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Thursday 3pm hour 05/28/26 · Ron Verb

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  Speaker 1: Andy, off we go. 3.06 in the afternoon. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a Thursday afternoon. Boy, it is just about the perfect
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  Speaker 1: day outside, to say the least. It is 71 degrees.
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  Speaker 1: The temperature is just ideal. This is one of those
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  Speaker 1: days that I think you just wait for. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have high humidity. It's just perfect. It's absolutely perfect. So,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you get an opportunity if you're retired to
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  Speaker 1: go You enjoy working in your yard or maybe doing
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  Speaker 1: some golfing or maybe just taking a nice walk. And
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  Speaker 1: if you're working, I hope you, when you get home,
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  Speaker 1: you get to enjoy some of this beautiful day as well.
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  Speaker 1: It is just absolutely phenomenal out there. Perfect temperature, perfect humidity,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just comfortable. Anyway, good afternoon. Ron Verb from
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  Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Mahoning right here until 7 o'clock tonight,
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  Speaker 1: being Thursday. Legal Show comes your way tonight, 5 to 6,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Beatrice Kopp and then John Arnold's
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  Speaker 1: with the Money Talks program from 6 to 7, so
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  Speaker 1: we conversate from 3 to 5 here this afternoon on
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  Speaker 1: NewsRadio 570 WKBN. And I get to phone calls momentarily
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  Speaker 1: if you would like to chime in.
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  Speaker 2: 330-729-9977.
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  Speaker 3: 330-729-9977.
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  Speaker 1: Well, wasn't it interesting? If you missed yesterday's broadcast, I
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  Speaker 1: think you missed a lot. I really do. Go back
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  Speaker 1: and snag it on the podcast, okay, if you missed
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  Speaker 1: yesterday's broadcast. So here's what you missed. I find it
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  Speaker 1: interesting that we start out on the program yesterday talking
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  Speaker 1: about how the state, DeWine, the DeWine administration, waived the
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  Speaker 1: sales tax on data centers. What do you prefer, tomato, tomato, data, data?
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  Speaker 1: What do you prefer? But they waived the sales tax
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  Speaker 1: for data centers. And by waiving that, as I was
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  Speaker 1: talking to you yesterday, all the goods that they buy,
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  Speaker 1: these huge facilities, these massive facilities that they build, they
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  Speaker 1: don't pay sales tax on any of the materials like
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  Speaker 1: you would do if you're building a factory or you're
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  Speaker 1: building your house. They pay zero. And That adds up
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  Speaker 1: at this point in time of a loss of $ 2 billion.
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  Speaker 1: $ 2 billion. Now, I've said it before and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to say it again. We are the sweet spot for
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  Speaker 1: these centers because we have the perfect weather. We're not
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  Speaker 1: like Florida and Arizona and those places where it's so
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  Speaker 1: hot this time of the year. So we have the
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  Speaker 1: perfect weather. Because we have winter. We have changing seasons.
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  Speaker 1: So keeping these centers cool is important, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot easier to do it around here. So this is
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  Speaker 1: an ideal location weather-wise for data centers. In addition to that,
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  Speaker 1: we have the transmission lines that are necessary for the
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  Speaker 1: power that is needed. A sweet spot for data centers
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  Speaker 1: is Lordstown. You have two natural gas energy plants out there.
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  Speaker 1: You have the transmission lines. Lines that are there. I
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  Speaker 1: saw that they're looking at a data center where, was
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  Speaker 1: it the Samus plants, if I'm pronouncing that correctly? The
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  Speaker 1: coal plant that we should have never ripped down. Thank you, Obama.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Clinton. Thank you, you folks with this green
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  Speaker 1: stuff that's insisted that we tear down state-of-the-art coal plants
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  Speaker 1: and we didn't have anything to replace them with, the
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  Speaker 1: power creating the energy crisis that we're suffering here. Let's see,
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  Speaker 1: that would be Biden. That would be Clinton. That would
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  Speaker 1: be Obama. That would be Hillary Clinton. You remember the
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  Speaker 1: war on coal, right? The war on coal. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: rid of these coal plants. Let's shut them down. Basically
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  Speaker 1: regulate them out of business. But let's make a rule
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  Speaker 1: that when they're shut down, they must be destroyed so
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  Speaker 1: they can't sit there and be turned back on. This
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  Speaker 1: was the Obama administration. And the Samus plant, we ripped
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  Speaker 1: down a perfectly good coal-powered plant that we desperately need
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  Speaker 1: today because of these type of idiot decisions when we
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  Speaker 1: didn't have anything to replace that void that it left.
