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Interview: Dennis Gonzalez (Puerto Rico Water Crisis Explained) · Rich Valdés: This is America!

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  Speaker 1: This is America. He's got the best head of hair
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  Speaker 1: and podcasting. This is America with Rich Valdez.
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  Speaker 2: All right, America, welcome back. It's Rich Valdez keeping your
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  Speaker 2: company tonight. And I want to get into this topic
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  Speaker 2: that we've been talking about. What's going on with the
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  Speaker 2: access to water in Puerto Rico. Apparently it's a crisis.
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  Speaker 2: I've got this article that I'm looking at in the
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  Speaker 2: San Juan Star, San Juan Daily Star, and some of
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  Speaker 2: what's going on is the city's deploying additional water tanker trucks,
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  Speaker 2: operating fixed water distribution sites and stolen portable restrooms in
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  Speaker 2: Old San Juan and coordinating all of this with public
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  Speaker 2: agencies and municipalities. And I said, you know what, I
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  Speaker 2: got to get in touch with somebody who regularly deals
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  Speaker 2: with the mayors of various municipalities, understands public health like
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  Speaker 2: very few others do. And that's Dennis Gonzalez. Dennis Gonzalez
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  Speaker 2: is a good friend of the program, but he's also
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  Speaker 2: an expert when it comes to public health and all
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  Speaker 2: things Puerto Rico, having served in the Puerto Rico Federal
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  Speaker 2: Affairs Department, working in the New Jersey State government, as
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  Speaker 2: well as spending more than two decades in the United
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  Speaker 2: States federal government at the Department of Health at the
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  Speaker 2: behest of President Trump at the time, staying on board
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  Speaker 2: through multiple administrations, including President Trump most recently both Trump terms,
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  Speaker 2: and his work beneath the Secretary Kennedy Dennis Gonzalez, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Rich. It's nice to be back. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I started under President Bush.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I didn't say that. I thought that's
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  Speaker 3: what I said. You said, President Trump, President Bush back
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  Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand and four. Of course I was much
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  Speaker 1: much younger than than my age would Yeah. Yes, but no,
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  Speaker 1: it's great to be to be on with you and
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  Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about this crisis. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: it's such a big crisis that the governor had to
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  Speaker 1: actively the national Guard.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Well, talk to me about the origin of the crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Where is this coming from, Why is it happening, Why
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden is there a water problem? From
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  Speaker 2: what I understand, there were some inspections of certain pipes
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  Speaker 2: that were overlooked for a certain amount of time.
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  Speaker 3: Bring us up to speed.
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  Speaker 1: The most important thing to acknowledge is that Puerto Rico
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  Speaker 1: does not have a lack of water problem. That would
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  Speaker 1: be ironic for an island right surrounded by water to
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  Speaker 1: surrounded by water to have a lack of water problem.
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  Speaker 1: The problem that Puerto Rico has is that the infrastructure
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  Speaker 1: is so old. We're talking decades, so it's old infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: Lack of maintenance. Be it because they just didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the money at the time, or they chose to utilize
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  Speaker 1: what money they should have used to repair and to maintain,
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  Speaker 1: they use it for other things. And then you know,
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  Speaker 1: successive governors would just kick the can down the proverbial
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  Speaker 1: kick the can down the road. Unfortunately, there is no
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  Speaker 1: more road to kick the can down. UH. So right now,
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  Speaker 1: all these old pumps and pipes are breaking breaking down. UH.
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  Speaker 1: And the Triple A which is the water authority Triple
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  Speaker 1: AIA is their Spanish acronym Ria auad canta ridados. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they're they're they're doing the best they can, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a herculean task to try to keep these pipes
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  Speaker 1: and these pumps working uh and provide water at the
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  Speaker 1: same time. Especially you know, the biggest problem right now
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  Speaker 1: is in the the metropolitan areas the urban areas with
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  Speaker 1: the large populations, you know, and Juan Guaanawu Bayamon. I
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  Speaker 1: mean right there alone, you have close to a million people. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where the biggest problem is. In the country.
