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Sharri | 27 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening Tonight. A Treasury insider exposes the deceit behind
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Speaker 3: Labour's to perannuation tax that spares politicians, and debate erupts
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Speaker 3: over Emmanuel Macron's shove in the face, with concerns the
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Speaker 3: French president could be a victim of domestic violence. But
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Speaker 3: aren't the feminists pretty quiet? Bromen Bishop and Holly Hughes
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Speaker 3: will give their take what is Israel's plan in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Deputy Foreign Minister Sharen Haskell will join Me Live for
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Speaker 3: an exclusive interview. This as Palestinian leaders praise Anthony Albinizi
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Speaker 3: and rogue MP ed Husick demands sanctions on the Jewish state.
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Speaker 3: Alex Rifchin will be on the show to respond. What's
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Speaker 3: Across Live to London for the latest on the motive
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Speaker 3: behind the Liverpool Beaed collision. But first you'll remember during
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Speaker 3: the election campaign, Anthony Albanezi pledged to return the pot
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Speaker 3: of Darwin to Australian hands and away from Chinese ownership.
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Speaker 3: He rushed to beat Peter Dutton to that announcement, phoning
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Speaker 3: in unexpectedly to ABC local radio in Darwin to say
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Speaker 3: that he'd buy the pot back if necessary, but details
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Speaker 3: when pressed, we're pretty thin on the ground.
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Speaker 4: So I just need to be clear here, are you
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Speaker 4: announcing that the Labor government will buy back the Port
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Speaker 4: of Darwen lease off Lambridge.
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Speaker 5: What we are doing is we will enter into negotiations
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Speaker 5: to do that. That is what we've been doing informally
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Speaker 5: through potential buyers up to this point already.
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Speaker 4: So are you buying back the lease of the Port
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Speaker 4: of Darwin or not.
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Speaker 5: Well, what we're doing is trying to get to see
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Speaker 5: if there's a private buyer through particularly superannuation funds that
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Speaker 5: we've had discussions with. They have standed out Lamdbridge as well.
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Speaker 5: We want that to be the case, but we want it.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's preference was for a private firm to
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Speaker 3: buy the port rather than spend government funds, although he
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Speaker 3: kept that option open. This was a change in position
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Speaker 3: from just eighteen months earlier, when he ruled out any intervention.
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Speaker 3: In October twenty twenty three, Albanize said that he had
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Speaker 3: accepted the report of his own agency that the Chinese
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Speaker 3: Link Company would continue to operate the lease, and he
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Speaker 3: said at the time the issue was resolved, done and
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Speaker 3: dust it. But then in the election campaign he changed
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Speaker 3: his tune and he said he wanted the port to
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Speaker 3: return to Australian ownership.
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Speaker 4: So you're making sure you have a buyer first before
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Speaker 4: you announce those plans.
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Speaker 5: Well, we want it to be in Australian hands. We
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Speaker 5: prefer that it be through superinnuation funds or some other vehicle.
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Speaker 3: Albinizi had been so fixated on stealing Peter Dutton's thunder
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Speaker 3: by announcing he wanted to cut ties with the Chinese
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Speaker 3: first that he made the announcement before he had an
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Speaker 3: actual plan or any plan for that matter. So, as
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Speaker 3: you just heard, he said he wanted the Port of
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Speaker 3: Darwin returned to Australian ownership. But now it seems there's
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Speaker 3: another foreign buyer. This one at least is our strategic ally.
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Speaker 3: The Australian reports on the front page today that an
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Speaker 3: American private equity company with close ties to the Trump
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Speaker 3: administration is set to bid to buy the port from
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Speaker 3: Chinese billionaire Yi Chang, The US Forum Sarah Bruss. It
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Speaker 3: was formerly run by Trump's Deputy Secretary of Defense, Steve Feinberg,
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Speaker 3: and the company is reportedly about to put in an
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Speaker 3: offer for around half a billion dollars. Now, this is
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Speaker 3: only slightly more than the amount Landbridge paid for it
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Speaker 3: a decade ago, and they're looking the Chinese company land Bridge,
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Speaker 3: that is, they're looking for an offer around double that
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Speaker 3: at a billion dollars. Now. China is taking this seriously.
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Speaker 3: Its ambassador visited the port last week and there could
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Speaker 3: be consequences to our diplomatic relationship if Australia insists on
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Speaker 3: breaking the ninety nine year lease. Now, as you know,
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Speaker 3: Albanesi will be loath to upset Beijing. He thinks cozying
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Speaker 3: up to she makes him a master at foreign policy.
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Speaker 3: But as The Australian's editorial today says that if the
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Speaker 3: Chinese own company land Bridge refuses an offer from a
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Speaker 3: US fund to buy the Port of Darwin and no
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Speaker 3: Australian offer emerges, Albanzi will need to make good his
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Speaker 3: commitment during the election campaign to force the port from
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Speaker 3: Chinese hands if no suitable buyer emerged, because there is
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Speaker 3: a strong argument against having the Chinese retain control of
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Speaker 3: our critical infrastructure. The Chinese government has in recent months
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Speaker 3: stepped up its posturing and aggression towards Australia. There was
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Speaker 3: the warship engaging in live fire exercises off our coast,
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Speaker 3: the spy ship circumnavigating the southern coastline. And this is
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Speaker 3: about our strategic interest, our national security and sovereignty. It's absurd,
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Speaker 3: really to think that alban Easy is spending some sixteen
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Speaker 3: billion dollars to pay off the hex debt of young
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Speaker 3: voters to buy their vote. Yet he wouldn't step in
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Speaker 3: to pay just a billion dollars for the port of Darwin.
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Speaker 3: His priorities, as usual, are way out of whak. Now,
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Speaker 3: let's turn to the events in live because this is
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Speaker 3: the sort of tragic event that we now all need
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Speaker 3: to be on the lookout for. It's the new reality
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Speaker 3: of the world we're living in. Thousands of football fans
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Speaker 3: were celebrating Liverpool's Premier Title Premier League title victory in
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Speaker 3: their hometown when a car plowed into the crowd. This
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Speaker 3: joyous celebration turned into horror. Forty seven have been injured
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Speaker 3: and twenty seven hospitalized. Four of them are children. Here's
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Speaker 3: that horrific moment that was captured from above.
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Speaker 6: Oh to be borderses hoy, Oh my god.
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Speaker 3: He I mean, it's a miracle that at this point.
