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Indiana 29, Northwestern 23: Reaction with Grant Shouse & Mike Hutsell (The IU Report, 3.56) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

• 0:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You are listening to a special edition of the IU report with Grant Shows and My Cutsl, their reaction to the Hoosier's 29-23 win over North Western on Friday night.
• 0:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's only on the Simpline Vienna Sports Group.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Indiana picks up the 29-23 win over North Western on Friday night.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: a huge win for Indiana to start big 10 play.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Mike, it's the old thing.
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: You'll never apologize for a win, but you can maybe apologize for a performance, not the cleanest performance for Indiana on both sides of the ball.
• 0:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: They played well enough to win the game, but maybe not well enough to win games in the future, against Ohio State or Michigan or USC, those kind of opponents.
• 0:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Indiana still a lot to clean up as we get into conference play.
• 0:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: What a weird way to begin a football game.
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen that before.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: The back to back, fall starts before the balls even snapped.
• 1:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: They call it snap and fringe mince.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Signal, he calls a time out before a second even taking off the clock, I think, and just what up?
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then from there, just some sloppy all-around play, but also some really, really good moments thrown in there by Indiana.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it really, really felt like though, if Northwestern got that ball back with a chance to win, the Indian defense was not going to stop them.
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was one of the few times as an Indian if ain't over these last two years where I'm sitting at home feeling completely helpless because they exhibited nothing at the end of that game that showed me that they were going to be able to slow down that Northwestern offense and credit to Northwestern.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: first half and the first drive of the third quarter.
• 2:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But once they got rolling, they really exploited some flaws in Indiana as the defense.
• 2:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this was one of the few white knuckle games in the end as I had over the last couple of years.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it came down to the very end.
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And an amazing effort by Lee BB to get that first down that ice the game.
• 2:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of reminded me of the national championship game
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You felt like they maybe had a good enough offense to come down in school, but the defense was just on a teal and couldn't get a stop and couldn't get off the field and all that and so.
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: some big plays.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even plays in the first staff that helped dictate the game.
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This safety to start the game to go up through to nothing.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have the face mask penalty on third down.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They called on Northwestern, which gave Indiana first down.
• 2:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They came down and scored off of that drive.
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you have the
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: first down off of the third down run where he where Lee BB slips out of three tackles you're right.
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: What an incredible game for him.
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Over 200 yards resting rushing with a touchdown.
• 3:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I threw the game with the first down run had to step up when Turbo Richard went down and.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's good that they brought him back and you need I think it seemed like Indiana and how dynamic they are offensively to have two or three running backs like turbo Richard and Lee BB and even Kobe Martin and now you're down to only one of those guys being available going in the next week I doubt turbo Richard's going to be good to go next week.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know Kobe Martin's going to be out to the midway part of the season.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Lee Bibi's going to have to step up and get a load, you know, and just get a load of the carries here going in the conference play.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how close to that midway point is it for Kobe because we're almost there.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oddly an easy.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're two weeks away from the midway point, but yeah, the depth is obviously
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: blatant late hit by Northwestern that just didn't even get a call.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Secondly, a hip drop tackle, which isn't even legal in the NFL anymore.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize college hasn't banned it yet, but they should.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just such a dangerous play.
• 4:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You see, and Northwestern did it all night.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And thirdly, just a tough tough break for a kid who was often at a great start.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't look good.
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It looked to me like the dreaded high
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: exactly similar to AJ Brown, uh, injury in the season opener for the, for the Patriots, and he's out minimum six weeks, they say.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm speculating there's absolutely no basis on that.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't want to, you know, make it make seem like my cuddles reporting.
• 5:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not that not that whatsoever.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But DB, you feel good for the kid, because he got hurt.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously last year early in the season,
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: He kind of got off to a slower start this year than the guy in front of him.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had some touchdowns called back by a penalty.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: He finally got in the end of the last week, but he just exploded.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: He took the time that was presented to him.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Northwestern's defense was susceptible to the run.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: We felt that coming in.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he just made some absolute huge plays without him running the way they did.
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't close up that game last night.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they don't.
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in the first half, when you look at the defense, I mean, they held Northwestern to less than 70 yards rushing last night.