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  Speaker 1: They do have a you know, a water access problem,
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  Speaker 1: but you know they're more uh, they're able because they're
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  Speaker 1: in the country, able to uh to deal with the
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  Speaker 1: with with the issue better than an urban setting. So
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  Speaker 1: you have hospitals in the San Juan area metropolitan area,
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  Speaker 1: you have hotels, uh, you have you know, all the
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  Speaker 1: major universities. Uh and you know, close to a million
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  Speaker 1: people living close to one another without you know, with
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  Speaker 1: uh and I and I wouldn't say that they don't
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  Speaker 1: have water. Uh. They do. It's just it it shuts
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  Speaker 1: down every now and then. You know, they they can
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  Speaker 1: go for a day without water, maybe two days, a
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  Speaker 1: few hours without water. And the mayors are doing the
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  Speaker 1: best they can. They under stand. Juan is actually uh
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  Speaker 1: taking a big lead on this and they're providing you know,
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  Speaker 1: portable water. They're transporting water in and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the priority right of course other hospitals, I know, the
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  Speaker 1: hotels is because they have the resources.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of them are are are dealing
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  Speaker 1: with the issue internally. Uh, but you know, it's a
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  Speaker 1: big problem, especially when you have you know, Puerto Rico's
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  Speaker 1: trying to rebuild its tourism after COVID, uh, and it's
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  Speaker 1: done a great job. I mean, they've done a great
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  Speaker 1: job and a lot of you know, thousands and thousands
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  Speaker 1: of tourists are coming in yearly. But it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's hard for hotels to you know, serve these
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  Speaker 1: tourists if they have no water, by the way, And
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  Speaker 1: that's not to even mention the electrical problem.
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  Speaker 2: That old I understand, and I guess a two part
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  Speaker 2: thing here, right. Number one is this infrastructure issue is
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  Speaker 2: an ongoing one. We've seen it with the electrical grid,
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  Speaker 2: right and the current administration, President Trump's administration has just
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  Speaker 2: given an enormous amount of money to Governor Gonzales Cologne
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  Speaker 2: and she I believe has deployed it effectively in pretty
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  Speaker 2: much solving the problem with the blackouts of jagone.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's a great step.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a complete revamp of the grid, but they
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  Speaker 2: seem to be doing well. But having known that this
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure was problematic and crumbling and you know, because of
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  Speaker 2: corruption or.
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  Speaker 3: A lack of or neglect or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 2: Why why didn't anybody jump on top of that. She's
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  Speaker 2: been there for six months, so I can't throw the
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  Speaker 2: fault at her, But this has been going on for years,
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  Speaker 2: Like why has everybody ignored their water.
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  Speaker 1: System because they thought that it would never catch up
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  Speaker 1: to them. They thought, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Or let the next guy take care of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let the next guy or girl take care of it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with this problem. And unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: it has fallen on her administration, which you know, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised it didn't fall on a previous administration because
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  Speaker 1: we're talking years of neglect. We're talking years of lack
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  Speaker 1: of maintenance, pipes, pumps, equipment that are fifty sixty, seventy
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  Speaker 1: up to seventy years old from the nineteen fifties. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about some of these some of these pumps, and so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just an ongoing problem that has become
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  Speaker 1: worse with the you know, with with with this current administration.
