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Patriots Draft Prospect Review: Final Thoughts Before Draft Kicks Off, Best Fits, Trade Possibilities · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The New England Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: We are all back together again here at Jillette Stadium,
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  Speaker 2: and this time for our Draft podcast review. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to actually recap the entire process. We've given you in
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  Speaker 2: depth looks at every position, and we've talked about a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different players. But what I thought we could
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  Speaker 2: do here to sort of summarize and give everybody if
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  Speaker 2: you if you're only gonna listen to one podcast and
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  Speaker 2: you want to get all the information, this would be
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  Speaker 2: the one to download. Right, you know, this is this
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  Speaker 2: this is your one stop shop. And I guess I'll
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  Speaker 2: start it off. I have Mike you So, Evan Lazar
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  Speaker 2: and Matis Bauman. Uh So, I want to get your
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts first and foremost on what you think the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots big needs are hit position wise heading into this draft.
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  Speaker 2: And let's go around. Mike.
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  Speaker 3: You started off, Yeah, I'll start with offensive tackle. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's nobody loves it. It's not sexy. But
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  Speaker 3: I think if they took an offensive tackle at fourteen,
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  Speaker 3: we'd all be like, yeah, all right, we get it.
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  Speaker 3: It's not the sexiest need, and it's probably not the
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  Speaker 3: one that's going to immediately change the offense like people want.
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  Speaker 4: But it's the kind of selection good teams make. So
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  Speaker 4: we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I guess we'll eat our vegetables if we get to
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  Speaker 3: that point. But I think tackles definitely a need long term, especially.
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  Speaker 2: Evan you agree at this point.
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  Speaker 5: I honestly don't really care too much about the position
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  Speaker 5: as long as it's a premium position. Tackle, receiver, corner,
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  Speaker 5: edge rusher. Let's not go anymore any more. Running backs,
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  Speaker 5: no guards, right, none, safety.
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  Speaker 2: None of that.
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  Speaker 5: But when I look at the landscape now, especially with
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  Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets officially, and if you're
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots, you just need to stack talent together on
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  Speaker 5: this roster, I think getting too caught up in need
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  Speaker 5: and too caught up and filling holes on your depth
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  Speaker 5: chart and things like that, we're we might not be
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  Speaker 5: there yet with this.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get ahead of yourself. I have to don't ruin
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  Speaker 2: all my questions all of one, but I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: know what you thought the biggest positional need was not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily what you think the pasots are going to do
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  Speaker 2: at fourteen And I agree with your premise. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think they have enough holes that they don't have to
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  Speaker 2: be pigeonholed into one position. But I would agree with Mike.
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  Speaker 2: That's my view as tackle is probably the biggest. You
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  Speaker 2: can make an argument for the other spots that Evan's
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  Speaker 2: at cornerback and you know, edge wide receiver. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think you can make an argument for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of different spots, but you know, tease where you fall.
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  Speaker 6: I'll give the people what they want. I want a
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  Speaker 6: cornerback or a wide receiver. Yeah, the two, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Another one who can't follow directions, that is what I want.
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  Speaker 2: I ask a simple question, Mike Circle gets a square.
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  Speaker 2: You're don't want to answer the question. But what I do.
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  Speaker 2: I do agree with you guys, and I do tackle
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  Speaker 2: like I understand you know, and no one more so
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  Speaker 2: than me is going to sit there and say I
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  Speaker 2: you know, I got to right like an analysis piece
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  Speaker 2: on a tackle like yeah, you know whatever. But at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, you have Trent Brown, who is unreliable
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  Speaker 2: to start with, but also entering the final year of
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  Speaker 2: his deal. You picked up a couple of guys, one
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  Speaker 2: at the end of his career, one who you think,
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  Speaker 2: in Calvin Anderson, might be able to turn into something potentially,
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  Speaker 2: but you really don't have a set starter at the
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  Speaker 2: right tackle position. So I do think it's probably time
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  Speaker 2: that you addressed that and add some depth there, but
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily saying you have to do it at fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: So let's go where everyone was going, guys, and sort
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  Speaker 2: of talk about how we think this board might unfold.
