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3 Guys Before The Game - Kansas State Game Preview (Episode 584) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up. Welcome in?
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  Speaker 2: It is it is it is. It is time for
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  Speaker 2: three guys, b for the game. It's rolling quick. It's
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  Speaker 2: the Kansas State game preview for those scoring at home.
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  Speaker 2: This is episode number five hundred and eighty four, five
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  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty four, which I guess would put us
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  Speaker 2: in six seconds l two hundred and sixteen away from
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  Speaker 2: episode eight hundred, which is not happening.
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  Speaker 1: If we did to a day for the next one
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  Speaker 1: hundred days.
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  Speaker 2: Be done, we could do it off into the sunset.
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  Speaker 2: We go one hundred and twenty days, getting closer. When
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  Speaker 2: it was episode four hundred and I said there's never
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  Speaker 2: gonna be Was that one that started? Was that one
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  Speaker 2: that started when I said there's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: eight hundred? Probably anyway, Thanks for being with us. You
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  Speaker 2: noticed the days are getting shorter? Oh yeah, I know,
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  Speaker 2: Trust me, I know it's dark.
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  Speaker 2: bad boy. Those guys think the coal rush game is
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  Speaker 2: still on.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I got black I'm gonna get used out.
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  Speaker 2: Of it, obviously. I'll tell you what. I got all
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: Here we go for anything. Second home game at night
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  Speaker 2: in a row, which is an otity. It's West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: and Kansas State one half hour earlier, seven thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Actually seven forty oh really.
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  Speaker 2: Kick a seven forty oh?
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  Speaker 1: Thanks?
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  Speaker 2: Last week it was an eight oh five, so you're
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  Speaker 2: twenty five minutes earlier. This week, it's West Virginia and
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  Speaker 2: Kansas State, a team that the Mountaineers did not see
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  Speaker 2: last year. Second year, second week in a row that
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  Speaker 2: we've played, a team that we didn't see a year ago. However,
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  Speaker 2: they're familiar. They're familiar. Their numbers speak for themselves, whether
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  Speaker 2: you've seen them or not. Running Back DJ Gidden second
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  Speaker 2: the conference in running that football over one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: thirty yards per game. Quarterback Avery Johnson quick rising star
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  Speaker 2: in this league at the quarterback position. Jase Brown catching
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  Speaker 2: a lot of passes. Got a few young fellows over
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  Speaker 2: there on defense that are long and play angry. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a game. They're better than Iowa State. There,
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  Speaker 2: I said it. What I said? They're better than Iowa State.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like in Vegas, let's just say it's neutral
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  Speaker 2: and they're playing in flat woods. Okay, a line would
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  Speaker 2: favor line with favorite k State. Senator, would you agree
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  Speaker 2: with that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that would right now, but I do
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  Speaker 3: think I agree with you that Kansas State is better.
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  Speaker 2: I think it might be well plus minus one.
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  Speaker 3: Power ranks right now. Iowa State it's ahead of where
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  Speaker 3: Kansas State is. I believe I haven't left at that.
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  Speaker 3: Don't care quite frankly about Iowa State and Kansastate matching up.
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  Speaker 3: I do think Kansas State is better than Iowa State.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I agree with Parker point. He gave me half.
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  Speaker 2: He gave me. He gave me half what I was
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  Speaker 2: looking for. All right, So coming up obviously a big
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  Speaker 2: time challenge for the Mountaineers that did not get it
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  Speaker 2: done last Saturday. Now they've got another opportunity here against
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  Speaker 2: a Kansas State team that came through a ton of
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  Speaker 2: adversity last Saturday. I mean it was set up for
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  Speaker 2: them in a hostile environment in Colorado. Coach Prime. Coach
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  Speaker 2: Prime had the Buffaloes fired up right, Ralphie came out,
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  Speaker 2: He had the crowd all world up. Crowd was really
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  Speaker 2: good in Case State. I mean, let's just say this.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't symphony smooth, but they got out of there
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  Speaker 2: with it, got out of there with a w. I'll
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  Speaker 2: be interested to see what if any that does to them.
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  Speaker 2: Does that bolster them? Does that give them a bounce?
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  Speaker 2: In their collective step or is coming down the road
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  Speaker 2: for the second straight week. Does that maybe take away
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of their polish? That's the question you
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  Speaker 2: pondering that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thinking of all of that.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to go to get your
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  Speaker 2: hoppies obvious out I.
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  Speaker 1: Can do that. Whenever you cue me up. Are you
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  Speaker 1: cueing me up? You're teeing me up? Now give me
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  Speaker 1: give me an opening thought. Okay, opening thought is who
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  Speaker 1: hoppies obvious observations is? I think you started down that
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  Speaker 1: correct path. One is once again for the second week
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  Speaker 1: in a row, I think you get a five on
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity index. Yeah, okay, because and frankly, it's like
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  Speaker 1: deja vous all over again. You're playing a ranked conference
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  Speaker 1: team at home at night, where the opponent is about
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  Speaker 1: a three to three and a half point favorite, and
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  Speaker 1: you got a chance to get right. It feels almost
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  Speaker 1: like last week, even though you guys are going to
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  Speaker 1: argue that Kansas State is better and I'll defer to
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  Speaker 1: you on that. So that's that's the first thing. The
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  Speaker 1: second thing is that this is going to be a
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  Speaker 1: determinive game because so much there's so much angst out there,
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  Speaker 1: after three losses and which we're going to get into
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  Speaker 1: about coaching. Neil Brown's comment at his press conference this week,
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  Speaker 1: which was taken out of context, and I'll speak to
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  Speaker 1: that as we will later in this in this broadcast.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a high level of ANNGS. Now you have
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to get right and tamp that down with
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  Speaker 1: a win. But if you lose, then it's going to
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  Speaker 1: go from a boil to a roar. Uh. That that's
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen this Kansas State team. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: listen to listen to what Chad Scott said. They don't
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  Speaker 1: do anything to hurt themselves. If they're responsible for B
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  Speaker 1: and Sea gap, they're going to be in B and
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  Speaker 1: Sea gap. If they're supposed to blitz, they blitz. If
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  Speaker 1: they're supposed to keep the contained, they keep the contained.
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  Speaker 1: They're not going to get greedy and try to make
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  Speaker 1: a play that's not their play. They're going to be
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  Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be. Brad, does that sound like
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  Speaker 1: last week's opponent? Yes, So you got a you have
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  Speaker 1: a well coached, fundamentally sound team with a running quarterback
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  Speaker 1: and why Thompson in the play by play announcer for
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  Speaker 1: the for the Wildcats. I talked to me yesterday. He
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  Speaker 1: says that Thompson can run like the wind, like a
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  Speaker 1: Midwestern wind. He's a fast guy. And when you have
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  Speaker 1: running quarterbacks, a running quarterback, it gives you, it gives
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  Speaker 1: you problems. And he said, they replaced all of the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line from last year. And he's and I said,
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  Speaker 1: but it's Kansas State. You always have big old offensive lineman.
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  Speaker 1: He said, well, that's true. They're pretty good again. So
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  Speaker 1: they've reloaded on the offensive line, So huge challenge five
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  Speaker 1: on the opportunity index.
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  Speaker 2: You don't mind me asking when did you talk to
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  Speaker 2: Wyatt yesterday afternoon? But he wasn't on your gab fest show.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I just caught texted him and he's got
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  Speaker 1: back to me and we had a nice chant.
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  Speaker 2: So you just basically, I mean, you were you were
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  Speaker 2: just working a source. You're just trying to you're milking
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  Speaker 2: a cow.
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  Speaker 1: Well, two things, One, I wanted to see what Wyatt thought,
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  Speaker 1: and second of all, he's just a great guy and
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  Speaker 1: I like reconnecting with him. Yeah he is, But also
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  Speaker 1: Wyatt being Wyatt said, boy, we're worried about coming to Morgantown.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you come there and it's a night game,
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  Speaker 1: and but that's you know, they're just they're just great folks,
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  Speaker 1: and just I wanted to get his insight.
