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GR COROLLA TO GRMN – TOYOTA’S REAL GAME CHANGER? · Performance Car Ownership with Gary

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Unless Toyota fixed something they're just not telling us about.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you should seriously consider the GRMN if Toyota confirmed in writing.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Toyota just dropped the GRMN Corolla, the most hardcore version of the GR Corolla they've ever built.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: And as a three-year owner, I've been watching the announcement very carefully.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: So here's my verdict right up front.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not upgrading my 2023 GR Corolla Circuit Edition.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think you should either, unless Toyota fixed something they're just not telling us about.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I doubt that they did.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: More on that one a little bit later.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now keep in mind, I don't say that because the GRMN isn't impressive.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: It genuinely is.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's absolutely gorgeous.
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  SPEAKER_00: I say it because I've spent three years and 20,000 miles learning exactly what this platform can and can't do.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: And those lessons, well, you know what?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: They matter a lot here.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: If you haven't seen my review of my 2023 Circuit Edition, I'll add a link to that in the description down below.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to cover the full head-to-head specs, the real financial case, and the one critical problem Toyota stayed completely silent on.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: Stay with me, because that last part is what this whole decision actually hinges on.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you're new here, I post honest, number-driven performance car ownership reviews.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: No PR cars, no paid reviews.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: Hit subscribe and the bell so you don't miss any of those.
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  SPEAKER_00: First, let's be clear about what we're dealing with here, because this isn't a sticker package or, you know, just a trim level.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: GRMN stands for Gazu Racing Meister of the Nerberg Ring.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the same badge that sits on the GRMN YARIS, one of the most respected hot hatches in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: When Toyota puts those four letters on a car, you know what they mean it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now the GRMN Corolla starts with the same G16E GTS engine we already know.
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  SPEAKER_00: That 1.6 liter turbocharged three-cylinder, same 300 horsepower, but Toyota has extracted more torque, up from 273 foot pounds in my 2023 circuit edition to 302 pound feet for North America and 306 pound feet, you know, for the Japanese spec.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how do they find that extra torque?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, interestingly, by applying lessons from their hydrogen-fueled race car program.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's also a new intercool spray system to maintain optimal temperatures under sustained hard driving, but only for that engine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not just peak power, sustained power delivery.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a meaningful difference.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now the GRMN is manual only, no automatic option whatsoever.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Which for me, you know what personally is perfect.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it will matter for some buyers, and we'll talk about that one a little bit later.
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  SPEAKER_00: Weight reduction?
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  SPEAKER_00: So the rear seats are deleted.
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  SPEAKER_00: The same philosophy as with the old Marizo edition, and with the increased use of carbon fiber body panels, there's a total savings of 66 pounds or about 30 kilograms.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a meaningful weight reduction.
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  SPEAKER_00: The aero package is significant.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lightweight carbon fiber hood, carbon fiber front fenders with vented ducts, front side spoilers, and a five-way adjustable rear wing derived directly from that hydrogen race car program.
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  SPEAKER_00: This isn't cosmetic downforce.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is designed for real track use, you know, which we'll talk about a little bit later.
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  SPEAKER_00: The suspension gets new monotube shock absorbers front and rear.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: My 2023 Circuit Edition and all GR Corollas ride on 235-40R18, Michelin Pilot Sport 4 or 5 tires when they're new.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN steps that up to 245-40 ZR18 Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires on forged 10-spoke wheels on an absolutely gorgeous matte bronze finish.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: They're wider, they're stickier, and those wheels carry GR badging, not Toyota.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: Those Cup 2s are fantastic on hot, dry pavement, but give very poor traction on cooler, wetter climates like we have here in Canada.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I replaced the Cup 2s on my Porsche Spider immediately after I purchased the car and would need to do the same for the GRMN as it would be my daily driver.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: Cup twos are not for daily drivers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now inside the rear seat delete is unusual, but in the interest of weight savings, yeah, you know what?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
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  SPEAKER_00: The loss of back seats wouldn't actually concern me much because in three years I've only had one person ever sit in the back.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: Although I do question how much of the 66-pound total weight loss is actually due to the elimination of those back seats versus the carbon fiber body components weight reduction.
