little wolf. It's like there's so
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: much sould to that little thing, totally barely over one
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: hundred horse or something like that horse. And it's awesome.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: And it will still go if you needed to go
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: into town, it will go sixty. Yeah, it's happier at
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: fifty five, but it goes fifty five. But yet when
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: you're just tooling around town and it's like there's these
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: huge holes between gears because there's no it's something. There's
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: some soul to that car that really makes it fun
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to drive.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: It's all mechanical, old school, and they'll and they if
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you take care of it, a car that'll run forever. Yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: they really, the Mercedes in that era were just incredible reliability. Yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: they're definitely. So you've got of your fleet excluding the
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: one that you built. Is that your reward for selling
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: your business? Which one is your face? Do you think?
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Without question? It's I've got a newer Unimogue that I said.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I've owned twelve to fifteen of them, and everyone you're like, oh,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: this one smells and sounds like a tractor and it's
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: exhausting to drive, but it some Mogs have so many
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: gears and the portal axles and there's just something magical.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: It's been an ever driven a Unimogue. They're just like,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: there's something I can't explain. It's just and so I
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: was over over the course of years, I've able to
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: like sell one, an upgrade and upgrade, and I finally
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I have a four door it's called a Doka Unimogue
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: that has a top speed fast than it's mechanically safe
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: to drive, but it it will go nearly one hundred
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: miles an hour because it's gearing, which is unheard of.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Because the Unimog's and Merceade they had the auto bond
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. You're heavy. Even though it's like this
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: unlimited to speed on it for heavy trucks, I think
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: it's one hundred kilometers an hour somewhere in there. So
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: most of these trucks you bring over their top speeds
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: in the fifties and so for this one to be
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: geared that way, and it's got probably three times the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: horsepower that most do it as air conditioning, it's double
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: sound dead and.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I drove it yesterday.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you drove it. It's still the unimog. It still
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: has all the fun factors. But it's also like my
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: wife and I two weeks ago drove it all the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: way to Moab. I think that's six or seven hours,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: going seventy to eighty miles an hour the whole way,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and it's so powerful it doesn't slow down on grades.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: We go the way there, we're with buddies that have
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars modified jeeps and we
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: wipe the floor with them, yep, and then we drive
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: it all the way home.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: And so it's a unicorn. That's the car. I can't
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: imagine I would ever sell that, And yes, financially, I
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: just needed to. But that's the one that's my one.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yesterday when I drove it, You're like, Scott,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: you got to put it in. You got to it
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: has it looks like it has about eighteen transfer cases.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: You had me shift one transfer case in and then
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the next one in, and then there's this C classification
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: set of gears in the manual transmission. So I was
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: in like C one extra double low transfer case in
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the direct drive and you said, okay, now let out
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the clutch and I was like, all right, what's going
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: on here? And he's like, no, you got to open
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the door to see the tire turning, Like you can't
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: feel that the I don't.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Know it's moving.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Huh Yeah, I mean it would. What do you think
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: it would take a minute for the tire to do
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: one full revolution? Maybe longer.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, at least at least that much.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: So I believe that that first gear, that lowest crawl
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: ratio because this says this unimog has forty eight years
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: because it as a splitters web on the shifter, I
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: think it's four hundred and fifty to one. I believe
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: like that. I believe like a new Rubicon is it
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: one hundred one if it has a manual? Yeah, okay,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: so it's over four times reduced from that, so it is.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: It is so low. But that's why they're able to
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: like literally like they're no like pull a train, because
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: you could let that clutch out and let it just
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: needs that otherwise it would stall and if it was
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: two gear too high, so it was you don't know.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: They're just there and it looks great and even the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: color choice and everything. It's a neat looking vehicle. That
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: huge flatbed back there, I think you'd probably fit six
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: motorcycles on that, you think if you wanted to. So
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about travel. So you've traveled
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: around the world as a mountain climber, as a multi
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: sport athlete. What are some of your favorite places that
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you've experienced. What are some crazy stories that you could
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: shown your own journeys.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I think I have nine lives I've had near death
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: on and sometimes it's a canyon or it's a mountain
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: that shouldn't necessarily be throughout technically. One of my scariest
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: moments was on Mountain Moran, which is near Grant the
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Grand Teton in Wyoming and I have this thing called
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a skillet glacier, which is a sheet of eyes. It