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  Speaker 2: Very mountaineer esque. Oh yeah, often say that. Yeah, very
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  Speaker 2: very very very similar. Yes, very similar, Senator.
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  Speaker 3: So let's hit the situational spot first because we'll get
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  Speaker 3: into the matchup analysis here in a minute. But situation,
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  Speaker 3: you guys kind of touched on it a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: This sets up as a really good spot for West Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: And as I always say, in situational spots, you don't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily always win the games that set up as good
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  Speaker 3: spots for you, but you like starting there. West Virginia
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  Speaker 3: did win one against Oklahoma State. That was a great spot.
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  Speaker 3: West Virginia winning play an a plus game took care
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  Speaker 3: of business. I still thought you had a good win
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  Speaker 3: last week. With everything going on around the game and
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  Speaker 3: the matchup on the field, you didn't take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 3: You made too many stakes you didn't get to win.
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  Speaker 3: Here's another good one, and here's why you're at home
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  Speaker 3: off a disappointing loss with a lot of external noise
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  Speaker 3: and normally, well, how does that help West Virginia. This
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  Speaker 3: program shown that that's really when it's in its wheelhouse,
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  Speaker 3: it is popped back from the dead multiple times in
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  Speaker 3: these situations. Look no further than earlier against Pitt Right
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  Speaker 3: when you return home in a game that you feel
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  Speaker 3: had to be a must win and you handled it,
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  Speaker 3: you can from behind, storm from behind at the end
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  Speaker 3: and pulled went off. He'd go back to last year,
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  Speaker 3: all the external noise around the program, that Neil was
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  Speaker 3: gonna get fired, you're gonna fish last than the Big twelve,
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  Speaker 3: all of that, what you do came out had a
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  Speaker 3: successful season. So this this group has shown an ability
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  Speaker 3: to tune out the external noise and go to work.
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  Speaker 3: So from that standpoint, I like it. I might have
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  Speaker 3: a caveat to that coming up, but that particular, just
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  Speaker 3: on its surface, that has played well. Kansas State's in
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  Speaker 3: its second straight road game. As you guys alluded to,
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  Speaker 3: they're crossing over into their third time zone to play
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  Speaker 3: this one. They were in the Mountain time zone, they
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  Speaker 3: went home to Central. Now they're coming east, all within
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  Speaker 3: a week's time frame, the same conference, same conference, three
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  Speaker 3: time zones. Last week was highly emotional, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: mean that because they snatched a victory from the jaws
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  Speaker 3: of defeat. They were down. They gave up a near
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  Speaker 3: pick six with under or just with a couple minutes
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  Speaker 3: to go, didn't turn into a pick six. Guy was tackled.
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  Speaker 3: Colorado punches it in that place, was going bananas with
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  Speaker 3: two minutes to go. When Avery Johnson in Case State
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  Speaker 3: got the ball back, they had a great play, big
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  Speaker 3: pass down the line left sideline got him a touchdown,
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  Speaker 3: won it that That was a game that looked like
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  Speaker 3: a loss with two minutes remaining. If you listen to
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  Speaker 3: their folks, multiple of their folks talked about the the
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  Speaker 3: difficult experience it was in Colorado from a fan behavior standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: from the Colorado administration standpoint, the Kansas State folks did
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  Speaker 3: not seem to have a good experience in Colorado. Fans
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  Speaker 3: were mean to the what it sounds like, I wasn't there.
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  Speaker 2: You're hearing reports.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you've heard. So I was an emotional game
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  Speaker 3: and emotional win. A lot going on around in that stadium.
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  Speaker 3: In Case State found a way to win it in
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  Speaker 3: dramatic fashion. Now they have to get back up emotionally
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  Speaker 3: for this week and again listen to their folks. They're
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  Speaker 3: saying what Wyatt said, Oh know, I got to go
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  Speaker 3: to Morgantown at night. It's difficult place to play. Had
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  Speaker 3: this game marked at the beginning of the season, is
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  Speaker 3: a potential stumbling brock for the Wildcats. It's a hard
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  Speaker 3: place to play. So all of that's going on there.
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  Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, they play Kansas next week,
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  Speaker 3: so this does set up again. I'm I'm not predicting,
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  Speaker 3: so I don't need ten texts next week if West
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  Speaker 3: Virginia loses. I'm just simply saying from a situation standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: you've got some factors that you can build upon. If
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  Speaker 3: you're West Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: No, you do a very nice job of laying out
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  Speaker 2: the possible set up there. You're not saying one way
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  Speaker 2: or the other. You're just saying from a situational standpoint.
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  Speaker 2: Folks in Las Vegas would look at this as the situation.
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  Speaker 3: Part of why I would think the line is where
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  Speaker 3: it is because power ranking wise, that probably should be
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  Speaker 3: another couple of points. A lot of projections out there
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  Speaker 3: have this five or six, but I think the situational
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  Speaker 3: spot matters to those lines, and I think West Virginia
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  Speaker 3: is in an advantageous spot. Now, can they take advantage
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  Speaker 3: of a team that I thinks maybe the best in
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  Speaker 3: this league.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, you think K State's best.
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  Speaker 3: I think Case State's pretty good, and yeah, and and
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  Speaker 3: pretty good and really good and going to present some
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  Speaker 3: problems from a matchup standpoint for West Virginia, which.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're going to get into that on spread zone snaps,
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  Speaker 2: I will, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm basically going to go on one category and ride it.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna get a lot of stuff on one category.
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  Speaker 2: going down one line here by the way, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a little tight he.
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  Speaker 1: Is, but that's Brad. Roll with it. Sometimes he's loose,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes he's tight. Just roll with it.
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  Speaker 2: There's never a middle though, is there?
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  Speaker 1: Not?
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  Speaker 2: Usually?
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  Speaker 1: But that's okay, it's bread. We know Brad. So if
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  Speaker 1: he's tight, we go with that. If he's loose, we
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  Speaker 1: go with that. Okay, not tight, we just got stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you have to get into you.
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  Speaker 2: So you're taking this game like serious.
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  Speaker 3: We got games. See, I get stuff. Kind of buckle down,
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  Speaker 3: find ways to win your stand I get it. Just
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  Speaker 3: trying to help what the computer say. So let's talk this.
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  Speaker 3: Here's here's the area that we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 3: in this entire segment, the running game. Mm hmm, both sides.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's interesting to me in this matchup. The last
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: two game tames for West Virginia has been strength on weakness.
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma State Iowa State both had trouble stopping the run.
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  Speaker 3: West Virginia want to run it on offense. Oklahoma State
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  Speaker 3: couldn't West Virginia one hot. Iowa State did. Western Hey
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: lost that game. Both of the offenses for those opposing teams,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma State and Iowa State had been effective through the air.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: West Virginia had struggled to defend the pass. Did a
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: pretty good job against Oklahoma State. Alan Bowman totally ineffective.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: You win the game, Rock Obeck pretty effective, those two
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: receivers pretty good Western He lost the game. Other reasons why,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: but that was strength on weakness on both sides of
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: the ball, and we wanted to see which one turned out.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: I think this is totally different this week. This to
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: me is strength on strength. This is both teams want
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: to run it. Both teams have been pretty good running it.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: This is both defenses have been very good against the run.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Who stops the run? This to me is run the
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: football both sides. Can West Virginia slow down? What's a
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: super running attack for Camp State? Can West Virginia get
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: something going against what's been a good run defense and
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: a West Virginia rush offense that I continue to say this, guys,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: there's some numbers and I won't give them all to
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: you now that are really good. This offense has some
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: second in the league in some different offensive categories, and
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: yet I think everybody Neil included would look at the
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: offense and go, yet still hadn't clicked yet outside of
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: the Oklahoma State game. I think there's some runway here,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: but it just hasn't gone on track a lot of
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: it because of the turnovers and the mistakes. Right, But
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: this is an offense that feels close, So we're going
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: to hit the offense side. The other biggest question on
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: this is just inn West Virginia's run defense hold up.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: We've mentioned this going into the Oklahoma State game. It's
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: been pretty good. It's taken really talented individual backs and
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: held them in check for the most part. It's getting
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: probably the best back at seen all year, and I'm
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: including the Penn State guys in that equation. With DJ Giddins,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: he's been outstanding. He leads the Big Twelve in rushing yards.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: So let's get into some of these numbers. Giddins leads
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the Big Twelve rushing yards. Jaheem White, Garrett Green, and
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: cj are ten, eleven and twelve in the Big Twelve
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: in rushing yards, and again that's from what feels like
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: an offense that hasn't clicked yet, hop Right. It hasn't
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: been nearly as dominant or explosive as we saw last year,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: and you're still putting those together. So which of those
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: groups comes out to winning that I mentioned green right there?
