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#225 - For Azeroth!: “The Tome of Rohan” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Victory for the Forsaken for Lord are on for the Kirin, Tor.
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  Pandaria for calendar to the burning Legion.
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  Organ Alias. Thus Endora for the alliance for
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  Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
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  another episode of or Azeroth. I am Manny the tongue-tied and I
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  am joined by my co-host live live.
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  How has the World of Warcraft? Be treating you this week.
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  I hit Level 17, that's good. I'm gonna put in a Sounder right
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  here, the crowd going wild so I guess I guess that 50%.
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  Just helped out after all it did.
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  It did quite considerably. But I just, I still was like,
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  take my time and just enjoying the questing throughout land.
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  Like, it was, it was, it was good.
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  It was fine. It was wonderful.
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  The whole experience was great. I actually for the, the last
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  entire level, I just spammed dungeons, like, I completely
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  gave up on doing questing, but there was also a financial
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  reason. For doing that.
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  And that's because when you hit level cap in classic to
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  compensate for the experience that you would have gotten for
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  completing quests, you instead, get a little gold stipend so it
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  actually makes more sense to do all the quests after you've hit
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  level cap. So that's something that I did.
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  I just went in, did the last level instead of doing quests.
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  I just did Dungeons and got experience that way since we did
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  is We do have the bonus experience from it, just made
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  sense to do that. So I have something that I can
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  go do to generate a little extra gold between now and whenever
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  wrath classic actually launches because I do have the added
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  goals of getting epic flight going, so that I can start on
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  the the nether Wing reputation so I can get my nether Drake.
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  Because that does require exalted reputation with the
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  nether weighing in order to be able to purchase one of the
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  nether Drake's. So I do have to come up with
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  5,000 gold in order to buy that because there is no reputation
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  effect on the the price of the the flying because it's it's not
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  from a reputation that you actually get your flying.
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  They don't actually change that like the the writing training
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  for flying until wrath. So I don't want to wait that
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  long. Things I've got to come up with
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  five k gold. So yeah, it's going to be it's
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  going to be a long month, huh? I'm not sure if this is
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  something you could check out on the Wrath beta, but I do recall
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  that when wrath came around, there was also this achievement
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  because achievements are going to be a thing in Wrath.
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  What a strange, long journey and that rewarded you the Violet
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  Proto dragon. And top-tier flying.
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  That's how you get it for free without having to Scourge re all
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  that money. Now, I don't know if they have
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  decided to make that change because wrath has more changes
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  in it than any of the other Classics before, but you could
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  do all those holiday events. When the one that shows up And
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  then get yeah, that top tier flying that way.
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  Well, since all of the holiday events aren't rolled out all
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  simultaneously at the same time, I would still have to wait a
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  year in order to get that because I think it's from the
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  point that raft launches that, that achievement starts counting
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  the credit, because there's no way for them to go back and back
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  credit, the, the achievement for that.
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  So, I do think the, the achievement is in.
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  I'll have to jump in the beta myself.
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  Check it out. And if or if you listening to
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  the show right now, you know the answer this question please.
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  Feel free to answer but but yeah, I got to get flying and
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  it's gonna cost a bunch of gold. Okay.
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  Well then I guess the fastest way that I know to make like
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  five K plus gold, I guess you would have to do two days worth
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  of callings. Wow, that would be waiting for
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  shadowlands classic so that's going to be a longer.
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  Wait it's a bit a bit. Um my week has been a lot of
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  just going around the alpha to test out weird things on that
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  and we'll be talking about that later.
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  And then also on life, I've just I've been in the Season 4 season
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  for has lodged. And so my times he's very split.
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  There's everything that I want to do in season 4 and now I want
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  to do it on two characters because I want to get my Demon
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  Hunter like adequately geared, to do a couple of things as
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  well. So like I wasn't expecting to be
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  as into season four as I am, but it's actually a surprise.
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  I was like, oh you know I'll raid one night and That felt
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  like, man, I know it's all the things, all the things.
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  So let's kind of jump into it because our weeks and wow, has
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  really reflected the general news in.
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  Wow. So the first one, of course, is
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  the wrath of. And can I get you to cover this
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  live? Yeah, absolutely.
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  So surprised we have the pre patch up on the PTR right now.
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  As of like, I think, two days ago, as of the recording of this
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  episode, they jumped in and dropped in The the pre patch
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  into the into the PTR which stirred up a whole frenzy of
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  people clamoring to claim that the the the pre patch is going
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  to be launching within the next couple of weeks which I got, I
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  got to be honest, it's not. It's weird that we're still
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  probably probably like the better part of a month out from
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  seeing pre patch because there's a lot that they have to test.
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  But like if the Wrath is launching September 26, right?
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  So it could be a couple of weeks.
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  Yeah. When you say better, part of a
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  month that lands you first week of September and then you do the
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  pre patch of event. So I just say yeah the like it's
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  important to note that the original pre patch event for
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  Wrath of the Lich King, only lasted three weeks.
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  So, So if if they wanted to emulate that the the original
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  launch of Wrath of the Lich King, then it would make sense
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  that it would be three weeks because there's there's a but
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  what about the things you can get, but wouldn't they want that
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  one week to make sure everything stable?
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  They usually do like the one week.
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  Okay. Here's your systems.
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  And then they launched the pre patch the week after once I like
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  okay everything's good and we sort of out the bugs, right?
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  So like pre patch comes in and then then then the actual like
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  event starts. Yeah.
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  I see what you're saying. Maybe, maybe that's how they do
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  it. But also there's no precedent
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  for this because we didn't get like, we got something kind of
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  like that for the burning Crusade was like we had like two
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  weeks though, like it was very short.
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  Very, very short-lived. We didn't have much time at all.
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  I'd like, it was literally two weeks and on top of that, every
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  Anyone that wanted to play either a draenei or a blood elf.
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  They only had those two weeks to get those characters up to 58 in
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  order to take them into the dark portal whenever the whenever the
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  expansion launch proper. So, yeah, it's It's muddy
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  because it seems like they tried to kind of like put an Express
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  spin on the the launch of burning Crusade and they got
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  burned for it because everyone was just upset that they didn't
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  have the time that they wanted to level their their blood elves
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  in their their draenei and the new.
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  Well, I mean there's demon sort of rather death Knights.
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  Yeah. Yes.
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  But it's not going to take nearly as much time because the
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  the death Knights are going to be level.
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  With that, 50% experience, bonus, like the experience,
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  bonus. Yes.
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  The experience bonus. Last until September 26th.
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  Ha until they flipped the servers on for wrath?
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  Classic starting. Officially, it's all the way up
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  to it. All right.
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  I think that they should launch the pre-event longer just
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  because maybe you know what, we're in this little, we're in
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  2022, and Be original. The original Wrath of the Lich
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  King thing was stuff that like, epidemic specialist
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  epidemiologist were looking at to study and all of that.
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  Maybe we need to revisit this study with modern people.
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  Yeah. I'll just let it run longer,
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  let's see what happens. Is it going to be worse?
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  That's what I'm this. Like, why I want them to take
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  their time with it because they were a lot of people that were
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  pissed. They were pissed because they're
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  Euler gameplay, experience of of the game in that three-week,
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  period was yeah, yeah, yeah I got trashed her tailed because
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  people were just running around is ghouls the whole time.
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  Just slaughtering everyone in sight.
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  Like you couldn't step foot into into storm under Orgrimmar
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  during that two-week period. Just because it was a it was a
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  death zone. It was just everyone was dead
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  that you like there? No NPCs.
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  Like as soon as you walked in, you got sworn by like 10 players
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  controlling zombies or ghouls, I guess.
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  But either way you couldn't do anything.
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  Like you had to go to like Fringe areas in order to
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  participate in the game at all. So you're really changed.
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  I do, I want them to change it. I think that they they should
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  scale it back considerably. Like it should be something that
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  like every once in a while there's like Old.
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  Okay well someone's being silly and biting everyone and turning
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  everyone into zombies like that's cool.
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  That's rad. But having it all the time where
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  you can't do anything. No, I don't know.
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  You're basically you're asking for the Shadowland spree patch.
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  Yes. There was where was like very
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  limited in like how far you could get as a ghoul.
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  And there were just flat-out immune NPCs.
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  That would be like. Okay this is over you've had
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  your fun. Yes.
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  Yes huh. I very much want that because
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  it's it's Like there is there is like a bit of nostalgia for
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  having that like hmm. Like that event going through as
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  it initially was I do like I can't deny that.
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  There is a small part of me that's just like you know but
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  what if we did every but that's a person who's an outside
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  Observer and not going to be stepping into it.
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  Like my play isn't going to be disrupted so I'm totally biased
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  in like let. Them have their troll fund,
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  their ghoul Massacre as it were, but you're right.
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  It's utterly disruptive to some players?
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  Yes, yes. Very much so.
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  So I think like maybe maybe there's some like Middle Ground
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  there where instead of having it be like a constant throughout
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  the entire prep, adjuvant of just being on slotted by ghouls
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  all the time 24/7. It would be cool if it was just
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  like okay too Tuesday after a reset its met him for like three
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  hours and then it clears up. And then it's just like on that
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  kind of like weekly cycle of just like the reset happens.
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  Everyone goes through the same thing of.
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  Okay, we just don't go to Stormwind until like 6:00 p.m.
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  and everything's cool. And then have like the rest of
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  the week just kind of be like, okay.
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  Like one or two ghouls is running around having a laugh
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  but like it's not the horrific, you know, streets are just piled
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  with bodies seen that we associate with the rat, the the
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  Wrath pre patch event. So like we have the best of both
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  worlds where there is, there is chaos and Mayhem for for those
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  that are interested. But then, The rest of the time
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  that like very contained, chaos and Mayhem and then the rest of
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  the time, it's just not the normal game.
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  And everyone's going around doing it like getting the things
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  that they want to get taken care of taken care of.
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  Because, you know, I for one, I'm going to be leveling a
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  druid. I don't want to be disrupted,
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  okay, with my druid leveling, I saw a man I feel like sometimes
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  these events shouldn't be things that you can fully opt out of
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  like yeah if they make it into like one.
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  One particular area that I think like yeah.
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  If you're a near that area it's happening but this is something
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  that went worldwide and spread so yeah, I get it.
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  I get it. Maybe I wish they were some
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  servers or it's like, this is a server where the original event
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  is happening. And this is a server, where the
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  modified event is happening, or you can like switch on war mode
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  and go into the real event or you Or you can be in war mode
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  off. And then at this is like, the
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  modified event and this option will only exist for the three
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  weeks. And you and once you get past
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  week one or you can always opt out of the event but you can
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  never opt into it once you get past a certain threshold.
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  I think that might be like just giving some people an option and
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  then those those shards come back together when the, when the
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  event ends. Yeah.
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  You know. Ways and they're like there's
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  there's any number of solutions that they can use to to make it
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  something special for everybody that doesn't completely upend
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  everything but like ultimately like people are playing the game
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  because they want to have a good time and if you're forcing
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  someone into into something that is causing them to not have a
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  good time, then you, you know, you should take a look at that
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  and and address that. Where you can sew at.
