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Preview Beterbiev vs Bivol 2, Ortiz vs Madrimov, Dubois vs Parker Full PPV Card! Keyshawn's KO! · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, what up, boxing fans. This is the Rope of
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Doube Radio Podcast. I am your host, Chris Carlson. We
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: are live on a Tuesday night. I hope everybody's doing okay.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Hopefully this sound is okay. I'm trying to figure this out.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: I got a new computer and so I'm doing my thing.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: You know, It's all I can do is hope that
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  Speaker 1: you guys can hear me. Anyway. We will start by,
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: you know, breaking down what happened over the weekend. Kishan
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Davis scored a nice not help. We'll talk about a
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: little bit of the undercard as well. We'll break down
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: round by round recap for Catererall and Barbosa, and then
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: of course we got a preview the blockbuster weekend from
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: Sadi Paterpeev and Beval the rematch. We got a couple
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  Speaker 1: of heavyweight fights on there or tease. Madrabob is a
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: phenomenal fight. So yeah, really really looking forward to this card.
• 1:05
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  Speaker 1: like I said, if the sound is messed up, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I may have to get a different mic for this
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  Speaker 1: new computer.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it kind of feels like.
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  Speaker 1: It is what it is though, right, that's part of
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  Speaker 1: updating your stuff and all that good stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get to the Catterall fight first before
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  Speaker 1: we get into the other stuff. I thought this was
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  Speaker 1: a very competitive fight. The scorecards I thought were fairly,
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  Speaker 1: fairly fair. The first three rounds were pretty slow. There'd
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: be only like little spurts of some back and forth,
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  Speaker 1: mostly like in the later part of the round, the
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  Speaker 1: second and third.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: So I had Caterall up two to one after three.
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  Speaker 1: Could you have it, you know, two to one Barbosa?
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't, That wouldn't shock me, right, I did give
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  Speaker 1: Barbosa the fourth round, you know, Like I said, some
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: back and forth, but overall I just thought that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I thought he I thought he won the round there
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  Speaker 1: and the scoring panel had it three to one, all
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: three to one.
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  Speaker 2: For Catall after four rounds.
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  Speaker 1: The fifth round was one of those kind of like
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  Speaker 1: some of the early ones, just a non eventful round.
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  Speaker 1: So which one do you give it to? It's a
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  Speaker 1: good question. I did give the sixth to Catall. I
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  Speaker 1: thought Barbosa had some early busy work and he landed
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  Speaker 1: like a late right hand that might have stole the round.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought the hard shots, multiple left hands that
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  Speaker 1: landed clean for Catall did enough for me personally. Seventh
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  Speaker 1: round a very competitive round. The fifth not too much happening,
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  Speaker 1: but the seventh was close being competitive, so that could
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  Speaker 1: be maybe a give one and one, you know. The
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  Speaker 1: eighth Barbosa I gave him. You know, I thought he
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  Speaker 1: was busier. He had the jab going, landing some really
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  Speaker 1: solid shots to the head and body, and it seemed
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  Speaker 1: like Barbosa was switching it up a little bit more and.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like bringing more pressure than he had before.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Catall that eighth round, although he landed
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  Speaker 1: some clean left I just don't think he was active enough.
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  Speaker 1: I did give Catral the ninth left hands landing bigger,
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  Speaker 1: better shots, basically a few nice shots and just you know,
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  Speaker 1: busy work in the ninth, but that wasn't enough for Barbosa.
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  Speaker 1: The tenth I gave to Barboza, a right hand to
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  Speaker 1: the head was the best land of the round. There
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  Speaker 1: was like a late trip, no knockdown type thing late
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  Speaker 1: in that, you know, in that round right at the
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: end of the round. If I remember correctly, The eleventh
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  Speaker 1: was close. Maybe Catterall landed the bigger shots very close,
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  Speaker 1: though I gave it to Catterall.
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  Speaker 2: And of course I gave the twelfth.
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  Speaker 1: To Barboza, you know, left hooks to close the round,
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  Speaker 1: two of them, I believe, and just busier, so I
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: gave it there. I mean, honestly, six six, six '
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  Speaker 1: five to one. I think the tops you could go
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  Speaker 1: is seven to five. I wouldn't go any any higher
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  Speaker 1: than that, So yeah, either way, six six would have
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  Speaker 1: been fine with me. You know. I had five to
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  Speaker 1: five in their swing rounds, you know, So the fifth
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  Speaker 1: and seventh were close. The first was kind of close,
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  Speaker 1: so the scorecards read all seven five, two of them
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  Speaker 1: for Barboso. So I did think Caterall snuck it out,
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't like, you know, it was clean, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So we'll talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about the undercard a little later. I do kind of
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: want to get to some of that ESPN stuff as well.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with Ziaz and uh SPOONNERN. Right, this was
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: a pretty good fight for him, uh Spomer, you know,
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  Speaker 1: solid fighter and whatnot. Ziaz I gave him the first
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  Speaker 1: two rounds for sure. He had the one two going.
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  Speaker 1: He bloodied his no nos pretty early. You know.
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  Speaker 2: The second round had some two way stuff to it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's not like uh Spoemer wasn't having any success.
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  Speaker 1: The third round another fairly competitive round, still gave it
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: to Zairez, though the fourth round I gave to Spomer.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: There was a low blow there, you know in the round,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, like I don't know like it was
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: let's see that so let me look, I'm looking at
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  Speaker 1: the wrong round. I think, oh, that's what it was.
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  Speaker 1: So Zaiaz was very dominant until the last part. It
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: was a clean right hand in an exchange that was
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: you know, could that have won the round for him?
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  Speaker 1: I could see given it desires just because he was
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: so dominant. But you know, when it comes to the
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: hardest shot, I think you could make that argument, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because he was really busy Ziez. I think he lan
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: They said forty one punches in that round, so I
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  Speaker 1: could totally give it to Zaias two. I thought the
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: fifth was pretty close. The sixth maybe was there a
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: that was another low blow, but he did kind of
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  Speaker 1: I think it was in the fifth round. Maybe it
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  Speaker 1: was maybe he's in the sixth, but he pushed his
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: head down. Spowman pushed his head down, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: that could kind of go either way. And the shot
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  Speaker 1: really when you looked at it, they replayed it and
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: everything was it was borderline, you know. I think Zaia's
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: overall had his offense and defense going down the stretch
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  Speaker 1: of this fight the seventh and eighth in the body work,
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  Speaker 1: I mean there was a point after five rounds or
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  Speaker 1: six I think it was five rounds forty nine to
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  Speaker 1: three when it came to the body. Ninth round, Zaias
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  Speaker 1: land in an early right hand, left hooks as well,
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  Speaker 1: and then a left hand to the body her him
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  Speaker 1: definitely hurt Spomer and then like a flurry of shots
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  Speaker 1: in the fight was over. Now wasn't an early stoppage.
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  Speaker 1: I think you can make the argument that it was
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: an early stoppage. Clearly Spomer was hurt, but sometimes I
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: just don't think it would hurt to, you know, to
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: let the fight go a little bit longer. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was a good performance by Xander's eyes.
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  Speaker 1: He talked about wanting Fandora and whatnot, so we'll get
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: into some of that stuff too, But uh, Davis and
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: Brinshick and Davis looked so big at one thirty five. Now,
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: the jabbed to the stomach in the first round. In
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  Speaker 1: the second round, early right hands right when Brinshick was
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: stepping in, got got clocked. He did land like a
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  Speaker 1: right hand to the head late, but the short uppercut
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  Speaker 1: was a nice shot that you know, definitely like made
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  Speaker 1: it where you know Davis. He had to give Davis
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  Speaker 1: the second round, third round left hook to the body
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  Speaker 1: kind of folds over on the ground, so he did
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  Speaker 1: score a knockdown. There was like in the middle, a
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: little bit of two way stuff, but lan combinations from
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  Speaker 1: Davis clearly ten eight round and then a combo to
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  Speaker 1: the body and it's like a left hook to the
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: head and then to the body and that was a rap, dude.
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  Speaker 1: So Davis now makes quick work of a very solid,
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: crafty fighter, which I thought he you know, I thought
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: Barnshik had a good chance to to make it, to
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: make it the full distance. I did say that, and
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: I was wrong, you know, Davis, Man, Wow, that was explosive.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: That was that was a great, great performance.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: And like I said, the last two times out, you
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  Speaker 1: know that was that was only what is thirteenth fight
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, that was his thirteenth fight
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: in the last two times out man, you know, to
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: score quick knockouts over Lamo's, Gustavo Leamos and.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: Then Branshi it that shit.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: Like the Pedraza fight was good obviously, aged.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: You know, the fight after that went ten rounds.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: Like he's just putting it all together.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: And I think they've you know, like squared him off
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: against solid competition. And now you do have you know,
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: like Mrtajev and you do I guess you could say
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Loma as well. You have some other fighters there that
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: you can make could definitely make the fights, you know
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So you know, yeah, cruise there as well.
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: Obviously you have Davante. I don't think that fight's gonna
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: happen next per se, right, But man, two times in
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: a row now he's just and even beyond those fights.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: You know, ten rounder kind of was like look good,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: look kind of in between and then look good. You know,
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: the that ten rounder was just okay, it was pretty good.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: But three out of the last four fights, man, he
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: just looked he's really looked phenomenon. Like I am very
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: impressed with keishaon Davis, And like I said, I don't
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: think he's gonna get the Jervonte fight next, But man,
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: this kid is really really really putting up, putting putting
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: up some some great shows man knockouts. And you know,
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: he didn't take much time to get going this fight
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  Speaker 1: at all. Like I said, I like the jab right
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: to the body. Jared Anderston didn't really impress me much
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: on this one. Vito.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: I thought Vito won the fight.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: And actually let me, Uh, I see John coming in here,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: so let's get John in there. He should be popping
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: in any second. Now. Hey, what's going on? John? How
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: the hell are you? Man? How goes it?
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: Chris? How are you not bad?
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: Not bad?
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Uh? Still kind of working out the kinks on this
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: new computer. Yesterday the mic was sounded great, open it up,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: get it going today and it just wasn't working. It
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: just wasn't working. So I just decided to just you know,
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: it is a brand new computer and stuff, with a
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: you know, a new chip and everything.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: It's got the most updated things.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: So I figured, oh, the microphone itself will do better
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  Speaker 1: than what my MIC was doing. So I think I
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: needed to upgrade my MIC with this. I think there's
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: a little issue with that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can do that. It'll it'll work out in
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: the end. It's always tricky transitioning, but yeah, you might,
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: as you said, maybe maybe just getting a good quality MIC,
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: which isn't really all that expensive, right exactly.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: I think it might take care of a computer, and
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: that mic lined up a lot better with that computer
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: because now it's just like the mic I have that's
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: worked so well all these last couple of years, it's just.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Like, nope, not happening. So so how are things going
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: in general? Obviously we have a couple of fights to
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: talk about from this last weekend, and then we have
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: a blockbuster card coming up. You know, one of the
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: fights that I wasn't overly excited for isn't gonna happen now,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like, well, that really doesn't hurt it. It
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  Speaker 1: could be one of the other fights that I'd be
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  Speaker 1: more effective by. You still want to see, you know,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: chicor going against a better fighter than what he's ultimately
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: sounds like he's going to. But yeah, I'm really excited
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  Speaker 1: for the for the for the fight we can coming
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: up overall.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the you know, it's the big month. We were
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: talking about going into it. Now we're in the midst
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  Speaker 3: of it, and we're getting to come. We're getting coming
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  Speaker 3: on to not only the main event this weekend, but
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: the main event of the month, which is this card
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: on Saturday twenty second. But yeah, the Stevenson fight with Showfield.