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Speaker 3: No one has died, but four people were trapped under
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Speaker 3: the van, One of them was a child. Now police
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Speaker 3: say the drivers a white British man aged fifty three,
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Speaker 3: and the parade was nearly just finished. It was a
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Speaker 3: little after six pm when the van reportedly accelerated and
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Speaker 3: then veered right into the crowd. The car went on
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Speaker 3: for a further twenty meters until it eventually stopped. Now
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Speaker 3: police were quick to say that this was not a
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Speaker 3: terror attack. They say it's an isolated incident, meaning they're
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Speaker 3: not looking for other suspects.
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Speaker 7: What I can tell you is that we believe this
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Speaker 7: to be an isolated incident and we are not currently
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Speaker 7: looking for anyone else in relation to it. The incident
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Speaker 7: is not being treated as terrorism.
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Speaker 3: Now. We're going to cross Live to Sophie Elsworth a
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Speaker 3: bit later to get the latest on what police are
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Speaker 3: saying about the motive. But one person who was there,
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Speaker 3: a man named Mark Levy, told the Daily Mail, I
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Speaker 3: will never forget the noise of the people being hit,
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Speaker 3: and I will never forget the look on a policeman's
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Speaker 3: face and his uniform covered in blood. And a joyful
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Speaker 3: parade became a scene of carnage in just a matter
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Speaker 3: of moments, and it's a tragedy that can unfold all
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Speaker 3: too easily. Now, it was the love affair that captured
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Speaker 3: the world's attention. The younger Emmanuel Macron forty seven and
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Speaker 3: the older woman, Brigitte seventy two. They met when he
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Speaker 3: was just fifteen and she was a married mother of three.
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Speaker 3: She was thirty nine years old, so that's around a
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Speaker 3: twenty four year age gap. She was one of his
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Speaker 3: high school teachers, and fourteen years after they met, in
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, they were married. But now their marriage
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Speaker 3: is being examined through a different light after this footage
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Speaker 3: emerged of Brigitte pushing her husband in the face. Now,
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Speaker 3: Macron's offers initially tried to claim it was fake footage,
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Speaker 3: fake and it was a line that the French media
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Speaker 3: obediently repeated, but that spin wasn't sustainable when it emerged
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Speaker 3: that several press cameras from international media outlets captured the shove.
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Speaker 3: Now Macron has since denied that he was having a
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Speaker 3: domestic dispute, and he sought to downplay the whole incident.
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Speaker 3: He said they were just playing monipoza.
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Speaker 8: We were squabbling and I was joking with my wife
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Speaker 8: and I'm surprised by it, and it becomes some sort
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Speaker 8: of geoplanetary catastrophe. Everybody needs to calm down and should
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Speaker 8: really focus on actual news.
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Speaker 3: Hasn't it annoying when journalists focus on the wrong news.
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Speaker 3: But if you look at the initial footage, you can
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Speaker 3: see by the stunned look in his face that they
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Speaker 3: weren't playing and he wasn't expecting the physical contact. So
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Speaker 3: his office then changed their line. Wasn't fake news anymore,
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Speaker 3: it was then Russian disinformation. It was a conspiracy theory. That's,
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Speaker 3: of course ridiculous because clearly she deliberately pushed his face,
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Speaker 3: and now there's controversy and much debate around the way
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Speaker 3: she slapped him. Now, if this was a man shoving
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Speaker 3: a woman in the face, it would be clearly labeled
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Speaker 3: by everyone an act of domestic violence. They'd be concerned
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Speaker 3: that the woman was being physically abused, concern for her
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Speaker 3: ongoing safety in that relationship. But why is it any
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Speaker 3: different if the gender roles are reversed. Ben Fordham today
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Speaker 3: said that it was, in his view, a physical assault,
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Speaker 3: and that Macron might be a victim of physical and
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Speaker 3: domestic violence.
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Speaker 9: You reverse the roles for a moment and imagine that
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Speaker 9: it was her.
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Speaker 6: On the receiving end of the slab.
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Speaker 1: I reckon he'd be under a wrist right.
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Speaker 3: Now, and Jemma Tognini writes that this is a double standard.
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Speaker 3: She says, a woman gets hit in the face and
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Speaker 3: it's game over, as it bloody, should be a man,
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Speaker 3: calm down. They're just showing the world how close they are.
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Speaker 3: They're just chilling now. Mccrine is the ultimate lefty hero.
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Speaker 3: So the feminists have been strangely quiet on this one.
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Speaker 3: They always are quick to talk about domestic violence, but
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Speaker 3: not in this instance, it seems, because apparently domestic violence
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Speaker 3: just goes one way, men hitting women. If it's the reverse,
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Speaker 3: it's fake news, it's Russian disinformation, it's a conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 3: They're just showing their togetherness. Jenese Qua Cela vi pade problem,
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Speaker 3: the hypocrisy. We're going to come back to that topic
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Speaker 3: in a moment with Bronwan Bishop and Holly Hughes. But
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Speaker 3: let's turn to Israel now, where a new hostage ceasefire
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Speaker 3: deal is on the table. US Special Envoy Steve Whitcoff
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Speaker 3: has told CNN that Israel will agree to a temporary
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Speaker 3: ceasefire hostage deal that would see half of the living
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Speaker 3: and half of the deceased return and lead to substantive
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Speaker 3: negotiations to find a path to a permanent ceasefire, which
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Speaker 3: I've agreed to preside over. That deal is on the table,
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Speaker 3: her Muss should take it. So, of course, yet again,
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Speaker 3: the terrorist organization hasn't accepted the deal. We're joining me
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Speaker 3: now for an exclusive interview is Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs
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Speaker 3: Minister Sharen has girl Charen, Great to see you again.
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Speaker 10: So what.
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Speaker 3: What will Israel have to give her mus in return
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Speaker 3: for ten living hostages?
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Speaker 6: Look, the exact details are still being talked about, and
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Speaker 6: our negotiation team has returned.
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Speaker 2: Also, I want to say this, there were a few
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Speaker 2: proposals on the table, not just now, also two months ago.
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Speaker 2: The most important thing is that Israel has accepted It
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Speaker 2: accepted the deal that with Whitkov proposed a month ago.
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Speaker 2: It accepted the deal that Whitkov is putting now on
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Speaker 2: the table. But unfortunately Hamas is not accepting it. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: and for me, it's very overwhelming also to see how
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Speaker 2: many of our allies, many countries around the world. Is
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Speaker 2: trying to put pressure on Israel for a ceasefire when
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Speaker 2: it is Hamas who continues to reject every single deal
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Speaker 2: that's coming into the table. The pressure should be on
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Speaker 2: hama Us and not on Israel. We are willing to
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Speaker 2: go to a ceasefire also for a length, a lengthy
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Speaker 2: period of time, in return for our hostages.
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Speaker 6: We are not acting in Gaza for the sake of
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Speaker 6: a war. We are there for the sake to.
