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Feminist Trump-denier springs gotcha on Andrew Wilson | Maintaining Frame 154 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Oh my fucking explained Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Denire, Hello, femin scores.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I was the one who devised the term Trump denial,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't even know what it means. So guys
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  Speaker 1: can start speculating it is the existence, like who knows,
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  Speaker 1: does he really exist? Perhaps he is the greatest ai
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  Speaker 1: fake of human history. I don't know, Like obviously that's
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  Speaker 1: that's bullshit. But you guys can you guys can start
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  Speaker 1: your conspiracy engines and we can can get a definition
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  Speaker 1: for this term. But yeah, so since really there was
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  Speaker 1: a kerfuffle, I would say for costs, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if anybody knows how to pronounce that fracas. But so,
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  Speaker 1: and actually it was Brian who brought this to my attention.
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  Speaker 1: I think this this is what you brought me, brought
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  Speaker 1: to my attention? Or did I just zero in on
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  Speaker 1: this like an on.
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  Speaker 3: Tip you you know what, I'll give you the backstory.
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  Speaker 3: I was literally just you were asking about doing something
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  Speaker 3: about this, like a pro life YouTube PSA thing, the sketch,
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  Speaker 3: and I just happened to say, hey, I'm listening in
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  Speaker 3: on an X space that involves Andrew Wilson and a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of feminists and they're like debating him on X,
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  Speaker 3: like in an X space, which is a live space
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  Speaker 3: on X, and then you grabbed this random X tweet
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  Speaker 3: and said is this it? And it's completely not it.
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  Speaker 3: It was something else, but it we ended up going
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  Speaker 3: down this rabbit hole. So this is not at all
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  Speaker 3: what I was talking about. But the thing I was
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  Speaker 3: talking about what would have been, you know, the X
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  Speaker 3: spaces they can go for hours, so I, well, you
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  Speaker 3: really want to make that the topic?
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  Speaker 1: Whether it was apparently so can whatever podcast?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: So whatever podcast? A six hour stream? Yes, a six.
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  Speaker 1: Hour stream that this is from that, this was cherry
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  Speaker 1: pick from. So the drama that I saw when Brian
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  Speaker 1: directed me towards this stream was not I guess it
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  Speaker 1: was somewhat related to the stream because it seems like
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  Speaker 1: there's I don't know everything right, I'm coming into this
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  Speaker 1: a little blind. So I look at the timeline, I'm like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So this is a situation where Andrew Wilson was taken
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  Speaker 1: out of context by a feminist who then created a clip.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if the clip. Did the clip go viral?
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  Speaker 5: This one? Yeah, like maybe we should not, it doesn't. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I have it right here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, maybe we should let's back up for a second. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: all right, So the X space was just something I
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  Speaker 3: happened to come across and it was called is Andrew
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  Speaker 3: Wilson a net positive or negative?
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  Speaker 5: That was it, and I was like, I wonder what
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  Speaker 5: this is.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'll listen to it anonymously, and it turned
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  Speaker 3: out to be a shit show. This clip is just
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  Speaker 3: one of many that are floating around. And the reason
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  Speaker 3: for that, in case you guys don't know, is that
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  Speaker 3: Andrew Wilson has become something of a notorious figure in
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  Speaker 3: feminist spaces. They hate him because he's right. They hate
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  Speaker 3: him because he demolishes their arguments. They hate him because
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  Speaker 3: he goes on the Whatever podcast as a regular He's
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  Speaker 3: basically the second host after Brian Atlas and demolishes people
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  Speaker 3: in debates.
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  Speaker 5: This is just the reality, okay.
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  Speaker 3: And so because of that, they despise him because he's
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  Speaker 3: exposing them, and they will take whatever they can to
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  Speaker 3: make him look bad. Like, for example, not long ago,
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  Speaker 3: he was debating a feminist that I guess was a
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  Speaker 3: regular has regularly appears on Jubilee, and he was you know,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't watch the whole thing so because I don't
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  Speaker 3: really watch a lot of Andrew Wilson stuff because I
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  Speaker 3: know what the most of the arguments are, but my
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  Speaker 3: wife Lindsey watches a lot of them. And in this
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  Speaker 3: debate he ended up, for whatever reason, there was a
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  Speaker 3: challenge to open a jar of olives, and he struggled
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  Speaker 3: to open it because it, according to him, was greased up,
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  Speaker 3: and that became the whole show. Now everybody's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you couldn't even open a jar of olives. You are
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  Speaker 3: a failed man. As an example of how weak the
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  Speaker 3: arguments are because they don't have any anything that that
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  Speaker 3: feminists can use, and their enablers they will use.
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  Speaker 5: That's basically what it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's complete weak sauce. So this person, their account is well,
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  Speaker 3: the not the person made the video. The person made
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  Speaker 3: the video is named potty mouth Pollyanna. And then this
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  Speaker 3: was shared by somebody named Maga cult Slayer. Okay, and
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  Speaker 3: it says this, yeah, and then this, and it says
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  Speaker 3: this man should be locked up for even attempting to
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  Speaker 3: make this argument.
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  Speaker 5: It should be considered hate speech, of which, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Just as an Assida gotta this gives me a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a chuckle you have the absolute nerve to
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  Speaker 3: put an American flag in your bio, and you believe
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  Speaker 3: in the concept of hate speech, you deserve to be
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  Speaker 3: slapped in the face. But anyway it should be considered
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  Speaker 3: hate speech. I agree with her. Drop your pants and
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  Speaker 3: let's find out. And now we will listen to the
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  Speaker 3: video that potty mouth Pollyanna shared and she is basically
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  Speaker 3: telling us what Andrew Wilson actually means with this caption
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  Speaker 3: that says, this is why we chose the bear Andrew
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  Speaker 3: Wilson quote. Grape isn't always bad end quote. So let's
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  Speaker 3: give this a listen, because you guys got to hear this.
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  Speaker 4: Grape is bad for certain people, for certain people, it's
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  Speaker 4: bad for every No, it's all hearing. Essay, Yeah, what
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  Speaker 4: does it have to do with anything? Well, bro, if
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  Speaker 4: that's the case, right, then it was it bad for them?
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  Speaker 6: What the fuck did you just say?
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  Speaker 7: Let finish, there's no carve out, there's no examples of
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  Speaker 7: women where it's not Assault is always fucking bad. But
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  Speaker 7: since you seem so keen on this little theory, how
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  Speaker 7: about you bend over, drop trial and let some guys
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  Speaker 7: test it out on you. See, Well, what don't you
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  Speaker 7: fucking enjoy it. Imagine being the kind of despicable person
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  Speaker 7: who's defending essay, who's suggesting that women could enjoy it.
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  Speaker 7: Therefore it's not bad. Assault is always bad, and only
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  Speaker 7: predators would make the argument you're fucking making.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into this drama, can we just pull
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  Speaker 1: up those that information that I sent about Marry cost like,
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  Speaker 1: because because she's she's making some she's laying down some
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  Speaker 1: pretty strong talk here that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, where is the Merry cost thing? Because I don't
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  Speaker 5: see it? Did you? Was it the you sent?
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  Speaker 1: It's it's all in there. It's a little bit lower down.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I see it. I see it. Let me
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  Speaker 5: just let this load up. Yeah, okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so well let me see where it is.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: This is my sort of facetious response to this. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure why the feminists are up in arms. He's
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  Speaker 1: just quoting feminist Merry Costs, originator of the one and
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  Speaker 1: four myth. Also, I would might I might add she
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  Speaker 1: is a feminist in good standing. She still gets jobs
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  Speaker 1: as a consultant on sexual assault, and she has not
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  Speaker 1: been excommunicated from the sisterhood like Camail Paglia or Christina
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  Speaker 1: hoff Summers. So this is this is this is a
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  Speaker 1: feminists feminist, and she who also said, and she was
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  Speaker 1: the originator of the one infemouth which feminists use consistently
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  Speaker 1: and constantly, who also said that rape can't be considered
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  Speaker 1: rape when a man is a victim of a woman.