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: gets pretty steep at the top, not vertical, but steep
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: enough you need mountain double mountain axes and stuff. And
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: so we had a really hot summer where we're climbing
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: it and the sun came up and was blade cooking
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: that the skillet of this panhandle of that, and it
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: started to release rocks because I had less snow than
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: it normally had. And so you're climbing up this glacier,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: this cool art that goes up towards the top, and
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, these boulders start releasing and they're
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: hitting like every fifty feet and then tumbling and they're
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: coming down at you. And anyway, one time I'm here
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: with I had a mountain axe and then an ice axe,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: and it's coming and you're sitting there waiting like because
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: it's krunal where that it created. The that's really steep
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: and it's coming down. And anyway, last moment I switched
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: flip around and to avoid a big rock and a
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: littler rock like this hit my rip and broke my
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: wrist right here. Wow, and it but it was like
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: it was scary to go down because we were so
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: close to the summit and so I was trying to
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: grab purchase with that axe with a broken wrist.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Was miserable.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: That was one I thought I was dead. I we
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: got trapped in ice in a slot canyon. We did
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: a slot cane in the winter and an ice dam
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: created and this what would be an easier slot canyon.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: You got to get permits for Buckskin gold Shprie Canyon
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: and anyway, that was a near death where it was enough.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I was hosting the outdoor radio show at a time
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and we had Global Star was one of our sponsors,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: so I would host the show anyway. So we had
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: a satellite phone. It was so calling and just having
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: someone to come in helicopters out of there because we
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: were in ice up to our neck, ice water and
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. In January, I thought we were done.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Then the best thing we did is that we didn't
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: call for help and we actually hiked back out I
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: believe it's sixteen miles or something back out and it
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: saved our legs. My friend Kevin ended up at the
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: University of tap burn unit because frostbites like a burn.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: He had no feeling his legs were numb and stuff.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: And my shins because all those layers of ice that
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: we were trying to get through, so there'd be like
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: a half inch layer of ice that was hit as
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: you're breaking it. So my shins I came out, my
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: shins are all hamburgered up. So that's fun I've had,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: just I've had lots of those experience. There's one I
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: were climbing Atacongue's in South America. I was leading the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: team there to climb, and you're on the mountain.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Several beautiful mountain, so pretty. I've only seen it from
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: a long distance, but.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: To drive over from from Chile, Argentina, probably going to Mendonza,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: which is a great little town. That's where i'd get
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: it permits. But anyway, we were there and I and
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that year when we climb, that early two thousands, and
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I think they had six climbers pass away that year
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: on that mountain, and two of them were just wrapped
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: in a tarp because you don't have enough energy to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: get yourself barely get yourself up and down this mountain.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And so you can see why you just can't pick
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: up a body and take it down. But there was
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: the reality to my oldest son, Cole, was about two
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: years old. My wife was pregnant with our second son, Riker.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: She was six months pregnant. So I didn't win Husband
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: of the Year that year, leaving for a month long
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: trip while my wife six months pregnant and I was
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: just there. And most of the climbing I've done it's
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: like one day or three days, and it's gas on
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: those big mountains, you have to climatize. I started to
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: get really bored because it's like you climb, go, drop
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: off a bag, come down, hang out a day or
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: two the okay, get to a certain area, hang out,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: two days, body climatized, and then you're doing it over
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: again and again. We had a camera crew, some kind
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: of boss a little bit where it said, hey, do
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: this and do that, and I'm on the radio calling
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: in doing radio updates and stuff, and I just started
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: looking like, again, it goes back that good better best.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Climbing mountains was good. It wasn't the best thing for
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: me to be doing. My family was the best thing
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: for me to be doing. And that's when I turned
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: to gas off and just said I can still do
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: some outdoor stuff. I don't need to be risking my
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: life at this level. I love these boys and my
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: wife too much and they need it. They were more
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: they were the best thing in my life, and climbing
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: was good, but not the best thing, and so I
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: needed to dial it back. And that's kind of that
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: moment where I came back off of that and pivoted
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: into the disaster clean up business that I did in
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and then I still did outdoor
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: stuff and I still and I want to do it
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: with my boys. At the end of the day, you're
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: looking at it and going if this kills me or