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  Speaker 1: But now they're talking about, hey, isn't this the perfect
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  Speaker 1: location for a data center? And the reality is, it is.
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  Speaker 1: Because you have those transmission lines right there. Those places
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  Speaker 1: like that, I've read long before this has happened, that's
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  Speaker 1: where you're ripping down the coal plants, excellent locations for
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  Speaker 1: data centers because the transmission lines are there. We are
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  Speaker 1: a sweet spot for this stuff. So what I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: is we shouldn't, as a state, give any relief to
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  Speaker 1: these people at all. We shouldn't have to give them
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  Speaker 1: a sales tax break. It's reprehensible that this was done.
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  Speaker 1: It cost all of us $ 2 billion. that we should have.
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  Speaker 1: And we could have used that $ 2 billion to go
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  Speaker 1: towards our local government funds. There's so much we could
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  Speaker 1: have used it for. If we would have used it
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  Speaker 1: for relief for our property tax payers, we could have
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  Speaker 1: used it to get money back to our local government funds.
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  Speaker 1: But instead, we gave some of the wealthiest companies in
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  Speaker 1: the country, whether that's Google or Facebook, sales tax breaks.
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  Speaker 1: And we lost $ 2 billion to these very wealthy companies
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  Speaker 1: that need to be here. Because if idiot politicians had
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  Speaker 1: failed to realize we don't have to have incentives, we
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  Speaker 1: are the sweet spot for this. And I do mean
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  Speaker 1: idiot politicians. So I think it's interesting, and I want
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  Speaker 1: all of you to understand this. Because yesterday, as we
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  Speaker 1: are digging into this during the broadcast... And I'm texting
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  Speaker 1: State Rep. Dave Thomas during the broadcast to get him
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  Speaker 1: to come on. And he's texting back to me saying,
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to have some late break in news.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, this is good because this is what
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  Speaker 1: we're on and this is what we're talking about. And
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  Speaker 1: lo and behold, they announced yesterday, oh, the governor all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden decides he's going to put a pause
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  Speaker 1: on any waiver of sales tax from data centers. He
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  Speaker 1: announced it yesterday. What an interesting coincidence. He announced that
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  Speaker 1: yesterday that he was going to put a pause on it.
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  Speaker 1: When the information is coming out of how, by doing
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  Speaker 1: what they did, they screwed us out of $ 2 billion.
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  Speaker 1: This is a governor that vetoed stuff to give property
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  Speaker 1: tax payers a break. I mean, I can't wait for
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  Speaker 1: DeWine to go. And that's why I say this isn't
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  Speaker 1: always about Republican and Democrat. You can't sit here and
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  Speaker 1: say Republicans all good, Democrats all bad, because that stereotype
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  Speaker 1: doesn't cut it. It just doesn't cut it. You've got
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  Speaker 1: to look at sometimes the individuals. Because we've had good Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: We've had good Democrats. So it's hard to say this
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  Speaker 1: is a policy that should be carved in stone. DeWine's
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  Speaker 1: a Republican, and I can't wait to see him go.
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  Speaker 1: With that being said, it'd be a cold day in
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  Speaker 1: hell before I'd ever vote for Amy Acton. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: somewhat excited about Vivek. But the reality is we're going
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  Speaker 1: to put a pause on it. After we sacrifice $ 2 billion,
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  Speaker 1: and State Rep. Dave Thomas said they're trying to get
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  Speaker 1: legislation through that you can't unpause it, that it'd be prohibited.
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  Speaker 1: There shouldn't be a property tax break or real estate
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  Speaker 1: tax break for data centers either. As I said to you,
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  Speaker 1: and it's important for everyone to understand this, as I
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  Speaker 1: see local communities trying to fight, let's put a moratorium on,
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  Speaker 1: let's put a ban on them. I want you to
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  Speaker 1: think about this. When a levy's passed and it generates
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  Speaker 1: so much money, it's pretty well frozen at that with
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  Speaker 1: the exception of what's called inside millage. Property taxes are confusing.
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  Speaker 1: There's inside millage, outside millage, but most of it's outside millage,
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  Speaker 1: which means here's what the levy is, which means that's
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  Speaker 1: how much money it can generate for its whether it's
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  Speaker 1: five years or continuous or whatever the case might be.
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  Speaker 1: So if you put a data center, let's just say
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  Speaker 1: in Lordstown, North Jackson area, now the property tax on
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  Speaker 1: that huge facility would be substantial. So we've shifted a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the burden of property taxes to that company,
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  Speaker 1: which should never be exempted, should pay them. And believe me,
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  Speaker 1: they can afford it. And we can take some of
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  Speaker 1: the cost off the homeowner because the levy can only
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  Speaker 1: generate so much. We've rearranged the pie. You follow me?