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Speaker 2: Return our hostages and to dismantle a Nazi death cult
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Speaker 2: called Ramas, a terrorist organization vouch to eliminate and annihilate
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Speaker 2: my country.
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Speaker 3: And my people and Assuran as of the part of
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Speaker 3: the hostage negotiations. I mean, the reality is that Hamas
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Speaker 3: wants Israel to permanently leave Gaza. To commit to permanently
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Speaker 3: leaving Gaza so that Hamas a terror organization can regroup.
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Speaker 3: Is this the sticking point?
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Speaker 6: This is something that we cannot accept.
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Speaker 2: They are insisting on that, and that's a point that
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Speaker 2: Israel cannot except. The meaning of believing Commas in power
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Speaker 2: means that they'll continue to use millions of Palestinians as
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Speaker 2: human shield. They'll continue to build their power for another
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Speaker 2: seventh of October. And if I know, Look, Sharry, I
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Speaker 2: don't think that any reasonable person would tell their children,
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Speaker 2: their family, their community to go back and live a
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Speaker 2: few hundred meters from a death cult getting prepared for
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Speaker 2: another massive massacre that can even be ten times worse
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Speaker 2: than the seventh of October. I can't be responsible for that.
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Speaker 2: I'm a politician, I'm a representative of the people. I
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Speaker 2: cannot tell them to go back when I know that
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Speaker 2: this death cult is two hundred meters away from their home.
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Speaker 2: And that is the Palestinians too.
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Speaker 3: So, Charon, we're seeing reports that Israeli is preparing to
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Speaker 3: take over seventy five percent of Gaza within the next
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Speaker 3: three miles in order to eliminate Hamas. As you say,
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Speaker 3: what is the plan after that for Gaza?
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Speaker 2: So look, our first plan is our goals of war,
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Speaker 2: which means to bring back our hostages, eliminate Haramas. We
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Speaker 2: are looking now and also seeing.
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Speaker 3: How to.
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Speaker 2: Control from a security perspective, the area to make sure
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Speaker 2: that Hamas doesn't build any power back again.
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Speaker 6: And that's very important. I cannot applay the whole plan.
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Speaker 2: Because it's not written, it's being discussing many forms, and
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Speaker 2: there's many ideas. Many countries are bringing different ideas, and
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Speaker 2: it's not going to be dependent only on Israel.
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Speaker 6: So how Gaza's going to look after is still a question.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I would really like that many of
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Speaker 2: our partners will actually take part in that. But unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: and especially of what we've seen in recent week, with
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Speaker 2: some countries taking a clear position, they become unfortunately irrelevant
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Speaker 2: in that discussion, a neutral discussion about the future. They
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Speaker 2: disregards the needs, the needs of our people for safety
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Speaker 2: and for security, and they disregards the Palestinian needs also
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Speaker 2: to live free from a terrorist organization that is sterializing.
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Speaker 6: Them, murdering them and abusing them.
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Speaker 3: And seeing even protests by Palestinians in Gaza in the
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Speaker 3: past week. We're out of time, but just quickly before
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Speaker 3: you go, Sharan, I want to ask your response to
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Speaker 3: our Prime minister who claimed just yesterday that the actions
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Speaker 3: of the Israeli government were outrageous. That was his terminology, outrageous.
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Speaker 3: What would you say to Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 2: Well, I have to say it's quite disappointing. It's not
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Speaker 2: the first time that we're disappointed. I think that Australia.
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Speaker 2: You know, we would have expected Australia and the leadership
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Speaker 2: to stand beside us during a difficult time. I know
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Speaker 2: the reports that are coming, Cherry, you've been covering that
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Speaker 2: up for now a year and more than a year
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Speaker 2: and a half now, those organizations who keep on saying
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Speaker 2: that Gaza is facing femine, Okay, facing femine is a
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Speaker 2: situation in the future, it's not a situation right now
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Speaker 2: in the present. And they continue to say it for
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Speaker 2: more than a year and a half and the fact
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Speaker 2: is that until now it didn't reach that stage. Why
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Speaker 2: because we are monitoring it closely. But what we want
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Speaker 2: is that the age reached the people and not Tramas.
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Speaker 2: And when they come and tell me time after time
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Speaker 2: that we have to do it the old way through ANRA,
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Speaker 2: through Ramas, I don't agree that. I don't think that
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Speaker 2: it has to come through a terrorist organization and we
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Speaker 2: have to try a different way. And I think that
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Speaker 2: if Australia would have positioned itself more neutrally than it
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Speaker 2: would have been a partner and also discussing those future
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Speaker 2: plan and also the aid plan in Gaza as well.
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Speaker 6: This is something that we would welcome.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but now it sounds like Australia would not be
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Speaker 3: welcome at a seat at the table because it's been
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Speaker 3: shown to have a biased position, which I completely agree with.
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Speaker 3: Charenne Haskell really appreciate your time as always, Thank you
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Speaker 3: so much. That's Charene Live in Israel. Well let's bring
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Speaker 3: in now outgoing Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and fromer Speaker
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Speaker 3: of the House Bronwin Bishop. Welcome to you both. I
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Speaker 3: want to start with getting your take on the Emmanuel
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Speaker 3: Macron shove in the face. You know, this is the
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Speaker 3: type of thing, Holly, that you'd expect the feminists would
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Speaker 3: have been outraged about, but it's been pretty quiet. It's
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Speaker 3: from the deathly sign. It's really feminist. It's just extraordinary.
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Speaker 11: And whether it is family violence, domestic violence, it doesn't
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Speaker 11: matter which way it's being perpetrated. It's something that's got
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Speaker 11: to be called out. And you can see very clearly
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Speaker 11: in that footage the force of the push, the step
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Speaker 11: back that was taken, the look of shock and horror
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Speaker 11: on Macron's face, and the fact that he actually steadied
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Speaker 11: himself on the door before waving, and then the body
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Speaker 11: language between the two of them coming down the stairs.
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Speaker 11: You could see he'd sort of cropped the arm out
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Speaker 11: for her to take, and very deliberately she did not
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Speaker 11: take it. So I mean, I just think it's really
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Speaker 11: frightening footage. I think it's there's going to be more
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Speaker 11: and more questions to be asked about this because it's
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Speaker 11: sending the wrong message that domestic violence can only ever
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Speaker 11: go one way.
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Speaker 3: I also think Brumwin that there's a problem when this
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Speaker 3: is another case of a politician ignoring what we can
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Speaker 3: all see, trying to spin claim it's and untruth. Saw
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Speaker 3: it with Joe Biden's mental decline. They just think they
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Speaker 3: can get away with telling the public lies.