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  Speaker 2: And I do think in terms of tackle, there was
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  Speaker 2: a minor element of that Aaron Rodgers deal that could
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  Speaker 2: benefit the Patriots, and that I think the Jets were
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  Speaker 2: a tackle team. They were in need of a tackle
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  Speaker 2: and now I don't know if they would have taken one.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've seen mock drafts with guys all over
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  Speaker 2: the place, but I do think the Jets were a
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  Speaker 2: team that if a Broderick Jones or Paris Johnson or
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  Speaker 2: Scarronsky one of those guys, they would have probably thought
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  Speaker 2: long and hard. Based on what I've seen a little
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  Speaker 2: bit with Green Bay, it looks like they're not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: looking for a tackle, maybe one of the wide receivers,
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  Speaker 2: so that could benefit the Patriots if they want to do,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that offensive line road.
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  Speaker 3: At the very least, I just like not having the
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  Speaker 3: Jets pick right before the Patriots, because then it's something
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  Speaker 3: that you know, you're always going to have to be
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  Speaker 3: have it right in your face. But I think at
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  Speaker 3: that point it's it's probably if I had to put
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  Speaker 3: money down on like a roulette board, I would put
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  Speaker 3: it on tackle, cornerback, and edge for that fourteenth overall pick,
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  Speaker 3: with edge being a little bit of the dark horse
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  Speaker 3: to see maybe somebody falls. I know they've been kicking
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  Speaker 3: the tires on all those guys, but I think those
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  Speaker 3: are the positions that make sense, and there's a select few.
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  Speaker 3: There's maybe what like five guys that you feel like
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  Speaker 3: are worth it at fourteen that kind of fill it,
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  Speaker 3: and otherwise then I feel like we get into the
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  Speaker 3: twenty to forty range that like, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: good guys in there that I think, could you know,
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  Speaker 3: fill some of those needs that they have.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to ask you something a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more pointed with regard to that, just to change it
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  Speaker 2: up a little bit from Mike's answer is the notion
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  Speaker 2: that there aren't, you know, an abundance of blue chip guys.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we all agree, you know, like I
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  Speaker 2: don't follow this stuff as closely as the guys that
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  Speaker 2: get paid to do it, but I think we all
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  Speaker 2: agree that there's probably not more than say, six, eight,
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  Speaker 2: ten max first round kind of bonafide guys. Absolutely, If
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  Speaker 2: that's the case, do you like the idea of moving
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  Speaker 2: down or do you like the idea of ensuring that
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  Speaker 2: you get one of the better players.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I just think that that's why I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 5: not backing myself into a corner on a position, because
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  Speaker 5: if you go into the draft, where like I think
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  Speaker 5: they went into the draft last year and said, we're
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  Speaker 5: coming out with a guard either either way, whatever way
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  Speaker 5: it goes, we're coming out with the guard. I think
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  Speaker 5: if you do that at tackle, which would probably be
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  Speaker 5: the most realistic position to do that at as well,
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  Speaker 5: then you might get into a spot where you have
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  Speaker 5: a B plus pick, right like, you have a plus
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  Speaker 5: starter like a Darnell Wright or at Anton Harrison or
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  Speaker 5: somebody along those lines who's gonna be a good player
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  Speaker 5: for you. But I think the Patriots got enough good players, right,
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  Speaker 5: They need players that are elite players. And that's why
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  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily look at this board the way that
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  Speaker 5: it's shaping up right now and say that you absolutely
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  Speaker 5: need to take this position at this spot. And your
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  Speaker 5: point about the Blue Chippers is a good one. Where
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  Speaker 5: if you're sitting there at fourteen, and let's see my
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  Speaker 5: mock draft this morning, Tyree Wilson starts to slide a
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  Speaker 5: little bit because I think if he doesn't go to
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  Speaker 5: Houston at two, I can't really find a great place
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  Speaker 5: to put him in the top ten if it's not
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  Speaker 5: to the Texans. The Seahawks are always a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of a wild card team. To their board is kind
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  Speaker 5: of like the Patriots. It beats to its own drums.