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  Speaker 1: We've just rearranged the pie. This is good. So that's
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  Speaker 1: why I'm saying think long and hard before you stand there.
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  Speaker 1: When people are saying they're against these data centers, here's
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  Speaker 1: the reality. We're all going to use them if you're
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  Speaker 1: not already. It is technology. You can't fight it. There's
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  Speaker 1: good and evil with it, just as there is with
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  Speaker 1: the Internet now. With the Internet now, it's fantastic. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of good comes from it. But look at all
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  Speaker 1: the evil that can come into your house. Look at
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  Speaker 1: all the evil that comes in that you get these
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  Speaker 1: guys busted into. with child porn on websites or human
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  Speaker 1: trafficking or all the crazy stuff that you see going on.
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  Speaker 1: So all of the evil of the internet comes into
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  Speaker 1: your house as well. You sometimes see underage kids running
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  Speaker 1: off with people who think they're madly in love with
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  Speaker 1: each other and it's It's pretty pathetic. So evil comes
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  Speaker 1: in from the internet now. And with AI, evil will
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  Speaker 1: come in as well. But there's also good that comes
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  Speaker 1: from it. And, I mean, we'll all use it. Hopefully
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  Speaker 1: the good outweigh the bad. There's genuine concern about will
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  Speaker 1: we become a surveillance state with this stuff. I think
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  Speaker 1: there's cause for concern. But I'm concerned when local communities
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  Speaker 1: and people around here are saying, we don't want any
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff. We want a ban. We want a moratorium.
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  Speaker 1: It is technology, and we shouldn't fight it. We should
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  Speaker 1: embrace it to lower our property taxes with an understanding
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  Speaker 1: of what are the effects on our water supply. We
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  Speaker 1: have the water here because of the steel mills. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I say we're a sweet spot. So what effect
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  Speaker 1: does it have on our water? And as far as
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  Speaker 1: electricity use, as Dave Thomas was saying, mandating them to
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  Speaker 1: have their own power supplies as opposed to being on
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  Speaker 1: the grid, sucking up the energy and making us all
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  Speaker 1: pay more. Comments? 330-729-9977.
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  Speaker 4: 330-729-9977.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is important. That's important. Every time I
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  Speaker 1: pick up the Vindicator or the Trib, yes, I still
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  Speaker 1: read a newspaper. And I support them. And every time
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  Speaker 1: I pick it up and I see, well, this community's
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  Speaker 1: upset about data centers or they want to ban our moratorium,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, this is like, why? Think this through. Do
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  Speaker 1: you really know enough? Are you just part of the
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  Speaker 1: herd to say, oh, we got to stop this? Because
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  Speaker 1: they're going to go somewhere. And those other communities will
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  Speaker 1: get the benefit of their property taxes. Those other communities
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  Speaker 1: will get the benefits. of the jobs that are there,
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  Speaker 1: including the maintenance jobs to keep the places running and
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  Speaker 1: the services that they will need. So let's not cut
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  Speaker 1: our throats here. Let's not cut our throats. All right,
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  Speaker 1: that's where we start today. So much to cover, such
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  Speaker 1: little time. Glad you're with us. Beautiful day. You're on
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  Speaker 1: the air.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Ron, last year, you asked G2 to research data centers,
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  Speaker 2: and a week later, he talked for an hour about
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  Speaker 2: on how great data centers were going to be in
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  Speaker 2: how many jobs were going to be created, et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember any of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember. I tried to call, and you
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  Speaker 2: let them talk for the full hour without taking calls.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm going to summarize some of my reasons when
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  Speaker 2: I called the next day to disagree with them. Data
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  Speaker 2: centers are granted jobs. long-term guaranteed access to huge amounts
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  Speaker 2: of electricity and volumes of water at the expense of
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  Speaker 2: residents and local businesses. Now, during periods of drought or
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  Speaker 2: grid stress, these agreements remain legally binding, and electricity prices rise.
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  Speaker 2: It becomes unaffordable for individuals and families to live near
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these data centers.
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  Speaker 1: All right, but pause for a second. You would also
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  Speaker 1: realize that, and I'm not disagreeing with you. That's why
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying the legislation is saying that you must provide
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  Speaker 1: the power for that data center, that they've got to
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  Speaker 1: be self-sufficient to a large extent. That's the direction to
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  Speaker 1: go in, like Google is doing with reopening the nuclear
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  Speaker 1: reactor at Three Mile Island. You follow me? The one
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  Speaker 1: that's still there. And so luckily that's been sitting idle
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  Speaker 1: since what, the 70s, 80s? It's been sitting there for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of years idle, but it wasn't torn down
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  Speaker 1: so that they can put money into it and reactivate
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  Speaker 1: it to power their data center. And then the additional
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  Speaker 1: power will go into the grid to ease traffic. the
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  Speaker 1: concern on consumers. That's the role model we have to
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  Speaker 1: follow because I'm not disagreeing with you. That is a problem.