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  That's that's what the the main focus of the, the PTR, having
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  the prefetch loaded onto it is going to be like, ivax went on
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  the under the forums and said as much that like this first week
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  there, they're just you know, making sure that the build a
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  stable and everything and then with the the reset next week,
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  they're going to be starting testing on the pre patch event
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  and seeing seeing what adjustment needs needs to be
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  made. If Any adjustment needs to be
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  made, but we'll see, we'll see how it plays out, okay?
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  But another bit of news around the Wrath beta or just wrath
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  classic in general, is that they added something into the into
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  the Beta. Like the latest build that went
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  live this week, they added emblems as a reward for
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  completing the end of Zone questions for.
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  I think thinks like at the very least storm home or no storm
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  peaks and icecrown Citadel, like those two zones had pretty
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  lengthy questions. That employed a lot of phasing
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  Tech because anyone anyway Played back in the day.
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  There was a lot of heavy phasing Tech that went into these zones.
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  That if you completed a particular question, your friend
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  didn't complete that Quest. You would not be in the same
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  Zone even though you're physically there.
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  Like you can you can even like join a party with each other but
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  not be able to actually see each other because you completed a
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  quest and your friend didn't. So they instead of Kind of
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  getting a little loosey-goosey with the phasing Tech and making
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  it like having to sort through the entire trouble of fixing
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  that so that it doesn't obstruct people from, you know, and
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  enjoying the game together parties.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Instead of instead of putting in party sink that you're talking
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  like it's like this weird going into the weeds, think it's like
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  they could have added party. Think that would have been
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  somewhat against Classic feel. So now they're highly
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  incentivizing you to get the quest done so that everybody is
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  in the right face? Yes.
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  Yes. Basically, basically, trying to
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  get everybody to be in the end phase because I mean the
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  genuinely I think that's a better solution because that
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  allows it, I mean, it just makes it more lucrative to actually go
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  through and do the quest other than, you know, the, the want.
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  Or desire to, you know, complete the zones which I had people.
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  Some people have that desire, some people don't, and that's
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  okay. But at least now there's a
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  reason outside of just completing the zone to go and do
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  those quests. Which I like because it gives it
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  gives like a little bit of something, a little bit extra on
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  top of what you're already getting to go in and do these
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  quests, which is it's welcomed, like they're there is still an
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  argument. And I think that I'm glad that
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  they're doing the testing for this now and seeing how that
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  exactly is going to shape up, how it's going to play out at
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  least in the beta testing, just to see if it's going to be
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  something that they end up sticking with or if it's that
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  plus adding in party sink into it, in order to help kind of
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  Alleviate the stress of not being able to play with your
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  friends. I think it's definitely needed.
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  I know from, like, my basic experience of way back in a day,
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  going around ICC and having phasing issues of summoning.
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  People at the end of the expansion because of the phasing
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  issues. I remember going through just
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  like, especially in ICC that like initial part where you're
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  going through the ramparts and like the Fate heavy face.
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  Thing they did to like, show your progress there and I loved
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  it. I loved seeing the progress of
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  and the accomplishments that you would make, as you went through.
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  But yeah, that phasing splintered so many different
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  groups. And it'd be like, okay, well,
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  we'll just meet in the instance because Manny's in this phase
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  and lives in that phase and this person's in another face.
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  So I'm glad that they're doing it.
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  I hope that this is enough incentive.
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  It's easy enough for them to add additional incentive and not
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  have to rely on party sink. But they've been so much smarter
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  with Sense that it's no longer an issue.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And I like that. We'll see how the testing goes.
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  But Rath, if I had any time at all between things like I would
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  I would be tempted to play wrath.
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  It's just no, I there's no way I have time to pick up classic on
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  top of everything else going on. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. Is there anything else going
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  off? That I mean, outside of outside
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  of just beta testing happening, I think they're picking back up
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  with red testing this week. That was on the next frame has
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  started up. Yeah, so we'll see.
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  There's a, I don't really think there's much more that needs to
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  be done for retesting outside of just like General tuning.
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  Like, I think that first initial week that they did for rape
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  testing, they got the majority of the bugs, kind of figured out
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  and like, outside of outside of the I spoke to because like
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  there's there's a whole slew of different things, like you've
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  got class bugs, you got to sort out, plus you've got, you know,
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  encounter bugs to sort out, and then you've got to, like, see if
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  there's anything going on that is unintended between the two.
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  So, Like outside of, you know, your typical testing stuff that
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  I think it's just tuning at this point because I think the
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  general consensus is that things are still way too easy.
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  Even with the the Buffs that they gave to to the bosses and
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  and and just like the enemies in naxxramas in general it's still
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  still widely considered to be a little bit little bit too easy,
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  so it's going to be interesting to see how they how they
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  continue to shape, how our experience of next Ramis in
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  Wrath is going to shake out because Right now it's just
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  right now it's just a loop piñata and I don't think that
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  that's what anybody really wants.
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  Some people enjoyed Luke pinata, some people enjoyed the pull,
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  everything as much as people want to say that.
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  Like it was so much harder earlier or submit.
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  They like the if the things to be difficult I would say that
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  SFO has proven that there is a upper limit to the difficulty,
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  that Till's all R8, so lewdly. Well maybe you can keep a little
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  bit of ease of play especially for an introductory dungeon.
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  Mmm, I do but of course like we always say there is no way you
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  can. Please everyone the people who
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  are complaining it's too easy. Now are not the same people that
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  are going to be complaining, if it becomes too difficult and
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  there is the the relative sweet spot that you want to do.
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  Yeah. Especially because naxxramas
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  didn't have difficulties, it's not like there is a LFR or
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  normal heroic Mythic know. There is just just one version
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  of of it for 10, man, and 25, man.
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  So we will see talking about difficulty issues on Live season
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  for has had to go through some cheating, and this is where I've
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  been spending my time because between The Faded raids between
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  the Mythic plus, it has been a bit of a rollercoaster week when
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  we were dealing with the faded Ray.
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  There were two things at play, several player abilities, not
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  the abilities of the actual creatures and Encounters in the
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  dungeon. But several player.
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  Abilities were not scaling properly to this new difficulty.
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  In fact, I saw a report of one person using ability and getting
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  33 damage out of it which is horrible, this like absolutely
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  horrible and there was a number of Asses that were impacted by
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  this. And it turned out that whatever
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  Tech they use for this wasn't quite easy to fix whatever.
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  Spaghetti code, there was. So they needed some time to go
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  through this and fix that. And once they actually did put
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  through a fix it, required that instances.
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  Be reset. Which meant that if you had
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  killed a boss, it was fine. But some of the trash, you may
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  have cleared to that boss. I was back at it again.
• 24:50
  I mean extra chance for faded BOS for those who wanted that,
• 24:55
  but it was To use to use a term from Taliesin and ever tell it
• 25:04
  wasn't as soon as you said 33 damage, the only thing that went
• 25:09
  through my head was the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme and like
• 25:14
  it was it was only select abilities from some classes.
• 25:18
  So if you noticed it, you noticed it, if you didn't, you
• 25:23
  could have gone through in some cases like for enhancement
• 25:26
  Chalmers because that's what I was playing.
• 25:28
  It was a specific buff from a specific wolf that we would only
• 25:35
  get maybe one third of the time. Like, it's like a one out of
• 25:42
  three wolves that you can get and you didn't generate two
• 25:44
  wolves. So sometimes, you might generate
• 25:46
  both rules that were the the wolf that got nerfed and that
• 25:50
  would destroy your damage and you'd be crying and sometimes
• 25:54
  you wouldn't generate it at all. And so your parse would be fine
• 25:57
  and Evie good on damage. I like the people who notice
• 26:00
  this were the guys going through logs and be like, what in the
• 26:04
  world is happening there? So that got fixed, they adjusted
• 26:11
  that but that wasn't the end of it.
• 26:13
  So we have a, we have a developer's note here.
• 26:17
  Kayaks went on a forms and said that, as they've examined this
• 26:22
  and related issues players notice that are fixed seem to
• 26:27
  come at the expense. Exact same time.
• 26:29
  That bosses Health are paired to go up.
• 26:33
  Because when they went through the quote-unquote, spaghetti
• 26:37
  code, they realize that oh this was causing boss Health to be
• 26:42
  displayed in correctly so they did this fix players jump back
• 26:46
  in and suddenly the bosses have way more Health than they did
• 26:52
  and people are like what in the world is going on but then that
• 26:56
  also was accompanied by Mythic raids.
• 27:00
  Actually getting an increase in health 15% on some of these
• 27:05
  bosses. So with the under with the
• 27:08
  quote-unquote underreported health that no no guys, this was
• 27:12
  a display issue. You were already burning through
• 27:14
  that Health. We haven't made it any more
• 27:15
  difficult being confounded or compounded with actually, Mythic
• 27:20
  bosses weren't getting enough hell.
• 27:22
  So we're going to tack on 15% hell, I can just imagine some
• 27:25
  Raiders walking into the re the next day and be like, what in
• 27:29
  the world is going on here? And then you would have had me
• 27:34
  who would have been like, oh yeah, percent Health still the
• 27:37
  same. Like I don't know what that
• 27:39
  means. It was it was pretty crazy.
• 27:44
  My team went in on Tuesday, came back on Thursday.
• 27:47
  We are only dealing with heroic this week, we're going to be
• 27:49
  doing each week on heroic and then when it comes back we're
• 27:53
  going to then start going through the Mythic level who
• 27:56
  difficulties for that. So I am looking forward to that.
• 27:58
  This is would be my first real push into Mythic Castle NAFTA.
• 28:03
  And Mythic. Well, I did kills like the first
• 28:06
  three bosses for sanctum. So I've gotten my taste of that
• 28:11
  and actually, like, pushing through some Mythic content, so
• 28:13
  I'm going to be enjoying that. Yeah, we also got a change to
• 28:18
  LFR. So, on the top end, Mythic got
• 28:21
  its 50% Health, but they fixed an issue where raid finder
• 28:26
  difficulty was erroneously, granting enemies less stats than
• 28:31
  intended. So elephant.
• 28:33
  Forgot more difficult. And this seems to be the
• 28:36
  opposite of where they were and SFO where that started to
• 28:41
  difficult. And they've had to repeatedly
• 28:43
  and repeatedly Nerf all difficulties.
• 28:46
  And all of the Encounters. This was the loot pinata going
• 28:50
  through it on Tuesday, unless there was a major mess up with,
• 28:54
  maybe the influx power or the infusion power, or just you
• 29:00
  plain old forgot how the fight worked and then He reminded the
• 29:04
  hard way you could get through these fights fairly quickly with
• 29:08
  a team that remembered how to do them.