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  Speaker 1: Not their fault and not the you know, the the
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  Speaker 1: president of the Triple A an engineer by the last
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  Speaker 1: name Gonzales. I believe His first name is Louise. He
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  Speaker 1: was at a hearing at the House of Representatives, Puerto
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  Speaker 1: Rico House of Representatives last week and today he was
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  Speaker 1: at a Senate hearing uh and I felt bad for
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  Speaker 1: the guy. They were these representatives and senators were giving
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  Speaker 1: him such a hard time. They would acknowledge, we know
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  Speaker 1: it's not your fault. You know, we know that you anyway,
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  Speaker 1: but we're taking that out on you anyway, because somebody's
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  Speaker 1: got to be you know, someone's got to be the
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  Speaker 1: fall guy, and you're it, unfortunately. But you know, they
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  Speaker 1: there are some alternatives. They they they are buying equipment,
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  Speaker 1: they're bringing an equipment they they also have and this
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  Speaker 1: is and and there's an article actually in UH an
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  Speaker 1: nobod about this. There are and it was brought up
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  Speaker 1: in the Senate hearing. There equipment that was bought two
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  Speaker 1: or three years ago that was never installed. So it's
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  Speaker 1: just sitting in storage here exactly. It happens quite off
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  Speaker 1: and unfortunately the person responsible was fired, the person who
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  Speaker 1: did not do his job of you know, installing this
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  Speaker 1: equipment has been fired. So you know, so there are alternatives,
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  Speaker 1: there are, you know there, but it's it's just an
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  Speaker 1: ongoing problem that you know, they're going to need a
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  Speaker 1: vast investment of federal funds in order to fix this problem,
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  Speaker 1: just like with the electrical And I'm glad you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: that because it was the Trump administration that released billions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars that was that were being held up by the.
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  Speaker 2: 's the one that's inarguable, right, because the hurricane happened
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  Speaker 2: while Trump was in office. He notoriously went and threw
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  Speaker 2: bounties and and and caught, you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: flak for it. But he was on the ground, unlike
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  Speaker 2: other previous presidents who never made it to Puerto Rico
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  Speaker 2: during a disaster exactly. He was gone for four years
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  Speaker 2: while Biden was in office. How are you gonna tell
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  Speaker 2: me that you have all these problems with the electrical
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  Speaker 2: grid in Puerto Rico that date back to before Biden,
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  Speaker 2: and Biden didn't fix any of them. And here we
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  Speaker 2: are with Trump fixing them like picking up where he
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  Speaker 2: left off four years earlier. I think that's insane.
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  Speaker 1: And you know the problem is that the Biden administration
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  Speaker 1: put so many restrictions on the money in terms of
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  Speaker 1: the Green the New Green Deal, and they wanted Puerto
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  Speaker 1: Rico to do a lot of you know, crazy environmental stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Why is that a problem?
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  Speaker 2: Why is that something that you know, Puerto Ricans and
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  Speaker 2: people in the diaspora should be aware of. Many people
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  Speaker 2: I think think, oh, the Green New Deal is fantastic,
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  Speaker 2: I love AOC all lot crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know it would have bankrupt Puerto Rico
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  Speaker 1: house because the funding that the federal government was giving
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  Speaker 1: Puerto Rico would not have lasted as long as, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as was needed to implement these programs. So Puerto Rico
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  Speaker 1: would have an influx of dollars. But after about four
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  Speaker 1: years they would have to pick up the calls of
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  Speaker 1: these windmills all over the you know, the the coast,
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  Speaker 1: which would have you.
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  Speaker 3: Know that worked in New Jersey, right, it didn't really
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  Speaker 3: work attly.
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  Speaker 1: And and trump mentions about how you know, how ugly
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  Speaker 1: they are. Can you imagine the coast Puerto Rico has
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  Speaker 1: such beautiful beaches and to look out and and and
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  Speaker 1: and and see those monstrosities, and uh and the the
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  Speaker 1: governor at the time, who was a liberal Democrat, even
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  Speaker 1: he said, no, you know, you can't. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to take the money. If you're going to have.
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  Speaker 3: These restrictions, is uh, Governor Pierre Luisi.