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  Speaker 1: But keep in mind, you're a smart guy. If they
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere on the area, which is states as far
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  Speaker 1: as our electric grid is concerned, it's not just your
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood or your community. It's statewide. You understand that. So
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  Speaker 1: if we say we're not going to have them here
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  Speaker 1: and they go over to this state, which is a
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  Speaker 1: joining state on the same power grid, guess what? Your
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  Speaker 1: price goes up anyway.
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  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you brought up Three Mile Island because
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  Speaker 2: one possible solution to power these data centers could be
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  Speaker 2: nuclear energy.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, with a lot of these data centers,
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  Speaker 2: governments say, okay, water restrictions are going to become seasonal now,
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  Speaker 2: including for farmers and hospitals, and property taxes climb. as
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  Speaker 2: land values shift due to industrial demand. So a lot
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  Speaker 2: of homeowners in the area..
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  Speaker 1: Hold that thought, Frank. Hold on. Fort Lauderdale, Frank, I'm
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  Speaker 1: coming back with him and more of your calls. Call
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  Speaker 1: us a line. Be patient. We'll come back right after this.
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  Speaker 3: Youngstown's News, Weather, and Talk Station, 570 WKBN.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so what do you... I'm trying to... Well,
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  Speaker 1: I better sit back and try to understand your point.
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  Speaker 1: What's your point?
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  Speaker 2: Well, one example is the misery index went up again.
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  Speaker 1: That's just for people listening to our program, I think.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when the misery index goes up, the quality of
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  Speaker 2: human life is sacrificed to the demands of industry. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, AI requires land, water, and energy. On an
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  Speaker 2: enormous scale.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but so did making steel. I mean, that's why
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  Speaker 1: we have all the lakes around here, because it required
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  Speaker 1: a lot of water, too, to make steel back in
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  Speaker 1: the day. So, obviously, large factories take a lot of lands.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that you don't look into, are
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  Speaker 1: there any effects on our water supply and study all
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff, because for the most part, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's dirty manufacturing like that we've had in the
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  Speaker 1: past where, These companies leave, and the sites that they're
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  Speaker 1: on are just toxic when they go, and it costs
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  Speaker 1: a fortune to clean up. But I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: it's horrible.
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  Speaker 2: Magnitude greater than steelmaking in the old industrial age. For example,
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  Speaker 2: a single data center can circulate millions of gallons of
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  Speaker 2: water daily, and backup diesel generators will power the facility daily.
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  Speaker 2: during rolling brownouts and blackouts, or if the grid fails entirely.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right. But listen, we have generators here for our
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  Speaker 1: transmitter and stuff if there are power outages, too, as
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  Speaker 1: hospitals have. So I don't, as I'm listening to this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be smart-arse with you, but so what?
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  Speaker 2: Hospitals are secondary to the demands of data centers according
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  Speaker 2: to the contracts that have been signed with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of state governments. So you're aware of that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not saying that there isn't stupidity. They can't
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  Speaker 1: be secondary to hospitals and secondaries to everybody else or
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  Speaker 1: secondary to individuals in homes. So is there troubling stuff
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  Speaker 1: in some areas? Listen, if you listen to the program
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  Speaker 1: when State Rep Dave Thomas is on, which is usually
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  Speaker 1: once a week, we're making major changes here in the
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  Speaker 1: state of Ohio as far as– guardrails on these data centers.
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  Speaker 1: So we're stepping in the right direction. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing in Florida. All I can say to
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  Speaker 1: you is how proud I am of DeSantis, your governor
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  Speaker 1: down in Florida, as he was championed just the other day,
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  Speaker 1: giving someone like you major property tax relief down there.
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  Speaker 1: And I applaud him for that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think what people don't understand is the purpose
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  Speaker 2: of data centers is to control the population. One reason
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  Speaker 2: we see data centers nationwide is so robot police can
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  Speaker 2: recharge their batteries to keep a population under control.
