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The Late Debate | 5 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate. Well, good
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  Speaker 1: evening and thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James McPherson with Jo Hildebrand and Lucy Zelich.
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  Speaker 3: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: How are you both? How was your weekend?
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  Speaker 3: Very well and it was fabulous.
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  Speaker 1: Why was it fabulous?
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  Speaker 3: I got to spend time with my beloved family.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: That's why it's all... No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: I thought you were going to say it's because you're
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  Speaker 4: a Roosters supporter. I was going to have to storm
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  Speaker 4: off the set.
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  Speaker 3: Canberra Raiders supporter, even worse.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. That's acceptable. Anything but the Roosters.
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  Speaker 1: Who do you support?
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  Speaker 4: I go for Souths because I've got no mind of
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  Speaker 4: my own.
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  Speaker 1: Is this part of your affection for Elbow? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what? It's actually not. It predates that.
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  Speaker 4: I moved to Sydney in the year 2000 when Souths
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  Speaker 4: were actually kicked out of the comp. And I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to go to the pub with all the sports guys
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  Speaker 4: when I was on the sports desk, but I didn't
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  Speaker 4: know anything about rugby league. Like, zero. I didn't even
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  Speaker 4: know there was such a game as rugby league because
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  Speaker 4: I was from Melbourne. It was all AFL. And so
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  Speaker 4: when they'd say, you know... So who do you follow, mate?
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  Speaker 4: I'd say, oh, Souths. They'd just stop talking, put their
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  Speaker 4: arm around my shoulder and say, oh, sorry, mate. And
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  Speaker 4: then they'd change the subject. Then they got back in
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  Speaker 4: and now I'm lumped with them for life.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough. I'm a Cowboys supporter, Townsville.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's good.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I spent some years in Townsville. I love Townsville.
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  Speaker 1: So I love the footy team.
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  Speaker 3: But shouldn't you be supporting the team where you were born?
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  Speaker 1: I was born in Wagga Wagga.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, well, then what's the closest to you?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I did end up supporting.
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  Speaker 2: North Melbourne, so there you go. All right, let's get
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  Speaker 2: into the program. Here's what's coming up tonight. The founder
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  Speaker 2: of Jim's Mowing says our falling birth.
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  Speaker 1: Rate is a result of too much dopamine.
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  Speaker 2: Wait until you hear his radical plan to prompt more
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  Speaker 2: couples to put their phones down and start populating the country.
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  Speaker 1: What should US authorities do about the.
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  Speaker 2: Death row inmate who's now on life support after surviving
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  Speaker 2: execution by what turned out to be not quite lethal injection?
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  Speaker 2: And the UK Greens have crossed the line, becoming Britain's
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  Speaker 2: first mainstream political party to formally declare Zionism a form
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  Speaker 2: of racism. We'll get into all of that shortly. But first,
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  Speaker 2: we want to show you the new ad from One Nation.
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  Speaker 2: This is part of their Victorian election campaign. The advertisement
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  Speaker 2: has just been released in the last couple of hours.
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  Speaker 1: I believe you're the first people to see it on television.
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  Speaker 1: Here it is. Can you pass the nutritional yeast?
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  Speaker 3: Nathan, what's wrong? You've barely touched your vegan mung beans.
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  Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. Mum, Dad, I have something
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  Speaker 1: to tell you. I'm conservative.
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  Speaker 3: Nathan, me too. I always have been.
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  Speaker 5: I've loved her for 30 years. Oh, thank God.
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  Speaker 4: I voted no.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to be a little girl anymore.
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  Speaker 1: We should defund the ABC. I'm sick of being biased.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be on bail. No more mass migration.
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  Speaker 4: I just want cheap power.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been allowed into the country.
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  Speaker 5: I just wish money went to people on the basis
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  Speaker 5: of need, not identity.
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's been right all along.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah! I love One Nation!
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  Speaker 4: We love Australia!
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, guys? That's a political ad. It's
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  Speaker 1: not bad.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's very good, purely on the basis of
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  Speaker 5: it's going to cut through with the audience. They are
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  Speaker 5: so sick of highly manufactured, curated ads that are just
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  Speaker 5: so stiff and emblematic of the past, quite frankly, and
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  Speaker 5: that's why the major parties are struggling, because Australian voters
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  Speaker 5: don't feel like they have a connection with them anymore.
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  Speaker 5: This connects, it's funny, and it's a way to kind
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  Speaker 5: of make light of everything without having to go as
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  Speaker 5: seriously into all of the policy and facts and everything
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  Speaker 5: like that, which tends to just go over people's heads.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it touches all their key points, doesn't it, Joe?
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  Speaker 2: But it's highly entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny.
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  Speaker 4: I would almost call it a work of genius. It
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  Speaker 4: is extraordinary. It will be incredibly effective. It will spread
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  Speaker 4: like wildfire among their supporters and others. It will jump
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  Speaker 4: the tracks as well because people will think it's so
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  Speaker 4: funny that even if they don't support One Nation, they'll
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  Speaker 4: want to watch it. It will be posted and reposted
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  Speaker 4: and shared online. They will not need to pay a cent.
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  Speaker 4: to air it on television because news networks will pick
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  Speaker 4: it up and run it like we did because it
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  Speaker 4: is just obviously such a potential game changer. The only
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  Speaker 4: possible negative I can think of is that it could
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  Speaker 4: make One Nation too popular. And in Victoria, that would
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  Speaker 4: mean that it leapfrogs ahead of the Coalition. And if
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  Speaker 4: that happens, I think Labor is in a better position
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  Speaker 4: than it would be if the coalition stays ahead of
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  Speaker 4: One Nation and One Nation drops out first in three-cornered
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  Speaker 4: contests and all its votes go to the right before
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  Speaker 4: they go to Labor. How do you see it going, Joe?
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  Speaker 3: Like, if you had to kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean, I think once you go... I mean,
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  Speaker 4: obviously we know that... I mean, I think Labor will
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  Speaker 4: lose the election. There is no question about that. The
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  Speaker 4: question is how bad. Yeah. Some polling that I've heard
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  Speaker 4: of is really, really, really bad, like Anastasia Palaszczuk after
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  Speaker 4: Campbell Newman bad. But of course, she came back after
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  Speaker 4: just one term. But either way, I think Ben Carroll
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  Speaker 4: is doing a good job, but I think it's absolutely
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  Speaker 4: impossible for him to win. And it's just a matter
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  Speaker 4: of saving the furniture. And again, yes, a lot of
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  Speaker 4: blue collar votes have gone from Labor to One Nation.
