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Episode 1705 - Sunny Hostin Is The Devil · Drinkin‘ Bros Podcast

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[SPEAKER_06]: Well cooked to drink in throat.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well I'm gonna drink in bro's kids.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I got a wild Wednesday show for you here today.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All right, before we went on air, I heard and saw one of the craziest clips I've ever seen in my life.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We will get to that in a second regarding the view and sunny hosting.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I can't believe this is real.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It is not often that I've shocked like this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, we have it here today.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Dantany, you just got back from the funeral there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: How did everything go yesterday?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I was good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's an interesting thing to know a man for 10 years and know all the things he's done and it's another thing entirely to hear them all listed in an order like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sean was a very impressive person who only thought about other people.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That was the turn now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Paratroopers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: OK. Good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And again, sorry for your loss, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That fucking sucks.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, I was going over those numbers last night.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Thinking about it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: 50 people you've lost?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Jesus Christ.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Get her took personal question for you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Are you at the point where you just don't even want to answer the phone anywhere?
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[SPEAKER_06]: No.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, because no, I'll never be there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, every call, though, you would have to feel like every other call is going to be negative, where it's just like, Jesus Christ, how many people, you know?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there's a lot of negativity in the world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of us felt like, a lot of us feel like we're in a battle right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: you can frame people frame it different ways, good and evil, good people bad people strong people weak people whatever it doesn't really matter what it is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of people out there who are individually and collectively forces for good and we lose them sometimes and I you know if
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you frame it in the sense of a literal war, then when one of your buddies gets hit, you don't stop fighting your fight harder.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's the message that I would encourage people to have in a situation like this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know most people don't lose several dozen people and their lifetime until they're well into their 70s and 80s, but that's the reality of
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[SPEAKER_04]: more sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's a war that never stops.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it brings things into focusing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It means that you need to be ready for it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You need to keep fighting it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But you also need to take the time to transmit what you know and believe to the people that are coming next because otherwise the fight will end with you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's something that Sean always did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He always took the time to mentor younger people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's something I appreciated about him.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he was an awesome dude and he will definitely be miss Back to the cold open here at the top of the show with a crazy thing I've ever seen This was going on live in the background where we're doing the NFL show So we're kind of catching up on it here, but sunny hosting From the view just dropped a bomb shell live on air
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[SPEAKER_06]: It did not appear that anybody on the staff was aware of this, did not appear that any of her co-hosts were aware of this, and this is just all coming out right now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We all know who Sonny Hosten is, I think at this point, I don't know if her job is just to be controversial on the view, and that's what she's hired for.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it is.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Or maybe she's just a fucking retard.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And it's just that simple, but these days, it's getting tougher and tougher to decipher which is true in which it isn't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You also have to wonder what the potential is that this was a Steve Rantzesey moment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't imagine somebody would say something like that and public if it would like this, rather you're about to see if it weren't true.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But we've seen it before.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hillary Clinton talked about being under sniper fire when there's video of the landing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and there's no sniper fire, who is that dick hole on NBC that said Brian Williams said basically he was a space shuttle door gunner or something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, no man, you never did anything and they ran as easy to straight up lie about being at 9-11.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: People do it all the time and this is a crazy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is a legitimate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Those people are just like fame horse This is a legitimate crazy person.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not convinced what she's saying is even true If it's not that we're not fired from saying that all for saying this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she will get fired eventually If it comes out, it's not true.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know one way or the other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know anything about this case even But I am very curious to see
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[SPEAKER_06]: uh... i think the funniest thing would be if she just made it up by the look i actually know this case and i know the story this was the butcher of tombs and square park uh... and it was uh... has been a killer wife chopter up chopped up the body parts boiled the body parts and then fed them to homeless people
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[SPEAKER_06]: and it was a wild, wild case, it was a wild, wild story.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She's saying she's the life on air, much to the secret, I think that we're talking about Lindsey Clancy or something, much to the screen of her co-host here that she was the lone, hold-out juror on this and then eventually convinced everyone
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[SPEAKER_06]: to vote for reason of insanity the same way that's you know the Lindsey Clancy trial was going where they were trying to do that as well except for the lone holdout juror and that one was saying I don't give a fuck if she's insane or whatever she killed her fucking kids and she's going to jail you're not going to stop me
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[SPEAKER_06]: from voting that way and apparently, according to this, you all will play it for you guys.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She convinced the rest of the jury as the lone holdouts that they should give this guy a insanity and not send him in the jail or the death penalty or whatever play this clip here.
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[SPEAKER_07]: The insanity defense has been around in Massachusetts for 182 years.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So I think it's well established.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I thought, absolutely, that she was not criminally responsible by reason of insanity.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And the reason I felt that I feel so strongly about this holdout jurors, because I was a holdout juror.
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[SPEAKER_07]: In a case, in the Daniel Raccoitz case, I don't know if people remember it the butcher of Tompkins Square Park.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It was in 1991.
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[SPEAKER_07]: The guy who ate the victims?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It was, it was not jury.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was plain more.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I was.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And we never heard of this.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I was before I went to law school.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I would have never heard of it.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I would have brought it up.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I would have put it up at the Hot Topics meeting.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think everyone believed me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And then my producer looked it up.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm in the New York Times.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And apparently several jurors questioned afterwards said, one holdout juror was principally responsible.
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[SPEAKER_07]: A son for God, preventing them from returning a guilty verdict.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That was me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And it was because I saw clearly that he was psychotic.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He was in a psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He did not mean to kill her.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And once he killed her, he panicked.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He chopped up her body parts.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, boiled her body parts.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Try to commit the perfect crime and then figure out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you got this guy off and no, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But he bet, that's how much I believe in the insanity defense.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And he fed her body parts to the unhoused.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Excuse me, can I move over there?
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[SPEAKER_07]: But all that being said, it was so clear to me in the jury, and we were sequester for nine days, one jurid through a chair at me, they were so angry with me, but one by one I picked them off and said, what about this?
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[SPEAKER_07]: What about that?
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[SPEAKER_07]: And we ended up all 12 unanimously voting that he was not criminally responsible.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Just hungry.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He's in my issue with you.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And sad and anxious.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But he is still in a mental institution being treated.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_06]: What do you mean, treated for what?
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[SPEAKER_06]: For what?
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[SPEAKER_06]: A mental illness?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't give a fuck.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm sure this guy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the treatment for a mental illness, I believe, is a bullet in a brain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So they handled it in old yellow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It sure is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, better than him.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, not better than that dog.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Kill this fucking guy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, this is some batshit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's just insanity here, but like, everybody's going yard now online, and again, we're just catching up with this story.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But...
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[SPEAKER_06]: If the Spencer Pratt, for example, is talking about how this is how it starts with these crimes and then you convince yourself that these people can be saved or fixed, they're insane or whatever, no, you boil someone to death and then chop up their body parts and eat them and feed them to, she said the un-house, which I hate that fucking word so much because it is a made-up word.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly, but she said unhoused and it's like, stop doing this fucking bullshit with these words that are just made up like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's Orwellian nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But pull this guy up on screen here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Why does this guy need to to be in a mental institution?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Just go ahead and kill this fucking guy here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I think that's kind of where we're at right now where you're looking at these cases.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I thought I forget how long ago this was, I want to say 15, 20 years ago, this case was at this point, maybe a tad longer.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You can look it up, but what year was this?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he killed in dismembered to 26-year-old Dan Street at Monica Burl in New York City's East Village in 1989.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then when it actually got a trial, the trial was in 1991.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So he had to, this is insane.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Is this the same person?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they brought up the news article, a sunshine, I mean, I, again, I would be hard pressed to believe that the producers on the view would get this wrong live on air.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, she she the world she made the claim.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think the producers have anything to do with this well They I'm sure they're fact checking behind the scenes right same as like Luke is doing right now But even brought up the news article that had her name in it so it it seems like this well her new name a sunny host in which is confusing to me because I don't know her before the view
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I don't know I didn't know that she had a different name or a stage name or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_06]: A lot of people do and that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Even my wife, I mean the reason why she still goes by Jesse Wiseman is that's who she was as an actress and all that shit, her last name has changed in real life for Christ's sake, but yeah, as far as looking things up and all that other stuff, I don't care, we don't care with her,
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[SPEAKER_06]: As Sanchione isn't going to do it on national television.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I understand why she's going by Sonny Oston.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Little too on the nose for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why guess my question is she's so proud of her ethnic heritage.
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[SPEAKER_06]: With the ones where her parents were slave owners?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, I mean, the grandparents are one of us the more recent one, the one post slave owner.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, um, why would you change it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: People always give John Stuart, shit about that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did he change his name, too?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, his name is John Leibowitz.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And people have made fun of him about it over the years and he goes, oh yeah, it has to be because I don't want to use my Jewish name.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It couldn't be because I have a complicated relationship with my father.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right, John.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody fucking believes that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You jackass.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just say that you've picked a name that wasn't quite so vaguely.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No one gives you shit about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just stop lying about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But for him, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The fact that he lied about it makes a gay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: For her, somebody who is an identity politic person, through and through, like soup to nuts 100% that is who she is as a human being.