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  Speaker 5: So you never really know what Seattle is thinking either.
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  Speaker 5: But you start to think about some of the players that, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: who's the most realistic guys that might slide into the
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  Speaker 5: early part of the teams, right, And I think Tyree
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  Speaker 5: Wilson's one of them. I think Christian Gonzales is one
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  Speaker 5: of them. It really seems like Devin Witherspoon is gonna
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  Speaker 5: be the top corner in this draft. If you're the
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  Speaker 5: Patriots and you're sitting there at fourteen, and it's not
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  Speaker 5: trading up for a quarterback, so you're not giving up
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  Speaker 5: a king's ransom to trade up, trading up to eleven
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  Speaker 5: to leap frog a team like Houston that might have
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  Speaker 5: some similar players on their board as you, and maybe
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  Speaker 5: to leap frog a team like Green Bay that typically
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  Speaker 5: doesn't draft receivers in the first round, so maybe they're
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  Speaker 5: looking at an edge position or something like that too.
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  Speaker 5: I don't hate it like I think that that's something
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  Speaker 5: that you realistically have to come away with because again,
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  Speaker 5: if you trade it back into the twenties, I'm confident
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  Speaker 5: that you're gonna get a solid, maybe above average to
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  Speaker 5: plus starter. But how many above average starters does one
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  Speaker 5: team need? You know, you need some guys that are
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  Speaker 5: gonna be bus drivers, not guys that are sitting in
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  Speaker 5: the back right. So I think at some point you
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  Speaker 5: have to think about that with this draft, that there
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  Speaker 5: really isn't a ton of first round quote unquote talents.
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of teams are going to have
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  Speaker 5: fewer than fifteen of those in this draft, So.
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  Speaker 2: Tis I'll switch it up a little bit to you
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  Speaker 2: like I did with with Evan, and I'll ask you
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  Speaker 2: if you could, like I understand the way the mock
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  Speaker 2: drafts are unfolding, right, you don't know exactly, but if
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  Speaker 2: you had a dream scenario that someone's available at fourteen
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  Speaker 2: to it.
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  Speaker 6: I'm taking Christian. I mean, ideally you don't need to
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  Speaker 6: trade up to get him.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you guys might want to watch All
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  Speaker 2: Access tonight.
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  Speaker 6: Actually I was leaning towards wide receiver, which also I
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  Speaker 6: think it's hilarious Rogers left and there's a good chance
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  Speaker 6: the Packers are finally gonna take a receiver in the
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  Speaker 6: first round.
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  Speaker 2: I saw that on Twitter yesterday about JSN, and I
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  Speaker 2: did laugh to myself. I agree with Evan, that's sort
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  Speaker 2: of an out of character move for the Packers, but
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  Speaker 2: I did absolutely chuckle to myself, Like.
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  Speaker 5: To be fair, they took Christian Watson went thirty fourth overalls.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, so Gonzales would be I think someone
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  Speaker 2: that that, uh, that's one of those dream scenario that
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  Speaker 2: might not necessarily have to be like strictly like your
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  Speaker 2: head's in the clouds. I think there's a there's a
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  Speaker 2: scenario that you can walk yourself through. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: was away for a week, missed a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Evidently Hendon Hooker is now in the first round, right right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I mean is that wrong?
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  Speaker 5: Back into the first Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So what happens if someone says, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: I want to make sure I get him, and they
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  Speaker 2: move up ahead of fourteen yeah, to get Hendon Hooker?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I look at Tennessee, not just because he went
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  Speaker 5: to Tennessee, but a team that I don't know how
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  Speaker 5: you can be sold on that quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Room right now.
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  Speaker 5: And if he's the there's other four quarterbacks go ahead
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  Speaker 5: of them, and they can't trade up into the top
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  Speaker 5: ten to get their guy, then maybe it.
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  Speaker 2: Seems like a be set year in Tennessee. Anyway, So
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  Speaker 2: what's the deal if you have your first round pick
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  Speaker 2: and you can't play for half the year? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I mean you look at the four quarterbacks the Falcons.