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: hurts me or does something like my goal is to
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: do this with my sons, and I need to protect
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: myself so that I can do that. And so that's
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I just had that feeling on that mountain, and especially
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: when you're walking past dead bodies, im really real.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: So it takes a lot of courage to climb a
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: mountain like at kun Clogwo. But it also I think
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it takes a little bit more courage than that to
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: know when to stop yes and put other people first.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: So that takes that can be hard for people to do,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to take their eye off what they see as the
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: prize or always thought was the pride and actually go
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: towards the thing you really need in your life. Yeah,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that's a challenging thing to.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Do, and I'm glad I did it because it opened
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: other doors or to build a host outdoor radio show
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: with such a great opportunity. But the reason why they
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: asked me to do is because of my experience in
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: the outdoors. Sure, and yeah, it opened up a bunch
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: of doors. I just feel so blessed, Like my family
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: is so great. They love me, they love me. What
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: greater thing you need? Yeah, it's like as goofy as
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I am. They love me and I love that and
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: that's where I find my joy. And luckily they all
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: love the outdoors. I've got three sons and a daughter
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: and they love the outdoors. Yeah, and it's just it's
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: just that's so great that I'm so blessed that my
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: kids also love that have the same hobbies and passions
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: that I do.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Just like looking at your pins gower that you guys
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: built for ski ones. You built a pins gower just
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to do backcountry skims, just.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: To drink it to the family and the ski gear
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: and just do hot laps. On the backside out of bounds.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. That's amazing. So we're
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about something that's a little bit fun. So
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you in the hot seat here. So
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: last night you talked about and I think you're right.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: You talked about there's nothing more. There's no easier choice
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: than buying a Rubicon. There's no easier choice than buying
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: a nine to eleven Portie. There's no easier choice than
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: buying a BMWGS. And I think you're right. But like
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: all of these things are, they don't have that funk factor.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: They don't have that little bit of quirkiness that brings
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: a smile to your face even when the old g
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: wagon is only going twenty five miles an hour on
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the highway. They're all like these exceptional machines, and they
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: are the choice that a lot of people make. So now,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: if it's not a BMWGS for you, then what is it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were joking last night, and I've never met
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: your co host, Matt. Matt. I'm like, it's probably good
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: because he sounds like him and I would be bad
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: examples to each other, Yes, each other. We'd both be
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: broke as could be, because oh, you need to this
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: in this car, in this car, but I think he
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: loves Porsches and does I don't get it. And here,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna offend everybody because it's like I don't
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: like bmwgs's, I don't like Portion ninet eleven's, and I
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: don't like g rubicons and and this, and they're like, Okay,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: this guy's everyone's just tuned out of the podcast right now.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: This guy's always talking about and here's my reason why
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: they're too good. Yeah, I feel like all three of
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: those machines make a beginner and intermediate. So a beginner
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: can jump in a Rubicon on thirty sevens with lockers
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: and do about anything in my app and get themselves
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: in a lot of trouble. But it makes it it's
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: almost too easy, and it's unbelievable affordable. A nine eleven's
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: not affordable. It's an unbelievable value because they don't depreciate
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: they're too good. If I needed to, if I wanted
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: to set my personal lap time around a racetrack, I
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: want a nine eleven GT three because they make you better.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: They're so easy, but they don't sound good they don't
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: look good like a seventy thousand dollars boxer. In my opinion,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: to the normal person, that's not a Porsche. Person looks
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: no different than a four hundred and fifty thousand dollars
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: GT three RS. To the normal person, it's like that's
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: a Porsche. They don't understand the difference. They look the same.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: There's and they don't have any soul. And then at
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: BMW I is telling you that boy boys and I
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: have gone to Europe and we always rent now to
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: tell you how good they are. I always rent a
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: BMWGS because when I'm tired, I'm the one that's on.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I'm the old guy. If I'm on the bike all day,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: it makes you a better rider. It's easier. They're so comfortable,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: they're so comfortable they're bound, and so I'll switch my
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I'll switch one of my boys and jump on a
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: really sporty bike. At Dukati or something, we always rent
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: one fun one, one crazy one, and I am I'm
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: leaving them. I'm leaving them two towns behind. I'm on
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: this Dukati. The sounds that fight you, you think you're
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: gonna die every turn, and you get to there and
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna eat a sandwich and have a
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: coke and I stop, put the kickstand down, and there's
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: my boy on the BMW.