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  Speaker 1: It is of concern. When I hear these smart guys
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  Speaker 1: like Musk and that kind of stuff express a concern
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  Speaker 1: about the surveillance society, I don't think they're crazy, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you're crazy in bringing it to my attention.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate your call. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Fort Lauderdale, Frank. Back with more after this. News Radio
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  Speaker 3: 570 WKVN. From News Radio 570 WKVN.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome. 335, 71 degrees. Sunshine to you here today. You're
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  Speaker 1: on air. Hey there. How you doing? I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for asking. What's on your mind?
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  Speaker 5: These data centers?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: I got a problem with them, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: tell you the one major problem that I have with
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  Speaker 5: them is that they got to have fresh water. The
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  Speaker 5: other major problem is just the security. Once you get
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  Speaker 5: into those data centers, people can jump in there and
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  Speaker 5: take all the information they want to you. That's what
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  Speaker 5: bothers me. There's no, there's nothing there stopping them because
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  Speaker 5: that's what's going on today.
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  Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you this old timer. Now, just
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  Speaker 1: settle down. You don't think today, I mean, if based
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  Speaker 1: on what you're saying, I don't know that we would
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  Speaker 1: even have the internet. But I don't think I have
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  Speaker 1: much privacy today. Forget the data centers. Just based on
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  Speaker 1: the Internet. If I Google search something, I start getting
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  Speaker 1: ads about it. I mean, they know what I'm searching.
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  Speaker 1: They can tell where I'm at on my cell phone.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, physically where I'm located. I mean, I don't
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: know that you have, I bet you would be shocked
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: how much is known about you in some database that
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: already exists as a result of all like computerization that
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: goes on. I don't know if you've ever received those letters. Hey,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: we had a data breach and unfortunately they got your
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: social security number and all this type of personal information
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and I've had numerous ones over the years. So even
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: your most personal information gets hijacked already. So you think
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it's going to be any worse than what it is already?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think I have any privacy.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Well, that's even going to be that much more open.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: The more data centers that are out there, the much
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: more open that they can get into your information.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what I'm concerned about, if
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you're talking about this. I am concerned about if we
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: ever go to a digital currency, because that gives the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: government control over you. We saw it with the Canadian
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: truck drivers. I'm totally opposed to going to a digital currency.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And do I have concerns over what you would call
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a surveillance state with data centers? Well, you're damn right
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I do. But I think there's a lot of that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: going on now. I don't know how much privacy. There's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: cameras everywhere. You walk in any store, they got a
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: great video picture of you anymore going in, going out
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: in the parking lots. Everybody's got a ring camera on
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: their house. So there's not a whole lot of privacy
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that you have now.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: But the privacy that you have is to yourself.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: When I got to call somebody up and I get
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: somebody on the other side of the pond, I ain't
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: got to talk to them people. One thing, they don't
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: understand which way to go. And I end up having
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: to talk to somebody here stateside instead of going in
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: the airwaves, going in a cable where they can get
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: going to. But when I get these notifications like you
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: talk about, well, somebody just got into our stuff, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: we believe they got your private information. First thing I
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: do is I get on the phone, and I start
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: making phone calls. Did they get mine? That's all I
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: want to know. Did they get mine?
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: Yes. Yes.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Usually when you get those letters, it means they did.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And they'll say stuff like, well, they could have got
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: your social security number and some of this other information
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: about you. How many of you listening? I've gotten countless
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: letters over the years of that. And it's very depressing
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: because all your personal information's floating around out there. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: so I understand what you're saying, that it can get
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: worse with the data centers. But it's technology. You cannot
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: fight what's ahead. You can't fight progress.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to fight progress. I just want common sense.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Like I said, if I get a letter, I don't
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: take it on the phone call. I get it on
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: the letter, and then I call. And then I find
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: out whether they got any of my information. And then
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: that holds that company responsible. And they know that. That's
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: why they tighten up on that stuff.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: To go after it, as far as these coals, you
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: want your grandkids, your great-grandkids breathing in lead and stuff
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: like that that's put in the air from these coal furnaces?
