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Sinners Is Better Than Black Panther?!? (No Spoiler Review) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: I thought Michael B. Jordan was solid because Michael B.
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  Speaker 2: Jordan is hot. There it is. You know, Michael B.
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  Speaker 2: Jordan is incredibly handsome. He is very charismatic, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. Mustache was so impressive. I was like, goddamn,
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  Speaker 2: and what's up y'all?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the four All Nerds show Hits.
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  Speaker 2: Shahboy dj Ben I mean aka the ghost in the
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  Speaker 2: show told Doctor Fu's man's is this master splinter Cell
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  Speaker 2: Trinidad Vain our Senior holiday here in the spaceship tonight
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  Speaker 2: and as always, I'm joined.
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  Speaker 3: By Tatiana King d Gran That's just a tech also
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  Speaker 3: known as Dark Chocolate, Phoenix Trash catch him, Tatiana Hannah
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  Speaker 3: the King, Kodak Blackwoods, and Tessa rad Thompson.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: We are here. It's a very special and so tonight
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  Speaker 2: we've been doing a lot of re cording. If you're
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  Speaker 2: a fan of the show, if you're subscribed following, you
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  Speaker 2: know we've been dropping a lot of heat for you.
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  Speaker 2: But tonight or today whenever you're watching this, we have
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  Speaker 2: a very special review of the new Ryan Koudler film
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  Speaker 2: Sinners in theaters this Friday, April eighteenth. We got to
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  Speaker 2: see it, and we're gonna tell you all about it
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  Speaker 2: in a spoiler free review. At least at the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: We would give you full warning before we get into
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  Speaker 2: any real spoilers or any spoilers at all. Yes, right now,
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  Speaker 2: if you haven't seen the film, you can listen away
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  Speaker 2: and you will not be spoiled, and we will give
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  Speaker 2: you a big alert and a warning before we get
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  Speaker 2: into any spoilers.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly, yep, right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: You know, overall feelings on the film, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: everyone needs to go see this shit this weekend. That's
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  Speaker 2: my first thought. Like, I just really want this movie
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  Speaker 2: to make all the moneies in the world. I want
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Coodler to be recognized as a great film maker
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  Speaker 2: that he is outside of the Black Panther franchise. And
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  Speaker 2: I think he delivered a really solid vampire film that
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  Speaker 2: crosses a lot of different genres and you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: just a great Like we're in April, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is the beginning of the summer movie season. If you've
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  Speaker 2: been peeping our other reviews of like Amateur and I
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  Speaker 2: saw G twenty. I did a quick review of that.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to my man Rodemus Prime. It's been slow,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's been a little lackluster in the film department.
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  Speaker 2: You know, even something like Mickey seventeen early this year,
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  Speaker 2: which was like, you know, a director we all know
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  Speaker 2: in love, you know what I mean, that's the god.
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  Speaker 2: You know, did Parasite missed, you know, whiffed at back?
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  Speaker 2: Ryan did not whiff. That is what I can safely say.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan came up hit a nice little home run. Even
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  Speaker 2: if I wouldn't say yeah, I'd say it's a home
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  Speaker 2: This is a damn home run, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So go see Centers. That's my that's just my overall thing.
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  Speaker 1: Go see this shit.
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  Speaker 3: My main takeaway, particularly as I was on the way home,
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  Speaker 3: was it's this Ryan Coogler's best film he's ever made
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  Speaker 3: to date. Wow, And has it, at least for me
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  Speaker 3: surpast Black Panther And I don't know yet, Please, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know yet for me because when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: Ryan's stuff, Black Panther is the top, and then as
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  Speaker 3: jess a film, Black Panther is at the top for
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  Speaker 3: multiple reasons.
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  Speaker 2: But go on, keep on, That's fine.
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  Speaker 4: If you feel that way. I want to hear this way.
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear this.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you heard it.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's the level I'm looking at this at this
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  Speaker 3: ship is the most phenomenal piece of work, particularly from
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  Speaker 3: Ryan and also just for me, I felt cinema on this.
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  Speaker 4: I literally, like I used that meme a lot.
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  Speaker 3: The whole this is cinema, I mean, but like I
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  Speaker 3: was literally there were points where I was physically in tears,
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  Speaker 3: and I understand that it was more so just about
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  Speaker 3: the emotions being invoked. And what really got me when
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  Speaker 3: it comes to Sinners was the beauty of all of it.