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  Speaker 4: But I think if you're going to go from Labor
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  Speaker 4: to One Nation, I think you're so angry that I'm
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  Speaker 4: not sure if you go back to Labor without stopping
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  Speaker 4: off at the Liberal or National parties first, which is
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  Speaker 4: why I think that it is what you might call
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  Speaker 4: the sort of never Hansoners, like the never Trumpers in
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  Speaker 4: the Republican Party. It is those people who are still
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  Speaker 4: voting Lib or Nat and will not vote for One
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  Speaker 4: Nation because they see them as too extreme. I think they...
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  Speaker 4: will probably end up voting for another mainstream party before
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  Speaker 4: they vote for One Nation, which is why, and I
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  Speaker 4: think most polls bear this out, I can't remember, but
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  Speaker 4: I think that's why the best prospect for removing the
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  Speaker 4: government is for the Libs go one and to beat
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  Speaker 4: One Nation and therefore to pick up all the One
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  Speaker 4: Nation preferences.
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  Speaker 5: The thing that's interesting, the tagline on the ad, which
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  Speaker 5: has kind of been posted on their captions, was it's
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  Speaker 5: OK to come out as a One Nation voter. Because
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  Speaker 5: what I will say is from speaking to people on
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  Speaker 5: the ground, never in all of my years in, you know,
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  Speaker 5: being engaged in politics or just talking about it, would
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  Speaker 5: ever anyone come up to me on the street and say, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I love Pauline, I'm a One Nation voter. Can I
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  Speaker 5: tell you now, at my son's football on the weekends,
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  Speaker 5: during the week, whatever it is, people are now saying that.
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  Speaker 5: And I've not seen that type of rhetoric before.
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  Speaker 2: We were at a restaurant for lunch today, nice restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: This guy comes over, he's in business, employs.
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  Speaker 1: 30 people thereabouts.
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  Speaker 2: We start chatting and I said, would you mind telling
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  Speaker 2: me which way you're going to vote at the election?
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  Speaker 2: And he... He behaved like it was a stupid question.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, of course, One Nation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I get that a lot too, people. Now,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's because I'm on News 24. People know I'm conservative,
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  Speaker 2: so they're happy to share that.
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  Speaker 1: But do you get feedback, Joe?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know people who voted for One Nation. I
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  Speaker 4: spoke to someone just yesterday. I was at a mate's 50th.
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  Speaker 4: This mate of mine is a lefty, if you like that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's sensible. He worked for the Labor Party previously.
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  Speaker 4: His childhood best mate was saying he was going to
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  Speaker 4: bankroll One Nation. He was going to actually donate to them.
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  Speaker 3: Do you need to get out the defibrillator for your mate?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no. We're all cool. But, again,
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  Speaker 4: it's because, and this is why the loony left does
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  Speaker 4: One Nation such a massive favour when it comes up
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  Speaker 4: with stupid stuff like we saw lampooned in the ad,
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  Speaker 4: because it just gives you all those targets where any
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  Speaker 4: normal person would think, oh, yes, those people are idiots.
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  Speaker 4: That makes no sense. The kid shouldn't be a boy, whatever, whatever, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And then instead of thinking, so I'll just vote for
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  Speaker 4: the Labor Party, I'll vote, One Nation says, oh, no,
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  Speaker 4: if you want to stop all this craziness on this extreme,
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  Speaker 4: you have to come over to us. And it legitimises
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  Speaker 4: them and it gives people permission to say, well, obviously
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  Speaker 4: I think that's stupid, therefore I vote for One Nation.
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  Speaker 4: And there's no longer the stigma attached to that because
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  Speaker 4: it's able to attack something that is clearly... even more
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  Speaker 4: ridiculous than anything you might point.
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  Speaker 2: I think back to when Scott Morrison said, I don't
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  Speaker 2: do the culture wars, and I think that's where the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals lost a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: People who care about the culture.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Victorian One Nation candidate Chris Burson has
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  Speaker 2: suggested sending drug-addicted prisoners to farms to pick fruit and vegetables,
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  Speaker 2: giving them work, discipline and a chance to rehabilitate themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Here he was.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know how much farmers would enjoy it, but
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  Speaker 6: using them to go out because we've got a massive
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  Speaker 6: issue out in the regions with employment. They can't get enough,
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  Speaker 6: so they're trying to get migrants over to do all
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  Speaker 6: the fruit picking and do all this sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 6: We're paying a fortune for these guys to go to
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  Speaker 6: jail to then come out and then recommit offences. If
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  Speaker 6: we manage to have some sort of– look, I'm not
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  Speaker 6: an actual chain gang, but if you have them out
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  Speaker 6: picking fruit, doing whatever, it gets them away from– the
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  Speaker 6: environment that they're in.
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  Speaker 2: Now, he made these comments before he became a One
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  Speaker 2: Nation candidate, but is it common sense or is it
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  Speaker 2: harsh punishment?
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  Speaker 1: Readers of The Herald Sun.
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  Speaker 2: seem to think it's a great idea with 79% in favour.
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  Speaker 1: I like the idea.
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  Speaker 2: I just suspect the difficult part is going to be
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  Speaker 2: the implementation. You've got the logistics, the supervision, the insurance
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  Speaker 2: and the small matter of persuading farmers to accept a
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  Speaker 2: drug-addicted bloke from inner-city Melbourne rather than a young female
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  Speaker 2: backpacker from Brazil.
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  Speaker 3: Which is where we actually tend to get.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's, what is it, roughly 50% nationally we
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  Speaker 5: account for via backpackers going.
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  Speaker 3: Out to the regions, plus we have that palm agreement.
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  Speaker 5: With the Pacific, and we've got about 31,000 people coming
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  Speaker 5: from there with that arrangement. By the way, both of
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  Speaker 5: those particular policies, when it comes to One Nation, with
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  Speaker 5: respect to backpackers and the palm agreement, Pauline Hanson said
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  Speaker 5: that we would die if.