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  Speaker 1: Per Luisy, so even he said, no, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not taking it if you're going to have these mandates. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But as soon as Trump came in, Jennifer, the current
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  Speaker 1: governor made the President aware of, you know, the situation,
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  Speaker 1: and the President immediately ordered the you know e p
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  Speaker 1: A to release the money. Uh. And and it's been released.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, Puerto Rico doesn't have this mandate now
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  Speaker 1: of you know, of implementing a lot of this crazy
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  Speaker 1: environmental the.
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  Speaker 3: Funds are no longer politicized, so to speak, exactly. All right,
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  Speaker 3: Dennis Gonzalez, stay with me.
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  Speaker 2: I want to come right back to this and talk
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  Speaker 2: about some of the political fallout in Puerto Rico as
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  Speaker 2: well as what the potential solutions to this water crisis
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  Speaker 2: might be. Am goes, We're coming right back with Dennis E. Gonzalez,
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  Speaker 2: former executive officer in the United States Department of Health.
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  Speaker 3: Keep it locked right here.
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  Speaker 1: This is America.
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  Speaker 2: The forty fifth President Donald Trump thinks it's an honor
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  Speaker 2: to speak with Rich Valdez.
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  Speaker 1: Very good. The honor is all yours.
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  Speaker 2: Conservative talk with a dash of so for now, here's
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  Speaker 2: Rich Valdez.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Imdia, welcome back. Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: We're doing it again. Dennis Gonzalez still here. He didn't
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  Speaker 2: leave or happy about that? And Dennis Gonzalez, we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about Puerto Rico. We're talking about the water crisis. What's
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  Speaker 2: next on the agenda? Now that we know it's a problem,
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  Speaker 2: We know that the infrastructure was ignored, we know that
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  Speaker 2: there were some political problems. The Trump administration cut the
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  Speaker 2: red tape to get them the money for the electrical grid.
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  Speaker 2: What's the solution to this? Is it more money? And
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't statehood fix this?
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  Speaker 3: In many ways?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, no statehood. And you know how I feel
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  Speaker 1: about statehood. No, statehood would not fix this problem because
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  Speaker 1: it's a problem caused by incompetence, by mismanagement, by a
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  Speaker 1: lack of vision. And you know that doesn't come automatically
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  Speaker 1: with statehood. So even though statehood may have provided some
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  Speaker 1: funds that Puerto Rico currently doesn't have, it probably would
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  Speaker 1: have been worse because previous administrations would have had more money. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, this is a combination of there there
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  Speaker 1: has to be better planning and the the new director
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  Speaker 1: of Triple a this is.
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  Speaker 3: The aqueduct authority and what else?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? And sewage in English is sewach, but in Spanish
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  Speaker 1: is anti, which is the sewage park. He's as an engineer,
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  Speaker 1: very smart. He's new on the job less than a year.
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  Speaker 1: So he's got a nice five year, five year and
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  Speaker 1: ten year plan which they're they're they're implementing now with
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  Speaker 1: a new team, a very company and new team of
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  Speaker 1: uh of engineers and and experts in that area. The
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  Speaker 1: governor is has reached out to the federal government, to
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  Speaker 1: the President and other agencies for additional funding. Hopefully that'll
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  Speaker 1: be uh, you know, that'll be made available. Maybe Congress
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  Speaker 1: can provide some uh special funding. Uh. And then there's
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  Speaker 1: a uh uh you know that there has to be
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  Speaker 1: a private public partnership, you know, the the the private
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  Speaker 1: industry in Puerto Rico needs to be more involved in this,
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  Speaker 1: uh and provide you know, additional funding because they're just
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  Speaker 1: as as as effected as residents are.