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  Speaker 4: It was gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: From the moment the light came up on the screen,
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  Speaker 3: I was taken aback immediately. And this is why I
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  Speaker 3: made the connection or comparison to Black Panther, because that first,
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  Speaker 3: like I don't know, minute two minutes.
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  Speaker 4: I was just, I was gagged, I was just and
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  Speaker 4: I was.
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  Speaker 3: In tears immediately, and I felt something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Again.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's gonna surpass it, but like
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  Speaker 3: this is this is on some other shit for me.
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  Speaker 3: I really fucked with Sinners heavy. I really truly enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 3: It you mentioned something that I was going to say,
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  Speaker 3: the fact that I felt like it dived into a
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  Speaker 3: lot of different genres and it was so black.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, it was so black. It was just like how.
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  Speaker 3: Ryan himself is very unapologetically black. He don't code switch,
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  Speaker 3: he don't do nothing. He'll tell you about the seventy
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  Speaker 3: millimeter film verse thirty five millimeter with that thick Oakland accent,
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  Speaker 3: and nothing changes about him. Like that's what I liked about.
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  Speaker 3: This shit is mad authentic. This shit is mad, genuine,
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  Speaker 3: mad reel and it is entertaining as fuck. And at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, you gotta remember that this
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  Speaker 3: is also a movie. This is also meant to make
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  Speaker 3: millions of dollars, Like that's what a movie is. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: it's supposed to invoke emotion. Yes, it's supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: a work of art, which for me this is it's
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  Speaker 3: also supposed to make money. And damn it, if y'all
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  Speaker 3: don't see this film this weekend, see this shit right away.
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  Speaker 3: Forget about the fact that people are gonna spoil you anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Please listen to me when I say you need to
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  Speaker 3: see this for yourself to really experience what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: I just immediately this shit is a big yes for me.
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  Speaker 3: Now what did you want to say about that?
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  Speaker 2: I just I'm still wait for like okay, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, I thoroughly enjoyed it, all right, And
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  Speaker 2: this is the thing, like these are there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of first in this film, just sadly because of
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  Speaker 2: the state of the world we live in. Like this
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  Speaker 2: is one of the first vampire films that I can
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  Speaker 2: remember that features, you know, black people or like a
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  Speaker 2: majority black cast, say.
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  Speaker 3: Not just black people, the majority because it displayed, but
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  Speaker 3: majority probably the first.
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  Speaker 2: This is the first, and then obviously the well not obviously.
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  Speaker 2: But another thing is.
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  Speaker 4: Non independent films. I'm sure there's magic.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some multiple independent films. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I can't give a Vampire in Brooklyn. You know, this
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  Speaker 2: ain't that either. I mean I like Vampire and Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 2: but you know that's not a you know, it's Eddie Murphy.
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  Speaker 2: But it ain't like you know, there's some other black.
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  Speaker 4: That's supposed to even be a serious movie.
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  Speaker 1: It ain't overly serious, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: Is it supposed to be period a serious movie. It's
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  Speaker 3: starring Eddie Mursley.
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  Speaker 2: Like Eddie does a lot of serious stuff too, remember,
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  Speaker 2: and this is later Eddie Murphy's career.
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  Speaker 1: Eddie does do serious. You never saw what do you
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  Speaker 1: call it?
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  Speaker 4: I think he doesn't do serious, I said, Empire in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's just not good Eddie Murphy. That's that's cheaper
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  Speaker 1: for real. It's not like you know, you're putting that
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  Speaker 1: in your top tied Eddie Burdy films.
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  Speaker 2: And I've really enjoyed. There's a lot of things that
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  Speaker 2: also in this, like you know Ryan's use of film,
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  Speaker 2: like his really hardcore used to film in this to
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  Speaker 2: me because my man did not clean up an inch.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, that's like.
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  Speaker 3: As you're watching, you can tell you're watching real film.
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  Speaker 3: It's not digital lies in the way that we're used
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  Speaker 3: to where it's like that eight k Ultra nine thousand
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  Speaker 3: p you know.
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  Speaker 4: Look that. No, it doesn't look like that. It has
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  Speaker 4: a lived in look.