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: This game does feature you mentioned Davery Johnson's ability to run.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Hop These are the two best running quarterbacks in the
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: league in terms of yards rushing. Garrett's one, Avery Johnson
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: number two. Here's a big question on this part of
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: it though. Johnson's health is something to keep an eye on.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: He left that Colorado game with what looked like an
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: oblique type of injury and it just came on a pass.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Nobody hit him, came on a pass he winced, grabbed
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: his side, went out of the game and to the
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: locker room. Now he returned, returned and had that big
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: game winning touchdown pass. It was, by the way, a
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: great pass return to the game. But they didn't run
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: him after that. So that begs the question coming into
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: this game, how often and will are they going to
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: be to run Johnson? Especially early? Do they try and
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: pare it down and think they can get it done
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: with just DJ Giddons, which maybe they can't because right,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: he's a stud. And I'm gonna get some more numbers
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: on Giddins. He's an absolute stud. But does that limit
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Kansas State a little bit if they try not to
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: run Johnson? Do they save him just for high leverage situations,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: key short yardage or red zone carries? It would certainly
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: help the defense if his run game is hampered even
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: a little bit, because again, he's fantastic. Some things to
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: watch here with the two quarterbacks running. Garrett when he
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: takes off has picked up forty four percent of his
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: rushing yards after contact. Okay, almost half his yards. It's
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: actually down in terms of where he was lash Ers
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: closer to fifty percent. But how about this for Avery
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Johnson only twenty eight percent of his rushing yards or
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: after contact. So he's getting some space to run right,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: and his speed has a lot to do with that.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: But he's been very good in the run game. These
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: two teams guys have the two best tackling grades in
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: the Big twelve per PFF. Team can get the other
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: quarterback and running back on the ground. Sixty percent of
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Giddon's yards are after contact, as are cjs, and they're
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: both the bigger of the two backs that both teams
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: will use. So who tackles better? Colorado missed sixteen tackles
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: last week according to PFF on Kansas State. If West
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Virginia's in that territory, you've got some problems. And remember
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: that was a pretty good run defense that had shut
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: down UCF for Colorado and Kind State had some success
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: on the ground Giddins in particular. So which team can
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: tackle better? How about this number? Guys, this jumped to me.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: We've talked about this West Virginia offense just hasn't been
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: able to break loose for the big plays, especially on
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: the ground, and a lot of that's by design. All
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: of those rushers for West Virginia come in at the
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: top of the scouting report for opponents, right, you think
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: they prepare for Garrett running it for Jahemian CJ. They have.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: But here's a number to back this up. Seventy one
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: percent of Jaheem White's yards have come after contact this year.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Seventy one percent for jeema a guy that wants to
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: operate in space. That number last year as he ran
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: for nearly eight hundred, just forty seven percent of yards
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: after contact. That's a massive change and jump. He hasn't
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: been able to break loose and get out in space.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Teams are doing a better job of bottling that up.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: That's something to watch. Can Jehem White get out in
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: space and get you some big plays because we've seen guys.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: It's really hard to ask an offense, particularly this West
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Virginia offense, to have multiple ten plus play drives and
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: get touchdowns. You've got to find a way to get
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: some easy score.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: You know, Brad.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Except for the Oklahoma State game or was it the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Kansas game? Whatever, we watch these games, we talk about it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: We keep waiting. You think every time Jaheem gets the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: ball and he's getting to the outside, like this is it,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: this is it? This is it? Right, and just haven't
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: seen his He just hasn't broken those runs, which you
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: think is just the next run.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there just hasn't been enough space. And again, the
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: same could be true. We're talking running game, but the
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: same could be true in the passing game as well.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Teams have scouted that and they're just saying to you,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: you're not going to throw it over the top like
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you did last year. You're going to have to move
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: down the field by throwing in front of us. So
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: maybe this isn't the week to do this, but you've
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: got to get back to finding some easy touchdown scoring drives.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Get a turnover and get a short field and get
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: something that's easy instead of the slog of the twelve
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: play drive that you're asking this offense to do the
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: whole time. I'll give you one last thing on the
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: running game here, guys. We often talk about the skill
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: guys in the run game, as I just did for
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: however many minutes that was. But for the first time
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: in program history, I'm bringing a new stat first time
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: in program history.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on, let me do this.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Good new stat kerchival. Yes, historic moment in the show.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Right in that case, let me do one second, let
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: me do this. Well, I got a little three second
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: stinger and let me just hang on with a second.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Please, what's happening?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I just I just want to do this since
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: it's historical.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, So this is from my guys over at Sports
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Info Solutions. Oh yeah, Sis, of course I've got some
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: great stuff over there. You tell me about getting lost
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: for hours. Here's one. Here's a new one for us.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Blown blocks be blown blocks. It's defined as anytime a
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: blocker does not successfully block the defender they attempted to
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: engage with and as a result, gives the defender an
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: opportunity to negatively affect the play. When you go through
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the league leaders in blown blocks, you have to start
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: scrolling for these two teams. You're scrolling down the list.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: You don't stop on a Kansas State player until number
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: twenty one in the league individually, twenty first in blown blocks,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: So you have to go down a couple more before
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: you get to the first West Virginia player that's at
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: twenty five. The k State player that's at twenty one
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: terms of blown blocks has blown a block on only
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: two percent of his snaps, and that's their worst guy.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: West Virginia's player has blown a block on one point
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: seven percent of his blocks. That's their highest rate or
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: worst rate, right the most blown blocks on the team,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: and that's what you're dealing with. So you're not talking
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: about a lot right here. Both of these lines have
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: been very good. Of the three hundred and eighty four
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: combined run blocks, for those two guys I'm talking about,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: they've only had two total blown blocks, less than one
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: percent of their snaps. It's incredible, and we could I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: just didn't want to bore everybody with all those details,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: could have gone across the whole offensive line. But you're
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: basically going to find that these have been good offensive lines.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: These are offensive lines that have been effective in the
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: running game. West Virginia's, I think, in particular, has been
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: very good in the pass game. So two really good
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: offensive lines. This is just going to simply be a
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: question who can line up and run against the other team, which, again,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: both of these defenses have been pretty good at run
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: stopping as well, So there's a ton other information to
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: get into. We could talk about passing game, we could
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: talk about the ability of these teams, but both these
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: teams want the other quarterback to have to throw, and
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: if the other quarterback beats you with his arm, you're
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: going to your cap to them, right If if you're
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Kansas State, you're gonna say, we are not letting those
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: three guys run on us. Garrett, go ahead and throw
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: underneath all day long. If you can, let's see if
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: your receivers can beat our guys in one on one matchups.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: On the outside, we talked about how Kansas State did
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: this to Oklahoma State, where they dropped everybody down in
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: the run game, and they put those guys on the island,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: said go ahead, come on. And Kansasate has questions about
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: their secondary. They had questions coming in. They still do.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: They've had some injuries, but they're gonna line up and
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: say to Westernings receivers, we don't think you're better than us,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: go ahead and show us stop the run. On West
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Virginia's side of things, the same thing is going to
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: be true. That does give me some concern, right, because
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: West Virgin's gonna have to do what Tony to help
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: stop the run game, bring some go more personnel. Right,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have to do something with the safeties. You're
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: gonna have to. Colorado went with five guys across the