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[SPEAKER_04]: to have a name like, it'd be one thing to have the last name Jackson and change it to something African or something I guess.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But to have an ethnic last name and then change it to something, milk toast like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're a fucking poser, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're a fucking poser.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You want to skate through life without any of the fucking shit that you say you've been subjected to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and then say that you've been subjected to it later on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She grew up, rich, probably.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, she did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like fuck off dude, just like this other, this palestinian, uh, Rachel dols all that got out of this week, which is just hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll play that clip in a second.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Go to your DMs real quick here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Play the Spencer Pratt video.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think this topic is, and I know you guys just did this case on crime corner.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, Lindsey Clancy, but I think what he's talking about here is something that should be concerning as far as like TikTok videos and all this other shit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm talking about the dead internet theory yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, fuck dude, press play on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The hijacking of the maternal instinct didn't start with social media.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It goes way back to 1995 when she watched Dead Man walking as a teenager.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With that film plan to the sea that bile criminals deserve her heartfelt tears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't execute this man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can stop this from happening, sir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Dexter injected it with steroids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the prolonged conditioning that accelerated with the ascendance of the Bironic Hero.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got so cute with finding redeeming qualities and irredeemable villains, gone are the days of the true bad guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the cinematic Vanguard is in love with finding the humanity in the bad guy, telling the sympathetic origin story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Our parents had superheroes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have anti-heroes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're goddamn right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Breaking Bad was so brilliant, but it made us cheer on a narcissistic murderous criminal drug Kingpin who destroyed his family over money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When Tim Burton did Batman, the Joker was a lunatic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But now the Joker gets his own movie where he is the hero and the climax of the film is him murdering the orderlies at the asylum.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The arts dog walked us here over decades, with films in television that inverted the paradigm of normal virtue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cops are the bad guys, outlaws are the heroes, and manned, you see that manifesting in reality today.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What do you think about that statement?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think there's anything to suggest that Walter White was a hero.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what anti-hero means.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It means he's the protagonist, maybe, in a Hollywood sense, in a film sense, or a writing sense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But that doesn't mean that he's held up as a hero.
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[SPEAKER_04]: As a matter of fact, the anti-hero in Hollywood history is James Gandalfini as Tony Suprano.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's the best one that's ever been done.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the entire...
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[SPEAKER_04]: series all six seasons are basically making fun of how stupid arrogant and what do you call it self-centered he is that's the whole thing like yeah he's the boss yeah you're you're rooting for him to win the whole time but it puts on display that he's a piece of shit time after time he fucks his friends over he kills some of them same thing with um
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[SPEAKER_04]: with breaking bad Walter White's character starts out as a, I've got cancer, so I got to take care of my family case and by season two, he's a fucking killer, legitimate killer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he's somebody who isn't just that person, but becomes that person isn't just that person to serve his family anymore, which is what every sociopath tells themselves by the way, who has a family.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But instead, he's a person who brings that into his personal relationships now, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Threatening the people around him to some degree or at least being scary to him, which you shouldn't want.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't believe.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I look that part of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The anti-part anti-hero part of it, he said, is completely wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the fact that we've made dad's buffoons, 100% that started back in the 70s with all in the family.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess you could say it started back in the fifties with the honeymooners actually.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's always been the case.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think you could make the case that people were trying to destroy the American dad in the 1950s, I think it's just funny, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, there's been plenty of ditsy women over time during that period as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think people were just trying to make content that's funny for the most part, but there
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[SPEAKER_04]: like what what would the sentence be of Homer was smart it wouldn't be a common it would be canceled yes that's what it would be so i get it it makes sense uh...
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[SPEAKER_04]: But what are the big shows that make the criminals, the heroes?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Even when that's the case, let's say like the town, for example, the criminals are the protagonists in the heroes of the situation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's one guy who is a criminal, yes, but he's not as bad as the other guy, and you want the less bad guy to win.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The guy who's not just trying to murder everybody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's, I don't know, I think people were just trying, I think for the most part, it's just storytelling, frankly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that certainly there's there's always information operations by the left and Marxist globally to try to knock down American virtue institutions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no question about that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's going on every single day right now heavily influencing both Hollywood and social media.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But all this historical content, I don't think the sopranos was written to make
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't believe that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think the Simpsons were written to make dads look dumb.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the show doesn't exist if that's not the case.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So there's obviously some appetite for that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what about a Christmas story?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of a jackass, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's kind of a jackass.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I love that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But there's redeeming qualities about him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's still like, yeah, go fucking get that BB gun.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He talks shit and fucks with his kid sometime at the end of the day, tastes care room.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's pretty normal, I think.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But who would like you to this point?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Who are you rooting for in the sopranos?
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[SPEAKER_06]: At the end, were you working for Tony to get killed or to live on?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I don't know, I was, I was rooting to find out, which I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So no.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And for me personally, I thought if he would've gotten killed, it would've shown that all this was, you know.
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[SPEAKER_06]: the proper ending to a life that was horrifically led and all this other shit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Same with, at least with Breaking Bad, that was the ending.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Sorry to spoil this for you guys.
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[SPEAKER_06]: In case you've been away from television for the last 10 years, but with Breaking Bad, I was satisfied with the ending of that where I was like, okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I oddly, and I said this at the time that it was airing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I rooted for Walter Whites.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I rooted for Tony's soprano the entire time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I also wouldn't mind if they got away, but then also what does that say about me?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Now, especially after he killed the kid, right?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, all that was horrific, but like we still like this guy for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I mean, that's what I think makes a lot of TV compelling.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of confusing, you know?
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's what it kind of makes it entertaining.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But it at least, and I think, and I think this was what he was trying to get out.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We know this is false.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We know that this is scripted, and it's like, hey, this is a television show we're in for characters.
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[SPEAKER_06]: These are real people in real life.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The butcher, the fucking Lindsey Clancy, all this other shit, and like, I do not root for them whatsoever because I know it's real life.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Because it's a television show.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Somehow that changes my mind on who I root for and why, but I also think that's why the ending of Breaking Bad is more lauded than the ending of the sopranos.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We had an ending, the guy fucking died, he was a terrible person, and he lost everything because of it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I've never met Vince Gilligan, I haven't chatted with him about this, so I don't
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[SPEAKER_06]: he walked off where he walked off and he's nothing to look back on that and say, all right, cool.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Where his David Chase has changed his story over the years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought community was the best example of this of holding things in limbo at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So in community, the TV show which I mean Chase is like an, I'm not community, I'm sorry, modern family.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Modern community was not, community was funny though, but modern family was like, there's two dads.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And one of them is a fuckin' retard type of rope.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And one of them is a classic dad, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's Neil.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And classic dad is highly competent, confident.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe a bit of a boomer and some regards kind of out of touch with stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But he's never really hit the brunt of the joke.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and modern family for Edo Niels character is that he's having a deal with all these other fucking people for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's usually the brown of the joke.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like Jesus fucking Christ.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got a deal with this gay ass kid and these other fucking retards in the house.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought they did a really good job.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This plenty of wokeshit and here obviously, you got to have like a fucking adopted kid from Thailand or some bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: the the one of the running jokes in modern family are the two gay dudes getting offended by shit that wasn't real and then get made fun of for being offended by it the first place i thought this is one of the best written shows or it's uh... acts like no i have all time like a vault of all time just just because it's so it would have been so easy to make
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[SPEAKER_04]: producers and Hollywood people happy by just going full fucking homo with it and they made fun of that the whole time the whole series and they still have the dumbass dad which makes it comical they still have the overbearing and ditty and type a women that are funny to look at they've got the gay shit that's funny that you saw well a grace that dynamic was really funny um... it's like they took all the great
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[SPEAKER_04]: sitcoms from the 90s and early 2000s and made it into one show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's brilliant.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I, it's, if you enjoy that type of stuff, like it's, I wouldn't say it's necessarily a dude show or anything, but I know it's just a great plenty of dudes like it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's really funny.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And they, they were able, this is what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They were able to do all that shit that makes something entertaining without.
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[SPEAKER_04]: cow-towing to super-woke stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: As a matter of fact, they make fun of that all the time by making fun of their woken characters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's the best you can possibly do it to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I understand what Spencer's saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's not wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's more in film than television that that stuff happens.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a couple like the,
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[SPEAKER_04]: last couple of season of Grey's Anatomy with super woke.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But even they had strong male characters that weren't fucking possees and weren't woke, you know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's more in film.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's way more in film than it is in television.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's easier to get away with a one-off, pulling some weird shit, than it is to have like one weird or a half weirdness that goes on for a decade at a time or some shit.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I also think TV shows have a lot more time to develop characters, which is pretty important when it comes to the kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It is, yeah, because you're looking at a movie, you're looking at an hour and a half, two and a half hours, whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It should all use a film that you and I disagreed on last year with one battle after another.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I watched that movie, I felt bad for the left.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then I was rooting for Sean Pen and that fucking movie to kill everyone, right?
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[SPEAKER_06]: He was the guy that was kind of out there doing it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't care if that's a spoiler alert.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You should have saw the fucking movie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I want to ask her for Christ's eggs.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I was rooting for him to kill everyone and do his fucking job, which he did in the end of it, which I thought why you would enjoy it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, the government ends up killing him anyways at the end of the movie, or they're like, hey, thanks for your service.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Also, you've seen too much.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to fucking kill you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: As soon as he gets into the office that he wants that the end of the thing and I was like okay cool now all of Paul Thomas Anderson's movies, by the way Have done this to me as a writer director.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He writes and directs all of these.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I have rooted for the villain in every single one of these movies Sean Penn and this one Daniel DeLuis and there will be blood I think he did the master as well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I rooted for fucking Hoffman and
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to think of what it would ask the P.T.