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  SPEAKER_00: North America gets semi-bucket sports seats.
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  SPEAKER_00: Japan and Australia get a full bucket driver's seat.
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess because in North America we're generally bigger people, is that why?
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  SPEAKER_00: There's carbon fiber trim on the passenger side of the dashboard and an L U Might red finish on the door trim and the shift knob.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
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  SPEAKER_00: It looks seriously purposeful in that interior and much better than my circuit edition.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: There's an El Catara steering wheel, which, although it looks very cool when new, it needs a lot more maintenance than that smooth leather in my circuit edition.
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  SPEAKER_00: One more interior detail that's worth noting.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a serialized number plate above the shifter, three digits, which you know strongly suggests this will be a very limited production run.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Truer hasn't confirmed the numbers, but the implication is clear, right, by those three digits.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if it'll be a thousand units worldwide, or is it going to be a thousand units per market?
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's put the two cars side by side and talk real numbers.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about the engine.
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  SPEAKER_00: So both cars use the same G16E GTS 1.6 liter turbo, three-cylinder, you know, it's the same 300 horsepower, the GRMN as 29 pound feet of torque, up to 302 from the 273 in my car.
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  SPEAKER_00: And more of it is available in the mid-range, which matters when you're on the road than you know, just what the peak numbers are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now my car weighs in at roughly 3,285 pounds.
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  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN with that rear seat delete and all those carbon fiber body panels is approximately 66 pounds lighter.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's not enormous, but it's genuine weight reduction in a light car to begin with.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's definitely somewhat meaningful.
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  SPEAKER_00: When it comes to the transmission, both are manual only.
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  SPEAKER_00: My circuit edition and the GRMN are both six-speed manuals.
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  SPEAKER_00: My circuit edition has no adjustable arrow whatsoever.
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  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN has a five-way adjustable rear wing in addition to extra hood ducks, fender vents, side spoilers.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I wonder, are we going to be getting debris flying up through those vents on dirt roads or from slush in the winter when we're daily driving this car?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: When it comes to suspension, my car has the standard GR Corolla setup.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN gets those new monotube shocks front and rear.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: A step up in damper quality, and you know what?
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: They're tuned for the track.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now in my car, I've got the standard El Cantera Sport buckets.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN for North America gets semi-buckets with more lateral support that, judging by the pictures, you know what they do look serious.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you're pushing the car hard on track, that is a genuine improvement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now here's what hasn't changed.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: The same GR4 all-wheel drive system, the same 1.6 liter three-cylinder engine architecture, and as far as we know from Toyota's announcement, they haven't addressed that in elephant in the room.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, the same clutch, the same transfer case, and the same rear differential.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say that again because it's the most important sentence in this video.
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  SPEAKER_00: Toyota's not publicly addressed, the very expensive to replace, and somewhat fragile for track use, clutch, transfer case, or rear differential.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we'll talk about exactly why that matters in just a moment.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's talk money because I know that's what you're here for, right?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: I paid the equivalent of uh forty four thousand two hundred and eighty-nine US dollars for my twenty twenty-three GR Corolla Circuit Edition.
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  SPEAKER_00: After three years and twenty thousand miles, the current market value sits at about 35,000.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's roughly 20% depreciation over three years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Better than I expected, I have to tell you the truth.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the GRMN hasn't been officially priced yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: But as a reference point, the 2026 GR Corolla starts at$41,115 US dollars.
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  SPEAKER_00: The old Marizo edition, which was essentially the GRMN's predecessor, came in at$50,995 US dollars when the base GR Corolla was$37,195.