• 5:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Passing passing wise, they could not defend the path.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: They struggled, especially in the second half.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like,
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned earlier how it just did not feel like they could get a stop in Diaz defense and they couldn't get off the field.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're letting child dial up these chunk plays and that that's going to hurt you against Ohio State, you know, when Jeremiah Smith that's 25 30 yards down the field.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: How are you going to stop that?
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't stop the, you know, the two white tight ends there at North Leicester and that that just killed you in the second half.
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of credit goes to I think Chip Kelly like we talked in the preview how he's so capable of being this big time offensive coordinator who's the offensive coordinator at Ohio State when they boat race Indiana at the shoe.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: a couple years ago.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: He carved up Bryant Haines defense a couple years ago.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He carved him up last night in the second half.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Eight in child's, what I thought horrible in the first staff.
• 6:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in the second half was not the same player he was in the first half, obviously.
• 7:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he kept them in the game.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: looked better than they had in the previous three games.
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if some of that was getting real eligible.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that has anything to do with it, but they look more comfortable.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: They looked more involved defensively.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've seen Steven Daley and Kellen Wyatt out there in the first three games, but for them to really be involved and be in the backfield and get tackles for loss.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought they were huge last night.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the first half and the first drive of the second half felt like, I was like, okay, this is the Indiana defense we saw last year, they were creating havoc.
• 7:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: They had a 21 yard sack that when it looked like Northwestern could be in field goal range.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely right.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Daily and Wyatt, you heard their names a lot more than you've heard about any point this year.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, they missed the third game of the year.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they come back and they were all over the place.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, OK, this is the defense of starting to come.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then North and Chip Kelly, man, he's a really good offensive mind.
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He does things to put his players and positions where they could take advantage of weaknesses on the other team on both the touchdowns.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: He kind of snuck one guy to one side of the field.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: They run the crosser and he's like running
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Indiana's defense does tile, let's keep the play open for so for so long that the fender just knows run to where they aren't.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And both times we were, however, he says name for Northwestern.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was almost in the exact same spot in the back of the end zone, both times.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: He just runs across the end zone.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Indiana defenders don't know when to let him go and toss them off to the next
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: childhoods and both times, they don't have really key play late.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: When it looked like a near was close to maybe baking a stop, he runs some weird motion and that puts an Indiana defensive end covering their best wide receiver.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Indiana gets in the beginning of PI call and a third-down stop turns into a first-down.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, and then they score later in the drive.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, he's really, really good at what he does.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: and in the end I had to had no way of figuring him out and you're right they're going to see better but offences later this year but I don't know they're going to see a quarterback who's capable of keeping a play a lot of quite like Aiden Child is.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: The only other quarterback that immediately came to mind who it fits the mold of just being elements to possible to tackle and can turn I 15 yard loss into a 30 yard game with his legs is
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you're going to see that out of sane.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how it was paid.
• 10:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know, you're seeing that out of Joey Brown at Purdue.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But isn't it a really, really struggle with mobility at the quarterback position?
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is this name, Joey?
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan?
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought for like a year it was max.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So... That's it.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: thought it was Joey.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It might be Ryan.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I know it's Ryan, but like I kept calling me max for like a year.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that year under Ryan Walters, I call me max all year max brown, which is another college football guy I'm pretty sure.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, but no.
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to learn something new every day.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last thing here is
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: All the fans that I think kind of overreacted the Western Kentucky game are kind of overreacting to this game a little bit.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last thing I want to hit on here is like, your initial takeaway from this game is what?
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: That exactly what we said, they were going to struggle to replace, they are struggling to replace.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the intangibles.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: and just overall really, really like, program, altering play of guys like DeAngelo Ponds and Aiden Fisher and Pat Cougan and Lou Moore.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're just, those guys, they're in the NFL for a reason.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's Ohio State, it's why you gotta kind of marvel at what they do.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: They replace guys like this every year
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: guys who end up being better, but they're also recruiting five star guys every off season.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Indiana doesn't have that advantage.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're living in the portal.
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you live in the portal, you know, continuity is a huge thing.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sig brought his guys with him from James Madison.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is the first time he doesn't have a lot of those guys around.