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: front in the second half.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: They basically just said you're not gonna run it. Go ahead,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Avery Johnson, try and beat us. Now he ultimately did,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: but they just said we're gonna you can't run. We're
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: not gonna let you run anymore. Put five guys across
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the front, drop people down, put eight in them, eight
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: nine in the box, say go ahead and figure it out. Yeah,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to. So I focus all on
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: running game. Each of these teams is probably gonna have
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: to throw it at some point to have some success
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: and move the chains. But who's gonna line up and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: be able to say, I know you want to stop us,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: we can still run on you.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, they're about as extreme as you could be.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Currently in the Big Twelve, they're number one in run defense,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: fifteen in pass defense. A couple of other notes these
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: are like, these are like baby. He comes in with
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the high level calculus stuff. These are baby stats. But
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I just just doing some simple math. They are allowing
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: only eleven points per game at home. They've allowed thirty
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: one points per game in their road games.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Right, so that is that opponent adjusted though.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, you had at two lane, they gave
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: up twenty seven.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Right, you went to two lane at.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: BYU, they gave up thirtty eight, which is like in
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: three minutes and a lot of weird things happen.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: So then in Colorado they gave up twenty eight.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: A bunch of times at BYU.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Right, that Colrado offense is different. That's a beast of
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: an offense. I agree, that's a dude at quarterback and receiver.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: So that's just saying that's a different offense.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Just I mean, you can do what you want. I mean,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I'll present the numbers you decide. I mean, I'm just
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: that's all I'm kind of saying. All Right, so you
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: got I can see you got a little bit more.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do a little bit more.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: All right, Fine, let's gep going.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: That didn't take as long as I thought it would
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: get through the Avery Johnson factor. And again, I know
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Westford in his defense hasn't inspired a lot of confidence
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: in its its coverage units. You're still asking young linebackers
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: to be in the right spot. You're asking corners and
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: safeties that have not gelled to get it together without
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the communication problems you've seen all season, in particular last week.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Can you get an Avery Johnson I would have preferred
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: to be playing Avery Johnson trying to throw it back
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: in September. I do think he's starting to find his groove,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: and this just in you know, you can get better
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: throughout the season. I think he is as a thrower,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: he's gotten a I've been touchdown five interception ratio eleven
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: to five, but if you look at the PFF numbers,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: six big time throws to seven turnover worthy plays. So
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: hop what am I going to ask for in this game?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: You want a couple turnovers.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Like some regression, like some regression in this part of it,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: and see if see if you can get that from
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Avery Johnson throwing it. Let's give you a couple Garrett
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: numbers real quick. We've talked about the turnovers, and that's
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: again number one key, and that's becoming something. I always
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: say it's a number one key, but we rarely talk
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: about it because it's the number one key and everybody knows this,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: it's number one key. It might have to start being
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: something we talk about every game. The turnovers and the
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: mistakes are what are holding this particular West Virginia team back.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: And we talk so much about it on the offensive
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: side because it's easy to quantify. The defense obviously has
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: to clean it stuff up, you know, letting those guys
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: just run untouched through the secondary last week with communication
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: issues obviously can't happen. But how about just some numbers here.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Last season, there was no quarterback in the Big twelve
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: that played more games with few interceptions than Garrett. So
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: if if you want to look at something, if he
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: can limit those this week and you can keep moving
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: forward with the offense and not kill drives. That's huge
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: right there, Even if nothing else changes. If the snaps
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: are good and there's no interceptions, that right there changes
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: the offensive profile, does it?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Not?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Percent?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely clean, that's the word, got to play clean.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Garrett's averaging four point nine to two air yards per attempt.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: That's down just a hair from last year at five
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: point four to four. Avery Johnson three point five seven
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: air yards per attempt. That's twelfth and he's twelfth in
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: the Big twelve in intended air yards. So there hasn't
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: been a ton downfield there was to beat Colorado. How
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: does this pass defense due in what's going to be
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: limited Hell, probably because you're going to dedicate guys to
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: stop the run. Are they able to just drop back
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: and are they able to run a little bit? Or
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: if they're stopped, do they say, okay, fine, you wants
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: to throw. We don't think you can stop us. Now
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: we're gonna throw on you.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I think on both sides, I think West Virginia's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: first objective is stop the run has to be so
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: they're gonna say, okay, you're gonna beat us. With your arm,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: beat us with your arm. You're not gonna run it,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and the same thing with them, right, You don't know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: but we could be on the schedule here for another
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: limited possession game if these two teams can run the football,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: shortening the game. Right. Long possessions West Virginia used up
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: half the first quarter last week, whether it's first drive,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: you could be on limited possessions, which further makes the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: turnovers that much more important.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, think about it. You got eight possessions
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: last week, you had two interceptions and a missed field goal.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, now your window is incredibly narrow.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: And a field goal on a fourth So half of
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: the possessions you only got three points. Yeah, so you
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: talk about having to be ultra efficient to win that game.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: So turnovers in this one, and I've mentioned this before,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Westerring is just really struggling in this area. There's there's
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: only like five Power five teams that are worse than them,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: and if I went through the list, they're teams that
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: you'd go, yep, they're really struggling. So you alternate between
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a Florida State, it's a Purdue or
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: two of those, and you look at those and say, Okay, yeah, no,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: wonder it's actually one of those you know, the two
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: sides of the coin.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I give you that.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: You're like, here's what the problem has been offensively, but
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: then you say, it's pretty amazing you some of your
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: other numbers are as efficient as they are given your
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: turning it over at a rate that's in the bottom
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: of the country. Some of this is is also too.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Where's Kansas state in the turnover department? They had a
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: ridiculous plus twenty three turnover margin the last two seasons
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  Speaker 3: coming into this year twenty three. There were only four
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  Speaker 3: teams each of those years that were better than them
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  Speaker 3: or had more plus turnovers.
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  Speaker 2: They should regress to the means.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you keep saying. Now they have they're at
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: a zero and this year they're dead even seven giveaways
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  Speaker 3: seven takeaways, So they have regressed. That's what happens. But
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  Speaker 3: can you regress enough to get a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Be a nice little regression on Saturday? Great generous thanksgivings
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  Speaker 2: coming up, Share do a little sharing of the ball,
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  Speaker 2: like to finish up with a couple of those right
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday.
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  Speaker 3: But Western's defense also isn't helping itself. It's not creating
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: any turnovers, it's not taking any away correct under one
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: a game. So in addition to blowing assignments and not
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: being in the right spot cover wise, you're not getting
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: any turnovers. So the ones you're giving back are even
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: more magnified because you're automatically losing the turnover margin game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff, all right, they're very good. No, that
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: kind of explains why I was in such a serious
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: mood when he came in. He had a lot of
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: stuff on his plate at a lot of death right,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a wet week here in West Virginia,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: But this weekend is going to be really, really nice,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: which means and I think that is I've said gone
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  Speaker 2: I may have misheard, may have misheard chaw. Oh for
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, I know a guy Tony. Tony
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: might have an idea there this weekend. The food court
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: is open beginning at four o'clock on Friday, October eighteen
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: up until about nine o'clock. Hudson Clement's dad, well, once again,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: was he going to be there again?
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: He was terrific.
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  Speaker 2: It brought him back.