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  Speaker 3: We scrapped that.
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  Speaker 5: So they are totally exempt from their immigration policy and
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  Speaker 5: their targets with migration and immigration. But I started doing
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  Speaker 5: some numbers. You know me, I love to deep dive
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  Speaker 5: into our topics, and I thought, well, so roughly how
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  Speaker 5: many people would we be considering? So, according to the ABS,
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  Speaker 5: approximately 11% of adult prisoners across the country in Australia
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  Speaker 5: are in there for illicit drug reasons, right? And then
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  Speaker 5: you start to look at it more broadly, and you
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  Speaker 5: can have up to 73%, according to other data, in
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  Speaker 5: there for drug-related offences that can include having taken drugs
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  Speaker 5: 12 months.
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  Speaker 3: Prior to them being taken into custody. So, now you
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  Speaker 3: start to look at, OK, what are the averages across
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  Speaker 3: the states?
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  Speaker 5: The New South Wales state itself has the highest of
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  Speaker 5: the national average.
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  Speaker 3: Northern Territory has the lowest.
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  Speaker 5: Victoria roughly mirrors the national average. So we're talking between
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  Speaker 5: 11 to 14 per cent.
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  Speaker 3: So if you go smack bang.
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  Speaker 5: In the middle, 12 per cent of how many people
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  Speaker 5: are roughly incarcerated.
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  Speaker 3: In Victoria as it stands. Let's go 6,593. And then
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  Speaker 3: you go 12% of that.
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  Speaker 1: Russell Crowe and a beautiful mind.
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  Speaker 3: I just, because I wanted to know.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, I shouldn't have interrupted. I love it.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to know what are the numbers that we're
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  Speaker 5: potentially getting out of this, right? If we just use
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  Speaker 5: these rough figures, approximately 791.16.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Right. So that's how many people you would have
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  Speaker 3: dispersed across the regions.
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  Speaker 5: And when it comes to fruit picking and harvesting, The
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  Speaker 5: busiest periods are between, you've got December to February and
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  Speaker 5: you've also got busy periods November.
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  Speaker 3: To May, right?
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  Speaker 5: So for me, I'm thinking, right, you're already benefiting from
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  Speaker 5: the backpackers, you're already benefiting from the palm, right, figures,
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  Speaker 5: so 31,000 dispersed across the country, predominantly in Victoria, chuck
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  Speaker 5: in another 791, all of a sudden are their plans
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  Speaker 5: for immigration starting to sound less and less crazy, right?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a few things. One is I'm
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  Speaker 4: not sure if I was a farmer, if I'd want
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  Speaker 4: a chain gang or not of, you know, drug.
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  Speaker 4: Former drug dealers and users on my property at risk
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  Speaker 4: of relapsing at any time with no facilities to deal
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  Speaker 4: with them.
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  Speaker 1: If they did.
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  Speaker 3: But how are they going to relapse on a property
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  Speaker 3: where they're picking fruit?
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  Speaker 4: They might do a runner. Drug users will often do
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  Speaker 4: anything to get a.
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  Speaker 2: If it was the Labor government, they'd put an injecting
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  Speaker 2: room on the farm.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 4: That's a fantastic idea. They're going to put in all
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  Speaker 4: the guardrails to make it work. So I just think it's...
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  Speaker 4: I can think of a few things. I mean, one
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  Speaker 4: is you'd have to get them there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Or you'd have to make sure that they went there.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's not crazy. I'm not sort of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: taking a dump on it from Great High.
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  Speaker 1: Have you got like a busload of.
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  Speaker 2: You bus them all out to the country of Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: they work for the day, then you bus them all back.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pretty big.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Victoria's not the biggest state in the world,
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  Speaker 4: but that's a pretty big commute.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have thought so.
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  Speaker 2: But they can't sleep on the property, surely, because then
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  Speaker 2: effectively you've got to create a mini.
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  Speaker 4: Jail on the farm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do.
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of farmers on fruit-picking season, farmers
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  Speaker 4: will have either basic accommodation where backpackers can sit or, again, backpackers...
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  Speaker 4: bring their own transport, they've got their own tents and
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that, and they can set up and do that.
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  Speaker 4: And so I just think, and again, it would be
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  Speaker 4: a tiny drop in the ocean for quite a high
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  Speaker 4: risk for a sector that actually needs tens of thousands.
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  Speaker 4: And by your own amazing calculations, this would produce fewer
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  Speaker 4: than 800 people. So it's probably a good idea, ironically,
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  Speaker 4: after you've, you know, been punching a few cones and
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  Speaker 4: you're thinking, oh, you know what, we could do this.
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  Speaker 3: How many of the backpackers are already doing that? Anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Punching cones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, punching cones.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But they're picking the fruit. But they didn't have the
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  Speaker 4: idea to send out drugs.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a new idea.
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  Speaker 2: There's versions of it that have existed and that continue
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  Speaker 2: to exist.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like, work release is a real thing. Yeah. But usually
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  Speaker 4: either the prisoners or working within the prison system, so
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  Speaker 4: usually either... You would have prisoners working in a prison
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  Speaker 4: system where they can be guarded, but they're producing stuff
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  Speaker 4: and getting skills for when they go back on the outside.
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  Speaker 4: Or you would have work release where they go from the...
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  Speaker 4: They sleep in the prison, but they're allowed to go
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  Speaker 4: out and get back in the workforce ahead of their release.
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  Speaker 1: I would argue....
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  Speaker 2: That's where the logistics become challenging.
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  Speaker 5: But I would argue that for them, right, getting them clean,
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  Speaker 5: first and foremost, that's a priority, but being in an
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  Speaker 5: environment where you're exposed to the sun, so a bit
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  Speaker 5: of vitamin D, fresh air, you're being put to work.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, to take a kind of lefty progressive position,
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  Speaker 5: isn't that something that you would prefer for these.
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  Speaker 3: Prisoners rather than being stuck in those environments?
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  Speaker 2: The farmers get a workforce, the prisoners get a skill
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  Speaker 2: and the taxpayer gets hopefully people that.