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  Speaker 3: That's current news that just fell out within the last
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  Speaker 3: few hours. But I didn't see any scenario whatsoever where
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: that fight was going to be entertaining. I think where
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: it hurts is just, you know, a lot of these
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Saudi cards haven't been high on us sensibilities. This one
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: you had or Tease fighting and then you had Showfield
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and Stevenson. But now, oh, you may have Stevenson fighting
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: a lesser opponent. Not that Showfield was a legit contender
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: at this point anyway, but he was a prospect or
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: you may maybe they won't find anybody for him fight
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: and he won't be fighting. Now that's a bit of
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: a blow for the US sensibilities as it would just
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: leave or tease, and of course, you know in other
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: parts of the world not looking at as much. But
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: with all the the US drives in terms of viewership, money,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: things like that, it's it's always got to be considered
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: a factor. So you know, I think it the stevens
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: In fight being detracted kind of as the event. It
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: hurts a bit for US sensibilities. But I didn't see
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: any way style wise that that fight was going to
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  Speaker 3: be any good. I just could not see any scenario.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: So in that sense, some of the detractors that are saying,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: who really cares? I do kind of get that. But
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: the other side of that coin is like him or not.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, Stevenson for this era has been getting decent
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: ratings in the US before going over the match room,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: and certainly boxing in the US needs that. So even
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: in the fights that we were all complaining we're boring,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: he was getting ratings relatively speaking, so the guys bringing
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: something that's legit, and he was an Olympian silver medalist,
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  Speaker 3: So I think it does it does hurt this a
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: bit in the US.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point. It was like the whitest
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: odds on the card, right, But that is true. It
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: is two Americans. But it's also true what you said
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: about the style. I could really see it being a sloppy,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: sloppy fight where Shakoor is gonna get off some punches,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: maybe like pot shot jab type stuff, but also just
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: getting smothered. And you know, because Schofield has that smothering
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: thing where sometimes he smothered kind of like a poor
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: man's sean porter when he was in transition, trying to
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: learn how to not smother his his own punches, you know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: but he kind of takes it to the extreme, although
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I will say recently he did box pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's a good point.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: It probably was gonna be, you know, a fairly like
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: contained fight or whatever. But there is something to be
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: said about, you know, a young, unbeaten fighter and and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: how people would respond. And Shakoor, like you said, is
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a very popular fighter, and you know, or you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: somewhat popular, that's for sure from the US sensibility. So yeah,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that that does suck, and you know, feel's father, there's
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: something stuff he'll say it's just like, dude, what do
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you you know? And all of a sudden, like he
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: got poisoned, you know, like s Court poisoned him, and.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: It's just like, what are you doing?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Dude? I always and you don't have to comment on
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: any of this, but I ever since I've seen him
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: for these last few years, always be in the interview
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: with his son like he's a teenager or like he's
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: like fourteen or something. You know, it's like, let him
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: do his own interview, dude, Like, I don't know that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: There's just certain things that just troubled me about the guy.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't help anything. And just to you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you better have some proof he was talking about like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the Barry Bonds cream and stuff like that. It's like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: now they're putting cream in your system. It kind of
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: sounds like you're making excuse like it just I don't know.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I guess we live in that time.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Well, I agree the way it played it, it is
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: a bit disturbing the way played it out. I agree,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: because you know, you had apparently Shakurse Stevenson's saying on
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: a podcast with andre Ward that he thought that Schofield
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: didn't want to fight and he was going to pull out.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you could say, well maybe Stevenson was hearing
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: word he was sick or something. And I saw some
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: people defending Schofield saying well, oh it's the British Board
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: of Boxing can control. But you know, look, boxing is
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: the most dangerous sport. If the guy says he's if
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the guy says he's sick and he's reporting some symptoms
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: or something, and even if he goes to a local
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: er or something like that. Like I always say the
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: lawyer part of me, but it's legit. I mean, ill illnesses,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: you know, are are not proven in court, you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: even the Silver Realm without medical medical evidence and ultimately
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: medical testimony. You know, it doesn't go on just what
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: somebody says. So my mind's trained like that. But it
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: does apply to boxing really, I mean, the the comebacks
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: just still as well. They've got the right to keep
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: their medical stuff private. Yeah, but if you but what
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: then people throw out as evidence doesn't like convince me
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: as an attorney, you know, like I'm not saying he's
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: not sick either, but like then somebody says, oh the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: British Border Box and control, Well what is the British
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Border Box and Control going to say no, no, you're
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: really don't appear to be sick. You're you're going to
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: get in you know, you're going to get in there
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: in Saudi Arabian and fight anyway. I mean, you know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: come on, I mean, that's that's not going to happen either.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: So the timing, you know, since Stevenson was already making
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: these comments, and like you said, Floyd Senior with the
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: strange comments that are certainly silly, makes you slightly wonder
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: if there is any truth to he got, you know,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: intimidated at the last moment too big of a step up? Yeah,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: cold feet about too big of a step up. I
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: would submit if that was the case. I'm not saying
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: it was. But where it might be mistaken is you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: even though you're correct, Christ this was the really only
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: real big wide, not competitive according to the odds makers
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: fight on paper. I just saw it as a fight
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: that was going to be like so dull and with
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: so few punches landed that you know, Schofield does have
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: some skill and some talent. I wasn't going to pick
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: him or anything, but to me, it did have a
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: little bit of the fuel that kind of fight, like
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: maybe he just stays in there for the distance and
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Stevens is not really landing much at all, which is
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: perfectly something he's perfectly capable of doing in a fight.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: He's so defensive orient you know, defense oriented that you know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: maybe you steal, you know, maybe you got a no
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: crowd atmosphere there, that type of thing, and maybe you
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: maybe you steal a decision or something like that. I
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: wasn't gonna pick him, but you know, in that sense.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: In other words, it's not like he was taking a
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: huge step up that might be over his head against
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: some murderous puncher, right yeah, like you know, he's fighting tank.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: He's fighting tank. Let's face it, not even to say
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: how Stevenson a tank matchup, but it's not. It's not
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: something like that he's taking a massive step up and
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: guy's gonna blow him out and right, you know around
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: if he's not ready or something like that. I don't
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: think we were dealing with that here, but you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: we'll see. He could just be sick too. On the
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: other hand, everything can't be a conspiracy, and sometimes that's
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: that's just what happens. I mean, people get sick, obviously,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: he could have gotten sick over there, so well, well,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: who knows, but we're gonna lose one fight of interest,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I guess we we would have to say that.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, luckily there is plenty of other ones that go around.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, luckily we got a lot.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, before we get into it, let's start with tish
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: on Davis and some of the action on that undercard.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Keyshawn delivered again.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: You know, he didn't really take his time in this one.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: He actually got to it pretty quick. What'd you think
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of the headliner? And then we can talk about Zaiaz
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and and Vito and whatnot.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: It was a kind of a classic where you know,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Keyshawn Davis, as I've been saying in recent years and
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: especially with top rank, now we know that deal is
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: going to end, you're running out of your view, your
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: opportunities for exposure on that deal. It's in New York,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: key Shawnavid Davis understood the assignment and you know, got
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: him out of it in four rounds. He was a
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: heavy favorite. Even though people were talking up the fight,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: the odds makers weren't that sold on the matchup. You know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Keyshawn was a big favorite, but he he took care
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of business as a big favorite again you know, forget
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: the alphabet belt, but against a guy in Baranschick who
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: was at least like a legitimate bottom part of the
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: top ten light lightweight and tender, I got him out
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: of there. So I thought, Davis, you know, LOOKO did
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: everything he needed to do. But you just have to
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: say it because we saw the fight. I mean, that
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: was a dreadful effort from Branchick. I mean, you know
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: a guy has amateur pedigree, silver medallist, you know, undefeated
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: as a pro, but hadn't looked that great. You know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: got by Navarete. I wasn't underdog, fair decision, but wasn't
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: a dominant decision. I could have seen a case of
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: naverrete in that. And and Branchick hasn't looked a good
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: in his other fights. He doesn't bring any pop, and
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: you know in the pro game, thirty six years old,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: but still with his amateur pedigree, at least coming off
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: a win against Navarete, you expected more. And I that
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: that really that was a that was a poor effort.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I mean that that looked like a guy who knew
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: he was thirty six years old and was like they
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: decided this is going to be the top of the
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: mountain of paydays for me. And uh, okay, you know
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I'm getting I'm getting hurt to the body here a bit.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: That that's you know that that's enough Davis. No fault
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: of Davis. He did what he needed to do, and hey,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: the guy guy wasn't enjoying getting hitto the body go
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: back down there and it ended it. But h Davis
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: understood the assignment, got it done. But but do have
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: to say where you have to call it and you
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: see it. That was a that was a terrible effort
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: from Branchick.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. That is true.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: He didn't really show many of the skills that he
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: had shown against an.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Aggressive fighter in his last fighter.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Or even like yeah, barely was. He wasn't moving well
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: when he did get hit. He kind of just you
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: know that first knockdown.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the first knockdown. I mean they were saying, yeah,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: the body shot. He just kind of like folded over
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: down the first one already.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Kind of low as it was, and.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Then you know, you know, you never know, we're not
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: in the ring, we're not feeling it. But the second
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: one was like he got hit with a body shot,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: like it was like he got hit, you know, but
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: it was just kind of again you you never know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: you're not in the body. But putting that together with
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the one he went down with from the first time,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: you know, you feel a little more comfortable. He's just saying, like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: just look like a body shit, you know, look like
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: a body shot. And fight was, fight was over. And
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: he didn't land any punches significance, really didn't didn't really
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: even throw any punches. Just he's not a puncher. But
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: still that's one of those ones again, like I say,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: where I really and give a bad grade on the
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: report card is like when I see a fighter with
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: their skill set fighting in a way that there's no
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: way for them to win. Like in other words, you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Bransha can't punch's he's not knocking Keyshon Davis out with
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: one shot late or hurting him later in the fight
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: or picking it up. So what's the plan? You know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: even though we're only four rounds in, what what was
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: the plan for victory? You know, it's more like he's
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: just there and there is no plan. There is no
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: real plan for victory. So but Keyshon Davis, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: you give him an a for understanding assignment, not letting
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Branchick hang around and you know, taking advantage of the
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: chance to shine and upping his stock. So the other
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: side of it for him, you know, he gets he
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: gets an A for what he did.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I really thought at least the first two rounds,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: that maybe even three, that you know, Branchick would win
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: two out of three or whatever. It really thought he'd
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: come up with a jab and some busy work and right,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you know, but yeah, he was barely Yeah, he just
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't moving well. He just I don't know, man, It's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: just it's crazy how you can just fall off like
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: that as far as, like you said, overall performance. But
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to take any away from
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Davis because, like you said, he saw what was in
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: front of him and he really wasn't hesitant. Took him out.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And now you know, they do have Martaya and the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: guy he's fighting abdu Leva or something like that. Uh,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: there's Andy Kruz in there, and then obviously Javonte Davis.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think Davis is next, but I
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: sure would hope that they keep stepping him up because I, like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you know, it's only his thirteen fight John, and I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: do like how they've stepped him up, especially recently really
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: after that Pejraza fight. So hopefully maybe he get the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: winner of that fight that's supposed to happen and just
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: been a couple of months, and then they'd be basically
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: on the same timeline.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: What are your what are your thoughts in general?