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  Speaker 5: It just blows my mind that Atlanta, if there is
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  Speaker 5: a quarterback on the board and that those top four
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  Speaker 5: guys that the Falcons are gonna say, you know what,
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  Speaker 5: we got Desmond Ridder, We're all set at quarterback. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I feel like that has to be a spot where
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  Speaker 5: they might just be sitting there and C. J. Stroud
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  Speaker 5: might just fall in their laps. And I just don't
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  Speaker 5: know how as that front office you just say no,
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  Speaker 5: we're good, like we have what ritter.
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  Speaker 6: You gotta wonder if some of these teams are just
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  Speaker 6: waiting for next year's quarterback class.
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  Speaker 2: Two.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you got who Caleb Williams and then
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  Speaker 6: that kid.
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  Speaker 2: For that's it.
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  Speaker 5: I always think that's that's very dicey.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, it's we've seen it happen so
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  Speaker 2: many times that the guy you identified the year before
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  Speaker 2: it turns out to be somewhat disappointing. Now, these guys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Young and Stroud weren't disappointing. They were the
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  Speaker 2: guys going into the season. They were the guys coming
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  Speaker 2: out of the season. But I think we've seen it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think Sam Darnold was somewhat disappointing this
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  Speaker 2: last year at USC. Yeah, you know, it didn't really
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  Speaker 2: hurt his dress hockey. I think he still went third overall.
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  Speaker 2: But I think sometimes I agree with Evan that that
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  Speaker 2: that can be dicey. But I do think if you
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  Speaker 2: get like four quarterbacks and then possibly a fifth and
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  Speaker 2: now the Green Bay thing to me throws a you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they were interested in one of
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  Speaker 2: the guys that you're interested, but I think that's a
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  Speaker 2: different team ahead of you. Now you never know how
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  Speaker 2: these are gonna unfold. And then you know the kid
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  Speaker 2: from Georgia, Jailen cut where does he go? Right? Right?
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna take that? Does he? You know you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: Seattle earlier, I could see that being a pick for I.
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  Speaker 5: Think Seattle and Philly are the two teams in the
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  Speaker 5: top ten that I see really strong front offices, good programs.
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  Speaker 5: You can't if you're a team like the Raiders, for instance,
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  Speaker 5: you can't take a chance on Jalen Carter because your
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  Speaker 5: job is on the line.
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  Speaker 2: They've got many of those first rounders right in high
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  Speaker 2: draft picks in recent years. They can't afford another one.
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  Speaker 5: So you have to have a stable organization in the
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  Speaker 5: front office that feels confident in their job security. I
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  Speaker 5: think to take a guy like Jalen Carter, but I
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  Speaker 5: still think he goes in the top ten. And you
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  Speaker 5: look at the locks in the top ten, I think
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  Speaker 5: the four quarterbacks are locked in the top ten some
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  Speaker 5: way or another. Whether teams trade up into the top ten,
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  Speaker 5: or they all go to teams that are already there.
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, and then I think Devin Witherspoon
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  Speaker 5: has basically cemented himself as a top ten pick. So
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  Speaker 5: that's seven guys and the other three spots, like I
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  Speaker 5: said earlier, is a complete wild card.
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  Speaker 2: I have a few more questions they're gonna ask. I
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  Speaker 2: want to get all three of your thoughts, but I'll
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  Speaker 2: start off with a very simple one. Who is the
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  Speaker 2: best player in this class?
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Carter right, I don't know. I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 3: we'll have to see. On the quarterbacks, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: some size issues. There's a lot to like about Bryce Young, though.
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  Speaker 3: Is it going to translate. I don't think it's crazy
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  Speaker 3: to say that it will, but I mean I would
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  Speaker 3: I would probably go with one of the defensive linemen.
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  Speaker 3: Between Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, those two guys, I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just an instant impact. They land in the
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  Speaker 3: right place, especially when you talk about going to Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 3: I mean plugging that player into that front, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know where he doesn't even I mean they've had
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  Speaker 3: Fletcher Cox there forever. Now you add another kind of disruptive,
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  Speaker 3: just problem play. I think those those guys especially, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you say, you talk about Carter with the issues that
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  Speaker 3: he's had, it might end up better for him. He's
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  Speaker 3: gonna end up on a better team now instead of
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  Speaker 3: going in the top three, you know, if he goes
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  Speaker 3: six to seven somewhere in there, Uh, he's gonna go
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  Speaker 3: into a great situation and really have a chance to flourish.