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  Speaker 1: Won't be back in jail again.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: If you can make it work.
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  Speaker 4: If you can make it work. And again, Noel Pearson
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  Speaker 4: does something really, really similar with troubled Indigenous youth where
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: he pulls them out of the community that's toxic, which
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: is either providing bad influences or they're getting access to
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: drugs or alcohol or whatever. And he sticks them on
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: something like a small shipping boat, a fishing boat, sorry,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: and they're learning a trade. They're away from all the temptation,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: away from those things. And it's really, really character building.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: But it's quite intensive. It's not something you can just do,
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: you know, with 1,000 people every year and just hit
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: set and forget. You've got to be sort of involved.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, I wonder if the economics of it, you
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have deep-dived into this one.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: And I doubt the One Nation candidate would have either.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Try me.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: But if you consider the cost of recidivism... Mm-hm.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Versus what would be, I think, very high cost of
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: trying to set this up logistically. But it'd be interesting
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: to find out if it was worth spending all the
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: money to make it happen. if you were pretty sure
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: that these people would not end up back in prison
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: because they'd managed to rehabilitate themselves.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: Oh, I think that's a different kettle of fish altogether
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: now because now you're diving into the recidivism point of
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: view and trying to then map that out with a
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: rising crime figures in Victoria.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Well, it would come down to an economic argument, wouldn't it?
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Of course it would, but you're right. Is there an
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: economic benefit in all of this, right? So you'd have
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: the cost of what, getting them in the bus, getting
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: them there, so there's.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Your petrol cost and... Diesel, it's not cheap. They're saying
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: it could be up to $ 4 by the end of Christmas.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: But then you've also got the issue of, OK.
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: So who's... Well, are you going to have to be
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: accommodating them?
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Do they need to be guarded while they're there? Do
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: you have to have a corrective services officer there?
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: You'd have to have some corrective services staff employed there.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Then you'd have to have a ratio. So you'd only have...
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is, but you'd have to
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: have one officer for, say, every 12 or whatever it is.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, if it's... You know, as much as childcare,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: it could be one office for every five.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Why don't we get the government to subsidise it? That'll
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: drive the costs through the roof. Alright, speaking of all
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: things money, how about this? Australia's millionaire founder of Jim's
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Mowing has said he has the perfect antidote to solve
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: the low birth rate crisis. And it's been a very
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: revelatory idea that multi-millionaire businessman Jim Penman has put forward.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: He's seeking to develop a drug... He has dubbed, quote,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: anti-cocaine to fix Australia's low birth rate. Penman, who founded
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: and built Jim's Mowing while also juggling being a father
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: to 10 children across multiple marriages, has long believed Australia's
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: waning birth rate is due to a rise in dopamine
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: being found outside the traditional family unit. Australia has been
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: below the replacement rate of 2.1 children per woman for
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: almost 50 years, but that number hit a record low
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: of 1.48 in 2024, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: and Treasury's latest intergenerational report released last month forecasts death
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: will outnumber births in Australia for the first time by
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: the 2060s. But, Jim, not only has he solved the
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: problem of home maintenance, but now he's here to solve
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: the problem of the low birth rate.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: He's literally cutting people's grass. Because.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Because we're getting far too much dopamine. I don't know
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: about either of you, but I feel like, yeah, OK,
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: the issue of dopamine is a problem outside of the
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: family unit. You have the rise in, you know, pornography platforms, OnlyFans,
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: adult entertainment.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: People are getting stimulated everywhere except where they should be.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Of course, and constantly on social media, right?
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: We've had scientists and data come out to talk about
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: the dopamine hits your brain gets from constantly scrolling. But
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I don't think that this is the, you know, the
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: solution to all of these problems.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Given your incredible investigative skills and your need to deep dive,
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: can you please tell me how anti-cocaine works?
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know how anti... I'm not a drug taker.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Is the idea to make you... Instead of making you
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: so sort of stimulated and... you know, happy from other stimuli,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: that it makes you so kind of miserable? Is it
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: like methadone, where it just cuts off the.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Where you turn into a zombie?
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Well, that's right, where it just, you know, provides a
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: brick wall between the stimulus and you, and so that
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: you then end up going back, crawling back to the
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: marital bed.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I think Jim should stick to mowing, personally, because, I mean,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: it's one thing to come up with an anti-dopamine drug.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I think an anti-Jim Chappell.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: drug would do more for the birth rate because it's
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: all very well for a multimillionaire to have had 10 children,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: but the reason most people aren't having one or two
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: or three is because they're not multimillionaires and it's a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: cost-of-living problem more than a dopamine problem.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Well, Jim Penman has had a lot to say about
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers. He's gone in swinging with a sledgehammer.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Well, sure, but I think that's the bigger problem rather
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: than that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I think it's much deeper than that, don't you, James?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Well, then there's a cultural and philosophical issue where once
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: you become a secular society, because religious cultures have a
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: higher birth rate typically because you connect sex, marriage and
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: children all go together. In a secular culture you disconnect
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: all of those things. So that affects a birth rate.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: And I think then religious people tend to think about
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: generational legacy whereas in a secular culture it's more let's
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die. And
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that doesn't really lend itself to sacrificing to have children
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: because you believe in a future where very much a
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: now generation. And you know I think religious people probably
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: ask what sort of family do I want to build.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Whereas in a secular culture, we're more inclined to say,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: what sort of mortgage do I want and what sort
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: of overseas holiday do I want?
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Is that fair? No, that's absolutely fair. But for me,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I think of it through the lens of a mother
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: and a woman.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: And I think the propaganda started probably in the second
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: wave of feminism, right?