• 50:24
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• 50:27
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• 50:31
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• 50:35
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• 51:44
  Speaker 2: And then vice versa. We switch and he thinks he's
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: left me two towns behind. That BMW just sounds like
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: a sewing machine. It's so good, but it doesn't make
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: me giggle. Yeah, and so most of the vehicles I buy,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: so for off roading out of there have a unilog.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I like shifting through all the gears. I like the purche,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I got to choose lines I gotta do. And then
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: for the racetrack, I like something that's like manual and
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: loud and screams, and.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: So talk about what would be your that's your track car? Now,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: the one in front of the Mercedes. What is that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: one called?
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: That's a TVR Sagris Okay, and I think it's the
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: only one in the US, but it's it would be
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: it be England's version of a Dodge Viper. So I've
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: heard once that Dodge Vipers are like the most expensive
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: car to ensure because they'll kill you because they're just
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: the same thing. No, track to control, no airbags, no abs,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: it's just a race car that's barely street legal and
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of vipers are built that way too, so
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: it's kind of just a British viper. But it's it
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: looks it's like when you down shift the barking and
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know how there's just and it's right hand drive,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: so you're shifting left handed, so like the more, it's
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: just it really really is a car that I can
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: go drive the speed limit and it makes me laugh
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: the whole time, where some of these really high end
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: cars you drive the speed limit that you're so under
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: their performance and it's automatics and stuff. So anyway, that
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: that's my funny thing of like why I don't like
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: those three?
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: So what would be your motorcycle of choice then if
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: you're not going to get the GS.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: So I've got a twenty sixteen Dukatti Multi Strata in Dua.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I'm six three and when I realized that we had
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: the similar bike but not the Enduro. So the Enduro
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: has a taller suspension which puts me higher off the ground,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: so it made it so that it was as comfortable
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: for me as the BMW. Now it doesn't make any sense.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: A BMW is like seven or eight out of ten
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: on every the Ducati's like a five or four out
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: of ten at everything other than sound, and.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: It looks pretty good.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the sound and the way it fights you.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: It's in a good way. And so I bought the Dukati.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: It makes no sense because I just wanted that ten
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: out of ten with those two things. So yeah, so
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I have a Ducatti multi Strata. We have a bunch
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: of motogoozies. You own one of those two. There's something
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: magical about a motogoozy, the way they sound, the way
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: they feel. They're not the greatest motorcycle. And as far
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: as if Consumer Reports rated motorcycles, it is probably be
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: bottle of a list. But they also rate jeeps that way.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: That's true, and until you own a jeep realize how
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: good they are and where you can go in them,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: and they're and convertibles and everything else. But from the.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Reason why I had the motogoozy in my office, it
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: was like I had it as like a piece of art.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: There was a couple of years I didn't have time
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: to write it really, so it just sat in my
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: office just looking beautiful.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: And they're great to look at, aren't they? They're so
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: great to look at, Yeah, Mike. But it's also I
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: don't understand why they made why ice cream companies make
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: anything besides Rocky Road, Like that's the best ice Like,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: why are they wasting their time? So I get it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: And luckily, how lucky are we in this time of
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: our lives that there's all these different flavors of ice cream,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: that there's all these cars we can all buy and
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: we can outfit what we want and yeah, so yeah,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: so I have a different taste than most of the world.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's something that puts a smile on your face,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: and it's good to know. It's good to know what
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: you like and not do things because of it. Someone
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: else will think it's cool. It's the thing that you
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: think is cool and puts a smile on your face.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: So for me, like an old Ford pickup or a
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Mercedes three hundred CD is like the thing. Or I
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: was looking at a ten top Samurai the other day,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: which would have been a really bad choice. But you know,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: it's like, these are the quirky little cars that to
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: me make me smile and make me want to drive
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: them around.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something if Samurai's a good example. They're dirt cheap. Yeah,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: they're dirt cheap. Those can be for little money, can
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: be made to off road crazy, Yeah, for little money.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Gots a little tiny motor in them and they just crawl,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: they gear right, and they just flex like crazy. And
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: it is I've been down a moab and so like
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: a Samurai convention of something, I'm like, whoa, yeah, Like