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  Speaker 3: It has a flesh and blood look if you will, right,
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  Speaker 3: because this is true film we saw on an Imax.
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  Speaker 4: So that's another thing I wanted to make mention.
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  Speaker 3: See it on the biggest screen you can, if you
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  Speaker 3: can see it on Imax, see that whole imax. If
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  Speaker 3: you can't put two movie screens together and watch that
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  Speaker 3: together because I don't like, there's so much to take
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  Speaker 3: in visually for this film. And and and I know
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  Speaker 3: the questions that you're having been about, like well why
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  Speaker 3: do I feel this way? I think as we go along,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to start answering them. Number One, this is
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  Speaker 3: the This is probably one of the one answers. Is
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  Speaker 3: just it was a visual feast for me. And again,
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  Speaker 3: the centering of black people, black characters, and black things
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  Speaker 3: is what like really pushed it over that top for
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  Speaker 3: me when it came to how much I really truly
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  Speaker 3: just immediately embraced this film and how much I love it.
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  Speaker 2: M I like, I did all that, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it didn't I'm not saying that it
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  Speaker 2: didn't hit me where I'm like, oh, you know, damn
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  Speaker 2: you know whatever. You know, No, I really enjoyed it
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  Speaker 2: so differently. Yeah, and I did, like I would not
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  Speaker 2: put it above Black Panther. That's just you know, that's personal,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know that's and also just think Black
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  Speaker 2: Panther is just you know, I think that's one of
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  Speaker 2: Ryan's best works, you know, And I think with Conda
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  Speaker 2: Forever is I wouldn't put it above with Conda Forever,
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  Speaker 2: especially given you know what he had to go into.
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  Speaker 2: But I would say that this is a great film.
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  Speaker 2: I think Ryan is a very accomplished filmmaker where he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really do wat shit and he's not going to
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  Speaker 2: have like wat shots or you know, any of that
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  Speaker 2: type of thing, and it's always going to have a
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  Speaker 2: very professional thing. I really did like his use of
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  Speaker 2: filming this. It really made me wonder, like how much
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  Speaker 2: movies that I grew up watching were cleaned up. Or
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's just nostalgia where I don't remember seeing so
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  Speaker 2: much film grain and spots and various scenes of that
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  Speaker 2: nature when I was growing up watching movies. But I
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  Speaker 2: guess that's just nostalgia. And then like a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times I would watch like vhs and DVDs later on
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  Speaker 2: where they cleaned it up. You know, the version they
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  Speaker 2: put on the VHS is usually the cleanest copy they
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  Speaker 2: could find. Okay, So that's how you know you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: see all these spots and things of that nature. And
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: it's probably be different for every time you see this film,
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  Speaker 2: because there's probably be different versions of it with different spots,
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  Speaker 2: different areas, yeahs nature.
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  Speaker 4: Then he shoot various films for this, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He shot this on definitely on. I mean you see
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  Speaker 2: it during the film. The aspect ratio changes as you're
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  Speaker 2: watching the film. It goes from widescreen to cinematic to
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  Speaker 2: imax to like what is basically an iPhone view, you know,
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  Speaker 2: filling up the whole screen, and it does that at
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  Speaker 2: various points. I'd have to see it again to see
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  Speaker 2: when he's doing it and why exactly because I wasn't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Sure when you and I did.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I noticed without noticing what you're mentioning, just
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  Speaker 3: the aspects of racial changing and all the things. And
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  Speaker 3: I think I realized, like when it's it's most widest
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  Speaker 3: when you see most of the screen is when they're outdoors.
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  Speaker 4: And again, it.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely turned the action for it. It with you know,
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  Speaker 2: wide spring cinematic with the black bars on top and bottom,
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  Speaker 2: when a lot of the action was Yeah, the action.
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  Speaker 3: Was more focused, whereas when you have landscapes and out though,
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  Speaker 3: it was more broad where you can't really see the world.