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a misconception. The Samus plant... was state-of-the-art technology
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: with the scrubbers understand exactly what you're saying because i
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: was around during acid rain and all that stuff too
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: but the technology that advanced what was coming out that
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: smokestack was dramatically different than it was back in the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: day you're talking about So we ripped down a perfectly fine,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: state-of-the-art coal plant because of Obama, Biden, the green energy people,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the war on coal. So they ripped down, listen to me,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: state-of-the-art technology on that plant. They ripped it down. They
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: shut it down. They regulated it out. Then they insisted
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: it be torn down so it couldn't be turned back on.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And they didn't have anything to replace the power it generated,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and they still don't.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, there was one right outside of Niles here.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: And you can always tell when the scrubbers were being used.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: It was early in the morning, like between 2 and 6.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: And then you could look out. People would be having
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: to be up and out moving. And you look, and
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: you see the cloud was all full when they were
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: cleaning out them scrubbers. And that plant shut down, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: they never came up with anything. They should have been
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: thinking about that instead of trying to screw the people
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: up in the state of Ohio for all that money.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: that they wanted to get off of us that they
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: got taken to court for. We're going to sit back
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: there because the only way you're going to get them
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: plants is if somebody, if the state or the federal
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: government comes in and says, here, we'll help you. Was
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: anybody going to help pay for my roof? No. I
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: just got to keep paying for them people so they
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: can make millions and billions of dollars.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, you probably don't use a lot of technology
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: because you're so old, right? I mean, you probably... Don't
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: even know how to use the internets.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes, I do.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Now, come on. You're telling me that you have Gmail?
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know what his name is. I just know
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: it's Gmail.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're telling me, though, that you use the internets.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Do you have a Pornhub account?
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Why would I need one of them?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just asking if you use the internets.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: I have the basic necessities. I don't need all that
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: other junk.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, just the basic necessities. I don't understand why
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: this is all there. I'm just afraid of the information
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: that's on my phone. Somebody possibly could get into that,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: and I try to set it up so it can't
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: be the best of my ability. That's all.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: All right. I mean, technology's happening, old-timer. You're not going
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to stop it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: I understand that. I understand that. I mean, my God,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: when we went from vehicles that were only getting 10,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: 11 miles to a gallon What do we got today? Yeah.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: You had 6,000 pounds of Detroit pig iron going down
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the road, and now it's less than 3,000 pounds. We
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: don't have carburetors. We have fuel injection, radial tires. I mean,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: look at the technology that we have today. And some
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of that technology that you talk about very well could
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: save your life.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: It has.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Robotics that we do in surgery and stents that can
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: be put in that way without evasive surgery and things
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: like that. It's amazing.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: I understand that, but what I'm saying is this data stuff,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: data stuff, data stuff. If it works best in cold areas,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: why aren't they running to North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Wyoming?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they are. I mean, you've got to be
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: located all over the country. I'm just saying we are
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: an ideal spot for this to be. Just keep that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: in consideration. We're the ideal spot. You're not going to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: have to worry about it. How much longer do you
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: possibly have?
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Good God, I don't know. Maybe a couple months. Maybe
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: a couple months with this data center burning.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: My brain out.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: It gets me all worked up there. My blood pressure
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: goes up. My cholesterol goes up.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: I know what you're talking about. And my wife over there,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: she's going, what? I know she's listening to you.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: She needs to learn how to roll with the punches.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: You're a good sport.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Don't be starting that now. Otherwise, I'll be the punching bag.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know. I enjoy your call. Thank you for
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: making it. Appreciate it. All right, NewsRadio 570, WKVN, you're
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: on the air.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Hey, Ron, good afternoon. What a gorgeous, gorgeous day out.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: It's phenomenal.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Perfect day to be off, and I've enjoyed it immensely.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: One takeaway that I came back with yesterday from listening
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: to Dave Thomas, I think he has bigger political aspirations
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: in his future. Or even if he doesn't have the aspirations,
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: I think he should. Because he's probably the most effective
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: elected representative that I can remember in my lifetime for
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: this area.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Why do you think I have him on almost once
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a week? I mean, that's the sole reason. In my
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: 41 years sitting at this radio station, I have never
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: seen a state representative working harder, doing more for people.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I can tell you this, over all my years working,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Most politicians, other than collect a paycheck, I can't think
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of anything they've done for me. Dave Thomas is the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: exception to that. He's phenomenal.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. I mean, there are other good ones. I mean,
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: I think Ralph Meacham does a fantastic job. You know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: I think he's actually..
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking state reps.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: Oh, state rep. Oh, yeah. State rep. It's not even
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: a contest. It's not even... oh, I don't know. Bob
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: Hagan was pretty darn good. That's a hard role model to.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Have to live up to, don't you think? You're smoking
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: weed with J.J. at this point in time, if you
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: actually believe that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: No. I'm from being facetious. He's one of the worst
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: representatives I can ever remember in my lifetime.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I just learned the meaning of that word the other day.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: You're being facetious when my wife calls me Einstein. She's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: being sarcastic, they say. I thought it was a compliment.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, she's being facetious.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right.