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  Speaker 1: It's just ambivalent consent. And it's because she says that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is something, this is a pleasure that
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  Speaker 1: women that men get from women, and so you know,
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  Speaker 1: it can't be taken from men. And this is this
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  Speaker 1: is why I find it so interesting that she didn't use,
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  Speaker 1: like when she was talking about this, this feminist who
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  Speaker 1: was putting Andrew Wilson on blast, she didn't use the
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  Speaker 1: obvious reversal, which would be, well, why don't you let
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  Speaker 1: a woman rape you, Andrew, you know, and see if
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  Speaker 1: you like that, because she buys into the same framework
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  Speaker 1: as Mary Cosse, who incidentally not only argues that it
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  Speaker 1: isn't rape when men when women use force like weapons
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  Speaker 1: to have sex with men, she argues that it shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: even be like it's it should be its own thing.
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  Speaker 1: She called it made penetrate because presumably maybe the researchers
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  Speaker 1: at the Center of Disease Control push back against surprised
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  Speaker 1: totally enjoyed and wanted sex. But anyway, I just find
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  Speaker 1: it really richly entertained. Could could you just go back
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  Speaker 1: to that previous tweet and let's listen to what she
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  Speaker 1: says about people who say that others can enjoy rape again.
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  Speaker 5: Go to his clip or her response right here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, her response, let's listen to it again.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, this thing to load up?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need loading music.
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  Speaker 6: What the fuck did you just say?
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  Speaker 7: It's always bad?
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  Speaker 1: Period?
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  Speaker 7: Full stop. There's no carve out, there's no examples of
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  Speaker 7: women where it's not assault is always fucking bad. But
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  Speaker 7: since you seem so keen on this little theory, how
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  Speaker 7: about you bend over drop trial and let some guys
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  Speaker 7: test it out on you see if at any point
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  Speaker 7: you fucking enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: Again, she didn't use a woman, she used a man,
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  Speaker 1: so she didn't do the reversal. And that's because she
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  Speaker 1: believes that it isn't rape when women do it to men,
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  Speaker 1: and probably believes it isn't rape when women do it
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  Speaker 1: to men, because of course men enjoy it. Funny how
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  Speaker 1: that works, and it's funny how we allow feminists to
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  Speaker 1: use this argument when again, feminist feminist Marry Costs used
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  Speaker 1: exactly that argument to completely discredit male victims of sexual
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  Speaker 1: assault and also hide them in the statistics that and
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  Speaker 1: eventually inform policy in terms of how we treat male
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  Speaker 1: and female victims of sexual assault. And for those of
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  Speaker 1: you who are like, oh, but she's right, you know
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  Speaker 1: that's it's not. When we look at the outcomes for
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  Speaker 1: victims of sexual assault, men also have and when you
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  Speaker 1: don't ask them, because if you ask men, you know,
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  Speaker 1: was this a terrible event, they'll probably say no. So
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  Speaker 1: what you need to track is work lost, so days
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  Speaker 1: of work lost, education law like days and education lost, unemployment,
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  Speaker 1: drug use, suicidal ideation, homelessness. So these kind of adverse outcomes.
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  Speaker 1: And when you track the adverse outcomes, yes, we find
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  Speaker 1: out that men are indeed quite harmed by sexual assault
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  Speaker 1: against them male, whether or not the perpetrators male or female.
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  Speaker 1: I know this is a surprise to everyone, but strangely enough,
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  Speaker 1: in our para bonding species, men also develop feelings when
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  Speaker 1: they have sex. I know there's a lot of argument
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  Speaker 1: against that, but to be honest, it doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 1: it's completely holds out, so you can actually use the
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  Speaker 1: forcing sex in order to harm men. And again, this
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  Speaker 1: woman obviously buys into the rhetoric that if a grape
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  Speaker 1: victim enjoys the grape rape, then it's not rape because
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  Speaker 1: she didn't even use the reversal. Yeah, did you want
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  Speaker 1: to say something, Brian?
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  Speaker 5: Just you know.
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  Speaker 3: The thing that's also interesting about this is that, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's safe to assume this woman is a feminist.
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  Speaker 3: What shocking is is that she can take this which
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  Speaker 3: is out of context, and we're gonna show you what
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  Speaker 3: was actually, like what the full context of this clip is,
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  Speaker 3: and then show it and then then immediately go what
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  Speaker 3: the fuck did you just say, acting extremely shocked and appalled,
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  Speaker 3: as though that alone is going to influence everybody around
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  Speaker 3: her to side with her, while also simultaneously claiming that
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  Speaker 3: we live in a society where she would be should
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  Speaker 3: she should have been dismissed in And what's even the
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  Speaker 3: best part about this is that she actually should be
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  Speaker 3: dismissed because she is lying right to our faces.
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  Speaker 5: So like just her reaction her what the fuck.
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  Speaker 3: Like this whole like, no, you didn't in a world
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  Speaker 3: where we're we supposedly don't give a shit about what
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  Speaker 3: women say. She presumes that we're supposed to give a
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  Speaker 3: shit about what she's saying, even though she's lying, and
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  Speaker 3: so we shouldn't actually give a shit about what she's saying.
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  Speaker 3: So let me play it again and look look at her,
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  Speaker 3: because this is the way these people work. Her appalled reaction,
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  Speaker 3: which is a lie because she knows it's a lie
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  Speaker 3: because she found this clip.
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  Speaker 5: But she is acting like absolutely shocked.
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  Speaker 3: That this even exists on the internet, which again is
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  Speaker 3: counter to the narrative that this should be common and
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  Speaker 3: men shouldn't find it at all insulting in the made
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  Speaker 3: up context that she created.
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  Speaker 5: Do you guys, you see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: She's made up a fiction, use this clip to stand
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  Speaker 3: by that fiction, and then acted shocked at the fiction
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  Speaker 3: and the shock that she's presenting. We, as the people
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  Speaker 3: who oppress her, are supposed to give a shit about
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  Speaker 3: but we don't because she's lying.
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  Speaker 5: Let me play it again so you can see this.
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  Speaker 1: What the fuck did you just say?
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  Speaker 3: See how she see how she does that you're supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be appalled because she's appalled.
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  Speaker 5: That's what this is.
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  Speaker 3: What women do, they can like get you to feel
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  Speaker 3: the way they're feeling. This is why we've said this
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  Speaker 3: in entertainment, right when you want to tell the audience
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  Speaker 3: that they should be shocked or depressed or afraid or
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  Speaker 3: some thing, some kind of emotional reaction, they cut to
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  Speaker 3: a woman reacting. That's how you know, oh, this is
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  Speaker 3: a bad thing because the woman is upset. So she's
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  Speaker 3: doing this. It's the same, it's the same tactic. So anyway,
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  Speaker 3: is what he said not appalling? No, you don't have
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  Speaker 3: the context, dude, it's a lie, and we're gonna show
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  Speaker 3: you it's a lie. So yeah, And that's the thing,
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  Speaker 3: like if you like, a woman who acts appalled and
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  Speaker 3: she's lying, can get a man thrown in jail or murdered, lynched,
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  Speaker 3: And we're supposed to sympathize with her without being aware
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  Speaker 3: of the fact that she is weaponizing her like our
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  Speaker 3: desire to protect women against people, and that's what this
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  Speaker 3: woman is doing. I mean, it's really plain like it's
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  Speaker 3: not like it's it just it just is like we
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  Speaker 3: have to understand that there women have this power and
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  Speaker 3: sometimes they use it for evil, and that's what this
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  Speaker 3: woman is doing. We'll get to the context in a second,
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  Speaker 3: but go ahead out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll get.