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  Speaker 3: So and I know, like even stuff like that makes
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  Speaker 3: me want to watch the film again, Like yes, the
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  Speaker 3: story on to our stuff, but just even to see
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  Speaker 3: the choices he's made, because now that I'm consciously looking
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  Speaker 3: for that to see when he made those directorial decisions
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  Speaker 3: right or the And I don't know who his principal
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  Speaker 3: photography person was or if he his DP, like who
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  Speaker 3: did that or whatever, like having that conversation with your
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  Speaker 3: DP and like making that shit work and making that
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  Speaker 3: shit translate in this type of story. And this is
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  Speaker 3: not as spoil as y'all know. The story is just
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  Speaker 3: itf features Michael B. Jordan playing twins and they give you,
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  Speaker 3: or they try to give you a view of the
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  Speaker 3: world from both twins perspective, right, and you know, whether
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  Speaker 3: they're both on the screen together or when they're separated,
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  Speaker 3: you get to see what they're doing. So I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 3: like did this screen change depending on which.
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  Speaker 4: Twin was around?
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  Speaker 3: Like like as I'm like, there's so much stuff that
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure we just met or I missed simply because
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  Speaker 3: I was so enthralled by everything. But even what you're
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  Speaker 3: saying makes me go, damn, that shit is good. Like
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  Speaker 3: Ryan is that nigga? He really truly is. He is
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  Speaker 3: also insane, like insanely funny, insaney comedic, like the things
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  Speaker 3: that I was laughing at I'm like, this man is crazy,
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  Speaker 3: but in the most again entertaining way.
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  Speaker 2: I think the thing is like for me, it's like
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  Speaker 2: knowing Ryan the way that I don't know him personally,
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  Speaker 2: but having you know, watched enough interviews from him and
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  Speaker 2: knowing his age and the things that, Like when he
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: was talking about this film, he asked him what was
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  Speaker 2: his favorite vampire movie. Before that guy could even finish,
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  Speaker 2: he said Lost Boys. And that's pretty much me, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I cannot think of vampires without thinking of Lost Boys.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a not even just a vampire movie.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a damn near perfect film in general.
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  Speaker 2: Like I tell people all the time, if you want
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  Speaker 2: to watch a film and learn about screenwriting shit of
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  Speaker 2: that nature, watch Lost Boys. Read the script, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: It's fucking incredible, you know. And so that's one of
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  Speaker 2: my reference points. And there's references to Lost Boys in
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  Speaker 2: this film that were very the red and I was
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  Speaker 2: appreciative of that shout out. And then there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of other things. Like I said, there's some stuff that
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  Speaker 2: we'll get into in the spoiler part, but I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I know Ryan grew up watching the same eighties action
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  Speaker 2: films that I grew up watching, Like it is a
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: guarantee that he is a big fan of like the Commandos,
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: the you know, all the sports Senegger's, any of the
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  Speaker 2: anything from that Nature Stallone, Schwartzenegger, Onto Van Dam and
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  Speaker 2: Segull and yeah, let's yeah Steven Sagall. Yeah, but definitely
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  Speaker 2: all the early eighties action films. He is definitely a
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  Speaker 2: big fan of that. And then it's story wise, it
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: is definitely a very black ass From dust Till Dawn.
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  Speaker 2: If you've seen From Dustill Dawn, yeah, if you've seen
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  Speaker 2: From Dustill Dawn, you will know the plot of this
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  Speaker 2: film pretty much. You know it is. It is that
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  Speaker 2: same type of film where it is two films in one.
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  Speaker 2: You get one film and then you get another film
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  Speaker 2: when these vampires show up. And so I enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 2: I love From dust Till Dawn. It's another great film.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's that's what I'm saying. I thought it
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  Speaker 2: was a very well done film with a lot of
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  Speaker 2: you know, references and influences and then the blackness of it.
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  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. I really appreciated the music in
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  Speaker 2: the film.
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  Speaker 4: Damn, the music was good.
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  Speaker 3: Ludvig Gorenson, who also was his partner on the Black
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  Speaker 3: Panther films, And Ludvig is a fucking he's like the
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  Speaker 3: god when it comes to.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to see a black man show up
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  Speaker 4: in that.
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  Speaker 1: There's other God, I'm sorry, it's like, there's.
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  Speaker 4: Other guys in film scoring. But he's great, one of them.
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  Speaker 2: He's great.
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  Speaker 1: He is great, There's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to see a black man show up
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  Speaker 2: in the spots, especially when you're doing this black ass music.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it, that's that's absolutely fair.
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  Speaker 2: But he's great. There's no.
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  Speaker 1: Hours.
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  Speaker 4: He fucking did that.