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Speaker 12: That's perfectly true. But I think there's another aspect to
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Speaker 12: it as well, and that is and I think it
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Speaker 12: goes back and reflects how she, as a thirty nine
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Speaker 12: year old wasn't making advances to a fifteen year old child.
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Speaker 12: Now that's a jailable offense here in this country. I'm
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Speaker 12: not sure what the position is in France, but it
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Speaker 12: clearly isn't an acceptable position. I wouldn't have thought, and
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Speaker 12: it's always been brushed over and said, oh, it really
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Speaker 12: doesn't matter. It's Okay, for the left to do these
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Speaker 12: things is what's implied. So then when we see them
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Speaker 12: together in different circumstances, I guess we'll all look two
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Speaker 12: or three times at their interaction next time we see
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Speaker 12: them together. But I think the points that Holly's made,
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Speaker 12: that you've made, that was no little push aside, That
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Speaker 12: was a physical bang. And the point, the more important
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Speaker 12: point I think that is to be made is the
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Speaker 12: one that they think they can just lie.
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Speaker 6: Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 3: But I think it's an interesting point you made that
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Speaker 3: she would have had the authority over him when she
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Speaker 3: was his teacher, and what I read was that the
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Speaker 3: parents moved him to a different school to try and
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Speaker 3: separated them. But you know that power dynamic might remain
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Speaker 3: even though he's the president of France, which is a
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Speaker 3: scary thought.
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Speaker 13: Really.
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Speaker 3: Now let's turn to this debate that's continuing over net zero.
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Speaker 3: This has once again emerged today in the Coalition after
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty had this to say.
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Speaker 13: Net zero again, that's a straight jacket that I'm already
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Speaker 13: getting out of. The real question is should austral In
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Speaker 13: families and businesses be paying more for their electricity and
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Speaker 13: should we allow this sort of hypocrisy at the heart
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Speaker 13: of our economy to continue, whereby we sell coalon gas
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Speaker 13: to India and China and we deny it to our
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Speaker 13: own people. That's the question that I think we need
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Speaker 13: to answer.
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Speaker 3: So Andrew Hasty decided he wasn't going to run for
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Speaker 3: the Liberal leadership at this point in time, Hally, what
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Speaker 3: do you think of the points he makes about energy?
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Speaker 11: Look, I actually agree with Andrew there. I think Australia
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Speaker 11: has really put itself in a straight jacket. We know
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Speaker 11: that industry is suffering, families of having to pay more
23:22
Speaker 11: and more for their power bills. The fact that we
23:24
Speaker 11: are one point three percent of global emissions, we are
23:26
Speaker 11: going to make zero difference on the global stage. I
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Speaker 11: think it was incredibly telling this week that even New Zealand,
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Speaker 11: you know, I mean they are almost as left as
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Speaker 11: left with so much of their politics, they've walked away
23:38
Speaker 11: from that zero when something isn't achievable, Like everyone wants
23:42
Speaker 11: a reduction in emissions, but I think we need to
23:44
Speaker 11: stop chasing it at such a huge expense for all
23:48
Speaker 11: Australians and start to reprioritize ourselves as a nation as other.
23:53
Speaker 3: Nations are doing.
23:55
Speaker 11: And when as technology evolves. I firmly believe technology will
23:59
Speaker 11: continue to evolve so that we will be able to
24:02
Speaker 11: reduce emissions. But the fact that they've put this cap
24:04
Speaker 11: on it, they've put this target time frame on it,
24:07
Speaker 11: and it's clearly not something that's achievable.
24:11
Speaker 3: Just to clarify it, not what you said, but that
24:13
Speaker 3: headline there, New Zealand has not pulled out of NAT zero.
24:17
Speaker 3: This was reported on Sky earlier and then you referenced
24:19
Speaker 3: it just there. So they are engaging in energy activities
24:23
Speaker 3: that mean they're unlikely to meet their NAT zero targets,
24:26
Speaker 3: but they actually haven't withdrawn from them. Brumen, what do
24:29
Speaker 3: you think of Andrew Hastier's position? Should the coalition withdraw
24:32
Speaker 3: from that zero? Is that what you think? You know
24:35
Speaker 3: mainstream Australians want that?
24:37
Speaker 6: Do you think yes?
24:39
Speaker 12: From my position has always been clear. I never thought
24:42
Speaker 12: we should have signed up for it the first place.
24:44
Speaker 12: I think we should withdraw from.
24:46
Speaker 3: Howard government though, wasn't it you were?
24:48
Speaker 12: And I am very much afraid to admit that I
24:51
Speaker 12: actually voted to that bill. But for at that period,
24:56
Speaker 12: we knew we had hundreds and hundreds of years worth
24:59
Speaker 12: of coal and nobody thought would not be using coal.
25:04
Speaker 12: So now the point that it should be removed so
25:08
Speaker 12: the market can take decision as to whether they want
25:11
Speaker 12: to invest in it would be the way to go
25:13
Speaker 12: in my thinking. But I never ever agreed to signing
25:17
Speaker 12: up to the net zero proposition. I think it was
25:22
Speaker 12: a big mistake and one that has caused the opposition
25:25
Speaker 12: eternal grief as a result. So I would be pulling
25:29
Speaker 12: out and I would agree with Andrew Hasty, But I
25:32
Speaker 12: think the points that have to be made is that
25:35
Speaker 12: this is no longer an ideological discussion. This is a
25:39
Speaker 12: financial discussion, and that we are penalizing our country and
25:45
Speaker 12: our people, destroying vast acres of the Australian beautiful landscape,
25:52
Speaker 12: destroying livelihoods and farming in the name of what. So
25:58
Speaker 12: it's time that I think that acknowledged that something like
26:01
Speaker 12: seventy percent of the world is not doing it. And
26:05
Speaker 12: yet here we have a man who eats noodles at
26:09
Speaker 12: a mass service. It tells us how to behave with
26:12
Speaker 12: regard to energy.
26:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, shocking behavior. And we find out this week, conveniently
26:18
Speaker 3: after the election, that power power prices are going to
26:21
Speaker 3: go up again by one hundreds up to two hundred
26:24
Speaker 3: and fifty dollars in New South Wales. We find out
26:26
Speaker 3: all sorts and in little tipbits are coming out now
26:31
Speaker 3: now exactly, Harley, I want to ask you about the
26:35
Speaker 3: rose Hill Gardens race coss. This is quite a New
26:37
Speaker 3: South Wales issue, but the premiere in New South Wales.
26:40
Speaker 3: Chris Mins did have plans to transform Sydney's housing market,
26:44
Speaker 3: built thousands of more homes. I mean he was going
26:47
Speaker 3: to boost the housing supply. But it became quite controversial
26:51
Speaker 3: about whether that should be the site for this housing.