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: So the first wave of feminism, you had.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Women like English philosophers named Mary Wollstonecraft, for example, she
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: just argued for the right and the ability to have
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: a choice, to have a seat at the table, to
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: go to work, to vote, to do those things. But
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: the first wave also revered motherhood extraordinarily, right? They placed
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: a big pride and emphasis on being a mother at
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: home and adopting that domestic life. The second wave came
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: in and you had feminists like Betty Friedan, for example,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: who likened being at home to a concentration camp with comfort.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And then thereafter, what we started to... It's true. It's
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: a quote.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, not that much comfort at
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: my home.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: The rest is true.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: The idea of comfort at home, though, often flowed through
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: the mother, right? Establishing that nurturing environment and then that
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: began to erode over time, this idea that women could
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: have it all, that you could be this career woman
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: and that motherhood was optional and that if you wanted to,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: you could just freeze your eggs and then one day
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: IVF was there to solve that problem. Women are waking
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: up to this issue now and they're realising that that's
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: actually not true. And I know so many women who
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: have put off having children in the face of pursuing
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: a career, and that's fine.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I don't judge them. I was a career woman myself.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: But I also recognise that when motherhood came knocking, and
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: that was something that I chose, that that meant it
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: was time now to sacrifice those years for my children,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: for their betterment, as the studies will show. Erica Commissar,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: she's also an American child psychologist, she talks a lot
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: about this and the dangers of putting your children in
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: childcare from zero to three, neurologically, the cortisol levels that
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: it raises for them, and that mother to child attachment.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: We can't escape biology. We keep trying to do that
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: and ignore the fact that your child is hardwired to
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: want the mother, right? So all of these things became
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: optional for women, right? And we started to label things
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: like pornography and a career on OnlyFans as progressive, but
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: staying at home and looking after your children and making
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: a meal for your husband was oppressive.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Why can't you do both?
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: That's what I said to my wife.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: How'd that work out for you, Joe?
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: As I said, it's like being in a concentration camp. But, yes,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: I think you are both absolutely right and, therefore, I
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: have nothing more to add. What I would like to
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: tell you about, though, I think it could be the out-of-control...
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: cost of living that is driving our birth rate into
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: the doldrums because no one can go on dates anymore,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: thus to get jiggy with it, to get the old
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: lady in the mood, because no one can afford to
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: actually buy anything from a restaurant or cafe. And, my friends,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: before you think that it's already the end of the world,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: it is my melancholy duty to inform you that it's
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: only going to get worse. Now, try to sit down
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: and get your little thinking cap off around this because
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I'm an art student and it's been really, really, really,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: really hard, right? The government is planning to scrap the
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: credit card surcharge on all transactions so that merchants can
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: no longer charge, retails can no longer charge you, the customer,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: for the credit card fees that they rack up with
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: each transaction. Now, you would think that this would make
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: things less expensive, that every time you have to pay
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: that little bit of, you know, $ 0. 15 or 0.02% or
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: whatever it is on each transaction. You don't have to
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: do that anymore. So every little bit helps, right? And
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: it's going to actually, you know, leave you marginally better off.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: In fact, what people are now saying is that because
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: of a loophole in the new rules, merchants might actually
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: end up charging you more by using things like QR codes,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: which because they are actually providing a service to you, i.e.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: if you're at the table and you... scan the QR
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: code to order something from an online menu, you are
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: requesting a service from the vendor and they can charge
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: you for that as opposed to just racking the plastic
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: fantastic down the slot. So in this one particular case
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: study that has been dug up in August, a $ 6. 50 latte,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: and again, that tells you how much trouble we're in
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: in and of itself, doesn't it? I mean, thank you,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Sydney Airport. They were ahead of their time, weren't they?
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Imagine what it's going to cost us now. Oh, it's bonkers. Anyway,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: so the $ 6. 50 latte, and who drinks a latte? Like,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: who do you think you are?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: What do you drink, Joseph?
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Flat white.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Because I don't think, oh, you know what? I deserve
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: that tiny extra bit of froth.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I drink a latte.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: It's the only coffee I have.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: LAUGHTER I did not know that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: No, clearly you didn't know that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: But just switch to a flat white.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Get on with the story and stop copying me.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: You know what? You're like an Athenian, a feet Athenian
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Epicurean compared to my stoic Spartanism.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Stoic Spartanism.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. Anyway, so that's got 11% card surcharge.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: This now brings the total to $ 6. 61. But with the
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: new platform fees, the same $ 6. 50 latte has a 20
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: cent menu and platform fee. Same fee, but a brand
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: new name and a brand new category. And that brings
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: the total to $ 6. 70. In other words, the customer ends
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: up paying nine cents more under the new fee structure.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, what the hell is going on here?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So what you're saying is, once again, an Albanese promise
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to make things better has made things worse.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Or that he is actually trying to save customers money
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: and the cheeky, evil... banks and whoever they are, I
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: don't know, Jews, not Jews really, are trying to manipulate it,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: trying to stop him.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to take this conversation
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: off track, but can I just say I refuse to
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: use QR codes if I'm at a restaurant because I
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: object to the fact coals have turned me into a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: checkout chick.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And when I go to a restaurant, I don't want
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to be turned into the waitress.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what's happening now.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: When I go to Macca's, I don't use the automatic thing.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I'll stand at the desk and I'll wait until they
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: come out of the kitchen and and take my order
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: in person.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: I think that more people should actually start doing that
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: and revolting against it. The worst part about all of
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: this is the spin coming out from.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: The Labor government.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: They're trying to champion this as though it's been a
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: good thing and they posted up something earlier today. Card
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: surcharges add up fast and they're costing Aussies $ 1. 6 billion
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: every year. So we changed that. Surcharges are now banned,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: saving you money when you tap.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Did they post that today?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: They literally posted that today.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: After the last few days, everyone's been talking about the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: fact that it does not save money.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Everyone has been hammering them over this.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: That was nine hours ago when I screenshot that at
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: nine o'clock, right? And it literally had 121 likes, 63 comments,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: and I dare say there'll be more now because people
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: will be directed to go and spew their anger.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: But they are trying, though. Is it really the government's
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: fault that they are trying to.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Joe, so why not take the fight up with the
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: banks then? None of this. So what does that say then?