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  Speaker 2: You say, like bigger companies, I guess like Pfizer or
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  Speaker 2: some of the hotel chains or some of the people
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  Speaker 2: making money.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly who make money off of Puerto Rico, who you
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  Speaker 1: know to you know, to step up and help. But
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  Speaker 1: the the problem is that you know, this this problem
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  Speaker 1: wasn't created overnight, uh, and it's not going to be
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  Speaker 1: fixed overnight. This is going to take uh you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a process. One of the good things about this
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  Speaker 1: crisis is that, you know, finally, because it happened, everyone
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  Speaker 1: now is acknowledging we have a serious problem that we
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  Speaker 1: can't kick down the road anymore. We have to take
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  Speaker 1: care of it. So, you know, in that sense, it's
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  Speaker 1: in a way, it's good that it happened now what
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  Speaker 1: it did, and you know, let's just see the the
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  Speaker 1: you know, how the next couple of years will will
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  Speaker 1: play out. The immediate problem. They seem to be able
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  Speaker 1: to have that under control. But the the the the
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  Speaker 1: issue here is that unfortunately, most Puerto Ricans are going
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  Speaker 1: to be inconvenience you know there. So that's why the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the the Triple A has a very good
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  Speaker 1: educational program advising residents to store water, you know, key ward,
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  Speaker 1: especially for bathroom purposes because that you don't need you
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  Speaker 1: know that you can use uh what they call dirty water,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, to just make sure you store water,
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  Speaker 1: have a drinking water available and also the municipal and
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  Speaker 1: and this is very important because the mayors are stepping
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  Speaker 1: up big time and they're providing their residents with with
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  Speaker 1: drinking water.
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  Speaker 3: I guess these are from the municipal reserves.
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  Speaker 1: These are from municipal reserves. Yeah, well, some municipalities can't
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  Speaker 1: afford it, so the state has to or the Commonwealth
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  Speaker 1: has to step in, but most of them are. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's from municipal and and you know, then there's also
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  Speaker 1: there are some projects in the works that I think
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  Speaker 1: might be able to to help that. In fact, I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually involved with one and hopefully, you know, it'll be
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  Speaker 1: available within a month or two.
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  Speaker 3: How so, what capacity can it help? Are they going
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  Speaker 3: to get them the water? Are they going to repair
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  Speaker 3: the infrastructure?
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  Speaker 1: It'll it'll it'll make it easier to access portable water.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to solve the infrastructure problem or the
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  Speaker 1: maintenance problem, but at least will help solve the access
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  Speaker 1: to water for residents and institutions, hospitals and schools, hotels,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, at least it'll facilitate that process. While
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  Speaker 1: that people will.
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  Speaker 2: Like water tankers, well, I can't go into too much
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  Speaker 2: detail because then I'll be I'll be giving away some
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  Speaker 2: information that I'm not authorized yet to get to give away.
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  Speaker 1: But I promise that when we're ready to roll out,
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you know and we'll come on and announce
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  Speaker 1: it on your show.
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  Speaker 2: Well hopefully by you know, the people of Puerto Rico
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  Speaker 2: aren't starving by then, right, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it'll it'll be soon, It'll be soon, it'll be
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  Speaker 1: in the next month or so.
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  Speaker 3: Outstanding.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if people want to get a hold of you,
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  Speaker 2: learn more about the stuff that you're working on and
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  Speaker 2: what you're doing besides helping us and giving us some
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  Speaker 2: great information, Where do they find you?
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  Speaker 3: How do they get you?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they can find me on my website. So my
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  Speaker 1: firm is called Gonzales Strategies and Solutions. As you know,
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  Speaker 1: I retired from HHS a year ago and so I
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  Speaker 1: formed this consulting firm and I do uh and I've
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  Speaker 1: been doing some business in Puerto Rico and as well
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  Speaker 1: as here in New Jersey and in New York.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And the website is gons g O n z S
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  Speaker 1: S for Strategies and Solutions dot com, gons s S
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  Speaker 1: dot com.
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  Speaker 3: G O n z s S dot com dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Stanny Dennis Gonzalez, I always appreciate talking to you.
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  Speaker 3: You're a gentleman of scholar. Thank you, sir, Thank you Rich.
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  Speaker 1: Take care of us. This is a Marion.
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  Speaker 4: Dot dot dot dot dot dot dot