26:54
Speaker 3: It was voted down today. What's your view on this?
26:58
Speaker 11: Well, I'm a member, so I have to declare an
27:00
Speaker 11: interest here that I participated in that vote. And I
27:04
Speaker 11: think there's a lot of members that are very happy
27:06
Speaker 11: with the result, a lot of trainers that are very
27:08
Speaker 11: happy with the result. There wasn't a feeling with you. Look,
27:13
Speaker 11: I always had some concerns about it and I felt
27:16
Speaker 11: that moving to Warwick Farm was not an appropriate answer
27:19
Speaker 11: for a second race course. I was at Ramwik on
27:22
Speaker 11: the weekend. I'll be back this weekend at rose Hill.
27:26
Speaker 11: I think we're going to be this weekend. But the
27:28
Speaker 11: track was beautiful at Ramwick last week even after all
27:32
Speaker 11: of that rain. But there is no way that that
27:34
Speaker 11: can be maintained and the level of racing, and when
27:37
Speaker 11: we're talking, we want the Everest, we want all of
27:39
Speaker 11: these big events that bring a lot of money into
27:42
Speaker 11: the state. The need to have the proper result, like
27:45
Speaker 11: the proper facilities, is important. So there, I certainly got
27:49
Speaker 11: some very happy messages this afternoon for members.
27:52
Speaker 3: There you go, and there's plenty of other land. Well,
27:55
Speaker 3: the pressure will be on the Premium Hour to come
27:57
Speaker 3: up with another solution. Meanwhile, quickly turning to Victoria, the
28:00
Speaker 3: Herald Sign has reported today that Opposition leader Brad Batton
28:05
Speaker 3: is facing pressure to intervene because John Persudo has to
28:08
Speaker 3: pick up the two point three million dollar defamation bill
28:12
Speaker 3: from Moyra Deeming. Bromin, what do you think about this?
28:17
Speaker 3: Should the Victorian Liberal Party have to pocket this bill
28:20
Speaker 3: or should it be up to Pursuito Seeing it was
28:22
Speaker 3: his decision to get rid of to Sakko.
28:25
Speaker 12: I think Pezudo's behavior all along was pooring. I think
28:30
Speaker 12: Mora Deeming stood her ground and I support her in
28:33
Speaker 12: doing so. He knew those costs were being raked up.
28:37
Speaker 12: He's brought it on his own head. And now for
28:40
Speaker 12: people who sort of wanted to support Perzzutto even more
28:45
Speaker 12: are trying to say that Liberal Party people have to
28:48
Speaker 12: pay for it. Well, there is the Cormack Foundation. There
28:52
Speaker 12: was known as the rich bank for the Liberals, but
28:56
Speaker 12: they don't always seem to loosen the purse strings very often.
29:00
Speaker 12: But I think if he has the standing on the
29:03
Speaker 12: support of the people he says he has, then go
29:06
Speaker 12: along and ask them.
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Speaker 3: So it's a difficult one, but it was his decision
29:11
Speaker 3: to sack her, so you know, perhaps she can't be
29:14
Speaker 3: made to be out of pocket either, exactly.
29:16
Speaker 11: Yeah, she shouldn't be made to pay for what he
29:19
Speaker 11: said about her and her right to defend that. But honestly,
29:21
Speaker 11: the Victorian Liberal Party look at the state of Victoria
29:25
Speaker 11: and yet here they are again talking about themselves.
29:27
Speaker 12: When we don't want to undermind mister Beth and I
29:29
Speaker 12: think he's seeing good job.
29:30
Speaker 3: No, no, absolutely well, Victorian Liberal Party and Federal Liberal Party.
29:34
Speaker 3: You might argue you'd probably be a lot better with
29:36
Speaker 3: both of you ladies back in charge, that's for sure,
29:39
Speaker 3: all right, Brama, Visha Polly here is great to see
29:41
Speaker 3: you both. Now you might have noticed a bit of
29:44
Speaker 3: a red haze in the air this morning.
29:46
Speaker 8: A bit of.
29:47
Speaker 3: Dusty atmosphere, well, a vicious dust on originated in South Australia.
29:52
Speaker 3: It then made its way to New South Wales and
29:55
Speaker 3: if you were up very early you would have seen
29:58
Speaker 3: this red hayes. Have a look. It was difficult driving
30:01
Speaker 3: for motorists and it triggered an air quality alope for Sydney.
30:05
Speaker 3: Difficult also for those who suffer from asthma. Now if
30:08
Speaker 3: it was bad in Sydney, imagine what the locals in
30:11
Speaker 3: regional South Australia were going through as the dust storms
30:14
Speaker 3: battered towns. And I hope I'm going to say this correctly,
30:17
Speaker 3: such as all Rurou correct me if I'm wrong, and
30:21
Speaker 3: I'm sure my next guest certainly will. The Deputy Mayor
30:24
Speaker 3: of ur Rurou Council, Ralph Goring, joins me. Now, Ralph,
30:28
Speaker 3: have I got that about right? Or am I completely off?
30:31
Speaker 2: No?
30:31
Speaker 14: You got it pretty right, thanks Charry Soe.
30:35
Speaker 3: There, so this dust orm was whipped up from winds
30:38
Speaker 3: in South Australia and Western Victoria. I mean, how bad
30:42
Speaker 3: was it in your part of the world.
30:45
Speaker 14: Yeah, the dust film was pretty severe, you know it
30:49
Speaker 14: was probably only about fifty to sixty kilong the rail winds.
30:52
Speaker 14: But because the country's so dry, we've been in a
30:57
Speaker 14: drought for probably nearly three years now, blow every grainfall
31:02
Speaker 14: for five years. The country's really starting to show. Some
31:06
Speaker 14: of the farmers have started stowing dry as well, just
31:10
Speaker 14: to try and get the crop in and.
31:12
Speaker 6: Hope that it ruins.
31:13
Speaker 14: But yeah, and there's a lot of this dust has
31:17
Speaker 14: come further west than Iru, but it's continued on its
31:21
Speaker 14: way from there, obviously across the.
31:22
Speaker 3: US in m Well, as you say, you know your
31:25
Speaker 3: town has been battling drought for years. Not only difficult
31:28
Speaker 3: for humans, imagine a lot of cattle would have been
31:33
Speaker 3: affected as well.
31:35
Speaker 14: Yeah, cattle, sheep. There's a lot of sheep around this area.