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: So in all honesty, I think he's just I hope
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: to God he has higher political aspirations because I would
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: love to see him at bare minimum, you know, treasurer,
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: auditor or something like that, preferably governor. I think he
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: actually is one of the few politicians, in my opinion,
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: that's actually trying to look out for his constituents the
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: way an elected official should. So kudos to him.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with that being said, though, take a look at DeWine.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: DeWine has screwed us out of $ 2 billion. Why on
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: God's green earth would you give data centers a break
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: so they don't have to pay sales tax? So Richard
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Pharmacist goes out and buys lumber for a new deck,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and you've got to pay it, but the data center
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to for all the materials it has to buy.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: This is ridiculous.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: Well, no, I mean, and you could have used that money.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: What's the number one issue? Property tax.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: That's the number one issue. You could have used that
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: to at least roll back some of the property tax.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: How about..
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: Instead, what's DeWine do? Dave Thomas works his tail off,
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: gets really good legislation to help address the property tax
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: stuff passed, and what's DeWine do? He wine item vetoes it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: He should be impeached.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And then he says, well, I kind of regret that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: But who's trying to solve this? DeWine puts a pause
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: on it when the information comes out, like it did yesterday.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Interesting timing. He puts a pause on it. And then
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I say to myself, hmm, but Dave Thomas is trying
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to make sure he can't unpause it. And that's what
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I love about Dave Thomas. Yep.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: No, I mean, it's just he's a breath of fresh air.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: So I just wanted to– I did want to say that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: That was the one big takeaway I had. I thought
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: G2' s commentary last night was spot on.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could listen to him talk when he's
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: talking about so much of the areas that we were
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: covering last night. It's just– it's absolutely fascinating.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: He's just so well-read. He's so well-read, so informed.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of life experience there. A lot of life experience.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: There's– There's that, but I mean, it's more than just
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: life experience. He actually, you couldn't know, have the knowledge
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: that he has without seeking it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: So, you know, it's, I try to keep, make myself informed,
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: but I don't have the time to be informed at
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: the level that he is.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: But it's just, you know, it's refreshing. Another thing that's
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: refreshing to hear is somebody that takes the time and
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: is so well informed about the world that he can
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: make very cogent opinions and, you know, He's another great
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: guest you have.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I reached the same conclusion. I said, boy, when I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: listen to G2, he makes Rich sound like a dummy. No.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: I never purport to know everything. I try to be well-read,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: but there's only so many hours in the day and
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: so much time in my schedule.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I'm teasing. Come on.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: Oh, I know. But, I mean, it's just refreshing. Those
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: two are particularly refreshing. One thing that does concern me
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: today is it looks like they've reached some type of
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: a framework to extend the ceasefire. But it doesn't include
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: why we initially started this fiasco, which was to get
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: Iran's nuclear program under control and get our hands on
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: that highly enriched uranium. If you keep picking that can
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: down the road, then what was the point of this
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: whole exercise? It then becomes an exercise in futility, in
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: my opinion.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: You defined it better than anybody I think could define it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And I stole your word. It's a quagmire. Isn't that
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the word you used?
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's... I've turned into.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I blame Trump. He should have never got into this
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: to begin with. This is a whole different realm. This
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: is a nation of 93 million people. And... They didn't
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: attack us that brought this on. It's a nation of
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: 93 million people, and I just think it's causing a
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: lot of economic devastation and potentially more. I was talking yesterday,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: and I would say this to you. Some of these
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: economic gurus are talking that you could see 6% inflation
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: in the second quarter. 6%. And when I look at
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: these commodities.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: We were under Biden, and that was only a couple
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: of years ago.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's 6% on top of your existing inflation.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: So prices just keep going up higher. And then when
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: they're talking about the people that follow this, if you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: read these people, there's basically an oil shortage. I mean,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: there is a major problem coming. I mean, I've learned
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: so much about oil. We have 375 million gallons, barrels,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I should say, in our strategic oil reserves. China has
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: one billion barrels. But we're all drawing on these barrels
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: to artificially keep prices low right now. Well, if you
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: stop doing that, what would the actual price be in
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the oil market? And what would gas be costing? Because
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: how long can you continue to do that? And then
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: they're saying, well, you got all of these things need
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to be refilled. It's it's not a good scenario.
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: Well, before the war, there was an oil surplus, which
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: is why prices were so low.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Stand by. Stand by. Stand by. Rich, the pharmacist, more
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of your calls. Be patient. Coming up. Stay tuned.
• 35:29
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• 35:32
  Speaker 1: One of the things when you're talking about G2, and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I would put this out to you that I find
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: troubling to me when people are talking about data centers
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff. The thing that I'm most
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: concerned about is that I'm a firm believer, as I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: turn into Art Bell, that this tick that bites you
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and you no longer can eat meat and you're repulsed
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: by it, it's just interesting timing. And I sincerely believe
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that that was created in the lab as well and released.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And it's a major problem. I mean, if you get
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: bit by it, your desire to eat meat is just vanished.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: And I think when you look at these nuts like
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Bill Gates and these people that try to prevent you
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: from having that type of disease, appetite for that meat
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff, they're anti-meat, and that would
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: surprise me if that was created. Would you agree with that?