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  Speaker 1: To the context. Maybe not in a second, because I
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  Speaker 1: want to go through some stuff that's some context here,
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  Speaker 1: especially feminist context, because again feminists, feminist Marry cost has
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  Speaker 1: essentially said that men can't be raped because they enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: It just can't be considered the same as rape. And
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  Speaker 1: we can go through the actual evidence of this. Do
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  Speaker 1: you have the ability to sign into signdcloud a SoundCloud,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm trying, and it's want to listen to what
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  Speaker 1: Mary Costs has to say about male victims of sexual assault.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have a SoundCloud. I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that matters, but yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: I can try to log into it. It's just that
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  Speaker 1: I found this clip and I think it's really critical.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing research as we go through. But
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you the exact link to it and you
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  Speaker 1: see if you are able to do anything with it. Sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 1: but until we do, we could look at this, which
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  Speaker 1: is my link in that thread. I'll send it to
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  Speaker 1: you as well. This is Taman Taman's writings. He's a
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  Speaker 1: he's a researcher into this kind of stuff, or at
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: least an interested layperson. And he's been at it for
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  Speaker 1: as well known. I've known about his writings for ten
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  Speaker 1: years more or more. He was at it when I
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: was back in like Feminist the Feminist Critics blog, like
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. But he's been sort of got it.
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  Speaker 3: I got the SoundCloud thing to open, but it's don't
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  Speaker 3: to play the whole thing because I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: long it is mm hmm, like ten minutes long, Like
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  Speaker 3: how much of it do you want me to play?
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's just we can. Let's play it and we'll
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  Speaker 1: skip forward if necessary. I don't think we're gonna hit
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  Speaker 1: be hit with a copyright strike.
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  Speaker 8: In a woman rape a man, It's a subject we
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  Speaker 8: don't hear in the news very often we're anywhere at all.
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  Speaker 8: Rape in any situation is hard to talk about. But
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  Speaker 8: female on male rape faces its own brand of trials
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  Speaker 8: and hardships epticism. For one, Today we look at the
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  Speaker 8: problems of male survivors with female perpetrators. How do they
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  Speaker 8: deal with the aftermath of a trauma that some don't
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  Speaker 8: even recognize as possible?
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  Speaker 5: Reporter Teresa Fung story jump ahead.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, not that far here.
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  Speaker 6: Two thousand and seven, Charlie met a woman on a
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  Speaker 6: dating site.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think this context is good. I think if
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  Speaker 1: we listened to the whole thing, it'll be fine. Brian,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be fine. We'll get back to it. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's next.
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  Speaker 9: I think this contract.
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  Speaker 6: It didn't take long for Charlie to realize Diane had
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  Speaker 6: her handful of problems. She was going through a rough
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  Speaker 6: divorce with her second husband, and her first husband had
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: died in a car accident. All this and more would
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: lead to an unforgettable New Year's night in a way
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: Charlie said he never saw coming.
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  Speaker 10: It'd been a long day for me. So I said
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  Speaker 10: I'm going to take a little nap and went to
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  Speaker 10: the kitchen, got minesota and I drank it. Next Say
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  Speaker 10: was lying on the coaching She felt like a light
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  Speaker 10: and she's on top of me.
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  Speaker 6: It's a familiar scenario, date night, a spike to drink,
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  Speaker 6: and waking up from what could only be described as
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  Speaker 6: a nightmare, except in this dream really isn't playing the
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  Speaker 6: part of the boogeyman. He's the victim.
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  Speaker 10: It was gone and I said, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 10: What are you just just slide that I need this.
• 17:04
  Speaker 10: So she had her fun and then she put it
• 17:07
  Speaker 10: hair on my chest and she goes, now you can
• 17:08
  Speaker 10: take and.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: I said, whoa.
• 17:09
  Speaker 10: Well I was able to push her up. I got
• 17:12
  Speaker 10: up and said, what are you doing? She's just licking
• 17:14
  Speaker 10: just what you want, not like this. Doesn't have to
• 17:17
  Speaker 10: be like this.
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: And I just stood up.
• 17:18
  Speaker 10: I dressed and I left.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: And that was it.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: After he left that apartment really drove home, he says
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: he felt embarrassed, elated, and confused. He says, before that night,
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: this was a reality he never imagined possible for himself.
• 17:36
  Speaker 9: My wildest dreams, would I even imagine it, not only
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: from her, they would even happen to me with aunt.
• 17:42
  Speaker 9: Never in my wildest dreams, never even never envisioned it,
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: never this happening.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: The struggle which male rape survivors face is not greater
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: or lesser than that of female survivors, but it is different.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: For one, men are asked if it's even possible for
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: them to be raped by women. Being Esme, the managing
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: editor of Males Last Plus for Men, he was once
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: a skeptic himself. Esme works on a regular basis with
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: other male survivors. He says, female on male rape. Survivors
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: face skepticism which often seems harmless but is far from it.
• 18:21
  Speaker 11: And we teach guys to laugh about those things, we
• 18:24
  Speaker 11: teach women to laugh about it. Oh come on, you
• 18:27
  Speaker 11: like this? Oh come on? You know boys are looking
• 18:30
  Speaker 11: for are always asking for it. So what this amounts
• 18:32
  Speaker 11: to the gross cheapening of male sexuality?
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: Es May says these ideas on male behavior are not
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: just in our conversations, It's on our TV and computer
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: screens too. Reactions like these are common, making male survivors
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: feel like they aren't legitimate survivors. Sharon Imperato is a
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: male trauma specialist at the Boston Area Rape Crisis Center.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: She says the way society views gender it hurts male survivors.
• 19:01
  Speaker 12: I think the idea that if a woman approaches a
• 19:03
  Speaker 12: man and wants sex, that he's supposed to want it,
• 19:05
  Speaker 12: and if he doesn't, then there's something wrong with him.
• 19:08
  Speaker 12: Women will sometimes use that and say to them, you're
• 19:10
  Speaker 12: less of a man. If you were a man, you
• 19:11
  Speaker 12: would have sex.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: Imperado, who works with men and women, says there's a
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: key difference between how male and female survivors react. The
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: men who come to see her at the Rape Crisis Center,
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: have a hard time calling what happened to them rape,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: even if they were molested as children.
• 19:30
  Speaker 12: They will say things like, well, when I was younger,
• 19:33
  Speaker 12: I had sex with this woman. So you have to
• 19:35
  Speaker 12: ask questions like, well, how old were you? I was
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: eight and she was sixteen. We would already know that
• 19:39
  Speaker 12: that's statutory. Men don't necessarily see it that way, because again,
• 19:42
  Speaker 12: they're taught and supposed to always want sex no matter how
• 19:44
  Speaker 12: old I am. They're going to think that it's quote
• 19:45
  Speaker 12: unquote having sex when you and I recognize it's actually rape.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: Can a woman rape a man? For Charlie Dean Esmey
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: and even Sharon Imperado, the answer isn't overwhelming. Yes, not
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: only is it possible, but these people every day. But
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: it's American heads on TV or people behind keyboards on
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: the internet. There's one powerful voice that says no, the law,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: the definition of rape by the FBI reads rape him.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: It could be considered sexual assault, but not rape.