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[SPEAKER_06]: it would ask the P.T.
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[SPEAKER_06]: it would ask the Paul Thomas Anderson do buggy nights buggy nights yeah buggy nights who'd you wrote foreign buggy nights the dick yeah
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[SPEAKER_06]: same thing and he did fucking horrific shit was an asshole all the other shit man and like he is a knack for doing it and what I love personally about him is not almost e-married to one of the best comedians on the planet in my erudoff he doesn't do press about any of the shit so we don't know the answers we really don't
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[SPEAKER_06]: He just lays it out and says, hey, who you're rooting for here?
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[SPEAKER_06]: And it's up to you, punch truck law was another one of these movies.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We were like, all right, like, who we rooting for in that movie?
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[SPEAKER_06]: But it has that carried over into real life, which is what's been surprising.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think there will be blood.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If there's a powerful character that has some kind of goal, you find yourself rooting for them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But one battle after another was not like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is not what it was.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Were you not rooting for Sean Penn to kill those people?
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[SPEAKER_06]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was rooting for everyone to die because everyone in the, this is the problem.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They, they portrayed a very realistic version of the left and a complete caricature of the right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That dude doesn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They just made it up, but all the characters on the left are all real people that you could point to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You might know somebody like that right now who behaves that way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If not, you could certainly list a couple.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You could list a couple that fucking retard what's his name, Chink Yugers, nephew, that's getting all the press.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's literally that guy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There is not a right wing version of that that's run it around.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So they took, this is the whole point of this movie.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's fucking propaganda, that's what I'm telling you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They took a real thing on the left.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They made up the analog for it on the right that doesn't actually exist in real life and they put them against each other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's fucking bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's why I thought that movie was terrible.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was hand-handed nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I was rooting for the guy to kill all those people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that part I didn't even really care about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I had, I don't know, I had lost so much interest by then.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that, whatever that black girl's name is, she is one of the worst actors I've ever seen in my life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's so bad at acting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously, the caprio, I would watch him fucking, he's great.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do anything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he's been a son of Toro.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Any genre of movie he's done horror, he's done comedy, he's done a,
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[SPEAKER_04]: fucking action, everything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's the best.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's, I mean, not the best, but he's one of the best ever.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's great.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That, uh, his, his wife and the movie is just not Regina Hall, Regina Hall's done plenty of good shit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She was, she was on Martin for Christ's sake.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
35:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, uh, uh, you're talking about Johnny Taylor in this chapter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Johnny Taylor, right, you're just such a bad actor that it completely took me out of the show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, that in the, how ham-handed Sean Penn's character was, is like, that's not a real guy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can't, you can't do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If we're trying to juxtapose something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: To make somebody root for somebody and it's a good idea.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a good idea to be able to do it But you have to have a real Right-wing villain and that's not who the right-wing villain is the right-wing villain actually if you want if it was anybody or the capital is villain It was anybody it's Sean Penn's boss at the end the guy that has him clipped right, but that guy's a minor character to the whole thing Sean Penn is like a fucking caricature that doesn't exist in real life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was my issue with it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think if they had had
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[SPEAKER_04]: somebody that was a bit more realistic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I might have been more into it, but it was just such a weird caricature compare.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If they had hyped up the lefty part of it, that maybe that would have matched the how ridiculous the whole thing was.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You didn't think it was funny when to Caprio was like calling up on the phone and they're asking for like the password or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And he's like a camera.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm too high.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're out.
36:54
[SPEAKER_04]: You're asking me about one scene of the best one of the best actors on the planet.
36:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course I thought that part was funny.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, no talk of the character.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The total.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The total.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is not a caricature.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Have you smoked weed?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can look at you and tell
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[SPEAKER_05]: that's a real thing well i mean i know that's a real thing but the idea that like there's like this crazy password and you have to go through it and like i don't know i thought that whole situation that scene was funny yeah i think it could be real on the left which is why i like that scene where i'm like hey dudes not password no i hate that on a daily basis now everything they talked about
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[SPEAKER_04]: with regard to the American left was accurate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Everything they talked about on the American right was fucking nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: None of those people exist in real life.
37:41
[SPEAKER_04]: It just doesn't exist.
37:42
[SPEAKER_04]: If they do, they themselves or caricatures on Twitter, but not out in real life.
37:46
[SPEAKER_04]: You've never run into a person anywhere close to that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not really a big Sean Penn guy anyways.
37:52
[SPEAKER_06]: I think he's...
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[SPEAKER_06]: him in this movie.
37:54
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's one of the most overrated actors of all time.
37:58
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand it.
37:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he went full retard, you're not supposed to say I am.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can throw that out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The action movies he's tried to do have not been good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The game is one of the best movies ever.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The problem with the game is you can't only watch it the one time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not one of those like even inception or some of these other thrillers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Even some Shyamalan movies you can watch multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The game once you figure out what the fuck's going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just wasted two hours of my life, but it was a very entertaining two hours.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But with Sean Penn, and this is where we're going to go back to here, and this is what Spencer Pratt said, that they started with Deadman walking.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I have not said that's a really good movie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I, same, but here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I've not seen that movie since the theaters in, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
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[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I forget when the movie came out, right?
38:45
[SPEAKER_06]: But to to Spencer Pat's points, you had Susan Sarandon reaching out, saying I'm going to help you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And this is one of the worst human beings on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Why do you feel any form of humanity for this fucking awful person?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a challenge, like from a writer standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How can I,
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[SPEAKER_04]: How can I get people who would otherwise hate this person to relate to them a little bit, even if it's just a little bit?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's an interesting project to take on.
39:14
[SPEAKER_06]: But is that bleeding over and sue our society and how we look at it just because somebody's a good actor or somebody's great at their job?
39:22
[SPEAKER_04]: I honestly, most I think it's a coincidence.
39:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
39:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that that's something that, um, because I think that was the crux of his whole argument.
39:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that something that we've, that, that authors have been trying to do for a very long time.
39:35
[SPEAKER_04]: The anti-hero thing didn't start with motion pictures.
39:38
[SPEAKER_04]: That's been going on for a fucking ever.
39:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the every one of the Greek gods as an anti-hero, are they not, every single one of them, to some degrees an anti-hero.
39:48
[SPEAKER_04]: That, like, some of the original writings we have are
39:54
[SPEAKER_04]: It can appear that way because we're looking at real-life policy of the word unhoused, for example, as it's nonsense.
40:06
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you're not unhoused because being housed is not the natural condition of mankind, being outside is your homeless.
40:15
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't have a home, but you live outside would be fine.
40:23
[SPEAKER_04]: There's certainly plenty of the victim blaming and leaning into victimhood and spending more time protecting criminals than protecting citizens.
40:36
[SPEAKER_04]: That goes on where you could see
40:39
[SPEAKER_04]: The two things next to each other and think, oh, one thing is driving the other, but I see no evidence of that.
40:43
[SPEAKER_04]: And the evidence that it's not driving one thing or the other, is that anti-hero stories have existed forever.
40:49
[SPEAKER_04]: We've always tried to uncomplicate complicated characters.
40:54
[SPEAKER_04]: What about the untouchables?
40:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Is Elliot Ness a hero or an anti-hero?
40:58
[SPEAKER_04]: He's using government power to fight something that every single human being listening to me right now believes was an unconstitutional law.
41:06
[SPEAKER_04]: So, was he a hero or an anti-hero?
41:08
[SPEAKER_04]: He was the cop in that, by the way.
41:11
[SPEAKER_06]: I hate to say it, but I was not rooting for Kevin Costner in this.
41:16
[SPEAKER_04]: That's because Robert and I were a better actor.
41:18
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
41:19
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
41:20
[SPEAKER_04]: But none of us went out and joined the mob after this.
41:25
[SPEAKER_04]: true and I very few people join the police either as a result of the untouchables it's just entertaining it's an entertaining story from a different time but there's been there's been so many so much written and recorded about anti-heroes and there's no way that there's no track on where you can see policy change because of it I just don't believe that or even public sentiment
41:51
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all, this stuff is all based in identity, like that kid that got stabbed and taxes.
41:59
[SPEAKER_04]: if you're a black liberal you think he was defending himself and you based that on the context of whatever it is maybe you grow up rough or maybe you've just bought into this fiction that black people under attack in America which there's no statistical basis for or if you're uh... right conservative you're like maybe the white kid was uh... defending himself and he got stabbed as a result or whatever the fuck
42:23
[SPEAKER_04]: People make these decisions based on identity identity identity that is the key in Marxism is identity It's why any time there's any kind of movement on the right that gets traction some fucking asshole
42:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Steps in, who is either paid directly and directly, or astro-terfed by Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea, comes in and be like, hey, you know what, that's American, but it's not quite as American as I am because my grandfather, great-great-grandfather, was here before yours, like, okay, man.
42:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, we got here six months apart and you were more American than me, and that fight is going on literally right now.
43:00
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you have all these, like, so cold,
43:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Christian nationalist, white-winged preachers today on Twitter who were talking about, we conservatives have to embrace socialism to win.
43:16
[SPEAKER_04]: No, right?
43:18
[SPEAKER_04]: These are foreign-funded astro-terf movements that happen and they target identity specifically.