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  SPEAKER_00: Scale that delta to today's pricing, and you're probably looking at about$65,000 US dollars or higher for the GRMN.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, with that very expensive carbon fiber hood and those fenders, it could be even more.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: So the upgrade cost, the differential between what I get for my current car and what I'd have to pay for the GRMN is probably about$35,000 US dollars, depending on market timing and exactly how Toyota prices this car.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, what have I spent over three years all in?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean everything, depreciation, fuel insurance, maintenance, tires, mods, PPF, you know, the whole thing.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: $13,810 total or about 81 cents per mile, which works out to about$600 a month.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Those are real numbers, not estimates.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it a lot?
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it worth it for me?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: But would adding$35,000 to$40,000 in upgrade costs make me any happier with this platform?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's, you know, that's the real honest question here.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN is also potentially a collector car.
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  SPEAKER_00: Limited production, serialized number plate, last of a kind, the Marizo edition has held its value extremely well.
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  SPEAKER_00: If the GRMN follows the same pattern, the depreciation story could be very favorable.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: But then so is my 2023 GR Corolla Circuit Edition.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Again, limited production, first of its kind.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing: I don't buy cars for resale value.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: If I get great resale value, that's a bonus.
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  SPEAKER_00: I buy cars to drive them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And right now, the question isn't whether the GRMN is a good car.
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  SPEAKER_00: It obviously is, but is it$35,000 better than my circuit edition?
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  SPEAKER_00: Be direct with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because this is the part most reviewers won't tell you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm a PCA Porsche Club of America track instructor.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: I track at Mosport, Canadian Tire Motorsport Park regularly.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: As an instructor, I can track any brand of car I like, but I've never once taken my GR Corolla on track.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I've watched other instructors try it and I've watched what happens.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: The rear differential overheats in under 20 minutes of track time, especially in warm conditions.
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  SPEAKER_00: When that happens, the whole drivetrain goes into limp home mode.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're done for the session until it cools.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe even done for the day.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not just the differential that's a concern for track days.
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  SPEAKER_00: The clutch and the transfer case have also been identified by the GR community as weak points under sustained track use.
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  SPEAKER_00: Without expensive modifications, we're talking replacement costs that can run into numerous thousands of dollars.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Toyota won't cover track-related failures under warranty.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's not speculation, that's just a fact.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, in my two-year review, I mentioned that the Toyota might have addressed this for the 2025 and 2026 models.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: But when Car and Driver tested a GR Corolla for their Lightning Lap 2026 video, again the drivetrain overheated and the car went into limp home mode.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: So the overheating transfer case andor the rear differential problem still exists when these cars are driven on track at speed.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: But here's what we know for certain.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now think about that for a second.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: They've given a cup two tires, they fit monotube shocks.
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  SPEAKER_00: They want you to believe this is the ultimate track weapon.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: But if you take it to the track, run it hard, you're gonna hit the same thermal management wall that almost every GR Corolla owner has already found.