• 20:19
  Speaker 13: My heart, He's stopping dishes just so you know. I'm
• 20:22
  Speaker 13: not a man hater overall. I can get dislike it
• 20:25
  Speaker 13: when dishes.
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: When you're on the radio, doctor Mary Koss is a
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: highly influential researcher in the field of sexual assault. In
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: nineteen eighty seven, she published the first national rape study,
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: which said one in four women are raped in college today.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: Bitter cost is held single handedly responsible by her critics
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: for excluding male survivors with female perps under the FBI's
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: definition of rape. Man hater is exactly what they call her.
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: I know you didn't come here to do a debate
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: about doctor Costs, but people who speak like her are
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: the problem. She believes hateful things about men may is one.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: Of Costs many critics who has a big problem with
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: the current legal definition of rape. Costs says one of
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: the main reasons the definition does not include men being
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: forced to penetrate women is because of emotional trauma or
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: lack thereof.
• 21:20
  Speaker 13: How do they react to rape? If you look at
• 21:23
  Speaker 13: this group of men who identify themselves as rape victims
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: raped by women, you'll find that their shame is not
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: similar to women, their level of a similar to women,
• 21:35
  Speaker 13: and their penetration experience is not similar to what women
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: are reporting.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: But for men like Charlie, this isn't true. It's been
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: eight years since he got off that couch and out
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: of that apartment. But he says he never forgets what
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: was it like to have like the first night of
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: the year.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think that we pretty much thought so. Literally literally,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: we have a feminist saying it's not rape if you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it and you're a man, so it just can't
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: be considered the same thing. And this feminist, she's not
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: just a random on the internet. She's not a person
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: who goes on the whatever podcast. She influenced the government
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to change how it actually tabulated statistics on sexual assault. Now,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm tired of feminists looking at this and using the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: outrage around grape rape in order to make these arguments,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Like she's saying, how dare you, like you pointed out, Brian,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: how dare you? How dare they they? Until they clean house?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear this ever again until they
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: clean house. And this is a big problem. Mary Coss
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: has huge influence over the statistics and the policy and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: potentially the laws going forward, and she has literally said
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: men can't be raped because they enjoy it. That's her logic.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And we are supposed to care about a hypothetical, A
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: hypothetical made by Andrew Wilson off the fly on a podcast,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: and this is supposed to Oh, it's this great offense. Well,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: what the cost then should we have for this woman?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And again, this is a misinterpretation of what Andrew Wilson said.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: But they're using a misinterpretation of what he said, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: they are being utter hypocrites about it, because all things
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: held equal, I think it's a hell of a lot
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: more damaging what Merry Costs did than any potential negative
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: consequences of this hypothetical. Do you get what I'm saying?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Like out, Well, they didn't just they didn't. Just they
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: didn't misinterpret They lied. This is not like an accident.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: They're not They're not stupid. I don't want to insult them.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: What they're doing is evil. That that's all it is.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: They lied.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: It is a lie about what somebody said in order
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: to drive home a narrative which essentially is, at the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: end of the day, it's ultimately about silencing people who
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: are making good progress.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: And you know, like that's it, and that's it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And she's acting appalled because she wants her simps and
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: white Knights to come out because obviously, like feminists, they
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: don't do anything themselves. They appeal to men, and then
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: men do stuff. They appeal to the patriarchy, and the
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: patriarchy acts on their behalf. So that's what she's doing.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: When she says, how dare you? Oh my god, you
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: have no idea, it's almost like she's calling for her
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: simps to anally rape Andrew Wilson to make a point like,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: that's kind of what's in her video. I know it
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: sounds really disgusting, but that's what I think she's doing.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, and again, she is lying about this. But even
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: in the context, what possible platform could feminists have to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: make these to gather outrage over rape? When they do this,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: it's sort of like watching someone engage in like mass
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: murder and then you have a steak and they're like,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: look at you killing things, Like, really, you've just shot
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: like a couple hundred people. Ooh, I wonder in minecraft,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, you've just unalived a whole bunch, an entire
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: village worth of people, and you're you are after me
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: because I had a steak dinner and that's Meeta's murder.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: It's like this level of hypocrisy that they bring to bear,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: nobody should listen to them. And they untill they clean
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: up merry costs when it comes to great, because literally
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: she's decided an entire gender can't be great. What is
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: one of the things that she said. I know, I'm
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: using this as a bit of a platform for this.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Although men may sometimes sexually penetrate a women when ambivalent
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: about their own desires, ambivalent to these these acts fail
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to meet legal definitions of grape that are based on penetration,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and the legal definition has now changed, But she continues
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: in policy, in the collection of stats, she continues to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: promote hiding male victims. And we have an ideology feminism
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: that is trying to prove that men use grape and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: domestic violence. You know, I fucking hate using grape, rape
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and domestic violence. That men use rape and domestics of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: violence to uphold patriarchy.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Yea, the worst?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Who cares YouTube? Do your worst? Men use grape, rape,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and domestic violence to uphold patriarchy. That is the feminist ideology. Okay,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that's what they're trying to prove when they get in
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the statistics and start messing around with crap. And yet
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: now we've started to find out with the big population
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: studies and smaller studies focusing on just trying to figure
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: out how to get men to reveal what's going on.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: We're starting to find out that the picture is a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: lot different and actually women may be equally likely to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: rape as men equally likely to make rape men. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: don't get me started on women rape and women. They're
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: doing a lot of that. This is, this is, this,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: this is But feminists, because they want to prove that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: men use rape to uphold patriarchy, they're hiding this behind
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: definition games. And Myrikoss is one of the biggest offenders
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of this. So when she gets out there and she
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: starts pontificating, this woman magas Layer starts pontificating about a
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: man using a hypothetical that references rape, and she says, oh,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: how dare Like literally your ideology is trying to use
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: trying to manipulate rape statistics to prove that men use
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: rape to uphold patriarchy, which is itself as a horrifying
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Like I'm like reading this stuff. I'm reading the stuff
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that feminists are trying to push using the statistics, and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it's like turning my stomach. Who wants to who wants who?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And I don't get it like all of the academics
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: surrounding this cancer just were like, don't don't you think
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you need to substantiate your allegations here, feminists, you really
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: are going to assert that men use rape to uphold paietriarchy. Huh?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And then you're gonna go into the statistics and hide
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the rate which women rape men behind euphemisms like may
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to penetrate, surprise sex. Oh, he didn't know he wanted it,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: but he really did, ambivalent consent.
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: All of this crap.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: You're gonna make up all this crap to hide actual
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: rape victims. Turn around and start yammering at at at
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a guy who just makes a hypothetical like you you
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: have you have lost the plot, Like you fix that,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: even you fix that, Do penance and tend back all
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: of the money that you falsely got as supposed advocates
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: for sexual assault victims. Then we'll talk until that moment.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Get back into your moral hole, your moral pit that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you dug for yourself, and shut the fuck up. Okay,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: there you go, there's my rant.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: So should we look at the context now of look
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: at the context?
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, so the video again.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Is Andrew Wilson saying, well, Let's let's listen again, because
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: you rant.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: It a lot, and I think people are going to forget.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: So let's look at this again.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Grape is bad for certain people, for certain people. Every No,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: it's only bad for certain people here, like there's women
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: you agree, jeering.
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: Essay that has nothing to do with essay, Brosten.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Let's just.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: When you listen to this in that context, he could
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent be calling out this feminist for making
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: an argument that it's different for men because he has
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: erect A man has an erection. I know he isn't,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: but it could be that seemed that way, but anyway, continue.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're changing the conversation completely too though. I mean, yes,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: it could be that, but that's not what they're conversing.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: That's also not the context of this clip. It's not
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: about whether a man Okay, okay, I'm just saying because
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: it's adding confusion, people.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Like, what is this about?