• 29:09
  So I want to see how this works. I haven't had a chance to step
• 29:13
  in again, because when my team went back in on Thursday, I was
• 29:17
  off doing some other things, but I'm looking forward to seeing
• 29:21
  how this plays out hopefully, without further adjustments
• 29:25
  required, because it is a pretty fun way of seeing these things
• 29:30
  and Castle nastya. It's good to be Be back in there
• 29:34
  at first. I was like, yeah, we've done
• 29:35
  this, like, you know, the the same thing where you were
• 29:39
  saying, where you're like, where you said rehash and eggs, I was
• 29:42
  like, and we'll see how this is, but the infusions despite, their
• 29:48
  tooltips are not overwhelmingly difficult or hard or complex,
• 29:53
  you kind of get what they add to the fight and then continue
• 29:56
  through. But it's a nice little Nostalgia
• 29:59
  trip where it's like. Oh yeah, this guy, I remember
• 30:02
  beating Up 100 times for this. And then you get the meat of up
• 30:05
  the 101st time with this new twist and, and like, because
• 30:09
  it's not overwhelmingly difficult.
• 30:12
  They put that tuning in, it's just a fun time with her with
• 30:15
  her, a team. So I do encourage people to go
• 30:17
  back at that. Yeah, the last bug that they've
• 30:20
  had with, the raids is, actually a credit issue.
• 30:25
  With the crossing fate, people were not getting credit for the
• 30:29
  enemies or the encounters that they completed to do Crossing
• 30:33
  Fate and this took a little bit of time again for them to sort
• 30:37
  out the issue but it's now sorted out if you miss credit
• 30:41
  for killing these bosses, make sure that you log in before the
• 30:47
  reset on Tuesday and go to or Bose going into or bows before
• 30:52
  the reset. Will grant you the credit that
• 30:54
  you are missing. And then Tuesday, if you wait
• 30:58
  till Tuesday in the reset happens, then you will be out of
• 31:00
  luck. So please make sure you do that.
• 31:05
  That brings us to the other half of season 4 with is the Mythic
• 31:09
  Keystone Dungeons. And these did have a fair share
• 31:15
  of issues though not as many but one, good thing that we are
• 31:20
  happy to report is that contrary to what we had seen on the PTR
• 31:24
  and that we here and at other news news providers had said the
• 31:30
  infiltrators that appear with the seasonal.
• 31:34
  Mix, add a Mythic + 10 or greater are counting towards
• 31:39
  your total forces, percentage complete, which means that the
• 31:43
  dungeons are much are somewhat easier than we had anticipated
• 31:48
  because you're going to have to pull less trash in order to get
• 31:51
  that done. Which means most of the time
• 31:53
  more direct routes. The times that it's not is
• 31:57
  because we have the, to quote, unquote and avoid the pun.
• 32:01
  Now, can't avoid the pain. These are the on Rails dungeon.
• 32:04
  Ends of grim real Depot and iron docks which are pretty much
• 32:08
  straight shots, but those aren't the dungeons that are causing
• 32:12
  the issues with most teams the dungeon that gets the MVP for
• 32:16
  kicking in your butt is lower. Care is an which by all reports
• 32:24
  and I haven't played this yet is grossly over tuned.
• 32:29
  So I'm hoping that with the reset, we're going to see some
• 32:32
  changes to lower carriers. And You were saying, sorry to
• 32:36
  interrupt but you were saying before we recorded that it was
• 32:39
  like, people that were like flying through plus 18, s of
• 32:43
  other dungeons, no problem. They were getting into a 16.
• 32:46
  Lower care is an and just like couldn't complete it.
• 32:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:50
  That was that happened to a friend of mine.
• 32:52
  I was like, what is going on here?
• 32:55
  And that has been echoed through the community to so yeah, like I
• 33:01
  really do want to dive into Mythic Plus Us, especially
• 33:05
  because I want to get all those V options.
• 33:07
  So I'm going to be trying to do a lot of that as well, but I
• 33:12
  also want to get back into rating.
• 33:14
  So season 4's, be great, but Alpha is here and we just got
• 33:21
  right after we recorded our last episode.
• 33:23
  That's when, finally, the face for stuff happened and we got
• 33:28
  all this stuff through Alpha. But before we do that, why don't
• 33:32
  we take a moment to thank our patrons.
• 33:36
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• 33:43
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• 33:58
  Okay, let's take a moment to talk about a little bit of
• 34:02
  content that will never see the light of day.
• 34:06
  Maybe you want to talk about that.
• 34:08
  I don't, I don't think so. Okay, so we got a report and
• 34:14
  this was a scooped picked up by Jason schreier who tweeted out
• 34:21
  about it the other day. But basically what happened was
• 34:26
  a blizzard and Nettie's We're working on a mobile MMORPG in
• 34:33
  the World of Warcraft universe. That was scrapped it.
• 34:38
  Got scrapped it. Got canned, they aren't doing it
• 34:41
  anymore. And it kind of kind of makes one
• 34:48
  scratch the head because this is news of this news of this mobile
• 34:55
  MMO being scrapped coming off of, Of the news of Diablo
• 35:00
  Immortal the other Nettie's title that just launched
• 35:05
  reaching 100 million dollars in Revenue.
• 35:10
  Reportedly like within the last couple of weeks hitting 100
• 35:16
  million dollars in Revenue so you kind of got it kind of gotta
• 35:21
  ask the question. What was this was Was there like
• 35:32
  okay, I guess it just makes you wonder, what were the factors
• 35:36
  that brought about the cancellation of this type?
• 35:40
  Because the and we hadn't even heard anything like the only
• 35:43
  mobile title that we had heard of, in the warcraft Universe,
• 35:45
  was Warcraft, Rumble, which is still, you know, going full
• 35:49
  steam ahead but Nettie's didn't have anything to do with this
• 35:53
  one. I don't believe that.
• 35:54
  Correct? No, no!
• 35:56
  Warcraft rumbles is completely. Obviously, when they want to
• 35:59
  bring it to the domestic Chinese market, they'll probably work
• 36:04
  with Nettie's to provide it there.
• 36:07
  But this one, this one we kind of got hints out because they
• 36:11
  said they had multiple World of Warcraft things in development.
• 36:17
  When you think about this, it to me I guess this is kind of like
• 36:22
  Starcraft goes, the Starcraft should game.
• 36:26
  That never was that people are like oh man.
• 36:28
  That would have been cool. I would have loved to hear about
• 36:30
  it and if it is like Starcraft ghost, maybe we'll get some
• 36:34
  characters. And some of the legacy of this
• 36:36
  game that will bleed into our current offerings or a future
• 36:41
  games and that might be a thing. I think the biggest thing about
• 36:46
  this is that we know that it was code named Neptune.
• 36:50
  We know that was in development for three-plus years and when I
• 36:54
  say we know that's all that Jason schreier is Saying like it
• 36:58
  was code named net Neptune in development for three-plus years
• 37:03
  and I'm kind of glad to hear of this for them to cancel
• 37:12
  something that they had put so much time and effort into
• 37:15
  Harkens back to Classic, sort of Blizzard things where it's like,
• 37:19
  it's got to reach a level of Polish.
• 37:21
  It's got to be a good enough game for them to release it.
• 37:24
  Remember this is not the first Warcraft game that we We've had
• 37:28
  canceled, we had the battle of the Clans, the thrall game that
• 37:35
  got cancelled eventually, and they definitely use that story
• 37:39
  when they went to Warcraft 3. And of course in Warcraft, World
• 37:44
  of Warcraft, we have seen that as well.
• 37:46
  So I don't think nothing will come of this, but I think that
• 37:51
  it was just a game that they did not feel was it was really
• 37:56
  realizing the potential. And I'm glad to see it gone
• 38:01
  especially because I worry about monetization on mobile titles.
• 38:06
  You just talked about Diablo Immortal a game that I'm never
• 38:10
  going to play despite yet despite people calling myself
• 38:15
  and Hugh shills for the blizzard propaganda machine.
• 38:21
  Oh and what was but a Scheels and not gas, lighters grifters,
• 38:29
  that's what we're after is grifters, that's where you are a
• 38:32
  grifter. Okay, but anyway, anyway, that's
• 38:36
  that's a story for another show like, yeah, I think hopefully
• 38:40
  something will come out of. This is I don't really feel like
• 38:44
  MMO's on Phone or anything that I would ever be interested in.
• 38:51
  So yeah, I've downloaded a few separate MMOs but I mean, have
• 38:59
  they were it what constitutes? Yeah, I mean what constitutes an
• 39:02
  MMO on a mobile title is completely different from what
• 39:06
  constitutes an MMO like what what you would think of whenever
• 39:11
  you think of an MMO basically it like what it boils down to is,
• 39:15
  they're all like you. Well, there's the, there's
• 39:19
  Annie, no Kuni game that just Mount a couple months back and
• 39:25
  then there's like a couple of other like but that that's the
• 39:29
  thing is that with mobile MMO titles, it kind of bleeds into
• 39:34
  the like like kind of idle games.
• 39:41
  Like if you've done any like clicker titles or Idol titles
• 39:46
  where like you're you're like I don't really want that, we gotta
• 39:50
  where you get like Like your character leveling up / evolving
• 39:54
  or whatever? Yeah and you've got like what's
• 39:56
  like nachiappan elements? I mean it's kind of they take
• 40:01
  kind of like these gotcha pain and these idle game elements and
• 40:05
  they kind of put it in but you're like what makes it a
• 40:09
  quote-unquote MMO is that there's a whole bunch of other
• 40:11
  people that you're all doing the same stuff with and there's
• 40:14
  like, PVP and and whole bunch of stuff.
• 40:16
  We're actually playing against role players.
• 40:18
  So it's But it's something sorry the PVP is one thing and like by
• 40:26
  that by that token Street Fighter is an MMO and I'm not
• 40:29
  going to say that street fighters in them.
• 40:31
  But like what's a cooperative play that you would like
• 40:36
  Dungeons and and that kind of time.
• 40:38
  So that mean there's there's other players.
• 40:40
  Yes. Yeah.
• 40:41
  Okay. So there are elements of like
• 40:44
  what you would consider like your traditional MMO fair that
• 40:48
  are involved in some of He's games like the I'm Diablo
• 40:52
  immortal. Like I consider that an MMO for
• 40:55
  a mobile title because you do have the cooperate elements.
• 41:01
  You do have this open world where you can run around and
• 41:03
  there are people other players running around in real time so
• 41:09
  that I mean that's very much still there.
• 41:11
  But there's a lot of these other elements that are being brought
• 41:15
  into it. So I would be concerned because
• 41:18
  in order to tube Bring that kind of title to Warcraft.
• 41:24
  I think could be more damaging to the overall experience of MMO
• 41:30
  players because it would ride a very fine line between what some
• 41:36
  may call Innovation and what others would call just blatant,
• 41:41
  cash-grab mechanics like it would it would open the door for
• 41:47
  for them to bring some of these mechanics.
• 41:50
  Into Warcraft proper. And I don't think that that
• 41:53
  would be necessarily a good thing.
• 41:57
  Would you be more or less opposed to it?
• 42:00
  If it didn't use the warcraft name.
• 42:03
  If it was just oh we're gonna do a Starcraft mobile MMO or we're
• 42:11
  going to do an OverWatch Mo or right, where it's like.
• 42:15
  Okay this is like OverWatch if it was a demo on a mobile
• 42:21
  Platform. I think I think I would still
• 42:24
  have the same issues with it that because I'm like, I want to
• 42:27
  get out ahead of this as well as like I don't think that Diablo
• 42:30
  Immortal is a good title either and I don't think it's healthy
• 42:32
  for the, for the like, the blizzard ecosystem of games that
• 42:36
  Diablo Immortal a exist and be is making nearly as much money
• 42:41
  as it is because it does set this, this kind of mmm,
• 42:45
  precedence of incentive for them to continue making titles like
• 42:49
  that in the future. Sure.
• 42:50
  Huh. Okay.
• 42:51
  I'm gonna push back on that. I okay, and I have to be nuanced
• 42:55
  about this. Yes.
• 42:56
  Right. I do believe that Diablo
• 43:00
  Immortal is a good game mechanically.
• 43:04
  I believe that the monetization and the way that things get
• 43:11
  limited including drop rates and Rarities that you would will
• 43:15
  find do ruin the variance of the overall experience of that game.
• 43:22
  It is incredibly disturbing that you could sink a ton of money
• 43:27
  into getting a chance at the items that your progress is
• 43:33
  vastly increased by sinking a bunch of money into it.
• 43:37
  But the way that you can progress and that is very much
• 43:42
  Diablo and enjoyable Diablo experience is just that it is
• 43:47
  oddly chained down by these like Tan's that are trying to grab it
• 43:52
  you and grab at your wallet. So like yeah, I think
• 43:55
  mechanically it's fine, right? If I because I'm not the kind of
• 44:01
  person who needs to compete against the leaderboard.
• 44:05
  I think that I could play Diablo Immortal at my slow snail Pace
• 44:09
  free-to-play version and enjoy that game.
• 44:13
  Yeah and also for for the sake of transparency, I did
• 44:19
  redownload down. Immortal this week and have been
• 44:22
  kind of piddling around with it. But after that, nothing means
• 44:27
  that you don't think should exist twice.
• 44:30
  Yes. But it was big hear me out.
• 44:33
  Hear me out. I just got a new phone and I
• 44:35
  wanted to test the graphics on it and you know my my moral
• 44:43
  standards only exist long enough for me to test this game.
• 44:48
  Oh okay. All right and this is Spend it
• 44:51
  for a couple of hours just to get the, you know, couple of
• 44:54
  riffs and and then I could, you know, delete the game and now
• 44:57
  over it's hunky-dory. It's fine.
• 45:00
  Okay, so we got two moral outbursts from live for the
• 45:04
  price of one game got it. Okay?
• 45:07
  Looks like Diablo is not the only one who's Solace but moving
• 45:11
  on Direct moving on. Let's talk about the dragon
• 45:18
  fight Alpha because oh man, I Here's a lot that happened this
• 45:23
  week in the dragon fight outfit, but I really want to test more.
• 45:26
  Yes, they have course have the new Zone and the new zone is
• 45:30
  beautiful. The bronze dragons.
• 45:33
  Their architecture. Where was that for the caverns
• 45:37
  of time? Like Calves of time.
• 45:39
  It's just plop, it's garbage. It is like they need to really
• 45:44
  am at like they need to do what they did with Orgrimmar in
• 45:47
  Stormwind for the caverns of time and like reimagine it with
• 45:50
  this. Architecture, because it is
• 45:53
  beautiful the bronze dragon architecture and the stuff that
• 45:56
  they do there. But the entire zone is gorgeous
• 46:00
  and gushing about that is horrible radio.
• 46:05
  So go find a video. Guys, we're gonna move on but
• 46:12
  they do have finally. We can access the capital city
• 46:16
  of Val tracon in this and that's got all of the amenities.
• 46:20
  He's right there including the black market auction house which
• 46:26
  you don't have to go off to some Far corner of the world for the
• 46:29
  first time in forever. They have the transmog station
• 46:36
  and all of the Crafters Consortium stuff for like the
• 46:39
  work orders and that the bank and the auction house.
• 46:44
  And all of this means that this is another capital city where we
• 46:49
  don't need to constantly be. I'm like, okay, I got to go back
• 46:52
  to Orgrimmar to do this, or I've got to go back to Stormwind
• 46:56
  because they've kept this out, which is fantastic.
• 46:59
  I means we're going to be based in this city, we're not going to
• 47:04
  be split off into our class order Halls.
• 47:07
  We're not going to be split off into the different layers and
• 47:12
  stuff that go with our covenants.
• 47:14
  Everybody's going to be in this city and it's going to be and
• 47:18
  because of that it is the one of the largest Ever.
• 47:22
  It is huge, massive, massive. And and just to interject here,
• 47:31
  wonderful for dragon writing yes you take it up that you can take
• 47:35
  that card over. Yeah.
• 47:36
  Yeah you can you can take a portal up to the tallest tower
• 47:40
  to the top of the tallest tower in the city and just jump off is
• 47:44
  wonderful. It's 10 out of 10.
• 47:46
  It's the best. They like the very first thing
• 47:48
  that I did when I got into the alpha was just jump.
• 47:50
  Off this Tower, I didn't do that as much because I was one of
• 47:57
  those people who in the first week.
• 47:59
  They had allowed people to sneak into the capital was one of
• 48:03
  those people who had stuck into the capital.
• 48:05
  And I got, I got fully on fully booted when they like fixed it.
• 48:09
  They're like everybody out. I got booted, but, like, I got
• 48:12
  the Explorer and, like, coming back was great, but like, I was,
• 48:15
  like, okay, now we actually get to do these things.
• 48:19
  The throw dress is own. That felt track and his in this
• 48:22
  is like the final Zone, you will level through before you hit
• 48:26
  cap. So you're getting all of the the
• 48:29
  final setup for the raid and all of the that's that that's
• 48:33
  through there and you finally can get to the level cap and
• 48:37
  have all your talents. So for me it was a lot of it is
• 48:41
  like okay I've got this I can set up these talents and
• 48:46
  Actually go through the dungeons this week.
• 48:48
  We didn't get a new dungeon but all the dungeons that have been
• 48:52
  released so far, have stayed in the rotation.
• 48:55
  So being able to play through at 70 and have all the talents was
• 49:01
  a big thick part of it, unfortunately, for me, Shaman
• 49:05
  talents got a pass where they said that the defensive and
• 49:12
  movement abilities were over budgeted And to and too much so
• 49:18
  they've rained Us in. It is not bad.
• 49:24
  Like I agree with that though because you could ya keep your
• 49:27
  customers agree with it. Thank you could get gust of wind
• 49:32
  and when walk totem is it when Mark totem and my wind Rush
• 49:37
  totem, you have understood and that's it, they'll come to
• 49:39
  evaluate and lunge, you get Farrell lunged, you can get all
• 49:43
  three and abilities. Oh and dude because In the main
• 49:46
  tree is Spirit Walker's, Grace. So you can screw Walker's Grace,
• 49:50
  right? With the Sprint at the
• 49:52
  beginning, you can do your your wind Rush totem.
• 49:57
  You can do the gust of wind, right?
• 50:02
  And then you could also go into call the elements and reset your
• 50:07
  wind Rush totem to do it all over again.
• 50:10
  Yeah. Right.
• 50:11
  Like it's yeah like shamans are set and it and it still The
• 50:15
  point that if you choose feral lunge in the enhancement tree, I
• 50:19
  feel like you're wasting your point but it's yeah, yeah you
• 50:23
  still definitely are but you still have that option available
• 50:26
  to you as an Enhancement Shaman which is you know that it's only
• 50:29
  enhancement that has that but even still the options that are
• 50:32
  available to all shamans order to be able to, you know, just
• 50:36
  get around. Like no one stands a chance like
• 50:39
  they would put demon Hunters to shame with that.
• 50:42
  Not. And that's saying something
• 50:44
  that's not quite right. Not.
• 50:46
  If you're going to, you're going a little go, a little overboard
• 50:48
  there. When I want, not quite there,
• 50:50
  but there's a lot. You you are, you are right?
• 50:55
  I could see them moving Windwalker, wind Walker's, Grace
• 51:01
  out of the main tree and maybe do some stuff but like it's pure
• 51:06
  utility. You can't move that out of the
• 51:08
  main tree and have that with with the rest o tree and the
• 51:13
  elemental tree. Because then you would literally
• 51:15
  be Using. A utility movement thing over
• 51:20
  pure throughput and that's the reason it can't be in there.
• 51:22
  It's a very strange thing. Yeah, I'm going to say this and
• 51:25
  I'm going to regret saying it immediately.
• 51:28
  Maybe gust of wind, doesn't it doesn't make a return May?
• 51:32
  Yeah, that's the thing that needs to go because that when
• 51:35
  you whenever you choose gust of wind, it's between that and
• 51:42
  what's the it's another Spirit something.
• 51:46
  But it's basically like a, like, a movement school now, he's like
• 51:50
  Sprint. Yeah, I think lease rent.
• 51:52
  It is, the, I can't remember the name of it off.
• 51:56
  The top of my head, I'm beating myself up over it, but I am as
• 51:59
  well and I punch out moment. I think, I think both of those
• 52:05
  options are still way too much. Like I think it should be, it
• 52:10
  should be that because basically, how how Shaman is
• 52:14
  operated up until this point as that Spirit Walkers Grace was
• 52:19
  that one ability, but it changed for enhancement where it was the
• 52:24
  Sprint ability, which is like Spirit, its Spirit Walker
• 52:28
  something. But it was the same ability but
• 52:32
  it just flipped into the like basically the icon changed from
• 52:37
  the ghostly outline of a of a shoo-in to paw prints paw print
• 52:46
  and Anyone that plays Shaman do you, you're gonna know what I'm
• 52:49
  talking about, just based off of that.
• 52:50
  But like either way, I think that, that still should be the
• 52:54
  case where like the option is for.
• 52:59
  Yeah. Okay.
• 52:59
  Just Spirit walk. Yes it.
• 53:01
  Come on. Come on, please.
• 53:03
  Okay. All right.
• 53:06
  But it's already a choice note. It's already.
• 53:07
  Like we're going too deep into Shaman.
• 53:10
  We're going too deep. Yeah, events.
• 53:12
  I feel like, I feel like like you could move that you could
• 53:15
  move spirit. Like into a choice node with
• 53:18
  Spirit workers Grace, but it's already a choice node with gust
• 53:21
  of wind. Yeah.
• 53:22
  But definitely like yeah, person for point.
• 53:27
  Choice node. I don't know it.
• 53:29
  Like, yeah, the mobility is still very strong like the, the
• 53:32
  changes that they've made are warranted.
• 53:37
  Great. I like and the trees are still
• 53:42
  excellent. But without dwelling too long on
• 53:47
  the very specific Shaman issues, we will, we will have to do some
• 53:51
  sort of bonus episode or conversation about it Finch.
• 53:54
  We are very invested in with your Invested in the big
• 53:59
  Limelight goes to Warriors in this week which they got their
• 54:04
  talents and Warrior talents, have learned lessons from the
• 54:09
  shaman talent but have also got some new stuff of their own.
• 54:15
  One thing. That seems quite amazing that.
• 54:19
  I'm so happy to have come back. Our stances in the class tree.
• 54:24
  You have the defensive stance. You have your Battle Stance and
• 54:29
  you have your Berserker stance. Right there.
• 54:32
  Top row, obviously based on which spec you choose you
• 54:36
  automatically, get it. So of course, protection gets
• 54:40
  defensive stance immediately but because stances are there and
• 54:45
  they're top row. You can get a second stance or
• 54:49
  even a third stance by putting a point into that.
• 54:52
  And I think that is amazing. I would love would love to as a
• 54:58
  DPS Warrior, grab my grab my defensive stance.
• 55:01
  Or when we have to like go away from the from the boss, right?
• 55:07
  So I don't have a my up time switching to defensive stance
• 55:11
  reduce all damage that I take blank across the board right?
• 55:16
  Blanket across the board 20%. Hmm, right?
• 55:21
  And survive through like heavy hits or soak damage or that sort
• 55:25
  of stuff, right? And then flip back into like,
• 55:29
  either my Battle Stance or my Berserker stance, I go through
• 55:32
  that I would love if I know I'm in like a boss is going to be
• 55:38
  doing a fear a sap and incapacitate and then being able
• 55:42
  to be like okay let me switch into the Berserker stance.
• 55:45
  Right? And deal with the like the CC
• 55:50
  ability and have it just reduced by 15% or use that same
• 55:56
  Berserker stance as a protection Warrior, right?
• 56:01
  And Increase my auto attacks by 5% so I can like build up my
• 56:05
  rage that much faster. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:09
  It like, so this, this whole thing of them adding the stances
• 56:14
  in for all the Warriors and just just the discussion around the,
• 56:19
  The Clash trees in general. The, it just goes back to what
• 56:24
  we were talking about last episode, right?
• 56:26
  With The Druids, or was it the episode before?
• 56:30
  I think it was two episodes back.
• 56:31
  Back. But okay recently there were
• 56:33
  talking about Druids either. Yeah, either way.
• 56:36
  But what we were talking about specifically with setting up the
• 56:39
  Clash trees to allow players to to have heroic moments in
• 56:47
  encounters like this. It doesn't cost you anything to
• 56:52
  put talents into these into these, or put points into these
• 56:55
  talents in The Clash tree because all of Almost will get,
• 57:01
  will touch on this in a second with the warrior because they
• 57:03
  did do something else that we probably should discuss, but I'm
• 57:07
  getting a bit ahead of myself. The the points that we're
• 57:12
  putting into our class trees, almost always don't really have
• 57:18
  anything to do with throughput. It's all about defensive and and
• 57:23
  like movement. And just utility in general, is
• 57:28
  the main focus of These trees and the like both adding in what
• 57:35
  they've added in for Druids to be able to to, you know, hold
• 57:38
  their own in a separate role. Other than what they, what
• 57:43
  they're, you know, supposed to fit into with their chosen
• 57:45
  specialization. With these stances also being
• 57:50
  added in is a direct indication that that's exactly what they're
• 57:54
  going for their going for allowing people to be able to
• 57:58
  pull off things. They wouldn't normally be able
• 57:59
  to do. And have these moments where,
• 58:03
  you know, You and your you and your, you know, best friend in
• 58:09
  the entire whole world, you're both playing Warrior, and one of
• 58:14
  you like you're both DPS Warrior.
• 58:16
  But one of you is playing arms is playing Fury and you have
• 58:21
  your set up to where you have, you know, mostly mostly the
• 58:26
  defensive stance and then and then your Berserker stance stuff
• 58:28
  and you're going through and you're doing doing Fury where
• 58:33
  your stuff. It doesn't take.
• 58:35
  Way from your ability to do damage with the talent choices
• 58:40
  that you make are, you know, potentially doesn't have the,
• 58:44
  the harm of taking taking something or the, in other
• 58:48
  words, taking a trap that would prohibit you from doing your
• 58:52
  full DPS or at least shouldn't, right?
• 58:58
  But you have the option to swing into two like a tank.
• 59:05
  Goes down unexpectedly, right? Before a taunt swap supposed to
• 59:08
  happen. Guess what you pop defensive
• 59:10
  stance? You taught the boss and now you
• 59:13
  can soak that hit long enough for a resurrect to go off or a
• 59:19
  battle. Rest to go off on the tank that
• 59:20
  died. That is, that is so through
• 59:23
  there. There's like a boss is about to
• 59:25
  do a big ability and you as a DPS Warrior could like, do the
• 59:30
  taunt and rather than take the hit, do your spell reflection
• 59:33
  because you could get spell reflection.
• 59:35
  Yes, as a talent, and then do massive amount, save the tank
• 59:39
  that wasn't didn't have a defensive for it.
• 59:41
  Like, yes, there's the moments of greatness.
• 59:43
  There are ways to specialize with the talents that are really
• 59:47
  good. The big thing that I find about
• 59:51
  the warrior tree is that it is a mix of the ability to cross over
• 59:56
  to like all these different things and a bit of the funnel.
• 1:00:01
  When you are at the first tear that one that is fully available
• 1:00:04
  at the beginning. There's a lot of crossover in
• 1:00:07
  this tree, but when you're in the second tier, it's very
• 1:00:11
  funneled. Like there are clearly the
• 1:00:13
  protection, the fury, and, and all of those trees are pretty
• 1:00:19
  much zero cross over, but you can cross over before that.
• 1:00:23
  But then you get down to the 20 point line and when you unlock
• 1:00:27
  that the four options that are available, are something that we
• 1:00:32
  haven't quite seen before, they are straight.
• 1:00:35
  Stat line stuff. So the four choices are between
• 1:00:39
  getting cruel strikes which will give you crit and you can put
• 1:00:42
  points into that, the reinforced plate, which will give you
• 1:00:45
  armor, that is a percentage of your strength and you can put
• 1:00:49
  points into that endurance training, which is stamina.
• 1:00:53
  And again, this is coming out of the protection line that was
• 1:00:56
  their right or quick thinking, which is haste and this is
• 1:01:01
  something that we haven't seen in other trees.
• 1:01:04
  We've seen a little Bit of it in the Mage tree that came out
• 1:01:08
  recently, where you have those tombs of an tinnitus or the
• 1:01:11
  tombs of Rohan which are Ronin. Sorry, Rohan wrote In, which is
• 1:01:20
  straight crit, or straight haste for Mages, but they weren't
• 1:01:23
  really the choke points. Like these ones are.
• 1:01:26
  And it's, and I think it's very strange.
• 1:01:28
  And these, you have to get, if you want to get down to the
• 1:01:32
  Capstone abilities, and I think the Capstone abilities are very
• 1:01:37
  very I don't want to say Covetous, they're very appealing
• 1:01:43
  like being able to get what used to be Dragon Roar and now
• 1:01:47
  they're calling it thunderous Roar.
• 1:01:50
  Mmm, and being able to get the thunderous aftershocks, which
• 1:01:55
  again is a work in progress as on the alpha.
• 1:01:58
  You can't you can't really use it.
• 1:02:01
  But like it's heavy, solid AOE bleed effects and there's a
• 1:02:07
  couple of things that can like mirror or generate.
• 1:02:10
  Extra blades that are aware grabbing an avatar as a DP, as a
• 1:02:15
  DPS Warrior to get that like increased damage and remove all
• 1:02:19
  the snares. And Roots seems amazing for PVP
• 1:02:23
  or in any kind of thing that needs a burst because like
• 1:02:27
  having that like 20% increase damage for 22nd generating the
• 1:02:32
  30 rage, removing all the snares, right?
• 1:02:36
  And having that as a 1.5 minute cooldown that you rotate, that
• 1:02:39
  is very good. And if you can line that up with
• 1:02:41
  a bunch of other stuff, like there's there's a lot in the
• 1:02:45
  Warrior tree. That is really beautiful.
• 1:02:47
  And that's before you even get into the spec trees and the spec
• 1:02:50
  trees I think are quite solid but again they don't have as
• 1:02:55
  much crossover as the shaman. There's clearly this kind of
• 1:02:59
  discipline thing that's going on where it's like, are you this?
• 1:03:02
  Are you that are you or are you the third option?
• 1:03:05
  Yeah, another thing with with the, The Clash tree For warrior.
• 1:03:12
  What this also opens up because we've been talking about like
• 1:03:14
  the DPS being able to flip over and you know, take a hit for a
• 1:03:19
  tank that you know that Something's Happened and the
• 1:03:23
  whatever tank that needs to do at on Swap, isn't there?
• 1:03:27
  What this also does with the tree opens up as well, is the
• 1:03:31
  ability for for prop Warriors to while they're in there, they're
• 1:03:38
  off tank role whenever They're not actively taking a boss, they
• 1:03:42
  can now also switch and do so much more damage than they would
• 1:03:47
  have been able to normally and there's a lot.
• 1:03:49
  So like you mentioned at that like towards the top of the
• 1:03:52
  tree, there's a lot of ways to get from one side of the tree to
• 1:03:55
  the other towards the middle middle ish, bottom of the tree,
• 1:04:00
  also exists, this ability to kind of switch from from one,
• 1:04:06
  one of the columns into another and I wanted to point out one in
• 1:04:11
  particular, because you mentioned in the, the stat block
• 1:04:14
  row, which is row 84 for The Clash tree.
• 1:04:18
  For warriors, there is one that increases your armor by percent
• 1:04:21
  of your strength leading into, that is another talent that
• 1:04:25
  increases your strength based on percent armor.
• 1:04:29
  So you have talents that are actively feeding off of each
• 1:04:32
  other like that, that are like available to all Warriors,
• 1:04:36
  obviously, but it gives you that flexibility to be able to To
• 1:04:40
  say, okay, I'm going to do something, that's gonna be able
• 1:04:43
  to increase my survivability for my main role, which is tanking,
• 1:04:46
  and also increase my strength, which is going to in turn
• 1:04:49
  increase, my, my damage output, which is going to then, increase
• 1:04:54
  wear armor, which okay. So reinforced plates is the
• 1:04:59
  increased armor by 30% and then when you put the extra point in
• 1:05:03
  it increases further. Yeah.
• 1:05:05
  So for our audience, like who, maybe don't have this in front
• 1:05:09
  of What is the talent there that is?
• 1:05:13
  Increasing your damage or attack power based on your your armor?
• 1:05:19
  Like what does that one? So it's it's a talent called
• 1:05:22
  armored to the teeth which is two rows up from rho.
• 1:05:27
  I so on row 6, and it's all the way on the left hand side.
• 1:05:30
  So you have to go through. You have to go through the
• 1:05:33
  Battle, Stance side of the tree, to get to it, but you still like
• 1:05:38
  you have enough points Within The, The Clash tree that you can
• 1:05:42
  go get all the stuff that you need to in order to get, you
• 1:05:46
  know, to make tanking, you know, your primary thinks you get all
• 1:05:50
  the things that you need to do your job.
• 1:05:53
  Well as a tank and then you can also get enough points through
• 1:05:57
  through the Battle Stance side of the tree.
• 1:05:59
  In order to grab this armed to the teeth, which then you can
• 1:06:03
  feed in to reinforce plates which is the increased armor by
• 1:06:07
  30% of your strength. So it's it is a That of feedback
• 1:06:11
  loop that is definitely obviously.
• 1:06:14
  It's not going to double dip. I'm not sure if it will, if it
• 1:06:19
  will go off of each other. But I do think that in terms of
• 1:06:24
  the warrior, the warrior tree, there is this strange thing
• 1:06:28
  going on. Where, if your protection, it's
• 1:06:32
  easier for you to like spread out. and do a second tree, but
• 1:06:42
  If you are down, if you like a straight down the middle for
• 1:06:44
  protection, you can't get over there.
• 1:06:48
  You have to take one of these side branches to be like am I a
• 1:06:52
  quote, unquote Berserker protection or am IA arms, right?
• 1:06:59
  You kind of have to go down a tree because the branches will
• 1:07:03
  lead you back into gaining some extra protection, but the
• 1:07:07
  branches won't lead out of protection for you to gain some
• 1:07:09
  extra damage. In fact, like, if I was Like do
• 1:07:12
  something that is like two outer ones.
• 1:07:15
  I would have to sort of hollow out the middle and just go down
• 1:07:18
  the side. So it's very much a like I said,
• 1:07:20
  discipline thing, where you can't really feed into the other
• 1:07:26
  disciplines as as late as you can in the shaman.
• 1:07:31
  Last tree. Mmm.
• 1:07:33
  Yeah, definitely true. But even still like it's a, it's
• 1:07:37
  a situation where because defensive stance like it, Isis
• 1:07:42
  your survivability, right? But it also decreases the the
• 1:07:46
  damage that you do by a percentage as well.
• 1:07:48
  So you're probably going to want to pick up one of the other two
• 1:07:51
  stances either way. So it's something that like yes,
• 1:07:56
  it is a little bit more difficult to get out of the, the
• 1:08:00
  middle column and like almost impossible to get out of the
• 1:08:04
  middle column, once you've, you know, putting put points down
• 1:08:07
  into it. But yeah, you're still going to
• 1:08:10
  want to pick up either battle. Orpah, circumstance, depending
• 1:08:13
  on whatever build you end up going with just so that you have
• 1:08:16
  that there, you're not incurring that penalty, that defensive
• 1:08:20
  stance brings with it for when you're not actively taking
• 1:08:23
  something and want to do a little bit extra damage for
• 1:08:28
  sure. And I think that there is
• 1:08:29
  definite reason for all of the DPS guys to then be like okay
• 1:08:34
  let me also pick up another stance especially since because
• 1:08:39
  of the way the tree works if you are.
• 1:08:41
  You are starting on the far left or the far, right?
• 1:08:44
  You cannot get to the other side without picking up another
• 1:08:49
  stance. It's just, it's impossible.
• 1:08:51
  The way the tree it's built. So, like I said, this one is
• 1:08:55
  definitely a regimented thing. It is a different sort of set up
• 1:08:59
  than we saw with the shaman and I felt that the Mage was closer
• 1:09:03
  to the shaman build, but there's been a question of that people
• 1:09:06
  have been constantly asking where it's like, well, shouldn't
• 1:09:09
  the entire lattices or tree That they have built all sort of have
• 1:09:15
  the same normal structure and just put the talents there.
• 1:09:19
  And I really don't think that should be the case.
• 1:09:22
  I think that it should be like the artifact weapons in Legion,
• 1:09:26
  where as you develop it, you're going to get some great things,
• 1:09:29
  but this allows them to tailor the builds in a way that
• 1:09:35
  restrict power in an organic way, based on the class that you
• 1:09:39
  are or to specialization that you Are shamans should be able
• 1:09:44
  to mix elements, a lot and that's reflected in their tree
• 1:09:47
  where as a mage really shouldn't be diving into things that
• 1:09:55
  aren't all of their specialization as heavily and it
• 1:09:58
  should be very much restricted that sort of stuff into their,
• 1:10:03
  into their various specs. So, I think that like it, those
• 1:10:07
  differences, make the classes again, feel different.
• 1:10:12
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:10:13
  But one other thing that is generally happening with the,
• 1:10:20
  with the talents and with all of these things is that there's
• 1:10:25
  been a question about incentivizing interrupts.
• 1:10:32
  One thing that we saw was a tweet that came out where a
• 1:10:36
  developer had said, okay, well, why don't we have this interrupt
• 1:10:41
  for hunters that increases the damage that you do for the next
• 1:10:45
  little bit and you can Talent into that.
• 1:10:48
  Another thing that we see in this Warrior tree, is that, oh,
• 1:10:53
  bringing back the functionality of palm oil, so that when you do
• 1:10:58
  pummel, You will get that. Okay, percentage damage increase
• 1:11:02
  as well. Demon Hunters that both you, and
• 1:11:06
  I have played, right? They have when you do a
• 1:11:09
  successful interrupt, you get a little bit of resources from
• 1:11:13
  that. And it incentivizes demon
• 1:11:16
  Hunters to interrupt. Yeah, and we've also seen that
• 1:11:19
  with the death Knights getting similar thing where they didn't
• 1:11:23
  generate runic power with a successful interrupt as well.
• 1:11:26
  Hmm. And so there's a question, is
• 1:11:30
  this good? Is this bad?
• 1:11:32
  What kind of issues we could we could And I think putting this
• 1:11:36
  into a modifier Talent. Is actually the best way to go
• 1:11:41
  about it for groups that are organized.
• 1:11:45
  You can know ahead of time. It's like, okay, we're going to
• 1:11:49
  have live on interrupt and we're going to put Sun Devils on
• 1:11:54
  interrupt and so live in Sun Devils will say, okay can I find
• 1:12:00
  a point and live will be like, yeah.
• 1:12:02
  Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to switch this around and Find the
• 1:12:05
  point and we'll get some extra resources or extra power out of
• 1:12:09
  doing the interrupt and then Sun Devils will be like I don't want
• 1:12:12
  to touch my talent tree and won't mmm but that's a choice
• 1:12:17
  that you get to make and maybe Sun Devils is dexterous enough
• 1:12:21
  to like, do the quick switch over and in quick switch back
• 1:12:26
  and not lose any damage, right? And so they're like, it didn't
• 1:12:31
  matter for the point or maybe for you.
• 1:12:34
  Are you? It's like, okay.
• 1:12:35
  Well, I do have to like make sure that I'm actually switching
• 1:12:38
  over and walking over there because my interrupt is melee
• 1:12:42
  and so I need that extra thing to make it worth it.
• 1:12:45
  And it'll be basically a fight by fight case that you can make
• 1:12:49
  as the person who's been assigned that role.
• 1:12:53
  I think that's fine in l.a. fire, I don't care if they fight
• 1:12:55
  over it. If there's a lot of stuff to
• 1:12:57
  incentivize it, as long as somebody is doing it, that is
• 1:13:00
  the better. That is the Lesser evil.
• 1:13:04
  Yeah, it is. Better way for it to be.
• 1:13:06
  Yeah, I mean I have I have a couple of different thoughts on
• 1:13:09
  it, like, in general. I think it's a great idea to
• 1:13:14
  incentivize performing mechanics properly.
• 1:13:17
  Like that's, that's always going to be something that that I'm on
• 1:13:20
  board with no matter what. But I think that there is some
• 1:13:24
  Nuance in how its implemented where it's not, it's not
• 1:13:31
  guaranteed that this is going to happen, but it can arise the
• 1:13:36
  situation where you have multiple people on a raid team
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  that do take this talent. That and it I feel like it's
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  less of an issue for demon hunters and death Knights
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  because they don't have to depend on the resource
• 1:13:50
  generation from it. But if it's something like what
• 1:13:53
  we're seeing with Pummel, which is modeled, after the old glyph,
• 1:13:57
  where it's you just get a Percent damage increase for
• 1:14:01
  successfully interrupting a spell.
• 1:14:05
  You're going to have a lot of people fighting over that
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  because that's way more tangible.
• 1:14:10
  It's way more usable in a situation where you just get in
• 1:14:15
  that increase in damage for for that brief period of time.
• 1:14:20
  Like it's got an internal cooldown say it's 30 seconds.
• 1:14:23
  Say it's a minute doesn't really matter.
• 1:14:24
  It's still something that you're going to be wanting to do as as
• 1:14:28
  frequently as possible to make sure that you're getting as much
• 1:14:31
  uptime on that on that buff as you can whereas with resource
• 1:14:34
  generation. And you can't you can't account
• 1:14:38
  for that being in your regular rotation because if you do that,
• 1:14:41
  then if you miss that or you don't have the opportunity like
• 1:14:46
  you just straight up are fighting.
• 1:14:47
  Something that doesn't have the ability to interrupt or that you
• 1:14:51
  don't have the ability to interrupt spell cast that
• 1:14:53
  they're doing. You've got to find that resource
• 1:14:56
  somewhere else. And so you can't you can't
• 1:14:59
  account for that in your regular rotation and you don't really
• 1:15:03
  get to Like maybe, maybe you can shift around like one or two
• 1:15:10
  Global cooldowns and your regular inner regular rotation
• 1:15:15
  to account for that but you can't depend on that in your
• 1:15:18
  regular gameplay and so you're not you're not really going to
• 1:15:22
  and so you don't really get too much of a benefit if it's a
• 1:15:27
  resource generation as opposed to just like a street damage.
• 1:15:32
  Then choose a different Talent. That's the point of the talents.
• 1:15:34
  And if you are in any organized group, right, you can say, okay,
• 1:15:39
  we're doing this fight. I'm on the interrupts group or
• 1:15:44
  I'm a backup. Is this worth me getting the
• 1:15:47
  point? That's the exact same thing with
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  the scenario for Sun Devils. And for you that I said, in
• 1:15:54
  terms of Sun, Devils Sun Devils, like, I don't need the extra
• 1:15:57
  resources, I can quickly tab over Interrupt or set up a macro
• 1:16:03
  that interrupts my focus. Mmm right and continue damaging
• 1:16:09
  this boss because they're right beside each other and I don't
• 1:16:11
  have to travel right or in a different scenario, you're
• 1:16:15
  looking at it and I need to go between here and here and I'm
• 1:16:18
  going to lose up time which means I'm going to lose
• 1:16:20
  resources, which means doing the interrupt will get like get me
• 1:16:27
  those resources back and I can use that to improve my damage.
• 1:16:32
  Right. But then in your scenario, you
• 1:16:34
  could also look at and be like, you know what, I don't do enough
• 1:16:38
  interrupts for this to matter and I should add rather put it
• 1:16:41
  on this. I can't depend on this.
• 1:16:44
  And so I'd rather put the point elsewhere.
• 1:16:46
  That's why you think it's good as a talent.
• 1:16:50
  The this conversation came up in our Discord and I immediately
• 1:16:55
  thought of Pride as Pride as was in, it was a legendary, which
• 1:17:00
  came around and Legion and Not at first and then they did the
• 1:17:04
  rebalancing of legendaries and it became an amazing legendary.
• 1:17:09
  So much haste that you would get out of Pride as and people
• 1:17:12
  started like trying to snipe every interrupt that they could
• 1:17:16
  to get those extra resources. If that's the game, sure, as
• 1:17:20
  long as every single one is interrupted as alright, leader.
• 1:17:26
  I'm not I'm not going to care. I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:17:29
  I will tell people like this is the interruption interrupt order
• 1:17:32
  that I expect and make sure that you're there for that, right?
• 1:17:38
  And yeah, if somebody wanted to say okay I'm in that interrupts
• 1:17:42
  order, I benefit greatly from this so I'm going to do that
• 1:17:45
  that is the choice but at the LF our level one, I don't believe
• 1:17:49
  there will be as many interrupts that are like life-threatening.
• 1:17:53
  To, in general, I would want to incentivize players to interrupt
• 1:17:59
  rather than them seeing it as an annoyance.
• 1:18:03
  Right? And three is that it's an
• 1:18:09
  uncoordinated thing. So, I would rather that thing's
• 1:18:12
  be interrupted at in excess of when they need to then not being
• 1:18:17
  interrupted as as few soon as you get into organized thing.
• 1:18:21
  If you're like, hey, I want to take this talent and I want to
• 1:18:24
  be on the interrupt, then step up and interrupt.
• 1:18:27
  Be the interrupt guy. It's like, oh, we need to
• 1:18:30
  interrupt. Let's go.
• 1:18:33
  Let's go. Manny Europe because you're a
• 1:18:35
  shaman and your interrupt is super short and you don't need
• 1:18:37
  to be in melee, and I will tell it to get extra Advantage off of
• 1:18:41
  that. If that Talent existed for
• 1:18:43
  shamans, which it doesn't write what you could be, as a Demon
• 1:18:50
  Hunter. Be like, oh, actually no, let me
• 1:18:53
  be second on interrupt, right? I'll I'll, I'll make the quick.
• 1:18:57
  Show's over interrupt that or they'll all be stacked on each
• 1:19:00
  other and I'll make it a macro to interrupt my my focus and
• 1:19:04
  that will push my damage that much higher.
• 1:19:07
  And I would love that more than if it's like, oh, I don't want
• 1:19:10
  to spend the time away from my Target because it hurts my
• 1:19:14
  numbers. Mmm.
• 1:19:17
  Yeah, it's all consideration. I think it just needs to be the
• 1:19:30
  The outcome of this needs to be looked at carefully.
• 1:19:33
  So things aren't over incentivize because I'd like
• 1:19:38
  again, there is, there is a stark difference in the benefit
• 1:19:44
  of having a percent damage increase for a successful
• 1:19:48
  interrupt rather than just resource generation.
• 1:19:51
  Yeah. But the resource generation also
• 1:19:53
  scales, right? Like a flat percentage is going
• 1:19:56
  to be a flat percentage. Regardless excluding, you know
• 1:19:59
  players Stuff that might screw up your up time, right?
• 1:20:02
  But in the resource region, generation might be amazing
• 1:20:05
  early in a tear or an expansion where your start for resources
• 1:20:10
  and might be garbage later in the expansion when you're
• 1:20:13
  flooded reads resources, so are they going to retool it for each
• 1:20:18
  tier? Are they just going to put it
• 1:20:20
  through? And it's like, yeah, at the
• 1:20:21
  beginning Warriors, get extra rage and they love this because
• 1:20:25
  they get extra Rage or Warriors. Get a percentage.
• 1:20:29
  Antigen damage and they'll like it all the way through.
• 1:20:32
  Yeah, something else that I had brought up is is having having
• 1:20:37
  it instead of being a individual buff that you give to yourself
• 1:20:41
  like an individual benefit, like have it be some sort of like
• 1:20:46
  like a group-based thing? Where like, shamans enhancement
• 1:20:50
  shamans for example, you get you get windfury totem that you can
• 1:20:54
  have down for your party all the time.
• 1:20:56
  Have it be something similar to that?
• 1:20:58
  Where it's like you Successfully interrupt and it's like oh the
• 1:21:02
  all of your party members get like 1% haste for like five
• 1:21:09
  seconds or something like something.
• 1:21:11
  Something small like that, that incentivizes inside prizes
• 1:21:19
  incentives for the groups that are already, sensitive on
• 1:21:23
  incentivised and also not enough incentive for the people who are
• 1:21:27
  not already incentivized. Oh, I'll get the 1% haste or the
• 1:21:31
  bonus, no matter who interrupts it.
• 1:21:33
  Somebody else take it so I can continue damaging.
• 1:21:37
  Right. The the group benefit of
• 1:21:39
  interrupting is that the spell that would have what we've done,
• 1:21:42
  how much damage to the raid or screwed up the stuff doesn't
• 1:21:46
  happen? That's your group benefit.
• 1:21:47
  It already has a group benefit. This is your personal benefit so
• 1:21:51
  that you want to press the button.
• 1:21:57
  Yeah, but I mean, there's also the group benefit of you are
• 1:22:02
  doing more damage. Personally, if it is that you
• 1:22:06
  didn't get the tank killed, your you're doing the pantheon,
• 1:22:10
  right? There's the Avatar, The Avatar
• 1:22:13
  of War, just throwing neck robots left, right, and center.
• 1:22:17
  And you're like somebody else interrupt it because I don't
• 1:22:20
  want to tab Target, an interrupt that and I want to do my damage.
• 1:22:23
  And if anybody else is interrupting it, Get my one
• 1:22:27
  percent Health, but you know what?
• 1:22:28
  On live if anybody else is interrupting it, you are not
• 1:22:31
  putting that huge debuff on the person who's targeted, right?
• 1:22:37
  So that the healers have to go through so that the raid doesn't
• 1:22:40
  wipe. There is already a group
• 1:22:43
  Advantage for you interrupting that spell.
• 1:22:46
  And yeah, the personal benefit means that you want to press the
• 1:22:50
  button and interrupts and makes you invest it in actually doing
• 1:22:53
  the mechanic The Raid wide benefit.
• 1:22:56
  Is already there. And I've been through enough
• 1:22:59
  Ella far, as to tell you that people still don't put the
• 1:23:02
  interrupt on their bar. Fair enough.
• 1:23:09
  Fair enough. But There is some other stuff
• 1:23:14
  that is more universally, decried, because the drag
• 1:23:19
  Fierce, or ability has been significantly nerfed.
• 1:23:25
  And this is about half the speed being taken out of the sore
• 1:23:30
  ability still on a 5-minute cooldown.
• 1:23:33
  Still has the entire momentum mechanic where you need to build
• 1:23:36
  up the momentum. You need to make sure you're
• 1:23:37
  going at the right angle to maintain the velocity, but
• 1:23:41
  they've, they've removed And the reason given for this is that
• 1:23:46
  they said that outside the dragon Isles, this represented a
• 1:23:52
  huge Advantage. So if you were for some reason
• 1:23:56
  in Chrome, eat I'm like you got a Sink, right?
• 1:24:02
  You did the party sink and went back down into into party, into
• 1:24:06
  cromie time. This would represent an
• 1:24:09
  advantage there. If you are doing pet battling an
• 1:24:12
  old-world content or going around and farming, dungeons to
• 1:24:16
  get from one dungeon to the next, this is a huge Advantage.
• 1:24:21
  Obviously, it's not an advantage in the instance itself because
• 1:24:25
  most instances as far as I'm aware, don't allow Bounce.
• 1:24:30
  Yes. So you can use this or ability.
• 1:24:33
  So yes. But they wanted to tame it down
• 1:24:38
  and so now it is. Yeah, half the speed.
• 1:24:41
  It used to be um it's Alpha. I like I guess people were like
• 1:24:48
  oh this is so cool. And I'm going to be so amazing
• 1:24:50
  and they've lost their little toy but like this Alpha is
• 1:24:53
  definitely the time to make this choice if this had gone live and
• 1:24:56
  people would be like, oh but I've invested in to detract.
• 1:24:59
  There. Now you've done this, it would
• 1:25:00
  have been worse so I don't think that there was a better time for
• 1:25:05
  them to do it. And frankly, like if we make a
• 1:25:11
  stink about this, which I think their reasons are solid there,
• 1:25:15
  there comes a point where they're like, you know what,
• 1:25:17
  we're just not going to let testing go through until we're
• 1:25:21
  way happier with things or where they're going to go back to the
• 1:25:25
  Uber conservative on this stuff before.
• 1:25:29
  Finally, making it good again. I just I like them to be strong
• 1:25:33
  about these things and you go. Okay, this is amazing.
• 1:25:35
  But we got to dial it back a bit and the alpheus.
• 1:25:38
  I think it's a time for that. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:25:41
  It definitely needed to be nerfed like, 100% like you could
• 1:25:45
  just, you could get from the, from the north end of either of
• 1:25:52
  the either calendar or Eastern kingdoms, you can get from the
• 1:25:55
  north side of the to the south side.
• 1:25:59
  Pretty easily. Well, not easily.
• 1:26:01
  Like you would still have to like figure out how to how to do
• 1:26:04
  it. Exactly.
• 1:26:05
  But like it was doable to go like across zones, which should
• 1:26:11
  not should not be the case, you could go across zones in the way
• 1:26:17
  that you would go across. Like, let's say the Barons or Or
• 1:26:24
  like Durrett are but it's a different thing than to say that
• 1:26:29
  you could go across the whole of kalimdor, right?
• 1:26:35
  Like it wasn't that bad but it sure like I'm sure somebody
• 1:26:38
  would have been able to finesse it.
• 1:26:40
  Like someone would have been able to figure out how to do it.
• 1:26:43
  Let's see. It be like a bright Jewel, all
• 1:26:44
  the way down to like on Guerrero or old.
• 1:26:48
  Um let's see. Somebody do it.
• 1:26:49
  I don't think it's possible but I mean not anymore.
• 1:26:52
  I don't think it could happen. More because because they've
• 1:26:55
  already put the Nerf into the sore.
• 1:26:58
  So I don't think it's going to happen anymore, but I don't
• 1:27:01
  think it was ever possible. I just don't, I just I think you
• 1:27:04
  like, it could have been, I think it could it.
• 1:27:07
  Okay. It would still be possible.
• 1:27:12
  Because the angle is still the same.
• 1:27:15
  Hmm, right. They angle that you fly to
• 1:27:19
  maintain your momentum is still the same, the speed reduction
• 1:27:26
  shouldn't affect it. You're still trying to make the
• 1:27:29
  same route. It's just going to take you a
• 1:27:31
  longer period of time, so it should still be possible
• 1:27:34
  mathematically. It's just going to take you
• 1:27:36
  longer to do it and I generally Do not think it was possible
• 1:27:41
  with sore regardless, though, you and I are in agreement had
• 1:27:46
  to be nerfed. I think you're an agreement that
• 1:27:49
  the alpha is the right time to make these big swings.
• 1:27:52
  Yes, very much so, and for those who do not agree with us, feel
• 1:27:57
  free to write into us. The email is that as podcast at
• 1:28:01
  gmail.com, or you can reach out to me that is Adventure live
• 1:28:06
  over on Twitter and say all the time.