43:25
[SPEAKER_04]: This is their whole point, right?
43:27
[SPEAKER_04]: They target identity specifically.
43:29
[SPEAKER_04]: When we are doing well, when people are purpose-driven,
43:33
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't think about their identity in terms of immutable characteristics.
43:38
[SPEAKER_04]: They think of their identity in terms of what they do.
43:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a person who does this and this and this.
43:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I serve my community, I serve my country, I serve my God, whatever it is.
43:47
[SPEAKER_04]: And when times are bad and I don't mean economically.
43:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean when we are fucked up as a people, people think of themselves as I'm white, I'm Christian, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a
43:57
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm this, my family got here before yours and you start ranking yourself.
44:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Does that sound like anything?
44:02
[SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like fucking DEI to me.
44:04
[SPEAKER_04]: It's right-wing DEI bullshit and it's just, it doesn't make any sense.
44:08
[SPEAKER_04]: You are what you do in life, the end.
44:11
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't, you don't have, it's genetic chance where you ended up.
44:16
[SPEAKER_04]: like to a large degree until relatively recently.
44:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Something like 85% of people had the same religion that their parents did.
44:24
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think the chances of that are?
44:26
[SPEAKER_04]: That's just how it goes, man.
44:30
[SPEAKER_04]: what you do in life is what ultimately defines you and that's why these bad actors will come in frequently and try to wedge themselves in between people who want to do the same thing.
44:39
[SPEAKER_04]: We all want our communities to do well.
44:42
[SPEAKER_04]: All of us because obviously even just from an evolutionary standpoint, we personally benefit when our communities do well.
44:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Right?
44:51
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's just how it works.
44:52
[SPEAKER_04]: So,
44:53
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that there's any correlation between this part of the media, telling anti-hero stories that has, by the way, been going on since we've had pens and papers because every Greek, could you agree with that?
45:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Every Greek God isn't anti-hero, there's no good guy, like none of them are good guys.
45:13
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no.
45:14
[SPEAKER_04]: They're powerful.
45:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're cuts, that's how it works, right?
45:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Just like every other powerful person.
45:23
[SPEAKER_04]: that didn't make people root for criminals back then, and ensure shit isn't doing it now.
45:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's completely separate issues.
45:29
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's hovering, he's on something.
45:31
[SPEAKER_04]: He's just like applying it to something that just doesn't have any relevance to it, my opinion.
45:35
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure anymore to be honest with you.
45:37
[SPEAKER_06]: What was the, was there any backlash for the ones that can't see the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
45:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I we might be an outlier.
45:48
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a surprisingly supportive fan base with crime corner weed.
45:52
[SPEAKER_03]: We get very good.
45:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but this crossover and the ratings were fucking massive.
45:56
[SPEAKER_06]: And I asked Jesse when she got home, I go, hey, I think personally.
46:01
[SPEAKER_06]: She was teetering of whether to do that.
46:03
[SPEAKER_06]: And I said, I think you guys are on the right side of history.
46:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Where
46:07
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's take the OJ case, for example, which I brought up on Ross Page from Revolutionary today.
46:11
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a dude.
46:12
[SPEAKER_06]: There was a lot of people at the time that were ants to see him not guilty, and then years later they were embarrassed.
46:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Whether they were like, oh shit, I wish there wasn't videos and me celebrating in all those other shits.
46:21
[SPEAKER_06]: I think the same thing is going to happen with this case.
46:24
[SPEAKER_06]: I really do.
46:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Sonny Hoston coming out here today and bragging about it.
46:29
[SPEAKER_06]: That she was the holdout juror in one of the worst cases.
46:34
[SPEAKER_06]: I've ever heard is nuts to me.
46:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Think about that too from that perspective.
46:40
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, how do I make this about myself?
46:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
46:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's exactly what I thought.
46:47
[SPEAKER_06]: How do I make this about myself?
46:49
[SPEAKER_06]: And she did.
46:50
[SPEAKER_06]: But here's the thing.
46:53
[SPEAKER_06]: One of the biggest trials in the last 40 years, and she was the one who flipped the entire jury on that.
47:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's what she says.
47:01
[SPEAKER_04]: My guess is there gonna be some other jurors who come out who were like, I didn't know who that was.
47:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even realize it was her until she just said something and that was definitely not how it went down.
47:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm that part I'm excited for because again, this was before she got famous before she had a job before she went to law school for Christ 6 and she was a sunshine, whatever her fucking last name was, but yeah, washing that today, I couldn't fucking believe it.
47:29
[SPEAKER_06]: I really comment was, I
47:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I was stunned, absolutely fucking stunned, and as we continue throughout this, well, I guess all these cases to be honest with you, Luigi's another one, somebody else who brought that up today, I think was Bill Burr.
47:47
[SPEAKER_06]: But Burr, Burr was on a podcast named brought up Luigi, Manjiani and how people were rooting for this guy and they have the healthcare system and all this other shit.
47:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, the more and more you keep saying that in interviews, the more and more people are going to want to go out and do it, obviously.
48:03
[SPEAKER_06]: So not really, I am to about that.
48:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe, I mean, the left is inherently violent.
48:10
[SPEAKER_04]: They have been for a long time.
48:11
[SPEAKER_04]: This is nothing new.
48:13
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been going on.
48:15
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say at a minimum since the middle part of the 19th century, but...
48:23
[SPEAKER_04]: He's also, Manjoni is also an effigy for the frustration people have with institutions in your United States that have been taking advantage of them.
48:32
[SPEAKER_04]: That is, none of that excuses celebrating the murder of some dude who just happens to have a job somewhere.
48:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, that's not the case, but
48:44
[SPEAKER_04]: People are looking at their, for example, they look at their health care has gone up by 700% in the last few years.
48:52
[SPEAKER_04]: And our human brain is like, well, somebody's responsible for that.
48:57
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not really true, by the way.
48:59
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a million somebody's.
49:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Mostly the government, actually, mostly Obamacure is responsible for it.
49:04
[SPEAKER_04]: But bureaucracy on top of bureaucracy on top of bureaucracy, it's why.
49:08
[SPEAKER_04]: I plead with you all the time, I know it sounds like preaching sometime, but I plead with you to take back some of the fucking responsibility for stuff so we can start doing things on our own because it is the nature of bureaucracy to do this.
49:29
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the typical human response.
49:31
[SPEAKER_04]: A guy builds a shitty building, one guy, and we're like, fuck, now we need to have somebody to regulate that.
49:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Even if it's just a very small minority, and that's true, that it's only a very small, small minority of people who have ever gotten hit for doing that stuff based on the number of total building structures, houses, especially built.
49:52
[SPEAKER_04]: But then you have to set up an entire industry and then year after year goes by and now over a quarter of home costs are fucking regulations that you cannot get past.
50:00
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no fucking shortcut to it.
50:02
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no way to get around it.
50:04
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no like smart business plan you can develop to break into that market.
50:07
[SPEAKER_04]: You got to pay the government 26%.
50:09
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it, right?
50:11
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's how it works every single goddamn time.
50:14
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's usually the case.
50:17
[SPEAKER_04]: It's usually bureaucracy, lay it on top of bureaucracy.
50:21
[SPEAKER_04]: We're looking for a villain.
50:23
[SPEAKER_04]: that this is the problem with our current political discourse.
50:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody's looking for a fucking boogie man, a villain, and juxtaposer looking for a hero as well.
50:34
[SPEAKER_04]: None of those people exist.
50:35
[SPEAKER_04]: There are some genuinely good and some genuinely bad people that participate in politics, but there's no villains and there's no heroes.
50:42
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not real people.
50:43
[SPEAKER_04]: They're just bureaucrats.
50:44
[SPEAKER_04]: They're fucking turds.
50:46
[SPEAKER_04]: They're just layer fucking regulations, stack it on top of each other until you can't afford to do anything anymore.
50:53
[SPEAKER_04]: and tell people recognize this.
50:57
[SPEAKER_04]: And start to peel back the layers of bureaucracy and only you can do it.
51:01
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no government that will ever be able to do it.
51:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Then it's just going to keep stacking on top of each other and things will get it's like playing Djenga at some point the fucking households down.
51:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and that's what people, that's why people look at Manjoni.
51:13
[SPEAKER_04]: They see an anti-hero, because the system is a villain, and they found a guy, this dude he killed, wasn't him brining something, this dude he killed is an effigy for that system that's the villain.
51:27
[SPEAKER_04]: And Manjoni is an effigy for their revenge on the system.
51:30
[SPEAKER_04]: That's really all it is.
51:32
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's
51:34
[SPEAKER_04]: It's bad for your mental health to be honest, not to realize the way things are in reality.
51:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I think, and it's driving people crazy, because they're looking for heroes that aren't really there, they're looking for villains that don't actually exist.
51:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Like Trump gets elected, and there's a lot of people.
51:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm enthusiastic about a lot of the stuff he does, less so about some of the stuff that's how it goes.
51:57
[SPEAKER_04]: But there are some people who just thought all more problems were over now.
52:01
[SPEAKER_04]: because Trump won, okay, that's definitely not true.
52:06
[SPEAKER_04]: And when Trump leaves, people will think, oh, we're fucked now, and that will be true either.
52:11
[SPEAKER_04]: It'll be up to you, whether or not we're fucked.
52:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I agree.