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: All right?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Keep going?
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: All right, let me let me go back again.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: No, it's only bad for certain people. Heres like there's
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: women you agree, you jeering essay that has nothing to
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: do with their not essays.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait, but ambivalent concent Okay.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Bro, if that's the case, right, it wasn't that for them?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: What the fuck did you just say?
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: All right, So that's the clip and that's all she plays.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: And then of course she asks me talked in a
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Paul in the VI Klemp and just says, oh my.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: God, but what if this happened to you?
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Essays say, I hate to say that sexual assault and
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: rape are very serious all the time, no matter what.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Obviously she doesn't really mean when it happens to men,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: because she cheers on the possibility that it happens to Yeah,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Andrew Wilson to make.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: A point, can't believe.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, one more thing that just this is this is
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: my you know that this is my This is my thing.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: This is what got me into this is I just
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: wanted male victims of sexual assault to be recognized proportionate
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to you know, how often it happens. And then I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: found out, oh crap, it happens half as often. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: then I got into it a feminists, and then feminists were like, no,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: you can't say this, and they made debunking feminism a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: condition of recognizing male victims of sexual assault. So it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: my thing. The thing is that she is advocating sexual assault,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and nobody sees that. Nobody says, wait a second, you're
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: calling him out for a hypothetical while advocating that someone
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: be sexually assaulted, like are you No.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: She just thinks it's a clever zinger, like it scores
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: her points. And if you look in the comments, like
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of people agree with it. I mean I
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: think she got well, no, she got two and a
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: half thousand likes and two hundred comments.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that's a ratio. I don't know
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: how that works.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: But there are some people saying I am missing something.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: So when my wife wakes me up writing my dick,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: that's bad. So obviously you have some of these, like
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: you know, these male feminist types.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Oh shure, what's wrong? What are you gay? What are
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: you gay? What are you low tee? Or she's right, dude,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: it's a fucking Weirdoh.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: So, like they're all going along with it because like again,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: it just exposes how little sympathy or you know, compassion
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: we have for men when they're victims, especially if we
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: just decided we don't like them, And how do we
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: decide it we don't like them?
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: If a woman acts appalled by them. That's it. She
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: acts appauled.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Well, that guy is not a man anymore. He's not
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: the enemy, right because the upset women, and you can't
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: do that, you know.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: So anyway, it's.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Like she is so covered in shit and mud and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: she's she's saying, oh, but you're filthy. Yeah, no, lady,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you're wallowing at this point. You have absolutely no moral
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: basis to condemn Andrew Wilson, no moral basis whatsoever, certainly
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: not from a feminist standpoint. I just I think it's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: sometimes really difficult to recognize the horror of this. This
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: is a government funded ideology that is erasing male victims
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: from the statistics. This is horrifying. Okay, but let's let's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: keep going.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: You're right, all right, So here's the context where they're
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: discussing hypotheticals.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: You could never make a case why that would be bad.
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: I think so how because I don't think that people
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: should be choosing who other people's partners are.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: If that led to the best outcomes, you would have
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: no argument for that.
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: So wait, then, can I just make the same argument
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: towards you about you were talking about the whole incest
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: and brother case, what about it. Then you're saying that
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: there is a better reason.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Why If it were the case, then and I and
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: you said I had the best outcomes, but you were
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: still against it based on intuition. That's where you would
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: have the inconsistence. I wasn't against it, we said intuitively. Additionally,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: you're intuitively against.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: It because I literally told you, hold on.
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: I think for these cases, no, I think for these cases,
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: our intuitions are responding to the very factors that we
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: tried to stipulate out.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Oh that's not always the case.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: I think for this case it absolutely Let me talk
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: to you about Andrew. Then let then let me go
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: back on my previous statement and say that if that
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: situation that you provided, then yeah, then yes.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Of course, because now you have to be consistent because
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I point out yet another inconsistency. So of course I don't.
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: Remember saying that. I remember what I was doing.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Who's being autistic?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I am, Well, I mean you think.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: You are, Andrew.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Look, Andrew is trying to expose this guy's logical in
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: insistency because he's trying to pick and choose when something
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: is okay and when it's not. Because he's going off
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, it's just like he's essentially saying that,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: like you know, whether or not something is right or
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: wrong is purely based on preferences. And Andrew was challenging
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: that by saying, well, what about incest.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Between two twin brothers? And then he's like, oh, well, well, you.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Know, we societally understand that that's that's not what if
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: they want it. Well, he's not advocating anything. He's saying,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: this is your your logical thread. I'm taking it to
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: a place where you know, you would be challenged to
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: figure out are you going to stay on principle or
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: are you going to go off the rails.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: And that's what he's doing. He's just holding a.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Mirror up to this guy's standards, and so that's how
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: they get to this subject.
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: So let's play some more of your hypothetical and seeing that.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, when you're dealing with these people that
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: like essentially the guy on the right, the male feminists, Okay,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: they all they have, and this is something that I've
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: been talking about for a long time.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: All they have is rhetoric. It's all ratort, it's all juggling.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: And magic tricks and word games and bullshit. And if
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: you basically just boil it down and say, no, what's
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: going on here? Let me make you look at this.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Now you have to answer for this, then you expose them.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: And that's what he's doing. That's what that's what we
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: did with, you know, like so many other fucking feminist
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: comedies that come on our show, and they try to
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: play these fucking shell games like oh.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Well, what does this word mean and what is that?
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: It's like, no, you're full of shit, and I'm gonna
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: show you, and that's what's happening. And yeah, maybe it's autistic,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: but maybe it has to be. Maybe that's the only
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: way you're gonna be able to demolish these fucking people.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: But anyway, I don't.
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: Think that would be born I don't think that would
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: be born out in reality. I don't think that incest No,
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: that it would be good.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: How well, wait, what do you mean?
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: You're saying that if the satisfaction rates were in those
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: incestuous relationships were through the roof, then would you want
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: would you think that would be a fine thing? I
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: was contesting that I don't think that would ever be
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: born out in reality. So in the.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Hypothetic Okay, So what he's doing is he's using these
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: extreme analogies to things that are very undesirable in order
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to ask him, is you know, if if this creates
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a like if they enjoy themselves, how do you argue
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: against it? If your if your argument is that enjoying
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: yourself is the only metric? Is that what I'm getting
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: is that, yeah, something like that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: And then and the feminist guy is saying, yeah, but
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, like nobody does it. Like he's basically saying
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: it's an extreme case therefore, and it's like no, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: but your logic, it's like that you can't just say
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: this doesn't happen enough. What you have to say is
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: this is either good or bad?
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: And why right?
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: And so like a lot of these people, they don't
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: want to, you know, make a qualitative statement about it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: Hypothetical why reality? Do you think that incestuous couples there
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: would be children who would be happy with that?
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Well, by I think by your metric, yes, there would
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: be no.
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean we can look at that, we can
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: look at the already yeah presented data, okay, of of
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: heterosexual clumsy and I think.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: If you had, by the way, an incestuous lobby. They say, way,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: you have a gay lobby who paid for all the
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: same fucking studies that showed the outcomes that I can
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: have a massive publishing bias as well for basically any
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: data that I wanted.
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: Making an unfalsifiable claim that we're.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: No, He's right. This is the same thing with the feminists.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: They quote themselves and then they say it's writ and
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: and that's how they make their arguments. And now you
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: have to be like, well, well, yeah, because your people
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: made the studies, Your people come up with the data,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: and it just so happens to support what you believe. Oh, Congress,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: what a what a shocker. The feminist academics, they all
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: came up. It's a merry cost study.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Where it does?