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  Speaker 1: He was terrific.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: He was fantastic. So Huddy's dad will play.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And Murphy's dead. I keep saying Mike Murphy's that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I just have to start referring to him as the
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  Speaker 2: Clement brother's dad. Mike, and mom.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: She's there too, Tracy.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Tracy's there, so check him out, and it's just part
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: of the deal. But food will begin to be served
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: at four o'clock Revkev's Barbecue, plus all the other folks
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: that make it a nice little sp they're there.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Clements are a fun bunch.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: By yes they are. They have fun.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: They have a great, great group, and there are other
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: people they've brought in from the Eastern Panhandle and just
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: it's it's fun anyway. Everybody there again is in a
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: good is in a good mood. Everybody's enjoying a three
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: oh four or reskin barbecue or a little one or
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a little brownie.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: It's not on the menu, but maybe a secret menu. Duke,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I might have those fried recy cups again.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Excuse me? Do you think so? I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: hope so, yeah, I had one.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: So that's and then on Saturday official menu. I don't
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: think center, what centaer? What time? Saturday? Oh?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Check on that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I'll look here. Look, why well, these guys talk. I
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: know Dave sent it out earlier this week, and.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I can look while you're down here.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not eight am, I don't think, but
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: we'll be they'll be there all there.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: The cool thing about the reess is it makes you
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: feel special too, like not on the menu, but you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: go up to Duke and hey, man, you got any that?
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: He said, let me fix it. I'll fix you up,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: get something for you.
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  Speaker 3: Ten am, tony, ten am to six p.
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  Speaker 2: Ten am to six o'clock on Saturday Game Day, come
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  Speaker 2: on in, have a big time.
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  Speaker 3: S'mores are available.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: What now?
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: They did provide some information and hopefully look at the information. Yeah,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Duca will have s'mores.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: But also again, don't forget about the brownies. I've gotten brownies.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Brownies are each time. They are fantastic. From the Brownie House,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: from the Brownie House at the Seneca Center.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really good.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, four to nine Friday, ten to six Saturday.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Done. All right, let's jump in. Obviously, the Neil Brown
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: comment from Monday's press conference making news all week long,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: hoppy to the point that you wrote one of your
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Metro News commentaries about it. I did, what is your take?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: This is my take. I saw it exploding on social media.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I listened and watched the entire press conference and listened
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to his answer a couple of times, and this is
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: what this is what he said. But it's import and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: also to know the question. The reporter asked the question,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and it was something to the effect of, you had
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: this huge crowd for Iowa State for the coal rush,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and now we got another night game, and you know,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: what can you say to the fans. It was really
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a very generic, sort of almost softball toss up to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the coach, and what he said was, quote, I get
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that they the fans. I get that they want to win,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: but I would say what I would say is did
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: they have a good time? Did they enjoy it? It
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: was a pretty good atmosphere. I'm assuming they had a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: pretty good time tailgating. So if they are in the
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: deal for enjoyment, then I would come back. So some
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: interpreted that as Brown saying that as long as the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: fans are having fun, it doesn't matter if you win
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: or lose. Just come and have fun. Okay. A couple
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: of points. First, is that was an awkward answer. It's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: just an awkward answer. Mountaineer Nation was disappointed. Losing hurts,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: especially when you know fans are investing time and money
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to come to the game and the goes the way
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it does, so fans are raw. So it was an
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: awkward answer. To hear. But here's the other part to
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: think about is that I think what Brown was trying
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: to do, when you consider the question and what he said,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: what he was trying to be positive about the WVU
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: football experience to make a pitch for the fans to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: stay engaged. But the idea, the idea that Brown was
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: trying to convince fans that the party is bigger than
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the plays is just to me, is implausible because win
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: in the press conference or win in Brown's history, has
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: he tried to suggest that as long as you're having
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a good time that winning doesn't matter. He's never done that,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: and that that's not I'm certain that was not his
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: intent during the press conference. So when you listen to
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the entire press conference, you hear him say more than
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: two dozen times talking about taking responsibility for the loss,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: expressing that West Virginia not making enough plays to win,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: understanding the frustration of the fans, And at the end
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of that answer he said specifically said they come, they
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: come back for another entertaining game, but hopefully we can
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: play better at the end and win. You know, one
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: of the one of Brown's attributes, which we've talked about before,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: is that Brown tries to answer questions at a time
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: when coaches, politicians, public figures off you skate, readirect, vacillate,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: or throw reporters out of press conferences, or refuse to
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: acknowledge reporters. And Brown, to his credit, has always tried
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to answer the questions what I'd say and try to
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: answer it pretty honestly for a coach, and I think
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: that is a great attribute. So he was trying to
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: answer the question in a way to encourage fans to
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: stay engaged. And what happened was through social media and
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: through through those who want to get Brown fired picked
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: out a segment of that that sounded bad, and it
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: went national and it floated, and I think it was
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: taken out of context, and I think was unfair. Now
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: people say, oh, yeah, Hapa, you're a suck up. You know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you're a suck up Neil Brown, and you're on the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: payroll and all this stuff, And the reality is, I'm
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: just trying to be fair and honest about what I
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: really think took place here. Neil Brown's going to be
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: judge ultimately on wins and losses. On wins and losses,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: he loses more games than he wins he's going to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: lose his job this year, next year, the year after that,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: he has to win games. Okay, But to take that
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: comment and take it out of context and judge him
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: as harshly as he has been judged in West Virginia nationally,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I think is patently unfair.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Well said, Center, are you on in on this?
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I would agree with all of that one hundred percent.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: We've said as much over the last week or so.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I think the other part is, listen, I get that
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: the wins and losses are emotional, and they're emotional for everybody.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: So it's one of those deals guys, if you win, listen,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Coaches of that. A lot weirder things than what that was.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: The atmosphere was good.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: It was good.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: It is good. It was good that night. Win games,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: that stuff goes away you lose games, Unfortunately, it opens
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: it up to all of this other stuff that comes in.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I think the ultimate point there is he was trying
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: to answer a question for reporter and give him a
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: respectful and thoughtful answer to a question that was asked
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: simply about fans returning. It doesn't in my mind, he
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: wasn't minimizing winning. That's not what he does. Why would
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: the head coach minimize the winning at the expense of
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: everybody else. So I think that part has gotten on
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: to a ridiculous narrative that that's what that meant. It
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: just simply was not. And you know, here's what surprise
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: me that we've talked about this for an entire week,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: but here we are. But at the end of the day,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: go win and this stuff goes away.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you gotta win. Okay, that's about I
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: don't want anybody to not understand that. That's the most
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: important thing. We understand it. But you know what, there
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: are other coaches who win more and abuse fans and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: abuse reporters, and everybody goes winning. He's winning. I guess
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: we got to take it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: That's that's why I just said, that's what happened. You
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: win and you can say whatever ridiculous things you want
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: to do. And conversely, when you lose and people are emotional,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: everything's going to get picked apart. And I think that's
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: what happened in this particular situation.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: But but but it.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Wasn't his There's no way his intent was to minimize
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: the importance of winning.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It's gonna be not so, but in the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in the era in which we live, that's that's what happens.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: But bottom line is you need to you need to win,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: and these things will take care of themselves. If you don't,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that will take care of itself.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Now it is now the time to just say, for
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: the text messages for next week, we understand four thousand
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: of you are going to text us and say happy
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: and I don't know what we're talking about, and we
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: get it, so fine, you don't need to send that understood.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to that point, we spend a lot
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: of time on Sunday's podcast reading a lot of the text,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: and there is a continuity of theme that one could
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: say is becomes repetitive. And I think that obviously if
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: you just keep saying the same thing, reading the same
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: thing over and over and again. So yeah, if your
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: one mission in life is to just continue to harp
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: on some of the things that have already been discussed,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: and our discussing it's it's not going to get read.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, we get it, we talk about it. I
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: don't know what more ways that we can say. You know,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: what we say and what we say is what we
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: feel and what we think and there are those out
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: there that I think that think that we say things
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that we don't believe in simply to support the university
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: or to maintain job status with the university. And that's
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the absolute farthest thing from the truth.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: If if you think that about me, and that's fine.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Read the commentaries are route about Bob Huggins. Read the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: commentaries are rote about Rich Rodriguez. I'm on it. I'm
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: not on it. I'm not cal telling to any popularity
• 45:02
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  Speaker 2: in episode Iowa State recap text alert regarding game stats
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  Speaker 2: not telling the true story? Can someone explain how games
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  Speaker 2: are evaluated? I imagine a day to analyst evaluating game
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: tapes while scoring players informations, et cetera. If this is
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the case, wouldn't there be variability by data analysis?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I e.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: The stats would be vary by evaluators? The data seems
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: like it would be subjective.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Martin cheek like, well, that's that's for spreads. That's over me.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the short answer, because I don't want to
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: bog everybody down with that. But the you know, in
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: the PFF, you can go in and read about how
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: PFF doesn't who they hire to do their analysis. There's
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: probably some of that. Sure, there's some of them because
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: there's different it's different people evaluating different games. So yeah,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: there's going to be some subjectivity. And listen, I use
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: those numbers a lot. I use PFF a lot. In particular.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: I understand there's there, there's like everything, there's criticism of that,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: but I do think it gives us outside of the
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: coaching room a way to look at things and compare
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: while acknowledging that it may not be one hundred percent
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: perfect right on, It gets a lot closer than it
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: does if you just get on and you guess and
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: you go off just not having those to back up.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: But to answer the question, I think you're right. I
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: think there is some subjectivity, no question, Mike and Charleston
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: checking in at this point. With the metrics, nil money
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: and all things semi pro pro football in college, shouldn't
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: we get to see final reports on referees? We see player,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: team and coaching stats to the deepest level. Why not
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: see feedback on the referees? What say you, Mike and Charleston?