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Uh, you know where he could go because well I liked,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you know, as I've said, with all these fighters and
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Keishawon Davis included, and then fight kind of fit that.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: You know, he was a heavy favorite. But it's still
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: at least we're getting into the contender ranks. Like you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: let's let's just stop this the stay busy stuff and
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the showcase and let's just you know, accelerate the careers.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: These guys are ready. Let's let's you know, keep keep
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: the top matchups. Like this isn't a good example, like
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: we don't want to see now. We feel like Davis
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: is stepping up, as you said, you know, let's not
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: have a no hoper and then say, oh, he's making
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: an appearance or these alphabet fans say like, well, he's
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: got the right to make a defense of his title,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: you know, like I mean no, you know, you got
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: all these other guys in the division. Nobody's looking at
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: him as as the champ. I mean, so keep stepping
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: it up, you know, you keep keep stepping it up
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: market yourself the same way by beating at least some
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: some credible opponents, and you know, keep it going. Let's
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: not let's not stall out here. So you know, I
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: don't know, I'm guessing when you look at where the time,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: and this would apply to a guy like Davis. You
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: look at like when the top rank ESPN deal is
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: going to end, it's not going to go through the
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: whole summer. But in recent years, you know, before football
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: gets in full force in the US, top ranks kind
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: of accelerated some shows in the summer months to fill
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: programming for ESPN. So just saying, if you want to
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: be optimistic, Aaron in top rank should try to get
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: these guys if they're really looking ahead, try to get them,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: even though it's on a network they're leaving, but you
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: want the exposure, you know, so try to get get
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: these guys like Davis back one more time against a
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: good opponent. I mean, marketing wise, future wise, that's what
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I would do I'm not saying they're going to do it,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: but get them on there before the deal ends one
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: more time, it would be would be you know, a
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: good next step.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean he didn't have a you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: some sort of brutal.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Fight or something like that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he could definitely come back by the summer.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: What do you think of Xander's eyes?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: And by the way, that's what we talked about body
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: shot when he landed that body shot and it was like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you know, he turned out and now that you can
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: see her, you know what I mean? I thought, But
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: what do you think because for a while I thought
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: he looked pretty good early then Spoemer had some had
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: some you know, had some success.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: But I think just the body.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Work over all was just h It didn't seem like
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: this guy was on his level because he landed like
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the stat was like some kind of crazy like forty
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: nine to three.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: To the body or something like that. Well, what'd you
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: think of this.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Spomer wasn't that good? That's why you know, Broy Jones
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: in the corner. They kept trying to emphasize that because
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: that too much else of a storyline there, and he
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: hasn't beaten anybody. But I do think even though Baranchik
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: much more accomplished, Like you look at those the two fights.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think Spoehmer was trying to fight. He
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: was trying to hang in there more. I think the
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: stoppage might have been Prematurely, I think he was legitimately,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think he was acting. I think he was
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: legitimately kind of protesting it right when it got stopped,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: like I think he was ready to continue. So stoppage
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: was a little quick. You know, Zia's got the KO,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: but it was late, and like with the stoppage, I
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: did think was a little premature. I kind of I
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: like Zia's you know, when he was a teenager coming up.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I'm more in the camp that something seems to have
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: leveled off for me with him, because even though he's
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: still young, early twenties, he's had enough fights it shouldn't matter,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: It really shouldn't matter at this point. So I feel
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: like something's leveled off there with him. And I felt
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: that again in this fight, like really as he's just
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: stepped it up just slightly, not even real big steps,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: like the fights are less entertaining. He generally doesn't seem
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: to be hurting the opponents, and you know, we're kind
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: of grinding it out, and he looks okay but doesn't
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: really wally you and he to me seems leveled off.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I'm really not that high on him at this point.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's bad or anything, but it's not
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: that he's got some talent. But I'm not really all
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: that high on him. It just it stayed kind of
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: where it's at to me now for too many fights,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: and it does He's starting to almost get to look
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: like where if he really steps it up against somebody tough,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: he's gonna have trouble.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because to your point, he's that was his twenty
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: first fight twenty one to oh, like you said, the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: guy Spoemer did come to fight, no doubt about that,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: but he wasn't you know, he just wasn't on the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: same level or even really bad. Right, You're it? So
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you got to give the guy credit because I agree,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I would have liked to see the fight go on
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: more so he could actually earn the stoppage because he
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: was well on his way to it.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: He still might have stopped him.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, because that, I mean, the body numbers are
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, my gosh, like, how much more can
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: this guy take? And even when he slumped over, he
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: stayed up, you know. Yeah, so yeah, he was really
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: going for it. But I agree. And then you know
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: one p. Fifty four now you know, is in the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: it's kind of in the mix, but it has been
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: reloaded now too, So it's like, how many of the
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: top five or six guys would you favor him against?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Exactly? Exactly. And he's at a point where, right, you know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: with the amount of fights he's had and the talent
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: he showed early on that you thought he might have had, right,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: he should be ready where, you know, to fight at
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: somebody at that level where you know, you might think
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: he's got a chance to win. But I'm with you.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: You just don't feel like if he stepped it up
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: to that level, that he's going to be able to
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: handle somebody like that.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've seen, like you said, I think
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: we've seen him kind of top out. Obviously. You know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: once in a while you do get a fighter that
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: just fights at the level of you know, the competition.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that's that applies because we've seen
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: him against lesser and it's I don't know, he just.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I've seen too many holes in it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: It's kind of funny because it fits Steven Espinosa, even
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: though of course he would be biased for guys he's
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: involved with. Somewhere I saw on X he did chime
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: in and he said, give this guy Brian Mendoza next,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: and Brian Mendoza beats the beats the so we have
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: we have an opinion there. Maybe biased, but you throw
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: it out a guy, you know, Mendoza who has cracked
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: the top ten before and yeah, you know, flip back,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: but is a tough guy, you know, yea Spinosa saying
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: he feels, you know, put him in with Zias that
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: he'll he'll handles Aias at this point.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I could see that,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of some of these guys, and we
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: see it in boxing all the time. We just happen
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to be talking about top rank right now, but you know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: it's it kind of it seems like these guys just
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: run their course and they never really get the big fight.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you didn't now he's not ready
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: for the big fight, because you.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Know, right, yeah, you could you could at least got
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: some interest putting him in a tougher fight where we
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: all see it on ESPN, and all right, maybe if
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: it gets upset, at least it's a good fight or
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: something like that, you might.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Have the winner, you might have created someone that you
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: can Yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: That's been the problem that has It's what they're saying.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: What it ended up being eight years that that was
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: a big part of the problem with the top ranked deal.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: It just kept like not leading. It just kept not
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: leading to anything. You seemed like in these different divisions
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: where like it might lead to something and they talked
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: about it or they signed somebody, and then it just
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: never led to it never let led to anything.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like they're just great at signing protects, moving them.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Some of them turned into the buggy man. And then
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, now what you know, And it's like
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: that wasn't the case years ago, of course, but in
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: recent years and in this deal, it's it's kind of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: been like that. Yeah, they've had some good weight classes
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: and all that one thirty they got a lot of action,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, man, it's kind of kind of disappointing.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And then even though one's sixty doesn't have much still
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: he'd be going up there.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: He's not going up there with a ton of power
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you could say in the top ten
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: he would beat someone more than fifty four. But I
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, I don't know what you think of
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the Veto fight or some of the other stuff.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Two the other two that they showed, you know, the
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: matchups going in. Although the mill Necky he was I
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: think he was like a minus two to ninety favorite
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: going in her Son it wasn't really you know, he
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: wasn't a huge favor or anything. He was a favorite,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: but you had that in Mason, but talk about mil
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Necky first, even though you could have had even maybe
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: better matchups. Though the mil Necky fight turned out to
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: be a good fight. I did like there though, because
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: we're just kind of being critical of it, but I
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: did like I thought there was a little bit of
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: a wake up call for top rank. This was the
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: first time with mil Necky, but maybe the second or
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: third time with Mason where they said, like, these are
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: guys that have to be on our main ESPN part
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: of the card where people are going to see it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: You know, obviously from some marketing sensibilities. But I agreed
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: with that. I mean, we want matchups, but from the
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: marketing sensibility point, I like that because one thing, you know,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I've mentioned this quite a few times and I think
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: it's worth mentioning again because this was a little bit
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: of a remedy to that, you know, miil Nicki. I
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: was skeptical going in, but they they had him headlining
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: with Spencer against different opponents but card from Prudential Center
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: in Jersey on Christmas Night, which I thought that that's stupid,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: that's going to be a suicide move. And it got
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: over two million viewers on Fox on night, and then
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: you saw all these other sports start to jump into
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Christmas Night war. I don't I don't think that was
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: a complete coincidence. You know, he had the NBA before that,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: but well Box is like at BBC, like we'll throw
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: us the boxers on like at Box at Christmas Night,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: and that was like one of the highest ratings PBC
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: got on Fox so at some time. And but then
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: like he was fighting after that, like PBC you know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: had him on like the ut tube portion of the
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: card and stuff, and I'm not here even like addressing
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: an ability issue I'm just saying, like, I'm not trying
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: to go pro and con on Milnecki's potential in this discussion,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: But you're saying, like, from a marketing perspective, like a
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: guy just got seen by over two million people in
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: his homes, you know, on TV fault in his home state.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: They had a decent crowd, and then like you're you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: then he's like spending the next couple of years on
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: like the YouTube portion of you know, show time cards
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: and stuff. So he finally goes over the top rank
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: and they've got him on the ESPN Plus. And I'm
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: just thinking, again abilities aside, I'm like, this dude's drawn
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: over two billion on Fox. You know it's in the
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: US right now. There's a huge value to that. So
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: it felt to me like with this fight, like somebody
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: on top rank, all of a sudden, the light bulb
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: went off, like, hey, you know, we got to put
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: this guy on the ESPN portion, give him somebody that
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: we can sell it a little bit, or maybe it'll
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: be decent fight. And that was this Coil guy who
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: was undefeated but who had fought nobody and he's in
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: his mid thirties but turned out to be a good fight.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Noil Nicky. I think he has legitimately looked better with
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Ronnie Shields in his corner over the last few fights,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: even though he had one bad outing recently which he
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: admitted was terrible. But I think generally he's looked better
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: with Shields, and he apparently, you know, sparred with Jamal
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: you know, was sparring with you know, Jamal Charlow a lot.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: When he went over to Ronnie Shields, I thought, he,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: you know, he's better with his left hook. Now. I
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: thought he won the fight. I was surprised at the
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: majority draw. I thought he won it. I mean, I
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: thought he clearly won the fight. That it really did
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: surprise me. So I thought that was kind of a
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: tough break for him, because outside of how good Coil
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: really is, which you know, he's probably just really a
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: glorified club fighter type guy. I thought he won the fight.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: It was a good fight for some people see him
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: on decent action. Hopefully that draw won't set him back
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: too much. But I do think from the marketing perspective,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I thought, at least top rank got it that you
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: had a guy you're sitting on who has had a
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: viewership of over two million a few years back on Fox.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Let's let's try to build on that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Guy controls opening underguards too, right, He'd be the opener
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: a couple of times.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: So I thought that was good. And then you know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: you had a Dolla Mason, who I like a lot.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: He also had one little bit of a stumble where
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: you know, he had those knockdowns in that fight, recently
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: came back to you know, still score his typical ko.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: He didn't look like he was hurt to me and
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: either of those knockdowns in that fight, and you know,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: people were then kind of raving about this performance. Rightfully so,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: but you know, I've had that kind of belief in
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Mason for a while. You know, I think he's ready
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: for a contender, even at age twenty. You know, he's
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: just ready. He also understood the assignment looked real good.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I think he's ready for a contender. But even though
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: top ranks in the last months now this deal, I
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: think marketing wise, that's also a guy you wanted to
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: get out there. So I think that it's late in
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: the deal. But getting Neil Nicky and Mason some exposure
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: on ESPN, I thought was at least a smart marketing move.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and actually I remember they flashed the punch stats
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: in that Veto fight, and you know, I thought he
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: won the opening round. But I will say like rounds
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: two to four was competitive, and then when they flashed
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the punch that, I was like, yeah, that was pretty close.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: But then it was like fourteen to one, and like
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: he really started piling it on more. So I agree.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I thought that I thought he did enough to win.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: There was some rumors, I think this one comes from
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the Boxing Voice that at Dulah Mason would fight Giovanni
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Cabrera in his first ten rounder. Whether that's true or not,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, like you said, it
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: would be nice for him, you know, to have a
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: step up and keep going because he Yeah, I didn't
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: make too much of that those knockdowns either. You know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: he got caught in an exchange, right, but he also
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: got up. You know, he did get you know, he
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: did get knocked down again, but like he got up
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and finished him.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't like it took him a bunch of.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Time, you know.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: No, he just didn't look real hurd or anything. You know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: it wasn't anything I really detracted from him much like
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: some people to me, you know, in the last Transnational
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: you know review of the rankings. You know, I submitted
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I think he should be at ten. You know, I
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: would put him in at ten. People weren't a green yet,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: but I would. You know, I would have him. I
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: would have him in at ten already.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Any other things from that car, Jared Anderson looked pretty mediocre.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. You know. That's the thing. It's kind
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: of it seems almost inconsistent with what I said because
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: from the marketing perspective, and you only got so much time.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I liked meil Nicky and Mason being on the main
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: ESPN card, but I don't see how with the dearth
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: of US heavyweights, even with Anderson coming off the terrible
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: performance with Maccoley. I thought Bob hum in a funny way,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: was talking sense afterward after the Pacoli disaster, where he said, look,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: you know what, we'll bring him back. People forget about
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: and I thought, you know, the way boxing is in
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: the US now, a lot of people wouldn't have even
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: seen that Saudi card. I'm not saying you lie about
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: it or take it out of his story, but I mean,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: you really could just put him right back on ESPN,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: and I think no pun intended with the nickname, but
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: don't baby him, you know, Okay, he got stopped, but
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: put him in with the real you put him in
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: with a real opponent. We don't need to go backwards.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: But they didn't do that, and they've got him on
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the ESPN Plus part where you got much less viewership
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: earlier on you know, in the evening, at the beginning
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: of the evening, and like that, that to me was
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: a head scratcher. Now you look terrible. Clearly won the fight,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: but look terrible, but still like same type of thing,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: like okay, if he would have fought somebody better who
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: you knew, and he lost, Like you and I were talking,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: like and apparently he's going to get a good fight
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: against Torres. But like you and I were saying, so
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: we were on the right track. We were like, well,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: put Anderson with Vannel, you know, put him in with Vonello.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Top ranks got l Like you know, Vanello has been
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: fighting great, but we don't need the guy going backwards
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: just as he's got one loss. I mean, you know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: then there's all people on X and stuff and social
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: media clutching their pearls like, well, you had to bring
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Anderson back, you know, saft he just had to Well,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: but you know, what's the point? I mean, what's the point?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: And then nobody's singing it, and then he's he's got
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: detractors barking at him anyway because they don't like what
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: he's saying in the corner, and he doesn't look good.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: So he's sitting there having an ongoing debate, like it's
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: a debate teamer. So I was like, did just listen
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to your trainer a little bit?
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: But that's the problem with being in a fight like that,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: you know, Like, so yeah, I did catch you know,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I caught a lot of the action last weekend, and
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: I thought that was just sad because US heavyweight division
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: is in such bad shape. But so now I would.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: But but if Torres really is going to fight v
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: and l O next, that would be good. Get that
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: on ESPN before the deal's over. That's the type of
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: thing I'm talking about. But that's a really good fight,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, like the way Vanella's fought the last couple
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: of fights. I mean, if Torres gets by that, you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: people are gonna take him a lot more seriously. But
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: he hasn't looked that great, so like, you know, he
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: needs that too because he hasn't looked that great. It's like, look,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: you know, if we we don't want to see him
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: against some guy with fourteen fourteen losses again or whatever
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: who he you know, gets out of it, gets the
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: guy out of there to fourth round or something and
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: the guy's not even resisting. I mean, what's that going
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: to do? So that's that's down the road. But it
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: applies to Anderson in a sense, like even though Anderson
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: just lost to Bacolie, shouldn't they he been in that
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: type of fight, I mean, instead of just in this
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: ESPN plus undercard fighting fighting an unknown and not looking
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: good doing it. That that that was sad to me.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: That was sad.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. On the underguard, Yeah, I don't know what do you? Oh? Yeah,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: So Catterall and Barbosa, the scorecards were all close, seven
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: to five, you know, two to one for Barbosa, there
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: were like two I think it was the let me look,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: fifth and seventh round. Even the first round, but the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: fifth and seventh round were pretty much swing rounds. I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: thought the first handful of rounds were really slow. Then
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: it started picking up a little bit. Neither guy really
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: you know, let their hands go until later in the fight.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: How'd you see this one? How'd you score it?