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Why is it mainstream? Why is it in the military,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Why is it being used in our in our university campuses.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Well because it came out of academia. Well what's academia? Well,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: it's all run by feminists and they all agree. How
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: about that peer reviewed, the consensus, et cetera. This is
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: exactly what he's saying. You could basically form a lobby
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: around anything and justify it, right, yep, So like this
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: is like, yeah, go ahead.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm interrupting your aunt a bit, but I want
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to go.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: And I basically made my point is essentially that this
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: guy hasn't a leg to stand on because he's going. Well,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: if you look at studies, yeah, studies conducted by people
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: who support this, these conclusions of narrative.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these conclusions, Like you look at merry costs. She
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: literally says, we we shouldn't consider it grape rape because
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the law doesn't consider it rape. Well, how about she
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: changed the law?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Right, they appeal to the thing that they've created, Like
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I changed the laws. Oh, we have to. It looks
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: like we have to follow the law. Sorry, guys, it's
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: out of my hands. I'm not a lawyer. I just
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: changed it through academia over period of time.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I just changed it through policy. But I mean, and
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and here's the other thing, Like feminists certainly could change
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the law when it came to recognizing, for example, other
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: forms of coercion as rape for when it happened, when
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: it happens to women, you know, like having a drink
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: at dinner that's rape, you know that kind of thing.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: The mystery method, Oh, you weren't there for that when
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: we me and I think, Hannah and Karen went through
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the Mystery Method. Mystery Method. Mystery was a pickup artist.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: He invented things like or suggested things like peacocking. And
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: one of the methods that he used in when men are,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you know, in a sexual relationship with women is to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: if she gives you a no or if it's what's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: called last minute resistance. He advocated for the man to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: de escalate completely. So if she gives you last minute resistance,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: get off, off, get off the couch, Go make a sandwich,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: get off the couch, strama guitar, get off the couch,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: put on some new music, do anything, but continue with
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: what you're doing that like the sexual activity that you're
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: engaging in. And we read a feminist paper that this
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: is problematic, and it's problematic because he could be using
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: women's biology against them because when he does this, he's
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: encouraging women to desire him, and by desiring him, he's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: manipulating them into sex.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: I shit you not, I believe it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: There was a feminist paper arguing that men making themselves
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: desirable to women, and my camera just screwed the hell up.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Oh you got a requestion let me let me play
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: some more of the video while you're fixing that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's it.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: I'll give you account.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Of here's here's the claim. The claim is most LGBTQ
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: and trance studies are funded by gay groups and gay
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: adjacent groups, and that's who they're funded by. That is
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: the truth.
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: Sure, And I look, I don't I have not looked
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: into who funds every single but I mean, that's that's
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: so much publishing past fine conditional.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: In fact, one of the big conditional points for the
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: left is that that's okay though, especially in the trans community,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: it's okay that mostly it's trans advocate organizations who are
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: paying for these studies. Well, nobody, I just want to get.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Rid of that. That awful. Still, okay, there we go,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: all right, all right.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: They didn't And it's like it totally ignores the bias
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: which would go into people who wanted those results.
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: Andrew what I think instead you should do instead of
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: merely saying that these studies are bs because of the
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: organization that are funding them, just point out what's wrong
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: with the research.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Yet, well, the other thing I do often so then
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: the first part, like trans research, when we're talking about
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: brain studies. I can point all of that out. Okay,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: when we're talking about incest studies though, this isn't even
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: a thing which is willing to be studied, right, mostly
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: because men like me are like, fuck, no, no way,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: it's unbelievably fucking disgusting, right, we intuitively are against it.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: But for you the outcomes guy, Right, you shouldn't really
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: have any issues whatsoever. If there actually is an outcome
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: which is preferable.
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: Well, Andrew, you would be, for one, you have to
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: be putting people directly in harm's way and saying you
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: have to have like an incestuous relationship.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: There just already existing, if it already.
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: Exists, yeah, you should study I mean, if they already exist.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. So if the evidence shows that it is
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: the case that incestuous relationships by two willing partners, and
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: by the way, incests, there are incest groups which do
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: advocate for these fucking things, not kidding, right, and make
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: the affirmative claim that they're happy. It's an unfalsifiable I
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: think they're wrong. You think they're wrong that they're happy.
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: I think they're wrong that generally in these types of
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: relationships that it does lead to the best outcome for
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: the family.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: So this is important. That's why I'm playing all this preamble.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: So you see how we got here. So this is
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: a discussion about the outcomes. Guy who says, well, look,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: if people are happy, then let him do whatever and that,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: and so he is going to use sexual assaults to
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: make the case. Well, if there are enough people who
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: enjoy it, then there could be a lobby group for it, right,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing that this feminist is so upset about,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: or the feminists online.
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: So that's all I'm saying.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, let me ask you this. If they just
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: wanted to have that relationship and they just wanted to.
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: Have it without without without children or something like that,
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: I think there's I mean, the ethics of incest is
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: an interesting.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Philosophy, or what's the problem.
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: What's the problem with it? If they want to engage
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: in consensual actiom, I think it is strange and strange.
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: Here's the thing though, Andrew, Well I don't it's strange, and.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: Andrew.
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: Here's the problem is if we go through for example,
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: I just took a bioethics course and we were talking
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: about the ethics of incest and the fact that It
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: is really hard to pin down the exact wrong of
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: incest when looking at it directly. If you remove the
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: genetic factors, if you remove a lot of the familial factors.
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: The problem is, I'm not going to get into an
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: argument where I'm defending incest on multiple times. No, I
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: didn't defend multiple I did not defend incest because I said,
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: that's not the case. It will not be good for
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: these people.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: So to the reason, we sidelined, and I'm not going
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: to let you kind of like evade the point back
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: to the idea of samples size. This is what we're
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: actually talking about, which led to this, Why is it
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: again that you think that if it is the case
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: that when people get married virgins, right, they report that
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: largest amount of happiness and their relationship stay together basically
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: more than almost any other demographic. By the way, it's
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: fucking insane. Why is it that you would not want
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: to advocate for that in society even if you didn't
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: make laws, but you just made social advocation towards it.
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: I'm also not advocating in favor of like insane hookup culture.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: What's my question?
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: Do I think it's fine absolutely advocate so.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: So what if what if we had government policy different?
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Hang on, continue, Well, I don't understand. Don't you want
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: government policy which says that being LGBTQ is okay.
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: Government policy which permits people.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: To exercut flags in the White House?
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: I don't really care about that. I think that's I think.
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: I think I don't really care what the flags?
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: How about this?
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: How about this? Don't you want feminist government policy? Don't
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: you want merry costs defining great rape in order to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: promote feminist conjecture about reality? Like I'm sure that this
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: guy is a feminist, right, don't you want to keep that?
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Don't you want that? I mean you probably if I
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: asked you, would.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: You say no marriage?
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: He probably he would probably say it was like foregne,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Well we are like like it's sort of like.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: A no brainer. Yeah, but but yeah, I take what you're.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: Saying, Ryle A bunch of people.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: What would actually be the problem. There's no law which
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: is restricting anything but the government right in state organizations
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: in the top down right promoted instead that people with
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: low body counts and who are not promiscuous tended to
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: report much higher happiness levels and their marriages stay together better.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: And for the health of the nation, they'd prefer to
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: move a population towards that. What would be wrong with that?
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: I don't think there would necessarily be anything wrong. That's
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: what I advocate for it, And I'm not fully against that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: I'm just who is feminists?
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: They're not, yes, entirely against it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Which which feminist organization?