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: That's teeing up bread there. You don't have to say.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: What say? If you've listened to this show before, you
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: know exactly where I stand on that.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: The NBA and my knowledge is the best at you know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: the final two minutes of a game, the NBA will
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: release a report. There is close to trying to be
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: as clean as they can.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: I think Baseball might even be closer. Baseball puts out
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: a lot on percentages on right or wrong on balls
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: and strikes claus I think I think Major League Baseball's
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: probably the closest. And listen, I get that it's a
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: hard line to walk because if you go to any
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: youth games, you see some just ridiculous behavior from parents
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: and coaches towards officials that you're trying to get experience,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: hop to grow up and be in high school, college,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: in the professional level. It is a hard ass to
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: ask people to do some of those youth games. I've
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: seen it with my own eyes, been right around it
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: in its absolute and embarrassment. So I get that some
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: of that is trying to protect those men and women
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: that are doing a very difficult job. I understand that,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: But as I often say on here, if we're in
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: an eraw when there's coaches making millions of dollars, when
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: there's players at times making millions of dollars, and people
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: are losing jobs because of that as one of the factors,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: then I think you've got to be able to talk
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: about it, ask questions and get some answers on that
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: particular part of the game.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the league admitted this week that they missed
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: that pass interference on Cole Taylor too late now, but
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: that won't come out publicly. That won't come out publicly.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: They did, well, really I did?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: How did you know?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: You just you know? Because I know because I know
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: so the and Okay Texter says I noticed Hoppy said
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: he had an empty stomach at the food court when
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: he ate the fried receis I suppose his wife was
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: not there to place his dinner order at the food truck.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: True. Kind of a good point.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: By the way, can I retract something that was said earlier? Yeah,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: no brownie house this weekend. Oh so if you want
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: a sweet treat there, get those. Get those s'mores from Duca.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Duka is also going to have special edition waffles what
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: now for Saturday morning?
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: So that's nice.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Sorry for the confusis get a big old, big old
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: house backs.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Hey, three guys kent from Denver, formerly Charleston, South Carolina,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: originally from Morgantown. Three things First, I started the Iowa
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: State recap episode before I looked at a single box
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: score from the weekend. When Tony said we were nine
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: of thirteen on third down, I pulled the car over
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and looked because I didn't believe it, underscoring all of
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Brad's comments. Second, after our next win, I want just
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: one of these knuckleheads to text in and comment on
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: the great coaching job Neil did not holding my breath
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: on that one third and finally, this is my fault
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: for listening to three guys on one point twenty five
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: x speed. But in the Iowa State preview, about thirty
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: three minutes into the show, Brad said, here's your suit.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: I had to rewind and slow it down because I
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: thought for sure we had our first PG moment on
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: three guys. It gave me a good chuckle. I appreciate
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: all the three of you doing those behind the scenes
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: do to keep us informed and entertained. So I guess
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: if you listen to you say here's your suit at
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: one point twenty five, it sounds like something. Oh really,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: a nasty sounds like a nad Yes, I guess. Joey
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: B and Athens Brad does not believe in the Mothman. Huh,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: explains this strange creature on one nineteen South near South
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Charles and maybe you turn to go back and take
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: a picture the mothman apparently alive and well pretty sure
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: he had a tutor's biscuit or two and a fly
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: ride slim gym unconfirmed, though Joey B In Athens hold
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: on West Virginia, I'm the only one on.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: I'm the only one on the panel that believes in
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: the Mothman. Very reverent to the moth Man. How do
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: we miss that, Joey?
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, we just there's different views.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I'm the only one that says, knock it off. I'm
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I'm right there. Did you see the picture? I don't
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: need to see the picture. I'm on board with that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: He's the one that says there's no moth Man.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: He's the one that says it's not real. I know
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: you don't. You won't declare anything. You're just over there
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: waffling around. I'm the one that says I believe in it.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: So get off my bet about that. Just to be
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: clear with the moth Man listening.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I'm I didn't say there isn't a moth Man. I
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: just said I know him. That's what I said, And
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I and I and I know him. And to be
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: quite honest with you, and chatting with him, chatting up
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: with him not all that long ago. He said, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, after a big night of scaring people, I
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• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Congratulations to Brad on joining the Mountaineer Sports Network. We
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: look forward to hearing his basketball analysis. Is Tony's partner.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Did you hear about this yet, Hopey, I heard about that.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Congratulate correct, congratulated Bread. I think that's a tremendous higher.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Bread is a pro, is always well prepared, and you
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: guys will make a tremendous basketball broadcast team. Look forward
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: to listening to you both.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Mike and Myrtle. Congratulations on the new additional gig. I
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: enjoyed your few times on the broadcast, was hoping you'd
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: be the choice. You bring some great insight to the
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: analytics help make the average fan better understand what's going
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: on with the decisions and why I'll be listening from
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: hopefully a warmer South Carolina have a great season.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys, think you The challenge will be basketball
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: moves pretty quickly, so Tony after the bucket when the
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: team is coming the other way and Brad has like
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: eight minutes worth of analytics, it's going to be hard
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: at that point, left to left to trimid down.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Trying to throw a rift in between us before we
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: even start? Is that what his goal is? Center? Say
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: he's trying to he's trying to get m He's trying
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: to blow.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't hear, and we'll be all right, who does it?
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Will you still do the coach interview?
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Tony? Yeah?
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: And then halftime is that you go back to the
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: oh center or half half the center as halftime?
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I under take care of that postgame. After listening to
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: the post cyclone game episode, I decided someone needs to
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: come up with a new stat line WSOI TF the
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: we shot ourselves in the foot index.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: This game was the second highest for the season, with
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the top w SOO TF index game being pit Texter.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: That's a good one, actually is Yeah, first time Texter.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I was at the col Rush this past weekend for
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: the annual pilgrimage with my buddies. Besides the outcome of
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: the game, it was one of the best trips ever,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: largely thanks to you guys. Thanks. I wouldn't know if
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't listen to the podcast. At Number one, the
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Friday Night Stadium Tour exists. What an experience, best twenty
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: five dollars I ever spent. I recommend it big time.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Number two the food Court visited Saturday before the game,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: had a couple of connection three to zero fours. All
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: the hype is true. Four Star Beer had the REVKEV box,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: got myself one of those awesome three guys hats. Plus
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: the Senatory chatted with my group for at least fifteen minutes,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: which was awesome. He's statesmanlike hmm clairvoyant. We both felt
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: good about the game, but the Senator cautioned me the
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: two turnovers would result and yeah, there you are with
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: those guys right there. Anyway, love the show. Thanks for
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: making our weekend in Morgantown special. Thanks to the Senator
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: for the time.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Great guys, got far left from Dallas. Others from Virginia
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: they were in. That was awesome, had a great time
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: talking to you. Thanks, fellas. Do you mean wait a minute,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: do you mean that sorry that I was right on
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: the turnover one?