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  Speaker 2: I'd probably go with those guys.
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  Speaker 5: Jon Robinson, Yeah, that'd be my pick.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's Will Anderson or b Jon Robinson. The
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  Speaker 6: only reason it wouldn't be is I think it's stupid
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  Speaker 6: to take a running back in the first round.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying who I would want to take.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, who do you think is the best player
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  Speaker 2: in the draft? I think you can make a strong
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  Speaker 2: argument for Robinson. I was waiting for Matist to come
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  Speaker 2: up with like a Division two quarter, you know, who
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  Speaker 2: has all the medical.
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  Speaker 5: Nick Saldevari all dominion.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I like to sort of look at
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  Speaker 2: it that way sometimes and then it's it's amazing, like
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  Speaker 2: how wildly you can miss on some of those guys, Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I think so and so is gonna be the best
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  Speaker 2: player in the class, and so and so is out
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  Speaker 2: of the league in three years.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I agree with Mike that it is probably Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 5: I was just giving a different name that wasn't Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 5: But I think the one concern that you have with
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  Speaker 5: Gillen Carter is the motor. He doesn't always play at
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  Speaker 5: full tilt, but when he does play at full tilty,
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  Speaker 5: is the most unstoppable thing in the draft.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna give you this. Just one will give
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  Speaker 2: you a lot of options. But if there's one guy,
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  Speaker 2: and this is two different ways, I'm going to ask this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you first one guy that you
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  Speaker 2: think really strongly will end the weekend as a Patriots draft.
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  Speaker 2: Pick one guy to identify? Who would it be?
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  Speaker 4: Mike the whole and the whole weekend? Who this is
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  Speaker 4: a all right?
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  Speaker 2: Moving on, we'll go to Evan and what Mike Finck
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  Speaker 2: in the whole weekend? Any like, just one guy that
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  Speaker 2: you saw like the Patriots are going to draft, I'll
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  Speaker 2: do one. You want me to do one?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, I'll say Tyler Steam.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say Tyler you know, just a date.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: It's my guy, that's my guy. You know, there's there's
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: there's quite a few. I mean it could maybe say
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: Charlie Jones. This is you know kind of that that
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: day two Jones Patriot. You know that that slot receiver.
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: But he doesn't he have Patriots should take this guy,
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: but don't like you know, like he's too fast, like
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: like Hunter Renfro style right like where it's just is
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: like this is a slam dunk Patriot and then he
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: doesn't end up being.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe one of the punters too. I throw in there
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: is like just potential like one of those.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: Like I just I feel like they're definitely gonna take
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: a punter this year. That that seems just you know,
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: fifth round.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you have to lock something in, I think
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: Michael Turk, the punter from Oklahoma is as much as
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: when it comes to the draft, we can't lock anything in.