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't know that it was created. I think
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: nature probably created it, sort of like the COVID virus
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: nature probably created, but then man can take and enhance it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: That's what Fauci was doing over in China, wanted to
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: escape from there. They're trying to increase its virility or
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: its ability to I don't quite understand sometimes why they
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: do that with such lethal pathogens, but apparently there's a
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: market for it and there's a demand for it, so
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: it gets done.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Lyme disease, like I say, that was a
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: lab created by, I think, the military over there in
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: New York, and it got off that island. Of course,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: they deny all of this stuff in Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: all to go after the enemies, and it gets off
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the island. And look at the mess that we have today.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I mentioned I had a cousin who died from Rocky
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Mountain spotted fever when he was bit by a tick.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: And now you're starting to read about a lot of
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: farmers that are out in tall grass. I mean, they're farmers.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: They get bit by this tick, and they can't even
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: eat their own beef that they're raising anymore because of
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the effect that it has on them. I just think
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of evil.
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of reports, too, of Chinese students here
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  Speaker 6: bringing in different things that can hurt our farm. Different viruses,
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  Speaker 6: crop viruses that could be devastating to agriculture.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: You know, bioweapons, agricultural-type weapons. That's been going on since...
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  Speaker 6: you know, the dawn of warfare. When they used to
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  Speaker 6: use smallpox, they'd take smallpox-infected bodies and catapult them over
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  Speaker 6: the walls in the cities that were under siege to
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  Speaker 6: spread smallpox. So it's not a new thing. You know,
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  Speaker 6: it's kind of reprehensible, but, you know, you're always, I guess,
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  Speaker 6: looking for an advantage over your opponent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but, you know, stuff like that gets out, and
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  Speaker 1: so that bio-warfare stuff, it never stops where they would
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  Speaker 1: like to think it stops.
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  Speaker 6: All right, Rich.
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  Speaker 1: Is that it?
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  Speaker 6: Take care, Ron.
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  Speaker 1: All right. We'll be back.
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  Speaker 4: From ABC News, I'm Michelle Franson. A possible draft to
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  Speaker 4: extend the ceasefire between the U.S. and Iran has been
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  Speaker 4: reached along with reopening the Strait of Hormuz. But final
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  Speaker 4: approval by President Trump and Iran's leader is still needed. That,
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  Speaker 4: according to Treasury Secretary Scott Besant at today's briefing.
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  Speaker 1: Everything depends on what the president wants to do.
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  Speaker 6: And President Trump is not going to make a bad
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  Speaker 6: deal for the American people, for the U.S.
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  Speaker 4: The continued blockade driving up oil and gas prices for weeks.
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  Speaker 4: The Commerce Department figures show inflation is up 3.8 percent
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  Speaker 4: from this time last year. A separate report finding more
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  Speaker 4: Americans are going hungry now at the height... than at
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: the height of the pandemic. ABC's Rebecca Jarvis has details.
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  Speaker 7: This new report from the New York Fed shows what
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  Speaker 7: they call a remarkable rise in food insecurity, especially among
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: those living paycheck to paycheck. And it's especially troubling because
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  Speaker 7: it impacts those with young children. Between late 2025 and
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: early 2026, there was a sharp rise in households reporting
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  Speaker 7: that they had to skip meals, use food banks, and
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  Speaker 7: rely on SNAP benefits or dip into savings to cover
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  Speaker 7: their gross which are now 2.9% more expensive than a
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  Speaker 7: year ago.
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  Speaker 4: New details about a CIA official who's arrested and accused
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  Speaker 4: of defrauding the government. ABC's Olivia Rubin says the case
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  Speaker 4: involves the discovery of gold bars and questions about this past.
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  Speaker 8: $ 40 million worth of gold bars were found inside the
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  Speaker 8: home of a former senior CIA official who's now accused
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  Speaker 8: of lying about his past. Federal agents say they raided
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  Speaker 8: the Virginia home of David Rush and uncovered more than
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  Speaker 8: 300 gold bars, along with millions of dollars in cash
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  Speaker 8: and dozens of luxury watches. Court documents describe Rush as a, quote,
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  Speaker 8: former senior executive service level employee with a top secret
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  Speaker 8: security clearance.
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  Speaker 1: ABC's Olivia Rubin. On Wall Street today, stocks ending up.
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