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: The problem with this?
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: What?
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Well, so he is defending he is defending feminism.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: Here, the feminist guy. Yeah, yeah, course, yeah yeah.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: So basically what he's saying, this is the this is
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the the male feminist uses like what he says, like
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: prep like outcomes, like statistical outcomes to.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Validate his position.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: And Andrew is saying, well, if we have data that shows
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: that people who you know, have are not sexually promiscuous,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: have the highest rates of staying together in a family
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: and all that, why wouldn't they promote that. He's basically saying, well,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: you know, I think it's okay, but you know who
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: does oppose it is feminists, right, so now they're getting
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: into it.
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: They're saying that individuals advocating for that as a good
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: lifestyle because it works for them and working for that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: What did I say, you say, my position.
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: Your position is that there should be government funded proper
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: individuals hold on government individuals. Wait, I was talking about
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: the reason that feminist organizations would be against that government
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: style of push. Why it is prescribing onto everyone a
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: type of life style prescription that doesn't work for everyone's
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: saying that you should do this.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Wait, what's the prescription?
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: The prescription is you should wait until sex to have
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: meriage or until you.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Til marriage to have sex, and the outcomes are better.
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: The outcomes can be better for it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: And well, no, for for most everybody, the outcomes are better,
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: at least from the reported dat When you say like
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: certain people, it's like, okay, dude, yeah, I guess you
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: could make the case that, like, grape is bad for
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: certain people for certain people. No, it's only bad for
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: certain people.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: Here like to see that. See this is this is
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: the clip you see. This is why I built up
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: to this.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: This is where the context for the clip that feminists
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: are freaking out over comes from. He's exposing this guy's
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: framework right by changing it to sexual assault, to expose
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: how basically absurd it is to say, oh, it's for
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: certain people when the data shows it's not right.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: The data shows something else.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: There's women you agree you have orgasmed.
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: Essay that has nothing to do with the essay. Bro,
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: that is nothing essay. Are you kidding?
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: Bro?
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: I didn't say whether or not its essay. I said
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: doing essay.
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, what does it have to do with anything?
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Well, Bro, if that's the case, right, then was it
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: bad for them? Yes? Why?
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: Absolutely? Because there are overriding harms and just orgasm. I'm
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: not saying that's not the case.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: You see this guy getting triggered because he's using.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: Rape or sexual assault to make a point. He's not
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: advocating it. He's not advocating it. Do you see Do
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: you guys follow what's happened here? Yeah? You see what
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: he did and this guy's reaction.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Why can't he simply use this, this conjecture, this hypothetical
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: that women hypothetically, there could be a situation hypothetically where
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: women enjoy sexual assault hypothetically, And we have a feminist
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: in the government arguing that male victims should not be
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: in government statistics because men enjoy sexual ass So this
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: guy can't even use a hypothetical around sexual assault. But
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: a feminist can go into the government and make that
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: reality that men enjoy sexual assault, Therefore they don't, they
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: aren't great, they aren't raped by women. This is my
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: this is my overall point. I know what your point is, Brian.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: You're clarifying that this was always a hypothetical. It was
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: a hypothetical on the same line as the Incest Twins,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: except sort of with the incest Twins. He was talking
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: about if they and if they ultimately enjoy it, who's
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: who's to tell them not to do it?
• 49:32
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: If you're if you're if you're living by the pleasure principle,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: and if you're living by the pleasure principle, and there's
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: there's a small subset of people who enjoy sexual assault,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: who's to say, you know who, why should we make
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: laws against it? Hypothetically? I think that's where he's I
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: this is like dynamite. I don't know if I would
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: have gone there, but you know that I think you're
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: right that this is this is like I said, it's
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: a hypothetical. If you're not going to let this guy
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: use hypothetical around potentially like one Woman ever, like the
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: romance novel narrative One Woman Ever, then how can you
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: possibly defend what Mary cost did and that's that's just
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: the context I want to bring.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: But you go ahead, Brian, No, I just say, ultimately,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: what though the original post shared by this woman is
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: that Andrew Wilson is advocating that women don't mind.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: When they're sexually assaulted. And that's not like, no, no,
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: not at all what he's saying.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: But that's what this woman is presenting because she's a
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: lying liar, liar face.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: She's lying because she.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Wants to destroy Andrew Wilson's reputation, so she's misrepresenting him
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: on purpose to make him look like a bad person.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Either that or she's a moron that reacts emotionally to
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: his hypothetical, which is really just him exposing the other
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: guy's arguments, which is essentially to say the other guy
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: that what they're arguing about is is something. Should something
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: be promoted if there is a group of people who
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: say they enjoy it without looking at so basically, if
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: it's all like you said, the pleasure principle, like if
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: if people like, if you get like a group of
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: people and they're all like, dude, incests is totally cool.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: I have incest or whatever. It is.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Pedophilia, which is a thing that people advocate for maps
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: are a thing whatever. Okay, And if this the male
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: feminist side of this is as long as everybody's having fun,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: then there's no problem, right, and Andrew is saying, well,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: then by that logic, you can find a group of women,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: because I think he uses women in this specific example
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: that enjoy sexual assault. Therefore, we can make the argument
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: that sexual assault is okay because it only effect it
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: only harms some women, or there are some women who
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: like it, and this.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Is and you can you can't.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Actually that doesn't mean that, yeah, but that but like,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: of course you can.
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: It is possible. But what I'm saying is is that
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: this is taken.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: It's his way of exposing this guy's poor argumentation, is
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: poor logic, and that's what the what the feminist woman
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: is doing is running with it like Andrew's the one
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: that's saying it. What's actually happening is that Andrew's exposing
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: this guy's standards of logical inconsistencies.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, because he's he's he's gittering, he's he's
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: advocating based on a pleasure principle. So if more people
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: enjoy their lives, if they stay virgins until marriage, and
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: that's men and women, not just women. Then why not
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: advocate that as a lifestyle choice? No, why not throw
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: virgin pride per heades? Why not set aside days to
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: celebrate virginity? Why not use municipal funds to do virgin
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: stripes on like crosswalks. I don't know what that would
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: look like. You know, why not do that kind of thing?