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  Speaker 2: No, he did that. He did it, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: did it like he did that, and he did it
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  Speaker 2: on Black Panther. Like that's one of my favorite stories.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not ever knocking the man.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like, yeah, I don't think you're knocking him
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  Speaker 4: at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and siss.
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  Speaker 3: What I really also enjoyed about this film, This is
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  Speaker 3: filming in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 4: Is also a period piece. And you see that in
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  Speaker 4: the clothing.
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  Speaker 3: You see that in the costume, mean the deep connection
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  Speaker 3: to black culture and the costuming, and this is also
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  Speaker 3: the timing is incredible because in May, during this year's
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  Speaker 3: met Gala, the theme is essentially black dandyism, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: the one.
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  Speaker 4: Thing that makes me mad about it, even though I'm
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  Speaker 4: so happy.
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  Speaker 3: For that theme, is the fact that it's so long
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  Speaker 3: that we got here, and also that Andre Leon Talley.
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  Speaker 2: Past and he was the king of that, So I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm mad about that in general, because the whites are
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  Speaker 2: going to show up in black Dandyism.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what they're going to show back to
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  Speaker 3: be honestly, probably not because no one ever follows the
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  Speaker 3: fucking thing properly.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, this is gonna be so bad.
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  Speaker 3: But for those who are listening, to give you more
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: vision about what we're talking about, like think Colmon Domingo,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: not everything he wears about a lot of what he
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: wears features a lot of that approach in terms of
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: suiting and tailoring, and like again the connection to black
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: culture and what that means. The Sunday's Best And as
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: I mentioned, this being a period piece, this is set
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: what years was this set in, like the forties something
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: like that, thirties.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Yees, thirties, because it's after World War One. I don't
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: think it's after World War Two.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, So so think about that, and when you combine
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: that with again the vision and the setting of where
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: they are, and it's unbelievable what they did with this costume.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: Then you combine that with the music.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: The music is out of control just in terms of
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: it is lots of period as well as mixture with
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: the modern. It's lots of remnants of the past mixed
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: with the visions of the future. It's it's so much
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: that he's putting into this that for me is so
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: cohesive of the Black American experience particularly and then of
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: the diaspora itself because that's touched upon. So I man,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: man the again. Just these are just things that just
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: really stood out for me. And the casting. I am
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: so freaking happy that Wunmi Masaku, Yeah, was one of
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: the main casts on this. Like Womi, she needs to
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: be given as many platforms as she fucking wants to
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: be on because especially like for me, I know, she's
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: been on other stuff, but for me, you know, I
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: discovered her through when Lovecraft Country was on HBO and
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: how incredible she was and how she brought out that
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: character and how much I knew about and we were
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: very familiar with the book Love Calf Country, so to
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: see her bring that to life and then be here
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: in this film along with Hailey Steinfeld, who I love
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: since drugrit, along with Delroy Lindo, just the people the
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: ensemble cast that you saw.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: That what's the brother's name who they introduced in this.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Film, Miles Katon shout.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Out to him. He did a fantastic job. Yeah, and
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I guess he was singing in those scenes and he's
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: an incredible singer as well.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: He's wow so and of course sorry Michael B. Jordan
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: as two characters, I do want to ask, how do
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: you feel You're like trying not to you don't want
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: to ask how do you feel about his dedication to
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: his twinness in this film?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I thought Michael B. Jordan was solid because Michael B.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Jordan is hot. There it is, you know, Michael B.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Jordan is incredibly handsome. He is very charismatic, you know
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: what I mean. The Niggas mustache.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Was so impressive.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, goddamn, how wise my mustache so right
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: now looking at it, like hey yeah paw say stick
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: like damn, you know what I mean? Like I'm always
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: like it's just like I always talk about the time
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I went to the Captain Marble set and I realized, Okay,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm an average looking human being, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: because these people are fucking gorgeous, and this is why
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: they're getting paid millions of dollars to do these roles.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Michael Jordan. Of me, to sum it up
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: is like.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I still someone one said it about like David the Company,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: where it's like he he's a you know, he's not
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: he's one of two notes, but he plays those chords.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: He plays them very well, you know. And I've seen
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Michael do like, you know, I go back to the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: ymnd Wallace, you know, that's my boy, you know, like
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't think he was bad, and it's just what
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: this also is not the film where it's like you're
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: looking for, you know, a man to play two twins
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and really.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Be like, oh my god, you know, wow, look what
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you did. This is orphan black. You know, I'm not
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: looking for that in this film.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Where you're just looking for completely.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Different characters, and they're not supposed to be different characters.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to be two twins who spent their whole