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: they're doing everything that people are doing in a heavily
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: modified jeep.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: So that's right.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: And it's smaller than a side by side. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: we're getting closer to the end of the podcast. This
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: is I think we got to have we got to
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: plan for some other ones, because I think you and
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I could spend the next six hours talking. But let's
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit around building overland vehicles. Because you've
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: built everything from hugs to jew wagons to your current
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: rams and Fords. One of the things that you guys
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: are doing that's really interesting to me is these five
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: point fifty I would call them a super truck. I
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: really are, like you think like a TRX, which is
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: a super or a raptor, which is also a super truck.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: But what you're building is something that is it's like
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: a multi tool at the highest levels of capability. So
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: you guys, tell me about these f five to fifty's
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: that you're building with these trade beds, and what inspired
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: you to build something like that because they're so unique.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, first off, anyone that buys one of our
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: trucks just financially stupid. They don't make any financial sense.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: But if you want just but we all of us,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: if you have a little bit of money, it might
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: be fly fishing that you spend dumb money on, or
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: it's just hunting, or everyone has a hobby that they
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: if your kids are into lacrosse, your bro there's like
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: all these hobbies we have. But but what we were
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: building on the Ford and Ram fifty five hundred series
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: f five fifties, and we were using like liquid spring
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: and designing, working with our own bumpers, and then doing
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: a semi central tire inflation, and we put all these
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: things on these trucks and they rowed so good. And
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: so I've always usually a one ton or a three
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: quarter ton to tow the boat or to haul our
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: snow bikes. We have snow motorcycles things like that, or
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: dirt bikes, and a halftime just wasn't Sometimes they're rated
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: to toe, but they don't feel safe towing. Even if
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: it's only seven pounds a half ton and they're rated
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: for twelve. You just know it's not the idea. And
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: so and then you always are talking about payload on
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I realized, I'm like, I think we can make these
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: the same suspension of stuff we're putting on the huge
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: on the big with the campers and everything fully integrated.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Like I think we could build a pickup and then
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: give and then and ended up with a ten thousand
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: pounds payload when we're done. And so we used a
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: lot of the same systems and technology and liquid springs
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: and you'll find out today. So you can call me
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: a liar from pretty much excited. But we've been able
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: to make them drive similar to a three. So we're
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: taking like an F five to fifty. We got forty
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: three inch tires on it. But the brakes, the axles,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: everything about them are over built compared to a three
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: quarter ton or even or one ton. Everything about them's bigger.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: They're typically made to be dump trucks and stuff like that.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Now we've but the problem is if you've ever driven
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: one with the stock suspension, if you're not hauling twenty
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: five thousand pounds and you got five thousand pounds in
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the back of it's going to beach here. It's brutal.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: And so we've made these things empty to drive similar
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: with no weight in them, and just one of our
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: utility beds with no weight in them to be able
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: to handle and drive like a three quarter ton. Another
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: magical thing is because it's a cabin chassis, you're turning radius.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Your front tires turn out a much sharper angle than
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: a three quarter ton or one ton or even a
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: half ton. So we've got these trucks that just look insane.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: They're massive and you can daily drive them and they've
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: been And then we build this utility bed because you're
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: taking the Duley's so you have a wide rear end
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: on these trucks. We're putting super singles keeping the wide
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: rear end. But now we're able to use and put
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: these utility boxes, and we try and make them cool looking.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: That's important to me, Casey my partner, make sure they work.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I want to make sure they look cool. But now
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: you still have in the between these huge box you
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: have these huge storage boxes below the frame. We're utilizing
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: every square in You could load so much stuff in
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: these trucks, but then you still have over four feet
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: in between the boxes above. As a pickup and you
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: literally remove four screws that they're put in airline track.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: You can pull these boxes off. Two people could pull
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: them off in ten minutes. And now you have a flatbed.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: So people that want to put two snowmobiles on for
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: the winter.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Or a side by side up there, or you want
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: to Yeah, you could put a like an Overland Explorer
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Vehicles camper in the back of it. You could there.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: What I really thought was neat is and I started
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: thinking about is like that would be the one. You