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: But you have a need a punter. You know that
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: Bill's gonna care about that. And you also have a
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: guy that you spent an entire week with working at
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: the Shrine Bowl and was impressive in Vegas at the
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: Shrine Bowl with the Patriots. I don't know, I mean,
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know how you don't come away from the
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: draft and needing a punter, but you don't take the
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: punter you worked with for a week. That that doesn't
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: really seem to line.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I would just sign one, you know. I'm sure there's
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: one down the stree at the Why and Foxborow who
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: can do it.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: But anyway he'll take they'll take them in the fifth round.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: They'll trade up or something like that and get a
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: fifth round pick, because that's what they do.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: And then he'll actually put the foot on the ball
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: in the first game and everybody, just.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Like Jake Bailey turned out. But Dan Bruger actually had
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: him as like a seventh round pick, priority free agent
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: and the beasts. So maybe he is somebody that they
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: actually wait on and take in the sixth or seventh
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: round instead of reaching on a punter in the fact.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: To be clear, like you know, as much as my
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: snark comes through, like if you take him in the
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: seventh round just to make sure you get them, that's
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. But like the whole trading up
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: in the fourth round or the fifth round, like I
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: think you can find players still in the middle of
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: the draft. I don't know Washington is a guy I
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: keep coming back to for the Patriots. I think the
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: position makes a lot of sense. Tight end. I think
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: the size and the skill set I think has to
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: be intriguing. I think one of those tight ends total,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: But pick Washington because I don't want to be wishy.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, like the Laporta, uh yeah, which it soon
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: make craft, you know, like all those kinds of guys
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I think they may. Yeah, I think all those guys
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: make sense, but I want to pick one and pick Washington.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I know he's kind of been rising a little bit,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: so maybe that requires some some aggressiveness.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I just think they have to hit this tight end
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: class given I mean what we know about them, They've
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: always been a huge tight end team. I mean we
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: can we will see what BILLYO thinks about, you know,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the tight ends and what you know, what he did
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: with Gronk and Hernandez, if that's something that still intrigues him.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: But I'm a little bit more on just like the
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: guys who maybe could develop into that, like every down,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: why tight end can play in line, can go out,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: can make you know, stretch the seam a little bit.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: That that's the guy you're looking for but I would
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: still say too, I know, Hunter Henry and and and
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: and gets SICKI you are only on one year deals.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Like I could see Hunter Henry sticking around to I
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: don't know, if it's like they're gonna wash it next year,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean I could just see it, like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: you know, I kind of I would.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Love to take you got enough good players, right, but
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: you know, but maybe he's home run.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: But maybe next year he's the two you know, and
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: then this kid that we dropped this year develops and
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: you're like, all right, well, let's keep Hunter Henry around
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: as almost like what's his face that they had in
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: twenty ten, where they still kept the veteran tight end
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: who dropped.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: The ball on the twenty against the Jets. You know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about a Crumpler.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, kind of that.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's the Corps of Hunter Henry yet,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: but I Thinkhunter Henry is gonna have a little bit
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: of a bount.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: If you saw what Algie Crumpler had to do to
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: get in his chair after every game, really he would
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: have been a little bit more sympathetic algym that poor
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: guy gave he shouldn't even be on the field give
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: everything he had to get out there every game tea.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: So I'll start with you with this next one two
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: part question. Do they pick a quarterback? And if so,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: which one would you like to see the Patriots pick.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: I don't think they pick a quarterback.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, so moving on?
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean, do you obt me just spice
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: it up.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: No, tell me why you don't think they'll take a quarter.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: I think he's just like you got a ride with Mac,
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: like I don't know, like if it doesn't work out,
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: see next year's class.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: But I mean, well, I'm not yeah, necessarily saying you're
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: gonna take Anthony Richardson at fourteen or anything.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: But I mean no, I just I don't think. I
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: don't think the needs there. I think there are other
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: needs that need to be addressed and Matt can get
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: you through the season and hopefully he plays like he
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: does a rookie year.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Ye, too late to turn back down.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Come on, Evan, I say yes, I think they do
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: take a quarterback. I still would not be totally blown
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: away if they take Will Levis, if he's there at fourteen.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I just developing opinion that I missed last week. Well,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: he came in for the visit. I know that I
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: did see that, and.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: I just look at his skill I think his skill
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: sets a little bit misunderstood. I think a lot of
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: people look at him and see Josh Allen or Justin Herbert.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: I see a much a player that's much better in
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: structure than out of structure, where those two guys I