31:41
Speaker 14: Particularly with the dry and coming in cold. The nutrition
31:45
Speaker 14: requirements for the animals are really picking up now because
31:49
Speaker 14: pilarly lambing starts about now, and with lambing they obviously
31:53
Speaker 14: need a lot more nutrition. And there's a well, there's
31:57
Speaker 14: no hate as you can see, like a very dry
31:59
Speaker 14: and so it was very difficult to feed the animals.
32:03
Speaker 14: Now they're looking at even having to sell off the
32:06
Speaker 14: be a breeding stock because I just can't get it,
32:09
Speaker 14: and if they can get us that expensive, they can't
32:11
Speaker 14: afford it.
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Speaker 3: It's just extraordinary vision, which is why we wanted to
32:15
Speaker 3: talk to you tonight. Well, Ralph, stay strong and keep
32:19
Speaker 3: looking after your community. Thank you for joining us now.
32:23
Speaker 14: Thanks, thanks for hold on it.
32:25
Speaker 3: Thank you. That's still to come. Palestinian authorities have praised
32:29
Speaker 3: Alban Easy for his anti Israel comments. Alex Rifchin will
32:32
Speaker 3: give his reaction a bit later in the show. Plus,
32:35
Speaker 3: labor dodgers questions over a loophole allowing politicians to defer
32:40
Speaker 3: paying the super tax. David Pearl, former Assistant Treasury Secretary,
32:44
Speaker 3: would join me to discuss as this outrage grows. That's next,
32:52
Speaker 3: all right, Alex Rifchin coming up shortly, but first let's
32:55
Speaker 3: return to labor supertax, and they sent out Workplace Relations
32:59
Speaker 3: Minister Amanda Rishworth today to defend the proposed supertax after
33:04
Speaker 3: the revelations that politicians on a defined benefit pension, including
33:08
Speaker 3: Alban Easy, will be able to defer paying the tax
33:12
Speaker 3: if it applies to them. Here switching out to say, I'll.
33:16
Speaker 15: Be subject to the same tax if my balance ever
33:20
Speaker 15: reaches over three million dollars. So past federal and state
33:24
Speaker 15: So past federal and future federal MPs will be subject
33:28
Speaker 15: to this tax if their balance gets over three million. Now,
33:31
Speaker 15: this is a reasonable measure.
33:35
Speaker 3: Some might disagree with that, and joining me now is
33:38
Speaker 3: former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl. David, thanks so much
33:41
Speaker 3: for your time. Are you shocked that Labour's pushing ahead
33:44
Speaker 3: with taxing unrealized capital gains?
33:50
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked, Chari, because for me, Labor has completely
33:55
Speaker 1: misread the election result. I think the election result can
33:59
Speaker 1: be attributed to the electorate's reluctance to toss out one
34:02
Speaker 1: term governments, first term governments, the Trump effect, and the
34:05
Speaker 1: worst opposition campaign I think anybody's ever seen. And I'm
34:09
Speaker 1: surprised that Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albernezi haven't stood up
34:12
Speaker 1: and said they have an electoral mandate to impose this
34:16
Speaker 1: unprecedented assault on Australian taxpayers.
34:20
Speaker 3: Unprecedented assault indeed, I mean, what do you think of
34:23
Speaker 3: the principle of taxing unrealized capital gains, especially when we
34:27
Speaker 3: are hearing from financial advisors that people might have to
34:31
Speaker 3: sell assets in order to meet the tax liability.
34:35
Speaker 1: Well, we tax unrealized land values through land tax and rates.
34:41
Speaker 1: But as I've already explained, those taxes typically at one
34:45
Speaker 1: to two percent, and land values don't change in a
34:51
Speaker 1: volatile way. So this is a new departure for our
34:54
Speaker 1: income tax system. I think that's the big thing about this,
34:58
Speaker 1: and it will undoubtedly cause a lot of harm. I
35:03
Speaker 1: think the principle is the objection, because a taxpayer shouldn't
35:08
Speaker 1: have to go into debt or sell assets simply to
35:11
Speaker 1: meet a tax liability, and that's what this unrealized capital
35:14
Speaker 1: gains tax will do to them.
35:17
Speaker 3: So just expanding on that further, when you say it
35:20
Speaker 3: will cause a lot of harm, people might have to
35:22
Speaker 3: go into debt. What do you think the consequences will be?
35:25
Speaker 3: People will have to sell property or you know what
35:28
Speaker 3: are we looking at here?
35:31
Speaker 1: Well, somebody with a self managed fund invested in an
35:34
Speaker 1: illiquid asset like a business or a farm won't be
35:38
Speaker 1: able to sell five, ten, twenty percent of that in
35:41
Speaker 1: order to meet their tax liability. So when they get
35:44
Speaker 1: the bill from the ATO, they'll either have to sell
35:48
Speaker 1: other assets or go into debt. I think that's the difficulty.
35:52
Speaker 1: Those with investments in industry retail funds are in a
35:56
Speaker 1: different position. They can make withdrawals from those funds fairly easily,
35:59
Speaker 1: so it's really in assault on those with self managed
36:03
Speaker 1: super funds, which account for one trillion of our four
36:06
Speaker 1: trillion dollar stock of super with investments in unlisted or
36:10
Speaker 1: illiquid assets.
36:12
Speaker 3: We saw just on another topic, we saw Victoria's opposition
36:16
Speaker 3: delivered their budget reply today vowing to act stamp duty
36:20
Speaker 3: for first home buyers. I mean, this would be popular.
36:24
Speaker 3: What do you think though, is it good policy to
36:26
Speaker 3: act stamp duty for first home buyers.
36:30
Speaker 1: I don't think it's great policy. I think the most
36:33
Speaker 1: sustainable way to make housing more affordable, as experts have
36:36
Speaker 1: pointed out, is to improve supply, and that goes to
36:40
Speaker 1: reducing the costs of construction, making land available, and dealing
36:44
Speaker 1: with council zoning. I think giving first home buyers extra
36:49
Speaker 1: money in their pocket, which both the federal government and
36:52
Speaker 1: the opposition did in the last election campaign and the
36:54
Speaker 1: Victorian opposition doing now, just bids up prices. Yes, some
36:58
Speaker 1: first home buyers will be able to get that house,
37:01
Speaker 1: but it'll create price pressures that will leave others out
37:04
Speaker 1: of the market.
37:04
Speaker 3: I mean we're seeing more and more of that, you know,
37:07
Speaker 3: just spending money to try and win votes, and it's
37:11
Speaker 3: always been the way that there are some elections sweeteners,
37:13
Speaker 3: but it just seems to be getting larger and larger.
37:15
Speaker 3: I mean, I just think that Labour's commitment federally to
37:21
Speaker 3: pay off hex debt is so egregious, it's such, it's
37:24
Speaker 3: so clearly buying the young vote, and you know we
37:28
Speaker 3: see it at a state level as well. Do you
37:30
Speaker 3: think this is now the new normal?