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: could own one car and do everything with it, Like
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: you go take it to Moab and wheel it go.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: You could put a camper on the back of it.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: You could drive it around the world, but you could
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: take it to the cars and coffee and everybody'd be
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: losing their mind.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I love them. I think they really are if you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: ad to one car that you wanted to do it all,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: and we integrate the Gooseeneck hitches and then toe thirty
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: four thousand pounds and have ten thousand pounds in the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: back of it. Like you could put a one ton
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: truck if it would fit in the back of our
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: truck and still be way under payload. And so yeah,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: they're great that way, and people that do want we
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: don't want to build sliding campers, but a lot of
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: people don't necessarily want to commit to one of our
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: full trucks. They're only gonna use three times a year
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: for camping and have to sit there. So now they
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: can buy a pickup from us, and there's dozens of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: sliding camper manufactured. They can choose which one they want,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: and now they can put that in and out. And
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: payload's always a problem because people are putting those massive
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: campers in one ton trucks and you've seen videos of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: a ram what broke the frame, Like they're just not
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: built to carry that kind of what. And now payload
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: is not an issue.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: A truck to have ten thousand pounds of payload, and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: even with your tray bed and all those boxes and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: everything else like that, you still probably have six seven,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: eight thousand pounds of payload you could use if you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're nineteen five, okay, got and so you're still
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: you know, nearly around that ten thousand pounds of payload.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Even as it sits with all the stuff. That's incredible.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, like you, but usually you sacrifice when it's
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: not haul and all that. You don't want to drive
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: it because it's so brutal. This liquid spring suspension, it's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: you know, it's an active suspension, so it's it reads,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: it has steering input, and you can change from comfort
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: to normal to sport. So you go up a canyon
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: with a camper in the back of it and in
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  Speaker 2: sport mode almost eliminate the body roll on that.
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  Speaker 1: Just that. The other day when I was driving one
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  Speaker 1: of your overland trucks with liquid springs on it, I
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  Speaker 1: went into sport mode and it was it handled, still
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  Speaker 1: a big vehicle, but it handled much better than I
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  Speaker 1: expected because of that good Yeah, absolutely, jud This has
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  Speaker 1: been so fun man. We're gonna have the plan for
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  Speaker 1: more podcasts in the future because we could do the
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  Speaker 1: deep dive into any one of those subjects. But what
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  Speaker 1: are some things that you share with your team, that
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  Speaker 1: you share with people you travel with, you share with
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  Speaker 1: your kids. What are a couple of things that you've
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  Speaker 1: learned and so far in this journey of life that
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  Speaker 1: you'd like to share with the audience.
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  Speaker 2: The first thing that comes to mind is we've adopted
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  Speaker 2: as our family motto. But when my kids were young,
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  Speaker 2: I would encourage them if you want to be successful
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  Speaker 2: in life, not just financially, you just want to be
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  Speaker 2: successful success to my opinion, it's not money. I said,
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  Speaker 2: make everyone around you feel important, and so that we've
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  Speaker 2: adopted that as our family And if you ask any
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  Speaker 2: of my kids, what's your family motto, it's make everyone
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  Speaker 2: around you feel important. And that's how we've tried raising
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  Speaker 2: our kids. And that's I feel like it's not forced either.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, if you meet somebody new, or you
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  Speaker 2: meet as a kid, you meet an adult, how do
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  Speaker 2: you make them feel important? Ask them about themselves, don't
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  Speaker 2: talk about yourself, ask them about them and do stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And in business it's usually people want to do business
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  Speaker 2: with people they like. And if you help people achieve
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  Speaker 2: their goals, you make them feel important, you do things.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the one thing that's our family motto is
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  Speaker 2: a little bit we guys make other people feel important
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  Speaker 2: and in doing so, you find joy in that if
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  Speaker 2: you don't realize that selfishly, it's actually making you feel important.
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  Speaker 2: You're more liked, you get along with people you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it makes your life better when you are serving
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  Speaker 2: others and making them feel better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, extending a little bit of kindness into the world,
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  Speaker 1: and the world needs more of that. So that's a
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  Speaker 1: really beautiful piece of advice. Jud And I really appreciate
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  Speaker 1: your time today. Thanks for being on the podcast. Has
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  Speaker 1: been fun. Yeah, and we appreciate you all listening, and
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  Speaker 1: just remember to be a little bit kinder, maybe make
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  Speaker 1: others feel a little more important at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, and we'll talk to you next time.