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: think thrive on shots down the field and in their
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: athletic ability and their arm talent. I think the best
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: part about Levis is his quick game ability, is the
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: quick release and the ability to get the football out.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I think he's somebody that it has a long way
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: to go. But I just don't know if this regime
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: is in on Mac anymore. I just can't convince myself
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: that they like the kid. It is everything that they
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: it's hard to everything that they've pointed to.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I think cooler heads prevail. I don't think that they
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: end up doing that, but I see a guy like
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: dtr in day three, maybe that it just makes too
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: much sense. At least you get somebody in here that
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: has a little bit more mobility and athletic upside than
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: the two guys you have in the room and maybe
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: if it doesn't work out with Mac, maybe maybe maybe
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: he turns into like a Jalen Hurts type developmental player.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: So I picked him as my quarterback on All Access.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: In the game that'll be Wednesday night, So depending on
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: when you're listening to this podcast, that'll be the night
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: before the draft. But I just felt like, if you're
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: going to take a developmental guy, doesn't it need to
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: be one of those kind of guys with a completely
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: different kind of skills that than what you have. Yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and some.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Really intriguing traits, you know, just not the whole package yet.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: But so like, do you feel he'll take a quarterback?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I do, and I would I would just stamp everything
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: and said, I mean we've been talking about DTR since,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: you know, the beginning of this whole process, and I
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: mean I think that for everything you guys said, it
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: just makes sense to round out the room.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I'm always a fan of taking quarterbacks.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's good business in general. You never know
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: when you're going to take one in the fourth round.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Who creates value for you.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I do would love to and this isn't the forum
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: for it, but I'd love to go down the wormhole
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: of like what does it look like if they took
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: will Levis? Like what you know when we get out
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: the camp? You know, like what's the plan? Like all
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: those things. I think those are fun things to speculate.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: But but I'm with you guys.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: If they take will Levis, I think Mac gets moved
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: on Friday.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I would have to agree. I agree, And all of
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: a sudden we have a very busy weekend, much busier
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: than we thought. I just with dtr though.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: I do think that there's a lot to be said
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: for for how he's developed at UCLA under Chip Kelly,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: who we know as a friend of Belichick and the past.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Sure that he is now compared to the passer that
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: he was when he got to you CLA a couple
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: of years ago.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Is night and day.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: So I do think there's a lot of upside there.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: And until you're sold on your quarterback, how do you
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: not keep taking quarterbacks? And no one's saying they have
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: to take one in the first round, But until you're
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: stamped and approved that you got your guy, I don't
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: know how you give up on that position.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: All right, So I guess we'll, you know, sort of
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: round third here and bring this home, and I'll just
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: ask you the very simple uh one offs here tis
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I'll start with you, who are the Patriots taken at fourteen? Well?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: What do they do at fourteen? I don't want to
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: lead the witness trade up? Trade? What do you think
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: you want them to do?
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: Or what do I think they do?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Give me both what you want them to do and
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: what you think they will do.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: I want them to trade up, okay, And you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: since I've been here, they've traded back, They've stood their
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: ground and then traded back again. I think this is
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: the year they trade up. And I'm not saying they
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: go up to like top ten, but you know, maybe
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: go to number eleven and they get Christian Gunzals or
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: Joy Porter.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think they will do?
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: Stay where they are?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: I think they stay where they are too, because just
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: off of their track record going from fourteen to twenty
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: six or something like that, I think that they're going
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: to see a pretty big talent drop off there in
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: those picks. But I think that it will be, unfortunately,
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: someone that we don't really love at the fourteenth overall pick,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: maybe like a Deontay Banks or Darnell Wright. Those two
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: guys stand out to me as Patriot type players that
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: they took the corner from Maryland, Like that's like the
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: reach kind of element to it that maybe even take
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: them over Joey Porter Junior. And that's gonna get everybody
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: all riled up. But did you ask what I want
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: them to do? Or can I Can I tell you
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: what I want them to do? Because absolutely two part us.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: At this point, I think that there's a lot to
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: be said for overall morale within the organization and improving
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: the overall just in that locker room, no pun intended.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: And I think the only guy that I see in
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: this draft that does that is Jackson Smith and Jigba
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: and maybe Zay Flowers, but I think that you are
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: reaching for Zay Flowers a little bit at fourteen. But
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: I think one of those two guys is the only
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: one that we get out to training camp, they get
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: back from the off season and people they you can