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Someone wrote the perfect comment to that and said, so
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: a business owner's not everyday Australians.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Because you've passed the cost on to them. That's the issue.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: In addition to the multitude of taxes that they're already paying.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Even today, public holiday, for example, I went and spoke
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: earlier just a few days ago with one of the
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: cafe owners, this beautiful, hardworking Taiwanese man, came here many
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: years ago, has been running this business, serves.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: The best cakes.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: And I said, Remy, are you opening up for the
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: public holiday?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I'll see you then. He goes, no, it's too expensive
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: for me to run.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: He goes, I have to pay my casual staff double
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: time and a half, plus the surcharges, plus every other
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: cost that's gone through the roof. He said, I can't
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: afford to stay open on these days. This is crushing
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: for Australians, for businesses, for people like us who want
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: to go and buy coffee and actually Give money to
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: their businesses, Joe.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess they would say that, look, the only
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: thing that we can control is stopping the customer from
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: paying more, so we intervene at that level. And if
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: we got the bank to.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Abolish the fees.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: But did it ever occur to them that if someone
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: is going to pay somewhere, it was always... Blind Freddy
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: could see it was going to come back to the consumer.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: If only Blind Freddy was the prime minister, we'd be
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: much better off. I want to talk about the death
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: row inmate in the USA, Krista Pike, who was sentenced
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to death by lethal injection, which they administered last week,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: except that after the first injection, she didn't die. So
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: they gave her a second injection. She still didn't die.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So then she was rushed to hospital where she's listed
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: as critically ill and being given life-saving measures.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Now, think of the irony of that.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: This is a person who was sentenced to death, executed,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: now being given life-saving measures. Her lawyer is upset and
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: says she may never recover. Again, the irony is thick,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: sentenced to death. may never recover from the lethal injection.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to recover from it. Donald Trump described
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: it as, quote, unquote, an interesting situation. The conundrum they
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: have now is what do they do with this murderer who,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: as I said, was sentenced to death?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Now that's failed. Do they get her well enough?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: To try again to kill her, or do they say,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you know what, you have suffered to the point where
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to try to kill you again would be cruel and
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: unusual punishment, which is banned under the Eighth Amendment? I
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: think that's the way her lawyers are going to argue
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: against And so America waits now to see, and indeed
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Krista Pike, to the degree of consciousness she now has
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: after going through the failed execution, to see what will
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: be done.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really, I mean, it's quite sick. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: I think it's for anyone who is pro-capital punishment, and again,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: I have no problem with people like this being removed
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: from the planet. But the way in which it is
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: done and the moral quandaries that it throws up, I think,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: just show how incredibly fraught it is. So, firstly, you've
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: got that... You had that just sickening mind meld where
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: you have her... Two attempts to execute her via lethal injection.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Neither actually work. She then has to be rushed to
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: hospital to be treated... To be healed, to be cared for.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Can I quickly jump in there?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: The reason is because according to the law, so the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: law said she can be executed, but the moment they've
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: finished trying to execute her, now it's against the law
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: not to treat her.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Again, doesn't that just freak, doesn't that just sort of
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: blow your mind? I think as humans, I think you
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: would agree, I believe we are hardwired to want to
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: live and we are hardwired to want to keep others alive.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: And that's why I have some problems with euthanasia and
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: other things as well. But but I mean, this just
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: raises some. And the other problem is, of course, that
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: as you sort of alluded to, you have to be
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: of sound mind to be to consent, to be to
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: be executed in the first place. That's why everyone tries
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: to go insanity. So you avoid the avoid the chair.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: But also, I believe you're supposed to be... And that's
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: why it's so specific about how you can be executed.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: It's not just a matter of pulling the plug at
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: the hospital. You have to know why you're being executed.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: You have to understand... that this is happening because of
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: what you did.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: And that is part of the punishment.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Back in 1946, there's a guy called Willie Francis. The
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: electric chair malfunctioned. The US Supreme Court voted five to
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: four that he should be executed again, and he was.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: But more recently, Rommel Broom.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: In 2009... was sentenced to death by lethal injection. They
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: spent two hours trying to get the IV in, used
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: 18 needles, after which they stopped. Romer was supposed to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: be executed again, but instead died of COVID in 2020.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: They had another incident, too, in Tennessee.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: They've got quite a bit of form with botched executions
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: as well, where they had someone... Call it off, Tony Carruthers,
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: in fact, in May in 2026, after spending over an
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: hour also puncturing him numerous times trying to find the
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: vein and establish the required secondary backflip IV line.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I believe back in the olden days, if they hanged
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: you and you still survived after I think it was
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: three attempts, you were actually completely let go because it
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: was perceived as being God's will. God obviously didn't want
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: you to die. These are the sort of people who
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: also come up with trial by combat where two people
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: would just hack each other to death.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: So just very quickly, let's do the vote. So should
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: they re-execute or should that be the end? You're just
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: life in prison.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Which one?
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I almost think you'd have... I think, well, knowing people
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: with brain injury, if she's got any consciousness at all,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: she would be a completely different person to the one
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: she was and may not even in a way be
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: the same person who committed the crime. At the same time,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: if she's actually brain dead and she's not going to
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: function there, do you just keep her alive but unconscious,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: you know, in perpetuity? I mean, this is why I
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: think it is just so incredibly, such an incredibly fraught
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: problem that clearly even the entire apparatus of the state
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: of Tennessee and more broadly the US cannot get right.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Well, that just.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Clearly to me just suggests that, you know, it's the
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: swift hand of God there and not to intervene and
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: to engage in these types of practices.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I feel repulsed by all.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Of it, to be honest. I agree.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I feel repulsed by all of it. Very quickly, speaking
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: of being repulsed, how about this?
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: From the Green Party in the UK, they're always coming
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: up some ideas here in Australia, but what about with
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: our counterparts in the Commonwealth there?
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Well, they've decided now the UK's.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Left-wing Green Party have voted on Sunday to define, pardon me,
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: Zionism as racism.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: At the party's annual conference, drawing sharp backlash.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: From three British Jewish groups, the ruling Labor Party and
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Israel's government, members of the Green Party, which has five
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: MPs in Britain's 650-seat parliament and which enjoyed a boost
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: in recent local and special elections, backed the motion at
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: the party's conference.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: With 1,022 votes in favour and 813 against.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: If you haven't had enough of what comes out of
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: these parties now, Joe, then this just really has to
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: be the icing on the cake.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: It is disgraceful. I mean, just imagine denying... that anti-Semitism
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: or that what they were expressing, the anti-Zionism that they
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: were expressing, complete with all the ugly history, all the
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: ugly baggage, including all the conspiracy theories, one I joked
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: about earlier, that, you know, the protocols of the elders
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: of Zion and the Jews through Rothschilds are secretly controlling
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: the financial systems of the world. They are feeding into
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: that narrative, I mean, whether they're smart enough to know
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: it or not, and the idea that somehow it is
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Jewish people who believe in a Jewish homeland who are
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: the racists.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Because that's what the definition of Zionism is, right?