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you nailed it. Do you mean that you can
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: be disappointed with the loss but still have had a
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: good experience. Don't start just wondering?
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Hello guys. On Sunday on the banks of the Brazos River,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: it was truly a great day to be a mountaineer.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: It was a thrill getting in a witness victory number
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: four hundred for coach Nicky Iso Brown and our women's
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: soccer program. I hope folks around the university city will
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: come out and support the team at their last two
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: home dates in the next couple of days. That's bye. Yes,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I just saw Nicky this morning. As a matter of fact,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Joe mock Wright. Joe, he's the donut guy. Allegedly I
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: got him working for me next Saturday. What now, mock
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to work for me next Saturday?
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Well, he let me know he was going to the
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Arizona game.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Oh is he spotting for you?
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I said, Hey, Joe. Yeah, he ever spot spotted before Joe.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: He's in really huge shout out to his wife April.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Now she's going with him. Now she's gonna be sitting
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: in the stands by herself. Unless April can do stats,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: then we'd hire her.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty impressive for Nickki. That's a long, long
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: period of sustained success.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Four hundred soccer.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Win for her in that program.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Think about that.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. It is.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: And they played they do play tonight. We're recording on
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: the seventeenth. They played tonight Texter Shawn and Washington State. Hey, guys,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: college football, funny thing. Young men are unpredictable. Case State
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: coming off a huge road win, right back out on
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the road against the team that appears to be downed
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: out West Virginia, getting poked prodded all week after making
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: numerous mistakes while losing a game where they were just
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: as talented. It could be a perfect storm.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: We'll see Sean liking situational advantage. Situational advantage there is
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: you can you can well you said it bright, I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: mean you can find a way to see a situational advantage. Now,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: whether whether you do or not, andie not.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Love this matchup, though you don't. I think Kansas State's
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: really good, do you?
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Their ability to run it?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Nick the Greek originally from Bridgeport, now from the Texas
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: hill Country. He addresses Nil's comment that you talked about Hoppy.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Then he went on and say, I think the major
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: air was made was not replacing the center position. I
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: know Brandon Yates was on the field to make line calls,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: but he could have moved him to right guard where
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: he played last year, allowed him to stay on the field.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that scenario and could we
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: see it this week?
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Tony? Did you talk to the coach about this?
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get him tonight on that during his
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: talk show.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: You know, he answered it during the press conference. So
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: and I think the answer would be what the obvious
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: They didn't make a change, So what did they think?
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: They felt better at Yates, even with what he was
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: dealing with, was a better option than what they had.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: And he said they like Landon Livingston, who's the backup
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: who's come in and played well at times. That would
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: have been a lot to ask of him. So, as
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: you would expect, they thought the starter, even with an issue,
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: was going to be the better option. You can debate
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: all day long if that was in fact the case,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: because that was a major factor in that game. But
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: that was their thinking. They evaluated it looked at. It's
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: not like they didn't know that was something that was
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: up for discussion. They just they chose that that Brandon
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: was the better option at that time.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Normally, nick On, that is when you ask a
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: coach about a situation like that, they will tell you,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: whether it's football, basketball, whatever the spoil They'll say, like,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: we felt that was our best opportunity. That was the
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: best situation. Now in hindsight, when there were eleven snaps
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: off that oft played plays. So we'll talk about that tonight.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: We might chat with him. Hey, three guys, Eric from
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Cincinnata by way of the parkers Burg area. Great story
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: for you, guys. I took my wife on her dream
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: trip to Europe this summer. One fine morning, fancy hotel
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: breakfast in Paris. I'm selecting various danishes and croissants from
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: a buffet, and as I started to walk away from
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: the table, I came nearly face to face with another
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: gentleman from the States. We both froze for a moment
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: as I was surprised by the go pit on the
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: front of his shirt and he by the flying WV
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: on the front of mine. He looked up at me,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: frowned and said, you're not going to sing that damn song,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: are you. I laughed and said, always a connection. I
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: don't think he knew what I meant, but I figured
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: this was a good one for three guys. Let's go.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Hi. Highest level of French fashion.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: There, thays, thinking the same thing. I bet you those
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: French people love to see a dude with a go
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: honi that done go over real Well there in the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: fashion capital of the world. These ugly amraticans come here
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: to do stupid things on these shirts. Telgate, Dean and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the basketball broadcast team, congratulations on becoming the new commentator spreads,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: looking forward to your broadcasts, well deserved.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you. You guys are going to premiere tomorrow night, right, Oh.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah yeah. Final thoughts on Iowa State. I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: don't believe the statistics light at all. In reality, we
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: were in a competitive one score game until the fourth
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: and playing good defense. Sons. The one blown play arguably
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: our best opponent adjusted performance button Mountaineer fans were emotionally
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: down by thirty because of our history against their defense.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I loved your Windshow comparison. It's absolutely true. Let's see
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: if we can bounce back this week. Another great opportunity,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: not Charlie in Charleston.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: But but you have to find a way to win
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: those games because you look at the I mean, okay,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: so you were evenly matched. What was the difference? Two turnovers,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: missfield goal, those kinds of things. But that's what's slipping
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: away from you. I think that's what's frustrating fans. Ioways,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: State's not that much better than you are, right, No,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: they're just playing better, right, played better? Right?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Oh it makes you scream, Yeah, it makes you scream.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I mean see, I'm got to go ahead.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, you know, what makes the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: reason why everyone's nerves are raw is because of the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: pit game. Yes, when you're up ten and then this one,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: that's what makes you just want to scream. I get
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: that completely. I'm screaming to I get it.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: The pit game is a season long canker sore. It's
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: just there. It's going to be there the whole season,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: irritating and sore.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: Where I and yeah, I think you're right. I mean,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: everybody wants to win. I think where I'm struggling with
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: this group, and this is what you what sometimes happens
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: during the course of the season as ebbs and flows.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: You're trying to look at this and say, are you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: close or are you a long way away? Are the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: mistakes that are preventing you from winning games against what
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: has turned out to be really good teams lost? There's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: eight undefeated teams in Power for you've lost to three
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: of them. I don't think anybody else has done that, right,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: So is it you making too many mistakes against good
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: teams and you're about to change that fortune and win
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: some of those games with some other opponents. Or is
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: this just who you are and you can't make enough
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: plays to get over the hump and win. And that's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: what you're still trying to figure out as you're flying
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: the plane. So do you take a pessimistic approach that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: you're losing some games you should have won, or do
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: you look at the other part and say, Okay, maybe
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: there's some wins coming down the road and you're due
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: for some regression going the other way, right, You got
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: it against Kansas, you were losing that game and found
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: a way to pull a miracle win like Pitt did
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: against you. So what are you? I think that's why
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: I was when I was talking about statistics lying to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: you a little bit. You're still trying to figure out
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: what which of those are you and we don't know
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: the full answer yet.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Right now, a couple of these stats services, Power ranking systems,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: SEGR and things like that, at least two of them
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: have West Virginia as the top ten toughest schedule in
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: the country. Now after Kansas State, those numbers of those
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: teams that you're about to play significantly drop, like thirty
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: in below. So there's hay to be made. As Brad
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: is saying, there's going to be hay to be made.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: If you can hang in here, you know, get this
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: one on Saturday. You have the opportunity to still be
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: really solid, but you got to get it done.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: But as you start to get to this point in
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: the season, things that pop up, and they keep popping up,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: turn out to be characteristics, not one offs. That's what
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: you're trying to decide. Blown assignments defensively can't continue to happen.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: Inefficiencies offense in the same areas can't continue to happen,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: or that's just going to be who you are and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: you're going to end up with a record that you're
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: not happy with. Can that change? Or those just in
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: the DNA of this particular team, that's what you're trying
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: to fight through here?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Correct? This next one's pretty wild. Hello, three guys. This
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: past week and my friend Kevin and I had the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: opportunity to deliver supplies to Old Fort, North Carolina to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: aid those impacted by Hurricane Helene. We had fifty trucks
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: and trailers in our convoy filled an entire local church
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: up with much needed items. As I was carrying in
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: a box of canned goods, a local volunteer inside the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: church ass where are you guys from? I said, mostly
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: from north central West Virginia. She replied, really, I grew
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: up in Frametown and moved down here in high school.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I responded with my mother grew up in Frametown and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I lived in Gasaway until I was three. Turns out
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: my mom and her grew up five houses apart and
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: were friends throughout middle school.