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: life together, who are both gangsters. You know, it's like
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: they're similar. Yeah, they're very similar, dudes. It's like one
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: might be a slightly cuff, yeah yeah, but you know
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it's very you know, both of them is off the cuff.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Like neither one of them has any problem putting the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: hammer down when the hammer needs to be put down
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: in both ways, you know, and every way you want
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to think about it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, you see it all in the trailers. But
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: I agree, But I.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Smell the market who said Michael B. Jordan just wanted
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to sleep with two different a white woman and a.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Black Let's not Michael. Michael was solid.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, like you said, just it's he's He's was
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: fun to watch on screen and to see him and
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: at times chewing the scenery.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing that's like, I think Michael is
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: like one of them, do you know. It's like I'm
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: gonna go see him in any role he is ever.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Anything this man does, and I want to.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: See him do all kinds of ship, you know, just.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: To see what.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to see how is he
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: gonna do it?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna look like doing it And I could tell
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: you know what, I can also tell like as he
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: continues in his career, he's become and especially working with Ryan, right,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: he'll Ryan Tom jump off the bridge.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: He'll probably do it right for.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: The shot, right, like for him to see him stretch
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: himself and really try to do for it. And I
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: know you said sometime he tends to place the same
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: kind of role a lot, but I can tell that
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: as he's continuing and growing that he is trying to
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: just go out there more as much as possible.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And even he's also known of like.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Being put in these situations where you have to be
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you're really fucked up emotionally. I just feel like a
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: lot of the characters he gets always getting these situations,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: with the exception of maybe kill Manger, where he's really
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: fucked up emotionally, something truly fucked up happens to him
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: and he has to express that on screen. And yes,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that in itself as hard as hell like because especially
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: when you're internalizing that stuff like that fucks you up
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: as a person.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: So I get it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: If I could tell he's trying to go outside of himself,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I can tell.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It's one of those things. It's like I'm trying to.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Think it's a good thing.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: By the way my comments were positive and yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with me.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: It's time. I'm trying to think of an actor who
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: compares to that where it's like most of the time
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: they're the same person, and then every now and then
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: getting they'll get a role and you're like, oh shit,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so I'm just waiting
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: for him old I mean, like to me Wallace as
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a youth with one of his old shit roles where
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you know, he killed Wallace, and so it's like now
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: as an adult, I feel like he settled into you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: his charisma and everything carrying him through these roles and
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just waiting for that one where he really has
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: to stretch it. Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you set it basically a bit about what
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: how the story is, and I just wanted to add
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: that you come into this film seeing a story as
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: one thing, yeah, and then as everyone else this vampire's
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: hair one, what's the vampires hit? This ship turns into
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: something different, okay, like something different, and it takes a while.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell y'all, it takes a while to get there.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: But when it gets there, holy shit.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it did. But it didn't feel like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it's me.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: It is like a slock.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: It does take you don't the payoff is not necessarily immediate,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: like a lot of people may go in there like
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: all right, right, I'm just saying, you get some things,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: you get a taste, and then it's yeah, they set
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: you up.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: They set you up nice.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And then when the ship goes off, when it's time,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: when it's time.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: For the for the pain, it's time for the pain,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: and you really get.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Thrown into a completely different world, a mix of genres
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: like this.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Sinners was fucking fantastic for me. I love
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: this movie.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: This is this is a film that I want to
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: see again. I want to see again immediately. I told
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: you that when we were finished, and and just it
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: was just so many things that not only I enjoyed,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: but stuff that I just thought was hilarious. And I'm like,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: and Ryan wrote this, I'm just like, man, what was
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: you I can't I can't wait to have an opportunity
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: to speak with him. What was you thinking when you
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: wrote this certain scene this way? I'm just so curious
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: And I'm waiting for him to say I just did
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: what I did, because like, whatever I just like I said,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is that, you know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the influences that you know, we grew up on, because
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: that's what I just saw it all over this movie,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: like I said, Lost Boys, because Lost Boys is that
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: same way where Lost Boys is alternately horrifying hilarious.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Like I quote that movie all the time because they're