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: That's all it is. All it is, if you believe
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: in a Jewish homeland. And that is something that pretty
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: much every people takes for granted in Australia. We accept
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: that we're Australian because we live in Australia and we're
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Australian citizens. They've got an ancestral tie to it that
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: goes back thousands and thousands of years. They're even prepared
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: to share it with the Palestinians who deals which have
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: been rejected time and time again by the Palestinian side.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: And now the Greens are saying, again, as part of
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: their platform, that the whole place should be a single
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Palestinian state.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Well, they're calling for one democratic state covering historic Palestine.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've got people in this country who repeatedly
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: say from the river to the sea, well, that is
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: now official Greens policy. in the UK and all they've
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: done is they've made the UK incredibly unsafe for Jews
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: and they've made terrorism far more likely in the UK
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: and they are persecuting good people who have helped to
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: build the UK while flattering radical Islamists who they continue
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: giving a free pass to. It's just incredibly dangerous what
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they're doing.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: including the front page of tomorrow's Australian has a fascinating
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: story about Dan Andrews' life post-politics.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: We'll bring you that after this. Welcome back to the program.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow so
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: you get them all here first on The Late Debate.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And, Lucy, the front page of tomorrow's Oz.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Let's start with the Australian, who's quite the mystery man,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Daniel Andrews. And the headline reads, Lockdown in ALP Donor's Mansion,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Pariah Premier's Curious Life, this exclusive via Liam Mendes, Power
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: and the Peninsula. Former Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews is living
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: a secret post-political life in a multi-million dollar luxury beachfront home,
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: belonging to a wealthy Labor donor who made payments to
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: the party in a pattern similar to to a practice
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: the state's anti-corruption watchdog had raised concerns about. Mr Andrews
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: has been staying in the spectacular fortress-like home on Victoria's
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Mornington Peninsula after it was purchased earlier this year by
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: a property developer who, alongside close family members, donated almost
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: $ 30, 000 to the Victorian Labor Party in the months before
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: the 2022 state election. And there's also a photograph of
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: him at his new home enjoying a beach walk. Joe,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: we don't hear a lot from him except when he
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: is at either mansions or at expensive fundraisers in Point
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Piper or, in fact, shaking the hands.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Of Xi Jinping in Beijing.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is probably the second worst photo
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: of Daniel Andrews.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: The first, the Xi photo.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: The other one is when he's standing in the same
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: company as Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un for North Korea.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: So Xi Jinping would be a moderate in that line-up. Lucy, but, yeah,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: it's a.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: It just shows, and we've learnt so much since the
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: departure of Daniel Andrews as Premier, how much, much like
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: the Pyongyang of Kim Jong-un, it's all just a facade.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: It was all just a facade. Even the progressive, you know, politics,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: caring about the little people who we crushed and crushed
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: and crushed with the lockdowns, because, of course, the smaller
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: your house, God help you if you're a flat or
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: God help you if you were an actual house owner
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: who lived in a housing commission and you were basically
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: walled in there.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: God help you if you just wanted to catch up
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: with your mates or have a beer without your mask on.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Well, clearly, as soon as he's finished life and doesn't
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: have to put the... his political life, public life, and
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: doesn't have to put on the facade anymore, he's just...
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: out there chasing up billionaires, hanging around with strongmen.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I like this particular line in the article. It says
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: that his crash-through character trait was his greatest political asset,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: but when combined with a missing moral compass, it led
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: him into scandals. And then there's a quote from someone
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: who's a former Labor minister saying, for Daniel Andrews, electoral
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: success and moral excellence.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Are the same thing. That's a pretty damning.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Quote, isn't it?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's terrible.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Elsewhere, it's all we've been talking about as well, this
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: story via Elizabeth Pike and Noah Yim. Exes mark the
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: spot at Bowen's pre-cop. Anthony Albanese will be the only
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: G20 leader at climate change minister Chris Bowen's much vaunted
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: pre-cop meeting in Tuvalu. With progressive stalwarts Julia Gillard and
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: Jacinda Ardern unveiled among the headline speakers despite spending years
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: out of office.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Gee, they're getting desperate to fill those seats.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Mr Bowen on Monday in Nardi declared that just one
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: leader from outside the Pacific attending pre-cop was a success,
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: marking a significant backtrack from his earlier statements about drawing
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: presidents and prime ministers to see the front line of politics.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: The climate crisis, James.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Hysterical. Did you see the topic for Julia Gillard's speech?
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: What was that?
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Pre-cop.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: She will discuss maternal care in a heating planet.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Maternal care, but with all due respect, she doesn't have
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: any children.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Maybe she's been speaking to Jim from Jim's mowing. Some
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: like it hot.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Some like it hot.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: That will be a speech not to be missed.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen is refusing, of course, to release the guest list,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: probably because it's Very small, but he did say that
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: there are two leaders from outside the Pacific who are attending,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and then it goes on to say that if even
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: one leader outside the Pacific had attended... that would have
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: been considered a success. I reckon they're moving the goalposts to.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: No, no, this is, to be fair, this is the
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: first time any leaders have ever been invited to this
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: kind of pre-cop summit.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And now we know why, because they don't want to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: go to a pre-cop summit.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: That's right, they want to go to the cop summit,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: not the pre-cop summit. But so the fact that any
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: are turning up is being considered a victory. Another terrible
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: story coming out of remote and regional Australia, I'm sorry
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: to say. We've been following, of course, what's been happening...