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: You don't have to like mandate it in law, but
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: you could celebrate it. You could make it in a
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: attractive proposition. You could romanticize it.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, I don't. I don't think he's actually.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Of people merely holding hands ludely. You know, the kissing
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: is only for marriage. I'm being a little bit facetious.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: But you know, there's more than just like policy like saying, okay,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: we're not going to actively persecute people who are gay, right,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: There's more going on. There is a lot of celebration
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and promotion going on, right, and a lot of determining
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the narrative, like saying that people who are LGBT get
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: special protections that they can they have words and and
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: people can't say those words to them, even if they
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: do have their own slurs. Like brainer for people who
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: are not LGBT. You know, it's it's like there is
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: advocacy on a policy level, there is advocacy potentially on
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a legal level, and maybe just extend it to the
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the Maybe LGBT needs a V at the end, you know, lesbian, gay, bisexual,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: trans and virgins.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think people want that, Like I don't think
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: people want special treatment in that way. I got a
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: super chat. I should look and see if there was
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: any super childs. I feel like I did not open
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: discord in my browsers.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: So I wasn't even to look and see if this
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: is super Child's here. Just give me a second, Dan.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: De Philippo Philippo five dollars and he is not nearly
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: as smart as he thinks, but he's been doing it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: He's a decent champion for us. Also, Brian, my Christmas
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: time offer of brisket still stands.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, thanks for that.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, not good. Bob thirteen says, you guys are exposing
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: him so well by taking seven freaking minutes to explain
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Andrew's weird comment comparing policies discouraging hooking up with laws
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: against sexual assault. No, because you are missing that he
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: is talking to somebody who is looking at things in
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: terms of a pleasure principle, and he's saying, we shouldn't
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: make laws against something as if a group of people
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: enjoys it, and we shouldn't make laws for something even
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: if most people would enjoy or shouldn't have policies promoting it.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: If most people enjoy it, we shouldn't have policies against it.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: If there's a there's a sub section of people who
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. This this is the principle, and this is
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: this is sort of like this. He's he's exposing the
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: pleasure principle for its inconsistencies when this man applies it.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Because if you applied the pleasure principle to staying a
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: virgin until marriage, then that's what the government should promote
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: and should get rid of all of the subsidies for
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: not doing that. Let's start there, right, that's what you wanted.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: If that's where you're taking, like you're saying, I'm going
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: to follow the pleasure principle, then you follow it consistently
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: to utilitarian generate the most pleasure. In this case, it's
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: everybody stays virgin until marriage, then everybody has the most
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: the most satisfaction with their life, and that's what the
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: government should promote. But then he says, but you know,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: there's people who that doesn't help, who don't want that
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: that that actually that's not what they want. And he's saying, well,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: some people want things that are not very good for them.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Do we make it do we make it a policy
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to allow to take away any kind of condemnation of
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: things that just because a subset of people wants them.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: You know, some people want to be amputated. Should we
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: take have their legs amputated? Should we take away the
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: laws against gross bodily harm if people amputate other people's legs?
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: No?
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: And I mean this is like slightly facetious. Yes, I
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: think that's the point. He's making these really extreme edge
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: cases to try to prove a point about the pleasure
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: principle and it being applied inconsistently here. So no, I
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: don't think you're right, not good Bob. I think you
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: are not a good bob. All right, let's continue.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Oh that's it, I mean, that's I mean, I don't
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: know if you want to listen to more of this,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: but that's basically the clip in context. So you know,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: we know that this Maga cult slayer per Did you
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: want to look at some of the clips that he
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: sent us himself?
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: Sure, we could do that.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to go because it's
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: in your messages, your dms, and i'd have to display
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: the dms.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think that, do you, because the should only
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: be Oh, I see what you're saying. Hmmm, do you
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: want me to open it up?
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: No, it wouldn't matter, Alison, because we'd have to see
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: it on the screen, you know, unless like you want
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: me to put something on top of it in obs,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: which would be like a few minutes because I have
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: to get something and do that.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, I know what you mean. My video is
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: disabled again. I had to fix it another really shitty
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: still sorry, like it's yeah, sorry, I don't know what's
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: going on in this case. I think there's might be
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: a fault in either the socket or in the line,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: but sometimes the OSMO just freezes up. So yeah, no,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I think we've pretty much covered this. I really wanted
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to go into the that pro choice thing, but we
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: might be at.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: The hour, So yeah, I mean, yeah, I know, I
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: know the price, I know that's yeah, that would be
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: like another that could be another show I think.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Anyway, guys, I'll just give you a preview. There's a
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: bunch of there's a there's a group of pro choice,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: like a pro choice organization that put out of what
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I would call a really male negative ad and I
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: wanted to go through it, but we probably don't have
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: enough time today. So yeah, I could look at those clips.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you can just like the messages are
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: just in the corner and you can just open up
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: that one. Like, my messages are pretty weird. I maybe
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: that's a good reason not to do it. I mean,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: not not weird, it's just people send me they're crazy
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Twitter arguments. Yeah, I don't want to get involved in
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: this crazy Twitter. I do get involved in a lot
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: of crazy Twitter arguments, but not this one. Shocker, all right, I.
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: Mean, I just I don't know. It just seems private,
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: That's all I'm just saying.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Says you could have used any argument. That was a
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: strange choice. Yes, I agree. I think it was a
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: strange choice.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: Was to make a point. Though.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: I mean here's another thing too, Like if a woman
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: had made a similar argument, would you also consider that
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: a strange choice, because it seems like when men make
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: arguments like this, people get like really weird about you know,
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: men talking about anything that's remotely sexual, even if it's
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: completely hypothetical. And it's just like a logic based thing,
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: essentially saying, here's your here's your worldview. I'm gonna take
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: this and i'm gonna apply it over here and see
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: how you react, and see if you're consistent, see if
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: you have principles, and they don't because they're like, well,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's cool. Well, but according to your worldview,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: yes it is if enough people support it. That's the
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: purpose of this. It's a it's a thought experiment. If
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: that's all it is, you know, and he failed the thought.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: Experiment, that's all it is.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: And so like the point is is that, I think
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: ultimately what we're talking about here is I think Andrew's
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: trying to make the case that, you know, there is
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: a an.
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: Ethical frame that should be applied, and.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: It's not purely based on harm, because if you only place,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: you know, place it on harm, then you can permit
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: all kinds of things based on a metric that's difficult
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: to measure.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I think, well, let's just assume it's a bad argument. Yeah,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: does it deserve being tarred with this brush?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Does it deserve being lied about?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: He can make as many bad arguments as he can.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, if it was illegal to make bad arguments,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: everybody I argue with would be going to jail because
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: they make terrible arguments. And like, I see how this
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: argument can lead to a lot of confusion. But again,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: he has every right to make a bad argument without
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: being accused of being a rape apologist by somebody who's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: part of an ideology that literally blanket refused to recognize
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: the rape of an entire sex. Yeah, like, that's that's
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: just ridiculous. That's that's insanity. You know, get the log
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: out of your own eye. Feminists kick kick merry costs
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: to the curb, and don't don't don't point fingers at
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: this guy making maybe a clunk hypothetical. But even if
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: it's a bad argument, don't lie about him. Don't make
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: false accusations about what he actually said. Don't do that.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: If you're able to just make a better argument, there's
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: no need to like tar people and try to hie.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Them overly emotional Like I was talking to Karen yesterday
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: or coupled yesterday. Oh my god, was it yesterday? It
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: was yesterday. Time is getting really strange. But yeah, I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: was talking to Karen yesterday about everything is becoming these
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: incredibly emotionally and emotionally judgmental arguments, which in which no
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: actual communication happens. If you think it's a bad argument, fine,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it is a bad argument, but it's not.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: It's not like he's not a bad person. There you go,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: and she's saying this isn't She isn't saying this is
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: a bad argument. She's saying this is a bad person.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Well again, and she's saying it from the platform that
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Mary casses plat. Okay, all right, so that's a I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: think we covered this. Oh wait, h not good Bob thirteen.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: My advice to men, build your relationships on mutual respect.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Don't get caught up in political social theater. Just follow
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: the golden rule. My advice to men, make sure she
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: follows the golden rule. Like, if you're both gonna follow
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the you know, if you're the one, make sure it's
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: not one sided. Make sure that it's not you know,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: expectations for the but not expectations for me. Right, that's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: that's something that I've seen that actually, strangely enough, it's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: something that I think actually works, at least what I've
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: seen in our community. The only thing, like we again
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: I mentioned this a few times, we have had, you know,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: lots and lots, but a fair amount of relationship formation
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: now seven children in the last five years in our community,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: which is not that big. And and all I do
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: is say, you know, guys, just set boundaries with women,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: right If if you're gonna hold yourself to certain moral standards,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: hold her to moral standards too, right, and recognize that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: women are moral monsters every bit as much as men,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: and their choices matter when it comes to their morals.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: They need to choose not to be monstrous. Okay, all right, yeah,
• 1:03:18
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• 1:03:52
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  Speaker 14: Men's Right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 14: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 14: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 14: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 14: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked