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EP047 Angelology Part 3: What the Bible Really Says About ‘Extraterrestrials’ · The Immutable Word

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The point here is that they're called spirits, but they have physical bodies
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because they obviously cohabitate with women in Genesis 6.
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And like I said, in Jude, they're described, and in Peter, they're described
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as leaving their first estate, their first home, their first dwelling,
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which means that maybe they were immortal, okay?
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But then they violate that natural estate that God gave them,
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that supernatural estate. they violated, cohabitated physically with women.
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Because of that violation, Psalms 82, the Bible says, ye shall die like men.
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And so they were obviously destroyed, probably in the flood.
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And the Bible talks about the angels which had sinned and left their first estate
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are now left reserved in chains of darkness.
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Welcome to The Immutable Word. We're back in the garage for another session.
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We are continuing our Angelology series, and this is our third or this is our fourth episode.
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We started back in episode 39, where we introduced Angelology,
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what the Bible really says about their nature and role.
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So if you're now just tuning in and you haven't heard some of the previous podcasts
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about the Angel, part of the Angel series that we've been talking about,
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I do encourage you to go back and maybe listen to those.
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Or you can listen to this one either way. We're going to be covering a little
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bit more advanced and more of a deeper dive.
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So we do have this set up in YouTube as a, what do you call those? Watch, not a watch list.
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It's a playlist. Playlist, yes. Thank you. Words hard.
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And so we're organizing everything there just to make it easier to pull all
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the Angelology podcasts together.
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So episode 39, then we covered it again in episode 41 and episode 42,
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where we actually start digging into what dwells beyond, which is a book that Jeffrey Martis wrote.
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So, we cover chapter 11 in our last episodes, or last two episodes,
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41 and 42, which covered the different classifications of life.
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And chapter 12, we'll be covering angels specifically, but it covers pretty
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much every life form outside of the earth.
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So, I'll probably start with maybe reading part of the first chapter,
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or just to summarize the first chapter, and then we can start rolling into there.
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It says that now we've established that outer space is the second heaven,
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which is chapter 9, which we haven't covered, and the diverse types of life
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forms created by God, which is chapter 11, which we did cover.
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We combine these two studies and begin our search of the scriptures to locate
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extraterrestrial life.
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Since the previous chapter covered all the categories of life in existence,
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it will obviously overlap some of the information presented here.
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This is not done to be unnecessarily redundant, but to focus on the life which
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actually does dwell beyond earth.
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So with that said, there does cover eight, seven or eight.
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We're just going to be focused on angels, and then under angels,
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we're going to go through scripture where it breaks down, I guess,
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the different descriptions of angels.
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So things like heavenly hosts, spirits, stars, men, and so forth.
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So, yeah, we'll start there.
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Yeah, and I just want to mention, you know, we're going through the book, obviously.
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We're reading through the book and not just to be, you know.
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Kind of blatant here, but, you know, we could have put together a good study.
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And I did. I actually started putting down an outline of angelology and a lot of the points.
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And as I was reading through Jeffrey Martis' book, I'm like,
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you know, he's actually got all the bones of it.
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He's got a lot of meat on the bones too. So, and the whole purpose of it that
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we're trying to eventually answer with the angel question is,
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how do we tie what the Bible says about, and in this chapter,
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he says extraterrestrial life,
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meaning life forms that dwell beyond our earth.
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We call it extraterrestrial life, right? And you and I were talking a little bit earlier.
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If you were to go to a ufologist or a person that's not, you know,
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let's just say they're not a Bible-believing Christian.
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Typically, when you say extraterrestrial life, you know, what comes to mind?
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Gray aliens, lizard people. Right. We're talking about monsters in outer space.
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We're talking about war of the worlds.
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That's what the world, their perspective of extraterrestrial life is.
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What I like about this chapter is that, and what I like really about Jeffrey,
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Jeff Martis' writing style, is his approach is he's writing as a Bible-believing,
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dispensational Christian.
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So, he wants to look at it with the mindset that the Bible is the final authority.
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So, what does the Bible describe as extraterrestrial life?
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And so, he does, he covers eight different types of life forms.
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This doesn't, you know, there's seven categories of all life that we covered in chapter 11.
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But in this particular chapter, and like he said, there's some overlap and some
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redundancy, but it's specifically focusing on what we say is extraterrestrial
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life from the Bible's perspective.
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So, and of course we covered angels.
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We did cover kind of an introduction into angels when we first opened this series.
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And because this is angelology, we want to, we're not going to focus on all the eight.
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I just want to focus on two of them, which is number one is angels.
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And then of course, number two, the devil himself. Cause I think.
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It's very important to cover him because he's a counterfeit in so many ways.
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And it's wise to kind of look at what the Bible says about him.
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And I think he'll give us insight.
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And then tie that together into eventually what we're leading up to with this
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series is where do we as Christians and believers stand today in this particular
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culture, in this particular age,
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when it comes to ufos all the legends
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around it all the like how does a bible believer approach the things that we
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see being you know perpetuated in social media and culture in the entertainment
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industry in hollywood how do we interpret that so that's why i think this book
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is such a great you know foundation for us yeah.
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And just as a reminder, episode 35, we did cover UFOs and, you know,
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a Christian's take on it.
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So we do touch on that a little bit when it comes to that culture.
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Yeah, we'll tie it together a little bit more because one of the things that
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Martis does really well is he ties in a lot of that,
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you know, the lost world's mentality, you know, but the root cause of it, I think, is important.
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But we'll get there, you know, but so, so we're going to be a little bit redundant today.
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We're going to cover specifically what the Bible says about angels and he's
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got a pretty good outline.
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Some of it we have covered, but it's worth going over again.
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I think just to reinforce what the Bible says about it.
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The thing that he brings up first is that the heavenly host,
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there's this host of heaven that's described in the Bible in several places, right?
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There's hosts, and there's two different types of hosts.
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One are inorganic dead matter, like the sun, the moon, the stars.
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These are actually planetary objects. So, Deuteronomy 4.19, for example,
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the Bible says, and this is a warning that God's giving to Israel.
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He says, Unless thou lift up thine eyes into heaven, and when thou seest the
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sun, the moon, and the stars, even all the hosts of heaven.
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So he describes the sun, the moon, and the stars, even all the hosts of heaven,
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shouldest be driven to worship them and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath
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divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
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They're driven to worship these planetary objects. Then in 2 Kings 23, 5, he says,
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and he put down the idolatrous priests whom the kings of Judah had ordained
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to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah and the places round
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about Jerusalem and them also that burned incense unto Baal,
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to the sun and to the moon and to the planets and to all the hosts of heaven.
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So the Bible is very clear when he describes host of heaven in these two passages.
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The host of heaven often refer to planetary types of celestial bodies,
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sun, moon, stars, planets, right?
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But this isn't always the case in scripture.
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There's actually in 2 Chronicles 18, 18 and 1 Kings 22, 19, he says this,
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and he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the Lord.
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I saw the Lord sitting on his throne and all the hosts of heaven standing by
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him on his right hand. So obviously the sun, the moon, the stars aren't standing
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around the throne of God.
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These sons of God that we're going to explore, these are angels.
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Some of these hosts of heaven, most of these hosts of heaven that are described
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in the passage we just read are angels.
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So, but here you have life in the third heaven.
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And if there are beings that exist that are more advanced and more intelligent
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than man, then obviously the Bible is going to tell us who they are.
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So, again, what follows is we're going to go through kind of a summary of that
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life, but specifically we're going to look at two of them. He lists eight in here.
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So, things like cherubim, seraphim, celestial horses, you know, the 24 elders.
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Those are very interesting topics, and we could spend an entire podcast on just each one of them.
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So, but to stay consistent with the theme, angelology, we're going to focus
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on angels. And this is what Jeffrey Martis, this chapter 12 is really his root
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chapter for the entire book.
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This is what actually dwells beyond according to the Bible.
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And again, as Bible believers look, I already know there's probably people,
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there's some people that are probably eating this up. They love it.
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I know I'm one of those kind of guys, man.
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I can study this stuff all day long.
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I would rather study this than, you know, how to strengthen my marriage.
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And I'm embarrassed to say that, you know what I mean? Because,
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I mean, obviously, I need to, you know, no amount of learning about angels is
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going to fix my marriage.
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But the point is, is that these are things that are very interesting and it's in the Bible.
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So if it's in the Bible, it's worth discussing, right? I mean,
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it's all over the Bible. So. Angels is mentioned. A lot.
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Yeah. There is a lot of information. A lot of information on angels in general.
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I mean, just the number of references throughout the entire Bible.
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I mean, it's got something to say about it. It must be important.
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Yeah. Like you said, there's 297 references to angels, period.
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297 times he mentions angels. So, most of these angels are angels of God in
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heaven. But there's an undisclosed number that are servants of the devil are associated with him.
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So the angels of Satan, they're usually called fallen angels or reference to fallen angels.
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And even though the Bible never uses that term, we coin that term.
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We kind of associate when we say fallen angels.
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Because these are obviously angels that are no longer part of the heavenly host.
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They're not part of the worship of God.
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They are now serving the devil to some aspect or some detail.
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Okay. So, in this study, what we're going to do is look at what they're called,
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and then maybe some additional information on some of these titles we look at.
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There's also some sub-details that we'll kind of cover.
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So, number one, the most obvious name of these angels are called the Heavenly Host.
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We see that in Luke chapter 2 with the birth of Christ.
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We see that Psalms 148.2, Nehemiah 9.6, they're called the Heavenly Host.
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And so it doesn't refer to all the host of heaven, as we mentioned earlier,
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but in more specific context, it refers to the angels, both good and evil.
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And Satan and his angels, they have access to the third heaven,
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but they lose it in the future.
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This is another, I think this is a misnomer that some believers have is that when Satan fell,
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you know, when he rebelled against God, he was permanently kicked out of heaven.
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That doesn't happen until Revelation 12.
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So, when you read Revelation 12, that's during the tribulation.
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It's not until the tribulation where that access is completely driven off.
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So, when you read Job chapter 1 and Job chapter 2, who walks right into the throne room of God?
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The devil. And he presents himself. And he even asks him.
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You know, God asked him. He said, hey, where have you been? Oh,
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roaming to and from and in and out of the earth.
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Why is that view popular then that people think that?
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Dante's Inferno. You know, they'll think of, oh, he was cast down from heaven
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and now he's quote unquote ruling in hell. The Bible never gives us that.
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The Bible never gives us that conclusion. It doesn't refer to him ruling in hell.
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He's not over hell. He's not the king of hell.
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So that's something that people need to understand, that the devil is actively
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involved in this stratosphere, in this hemisphere, in the second heaven, in the first heaven.
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The first heaven, you know, simple description is, the first heaven is where
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the birds fly. That's what's described in the Bible.
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Second heaven is where your sun, the moon, and the stars are.
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The Bible describes him in Ephesians chapter 6 as spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Now, high places, when you run that term through the Bible, is always connected
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to some kind of idolatrous worship, especially in the Old Testament.
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High places, but spiritual wickedness of the air.
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He's also called the prince of the power of the air. So there's an association
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with the air when it comes down to Satan, it's in the second heaven.
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That's where he operates.
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So he's not on a throne sitting in hell with a big giant spear and a pitchfork.
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That's all mythology, right? That's Hollywood stuff.
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So people learn your Bible. Anyway, so obviously the access to the third heaven
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is going to be cut off in the future.
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So until that time, the devil and the angels are also known as the heavenly
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host because of where they operate in that second heaven.
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So heavenly host, that's one of the names of angels.
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The second term that describes them is spirits.
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Now, remember we talked about people, they get confused with angels being just
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messengers, but they're also called spirits.
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So this title, you see it in Hebrews 1.7 and Psalms 104.4, and it reveals that
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angels are spirit beings.
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Now, don't misread that. Don't misunderstand that. This isn't to imply that
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angels are spirits only, but they are spirit beings.
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They're just like their creator. They have, you know, their tripartite in the
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fact that, you know, they're having a spirit, a soul, a physical body.
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Their physical body is immortal. It's not a natural body like a fallen man,
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but it's a supernatural body, right?
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Spiritually, we see that 1 Corinthians 15, 44 talks about heavenly bodies, basically.
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And then with the powers of flight, invisibility, super strength at all.
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Now, I know we did mention that the only thing that can be redeemed is something that has a soul.
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You know, so I know that Martis says that they have a soul. I don't know.
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I'd have to, we'd have to study that out further. Angels?
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Yeah. But they do have a physical body. We know that for sure.
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Because the Bible describes in Jude that they leave their first estate.
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You're saying that they don't have a soul? I don't know.
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Okay. What I'm saying is, I don't, I can't recall a place in scripture that
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describes them as having a soul.
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Yeah, the only thing that describes anybody having soul is man. Right.
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The soul of man. Which one can conclude that they're the only ones that can
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be redeemable. Yeah. I mean, we see that angels have desires.
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Obviously, they can think and reason.
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Very similar. So, it's possible they have a soul because they have a lot of
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the same functions that a human does, but they're on a supernatural level.
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So, I don't know. I can't say conclusively. Let's just put it that way.
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I, you know, it's, you know, it's plausible, but is it a dogmatic fact?
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I don't know. And I'm not going to say it's a dogmatic fact.
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I would encourage anybody like, Hey, if you're studying it, when you're reading
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through your Bible, if you see some kind of indication that this,
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you know, says they have a soul, then, you know, mark it down, let us know.
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Yeah. I'd be really interested to hear about that. So, but the point here is
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that they're, they're called spirits, but they have physical bodies because
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they obviously cohabitate with women in Genesis 6.
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And like I said, in Jude, they're described, and in Peter, they're described
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as leaving their first estate, their first home, their first dwelling, right?
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So, which means that maybe they were immortal, right?
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But then they violate that natural estate that God gave them,
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that supernatural estate.
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They violate it, cohabitated physically with women.
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Because of that violation, Psalms 82, the Bible says, ye shall die like men.
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And so they were obviously destroyed, probably in the flood.
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And the Bible talks about the angels which had sinned and left their first estate
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are now left reserved in chains of darkness, okay?
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So, there's a lot of theories around that. There's another book that Joseph
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Dumas wrote, and he talks about the giants and stuff under the earth.
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It's a really good book too. He's another Bible believer.
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But he has an interesting kind of take on it, and he kind of posits that it
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was possibly four specific angels that were part of the Genesis six sin.
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The reason why he says that is because when you go through scripture and you
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look at the sons of the giant and when the giants are named,
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there's like four specific names. I think it's four or five.
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I can't remember what it is, but there's specific names given to the father
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or progenitor of these giants.
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So he thinks those might
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be the four angels that are chained in darkness and are released during the
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tribulation in the river euphrates interesting there's there's a tie in there
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but i don't want to deviate from my lesson so i'm just telling you that another
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there's a lot of things in scripture i was just talking to a brother tonight.
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That a lot of times when we look at these things, there's things that aren't
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going to be fully understood to us.
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All we can do is go through like an investigative process. We can look and see
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what the scriptures do say.
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And if we accept it for what it says, we can draw conclusions based off of that. Okay.
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These conclusions are probabilistic. They're not certainty.
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They're probabilistic, meaning that these are probably true, okay?
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Because of, and you know how you strengthen those types of inductive arguments? More evidence.
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That's it. The more evidence you build on top of your premises,
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your conclusion is stronger.
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So, this is what I would say to Bible believers.
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When you study your scripture, write down, like, these are things that,
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man, you may not get through a single reading in your Bible. There's no way.
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It may take dozens of times of going through your Bible.
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Maybe you have a notebook and you call it my angel notebook, right?
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And every time you're reading your Bible and something stands out that has to
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do with angels, jot it down.
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What is this passage telling me? What's the context of this passage? What's the background?
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And I'm just telling you, this is just to help people in their Bible study.
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As you build on that type of foundation, it's going to be a very scriptural
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foundation, and all of your conclusions are going to be based off of scriptural
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evidence that you've recorded as you read your Bible.
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You know what I mean? Because if you go to a commentary and I'm not saying don't,
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you know, ignore commentaries, you're going to have a lot of commentaries out
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there that are not Bible believing commentaries.
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They do not presuppose the scripture to be absolutely 100% errant in their hand.
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Because in their mind, it might be like only the originals were inspired, for example.
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Well, the problem is, is you're going to draw a humanistic conclusion and it could lead you astray.
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So that's why I say the best study is the reading and the study of the Bible
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itself. And scripture was scripture. Yeah.
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One brother said this, and I was talking to another missionary today about this,
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and I think it's worded perfectly. He said this.
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He said that, you know how people argue about interpretation?
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Yeah. And they go, well, how do you know your interpretation is right?
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He said this, this is the way he succinctly said it. And I thought it was excellent.
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He says, the right interpretation is the one that allows God's word to interpret
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itself and be based solely upon scriptural evidence.
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Think about that. The right interpretation is the one that allows the Bible
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to interpret itself and solely relies on scriptural evidence. That's a great answer.
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Yeah, I mean, what it's covering, basically saying you're not putting your own
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opinion into Scripture to come to a different conclusion.
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It says what it says. Yeah, and so essentially he's saying that if you read
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a passage and I read a passage and I say, well, I think this is what it means,
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and you say you think that's what it means,
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the right interpretation is the one that Scripture interprets.
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The one that says, okay, so if I define, for example, sons of God,
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and I go, oh, sons of God, and we're going to talk about it in just a minute.
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Oh, sons of God just means angels.
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That violates scripture interpreting scripture. Because sons of God are not just angels.
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They refer to other. We're called sons of God in John chapter 1. You see what I mean?
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So, the right interpretation is the one that allows God's word to interpret itself.
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The preponderance of scripture. Yeah. So, if your interpretation does not allow
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the Bible to interpret itself, it's the wrong interpretation.
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That's the point. So, if I say, you know, God's not a trinity,
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okay? That's your interpretation.
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But does that allow the Bible to interpret itself? Or am I forcing my definition
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on that term? You see what I'm saying?
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So, that's why I love the way that's stated. Because everybody will say,
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well, how do I know what's the right interpretation? Is it the Baptists?
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Is it the Presbyterians?
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Is it the Reform guys? Is it the Calvinists? It's real simple.
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Whichever interpretation allows God's words to interpret itself is the right
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one. Well, why is that true?
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Because that's the biblical hermeneutic.
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That's 1 Corinthians 2, verse 13, right?
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Comparing spiritual with spiritual. That's rightly dividing the word of truth.
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That's a biblical hermeneutic.
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That's God's own prescribed method of studying the Bible.
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It's not a man-invented hermeneutic. So that's why I love that term.
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I would say, listen, you ought to write that in your Bible.
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The correct interpretation, how do I know which interpretation is correct?
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Whichever interpretation allows the Bible to interpret itself.
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And all the script, all the evidence is scriptural are scriptural passages, basically.
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So whenever I look at any evidence, it's going to be based off of what does scripture say?
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I was thinking about that today in my reading, remember they came to Jesus and
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they were asking about, oh, divorce.
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Say, can a man divorce, you know, a woman for any reason?
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Basically I'm paraphrasing it. And you know what Jesus said?
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He goes, what does Moses say?
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I thought it was brilliant. Jesus said, okay, I'll play along with you. What does the Bible say?
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That's essentially what he's saying. What does scripture say?
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And that's amazing because that's the same thing that Abraham said to the rich man in hell.
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Rich man in hell says, man, if somebody just came from the dead and warned my
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brothers, they wouldn't come here.
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He goes, they have Moses in the law. They have scripture.
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That is all sufficient for what any person on earth needs is the word of God.
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It's amazing testimony. Anyway, so how did we get there from spirits? I don't know.
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Let's get back on track. So that's number two. So number one is they're called
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the heavenly host. Number two, they're called spirits. Number three, they're called stars.
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I think it's really interesting because this one I hear different Bible believers,
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you know, misinterpret and misdefine.
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But if you look at Revelation 1.20, which are the stars that are in the hands
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of Jesus Christ, seven stars, and he says they're the stars of those churches.
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Revelation 6.13, Revelation 9.1, Revelation 12.4, Daniel 8.10-11.
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Stars can refer to an actual planet, right? Or whatever, a planetary system.
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But they can also refer to an angel.
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So, here's a trick question. How do you know? How would you know if it's referring
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to a planet or it's referring to an angel?
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It's the big C word.
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Context. Yeah, I was going to say scripture. Yeah, but context.
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I always laugh when I talk to people about that. They're like,
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Brother Gammus, how do I know what this is talking about? Context. Just read it.
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Context will define, we have to do this one day, but I was doing an answer Q&A
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session with somebody and they were saying like, hey, why can't I go to a lexicon?
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Why can't I read the definition of a Greek word to get the meaning of it to
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help me understand the passage.
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And I always tell them, I said, because the danger of going to a single Greek
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word or going to the Greek or the Hebrew to define words is that you're ripping
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it out of context. And you may accept a definition that violates the context.
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The first rule is what is the context? The context will define the word.
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So, how do we know it's an angel or a planet? The context.
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Is this what you're alluding to where people don't understand or misinterpret
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or misread what stars are in the Bible. Right.
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They assume that it's a, and the biggest one is, you know, like for example,
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it talks about a star, the star of Jacob, or it talks about the star that followed
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Christ and Joseph, or followed the shepherds and led them to Jesus Christ.
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So people assume, oh, that was a star, that was an actual planet.
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Matter of fact, I've heard Bible believers, I say Bible believers,
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I say that tongue in cheek, but like creationists, young earth creationist and
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they will have entire books on the astrological fact that you know in astronomy
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there was an actual star that appeared and they'll try to map out when that
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star existed in the universe and so forth and so on and
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But they're trying to make it a planet and ignore the fact that it was an actual
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angel that was guiding them. That seems like a real stretch.
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Well, in their case, it is. I mean, obviously it is.
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But Job 38.7, the Bible says the stars sang together at the creation.
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So if they're seeing in the creation, that's before the stars of heaven.
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So the actual planetary object, right? It says when the foundation of the earth was laid.
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So from this, we can know the angels were here before the earth was created.
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Celestial stars and angels have several things in common. So number one,
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they're both innumerable.
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Bible describes that. It talks about like in Hebrews 12, 22,
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and he says the innumerable company of angels. That means you can't number them.
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So that means we don't know how many angels there are.
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B, or number two, both can radiate light. So Genesis 1.14-17,
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Psalms 1.48-3, Luke 2.9, Acts 12.7, Acts 10.30.
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Then number three, both have names. So Psalm 1.47-4, Jude 1.9,
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Luke 1.19, Revelation 9.11.
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So there's names that you read about, like in the book of Job,
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for example, it describes celestial bodies.
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I can't remember the name of them right off the top of my head. but there's
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also he names every star bible describes
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that and of course we know that angels some angels have
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names like gabriel michael and so forth and so on
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both oh by the way let me say this just as a kind of a side note if you get
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into these extra canonical works like the book of enoch the apocrypha the pseudo
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epigrapha books you are going to see here like like the catholics You know,
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they'll have all kinds of different names like Raphael and stuff like that.
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Those are not written names in the scripture.
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Those are outside of the word of God.
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People try to argue that the book of Enoch is scripture, but guess what?
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You know how you know it's not scripture?
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It's not in the 66 books of the canon that God put together.
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Anyway, so here's the thing.
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So they have names, the names that we know of. The only two angels that we know
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of that have names is Gabriel and Michael. That's it.
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We hear one called the Prince of Persia in the book of Daniel,
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but we don't know his name.
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Because Michael in that same chapter is described as the prince of thy people of Israel.
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So he's actually the prince that represents Israel.
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Just like the prince of Persia. Right. Exactly.
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So both have names, both occupy the heavens, both second or third heaven.
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So when the heathen and Israel were driven to worship the host of heaven,
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they often use the symbol of a star to represent their false god.
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You see that in Amos 5.26 and Acts 7.43, it talks about a star to their God.
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And also in his book, in Martis' book, he covers this in chapter 16.
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But likewise, when the first stars come to earth, both they and their offspring become famous.
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The scriptures say mighty men, men of renown, John Genesis 6.4.
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Because of this precedence, modern vernacular many times labels famous or high-profile
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individuals with the same title. What do they call them? Stars.
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Movie stars. Or Hollywood stars.
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Interesting enough. That is really interesting. And so then,
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of course, we know that they're called heavenly hosts, they're called spirits,
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they're called stars, and they're also called men.
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This is, again, where more confusion around these angels come up.
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Because they're described as men. That means innocuous.
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Once again, they don't have any wings. Yeah, they're not obvious.
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You don't see this bright shining halo or wings on them. You don't see that, right?
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So a careful study of scripture is going to reveal that angels look exactly like human men.
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They're often misidentified as being such. As a matter of fact,
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it's common practice that you find in scriptures where you see the use of the
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word men or man as a substitute for angel.
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So, for example, the angels who appeared to Lot both appeared to be men,
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Genesis 19, 1 through 16.
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They're just described as men. Nothing special about them.
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The angel which appeared to Manoah and his wife, which was Samson's parents,
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appeared as a man in Judges 3, 13, verses 2 through 21.
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And then the angel who appeared to Balaam appeared as a man,
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Numbers chapter 22, verses 22 through 35.
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And then the angel who appeared to Hagar looked like a man, Genesis 16, 7 through 8.
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And the angel who appeared to Gideon looked like a man, Judges 6,
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11 through 21. and the angel who appeared to Cornelius appeared to be a man in Acts 10, verses 2-4.
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The angel that was sent to destroy Israel looked like a man, 1 Chronicles 21-16.
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The angels which rolled back the stone at the sepulcher of Christ both appeared
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to be men, Matthew 28, 2-6, Mark 16, 2-7, Luke 24, 2-4, and verse 23 of Luke 24.
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The angel Gabriel appears as a man, Luke 1, verses 11-38.
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The angel who loosed Peter from prison appeared as a man, Acts 12, verses 6-10.
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Michael the archangel appears as a man in Jude 1, 9 and Revelation 12, 7.
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The angel that binds the devil and casts him into the bottomless pit is described
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and pictured as a man, Revelation 20, verses 1-3.
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So, the appearance of angels and men match so closely, the Bible even warns
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us that we may even encounter angels without even realizing it.
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In Hebrews 13, 2, it says, Be not forgetful to entertain strangers,
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for thereby have some entertained angels unaware.
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How do you entertain an angel and not be aware of it if they have big old giant wings?
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It might be an obvious giveaway. Right. But it makes you think that it's not relegated to time.
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So, we could still be entertaining angels and awareness today.
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And we kind of covered that when we started first talking about angels.
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And it gets really fascinating because there's some interesting stories around that.
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Yeah, there's obviously, I mean, is it possible that we can be entertaining?
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Yeah, because the Bible says it here in Hebrews 13.
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Here's what I would caution people is don't assume every time something happens,
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they're going to attribute it to an angel.
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I've heard that way too many times. And this is where you've got to really temper
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your experiences with the Word of God.
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So, for example, if you were to come across, let's just say,
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and this has happened to me as far as in testimony.
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I'm talking to other people, asking them to give me a testimony of their salvation.
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I was like, oh, an angel saved me from a burning building. Or an angel saved
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me from drowning. An angel did this or that.
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And then you get to talking to some of these individuals, especially when we're
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talking about ufology and aliens, and you start to ask them,
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these supposed angels, start to ask them theological questions.
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Is there a God? No, there's no God.
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Is Jesus Christ the way to heaven? No, there are many ways to heaven.
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You are one way to heaven.
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You are just an advanced life. I mean, there's obviously, we've read enough
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of this alien folklore to see that they deviate from what the scripture says.
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So, the Bible says in Isaiah chapter 8, verse 20, if they speak not according
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to this word, it's because there's no light in them.
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So, that's the way you measure it. If you think you're talking to a heavenly
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angel and that heavenly angel starts giving you information that's contrary
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to scripture, you better get away from them as fast as possible.
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As the Bible say about an angel preaching a different gospel.
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Right. And when we get to the devil, when we do the study on the devil on the
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next podcast, we'll go into that.
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Yeah. Because he's a counterfeit. And the Bible says his ministers are angels of light.
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So, anyway, we'll cover a lot of that when we get there.
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On the other side of it, it's just worth mentioning that there's been occasions
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where, you know, they weren't being told anything.
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You know, there's stories about missionaries getting through really difficult,
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life-threatening circumstances, and you had men that were just there protecting them.
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Right. And so, there are instances of that in the present day.
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Well, we just had one brother to Papua New Guinea, and he was telling the story
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how, you know, there was one building,
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there was their compound, they had several buildings on the compound,
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it's medical missionaries, and they had a lot of medical set up,
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and there was some people, I think that they had helped or they had associated
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with from another nearby village that had wore masks,
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and they were threatening this compound, and they attacked the compound.
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The women were protected they kept the women they pulled the women into one of the buildings.
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And for some miraculous reason they said that those
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guys those Papua New Guineans that were attacking them never touched
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that building where all the women were at and eventually years later one of
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the guys that was part of that attempt to rob the buildings and attack the people
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at the compound ended up getting saved and he told the story they asked him
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they go why didn't you attack that building.
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He said he was surrounded by very large white people, people all dressed in
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white, and they were protected.
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So, we thought that you had hired bodyguards to protect that.
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And so, anyway, that's just an example of, obviously, the Lord was using that
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in some form, and they weren't telling a message, they weren't contradicting
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the Bible, right? They were just there.
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But this Hebrews 13, too, kind of gives us evidence that that could be very
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possible, That those angels were indeed, you know, protecting those women.
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So, we've heard stories, a lot of those stories like that. So...
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Mardis writes, he goes, an angel that visits earth, whether good or evil,
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would simply appear as a human man with supernatural human powers.
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So, super strength, power of flight, the power to control certain elements like
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water, fire, wind, invisibility, telekinesis.
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Those are powers because they, like, for example, Joseph was sleeping and an
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angel was talking to him in his dream.
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See what I'm saying? That's telekinesis.
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And then the member of the Bible talked about the pool, I think it was Bethesda.
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Is that the pool? Where the Bible says an angel would stir the water,
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and then somebody would step in there and they'd be healed during that time.
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So, obviously, they have this ability to interact with the elements here on
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Earth. It's interesting.
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I think you might be thinking about telepathy for the mind reading.
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Yeah, telekinesis is moving things through your mind, right?
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Yeah, which is equally interesting.
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And then all of these, you can read minds.
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Anyway, all of these, you know, angelic abilities and more are found in the
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scriptures. So the Bible has no female angels.
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That's why they're called men. No angel is ever depicted as having white feathery wings.
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Wings are useless when flying through outer space anyway.
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I mean, people realize that.
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Surprisingly winged female creatures are identified
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with wickedness specifically that phrase with wicked with wickedness they're
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not the angels of god and you see that in zachariah chapter 5 verses 7 through
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9 if an angel had wings it would be impossible to mistake it for a human being
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you wouldn't entertain them unaware.
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So, they're hosts, they're, so we know they're hosts, they're spirits,
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they're stars, and they're men. They're described as men in the Bible.
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Then, number five, they are called the sons of God. So, we talked about that a little bit earlier.
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But in Job 1.6, Job 2.1, Job 38.7, Genesis 6.2-4.
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So, the final alternate name for angels and the most controversial is that of sons of God.
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So whether it's controversial or not, however, the Word of God reveals that
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born-again Christians is not the only Son of God found in the Bible.
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So specifically, you have three different types of sons of God that are described in Scripture.
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The first one is, the obvious one, is Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of
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God, right? He's given that title when he's born of a woman.
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All angels are known as sons of God, but none were born of a woman. Okay.
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Psalm 2.7, I would declare the decree the Lord hath said unto me,
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thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.
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Hebrews 1.5, for unto which of the angels said he at any time,
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thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.
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And again, I'll be to him a father, he shall be to me a son.
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1 John 4.9, and this was manifested the love of God toward us because that God
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sent his only begotten son into the world that we might have life through him.
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And then also, you know, John 1.4, John 1.14, John 1.18, John 3.16-18,
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Acts 13-33, and so forth and so on.
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So, Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Now, this is maybe important to note for
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our Bible students out there, is that John 1.1, the Bible says,
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in the beginning was the Word.
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Now, that's important because Jesus wasn't called the Son of God before the beginning.
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He was called the Word. That was the original existential form of Jesus Christ
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before his human birth. He is called the Word.
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So, that's why you see in Old Testament the Word of God walking in the cool of the garden.
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The Word of God was not yet revealed to Samuel and so forth and so on.
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So you see that term, word, describing Jesus Christ.
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Now, not the topic of tonight's podcast, but if you look in 1 Corinthians 15,
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the Bible says at the end,
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when all the enemies of the Lord are basically offered to God, his father,
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the Bible says that Jesus Christ essentially, I'm paraphrasing this,
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but will go back into his original form.
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That's the word. Yeah. Well, and I'll read the passage just so people don't think I'm lying.
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But 1 Corinthians chapter 15.
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So 1 Corinthians 15, everybody knows that that's the chapter that Paul is giving
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evidence and proof of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, right?
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He's given evidential claims. He's giving eyewitness testimony.
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And of course, he's giving a reductio saying, if Christ be not risen.
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But in that, here's what's interesting. In verse 25, well, let me start in 24.
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It says, Then come at the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to
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God, even the Father, when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
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So this is after Christ has reigned.
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This is after all of his enemies have been dealt with. This is after all the
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kingdoms of the world have been given to him. Okay?
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Verse 25, For he must reign till he hath put all enemies under his foot.
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So that means that his reign is temporary. It's not eternal.
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It's important to understand that. Watch.
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Verse 26, And the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
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For he that hath put all things under his feet, for he hath put all things under
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his feet, but when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is accepted,
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which he did put all things under him. Because he's basically,
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he's the only exception.
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That all things were under him. He's over everything else. Then,
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verse 28, now watch, here's the key verse.
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And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then, watch, shall the Son also himself be what?
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Subject unto him that put all things under him that God may be all in all.
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So, what he's basically saying is, when all things are put under his feet and
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all things have been subdued by him, Then also the Son himself shall be subject
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unto him, God the Father.
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And then he becomes all in all. He returns back to the original state before
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the creation of the universe, which is the Word.
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Which means, and there's a book on this, again, this is one of these,
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I'm putting this out here, you know, not as dogmatic, but I'm going to say this,
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that there's evidence that when everything is done, because it talks about,
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the Bible talks about that, that the Canaanite and so forth,
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or that the blessings to Israel and his promised people are going to be under 10,000 generations.
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Well that's beyond the thousand year millennial reign so
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some have posited that maybe there's a time a
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period after the millennium where he
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continues to rule and reign after that he returns back to being the word and
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he's no longer the son the son is then absorbed back into the trinity as the
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word so anyway how did i get that out of adopted sons you tell me that's pretty deep yeah So,
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the Bible says that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God.
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So, that's one of the sons of God.
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The second sons of God are the adopted sons of God. That's us.
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So, before Christians are born again by the Spirit, we're called unsaved children of the devil.
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Matthew 13, 38 and verse 39, 1 John 3, 10.
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Also, the Bible describes us as the children of wrath in Ephesians chapter 2.
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So, once saved, the lost sinner becomes a spiritually adopted son of God.
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Romans 8, 14-15 says this, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
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For they have not received the spirit of bondage, again, to fear,
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but you have received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry,
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Abba, Father. Abba is the Hebrew word for Father.
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But, and then in Galatians 4, 4 through 5, it says, but when the fullness of
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the time was come, God sent forth his son made of a woman, made under the law,
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to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
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So, that's Galatians 4, 4 through 5. So, we receive the spirit,
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we become a son of God, the Bible says, to as many as received him,
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to them became the sons of God, John 1, 12. Well, what is that process?
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The way God describes it is adoption.
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We were not the naturally born, begotten Son of God. We are the adopted Sons
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of God. That distinction is important.
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Then we have what's called the third class of Sons of God is the created Sons of God.
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So the created Sons of God have no earthly parents, but their direct creations made in His image.
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It's this category into which both Adam and the angels belong.
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Genesis 1.27, Genesis 2.7, Luke 3.38 concerning Adam. he's called the son of God, right?
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And in Luke three, then of course, in Genesis six, two through four,
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Job two, one, and then Job 38, seven, the angels are called the sons of God.
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So the verse below, and this is Job one, six, it shows both,
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you know, shows the created sons of God standing before God's throne in the third heaven.
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So Job one, six, it says, now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
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themselves before the Lord and Satan came also among them.
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So, Satan is distinguished from the sons of God.
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Those sons of God are angels. So, contemporary thinking teaches that all angels are messengers.
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This hackneyed definition for the angels arrived by looking up the Hebrew and
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Greek words for the meaning.
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So, that's the problem that, you know, Malak and Aglos, which is that Greek
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and Hebrew word, it means messenger.
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Did they deliver messages? Yeah, but that's not all they did.
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That limit. So, this is a perfect example of how just learning Greek and Hebrew
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will actually limit your Bible knowledge.
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What's the best way to study your Bible? Comparing Scripture with Scripture.
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What's the best way to study your Bible? Letting the Bible define those terms for you.
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So, we'll have to do a study on that, maybe a podcast on that one day on going
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to the Greek and Hebrew, how learning the Greek and Hebrew will actually destroy your Bible knowledge.
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So, instead of relying upon the scriptures to interpret themselves,
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they just go to the Greek and Hebrew words.
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So, a thorough search of the Bible will reveal that the role of angels far outreaches
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any simplistic description than that of a messenger.
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Many angels never relay a message at all. Instead, the primary purpose for the
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angel by scripture is to carry out judgments of God.
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And remember, we described them too as reflections, right? As an appearance.
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So, we talked about that before.
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Beholding the face of children, is that what you're referring to?
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Yeah. But they're also, they could be the appearance of a star.
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They can be an appearance of a minister of light. Oh, yeah. There's all kinds
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of things that they can appear as. They appear as men.
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So anyway, so they're obviously do more than just send messages,
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but they also send, you know, judgments.
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They also refer to as destroying angels, evil angels. These angels are responsible
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for dispensing the sword, pestilence,
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famine, plagues, and so forth upon man as directed by the Lord.
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So Genesis 19 verse 13, 2 Samuel 24 verse 16, 2 Kings 19 verse 35,
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1 Chronicles 21 verses 12 through 16, 2 Chronicles 20 verse 9,
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Psalm 78 verses 42 through 49, Isaiah 37 verse 36, Isaiah chapter 45 verse 7,
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Ezekiel chapter 14, 21 through 22, Jonah chapter 3 verses 4 and 10,
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Revelations 8 verses 7 through 12, Revelation 9 verses 1 through 15,
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Revelation 15, 1 through 8.
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So on and on and on, when you go, and again, if you were to have your little,
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this is my angel Bible study notebook, you'll notice that what they almost never
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do is just deliver a message.
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There's a couple times I can think of where they deliver a message.
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The birth of Christ, Daniel tells, you know, tell them, said,
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hey, you know, the Prince of Persia is prohibiting Michael from showing up.
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And then in Revelation 14, you have the one that says, oh, you know,
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he preaches the gospel of the gospel of God, you know, about fear God and so
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forth and so on in Revelation 14.
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So, yeah, there's some angels that deliver messages, but more often than not,
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they're not delivering messages. or messages of death and destruction.
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So if you, yeah, exactly. If you run to the Greek and Hebrew,
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you will actually learn less Bible.
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Imagine that. You know, so anyway, that covers really what Martis outlines for
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the subject of angels in chapter 12.
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It's a great summary, honestly. It's good. I would encourage anybody,
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like if you want to write down and mark up your Bible with these things,
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if you want to start like a chain reference study on angels,
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go through these passages, Just go through this chapter, and this is a great
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way to encapsulate this information in a study Bible that you can carry with you, you know?
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I mean, it's just a quick way of really clarifying what angels are.
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I mean, we covered their roles, they execute judgment.
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Their names, what they're called, described as, titles.
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Exactly what angels are. I mean, Martus does a lot of the heavy lifting here.
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So, I mean, you had a ton of scripture references that people could start with
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to start putting it together themselves.
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So, check it out yourself, obviously. Compare scripture with scripture. Right.
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And remember, the purpose of this chapter, the goal for Mardis is to describe
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what the Bible describes as extraterrestrials.
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These are the true extraterrestrials, not little green men and lizards.
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Now, listen, if you ask us, do we believe in little green men and lizards and all that stuff?
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Yeah, but this is what I would fall back on.
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If you teach that angels are appearances, those could easily be appearances
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that the angels are deceiving mankind with.
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So what people think as the Nordics, as the grays, as the green aliens.
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Don't forget the lizard people. The lizard people, right?
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Those could very well be angels that are deceiving mankind as an appearance
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of something that they're not.
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Yeah. So, important information, great information.
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But yeah, that's it. That's his chapter 12 in that section on angels.
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So, we'll go in the same chapter where the next podcast will cover the devil himself.
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That'll be an interesting one, for sure. And just to wrap it up,
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I think it'd be appropriate to kind of read part of that chapter 12 summary, just to finish it up.
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But this chapter has addressed the Bible's summation of extraterrestrial life in general, alien life.
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Which can exist outside of the Earth and its atmosphere. The word alien,
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however, and we talked about this a little bit earlier at the beginning,
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is used in the strictest sense of the word meaning foreigner.
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That's it. And not space monsters from Mars or anything like that,
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like you just mentioned.
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Modern man has been brainwashed by the words extraterrestrial and alien and
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simply mentioning one or the other generally conjures image not based on truth.
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This study was designed to help you realign your thinking with God's words.
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While much of the alien life addressed in this chapter interacts with life on
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earth, the first heaven, these life forms also dwell in or have access to dwelling
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place of God, which is in the third heaven.
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So, you know, that's a good way to wrap it up.
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Great summary. Yep. Pretty cool. I mean, it's an interesting study, you know, angelology.
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I think it's a viable study. Here's the thing.
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Yes. You know, eventually we'll do a study on the Trinity, right?
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We'll do a study on Christology, life of Christ, on soteriology, on salvation.
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We'll cover false doctrines like Calvinism, Covenantalism.
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Those things are important, but guess what's in your Bible?
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297 times the word angel shows up, so it's worth studying it.
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I think what disappoints me about this generation of Christians nowadays is
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basically that they'll ignore these things.
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These are, yeah, are these, is this study going to, you know,
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put more money in your bank? You know, is this going to put a missionary on the field?
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Is this going to, you know, build up your vacation Bible school? You know, probably not.
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But you know what it is going to do? It's going to ground you more in the Word
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of God so that when false doctrine arises,
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around angels and the spirit life and extraterrestrials, you are less likely
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to be deceived because you know the truth.
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And I think it's important for people to understand.
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That we're about the truth. We're not about, you know, you know,
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just trying to come up with a nice little story or, you know,
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try to teach something in a kid's Sunday school class about angels that will draw with wings, right?
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So, something like this, I think every nuance that you find, whether it's angels,
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whether it's, you know, you know, the 24 elders in the book of Revelation,
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whether it's, you know, cherubim, seraphim, the flying wheel,
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you know, and Ezekiel, All those things are relevant.
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It's all of those things are worth studying out to establish what the Bible
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actually argues for those things.
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That means look at the biblical evidence. There's nothing wrong with being skeptical.
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As long as you're not, you don't have a questioning spirit, but you have good,
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valid questions. Because the Bible encourages that.
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Right? So, examine these things. You're supposed to reason with God.
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God calls you to reason. He tells you to study things out, prove all things.
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That's the way God has set up the Christian. So that's all we're doing, right?
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And I say that, the only reason I say this, and I know there's some listeners
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that they'll eat this stuff up, right?
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But then you may have some that'll be like, oh, you know, they're talking about
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angels again, got to turn it off. Look, you know, you have freedom,
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listen, whatever you want to.
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But I would just say, if you're interested in being a student of the Word of
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God, you have to study the whole counsel of God.
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Right and and i guarantee you
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if if you know we were talking to some of our missionary friends
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that have had to struggle with weird
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false doctrine in some of these countries especially especially
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pagan beliefs guess what they may have to do a doctrine a doctrinal study on
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angels because these other cultures may be worshiping the host of heaven the
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way that the israelites were and God had to reprimand and rebuke them and reprove them for.
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Well, how do you do that if you don't even know what the right doctrine of angels is?
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So anyway, I'm not saying you have to get a master's degree,
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a theological, you know, a doctorate on angelology, but it is worth the study
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for it. So hopefully you guys are enjoying it.
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Hopefully, you know, we're covering. If there's questions, and I know there's
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going to be some questions, you know, you don't go through a study like this
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where it doesn't generate other questions.
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You know, we'll try to be as thorough as we can. We'll spend as much time as
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we can on angelology, but, you know, just bear in mind, you know,
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we do have a lot of subjects and topics that we'll cover, so we'll probably
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bounce around still. Yeah, celestial horses.
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It's going to be my favorite. Yeah, exactly. Chariots of fire.
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Chariots of fire. That's pretty awesome. Yep.
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Now, just, I think you've pretty much summarized it pretty well.
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I mean, some of the stuff we, like you and I are interested in stuff,
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we eat it up, but there are probably other people that are not really exposed
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to this side of scripture.
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Right. And it's a whole council of God.
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If you have no access to the pure revelation God, you have, among other things,
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no means of detecting Satan.
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That's why it's good to know these things. It's good to study it out. Right.
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And not to shat away from it. Identify the right things. Just because it's weird
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doesn't mean we dismiss it. It's God's word. Yeah.
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Some of you may have kids, you know, that are watching some Hollywood movie
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or Walt Disney cartoon about something and some false notion about angels pops up.
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You gotta know. Are you going to let Hollywood teach them what angels are,
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or are you going to let the Word of God teach them what angels are, right?
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This is important, and this is a reason why a lot of our generation walk away
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from the faith, is because they never taught why what they believe is true.
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And this is how we're covering it. So I know it sounds like we're spending a
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lot of time justifying this, but I'm just trying to alleviate some of the concerns
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that some of our brethren, our brothers and sisters that might listen to this
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and go, you know, just maybe they're nervous about it.
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Like, oh, I don't want to talk about angels in front of my pastor,
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you know, but hey, you know, maybe your pastor's into this too.
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I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Come angel buddies.
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Angel buddies. That's right. Real quick before we wrap it up,
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shout out to those that do listen and has reached out to us,
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whether with questions and encouraging comments.
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It's really a blessing to know that. And hopefully this has been a blessing
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to you. It's been edifying.
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Shout out to Joseph all the way out in West Virginia, who particularly likes
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to listen to every episode that comes out.
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So really appreciate you listening.
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Isn't Joseph the one that sent us the pictures of the angel's wings and said, hey, is this true?
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Yeah, no. Just kidding, Joseph. Just messing with you, man. Yeah,
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we're not picking on you.
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But weren't you just recently interviewed by another podcaster?
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Oh, yeah. Didn't even bring that up yet. So some of our listeners may or may
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not know of this other podcast called Unmovable Apologetics with Randy Keener and Caleb Hickam.
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And highly recommend it. Highly recommend it. It's a great podcast.
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Good Bible Believing Brothers. They're both institute teachers at Asheville Baptist Institute.
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And that's where you're attending now. Right. I'm taking classes right now with ABI.
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Pastor Andrew Fluter is the pastor out there. So some of our listeners will
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probably know them. But yeah, Unmovable Apologetics.
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Brother Keener had me on and we basically talked about public evangelism,
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street preaching, using apologetics, answering various questions and things like that.
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So it was a really good discussion, had a great time with him. That's awesome.
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We'll drop a link to the Immovable podcast and this is a formal invite for Randy
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to maybe come on our podcast. He agreed.
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I asked him if he'd come on the podcast, so we'll have to figure that out.
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Yeah, that'd be great. That'd be great. Excited for it.
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All right. I guess we'll wrap it up there unless you have anything else to add. Nope.
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