• 1:28:09
  He thinks that you want. If you have good feedback please
• 1:28:14
  be nice to me. If you have good feedback I
• 1:28:22
  think you should send that actually to the devs who are
• 1:28:26
  looking at new utility for hunters.
• 1:28:30
  And this potential new utility ability is called Sentinel owl.
• 1:28:35
  So they completely cover this off that this is a potential
• 1:28:42
  placeholder. It is not implemented.
• 1:28:44
  It is not final and it is not a promise talent.
• 1:28:49
  But one thing that they were looking at was having something
• 1:28:54
  where it would Grant you unhindered vision of the target
• 1:28:57
  area, allowing your attacks to ignore line of sight.
• 1:29:02
  For those who think this is familiar, this is because this
• 1:29:06
  is part of the ability of resonating Arrow.
• 1:29:10
  The carrion Covenant ability. They thought that was a very
• 1:29:13
  unique effect and it is actually a very cool effect.
• 1:29:16
  This is the same thing that came from Hanzo from OverWatch, being
• 1:29:20
  able to see around corners and and see that line of sight,
• 1:29:23
  except that you can actually damage through walls and things.
• 1:29:27
  That would normally be like, oh, I don't have line of sight on
• 1:29:31
  that. Well, now, you do and I think
• 1:29:33
  it's such a cool ability and a unique utility ability that I
• 1:29:38
  really want to see that that come in they then go on to say
• 1:29:43
  that there is again potential placeholder not implemented, not
• 1:29:48
  final not a promise Choice node, that would be attached to that.
• 1:29:53
  Which would either a have the unhindered vision of your owl
• 1:29:59
  because this is Sentinel, Wow. Now applies to your party
• 1:30:02
  members allowing them also to ignore a line of sight to the
• 1:30:07
  Target area or be that while the Sentinels active, your party
• 1:30:13
  gained, some leech and avoidance.
• 1:30:16
  Both of these are amazing. Think of think of the Jailer
• 1:30:20
  fight where you have the line of sight around the pillar and now
• 1:30:24
  you can lay this down. And actively damage the the
• 1:30:29
  Jailer rather than all of those really greedy jerks in your
• 1:30:34
  party, that get mind-controlled every time because they gotta
• 1:30:37
  get off one last cast. And, you know, they exist in
• 1:30:41
  every freaking run or using this sort of line, of sight and like
• 1:30:48
  being able to stabilize your party because they all have
• 1:30:52
  leech and avoidance which will help your healers as well.
• 1:30:57
  To be able to, like, he'll around line-of-sight corners,
• 1:31:00
  that they wouldn't be able to see somebody around the pillar
• 1:31:03
  and then use the leech to go through.
• 1:31:05
  So I think this already amazing applications for this in our
• 1:31:09
  12th season for, is it different here?
• 1:31:11
  But in the last dungeon that they put out new Encounters in
• 1:31:15
  and I think that's amazing. So there was a some thoughts on
• 1:31:21
  that and live. Do you want to read this
• 1:31:23
  developer known? Yeah.
• 1:31:25
  So they had said that resonating Arrow from the kurian.
• 1:31:27
  Covenant is neat. It is a neat unique effect
• 1:31:31
  Hunters have to break the line of sight rules.
• 1:31:33
  It's very powerful and PVP situations and situation really
• 1:31:36
  useful in PVE what to keep the ignore line of sight effect.
• 1:31:41
  But do not want to keep the personal or group damage
• 1:31:43
  amplification from resonating Arrow.
• 1:31:46
  Keeping utility as The end not utility as damage, allows it to
• 1:31:50
  be a useful tool when the situation calls for it rather
• 1:31:54
  than something you feel is compelled to stack with other
• 1:31:56
  effects or use on cooldown. Yeah, yeah, and I think that is
• 1:32:03
  that is amazed. I honestly wasn't even thinking
• 1:32:05
  of the PVP applications where. Yeah, so many times somebody
• 1:32:09
  like running around the pillar, you're like, you know what
• 1:32:11
  pillar doesn't exist for you. Get them boys, it would it would
• 1:32:17
  definitely like, add something like it adds an element to PVP
• 1:32:22
  that I think could be interesting but I think
• 1:32:26
  ultimately, it would just make Hunter's Way Too overpowered or
• 1:32:32
  like have to. Like, basically you would run
• 1:32:37
  into a situation where Hunters would be preferred for for arena
• 1:32:43
  situations. It's just noodle Champion we.
• 1:32:47
  I could see a world where this is implemented and then Hunters
• 1:32:53
  are over represented in in PvP because it is just such a
• 1:33:00
  Fantastic and useful ability to have to be able to Grant your
• 1:33:05
  entire party. The ability to just ignore line
• 1:33:08
  of sight like at a area though it's totally terrible because
• 1:33:14
  you're gonna could be like okay you've stopped them from this
• 1:33:17
  pillar they're going to run to another pillar.
• 1:33:19
  It's like if somebody was about to run behind a pillar and you
• 1:33:24
  death, grip them and pull them away from the pillar, or you did
• 1:33:28
  a ring of peace and they can't get around.
• 1:33:29
  Round that pillar anymore. So then they move to the next
• 1:33:32
  pillar or they use a defensive or some other thing.
• 1:33:35
  Like it's got counterplay within it or ready because it's not
• 1:33:40
  immediately being like like I think the more broken one would
• 1:33:42
  be anybody standing in this area, ignores line of sight.
• 1:33:46
  It's any changes in this area we can line of sight to.
• 1:33:49
  And I think that makes it still having significant interplay.
• 1:33:54
  That would allow it to be okay in PvP.
• 1:33:56
  But you know what, I am not the doctor of PVP and Any way, shape
• 1:34:00
  or form. If you have some idea that we
• 1:34:04
  haven't seen or some application that just makes this ode early
• 1:34:07
  broken do let us know, because I'd like to try and use that
• 1:34:11
  before people figure it out themselves.
• 1:34:19
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• 1:35:00
  Each new listeners and expand this audience and through that.
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  Hopefully land, some new interviews and recognition from
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  blizzard. With that said, let's say some
• 1:35:14
  stuff that maybe blizzard doesn't want us to talk about
• 1:35:18
  the blizzard Albini utilisation live.
• 1:35:22
  So with walk us through this. So the vicarious Visions Studio
• 1:35:28
  are formally vicarious visions that has now been brought in to
• 1:35:32
  Blizzard proper to work on Diablo, they have been over the
• 1:35:37
  last few months, they have been starting the process.
• 1:35:42
  Organize their Workforce with with the unions that
• 1:35:45
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• 1:35:49
  I think, is that correct? Okay, or the gwa.
• 1:35:55
  And we have a development this week about their unionization
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  efforts where the gwa has accused Activision Blizzard of
• 1:36:06
  delaying. The recognition of a vote for Or
• 1:36:12
  the studio for blizzard Albany to to unionize saying that that
• 1:36:20
  they need to push back the vote to include the entire Studio
• 1:36:28
  rather than having it be the individual departments that they
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  had been trying to go through, in order to to to try and form a
• 1:36:35
  union. Honestly, they're this Union
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  would be the same that we saw it Raven where it is, the Q&A
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  staff, that would be forming a union and not the entirety of
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  that particular particular production house.
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  So blizzard is asking that everybody but entire hundred and
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  fifty people that are employed at Alba knee, be included in
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  that vote rather than just the subsection of You a workers who
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  have overwhelmingly put forward their wish to unionize and it is
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  a union busting tactic to that's considered, diluting the vote.
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  Again, it's the same thing that happened at Raven.
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  They had to take it to court. It was after that, they had put
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  this through that. They decided that oh, it wasn't
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  a unique and separate group and then Lo and behold the next
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  week. The people who were trying to
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  form this group, their Department got splintered and
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  they were embedded in the other departments as part of what
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  people considered a way to fracture their their voice.
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  That went through Court. Eventually it went through that
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  they could unionize as a separate entity because their
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  duties were distinct enough. It is likely in my completely
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  unprofessional. Not legal, not legally educated
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  opinion. It is likely that this falls
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  into a similar situation. But they are saying that it
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  should not be made by fewer than 15 percent of the employees,
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  which makes up the group that is trying to form with the gwa and
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  say that, given the significant impact that this change could
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  have for roughly 150 people in Alba knee.
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  We believe every employee in Albany who works on Diablo,
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  should have a direct say in this decision.
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  So it again it is them trying to have everybody vote so that they
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  can then hopefully have enough nose to defeat the motion, and
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  this is what they're considering the delay tactic because they
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  have rehired Reed Smith, which is the exact organization they
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  had used with Raven soft and it is an organization that offers
• 1:39:19
  those Union avoidance Union, avoidance servants, e-services
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  not union busting you an avoidance, right?
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  And going through this entire process again, whilst all right
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  and will delay. The, the process of unionizing
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  for this group. Yeah, even even the nlrb the
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  National Labor Relations Board, chimed in and just said, flat
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  out, that ABK has been illegally threatening its staff over
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  discussions that have been had internally.
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  And in slack channels about working conditions and wages
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  that that blizzard has been illegally, threatening the After
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  having these conversations, which is terrible, it's truly
• 1:40:16
  gut-wrenching, that that we're seeing the same thing.
• 1:40:20
  Like it's the same story over and over again, which is sad
• 1:40:25
  because Microsoft, which we're now less than a year away from
• 1:40:30
  them. Supposedly taking over have
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  already agreed to a neutrality with these with the CWA and
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  allowing The different groups to unionize as they see fit and to
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  see the pushback at Activision Blizzard we feel is sad.
• 1:40:49
  But again you you said it there that the NLB had already made
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  determinations and is pushing them to make that thing.
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  And that would again was with the Raven software vote that
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  they were intimidating and making illegal actions there.
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  They're hiring the same firm it just it feels like history is
• 1:41:12
  repeating itself and I am sorry for that.
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  Yeah. But hopefully it ends in the
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  same way with the voices being heard with the court decision
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  coming down and we can move to what I hope is.
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  It is a better thing because this is not the show where I'm
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  going to talk about Labor issues.
• 1:41:35
  Is that if you want to hear me, talk about that, that's where
• 1:41:38
  you go. You going IRL where we talk
• 1:41:41
  about such issues. In fact, we had a interview with
• 1:41:46
  Jessica Gonzalez, who has been a big face in the unionization
• 1:41:51
  process at blizzard with that said, let's, let's end this
• 1:41:56
  show. And hopefully, move on to
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  happier times live. When you are not fighting the
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  good fight, where can people find you?
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  You can find me on my Twitter at Adventure.
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  Live, which is probably changing soon.
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  So do you hold on to your horses there?
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  But outside of that, you can find both myself and Manny and
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• 1:42:28
  different conversations, lots of diverse voices over there and
• 1:42:33
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• 1:42:35
  So if that's something that interests you and you want to
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• 1:42:42
  aside from the Discord, Manny where can people find you?
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  Same place you always do at this point if you don't know.
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  I don't know why I'm wasting my breath but you can find me on
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