52:15
[SPEAKER_06]: Play this clip from Bill Burr doing this rolling stone interview.
52:20
[SPEAKER_01]: you know this whole thing that you know we live in a world where like if somebody tells their version of the truth of what's going on and and and especially if it is true like they they have to like you know it's like they're trying to escape rush in the 80s it's insane and it's like I thought this was like this is an American company what's going on here and they they they all seem to function like the CIA which is really sort of like
52:46
[SPEAKER_01]: indicative of that you kind of doing something wrong.
52:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean if you look at all of this stuff like the response to the Luigi thing was not to be like well hey maybe we need to look at what we're doing if what we're doing makes some crazy person do this their response was to take their faces off of the internet and get security.
53:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you don't think you need to examine
53:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
53:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you're not the president.
53:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just to see you of a business.
53:16
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I mean, that's a hard one to reconcile right there.
53:20
[SPEAKER_06]: It really is.
53:21
[SPEAKER_06]: To your point, what you said earlier, normal guy works not a job.
53:24
[SPEAKER_06]: We're walking down the streets.
53:26
[SPEAKER_06]: It's fucking murked it.
53:27
[SPEAKER_06]: What's 630 in the morning or whatever it is, like for what?
53:30
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, Bill Burr's a man that gets paid to be edgy.
53:33
[SPEAKER_06]: It says what he's doing.
53:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Even this though, this seemed like a pretty laid-back interview.
53:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what he gets paid for.
53:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Everything you do in public is a branding opportunity.
53:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's a tough one though, man.
53:45
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you're going that hard.
53:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm not saying I'm murdered.
53:50
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying he's saying, hey, we should ask more questions.
53:53
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying he doesn't believe what he's saying.
53:56
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not what I mean.
53:57
[SPEAKER_04]: What I'm saying is he gets paid to be edgy.
54:00
[SPEAKER_04]: And, um,
54:03
[SPEAKER_04]: any opportunity he gets.
54:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's become his personality.
54:07
[SPEAKER_04]: How many times have we seen that?
54:09
[SPEAKER_04]: It starts as your character on a show or a stand-up and it becomes your actual personality.
54:15
[SPEAKER_04]: How many people think they're tough guys or cowboys because of TV?
54:21
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a lot of people who think that their tough guys or cowboys, like Ron Pearlman started to think he was one of the sons of anarchy, and he's not, he's a fucking pussy.
54:30
[SPEAKER_04]: It's never been in a fight in his life, so he's like trying to play his character on Twitter to learn and really make people, he's like, she shows up on my gosh, I'm glad that he likes motorcycles.
54:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure they're fun.
54:47
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I'm not really, it's not really my thing, but yeah, this is just become his personality at this point and it never turns off and it's kind of tedious to be honest.
54:57
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I guess it's, if he just does jokes, it's funny sometimes.
55:02
[SPEAKER_04]: He's, he went from being like 80, 20 funny now.
55:05
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like maybe 50, 50, but that happens as you get older as a comedian to it's really
55:17
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, especially these old memes and everything like that is just a completely different world, and meme comedy You got to know like 30 different things for the joke to make sense.
55:25
[SPEAKER_04]: So a guy like that's never gonna get into the new style like clip comedy and stuff But He's that wrong that I mean, I just went on a several minute Discussion about what that murder meant I think there's yeah, I mean, I don't know if I if I have any questions to ask about it per se, but there's certainly a conversation to have about it because it is
55:46
[SPEAKER_04]: The fact that it happened is a signal, it's a signal, it's like a pain signal in society that people that it happened in the first place and that people thought,
56:00
[SPEAKER_04]: that it was even a marginally appropriate to celebrate the guy is a pain signal, right?
56:08
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a fucking sore muscle, it's an upset stomach for society, something to look at.
56:15
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if that's what he meant by asking questions, I think that's a fair thing to say.
56:19
[SPEAKER_04]: But if you're trying to say that people shouldn't should
56:26
[SPEAKER_04]: that CEO should be afraid, which I think he did actually mention, then that's maybe you should be afraid bill.
56:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you're saying things that I think are contributing to the degeneracy of our society right now when it comes to just Americanism and American politics.
56:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe I think if you try to justify weaponizing violence against businesses because they're doing things at the government told them they should do instead of just, you know, I don't know, telling people to take action and peel back to bureaucracy, which is the appropriate measure.
57:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you're a threat now.
57:03
[SPEAKER_04]: right?
57:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you shouldn't feel safe.
57:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you should feel afraid.
57:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Those things cut both ways and that's a fucking stupid thing for him to say, especially when he has no capability of defending himself whatsoever, as you can tell by looking at him.
57:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I agree, man.
57:15
[SPEAKER_06]: And when you see clips like this, you're like, I'd cool, but what happens if that switches?
57:20
[SPEAKER_06]: And then it comes after you.
57:22
[SPEAKER_06]: What happens if that narrative switches, and then they come after you?
57:25
[SPEAKER_06]: What are you going to do about it?
57:27
[SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know that answer.
57:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you know,
57:32
[SPEAKER_06]: It's been a long time since one of these famous dudes has been killed versus the people who create the fame themselves, like Luigi or the butchers.
57:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, it's not that.
57:43
[SPEAKER_04]: It was last year that Charlie Kirk got killed.
57:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but, oh, yeah, actually you're, you're right.
57:51
[SPEAKER_06]: And I was trying to think about the, the Reiner case.
57:53
[SPEAKER_04]: It hasn't been anybody on the left killed by anybody their own children.
57:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep, yep, yep, or even attacked.
57:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing like that happens to the left.
58:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and he's asking, by the way, he's asking for money from his parents to get a lot of team.
58:09
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's an interesting legal case, actually.
58:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Because how far does presumed innocent go?
58:18
[SPEAKER_04]: that's a good question, I think that's a really interesting question, what pleaded he entered was it just not guilty, not guilty, reason of insanity is drugs were changed by the doctor.
58:37
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's a separate issue then for me personally, I don't think by reason of insanity is a
58:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I personally don't either, but when I look at this and by the way, I've got friends who have snapped because of massive head injuries and done some really bad things and every one of them has killed themselves afterwards.
59:04
[SPEAKER_04]: And to me, that's the critical part of that equation.
59:12
[SPEAKER_04]: If you snap that hard and do something horrible and then come back to your senses, I think
59:21
[SPEAKER_04]: end it right there.
59:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Because maybe they snapped or maybe it was the weight of it was too much.
59:26
[SPEAKER_04]: If you go on some fucking spree and kill a bunch of people, especially your own family, because of this or that and the other thing, whatever the fuck you think happened to you, then turn the lights off.
59:36
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's my recommendation.
59:40
[SPEAKER_04]: And if somebody doesn't do that, I'm very suspicious, frankly.
59:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I'm almost shocked that I didn't answer or ask that question, excuse me, on the view.
59:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Where, all right, greats.
59:50
[SPEAKER_06]: If you feel that way about this, how do you feel about Nick Riner's situation and him killing his parents and their sleep?
59:59
[SPEAKER_06]: What's the verdict then?
1:00:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Because he's asking for the exact same thing by the way, insanity.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And that's, you know, psychosis and all that other shits, uh, Bluec you can look this up, but Henkley's out after all these years.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And he made a weird fucking statement the other day about it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That whole thing about trying to kill Roddle Reagan, um, was an attempt to get Jody Foster, the actress, to, uh, follow him and love, fall in love with him and all that other shits.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then it didn't happen, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, they let him out of jail.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We did the, I mean, I forget how long ago it was.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We did them the show, but he was having trouble getting gigs at like Starbucks, playing music and shit like that, yeah, John Hinkley Jr. And then he did an interview where they asked him specifically about the Jody Foster thing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it was like,
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[SPEAKER_06]: All right, what's this going to be like hey am I going to be completely crazy, whatever and like part of it was crazy and then there was a couple answers that I was like I don't know that I'm really satisfied with that should this guy have gotten out of fucking jail Yeah, I mean What does he say here he says he wishes her well?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Here's here here's the thing boys And I say boys because if you're a woman watching this
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[SPEAKER_04]: you shouldn't be, all right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just just knock it off, put that, now bring that back up, bring that back up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the criminal justice system,
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[SPEAKER_04]: is not designed to rehabilitate people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is not what it's for.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is not the purpose of the criminal justice system.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The criminal justice system is designed to keep assholes away from the rest of society.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is its purpose.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, if we're able to,
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[SPEAKER_04]: rehabilitate some people in the process and there've been many cases.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's plenty of fucking former drug dealers and bangers out there who are now trying to keep kids from getting into that same life and I'm glad for those people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're good people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have friends that have been in prison for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A. E. G. Gregorov is one that owner of TOE Hold, who have turned into, let's say, better people, let's say good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But better people and definitely do a lot of community work to help people out and keep them out of the same stupid bullshit they got into and I'm very grateful for that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm grateful for it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a great thing that it happens.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is not the purpose of the criminal justice system.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we need to stop thinking about it that way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have all these conversations about the conditions and whether or not people are being rehabilitated properly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If we can do that, that is a very nice added bonus.
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[SPEAKER_04]: However, the purpose is to keep dangerous people away from innocent people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Period.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is the purpose of the criminal justice system.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it should be prioritized.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I say that because of somebody's fucking crazy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There must be some massive hurdle for them to get over before we accept them as not crazy, something big, and it's not time, by the way, because time doesn't cure mental illness.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: As a matter of fact, drugs don't either.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So what is it then?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a fair question.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's one worth exploring, but it's not one worth taking a chance on, and sending people back onto the streets so they can kill innocent people, which is what fucking happens.