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  Speaker 1: YEP.
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  Speaker 2: Just goes to show Yeah, always a West Virginia connection.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Signed by the lawman in Fairmont.
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  Speaker 1: They have pictures.
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  Speaker 2: Put that back up if you would please, Austin. That's
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: the stuff they brought into that church.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Great work, good help.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I finally figured out who the lawman is. I know
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: who that is. He works scores table in basketball. I
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: didn't know he I d'd himself as lawman. Okay, now
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: I know who he is because he told me when
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: we were leaving the other day that he was had
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: gone down there. Textor Hello, Mike from Salem checking in
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: with a concern after a long texting hiatus. My wife
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: had our first child made the twenty third on her birthday. Nonetheless,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: his name is Maverick from Salem.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Same is that his name? Maverick from Salem. Yeah, he's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: going to be a text sent Oh.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Well, his dad's Mike from Salem, so he would be
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Maverick from Salem. My concern is that with all the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: talk of certain persons across all the Metro News sports podcasts,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: his first words might be Andy Kotel nikki instead of
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: more tradition once. Thanks for the entertainment, guys, Congratulations bred
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: on your new gig. Mike from Salem signing off, goodbye, and.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Niki, We had Well, I'm glad that we got that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: text because we had not gotten his name in this podcast.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: We missed last week. I think we didn't give it
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: might have been his first week he was out. Hey,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: three guys, professor Vinnie here. I had my dad Joe
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: dial up the efforting to land me some of that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: sweet connection three oh four beer. He did not disappoint.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: It's a good beer. Let's just hope I can enjoy
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: it this time with a dou WDV victory on Saturday.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: There's there's Joe, his dad, and there's Vinnie. That may
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: be a tall order. So there, you guys, go enjoy it.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: He's out there, and he's out there in Illinois. He's
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: an Illinois. That's where he is. Not hoppy. You know,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get a new airplane flight from here in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Morgantown right to Illinois to Chicago. Right right, Chicago, Illinois. Right, Well,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: that'll be kind nice. Maybe Vinnie, he can make it
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: over a little bit easier now, fly right in, yeah
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: to Morgantown International Bridgeport.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Used to have that.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: I did that.
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  Speaker 3: That was a nice easy too, went and saw right in,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: got a Cubs game in really oh yeah, right, right
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: on Michigan Avenue to the Great Super Easy. A couple
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: years ago spring break.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: I did it. I went to Hamilton. Really, yeah, that's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: a that's a short little hop.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Remember tell you years ago I took a flight from
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Morgantown to Klarksburg.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: You did tell me that's a green story, because that's
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: where the thing was connecting, right.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: No, I had to I had to get to Klarksburg.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: And somebody was meeting somebody and they had the car,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: so I went to them. So I checked it out
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: and I went to the Morgantown airport and I said
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I'd like to fly buy a ticket.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: To Carsborg.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: And yeah, one way. And they looked at me like,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure you couldn't do that. I said, yeah,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I think you can.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: That was a pretty good ride up.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like thirty bucks at the time, thirty seconds. Yeah,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: you got on like you took off and then you land.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: It was wait, it was thirty bucks back then, something
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: like that. Something crazy.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: I'm like, do that now.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: And another maybe again. I'll tell you that about my
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: flight to Charleston that time. We're here it now, No
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I've told you that.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think I have. Let me hear it?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: I was. This was I was invited to moderate a
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: conference in Charlestown or something, and I didn't want to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: do it. And so I said to the person arranging it,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I said, I said, I'll I said, I'll do it
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: if you fly me down and back like big timing, right,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: that's fine, I think. I said, yeah, all right, I'll
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: do that. I'm like, oh okay, yeah. So I said,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: I show up in a hard field and the airport
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: is this little cub It holds like two people. Right, pilot,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: you pilot me. So I get on the plane. It
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: takes like an hour forty five to go down that
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: we're flying like right on, I seventy nine same speed
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: as cars.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Dude had one of those myself. So you remember that
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: day that Miami and Vinnie Testaverdi beat us two hundred
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: and nothing. Yeah, yes, Michael Irvan and Vinnie Testa Verdi.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: That was a great team. Jerome Brown. So back then
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: in that era, we were broadcasting. Don't ask me why
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: we were producing motor car races, short track. So the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: engineer and I, the late John McKinney, same deal. The
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: airplane's gonna come pick us up gonna fly us to Winchester,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Indiana that night. We go into Saberton, get pizza, right,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: go to the airport. Plane comes in. So it's like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: McKinney sits where the co pilot sits. There's like one
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: seat for me. Okay, we go up, same deal. We're
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: over the interstate and the cars are paralleled. He took
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: us about four hours to get to Winchester, Indiana, and
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: McKinney spoken cigarettes like there's no.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Like all the fuselages just like Clive, and the thing
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: is like about four hundred d B.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: You can't hear.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: It's just like I just like just kill me now.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: I'm dead.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: I'm jumping out, I'm getting out.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'll tell you another one real quick. Well,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: since we're not on time, Jack Fleming was doing a
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Mountaineer football game once. It was I think it was
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: the Steelers were still in exhibition mode. He was doing
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: the Steelers at the time. Did a Mountaineer game on
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: a Saturday. Steelers are playing a Saturday night exhibition and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: he tells Mike Parns is like parsans he I think
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: he might have want to like not do the game parts.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: We gotta have you do the guy, they gotta have
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: to do the games. I'll get you a play, okay.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: So Fleman used to colorfully tell this story after it happened. Now,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: he was a navigator in the war, so he knew, right,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: I mean he got shot down over France, Jack fell out.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I mean record at the Green bron.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Parachuted out of an airplane after he was shot down
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: in France, got hung in a tree. Anyway, so he
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: knows he's no, he's not new to this thing. So
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: that the next week he comes over, you know, he's no.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: He goes, where's Parsons? Wow, what's some check?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: He goes, he's on the airplane for me, he said,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: like a barely fit into that thing. He said, you know,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: I know, I just knew about like a brigs and
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: Stratton thirty two horse. He's just some things you just
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: you just used to do.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, all right, We're out back again Sunday morning.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: We'll post by noon recapping K State and the Mountaineers,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: plusb have basketball talk about you are going to the
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: game Friday. You'll be there, You're gonna go, You'll be
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: there in time for tenh.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Three hours early. Yeah, all right, cool, at four you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: you know, like four o'clock in they're all nervous.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: Service.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: It's just prep.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Get there and be ready, be.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Tight, get a feel.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: I know this. You will be two of the best.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: You'll be the best broadcast team in the in the league.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we're gonna go strong first game exhibition.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: I might not go full suit. I just go quarters.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: You're gonna go quarters up.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: I got something in that.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little little more West Virginian Casual for that. Okay.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: You know there's business casual, there's West Ran and casual.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I'll be it. Three guys.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for being there, Thank you, Thanks for pleasure.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go over Saturday.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: I'll be there Saturday.
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