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to piece this together.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that anyone has played poorly that they got out of the portal class.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Toby, you know, he saw Toby owns his sorry, the end begs him place last night.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's doing really, really good things, but they're struggling at the quarterback position and replace ponds.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: The linebackers, we saw hardy go out last night.
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's huge.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has to come back.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one guy I felt like on the defense.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't lose.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they really are struggling to replace Lewis Moore.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to toss a kid under the bus at my name, but they really got to get improved play out of the safety position right now.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the in the line, just the right side of the line isn't getting the push that we saw last year in the center position, there were three times they had some sort of snap miscommunication last night with with Lynch, Lynch is doing okay, he's grading out really well and run
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, mistakes like the ones that were being made last night, we didn't see last year, and they had eight penalties.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's like one of the highest totals in in the Signetti era, and three of them were just weird snap plays.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Hoover missed some throws last night in the first half.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: He missed three particular throws.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he looked better in the second half.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, he had to quarterback keeper for the touchdown to give him some cushion down the stretch.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last time we saw a quarterback running for a big touchdown and a crucial spot was in the national championship again.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you remember what happened.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I might have a video of it somewhere I can go for refrosch, okay.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Hoover was better in the second half.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's still not been perfect since maybe the North Texas game, even the Howard game, maybe I still think he could be a stud.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I still think he can be a good player.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't turned the ball over yet, knock on wood.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: He has controlled the game at a nice pace.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's underthrowing some balls.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's overthrown some balls.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: but he still kept his nose in there.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he still made some nice plays.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's a good takeaway from that game.
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, the crowd, the atmosphere, neither you or I were there, but you could tell from TV, I thought the atmosphere was really good and that's what Stignetti wanted.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have to throw one thing out that we haven't talked about yet.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nick Marsh in the Run game, man.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: the blocks that kid was throwing for me be especially late in those last two drives.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is stuff that just gets you, I mean, that takes you from a second third round guy to a first round guy.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Putting that stuff on film, people were worried about him after the first couple of games, because I think we're expecting, this is the guy is going to come in catch eight balls a week for
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: The effort hasn't fallen off and he's starting to make plays.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: He caught a touchdown last night.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're seeing more targets going his way and he just lit up some dudes in the running game that freed up BB for some long runs that I think sealed the game.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So to me, he was the most important guy outside of BB last night.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just the way he played overall.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought was was great and
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's no doubt about it, and now you go into the Rutgers game.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Rutgers obviously has had their struggles lost to UMass pretty much handled Howard last night too on Friday.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: They played a weird Friday night game.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So both teams are going to have a week to prepare.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have your first row game of the season.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a team that necessarily overlook neither was Northwestern, but you know, this Rutgers team hung around with USC last week, and I'm sure they're capable of hanging around with Indiana, especially with the game being at Rutgers.
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Rutgers, and it's a night game, and I think they're planning their, it's going to be interesting because I do think with the alumni base in the New York City and
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: With the Indiana fans, I think some of them are planning on making this kind of a travel destination game.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're planning a blackout.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder how that's going to go.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because I do think you'll see a healthy contingent of Indiana fans at this game because Rutgers is a cheap ticket.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's not a lot of cheap tickets on Indiana schedule this year.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And New York's a pretty easy flight.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think you're maybe going to see a contingent of Indiana fans there, but first row game in the end is the last power 14.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the player row game.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Rutgers has played better.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: The first two weeks they look pretty hopeless.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, the USC game was probably a pick six away from maybe getting really interesting for Lincoln Riley and USC.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: 20 in a row.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: The podcast remains undefeated until it's not.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look forward to it and we'll preview it later this week.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Things are about to start really getting interesting for this eye-u-team.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Gonna have four or five really fun weeks coming up here for the Hoosiers and Grant.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Michael will be talking about it all season and his Mike mentioned at the end.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: The podcast's still unbeaten since Grant and Mike started together on the IU report.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: No losses for the Hoosier so that might be the lucky charms.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So make sure you tune in to the preview later this week and their reaction to every game coming this year.
• 18:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks again to Grant and Mike and thank you for listening.
• 19:48
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