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: just some of the funniest lines in the world to me,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: where it's you know, emotional, all these different things, and
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: then that whole arm It also had that like Melo
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: shout out to Melo again where he felt like it
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: was reclaiming a lot of Tarantino shit, and that's a
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff that you know, we all grew up on.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And Tarantino is hugely influential to filmmakers, especially of you know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a certain generation, and he's also you know, a bit problematic,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and so I think that was in the same way
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: that anytime like a POC filmmaker who's you know, about
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: his shit gets a chance to really make a film,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have a lot of that influence on them,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: and they're gonna address a lot of things when they,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you know, make films like this, And I think just
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the blackness of it very much, does that you know
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: very much? So? And like you, I really, like I say,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the music is very special to me in the film.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I was just talking to Mellow Marketer again about Mellow
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Brown because he got to see the joint as well well,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: and I was just like, yo, man, I'm really glad
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: that we got this idea out in Jimmy Hendrix Purple
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Haze before this film came out. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: it's it's just like, we have an idea in Jimmy
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Hendrix Purple Hayes and our graphic novel about the river
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of Black music, and it's one of the main themes
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of our book, and that really comes up heavy in
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: this film. And so I was really that was just
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: really dope to me to see someone else thinking along
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the same lines, because, like I said, this idea of
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: the river of black music is not something an original
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: idea that I came up with. It's just something that
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: people when when you study black music in America, Like
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: what I recently came to the conclusion is that black
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: people we only made blues music. Like pretty much we've
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: always made blues music, and we're still making blues music
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to this day. It's just technology and time changes and
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: that allows for different interpretations of it, but it's always
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the blues. And that's exactly what Ryan says in Sinners,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and I was just like, oh ship, nigga, like I
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no that I think that's again just beautiful.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And you see that that mind meld almost like even
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: though you had that had no words with Ryan, like
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: that idea, that mind mel.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And because it's out there, it's it's like what you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: all ideas pump from the universe energy and it's once
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: it's out in the world, it's usually multiple people are
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: thinking it at the same time.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: And I learned that from the book Big Magic.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So yeah too.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: So that's what that that thing, that that approach you're
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: talking about, that's that's something where I read from that
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: just to come full circle with what you're saying. Also
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: what I said at the top of this review, the
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: emotion and I'm I'm very sensitive to music. I'm hugely
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: into music and it really touches me on another level.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: And when you combine that with some ship that I
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: really truly care about, one of them being black people,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: my people, our people, and combining that with music and
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: our and this film is really.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: A lot about the magic of black people.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: The power of black people are inherent light and layton,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: whatever power you want to say, whatever.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Side of the fence is on.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Like the the deepness and the death of how much
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: we have and how much we are and how it's
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: for generations has always tried to.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Be stamped out by others.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: And that was one of the major takeaways I've got
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: from Sinners just about all of that, just how powerful
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: we are as a people.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: And I'm sorry that sounds very like pulpit of me,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: but like I.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: That that that shit. That line hit my head immediately
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: and I was crying on particularly because of the music.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: And it's one particular expression of that in the film
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: where I legitimately is sitting there tears rolling down my
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: face and I was just like this, like I don't
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: want nobody to see me, but you know, I was like,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see me be like, are you okay?
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: But just to some of this film, how I felt
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: about Centers in one word, I would say this was satisfying.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I mean that that. I'd say, beyones satisfying,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Like it's the best film I've seen this year.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: And I mean, oh you said it earlier. That's not
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: saying too much.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: It's been light, but you know, like I've been good
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: so far. I mean yeah, damn yeah, no, bro, I
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: mean I consider and Or a movie, you know what.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I've seen some of that and that ship is you.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Know you are considering me. But the truth this is
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: a TV show.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they filmed it as if like like even
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: you're Roy the creator said he made eight movies in
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the last five years, because he's talking about every three
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: episodes is one film.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I love the creative spirit, yo, I'm sure I will.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I it's still on quote TV.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's still I mean, that's you know that
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you can't use that as a barometer anymore. You know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it's like you have to go beyond that. It's like
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: it's still it's all and ors, film and ors fucking cinema.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: You want to talk cinema, it's cinema. It's beyond you know.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: So that's still the best thing I've seen this year.
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