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[SPEAKER_04]: maybe he does.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He probably strangles cats now, that's easier to get away with.
1:03:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, something's fucked up there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's like, there's no way this dude's living a normal life after this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: However, the purpose of this isn't some science experiment to see if we can release somebody back into the wild and they're not bite somebody again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's to keep dangerous people away from innocent people.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is what we should prioritize.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the fact that we currently don't is wild as hell to me.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I should be on parole boards, every one of them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll make the time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I'm looking at this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He was the top story of the other day, and in regards to John Henkley here, he started a podcast.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He'd shock, and he was saying, yeah, I would love to have Jody Foster on his a guess.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Not a fucking prayer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm sure she's not a fucking prayer What's going to do this this Reagan happening surviving relative's I think I think one of his kids on his whole life is this as a kid's whole life or did he die one of them just died recently, but He's got to have Yeah, Ron stole live.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay
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[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, he just said, look, I'm tired of the boring podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Guess, and I'm ready to get real with some fucking people here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, Jodie Foster wants to come on the pot.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It'd be great, we could talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: what?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Why is this guy out of fucking jail?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm stunned by that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Let alone, you know, he can't get a gig at Starbucks playing acoustic guitar and now he wants to be a podcast host here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, yeah dude, I don't know what's going on, but he also said that he thinks he turned
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, did he actually actually set that fucking way?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And this guy, listen, this guy shows this right now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, John says he thinks that he turned Jody Foster in a lesbian when he shot President Reagan and three others, obviously including White House Press Secretary James Brady back in 1981.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And this is one of the many topics he's going to discuss on the podcast, he says.
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[SPEAKER_06]: is that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So why is this guy at a fucking jail right now?
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's nuts to me.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You could have fucking killed that guy and moved on with their lives.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't even find one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like even at his parole board hearing, you could have said, all right, all right, Henkley, what are you going to do when you get out?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to start a podcast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me just ask you one more question.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to invite Jodie Foster on the answers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you get the fuck back in your cell.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You idiot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh god, it doesn't seem like it should be that difficult to determine if somebody's a nut job or not No, that's obviously nut job behavior
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[SPEAKER_06]: But let me pose a bigger overall question at the end of this year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We've got the mid-terms coming up.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I talked to another very, very prominent network about how to handle this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Obviously things aren't going well on the economy and all that other shit right now, right?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Not a lot for Republicans to get excited about to go out and vote.
1:06:46
[SPEAKER_06]: However,
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[SPEAKER_06]: The other side is, you know, what's being painted in every commercial is that it's so crazy and all this so they're shit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Does any of this come in a factor here or no?
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[SPEAKER_06]: It should.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you should be reasonable enough to know the facts of the case.
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[SPEAKER_04]: that yes you can't vote you can't vote your way out of what's wrong with us right now there's a way there's a whole other silo of work that needs to be done to address the things that are wrong wrong with American culture and the American government right and it happens by taking power away from them the only way to do that is by assuming it yourself that's it however
1:07:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Just because you can't vote your way out of something, doesn't mean you can't vote your way into something far worse.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is definitely true.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And in case you weren't alive from 21 to 25, it was rough, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, whatever is happening right now with dumb decisions making gas prices more expensive.
1:07:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Or if you consider it to be dumb, some of them are dumb, some less so, but that's debatable.
1:07:44
[SPEAKER_04]: But whatever is happening right now with energy costs,
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[SPEAKER_04]: you cannot compare it to being locked down by force by being by having your bank accounts frozen by blah blah blah blah, by fucking blah man there's so many things that happen during the Biden administration by Christian conservative people getting investigated because of their religion.
1:08:05
[SPEAKER_04]: which should you would think that probably pretty much be off the table all this weird shit happened during the Biden administration.
1:08:14
[SPEAKER_04]: They got perilously close to normalizing cutting kids dicks off.
1:08:19
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they got real close, boys, and it's kind of you don't think they're going to fucking press the gas next time.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, hey, woke one with a little too far, woke two.
1:08:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's what woke two is.
1:08:30
[SPEAKER_04]: It is the inflation reduction act.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like here's what we do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Green New Deal, and we're going to change the name.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now it's good.
1:08:41
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what woke to is.
1:08:43
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just a rebranded fucking turd that don't like, of course it's better to vote for fucking Republicans as bad as they suck.
1:08:52
[SPEAKER_04]: And we have pretended like this is the solution, or these are the options, the best of two bad options.
1:09:00
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what we think, the devil you know, however you want to phrase it.
1:09:05
[SPEAKER_04]: As if that's the only option, the only option and a third party is not.
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_04]: This has been the other lie that we've told ourselves that there's some third party that's gonna arise and save us all from this.
1:09:15
[SPEAKER_04]: The fact that there's two parties has not the issue, the issue is that we have subjugated ourselves willfully to the government and every regard.
1:09:25
[SPEAKER_04]: We've asked them for help over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've accepted their help and along with their help, we've accepted all their fucking rules and regulations and all this other bullshit and the fact that they can reach into your wallet anytime they want.
1:09:37
[SPEAKER_04]: These are two separate issues.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Republicans are better than the Democrats that is objectively true if you're a reason what you're in being.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's also objectively true that even if you vote for Republicans, you have all the work left to do.
1:09:50
[SPEAKER_04]: All that work is left for you to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So choose the one that's purgatory and not hell because hell's quite a bit hotter and then work your way out of purgatory on your own by yourself with your community.
1:10:01
[SPEAKER_04]: those are the options.
1:10:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Those are the real options.
1:10:03
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not just about voting for Republicans over Democrats and hoping for the best.
1:10:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Hope is not a game plan.
1:10:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Folks, come on.
1:10:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not trying to preach to them.
1:10:12
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to fucking hold a mirror up to you and say, hey, do you really think that you're going to vote for a Republican and they're going to save the day?
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_04]: You know that's not true.
1:10:22
[SPEAKER_04]: So then what is your option?
1:10:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Your option is to say, well, fuck it.
1:10:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to vote or I'm going to vote and do nothing and then that's just the way it is or you're going to actually
1:10:31
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll do something.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, same, but yesterday, for example, we did the show called the Dead Internet Theory while you were gone and you wonder if any of this shit is real on the Internet and if people get fed up with it.
1:10:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, there was a lot of fucking comments, a lot of DMs all of this shit today.
1:10:52
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll give you the biggest one that pops up for me.
1:10:54
[SPEAKER_06]: They said, hey, do you believe any of this shit in Texas?
1:10:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, thank you for sending this to me.
1:10:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Ironically, after the show, I think it was me and Koop.
1:11:03
[SPEAKER_06]: We had a call with another prominent conservative podcast and group won't say which one it is.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I said, hey, are you guys worried about what's going on in Texas, for example?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right now.
1:11:15
[SPEAKER_06]: They've got Taloreco up by six over Ken Paxon, and they've got for governor, this Gina and Joseph up by three points there over Abbott.
1:11:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, we've seen the polls that were wrong before, including Hong in Wisconsin.
1:11:33
[SPEAKER_06]: These polls could certainly be wrong, but this would also inject
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[SPEAKER_06]: fucking blood into this fuck this this dead internet theory where you're like oh man nothing were reading his real or falcer or or or true or any of the shits here.
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_06]: What do you make of that?
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Um yeah, there's a there's a there's a massive
1:12:01
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say probably somewhere in the two to four hundred billion dollar range funded both privately and by government entities, influence operation going on the U.S. right now.
1:12:13
[SPEAKER_04]: You can see it everywhere you go.
1:12:15
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you've seen some of it peeled back, you know about the sorrow stuff.
1:12:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorrows goes around doing legitimate legal stuff, technically based on our current laws.
1:12:25
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like it, you don't like it, but there's Citizens United made it legal.
1:12:30
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, you can blame fucking Mitt Romney for that, because he's the one that was fucking sick.
1:12:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Corporations are people, my friend.
1:12:36
[SPEAKER_04]: The, the loop holes that that opened up for political spending,
1:12:41
[SPEAKER_04]: it's over for that like it's somebody's going to have to challenge that legally at some point and then both sides are going to have to agree not to spend money on politics that way and good luck with that bullshit, right?
1:12:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Roy Neville sing them on the other hand.
1:12:53
[SPEAKER_04]: That's why there's palettes of bricks anywhere there's a protest.
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_04]: He's doing like very illegal shit and you've seen some of it we talked about some of it but
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_04]: News organizations have put together quite a bit of the web for him.
1:13:11
[SPEAKER_04]: And you can see a lot of it at it's on its face now.
1:13:14
[SPEAKER_04]: It's very interesting to see it on its face now, how the money moves around and stuff.
1:13:19
[SPEAKER_04]: But aside from just those two guys, there's also direct money being spent by foreign governments, China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran, specifically those.
1:13:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll give you the short version, something my buddy Ryan Moro who's been on the show before broke relatively recently and it's gotten plenty of traction and they're coming after them for it, basically Russia a couple of years ago formed.
1:13:46
[SPEAKER_04]: a 100-plus person's super-group, full of the top people for siabs, active measures, as they're called, etc.