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I thought I thought that that. I thought it was
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: the right outcome, the right scoring. Neither. It kind of
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: didn't surprise me in the sense that, like I felt
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: like with this matchup, here's two guys that you know,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: really aren't great punchers. You know, Barboza will throw, but
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: he's not a puncher at all, and you know Catterall
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: is not a big puncher. So you know that's where
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: you get something like that. You know, Barbosa just you know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: is a little more on the gas. He gets a
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: win because you know Catterall is not going to take
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: him out. He's not going to take Catterall out. But
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: even though with what's at one hundred and forty pounds
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: right now, you know, Barbosa is like legitimately contenderwise at
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the top. But I'm not critical of that when you
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: look who else is there. But I'm not even at
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: this point. I'm good win, you know, real good win
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: on the road. But I'm just still not that high
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: on Barbosa with what he brings. I mean, he's kind
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: of like one of those guys. He does everything okay
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: except except punch, and you know he'll he'll throw. He'll
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: definitely throw. He's in his career's out hustled a lot
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: of guys. But like, he's just the type of guy
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: to me, like when he's in with a puncher that
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: that's got it, who can legitimately punch, who's got decent skills,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: he's gonna have problems because he's not gonna he's not
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: hurting anybody, and he's going to be at a big
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: artillery disadvantage. So you can think of people who fit
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: that bill, and that's to me always going to be
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: a problem for Barbosa. But you know, good good win
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: for him, and you know, tough loss for Caterall. But
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I think it was I think it was a fair result.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it could go either way. I would
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: have been fine with the draw. Obviously, Barboza was busier
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: more consistently, and that's where the swing rounds coming sometime
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: where Caterall would land some.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Big shots, but it was just kind of far.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And few and but you know, too many gaps where
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: you're just like, dude, if you're gonna look for this
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: perfect shot, we see that with fighters a lot where
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: they're trying to make, you know, land one big punch,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and if they don't do it, or if they just
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: do it here and there, you know, it's hard to
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: keep winning rounds. I mean, obviously he was you know,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: he was in favorable country, I guess you could say.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: But still, like I don't know, I guess I was
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: okay with the outcome. I like the scorecards. It was
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: nice that we didn't have some odd ball ten to
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: two or something like that that that we normally give.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: But I did think Caterall would would sneak it out.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: So I was wrong there. I did predict Caterall. But
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: it was a it was a close fight. It got
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: better as it went on. But yeah, those first handful
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: of rounds are really really slow. But yeah, yeah, like
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I think he does pretty much everything good. You're right,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: he's just a solid fighter, you know, and activity really
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: won this this fight, you know, And that's.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: His strength, Like you said, he'll he'll generally be consistently busy,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: you know, Barbosa, And if you want to really look
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: at what is his strength as a fighter, that that's it.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's unless you have a lot of power
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: where you're hurting him, You're gonna have to throw a
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: lot of punches against the guy. But that's I think
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: a puncher who who can hurt him can slow him up.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: And you know, as long as somebody has got decent skills.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: But you know, he's got to he's got to run
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: into that guy and and that hasn't that hasn't happened yet.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Any other fights that you'd like to talk about at
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: all before we start heading into the big uh big
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: car coming up?
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Now. That was it for last weekend. But even though
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: all the matchups weren't the greatest on paper, except you know,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Catterall and Barbosa was a competitive odds matchup going in,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of action to talk about as
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: we just reviewed. But now we have a we have
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: even more The big card of a big month is
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: UH is this weekend.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this one. And obviously
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: we won't be breaking down the Chakor fight, but you
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: know it's got a little bit of everything. You know,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: WATSI Smith, Could that be a little bit slower? I
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: think that's possible. Well, giving the styles Adams Shiraz, you know,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to think about that fight. To
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: be honest, I'm still.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Kind of in between.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I like aut him Us.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I thought he's gained some experience of late.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: But I still just don't know if he punches hard
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: enough to really put a dent in as an opponent,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: especially there Zang and cabell Is just like, you know,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: not that Kvielle necessarily swings for the fences all the time,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: but I wouldn't call him like a fighter that's just
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: really not gonna do much either. Like I do think
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: someone I think there's a good chance someone gets knocked
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Du Bois in recent years has just.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Been fun to watch, and he's he could take a shot,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: and you just it's funny that he could take all
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: these shots when you know, really you know, early in his.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Career it didn't it didn't look like it's strange.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: It really is strange.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you know the ones that kind of
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: like I think the Heavyway fights, those are really competitive
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: and fun styles and stuff like that and interesting like Parker,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: you know, Kenny get away with how he's been fighting lately.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: But the artiz.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Madrumov Uh to me, that one kind of steals the show.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I am looking forward to uh Beterviev and Bivel and
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: see how that works out. But let's talk about some
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: of these fights just in general. Maybe we'll kind of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: go up the card and end with Ortiz and those
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: top two because those top two fights, especially artis badrmuff.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I wouldn't be thinking that if I
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen totally different fights, but his performance against Crawford
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: where he was able to keep that competitive enough and
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: kind of rendered Crawford looking just above average to like
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: maybe a B plus be you know, a minus, but
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: he didn't look his normal his normal self as the
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: fight went on or whatever. But yeah, let's let's hear
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: some of your thoughts on what we got going, man,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: because this is a stack hard to sit.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, well, of course I've talked about the US sensibilities.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: One thing I think could be under I'm not saying
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: it's all going to come together this weekend, but with
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: what Turkey Alchik is doing that could come together with
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: US sensibilities. I think the US fans are still willing
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: to watch the heavyweights if they're going to be in
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: good fights, even if they're not Americans. But that's the key.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Like in the Klitchko era, you know, you had after
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: his chin got cracked early in his career. You know,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Emanuel Stewart got him fighting in that certain style where
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: he wanted to eventually knock guys out, but he was
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: being conservative and so that wasn't entertaining and there wasn't
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: that many legit contenders around from the fight. What I'm
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: getting to for, like these cars the Saudi's are putting
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: on with the bigger guys, I think they have some
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: entertainment potential for us. Sensibilities like heavyweights in good fights,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: like you know, the way du Boise fighting lately, perfect example,
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Like you know, people are gonna want to see the
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: guy even if he's British and you're an American. I mean,
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: they're going to be open to that. So I think
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: that's good. So the first fight, you know, we're going
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: to talk about, you know, Zang and Kabriel. I think
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: that's got that type of potential because you got Zang.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: He's been fighting at a Jersey you know, even though
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: he's Chinese Olympian, but he's been fighting out at Bloomfield,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: New Jersey Trains in New York. Really interesting entertaining character.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: You know, in the in the ring with his power,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: his size, you know, if you do find the guy's
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: fights interesting even though he's not always throwing a lot
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: of punches, and he does have amateur pedigree too, so
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: he's got that wrinkle in there that can be kind
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: of hidden. But as hard as he hits and he's slow,
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: there there's some tech. There is some technical skill there.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, the guy know how to fight, so you
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: know the problem he's got. He's in his early forties
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: and know, no matter how hard he hits, you're gonna
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: run at a time. Is this the fight where he
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: runs at a time. That's that's the question for me,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: especially because Cabel has been fighting so good and Chris,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: as you accurately described for him, was kind of a change.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: You know, he even at the point where he beat
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Derek Jasaa because that wins looking better now with the
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: way Jasaur has been fighting, He's got to win a
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: few years back against Gesaura. But that's what he boxed more.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: It's funny, he's the opposite of what you kind of
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: would normally see, where as his competitions even stepped up more,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: he's been more aggressive. I mean, you know, he's stunned
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: you know, Macmandov blew him away, was a big underdog
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: and looked great doing it. Then Frank Sanchez, a guy
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: who everybody's having trouble fighting, who's a slick boxer with
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: some pop, he just destroys him based. I mean, he
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: just handles them legit hard body shots, takes him out.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: So you know, Cabel understandably. You know, he's the younger
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: guy too, and he's he's on a roll. He's the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: favorite really here. You know, he wins this one when
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: the dust starts settling with whatever Ustik's going to do.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, Cabel's earned the spot of he's not going
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: to be the biggest name, but he gets by this one.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: He kind of, you know, is arguably the biggest contender
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: unless you know, you know, outside of like you got
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Parker Dubois, whoever comes out of that. But he's really
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: right there. You know, Joshua just gotten blown away by Dubois.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: So Cabael deserves that respect. Obviously, he wins this one here.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like my head says Cabel should keep
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: this role going because of Zyg's age, but I just
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: don't want to. I don't want to bet against Zang
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  Speaker 3: on this one at the plus and with his power
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: that he might be able to do it one more time.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: I mean it might literally just be one more time,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I'm thinking he might. I don't know if
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: it's by it where it's just up here it is,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: you know, right, I don't know if it's my heart
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: bore my head, but I like, I think maybe Zang
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: could crank it up one more time because he hits
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: so hard he's gonna hurt anybody. You know. It's like
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: would be nothing against Kabayel. But that's one thing Zan
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: shown is like, dude's gonna hurt. He's gonna hurt you.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, you know, it doesn't matter who's fighting.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: If he if he lands, he's gonna hurt. So I'm
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: kind of hedging on this one right now because my
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: head's saying kabaell, but my heart's kind of would like
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: to see if maybe Zang can crank it up one
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: more time. The guy's entertaining just to see what's going
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: to happen in his fights, fighting at a Jersey. He's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: hanging around New York now. But I do I do
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: like the guy in that sense too. Nothing I really
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: respect what Kabael has done in recent years. But I'm
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: kind of sitting out a call this one just because
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm thinking maybe maybe Zang can crank it up
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: one more time, But that might be more the heart
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: looking at it than than the head because Cavi L's
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: on a great role and he wins this one. He's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: really gonna put himself right at the top of the line.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's I'm looking at it right now. Plus
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: one twenty four plus one thirty eight plus one thirty five. Yeah,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: that that plus number the way you put it with Zang,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, hmm, yeah, I'm gonna go Kabo by decision.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: I think he'll he may he may, he may drop him,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: but I don't know.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I just think that it'll be kind of a blend
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: of like skill but yet combination punching, you know, like
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: it like he's just a nice blend of.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Of just staying out of danger at.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Times, because you do have to do that with Zang,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: and like you said, he's very underrated his jab and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: just the way he throws and you know, the accuracy
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: with with it and also just.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: You know, he has shown even with Parker, he has shown.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Where you know, he is.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: It's he is fading, you know, he definitely is fading.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: And he was able to knock down Parker twice, right,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I think it was twice, Yeah, twice, but he just
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't active.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: He just wasn't busy.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Enough, right, And I think that he can do.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I think Cabell can outperform what Parker did, you know,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: So I think I could see him getting I could
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: see both of them get dropped, but I could see
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Cabell getting dropped. But I don't know.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Caby Yell by decision. But yeah,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking forward to this fight man.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you're right, it's it's a type of deal
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: where because he's not that busy enough, Zang is just
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: like almost has to get him out of there. And
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: that's so I think you make a point like he
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: GE's so hard he could drop Kabel, but but not
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: be able to stop him, I mean, not have the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: stamina to fall up like Parker, you know, because and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: call fired halfway through the fight, you know, right, And
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: I think Caba I agree with you. I think Cabael
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: really I could make the argument he's fighting better than
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Parker because Parker's been fighting these advanced states. Well we'll
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: talk abou when we get to his fight. But you know, Parker,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: yeah surge, but it's been against advanced stage guys, you know,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: and and he doesn't have that now this weekend.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. I think it's it's not taken away
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: from him because you know, hey, man, that's pretty cool
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: that you're having this nice little renaissance and clearly you're
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: making a but you know a lot of money, you
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So so shouts out to you.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: But I'm you know, the two guys you ran into,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I just don't think you're gonna
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: you're gonna face that. So maybe you know, maybe putting
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: money you know on Zang just a little bit on
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: a knockout because I agree, I think that would I'm
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: looking that up right now because that is kind of
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the way he'd win.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: You know, I do agree with you there. I think
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: that he would definitely have to.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Knock him out, and that is he so on my
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: bookies plus one thirty five as an underdog, so it
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: is on the higher scale there and then for knockout
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: is a plus two ten.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of what I like like, I'm not.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: I think you have the most likely outcome, but I
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: guess for plus is a zang Ko of Cabael at
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: plus two ten.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I kind of like that.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: I kind of like that for a little bit of
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: a play there. I think that's the way I'm leaning.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: That's why I didn't kind of want to make a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: pick too, because I think Cabell your scenario is most likely.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: But from a gambling perspective, zang like, you know, he'd
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: have to be a ko win, but he's got the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: power to do it. And plus two ten not a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: not a to me, not a bad play, even though
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: cabbyl is fighting really well and he's the younger guy.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because him by decision is almost plus
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: six hundred.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: So that's tell me that's funny. So the odds bakers
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: get it. That is funny. Is that's funny?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Funny thing? Cabbyel by decision is plus two twenty and
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: plus one seventy six and this is just one sight. Yeah,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: but for the for the stoppage, So that kind of
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: throws me off, you know what I mean?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't yet, I like it, but am I right?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: That tells me that they think Zang might just gas out. Yeah,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: I just and that Cabil is good enough to stop
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: them for gases, because Zang's one of those guys that,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: like Emmanuel Stewart used to talk about Big George Foreman
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: and the old big George Forman the comeback. Yeah, you
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: usually don't get that at heavyweight. But a guy it's
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: just so damn big. It's just so hard to stop
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: him because he's just so damn so damn big and
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: strong like dangs. That's like Zang, you know, like he
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: just he's like a tree. You know, it's like a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: tree coming out there. I mean, you know he's gonna
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: get hit, right, you know, Yeah, he's going to get hit.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: He's gonna run out of gas. But he's hard to
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: He's hard. It's hard to hurt him and drop him,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: All right, where do you want to move next to?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I would say, I'm just looking at the order
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: here on what they've got.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, notice times for Eastern too.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is good. Always been an advocate for more
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: of that. But I would say, I'm just going to
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: go in there their order. Then you got Guwatzi and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Callum Smith. Odds are close on this one. I'm I'm
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: I have my own opinion, not that I'm overrating him,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: but you know, as I've said before, never going to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: reach those levels, doesn't have that ability, but just a
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: little bit in style blotze I compared to like a
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: poor man's holy Field. That's just to me in style,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: not going to reach those heights, not going to move
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: up to the weight. But you know, holy Field is
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: a light heavyweight in the amateurs and just something reminds
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: me a little bit of some of the things holy
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: Field did. Again a poor man's version of it. But
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: for sure, Callum Smith I've always felt pretty good about
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: as a fighter. But I just have a feeling and
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and I could be wrong on this one,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: but I got I got a feeling maybe this is
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: I think you're running a risk here with Callum Smith
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: where he's going to mail it in on this one.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: That's my feeling. You know, does he really want to
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: go through what you got to go through for one
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: more push or is this just going to be a
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: payday to me? For odds that close, I think there's
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: much too much of a risk of that being the case.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: For Callum Smith here, and you know, for Blatzi, he's
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: really pushing forward towards his first big fight. You know,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: he's going to be lurking. He's been on you know,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: he's on the Saudi card here with better BV andbvall
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: at the top. You know, he's a win away from
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: being at least potentially maybe within the next year, we
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: know how boxing goes, but an opponent for one of
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: those guys that payday. So I think he's got enough
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: at stake. You know, he hasn't really had a big
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: fight like that yet. And with that in sight Smith,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: he's on the back nine, you know, really, you know
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: when he's law lost, you know it's against the best,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: but hasn't been too good in those fights. And and
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: he did have a I didn't I didn't think Ryder
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: won it like people saw. But his performance, you know,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: even going years back against John Ryder wasn't good. So
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking of those kind of moments and I'm like,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: you know, Blatzi still on the undefeated roll. I'm a
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: little surprised on this one. The odds are that tight.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: I feel here, I feel like the favorite. Bootsie's a
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: good play like to me, that's a I think I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: saw him out like I think minus two hundred, I'm like, yeah,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: I'm on that.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: I'm on that.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could be you know, maybe COLLM. Smith's gonna
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: prove me wrong there. If he does, I'll be the
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: first to apologize next week. It's not doubting his overall
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: career or his hard or anything, but just at this
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: point we've all seen it happen. You follow boxing enough,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's gonna crank it up for this
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: one and do what he needs to do. I don't.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: I don't think he is. And looking at the odds
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: and hearing people talk, I don't, I don't. It's a
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: good fight, but I don't see this one. I don't
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: see this one as as that close.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: I agree. I think just the jab alone and some
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: of the things that blats he can do at range.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Will just be a handful for killing to deal with.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: And he's not just gonna be able to come forward
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: and try to you know, beast him out or something
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: like that. And honestly, like you know, his best win
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: is George grows right, And if we're honest with ourselves,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: that was not the George Groves that was like, you know,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: he was he retired after the fight, if I remember correctly,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: and he was coming off an injury where you saw
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: him in the ring. You're like, he don't look right,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: you know, And I totally understood. I remember us talking
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: about this, I think that before, maybe not when the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: actual fight happened, but you know, the ranking, I understand
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: where why you know, all of a sudden he was
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: where he was ranked because he was undefeated. Groves is
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: up there because he had shown against Frausch and all that,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: and then they went in that tournament, and I just
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: I think Kenny Smith, like we've said before, you have
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: to rank these fighters someplace, and at that time it
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: wasn't that deep and so and it's still not that deep,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: and I just think he just was in the right place,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: right time, the right fighter.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, it's for lineal.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: You know, he's lineal, and you're like, well, I mean, yeah,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: you do have to rank him, but I think it
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: was it just wasn't all that meaningful of a win
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: just because Groves wasn't Groves. And I'm not trying to
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: put Groves in the Hall of Fame, you know, but
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: if that's your best win. And then like you said,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: he grinded it out against the rider. You know, got
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: hitting the arm. That's how Canelo beat him? He said,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: he just hit him in the arm and then that
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: was it.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: You know, that was a little weird.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Didn't do it, and he didn't do it. Didn't do
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: anything in that fight.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: He didn't do it. And then you know, I get it,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: like you know, is a is a monster. So I
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: don't expect him to just do great against him or whatever.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's looked at it that much.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Bet maybe physically like looking bigger at one seventy five,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: it's been better, but he doesn't really looked good.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: So I agree, I think it'd be by decision.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I think Blatzi will just kind of outclass in a
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: sense not necessary defensively where he's countering all day. But
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: I just some of the fundamentals that he will stick to.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: I just don't you know, I don't think Kelly Smith
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: is gonna have much answers.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Now for cown Smith, for me against his lesser opposition.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: You know, with his height, he showed me what I
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: always wanted to see out of him early in his career,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: even though he did it, you know, against Groves, but
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: I want to see it more fights where you know,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: being the rangey puncher, you know, really getting the leverage.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: Now it's like heavy against the lesser opposition. There have
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: been some fights where he's shown that, but you don't
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: see it at all when he steps it up. You
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: just don't like, you know, you know, he's not even
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: like against Canelo or Better Beev, like landing a bomb
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: like that before he before he gets Dominator gets taken
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: out where you're like, well, there's that power at least,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: like just just nothing. And that's where I'm thinking, like, yeah,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: even though that's tough opposition Canello better Beev like they
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: just with no flashes none. So I just think Bawatzi
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: is not Canelo or better BF, but he's on high
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: enough of a level at this point that he's the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: type of fighter where I just don't see Smith's power
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: showing up against guys like that.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, because he does have that body type
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: and I just checked again that length too. He's got
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: a seventy eight inch reach. You know, I could really
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: use that and have that long jab and stuff.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll see. Do you think it'll be by
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: decision as well, or I.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: Think I'm not certain on that one. You know, Biwatzie,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: that's one of his flaws. We're talking about Smith's flaws,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: but you know one of Biwatsi's flaws. There's guys he
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: should be getting out of there that he does not,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: and that's where that's where he can frustrate. So that's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: where I hesitate. To me at the stage of the career.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: In the age Smith's act, I could see if Bowatsie
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: fights the way I think he's capable of fighting, I
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: could see a late stoppage, but I don't like from
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: a betting perspective, say, do I feel comfortable making a
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: stoppage decision called with the Watsie.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Not really.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: I feel comfortable on the win, but I could see
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: it going either way. On the deceis. You know, if
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: the wats he's not at his best, I could still
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: see him winning the decision over Smith. But I think
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: if he shows up at full capacity, he could get
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: a late stoppage. But I don't feel comfortable either way
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is gonna be a little UK pride
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: going on. I think both guys will get up to
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: an extent, but.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: If it is, it's probably gonna be a t k
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: O just throwing the towel type thing. You know. I
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: don't see him getting knocked out where he can't get
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: up or right.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's move on to the next fight.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Sir.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: We got Ortiz and Ortiz and madrum Off. That's close.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: I agree with everybody. That's close. People seem to be
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: saying they don't know who they want to go with
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: on this, But then I see lately, as we're getting
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: late here, a lot of people seem to be to me,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: seemed to pick a man, you know, drum Off. He is,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: he's got amateur pedigree, he's a good fighter. You know,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: he's already been in with somebody like Crawford, and he's
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: been with some other contender one hundred and fifty four
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: pound guys. You know, people looking you know, we we
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: have seen or or tease, hurt and dropped in some fights.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: I agree with the weight resume now. I agree with
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: the people with the weight reservations. I don't like him
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: with the one hundred and fifty four you know, I've
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: said that. Now he has made it some but I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: was like, skip this just fight at middleweight, and a
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: lot of people say no, no, no, But to me,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: it's like a time bomb. You know, he could have
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: trouble with the weight at any point. Now he has
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: made it. I didn't even think he'd make it, so
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: I'll give him that. Like you know, I'm not still
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: saying I liked the idea, but I didn't even think
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: he would make it for some of the fights he's
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: made it recently, like you know, Bajo Chuck. But that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's gonna be easy. That's gonna be it's
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: gonna be easy Saturday for this one. So I got
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: to reserve weight, see on that. So you know, I'll
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: go out there on a limb now, but I do
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: reserve the right if for teases at the one sixty
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: five on Saturday boarding or something like that, I'm not
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: gonna feel comfortable, you know, if he's tried to make
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: the weight or what of those types of things. But
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: with that understood, I if Ortez makes the weight, okay,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna go with him here. I think the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: difference I don't. I think this one does go to decision,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: not a knockout. But I think Ortez's power is the difference,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: not even necessarily for a knockdown. I just think he
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: hits hard enough that I think, you know, Madrum off,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: to me, one of his flaws is, you know, he's
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: he's not tall for the division, and you know sometimes
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: then he still wants to box, you know, he wants
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: to jump in and out and box. When at his height,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: when he comes forward more with the skills he does
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: have and he has some pop, I think he's much
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: more effective. You know, he's much more effective as a fighter.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: But now he's one of those guys that to me,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: that's his flaw. He doesn't always want to do that.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: And what I see happening here from what I've seen
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: of both guys is Ortiz has that pop that I
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: think he's going to keep Magerim off in that box
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: or mode where he's going to be jumping in and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: out hoping to get it, hoping to get a decision,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: and I think Ortiz just keeps him at bay with
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: the pop, with the authority probably you know, probably land
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: some good shots on him here and there, and probably
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: a tight fight, you know, maybe one of those type
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: of deals where some people are saying Madrumov, you'ld have
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: gotten a decision or something like that. But Ortiz gets
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: the call and I'm looking at the power he brings
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: punching authority, just just being the difference there, the way
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: that forces you know, magrum Off to fight, and to me,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: I think would be enough for you know, Ortiz to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: get a decision as long as he's okay making the way.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: So if the as long as the weight's okay, I
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: am going with Ortiz here and in a competitive decision.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: So even though we did talk about it back in August,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that that fight was already in August.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: But do you think it was just a weird style
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: matchup with Crawford and madrmouth like because for a while,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: neither one really tried to do a whole lot. Because
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: some of it's that, I believe, but also there was
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: some things that madro Mouf was able to do with
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Crop well, you know, I hate to say it due
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: to him, like he was.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Winning all these but.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just kind of funky that it. You know,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: it went the distance and it was close like that,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: and not a whole lot happened in the fight.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: Now, I attribute that to to me, as good as
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: Prawferd is and he was coming off his career best
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: performance against Spence. We're getting into legit weight things now.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: You know this guy was a lightweight.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: You know, he's in his late thirties now, So that's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: what I attributed to. I think we're forgetting there as
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: good as he is coming off a great performance now
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: we're dealing with.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: It.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: Was the light weight, you know, in his later thirties
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: fighting at one hundred and fifty four pounds against somebody
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: who's good. That's what I attribute that to. So that
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: was one that I don't think that was good for
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: him from a marketing standpoint, like coming off the Spence
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: fight to just have a not inspiring decision against you know,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: yeah Magrum off at one hundred and fifty four pounds,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: But from a boxing standpoint, I do feel like just
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: Crawford just getting a win at that point, you know,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: being get into his later thirties, started out as a lightweight.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: He's fighting a good one hundred and fifty four pound guy. Yeah,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I couldn't hold him to style points in
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: the boxing assignment. Just he got the win, and I
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: thought that's all he kind of needed to do with.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: You could question whether he should have taken that fight.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: I think that was very questionable. But since he did
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: take it, I thought he just had to kind of
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: come out there with a win because now he's getting
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: at a high enough weight advanced age that that's what
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: I attributed to, right.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: I do think Ortiz is the better inside fighter. You know,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Madramov is kind of known for these angles, but it's
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: not like Orties can't do the same thing. And I
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: think both of leap himself open, so it's not it's
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: not just Ortiz who can get hit clean Madra mav.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: You know, there's times where he'll chap and his other
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: arm is like you know, or he'll leap, you know,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: like we've seen before.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: It seems like he's calling that down where it's.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Not like he has I agree with that he's improved.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: I got to give that to him. He has improved
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: in that area. But but that's where I'm kind of
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: looking at this one, like that's where sometimes when you're
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: fighting like a puncher, then you can revert, you know,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: like you've made all this progress, but then the instincts
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: to survive kick in and that that's kind of the
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: way I do see this. That's why i'm I'm getting
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: to the power there, because you're right, he has improved
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: that a lot, and I think he's much better when
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: he's settled down on that and he comes forward consider
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: his hype. But that's where I see Ortez his power
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: knocking him out of that game here.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they both have They're more similar,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: not similar how they fight, but Ortiz can do more
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: than you think, yes, and and he could definitely counter
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: and he's he he I would like this like when
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: he's up close, he's in the high guard, but I
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: would like to see him have his his uh, his
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: hands higher because I have noticed that he does keep
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: his hands low, but he does use a lot of
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: upper body movement and like I said, he can use
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: foot angles too. It's not just gonna be Madram, But
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I kind of like your uh like the
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: majority decision type thing.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: I do kind of like a little bit of argument.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Plus you know there'll be people that it'll help Crawford,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and you know there'll be people like skewing
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: their mind and give them an extra couple of rounds
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: because they want they want to make it look better
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, and vice versa. So or if
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: he does catch him with a bigger punch, then they'll
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, virtual will kill Crawford.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: You know, it'll go the other way. And but I
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: do like Arties.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: I just think he's I think he's a little bit
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: more all around as a fighter. He's not just the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: guy that's going to come forward and try to slug
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: it out. I mean, he will do that, but I
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: think he's got more upper body movement and some of
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: the stuff that he can apply to Madra mov that
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I think that'll be I do like the what you
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: said about the it'll turn it once he gets hit
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: with a big shot or something. The instincts kick in
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: and then he'll need He'll feel like I need to
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: land that big shot back and maybe be losing rounds
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: by that point. But I'm going to go majority of
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: decision with Ortiza. I'm with you there, I think. But
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: I don't see a knockout in this one either.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what I'd like to see for this isn't
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: really the spot. It's a huge card for boxing fans,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: but you know, Ortiz is one of the only spots
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: of US sensibilities on there. But what I'm getting to
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: from a marketing standpoint here is it's not the ideal
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: spot necessary in terms of viewership. But you know, Virgil
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: Ortiz being one of the best American fighters out there really,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: and he's been kind of buried on his own, Like
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: I'd like to see him get a spot, you know,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: where he's you know, because the US needs all it
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: can get. I'd like to see him get a spot
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: where you know, he gets gets even more of a buzz,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: you know among the American fans, you know, or maybe
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: it leads to where somebody's going to give him some
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: better exposure somehow.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: Fighter exactly exactly, you know, Mexican American, and you know,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: he's an exciting fighter, he's got pop. You know, he
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: had some you know, US amateur experience, and he's one
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: of the guys that could be a star. I just
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: think it's you know, he had the weight issues, but
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: I think to me, it's mostly but he's been buried
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: on his own, you know, for too long, and I
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: don't know if this is his own pay per view
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily alleviates it, but maybe the card, you know,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: gets enough publicity or something that if he has a
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: big performance, maybe even bigger than we're expect. I think
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: from him that this could gain him more momentum. I'd
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: like to see him, you know, have some more exposure.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not seeing any a whole lot of
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: promo for it.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: We still have a couple of days. I suppose they
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: could sneak it on something.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Now there's plenty of you know, college basketball and NBA
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: and other stuff.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: To promote it for.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: But I still don't I don't even see like the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: crazy commercial trend now you know what happened to those,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: you know, we like freaking commercials that I would love
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  Speaker 1: for it to be not just on his own but
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: on the ESPN plus in Amazon. And so someone tunes
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: in to me like, holy shit, this is a great promo,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: you know. But I put to your point, I do
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: think since it's such a long card, right that well,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: of course we haven't seen him play out yet, but
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: it's the scheduled card that online, I think it could burn.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: You know, there could be some churn in there where
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: people are like, holy shit, those dudes are getting in. Well,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: there's still five fights on it. Yeah, but damn, you know,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I guess there is a chance for that. I think
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: they need some things to go well early in the card,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: and then if you do like I was talking to
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: someone the other day who is, uh, it's kind of
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: like a semi casual, and he said, where do I
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: watch boxing right now?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: And I thought it was a great question. It's a
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: great question. I said, you're right, you know. But and
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I told him about the ZIGN I told him about
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: other other stuff, and I told him about this card,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: and I broke it down for him. I showed him
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: the odds and all that, and he's really excited about it.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I just it's great that they
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: lowered the price, but it's just, you know, I don't know.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: But it's not it's not designed for us sensibilities. That's like,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: you lower the price, But if you're not designing it
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: all for us sensibilities, it's almost like your your cap
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: and your audience. Maybe they could have Eddie Murphy imitating
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Tracy Morgan doing his own profile.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: The hardest, hardest I've laughed for a long time.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, no kidding.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to the next one.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: Sir, got Damas and sheer As a good matchup. You know,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: I do like this matchup. Sheer As is you know,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: other people said I've said it too, but it's there.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, he you know, hard bar to reach, but
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: he's showing some Thomas Hearns type qualities, which is exciting
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: to watch. I mean, I'm getting to really like watching
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: him because Thomas Hearns is one of my favorite fighters
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: of all time. And to see this guy having fights recently,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: like against the two Williams is lee him an ammo,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: you know, at least solid fighters. He looks you know,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: he's shown flashes of a Hearns can Now he's fighting
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: a bit, you know, really middleweight being weak like we said,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: but at the middleweight we've gotten now Adamas is about
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: at the top. You know, he's right, he's right there,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: He's right there with Amilkuli. Really those are you know,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: but that's what we've got now. So and you know, Lari,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: you can't count him out.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, this puncher version of himself and somebody pretty
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: good kept him.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: But he's kept himself in there though. But even though
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: he's in his forties. But so you know, it's it's
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: a historical division. It's always arguably been the most popular
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: after heavyweight, which is sad. You know, the historians are
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: great sad the state we've seen it. But now here
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: sheer has maybe a guy he really is, I mean
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: he has a big performance Saturday. Adamas is a very
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: solid opponent at the top of this division, even though
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: it's weak. This is like where again it reminds you
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: of a Hearns, Like if he comes out and everybody's
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: looking for a good fight. Here, odds are relatively close
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: even though she has is a favorite, but then Sheiras
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: blows them away, you know, like Hearn's Quavist type thing.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: Look we still talk about you know, Hearn's waves forty
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: five years later. That's why, you know, because it just
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: shocks you. You know, like whoa you know, look at
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: this guy. You know, he's just destroying people, and you
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: know the way he does it. Sheerras has shown that
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: potential in the last couple of fights. A Damas is
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: by far the best opponent he's had in his career.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: And Adamas is you know, inconsistent. He has times he
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: doesn't look that good, but he has had times in
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: recent years that he's looked real good, Like against Dervayan Jenko,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: he had a tremendous form so like to me, almost
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: came out of nowhere. But it was a fantastic performance.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: And you know he's had some other good ones, some
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: not as good, so he's inconsistent. But you know, if
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: he brings his a game right, he's going to be
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: a real tough opponent, even for sheer As.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: But I been looking for an opportunity and here it is.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: You know, he's wanted a big fight, so he's on
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: this card. I just love this role Sheeras is on.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: He's the favorite, and it looks like it's there. And
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: the Damas is not a guy who's a big middleweight
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: or anything like that. He's not small, even though he
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: came up from welter but he's like an average typical
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: type middleweight. But she As, you know, being a big
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: Thomas Hearns type of guy, like a Damas isn't big
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: enough where it's going to offset that shear As size
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: and reach advantage. Like if sheer As keeps rolling the
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: way he has been, like a Damas will be there
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: for I mean, even though it has become more boxer
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: later in his career. I don't know if he's that
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: good of a boxer where a Sheras keeps building on
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: this role like he has been, that he won't get
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: to him, and I tend to think Sheraz is going
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: to keep on this role. It does excite me as
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: a fan, like, you know, if this Adamas is tough
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: enough that if if he if he gets him out
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: of there impressively. You know, sheer As is really look
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: shere As is really looking like a middleweight star. That
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: division is so open that that he might be the
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: guy everybody's looking for there. This this should be the
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: test for that. You know, if he struggles or he
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: close decision or something, it's it's not going to completely
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: stop his progress or anything. But then you may question, oh,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: is he that guy? You know, is he that that
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: Hearn's looking type guy? But it but if he does
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: the Hearns imitation again and pulls it off against somebody
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: of this caliber who's at the top of the middleweight division,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: then you're going to rightfully, really really get excited about
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: the guy. And I'm leaning towards thinking he is going
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: to be able to do that. I think he's shown
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: enough of that in these last couple of fights that
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: I think, I think Ambo Williams is flawed, but it
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: was probably good enough that with sheer As was able
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: to do that to him and if it was late,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: but but he puts some hurt off, and uh, I
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: think he probably is going to be able to do
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: that domics before it's over as well.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's fluid, he's very accurate. He does
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: that power and like you said, Ottamus, there's times where
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: it's like dude, you gotta punch more man, you gotta
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: you gotta finish this round, and other times where he's
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: really going at it, and you're right, he does. He
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: does box a little bit now more. I've definitely noticed that.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: But even that, uh, that fight he fought here against
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Jay Rock, you know, it was like too close. You know,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you know, it's like you shouldn't be
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be having this much problems.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: No, he should have handled that version of Jay Rock easier.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Yep. And that was probably estopage that shouldn't have been.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: I remember saying that was the Minnesota nice type stoppage.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: You know, that's like when they canceled the marathon. You
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: know a little two.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what you said, right kind of things a lot
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: of times.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So I don't know. Yeah, I just think
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: at some point the accuracy and the pin yeah, the
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: pinpoint punching he can do, I think he will light
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: him up pretty good.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll stop him. Maybe it will
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: be just an abundance of punches and stuff like that.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: But I do think Otamus he will rise to the
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: ocasion even when he's getting hit pretty clean, because he
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: has shown that, he has shown that he'll he'll fight back.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: But I could see the first handful of rounds kind
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: of timid from both sides. But yeah, I'm with you.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of stuck on the outcome though, as far
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: as that, you know, how it's actually gonna go down,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like he's gonna stop him,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I'm kind of in we need
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: to be honest. I do like sure as to win,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, I'm not I'm not totally sold
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: on how the how it's gonna end.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what I mean, it's it's too top really at
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: this point, too top middle weights. And that's the one
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: thing I like about this card. You know, I hate
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: the alphabet belts, and I don't think you need him
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: for this card, like like I always will go then
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: for the breakdown too, Like if there were only eight
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: weight classes left, maybe nine if you want to add
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: lose your weight one champ. These are all good fights.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: That's what makes it a good card. You don't have
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: to overblow it about these alphabet belts and everything. And
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: to me, this is one of those fights, like I mean,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: adamis is, you know, probably the number two middleweight in
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: the world with a vacant title, and your sheer As
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: is right up there. I mean, this is like the
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: fights we want, like top ten contenders fighting each other
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: to see who's going to work their way to the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: top and become the real you know, become the real champ.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: And you know, all these fights because we've lost to
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: Stevenson fight that was the only one that really wasn't
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: like that and that one's off, So all these all
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: these fights are like and the and the main event,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Peter Better b Evan Bivall is for the white the
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: real light heavyweight title, so that that's really the strength
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: of this car.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: And you know the UK is looking for that next
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: guy and I do think, like you said, I I
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: really think he has that, you know, I think it's
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: beyond potential. I do think he could. He could really
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: stand up. Now hopefully they mix it where he's fighting
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: in the UK in Sadi, you know where it's not
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: just I mean obviously timing it does you know, it
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: does line up better. It's not ideal though, but it
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: is a little better for the for the for the
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: car to be taking place. But I do think he's
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: a guy that they would really get behind. I really
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: feel that way. All right, So what do we got?