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: start to see something here.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: You can start there's some buzz.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Bill Bryan back in the building now he has
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: some new toys to play with along with you know
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: the guys that have already been here. So what I
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: think they'll do is tires on a car, right, Like,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: they'll take a tackle or at the corner that nobody
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: wants them to take. But what I hope they do
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: is take one of these two receivers. Really, jsn or
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Zay Flowers are the only two guys that I really
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: feel like are our surefire would be first rounders pretty
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: much any year. I think once you get into the
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Addison's and the Quinton Johnston's year, you're going down a
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: little bit. But that's where I'm at.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Mike, Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree with a lot
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: of what he said. I mean, I think that what
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: they're probably going to do is probably a tackle. I mean,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: it's just you look at their history a draft. It's
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: defensive line, it's offensive line, it's you know, occasional linebackers,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: but that's usually where they focus on. So if you're
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: looking at the history, it's probably that what would I
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: like them to do? I hear what he's saying with
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: wide receiver. I would be excited about one of those
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: cornerbacks though, And I think, you know, if it was Gonzales,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I think that that's a piece that would generate some
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: buzz because I think the people that really watch know that,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: like that's a piece that they need.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Evan talks about you need blue chip players.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Where do you need the blue chip players the most
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: totally agree on wide receiver. Not quite a match, but
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: like if you could get Gonzales at fourteen, somebody like that,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I think is a blue chip cornerback, big need.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have anything really different than any of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you guys. You know. I think that they will sit
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: tight and I think they will end up taking the tackle,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: and I don't think that's a bad move. Like I
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: think that that's a big time need and I think
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that has the probably the best chance to have a
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: quality player there is that position. What I want them
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to do is what would Matisse said, I would want
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I want them to at least be prepared to be
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: aggressive and move up a couple of spots if they
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: see Gonzales. Now, hopefully they think about Gonzales the way
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the four of us evidently do. I think he is
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: that kind of like long, athletic guy on the outside
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: that you could plug in for ten years and say
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I have a pretty good player out there. And I
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: think it's been a little bit since they had that guy.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: You know, like you know when Gilmore, you know, was
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: here a couple of years now, you know. So I
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: think that that's really immeasurable. And you want to you
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: want to talk about this defense being the difference between
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: being you know, the fourth ranked defense and the fourth
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: best defense in football. You know, like there's a little
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: bit of a difference there. I think if you can
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: improve the athleticism in your secondary, you can go from
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a team that's highly rated on defense to a team
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: that's very good on defense. Now, who knows if he works,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: but I would like to see them be prepared to
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: be aggressive if someone's slipping, to go up and get
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: at them.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: I think that's so built to think that the answer
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: to Aaron Rodgers coming to the division and the Bill
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: is to continue to build on defense. Like I just
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: can't imagine he's going to look at this and say, oh, well,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: the best way for us to compete with Buffalo is
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: to outscore them. He's not gonna think that. N No,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: He's gonna think edge corner. Let's build through the defense,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: and let's build that side of the ball up so
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: we can win a game against Buffalo twenty four to
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: twenty one. He doesn't want to play Buffalo forty one
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: thirty eight. He doesn't see them having a chance, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: I can't necessarily disagree with that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: So we won't have to wait very much longer. That's
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: going to wrap up our draft podcast reviews here at
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium, and this weekend we'll get into it. So
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: we will be with you live when you're looking live
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: for the first round. We will be on for the
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: entirety of the first round on Thursday night, so you
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: want to, you know, check out and listen to everything
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that Mike and Evan have to say. They've done a
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: tremendous amount of research on this draft, so we will
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: have you. We will have opinions. I'm not telling you
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: they're right, wrong, or indifferent, but we'll have opinions on
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the players that are getting picked and on who the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Patriots select, and we'll give you some instant analysis. We
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: will be with you Thursday night, like I said, for
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the entirety of the first round. Will be with you
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Friday night. I believe from Friday seven to ten, seven
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: to ten, That's what I was going to guess. And
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Somebody involved in the Saturday show likes
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to change the hours all the time. So tis what
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: are we doing Saturday? It looks like two to three,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: two three, only one hour? Sure it's not two to
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: four sorry four two to four yeah, two to four
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: is what we've sort of locked into the last couple
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: of Saturdays. So if you want to figure out what
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: the Patriots are doing and what you think, how do
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you think the Patriots?
• 28:46
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• 28:47
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• 28:49
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