1:13:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Alexander Dugin, who is a fucking Marxist from Russia who talked about, is in the leadership, Victor Bout, who's constantly on Alex Jones show now the merchant of death guy, the one that Lord of Wars based on the one we traded for the whatever that thing is, is constantly on Alex Show, he's a
1:14:17
[SPEAKER_04]: They formed a media advisory board and then they published it and the first name on that media advisory board was you guessed it Tucker fucking Carlson They removed it 11 days later because you have to register as a foreign agent under far within 10 days If you're on a list like that and Tucker is retarded and has the worst timing in history because the day that he beyond the board was published
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_04]: his all of his guitar stuff went viral the fact that his whole network was funded by a guitar guy went viral and he had to issue a statement denying being a foreign agent but it's very clear he was frankly I'm perfectly happy saying that because here's all the you can go to Ryan Moro MAU RO's Twitter account and see all of this shit and I see it and I believe he's the one that did the reporting um there is Ryan has released documents exposing
1:15:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Whitting what he calls withing agents, people that are aware that they are doing work on behalf of Russia, and they include Tucker Carlson, Andrew Napolitano, and Jeffrey Sachs.
1:15:21
[SPEAKER_04]: And those, all this stuff has been released over the last couple of days, you can go look at it.
1:15:26
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all there.
1:15:27
[SPEAKER_04]: We are under attack from information operations in this country, like I was talking about before, anytime the right wing gets traction.
1:15:36
[SPEAKER_04]: the question gets asked well what kind of right wing are you and we've gotten to the point now we're having a debate about whether or not we as the right should engage in socialism to maintain our power what are you fucking talking about this is this is completely off the table this would have gotten you laughed out of any room before
1:15:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Some of the other people, former CNN Rick Anchor Rick Sanchez, XCI analyst Larry Johnson, also on the board, Napolitano's on the board.
1:16:11
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, there's this, this, this honeypot name, a lizard with Lane, who's all over Twitter now, who's a direct Russian cutout as well.
1:16:20
[SPEAKER_04]: They are spending billions and billions of dollars to try and people were like, that whole thing over the last two years about the Jews and all this like rise in anti-Semitism.
1:16:33
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not about the Jews and it's not about Israel.
1:16:35
[SPEAKER_04]: It's about dividing the American right.
1:16:37
[SPEAKER_04]: American evangelicals are the most supportive group.
1:16:41
[SPEAKER_04]: of Israel to include American Jews, by the way, of any group in America, and they are almost exclusively on the American right.
1:16:47
[SPEAKER_04]: As a matter of fact, they make it about half of the American right.
1:16:50
[SPEAKER_04]: So how can you divide them from all the rest of the American right?
1:16:54
[SPEAKER_04]: You convince some people on the other side of the American right that Israel's the problem.
1:16:58
[SPEAKER_04]: The Jews are the problem more specifically, because you can get away with saying Israel's the problem.
1:17:02
[SPEAKER_04]: But if you say Jews are the problem, now the Evangelical is like, nope, I don't support that.
1:17:06
[SPEAKER_04]: And the right to not support it, because it's bullshit.
1:17:10
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the divide.
1:17:11
[SPEAKER_04]: You see all these people who have been characters in media over the past five years or so, they were just characters.
1:17:20
[SPEAKER_04]: They're entertainers, right?
1:17:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Who have been on the American right because that was the out group.
1:17:25
[SPEAKER_04]: They were the ones under attack by the government for the most part.
1:17:28
[SPEAKER_04]: They were the one like Trump has been under attack.
1:17:31
[SPEAKER_04]: So you can fucking be under attack too if you're just a Trump guy.
1:17:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a Trump guy.
1:17:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I voted for him three times.
1:17:37
[SPEAKER_04]: and I'm under attack, no you're not, Trump's under attack, you're not, nobody's fucking attacking you.
1:17:41
[SPEAKER_04]: You're not a Catholic mom somewhere, right?
1:17:43
[SPEAKER_04]: You're some white dude and closet pretending like you're important, but you're not.
1:17:47
[SPEAKER_04]: And
1:17:49
[SPEAKER_04]: If you can divide that particular group of people.
1:17:51
[SPEAKER_04]: If you can make this dude over here, dislike this dude over here, because of some issue that affects neither of them.
1:17:58
[SPEAKER_04]: You have defeated the American right, and it's the only bull-work against cut-in-your-kids dick-soft, accepting socialism, and losing our power, not in the country against our own citizens, but against the rest of the world who's trying to fucking take us over.
1:18:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Please understand what's happening here.
1:18:14
[SPEAKER_04]: Please understand what's happening.
1:18:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's a quote from Alexander Dugan, who pops up on all these shows all the time and gets retweeted by these people.
1:18:22
[SPEAKER_04]: The capitalism is the real disaster.
1:18:25
[SPEAKER_04]: the anti-Christ, that is it means that Marxist atheism, materialist and deeply embedded in the capitalist, logic, socialism is viable, alternative to it, no, it isn't.
1:18:35
[SPEAKER_04]: The socialism is wrong, but not so wrong as capitalism, that is the worst.
1:18:39
[SPEAKER_04]: This is an inversion of one of the most famous quotes of all time, actually, about economics.
1:18:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Capitalism is the best of all the bad choices.
1:18:47
[SPEAKER_04]: He just flipped it around and added a little bit of fucking fake religion in there because he is a Russian Orthodox guy, but not even a real one.
1:18:54
[SPEAKER_04]: He's an atheist because the state is the religion there.
1:18:58
[SPEAKER_04]: These are the people you're up against.
1:19:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Know them by how they circle their wagons.
1:19:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Dugan and all of his fucking gay ass fanboys, all these retarded fucking Russian cutouts to include Tucker Carlson are constantly pushing anti-American sentiment.
1:19:13
[SPEAKER_04]: How the fuck?
1:19:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Could that possibly be good for our country?
1:19:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Ask yourself this.
1:19:18
[SPEAKER_04]: When you see these people talking about all the things that are negative about the country right now, ask yourself, how could this be good for the country?
1:19:25
[SPEAKER_04]: No one's asking you to put your head in the sand.
1:19:28
[SPEAKER_04]: No one wants you to put your head in the sand.
1:19:29
[SPEAKER_04]: No one wants you to...
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[SPEAKER_04]: pretend like everything's going well.
1:19:34
[SPEAKER_04]: No, they want, this is what I want.
1:19:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I want you to understand that this is the best country in the history of the world and it is your job to make sure it stays that way.
1:19:44
[SPEAKER_04]: You're a trustee of this country.
1:19:46
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't own it.
1:19:47
[SPEAKER_04]: You're a trustee of it.
1:19:48
[SPEAKER_04]: You received it from someone and you're going to hand it to somebody else.
1:19:51
[SPEAKER_04]: This is all of our job to do this stuff, right?
1:19:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do we care what somebody from socialism or Marxism thinks?
1:20:00
[SPEAKER_04]: They've already tried and failed all over the globe.
1:20:03
[SPEAKER_04]: We've had to bail them out.
1:20:06
[SPEAKER_04]: China first with the World Trade Organization and then all of Latin America after China's spread fucking communism there.
1:20:13
[SPEAKER_04]: We had to bail them all out and the ones we haven't bailed out yet are currently fucked.
1:20:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Cuba.
1:20:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Cuba is one of them.
1:20:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
1:20:20
[SPEAKER_04]: This is all bullshit.
1:20:21
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all like a fucking weird.
1:20:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Like the fact that anybody's fallen for it is crazy to me but they have and luck we are very lucky.
1:20:31
[SPEAKER_04]: We are very lucky to have.
1:20:34
[SPEAKER_04]: people like Ryan Moro and James Lindsay and all these other people, whether you agree with everything they say or not, James is a bit of a provocateur, so he likes talking shit.
1:20:47
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's going to, he's going to be cringey to make you feel but heard from time to time and I would say Michael Malis is another one of them, despite being an anarchist is a very supportive of the country living.
1:20:59
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a bunch of dudes out there that are doing really good work to protect this stuff.
1:21:03
[SPEAKER_04]: and highly encourage you to jump on board because there's no version of vote for some jackass and a fucking suit and tie that's going to save our country.
1:21:14
[SPEAKER_04]: Only you can do it, right?
1:21:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Only you can prevent forest fires.
1:21:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and this is like proven, right?
1:21:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Like Russia was caught paying those people like, yes.
1:21:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, um, my only curiosity when we get to the midterm night is
1:21:30
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's say, because I think you and I are in the same camp here.
1:21:32
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think Taloriko wins, I don't think.
1:21:35
[SPEAKER_06]: And Joe, it's all fake.
1:21:36
[SPEAKER_04]: This is all an information operation to demoralize people.
1:21:39
[SPEAKER_04]: That's all it is.
1:21:40
[SPEAKER_06]: So what happens the next day?
1:21:43
[SPEAKER_06]: If we are correct, you and I believe in the same thing here.
1:21:47
[SPEAKER_06]: What happens the next day to the left after looking at all these polls and then losing?
1:21:52
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a cooling off period followed by some hinting that the Republicans cheated,
1:21:57
[SPEAKER_04]: right to and that'll that'll come from some of these Russian and Chinese sources as well and the only purpose.
1:22:02
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not to be anti-right or anti-left.
1:22:05
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just to make our institution seem delegitimate.