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: We got du bois pother heavyweight scrap.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, great, great matchup. It's it's what I's It's
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: funny to me that it happened because it's what I've
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: been saying with Parker. You know, he got the win
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: over Wilder. Wilder looked completely shot. Then he got the
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: win over Zion. He went down twice. It was close,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: but Zian just didn't quite do enough. But my one
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: thing that I was saying you have to watch about
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: Parker is, you know, then to fight before that, you know,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: his big last big fight before that, he got stopped
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: by Joyce, who was in his later thirties, so all
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: those big fights against fighters in their later thirties or forties.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: Now it's heavyweight where fighters last longer. Yes, but still,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, he hasn't been in a big fight against
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: anybody at prime age since you know, who knows when
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: it's been a long time, and that hasn't been any
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: great performance for him. So I think that's you know, Dubois.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: I see, so he opened as a favorite, looked like money.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: He's gotten a lot of money on him too, since
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: it's the odds have increased, and he's coming off a
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: great performance against Joshua where, you know, except for the
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: moment he got hurt right before the end, he just
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: dominating him, knock him all over the place, and he've
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: been on the roll before that. And Dubois is young
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: for a heavyweight, so like to me, this is where
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: Parker's numbers up. But Dubois still does have those flaws
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: where I can't say it's not one of It's not
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: because of dubois flaws. It's not like it's a certainty
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: for me. Parker's now it should it should be up
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: because this is what I was waiting for. To me,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: the Joe Parker recent train to get derailed. I kind
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: of was he did what he had to do, good wins,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: but I was like, eh, you know, all the big
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: fights against these guys in their later thirties forties, he
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: fights somebody close to their prime, and the cloak's going
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: to get pulled off. But Dubois has those flaws because
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: the consensus seems to be and you know, this is
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: the best I could come to, too, is like, well,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: he seems to not take a shot as good later
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: in the fight, but you're still kind of trying to
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: bootstrap him into that because he got hurt early against Lorena,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: who was a cruiserweight coming up. He was just about out.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah he didn't. He didn't end up being out,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: but he was about out. I mean he was about
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: as close as he could go to being out where
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: the REF could have stopped the fight. Now REF proved
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: he made the right decision, So I don't think you
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: go that far and say, oh, if the REF would
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: have stopped them when he should have, you know, Lorena
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: would have won. But no, REF did the right thing.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: But I mean Dubois was just about out and that
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: was early. That was early. So even that theory and
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: against Jerrell Miller, he came on late. He was getting
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: tagged early. Now, he did take the shots early there,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: and then Miller just not being what he was, whether
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: it was because of being off peds, older in activity,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: he didn't have that punct rate in the second half
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: that he'd always had in those fights where he was
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: better for whatever reason, and then Dublas was able to
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: stop him late. Come on. But like so, so, what
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: I'm saying is there's even inconsistencies in that theory that
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: Dubois strong early, like and he gets hurt late. He's
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: kind of a hard guy to figure out, like that
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: really is. You know, he may just not have that
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: good I mean it maybe we're trying to figure it
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: out and I want to say he doesn't have that
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: good of a chin. But then you saw him against
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: Herkovic just eating right hands. I mean, you know, I
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: think Krkovic can punch good enough, and he's a big
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: guy even at heavyweight, like and Dubai just ate those shots.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: I mean it was for me, for a guy coming
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: from where Dubois had been, it was one I said
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: that at the time we talked by one of the
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: craziest things I'd ever seen my decades of watching boxing,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: he was just taking shot after shot clean, shaking it off,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: and then you know he survives it against Joshua. But
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: a part of me watching decades of boxing too, is like,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: even though he's only in his late twenties, you know,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: when you take shots clean like that, I mean, it
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: could that could catch up to him all of a
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: sudden too. I mean just now from like you know,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: he's just eating those shots from Herkovic And even right
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: before he took Joshua out, he got hurt at the end,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: you know, like does they used to call that the
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: door opening? You know, like the cash register opening, Like
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: when the guy just all of a sudden, he's not
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: taking the shots that good anymore, like you know, like
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: that old phrase like does the does the cat from
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: the old cash registers? You know, does the drawer just
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: pop open? Austin Parker hits him, and you know the
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: drawer pops open again. So there, that's what makes good fights.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's enough intrigue. I'm gonna go with my
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: initial instinct that I think this is Parker running into
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: a younger guy and that Dubis should be able to
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: take him out. I mean even though Parker generally has
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: been durable. Still I would think that's my likely scenario here.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: I think that's what I'm picking. But there's just enough
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: mystery to du Bois with that, you know, taking shots,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: you know, and then you know can take them, sometimes
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: not take them, but then just the defense not being
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: there and eating shots. There's just enough mystery with that
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: guy that you know, you wouldn't want to bet the house.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't want to bet the house on Dublas in
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: this fight. I'm gonna say that. So this is not
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: Dubois and I think by Ko, but not with a certainty, right.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know it's interesting because I remember after that
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: HRGA by fighter thought, man if aj hit some of
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: those shots, it's a wrap, right, It's he's going to
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: get knocked.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially just after all the punishment he took in
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: that fight.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like if he takes that many, which ultimately didn't,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: but if he took even half of that from aj
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: R had gotten really hurt, and like you said, he
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: did end up getting hurt. He just had such a
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: good start in that fight. And then also you know,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: just kind of looking back at you know, to your point,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: getting knocked out by Joyce Parker. And then he had
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: like three fights where it was really I mean, Jack Massey,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: that's probably the best fighter in there, you know, but
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: it's that's not saying much. And he went the distance
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: with him, but not that Parker's really known for stopping people.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: When he was younger, he would brawl like him and
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Andy Ruiz, you know, he would he would brawl, get tired,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: box hold On, brawl, get tired box hold On. He
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: is a different fighter. But then you're right, it's like
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: the next two fights after that are like eh. And
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: it felt like the biggest advantage he had is being active,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: and so he was. He was ready to go. And
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: you could see not only as Wilder, you know, washed,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: but you know, the timing, even if he wasn't as
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: washed as appear as he is, the timing just was
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: not there at all. He could not pull the trigger whatsoever.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: And if he can't pull the trigger, it's gonna be trouble,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: you know. And he's still even kind of busted Parker
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit. He just couldn't follow it up and
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: really couldn't land any good punches. But and then like
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: you said, saying, you know, I just think in a
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: similar scenario, the boy is gonna go for it.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the age thing. I mean, ja Wah
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: is in his later twenties. You know when he lands
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: those shots in Herst Parker, he's not gonna be sitting back,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: not doing anything exactly. He's gonna be following up, able
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: to stop. It's just like we always talked about where
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: people didn't get it. Where you know, would putch Goo
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: landed a shot when Joshua dropped him a big shot
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: after he was hurt. But Klitschko was was was old,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: he was washed up. There was no there was nothing
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: to finish up with. You know, there was nothing to
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: follow up. That's like you know Zang, you know old
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: the guy in his early forties, right, you know he
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: dropped Parker a couple of times, but you know their
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: follow up wasn't there. With Dubois, you know, at his
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: age in his twenties, you know that follow up is
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: going to be there. I mean, he hurts Parker, there's
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: going to be more coming.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, yep. And he just seems like he's on the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: up and up. He he I mean he's literally one
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: fight away from getting musick.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I really believe that because Zusik's going to
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: be there, and he said that that's that's the next
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: fight I want to have. I want to have two
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: more fights. When Usak said lately and he said, this
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: is you know, and it makes sense that that they
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: could sell the rematch.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, he's opening the door to it, and there
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: is a selling There is a selling point there, yep.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: And when people see, oh man, he got knocked down.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Did he get knocked down or was it a low blower?
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: You know that that's how that stuff goes. So and
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: I just think that kinda like Parker has been crafty.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: He hasn't been boxed on the outside too much. He's
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: been crafty, and he's kind of had that little squat down.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's been doing that more. Yeah, Yeah, he's doing
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: that a lot more. He squats down. And I just
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: don't think any of that's really gonna work against the blas.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, not that he won't land punches. Everybody land
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: punches on the bat, right, but like you said, is
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: it really gonna make him count? Does he have enough
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: power to really hurt him? And I think the answer
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: is no. So I do think that Dubois will stop him.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the likely scenario here, But Dubois
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: has enough mystery to him that makes it interesting.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, And you know, and if Parker pulls
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: this one up, then I mean.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not taking he pulls this one off, I'm not
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: taking anything away from Himau they don't, then I'll beat
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: a younger guy than himself who was on a roll.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: And then then I'll jump on the I'll jump on
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: the chorus who's saying like, okay, you know, give him
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: a shot at the Yes, the whole thing, you know,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: not not the alphabet stuff, but I mean fighting the
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: man in this case, yeah, giving And.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: That would be to come all the way back and
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: get that fight yet for some piece of it or whatever,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: you know that before the piece. But you know, he
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: fought Joshua for you know, to unify and whatnot, and
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: it's like for him to come all the way back, man,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: that would be pretty crazy. But you could say the
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: same same thing about du Bois, you know, I mean
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: he got stunned, you know, on his way up, and
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: then for him to go all the way back that
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: would be phenomenal.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: And obviously we have better be in Bevol the rematch.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: You know, Beval did a lot of.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: A lot of good things early in the fight. You know,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: he was throwing his hands a little bit more.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was trying to commit a little bit more
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: earlier in the fight.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was combling and it was like, okay, man,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: he almost it almost felt like it was coming too
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: easy for him, and he couldn't believe it. You know,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: he's like, well, the man, I could really go off
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: on him. And then you know, as the fight went on,
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: as the body shots piled up, which I do think
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: better Beev is going to pile on more body shots
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: this time. You know, he started to fade. He started
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: to have rounds where he didn't do anything. We know,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Bush comes to shove. The last three rounds, he really
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: didn't throw many punches. The only answer is he was
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: hurt or whatever. He didn't want to get.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: Hurt worse, just doesn't have the mental He doesn't have
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: the mentality, doesn't seem to have the mentality.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, he says, I can't leave
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: it to the judges, okay, but my thing is, and
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: I wrote it down here, like you know, if he
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: does throw more punches. Okay, great, but that's only going
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: to open you up more, right, you know. And then
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: also like it's like if he's in that same similar scenario, right,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I said it like that, but
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: in the same thing same Let's say we feel like
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: it's about a draw. Let's say it's four to four, right,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: and then down the stretch like he says, it's gonna
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: be different this time, and he's gonna you know, he's
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: gonna close strong. It's like, well, you had the opportunity
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: when you had no losses. I just I think that
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: was his opportunity, John to do it and win the fight,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: and he didn't do it. So why all of a
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: sudden you're gonna find this energy all of a sudden
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: you're gonna you know, I don't know.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: I think the timing now, I think the timing. I
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: think the timing in his fight's a little better for
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: better beev because at his age, you know, if it
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: would have come a year year and a half later,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: he really he might just not have had anything left.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: But before the first fight, by all accounts, he was
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: legitimately coming off of a niscus injury and he was
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: laid off, and you know, and guy at an advanced age,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: he was able to come on late and legitimately win
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: the fight. I didn't see the whiners who were saying, oh,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: Bivall should have gotten a decision. No, Now it was
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: his own fault. He didn't do enough. It's going down
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: and that's the way it goes. You know, it was
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: there for him, but he didn't do enough down the
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: stretch of the fight. Now you know better be of
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: You know, he should be more rehabbed from that knee. Right,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have any more inactivity than than Bivoll, and
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: you know, he's not getting into his forties where there's
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: just gonna be nothing left. I think if they were
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: going to have this rematch, I think he rightfully questioned
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: what he wanted to do it just because Bivall's not
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: that entertaining of an opponent. Even though it was an
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: intriguing fight, you know, it wasn't total classic barn Burner
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: or something that you know, he might go in a
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: different direction, and I think Turkey al Chic was thinking
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: the same. Then they reverse course. You know, I think
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: maybe you know, Hern being with his own and Bivoll's
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: his guy, and they thought, Okay, we'll do this again.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: But I think the timing that's better for Better Beef
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: that they're doing it now. And I think when you
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: look at styles now we're getting at a point two
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: where and this is where Bivol's window might start closing.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: You know, he likes to jump around and box and
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: not be aggressive. Now he's getting up to you know,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: his mid thirties, there might start being a little being
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: some reflex slowing. Sure, yeah, reflexes slow wame just a
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: little bit, just a little bit, a little bit when
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: you're going against this guy when you're right and when
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: you fight like a puncherla is and when you fight
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: like he does where he's very cautious and things. So
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: I think the timing, you know, it could still be
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: very tight, but I think the timing of the rematch
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: is good for Better VIEV. I think that factor and
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: Bivoll not showing the mentality we needed to see from
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: him late in that first fight, I don't think that's
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: gonna change. So I think that's enough for Better BF
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: to get another win. I mean, you know, Bivol's a
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: very cautious guy in there. Tough to picture him getting stopped.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, better b has got the power to stop
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: anybody or break him down late if he hits him enough.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: But Bivoll is a guy that's cautious enough and so
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: focused on his boxing that wouldn't really feel secure picking
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: him to get stopped. But I think that I think
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: that you know, could be close again. But I think
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: better BF probably would be in a little better shape
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: for this rematch and and that should be enough for
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: him to do it again.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he may just pick up where he left off.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: That could happen too, you know.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: Now, of course, you know the old saying of the
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: thirteenth round and the guy who boxes sometimes does have