37:34
Speaker 1: Well, it's a new normal because both Labor and the
37:38
Speaker 1: Coalition have ceased defending the interests of taxpayers in this country.
37:43
Speaker 1: So if you lift the veil on all of these
37:47
Speaker 1: spending promises, all of these electoral giveaways, you have both
37:51
Speaker 1: sides of politics reliant on bracket creep and a personal
37:57
Speaker 1: income tax, a personal income tax system which taxes one
38:02
Speaker 1: dollar in every two that you earn over one hundred
38:05
Speaker 1: and eighty thousand dollars, which is less than twice average
38:08
Speaker 1: annual earnings. So taxpayers aren't represented by the two major parties.
38:14
Speaker 1: And I think this is the opportunity for the new
38:18
Speaker 1: liberal leadership to put their stamp on politics and to
38:22
Speaker 1: win a new political constituency which has been neglected since
38:26
Speaker 1: Howard's time.
38:27
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you and I think Australia the
38:30
Speaker 3: figures show Australia has among the highest rates of personal
38:33
Speaker 3: income tax in the world. So this is what we're seeing.
38:36
Speaker 3: David Pearl. Always appreciate your insights. Thank you so much.
38:40
Speaker 3: Now still to come, tears and chaos in Liverpool after
38:44
Speaker 3: a driver plowed into a crowd of football fans. We'll
38:46
Speaker 3: cross live to London and alban easy wins the praise
38:50
Speaker 3: of Palestinian leaders. Alex Rifchun will join me after this
38:53
Speaker 3: quick break. Rogue labor and husick today cold in his
39:01
Speaker 3: own government to impose sanctions on Israel.
39:05
Speaker 9: There's an expectation we move beyond words. I think we
39:08
Speaker 9: should be calling in the Israeli ambassador to stress that Australia,
39:13
Speaker 9: as a member of the international community, expects the humanitarian
39:16
Speaker 9: particularly medical supplies be delivered and the other the third
39:20
Speaker 9: area I think we should be actively considering. And a
39:24
Speaker 9: suspect it's probably under active consideration is drawing up a
39:28
Speaker 9: list of targeted sanctions.
39:31
Speaker 3: And of course his comments come after the Prime Minister
39:34
Speaker 3: yesterday lectured Israel with false accusations. The Executive Council of
39:39
Speaker 3: Australian Jury co CEO Alex Riftin joins me. Now, Alex,
39:42
Speaker 3: great to see you. What was your response when you
39:46
Speaker 3: heard at Husick's comments and are you concerned about this
39:49
Speaker 3: new level of hostility.
39:52
Speaker 10: Well, look, I'm not particularly surprised, I have to tell you.
39:55
Speaker 10: I mean ed Hugh Six's comments were consistent with criticisms
39:59
Speaker 10: he made shortly after his demotion and remarks that he
40:02
Speaker 10: made at the very beginning of the war. I think
40:04
Speaker 10: he's long held these sorts of views, but he's been
40:06
Speaker 10: encumbered by the discipline of being cabinet from actually expressing himself.
40:11
Speaker 10: And now that incumbrance is off, and I think we're
40:14
Speaker 10: seeing his true feelings about Israel. And he will say
40:18
Speaker 10: that he's concerned generally for humanity for both sides. But
40:20
Speaker 10: if you look at his remarks, there's the usual tokenistic
40:24
Speaker 10: condemnation of Hamas and a call for them to release
40:27
Speaker 10: hostages and disarm and whatnot, but there's substantive, serious criticism
40:32
Speaker 10: of Israel. He's talking about bringing the Israeli ambassador, he's
40:35
Speaker 10: talking about imposing sanctions and working with other countries to
40:38
Speaker 10: impose a sanctions regime, and he cause fails to address
40:42
Speaker 10: the actual issue at hand, and we all know what
40:44
Speaker 10: that is, which is, for the first eighteen months of
40:46
Speaker 10: this war, Israel was fighting Humas with one hand and
40:49
Speaker 10: feeding him with the other. You had over one hundred
40:52
Speaker 10: trucks of age going in every day. Hamas would hijack
40:56
Speaker 10: that aid. He would feed its fighters and not its people.
40:59
Speaker 10: It would then sell the AID on the black market
41:01
Speaker 10: to pop up its own regime and its terror forces.
41:05
Speaker 10: And Israel's looking for a solution, and Ed Husick is
41:09
Speaker 10: light on that now. What Israel's doing right now is
41:11
Speaker 10: try to create safe zones within Gaza where the AID
41:14
Speaker 10: can be deposited and safely distributed without a falling to
41:16
Speaker 10: the clutches of Hermas. But these are not the things
41:19
Speaker 10: that Husick is concerned.
41:20
Speaker 3: With, no exactly, And I mean it's similar in a
41:24
Speaker 3: way to at least where the blame is being a
41:28
Speaker 3: portion for Albanesi's remarks yesterday, which Palestinian representatives have now praised.
41:34
Speaker 3: I mean Albinizi had this one sided, biased view where
41:37
Speaker 3: he puts all the pressure on Israel instead of constantly
41:40
Speaker 3: demanding that Hermas releases the hostages and surrenders. Because if
41:45
Speaker 3: there were no terrorists. Israel wouldn't need to be in
41:47
Speaker 3: Gaza in the first place. Alex, Well, that's.
41:51
Speaker 10: The frustrating thing, showy. And we know how this's war started.
41:55
Speaker 10: But I think the government is quickly forgetting and I
41:57
Speaker 10: think they're forgetting the situation with the hostages, which is
42:00
Speaker 10: obviously very close to our hearts and something which we
42:02
Speaker 10: will never forget and never let go of. And the
42:06
Speaker 10: fact that Hummas began this war and that they're seeking
42:09
Speaker 10: to achieve the international isolation of Israel, that this sort
42:13
Speaker 10: of condemnation which they're reaping from Western governments, including our own,
42:16
Speaker 10: plays exactly into their strategy. So we've said all along
42:20
Speaker 10: that this war ends with the end of Hamas. Anything
42:23
Speaker 10: short of that means that in a year or two
42:25
Speaker 10: years will return to the same cycle of violence, more bloodshed,
42:29
Speaker 10: more needless war. Humas has to go, and the government
42:32
Speaker 10: if it was really interested in peace in the region,
42:34
Speaker 10: rather than tokenistic symbolic statements, it would be joining us
42:39
Speaker 10: in the international community in saying Hamas to unconditionally surrender immediately,
42:44
Speaker 10: and that would end the civilian and human suffering on
42:47
Speaker 10: both sides.
42:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it sounds tonight. I had Sharon Haskell on
42:50
Speaker 3: the show early and she basically said that Australia has
42:53
Speaker 3: lost its seat at the table to be part of
42:56
Speaker 3: the conversation about what happens to Gaza afterwards. Out of time,
43:00
Speaker 3: but I just quickly want to get your view on
43:03
Speaker 3: the University of Sydney academics who are now trying to
43:06
Speaker 3: stop the university from adopting a proper definition of anti Semitism.
43:13
Speaker 10: Well, there's nothing surprising in this, and these academics and
43:16
Speaker 10: students at every turn seek to marginalize and isolate Jewish students.
43:20
Speaker 10: And I have to commend particularly the Australasian Union of
43:23
Speaker 10: Jewish Students in the five A group that have stood
43:25
Speaker 10: up heroically in extremely trying circumstances, and the Jewish communities
43:29
Speaker 10: with them and stand shoulders shouldered with them, and we
43:32
Speaker 10: will fight this. You know, there is an end to
43:36
Speaker 10: the impunity been able to marginalize and harass and torn
43:40
Speaker 10: Jewish students, to keep them off campus, to purge them
43:43
Speaker 10: from society. We're not going to let it happen. And
43:46
Speaker 10: this important definition of anti Semitism helps actually understand what.
43:51
Speaker 6: It is and you know, remedying in some form.
43:54
Speaker 10: So we're going to fight Ford and we're going to
43:56
Speaker 10: stand with students and doing so.
43:59
Speaker 3: Alex, always great to have you on the show. Thank
44:01
Speaker 3: you so much again for your time. All right, after
44:04
Speaker 3: the break, we'll cross to London for the latest on
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Speaker 3: the Liverpool crash that's in a minute. Welcome back. We're
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Speaker 3: going to cross now to the UK and return to
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Speaker 3: the scene of the crime to Liverpool where a car
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Speaker 3: ran into a crowd of people, hospitalizing twenty seven including
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Speaker 3: four children on the ground for us in Liverpool, not London.
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Speaker 3: In Liverpool is News Cop Europe correspondent Sophie Elsworth. Sophie,
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Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining us.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 3: Police have said they're not treating this as a terror attack.
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Speaker 3: What do we know about the motivation behind this.
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Speaker 16: This point in time, we know very little. We know
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Speaker 16: that a fifty three year old white British male from
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Speaker 16: Liverpool has been.
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Speaker 3: Arrested, but that is all the detail to date that
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Speaker 3: we have on the driver.
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Speaker 16: And there's a lot of people obviously very keen to
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Speaker 16: hear what the motivations were behind this tragedy that struck
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Speaker 16: the sharry behind me. I mean, this was a city
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Speaker 16: that was absolutely in peak celebration yesterday on Monday on
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Speaker 16: our Bank holiday here in the UK, and then it
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Speaker 16: quickly turned to sheer devastation when this car plowed through
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Speaker 16: the crowd and injured.
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Speaker 3: Dozens of people.
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Speaker 16: So there's still a lot of detail yet to unfold,
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Speaker 16: but we do not know what caused the driver to
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Speaker 16: push his way and plow his way through this crowd, Charry,
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Speaker 16: And there's also questions been asked how on earth was
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Speaker 16: he able to get through the crowd in a vehicle.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the police were very quick to come out
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Speaker 3: and say that this was not being treated as a
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Speaker 3: terror attack, but then they haven't explained why they're making
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Speaker 3: that statement. I mean, the driver could have been drunk,
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Speaker 3: it could have been a health issue like a heart attacker.
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Speaker 3: Is there any motivation that's been discussed at off or
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Speaker 3: why they were so decisive and saying it wasn't a
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Speaker 3: terror attack.
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Speaker 16: Well, they wanted to stamp this out, Charry very quickly
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Speaker 16: because they were very concerned that misinformation would spread online
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Speaker 16: on social media, so they wanted to come out with
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Speaker 16: these key facts to stamp out any speculation very quickly.
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Speaker 16: But some witnesses did tell some of the news channels
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Speaker 16: that the driver appeared agitated in the lead up to
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Speaker 16: this unfolding of events and seemed distressed or agitated as
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Speaker 16: he plowed through the crowd, and then we saw people
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Speaker 16: running and attacking the car because they were so livid
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Speaker 16: with were unfolded. We know that children have also been
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Speaker 16: injured in this charry, So it's a tragedy that Liverpool's
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Speaker 16: still trying to come to churms with. People are coming
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Speaker 16: down looking here to see what has actually happened, and
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Speaker 16: many people just going how can we have a city
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Speaker 16: that was celebrating such a momentous occasion with the victory
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Speaker 16: in the English Premier League to now.
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Speaker 3: Mourning in his track. Many people in hospital recovering from this. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and we can see behind you that was the main
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Speaker 3: street where it happened, where the parade was taking place
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Speaker 3: and the crowds were gathered. You just mentioned the children
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Speaker 3: who had been injured. Do we have any update on
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Speaker 3: their condition now, how they're doing.
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Speaker 16: So we were asking various authorities who were down here
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Speaker 16: today talking to the press and they're not giving detail
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Speaker 16: on that either. Many of the injured are in various
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Speaker 16: hospitals around Liverpool, so there's still a lot of unknown
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Speaker 16: We expect to get more detail today. It's only lunchtime
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Speaker 16: here in the UK. But there's so many questions that
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Speaker 16: need to be answered and authorities really sharey they had
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Speaker 16: weeks of planning for this event, So how this unfolded?
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Speaker 16: What was the motivation that must be determined, and we're
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Speaker 16: waiting to find out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's the sort of incident that could really
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Speaker 3: happen anywhere, and that's what's so terrifying. But when you
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Speaker 3: look at the vision, as the cows, as the car
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Speaker 3: is plowing through the crowds, you'd really have to think
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Speaker 3: it's a miracle that no one was killed.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, Sharry, I mean, it's unbelievable because they say the
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Speaker 16: reports are that there are a million people. This is
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Speaker 16: a parade that stretched for ten miles, so sixteen kilometers.
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Speaker 3: It was massive. Liverpool is a huge club obviously in
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Speaker 3: the UK.
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Speaker 16: They've got supporters all over the world. The town was
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Speaker 16: booked out. This was a massive event and then to
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Speaker 16: have this happen and no one die is really quite
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Speaker 16: remarkable so far to date.
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Speaker 3: All right, Sophy, appreciate your time and that's all we've
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Speaker 3: got time for today. I'll see you tomorrow at eight
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Speaker 3: o'clock right here, here's Paul Murray.