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: in WA, with kids being taken away from their carers,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: often their grandparents, and then placed in the custody of junky,
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: ice-addicted mums and dads. Well, now we've got the feeder problem,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: if you like, of truancy in the Northern Territory, and
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: there's been an unbelievable amount of parents who have been
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: referred to the Federal Department of Education In just term
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: three of 2026, almost 400 parents of serial truants were
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: referred to the Department of Education. In term three of 2026,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: the government has revealed with Education Minister Jo Hedsey saying
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: she makes, quote, no apologies for cracking down on those who, quote,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: deprive their child. But the most eye-catching figure was the
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: number of parents who are now on the federal government's radar.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: So no more Mr Nice Guy, if you like, from
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: the NT government. They are taking this very, very seriously.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: And I have to say.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: I like this, Joe.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: rightly so.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like this.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: These parents need to be held accountable. Children don't choose
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: to be born. Their parents choose to have them.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: And this is a situation where there are too many
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: children running rampant on the streets where their parents don't
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: know where they are, but they should know where they are.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: It's terrible. I mean, even in New South Wales, like,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: there was a school in Wilcannia that I think went
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: from something like 60-something, 60-plus per cent attendance, which was
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: considered really good for them, even though it's about 20
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: per cent below... 30% lower than any other government school,
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: went down to about 30 or something. So even that hard,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: it's awful.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Real quick, front page of the Cairns Post, Lost in Translation,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: reads the headline, Fears Visa Plan Will Block Multilingual Staff
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: and Threaten Reef Safety. This, of course, relates to Tony
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Burke's changes to the visa laws affecting people working in
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: regional areas. I hadn't thought of that one, but it's
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: a very good point that they're making in Cairns because,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: of course, you get so many international tourists who don't
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: speak English. They're relying on these holiday visa makers who
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: are bilingual to be able to instruct them in safety.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: When they're out on the reef.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Send some druggie prisoners.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: That could do it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: Sorry, when I travelled to Russia, and I've been in
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: a lot of countries around the world, but when I
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: did travel to Russia once and I asked if they
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: spoke English, they said, this is Russia, we speak Russian.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: So if there's a problem with people not being able
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: to speak or understand English, then perhaps the country that
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: you're going to, you should be knowing how to speak.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: But not if you're a tourist.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: But if you're a tourist, what do you mean?
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're a tourist out on a reef boat.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: These are just holiday makers.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's no one who speaks your language and
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: they're relying on these holiday makers to have visas who.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Can be employed. Like fruit pickers.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like interpreters out on the reef.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: No, we speak English here and if you can't speak English,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: that's your problem.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: That's a tough line from Lucy.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I thought the starfish was the biggest threat to the
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Great Barrier Reef.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: It's me. All right, we're going to go to a
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: break when we come back. A tornado in Ulladulla, can
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you believe it? We'll show you the amazing footage. There's
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: some of it there. We'll show you the rest after
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the break.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: OK, there was probably more talk about the pre-game entertainment
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: in the NRL grand final than the game itself after
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the league booked Tones and I to perform, only for
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Tones and I to say we'll perform, but we're not
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: going to do our famous song Dance Monkey, at which
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: point the whole agreement broke down. So the NRL decided
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: to play Dance Monkey rather cheekily after the first try
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: and conversion.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Here's what happened.
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: Strike first, the Knights. 6-0.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: So, Tones and I missed out on the check, but
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the crowd still got to hear the song. The comments
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: on the Daily Telegraph story were pretty interesting. Some of
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: them read, that didn't stop the NRL taking what many
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: saw as a petty shot at Tones and I. with
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: many delighted viewers sharing their amusement. One said, dance monkey,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: after the first try, the level of pettiness is iconic.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Someone else said, the stadium DJ dropping dance monkey in
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: the NRL GF didn't go unnoticed. Someone else said, someone
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: clearly trolling by playing dance monkey over the PA system.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: And somebody else, no way, they're playing dance monkey during
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: the break. I'm with the person who said it was petty.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I think the NRL should be above rubbish.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: It was hilarious. It was fantastic. Apparently the real problem was, though,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: was when they booked Tones and I and then found
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: out it was only one person.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Come on. When his dad jokes, it's really.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Did they just draw attention to their own failure to
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: get a decent headline act by doing that?
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Yes, and to put together the pre-show entertainment in the
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: way that they did, I'm sorry to say, I found
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: it distasteful.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I really did.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: I don't like that they made the decision to put
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: these two men who have had these MND diagnoses.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: as a way, and that's how I.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: Perceived it, as a way to almost shield themselves from criticism.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: That's what it felt like.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: It was like, okay, well, we're going to have to
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: put this, you know, rabble together. And by the way,
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: I really liked Amy Shark. I think she's a very
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: talented singer, beautiful woman. But it just felt like if
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: we do this, then you can't criticise us.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: And that's not okay.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: From the screaming chairs.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: That was a coup. Yeah, fine.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Not really. Not really. Quickly, have a look at this, though.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: It's not often that you see a tornado ripping through Ulladulla,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: but nothing says Australia like the two blokes in this clip.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: It! I did it!
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Winds gusting to almost 100 kilometres an hour.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: Ah!
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: The Twister disappearing as quickly as it came, leaving behind
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: a trail of destruction. Bit of rain like, Terry, hold
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: the tarp. Oh yeah, Terry almost got blown away.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: Pretty wild scenes.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty wild scenes, but Terry, hold the tarp. I loved
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  Speaker 3: this moment.
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  Speaker 4: Terry, hold the tarp is my new, I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: put it on my business card.
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  Speaker 3: Go on then.
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  Speaker 4: If I had business cards, I would.
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  Speaker 5: But a tornado ripping through Ulladulla, remarkable.
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  Speaker 3: It's not often you see that.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what the locals said. And just finally, this
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  Speaker 4: is Australia's oldest man. His name is Ken Weeks, and
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  Speaker 4: he has just celebrated his 113th birthday with a ride
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  Speaker 4: in a vintage car, or as he calls it, a
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  Speaker 4: new car. LAUGHTER He does. He's got his 113th birthday.
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  Speaker 4: He's got a routine. He's at a nursing home now.
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  Speaker 4: He resisted going in as long as possible, but he
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  Speaker 4: always does his own routine. He always dresses himself, does
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  Speaker 4: everything he can, won't let the nurse... do anything.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: And Ken Weeks. Happy birthday. That is his surname, not
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  Speaker 4: how long he has to live.
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  Speaker 5: 113.
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  Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Ken. Happy birthday, Ken. That's it from us.
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  Speaker 1: Stick around. Coming up is the Rita Pennehy Show. We'll
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  Speaker 1: see you tomorrow night.