1:22:08
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
1:22:09
[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's the whole purpose of that part of it.
1:22:12
[SPEAKER_04]: And then the second stage of that.
1:22:16
[SPEAKER_04]: is for the fringe rights, or new right, or post-liberal right, or whatever woke right, James calls in, whatever you want to call them, they're going to start going after Republicans really hard again and trying to destabilize any kind of plan they have moving forward to improve what, like to continue the improvements that they've been making.
1:22:35
[SPEAKER_04]: That'll, that'll be what's happening next.
1:22:36
[SPEAKER_04]: You can mark that down.
1:22:37
[SPEAKER_06]: But is this a couch here showing us right now?
1:22:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
1:22:42
[SPEAKER_06]: 18 point.
1:22:43
[SPEAKER_06]: 18's a lot.
1:22:46
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if they're on the show today, Prima Co. Dringons gonna get to $25 if you want to bet it for free, uh, put boy to it.
1:22:53
[SPEAKER_06]: That's crazy to me.
1:22:55
[SPEAKER_06]: This is way higher than the polls that I'm currently looking at, but still, uh, this is where allegedly real people's money is going, we'll see.
1:23:04
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see on that night's, but, uh, I'm believe we, uh, fascinated can't wait to see it and we'll see if this drives in that dead internet theory, where
1:23:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Because these poles over the last, let's call it six months in this show, seven months in this show, have been wildly inaccurate.
1:23:26
[SPEAKER_06]: to the point that it's done corny acute, which we talked about yesterday live on air, where he was stunned by it, where he was like, I don't know what's happening.
1:23:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think he's intentionally trying to look like Pepe Sylvia?
1:23:37
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think so.
1:23:38
[SPEAKER_06]: I really don't.
1:23:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Or is that just like his person?
1:23:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I've always liked that.
1:23:41
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's so of I think it's just his person now.
1:23:44
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's like just like, because I knew some people like that.
1:23:48
[SPEAKER_04]: We all do like all this guy.
1:23:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I know like DC political wants back in the day before politics got so gay and they were like, I mean, it's just an autistic guy that happened to be adjacent to politics, so that's what he happens to talk about.
1:24:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Totally.
1:24:03
[SPEAKER_04]: If it wasn't this, he would be trying, he would be in a bar somewhere trying to explain physics to somebody that didn't understand anything he said.
1:24:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Or it'd be on Kramer's show.
1:24:11
[SPEAKER_06]: This looks like the guy that's working at Kramer's board where it's, you know, showing you the stock.
1:24:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but he looks like put, pull up the picture of Puppy Sylvia.
1:24:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Do I pull that up?
1:24:23
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm putting next to Carnegie.
1:24:25
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
1:24:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's identical.
1:24:29
[SPEAKER_03]: It's identical.
1:24:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
1:24:30
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I know.
1:24:31
[SPEAKER_04]: You have to think somebody's mean to this at some point, right?
1:24:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Who came first?
1:24:36
[SPEAKER_04]: It was, uh, it's always sunny for you.
1:24:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Was it really?
1:24:39
[SPEAKER_04]: This is like season three, I think.
1:24:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
1:24:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Either way, it's a great clip and yeah, we'll see what happens now.
1:24:45
[SPEAKER_04]: You got to put them up.
1:24:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, go back and forth.
1:24:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Look at the back and forth.
1:24:48
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the same guy.
1:24:49
[SPEAKER_04]: There's definitely just the length of the sleeves.
1:24:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Even the ties are striped.
1:24:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Now it's season four.
1:24:53
[SPEAKER_04]: So that had been like 2009.
1:24:55
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think Kornaki was even a media back then.
1:24:58
[SPEAKER_06]: Not sure, but either way, we will be popping in and out of him on midterm night just to see where he's at because he's fun and I guess I do enjoy him.
1:25:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you're talking about, um, you're talking about the guy from CNN.
1:25:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you're right, you're right.
1:25:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, but he was a Republican, right?
1:25:17
[SPEAKER_05]: Dave CNN.
1:25:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:25:19
[SPEAKER_05]: This is damn.
1:25:19
[SPEAKER_05]: He's not a Republican?
1:25:21
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, no way.
1:25:22
[SPEAKER_05]: CNN is really bad.
1:25:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's their like specific.
1:25:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:25:25
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:25:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just like, uh, token, uh, Republican.
1:25:29
[SPEAKER_06]: He seems like it's, I mean, I guess, because everything you was saying was like, oh, no, the Republicans are going to win, and I was like, well, are they?
1:25:36
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
1:25:37
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, we're all trying to guess this right now.
1:25:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:25:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:25:41
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a Republican because he wasn't spewing bullshit.
1:25:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
1:25:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
1:25:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think why we like these guys is that they probably are liberals.
1:25:49
[SPEAKER_05]: But they're just doing analysis on CNN.
1:25:52
[SPEAKER_05]: They're not doing real commentary.
1:25:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's entertaining.
1:25:55
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
1:25:55
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't.
1:25:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
1:25:56
[SPEAKER_06]: To your point.
1:26:00
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to be lectured because I know you're on the left to the right, and I feel the same way about Fox News, right?
1:26:05
[SPEAKER_06]: So even that night, we'll flip back and forth between all the networks like we typically do here.
1:26:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Everybody's going to have their own spin on things and all this other shit.
1:26:14
[SPEAKER_06]: I like seeing guys who are math guys argue about math and try to figure this out in real time.
1:26:20
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, these guys are the most entertaining, probably, and yeah, we'll be going back and forth.
1:26:28
[SPEAKER_06]: It's both these guys on midterm nights, but it will be fun for sure.
1:26:32
[SPEAKER_06]: I have no idea what's going to happen.
1:26:35
[SPEAKER_06]: And this network that is very, very famous and prominent yesterday said the same thing to me, and I go, I don't know.
1:26:42
[SPEAKER_06]: I really don't know, because everything I'm seeing in reading
1:26:49
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's any of it real and we were way off on the fucking hanger thing.
1:26:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, except for Dan, Dan was not Dan held firm on this.
1:26:56
[SPEAKER_06]: The rest of us weren't, um, Jesse.
1:26:59
[SPEAKER_06]: I think better, uh, on crime corner bed against it.
1:27:01
[SPEAKER_06]: It's on, uh, on calcium, but like fuck dude, uh, when you see numbers that high,
1:27:07
[SPEAKER_06]: Correct me if I'm wrong and he was 96 to 4% and I even said it to Dan I was like there's no fucking way This is too high dance like now.
1:27:14
[SPEAKER_06]: This isn't real and it wasn't real.
1:27:16
[SPEAKER_06]: It wasn't real guys So whatever you're doing out there just go with your gut or your heart on this one because I don't know what we're seeing online is real Yeah, I just want to say one more thing I think that most of you really love the country and
1:27:35
[SPEAKER_04]: This, none of this stuff is designed to be judgmental or preachy.
1:27:39
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like a discussion.
1:27:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Go out there and fucking apply the logic of it to things and see if it makes sense for you.
1:27:48
[SPEAKER_04]: And if it does, that's great.
1:27:50
[SPEAKER_04]: If it doesn't, maybe we disagree or maybe there's some cresciety, may I don't know.
1:27:57
[SPEAKER_04]: But,
1:27:59
[SPEAKER_04]: The story of history is one that if the more that we continue to Willfully subjugate ourselves to government at all levels.
1:28:10
[SPEAKER_04]: The not only the less Generalized liberty do we have but the less capability we have to do those things moving forward And if you're a woman, so I'll watch in the show.
1:28:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, definitely stop watching.
1:28:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Just go.
1:28:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I this is
1:28:27
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's just not worth it.
1:28:31
[SPEAKER_06]: The other thing, too, that I wonder, is because we've gotten so many questions.
1:28:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't just watch this show, too.
1:28:37
[SPEAKER_06]: So I can't really talk shit.
1:28:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody didn't hear what's talking about how their wife watches it.
1:28:40
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, yeah, I know.
1:28:41
[SPEAKER_06]: No, it's fine.
1:28:43
[SPEAKER_06]: But look, at the end of the day, I think my biggest curiosity because we haven't so many messages about this in regards to midterm nights and the streaming, and all that stuff is what happens.
1:28:57
[SPEAKER_06]: if all of these poll numbers were wrong, and it goes back to something like the hung, and then what do we think about what we see in the news and what we read online and all the other shits, and I think that's a very, very valid question to ask.
1:29:13
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, which is why we did that dead internet theory yesterday, like I don't know at this point.
1:29:18
[SPEAKER_06]: I really don't.
1:29:19
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know where you go for real news and everything else because out of fear, it was too out of four of us who got that right.
1:29:28
[SPEAKER_06]: And it was the guy who follows pit politics all the time and one who does not.
1:29:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Jessie has no idea about politics.
1:29:35
[SPEAKER_06]: That's quite the spread.
1:29:36
[SPEAKER_06]: But she was going off of a gut female intuition where she said, I don't think people want this shit.
1:29:41
[SPEAKER_06]: And she was correct.
1:29:42
[SPEAKER_06]: But she has no idea who any of the candidates are.
1:29:44
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I am just as curious as you guys are.
1:29:49
[SPEAKER_06]: And I can't wait.
1:29:49
[SPEAKER_06]: We're five weeks out, so we'll see.
1:29:52
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1:31:16
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1:32:01
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