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  SPEAKER_00: Unless Toyota has silently fixed this without telling anyone.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm sure if it had been fixed in the GRMN, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: And here's the thing: I can't take that chance.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Not on a car that's gonna cost me$35,000 on top of my GR Corolla Circuit Edition.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Not on a car where a failed transfer case is a warranty gray area.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Not when I'm already putting real track time in on my Porsche 718 where those concerns absolutely don't exist.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now some people will tell you the fix is simple.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Add an aftermarket rear differential cooler, maybe some upgraded brake pads, and yes, that does definitely uh would help.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: But here's my honest take.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm paying GRMN money for what Toyota is building as the ultimate version of this car with heavy innuendo about track use, I shouldn't need to immediately modify it just to use it the way it was designed to be used.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a small thing, that's a fundamental mismatch between marketing and the reality of ownership.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Now, and I want to be completely fair here because I'm not trying to tear this car down.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN is genuinely impressive for the right use case.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: If you're an enthusiast who drives spirited back roads, canyon carving, weekend mountain routes, the GRMN is absolutely sensational for that.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: The Cup 2 tires on a good road on a warm day, the arrow that actually loads up at speed, that extra mid-range torque and the rework steering, yeah, that'll be great.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's a car that rewards the driver who pushes it on the street and for occasional track days where you're not running consecutive hot laps.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN with an aftermarket differential cooler should be very capable, you know, with limited use.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: And look, I've been living with this engine for almost three years.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: The G16E GTS is genuinely characteral.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds cool, it pulls hard from 4,000 RPM, it rewards the driver who knows how to use it.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN version of that engine with more mid-range torque, yeah, that would be great.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: But when it comes to the engine, this car just needs more power.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Both the Golf R and the Honda Type R have more horsepower and torque and are much faster cars as a result on that racetrack.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're someone who's never going to put a GR Corolla on a circuit and you want the most focused, most special, most driver-centric version of this car for road use, the GRMN does make a compelling case.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: So am I upgrading?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: And here's the honest breakdown of why.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: So number one, the performance delta is smaller than the marketing suggests.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: The same 300 horsepower, seven more pound feet of torque, 26 fewer pounds.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: Those are meaningful improvements, but they're not transformative at the level I need for them to uh for the kind of money that they're actually looking for.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: So number two, the track problem hasn't been announced as being solved, so I'm sure it hasn't.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: I track at most port, I'm a PCA instructor.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: The GR Corolla platform has a known thermal management issue under track conditions that Toyota has never publicly acknowledged.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: The GRMN's announcement didn't address it.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's a deal breaker for me.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Point three, the financial math just doesn't work for me personally.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: $35,000 to upgrade to a car that might need a differential cooler before I can use it at the track it was designed for.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know what?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not just not gonna do that.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: And point four, this is the one that probably surprises uh people the most.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: I genuinely love my car.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: After 20,000 miles, it still puts a smile on my face every single time I drive.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: The supersonic red, the circuit edition spec, the manual transmission, it's exactly what I wanted.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Getting a new car for the sake of just getting a new car when the when the old one still delivers a great experience doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, would I revisit this if Toyota releases a statement or if early GRMN owners confirm the drivetrain issue have been addressed?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: But right now, based on what we know, I'm waiting to see if the rumored four-cylinder 400 horsepower GR Corolla next generation debuts for me to make that trade up.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so let's make this quick and practical for you because I know some of you are genuinely in the market.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: So you should seriously consider the GRMN if you want the most special, most driver-focused version of this platform for road use and for spirited driving.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: You see the collector car angle and you're buying partly with that in mind.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Track days are occasional for you, and you're comfortable adding an aftermarket differential cooler as part of your setup.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: You want a manual-only, limited production hot hatch, a turns head in a way the standard car just absolutely doesn't.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now you should wait or look elsewhere if you plan to run full track sessions on a regular basis, and you don't want to immediately modify a$65,000 plus car.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: You're comparing the GR MN to other track day focused cars in the same price range.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Lightly used Cayman or M2 or GTC GT86, a Civic type R with proper mods, those might make more sense dollar for dollar.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're happy with a standard GR Corolla and just feel the pull of something new.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Resist it.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: What you have is already excellent.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: All right, here's the question I want you to answer in the comments.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean this genuinely.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: I read every single one.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: If Toyota confirmed in writing that the clutch, transfer case, and rear deferential had been fully addressed for track use on the GRMN, would that change your decision?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's the real question here.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: The rest of it, the arrow, the cup twos, the limited production, it's all genuinely exciting.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: But the drivetrain piece is the piece that matters for the people who would actually use the car the way Toyota is marketing it.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me where you land, keep it or upgrade.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: And if you've tracked a GR Corolla yourself, I especially want to hear from you.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: If this video helped you through the decision, go ahead and hit like and subscribe for more honest number driven content.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And if you haven't seen my two year ownership cost breakdown on my GR Corolla, I'll put the link right here.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the foundation for everything I said today, and I'll see you there.