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: an advantage.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: But it didn't.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: It didn't end that way, and he wasn't moving his hands.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's interesting.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: So better be of is a plus eight for knockout, right,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: but by decision John plus two forty six.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: So the odds, so the odds makers think he's going
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: to get the stop and you have to read into
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: because that's what they're telling you. Yeah, interesting, but they
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: I think you make a good point there, Chris. It
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: doesn't always happen, but a lot of but you do
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: see it happen sometimes you make an excellent point the
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: way this first fight ended a lot of times when
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: you have a rematch like that, then yeah, that it does.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: It does kind of continue whenever gave him he took
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: it right, it does kind of continue like that.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like in other words that at last three rounds
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: especially Bival wasn't doing enough and and better Be at
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: that point was really just walking him down, Yes, which
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: even surprised me a bit that you know, he just
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: he was comfortable just kind of walking him down at
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: that point. He kept doing it. And that's pressure when
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: you're not stopping a guy from doing that to you
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: or frustrating him. Yeah, that that's pressured inn on you.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: And that's what was happening to Bivall late in that fight.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: So uh, and you know, we know better beev, we
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: know he brings the power, so uh, your power is
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: the last thing to go. So at his age, that
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: that's the part he has to worry about the least.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: Presumably you know that the power will still be there
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: as long as he's got the delivery system and enough
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: reflexes to still get there.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just I don't know the the amount
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: of like movement with his legs and just throwing more
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: punches like that, just the things that he's gonna have
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: to do to win this fight. Uh don't. I just
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I don't know if he
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: has it in him. And I think if he did,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: he would have showed us, would have showed us in
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: that first fight, you know.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: I think so too. And with Bivoll usually it doesn't
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: necessarily compare the matter, but with him it does, especially
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: the way you saw the finish in that first fight.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: He didn't have the mentality to get to get aggressive
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: against lesser opposition that he was dominating and around. So
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: now you're you know, you're asking him to do that
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: against Better Bev, And you and I were both wondering
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: before the first fight because you're wondering how that plays out,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: Like is he is he going to prove to be
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: a fighter that when he gets threatened with the guy
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: with that that that kind of brings out a dog
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: in him to fight back. Well, that didn't happen with Bivoll.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: He showed a little bit of flashes early, but then
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: late it was the same old bivel you know, like
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: that didn't come out in him, and Better Beev was
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: just walking him down. So you know, there were some
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: comparisons with that fight, and I thought they were kind
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: of good comparisons, and I was on the side where
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: where you know, eveno it wasn't pretty, I thought Trinidad
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: did pull it off against De la Joya just because
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: De la Joya went into one of those. Yeah, And
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I thought those were good comparisons for that.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: Bivol better B have one, you know, like, you know, hey,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: better B is just walking them down after that, and
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: Bivall is just not doing it anymore. He's not doing anything.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: But you know, I don't Oscar didn't have the cautious
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: overall mentality that, Yeah.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: He was definitely putting bigger shots on TV, and it was.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: More just in that fight that wasn't like a career
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: history for him. Sure, you know, you know, Oscar is
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: getting and he would get lesser opponents out of there
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: and things. You know, Bivall, we've had an unusual problem
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: for Bivoll being a top fighter, like not being willing
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: to step on the gas and get lesser people out
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: of there and stuff. So he's he's been unusually problematic
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: like that, especially.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: With the built in almost default TKO that we have
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: right today. You know, it's kind of a default TKL,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: like if you move your hands, man, it's a good
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: chance that rev is gonna stop this fight, especially like
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: you said, when it's a lesser opponent where you could
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: clearly see the guy the person doesn't belong in the
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: ring with them for winning purposes. Now here, I just
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: want to throw this at you.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: So we're both on decision.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta go to see. Yeah. I just think
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: with Bivol's cautious nature boxing ability, I can't even with
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: better be his power, I can't. I can't pick a
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: stoppage there.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: And I could see him clinch Moore in this fight too.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: I do see that. I definitely see him clinch more.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: Now here's the thought wonder if so it's such a
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: a long, deep card, right and it's no complaints here,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: This is just a thought process, right. Wonder if they
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: like took like they split up the card and they
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: went three and three and.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: Then filled out those cards.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Is it almost like they're like shooting their shot and
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: it's too big of a shot for one thing, Like
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: it just it's a great card and I'm I'll you know,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to watch it.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: It's phenomenal. It's a deep card.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: But I heard someone the other day say that, and
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: I thought, huh, that is kind of interesting because you'd
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: still have a deep card if you added another fight
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: to it. I don't know, it just kind of made
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: me think of, like, you know, that's not a bad idea,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: but I hate to say it because it's such a
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: great card.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: But you know what, I have thought about it a lot,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: But but the more I'm thinking about it, it might
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: be a marketing thing, like where it's because boxing's not
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: marketed like it should now, not getting the exposure because
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: let's look at it this way, you have to be
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: a hardcore. But there's only hardcore people watching this too.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: If it was if it was saying it was an
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: NFL playoff triple header with a with a with a
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: with a one with a one o'clock, you know, at
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: four o'clock and like at eight o'clock. You know, there's
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of people in the US who I mean,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: I've done it, you've done it? Who just watch all
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: those games? It's Year's Day, right, right, New Year's Day?
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: You know, if you kind of like, had it really defined? Well,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know they're putting times out, but we
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: know that it's not being marketed for us sensibilities. But
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: if I want to say, I mentioned that though, because
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: if I want to say one thing in their favor,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: the marketing is not there for us sensibilities. But if
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: they were going to do this concept, the time might
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: be right, because you know, I can't in the East.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, if if you, let's say it was going
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: to be a card just long, he can't start it
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: at five o'clock and then I'm sitting there at four
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning watch the main events. So that's
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: not gonna work that either. I mean, like for an
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: East coaster, this would be the best time to do
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: the way the time setup would be the best. And
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: I've kind of lost sight of that because I think, oh,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: it's all day, just like you're saying, and I might
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: want to do other things. But when I'm thinking about it,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: like I'm like, well but I do that for like
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: an NFL playoff or college playoff ball game?
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah night, you know, yeah, good stuff.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: I'll keep watching.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: That's I mean, so it's really and this is good stuff.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of a when you're it's actually maybe
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: a little deeper that it's just we're just not it's.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: Just not accustomed to watch. I mean, lately these six
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: hour cards have been a little intense, right, But if
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: it's six you know, if it's five to six hours
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: of this totally different story.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: Totally different story, where then you got to look at
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: it more like an NFL playoff day, College Bowl playoff
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: day or something like that, where you might do something
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: like that, and this is that kind of quality not
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: accustomed to it, We're not accustomed to it, and it's
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: not really marketed to it. And part of it, again,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: I think then is the sensibilities. Let's say, even though
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: we're boxing fans and there's some great fights who we're
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: gonna watch them anyway, but let's say maybe you had
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: a lineup of this quality and it was American heavy
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: or you know, with with the fighters or fighters who
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: at least had fought in the US a lot and
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: had big US followings. Because I think about even some
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: of those HBO days, like I was thinking before we
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: get on, like you know, you did have in the nineties,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: like guys like Andrew Galatta, you know, he's Polish, but
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: you got a lot of Polish Americans in the East.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: You know, he's fighting to Chicago, Like, you know, people
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: people you know, they know they know about who the
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: guy was pretty quick, you know, and you had other
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: fighters like that. Like so even if like you had
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: these guys we've got Saturday, if some of them had
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: been like like I'm talking about Zang, like he has
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: that potential. Now he's living in Jersey, he trains in
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: New York, but like he's not getting the exposed. You know,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: he's not getting the exposure. Like people aren't watching Jang
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: on his own, you know, like too bad. You know,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: he has the personality, has the potential to personalit.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: Now he's had some you know, ESPN Plus and stuff,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean not the real high profile where
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of us people would be seeing them. Just
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: saying like maybe if if we had the fighters who
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: had that kind of us exposure at least, maybe we
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: could look at this all day thing and we'd be
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: maybe looking at it a little bit differently.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. That was just kind of interesting
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: at that. You know, could it be two separate cards?
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: You know, are they going like could they ever match
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: this again, that's right. I don't know. I really don't
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: know if they can match. It's gonna be tough, like
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: really like if you go off odds, I don't see
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: anyone being the match this. You know, Yeah, this is good.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: This is good. I mean it's it's good and I'm
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: glad it's at a time where we're going to be
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: able to see it. But you got to devote your
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: whole day. And I'm not saying that.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: Winter at least that that helps that it's it's been
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: cold enough. Yeah, yeah, it'd be it'd be interesting. Like
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: I said, I understand. You know, we'll get pushed I
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: get pushed back from the show when you know when
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: we say that, you know, it's just it's nothing against
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: its own. It's just you know that that that car
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: back in August was a bailable on three different platforms.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: You know. Now I'm not saying it went through the
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: roof because obviously it didn't, but like you know, it
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: just goes back to the growth thing. You know, we
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: keep and then now we're hearing oh no, boxing just
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: moving to the east as if it's like organically happy,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: you know, are you sure?
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: Like so the the biggest market now isn't the US.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: It's like really.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: Really right they say.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: That, but the money, right, but the money produced in
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: most of those other areas doesn't back it up because
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: you only have a few guys like that now in
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: a way came out on that list, that would be
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: really a first time a guy that small did thirty
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: five million reported in earnings, So that proved that in Japan. Yes,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: we know his ratings are high, proves the money's there
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: with it, and you know you got Fury and Husick
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: making that money, you know, Ukrainian British guy. But but
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: still that's like, but that's not like all in one
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: country or anything. Yeah, it's in different countries in the US,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: but it's not like they're not like markets where it's
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: like every boxer that's fighting in Japan or in the
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: UK or in or who's Ukrainian is making a fort
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: and it's just you know, these these these few guys.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: It also proves that you don't want to have any
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: way out of Japan too many more times though in
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: a row, because they got something going, you know, so
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: and you can go there and make a bunch of money.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: So I just hope that they don't.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: You know, it does sound like there's gonna be cards
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: here and all that, but you know, I just hope
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: that they don't go away because, like like I said,
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: it's not organically happening.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: Right, you know, right, But if you want to be
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: crazy at even though it's a YouTube thing and an influencer,
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: you can't totally count it out though, because the guy's boxing.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: But Jake Paul made forty four million three, so he's
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: the highest paid American American boxer. Yeah, but he's up there,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: you know, with forty four millions. So again it's Jake Paul,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: but he's boxing. And you know Cadelo was at seventy
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: eight million or something.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he's a second big I'm counting his.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 3: Mexican You know, he spends a lot of time in
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: San Diego, you know, appeals to us sensibilities, but his
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: fights are free on Mexican TV, so you know he's Mexican.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, Cadelo was. I think he was on there
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: at seventy eight million. These numbers seem credible, so I
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 3: guess it Sportico. But so you always want to make
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: a note when you see a list like that that
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: looks credible. So when we're talking in these ideas, at
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 3: least you have something a little more concrete. So this
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: is just off the top of my head, not googling.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: It was like Fury one forty four mil, yeah, two,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: which we can read the Saudi you know, put in
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: the two fights to it makes sense, gives you a
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: little idea of what they're getting paid two fights, Canelo
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: seventy eight million, Joshua sixty million, which these all kind
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: of makes sense. Then Jake Paul like forty four million
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 3: in a way thirty five right, yeah, and it makes
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: it actually makes sense.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it seems like a linees up and there's
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: other it's not just a boxing list, right, it's right.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: These were the guys on the list that were boxers. Yeah.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: And then so they pulled out the boxers, you know, right,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: and these were the boxer But the boxers that's where
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 3: it's still as wild for boxing. I mean, you had
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: guys they were right up there, like I think Fury
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: was three or something like that, you know, so so
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: they're still up that that's the argument for free market
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: and boxing. I mean, you know, so boxers it's just
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: a few, but in all sports they were near, you know,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: a few were near the top.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not just us being biased because we're
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: an American. Sure that's in there someplace, no doubt. But
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: you know, to just you can't ignore the market either,
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: you know, right, just it just it just makes no sense,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: you know. So I I hope it's it is a
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: path of both. Like real quick, we didn't talk about,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: but Canelos signed a four fight deal and three out
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: of the four fights are gonna be inside.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, to me, this is at.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: Least a second is going to be here in September.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: But but it's like to me, like the second at
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: least the second time in his career, and the way
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 3: I've put it, i'd put it before, I thought this
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: was another instance of this. And I don't know which
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: of the two it is. Either Canelo does and you know,
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: when he gets to a certain point he doesn't understand
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: taking himself to the next level for us sensibilities, because
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: I would think that would matter to him with how
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: much time he spends here and you know, with his
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: fan base and everything, or he doesn't care and he's
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: on that list, he's on that list, on that list,
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: right money, Yeah, so he made plenty of money. Yeah,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: seventy eight million. He's generating it, like right, so he's yeah,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: so he's generating it's canal Canal is seventy eight million.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: But you know, like, and especially at the stage of
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: the career, he's a like to me, even no matter
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: what the numbers are, it doesn't make sense, like, you know,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: why not fight Jake Paul? I mean, think of the
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: money it would make. You Just saw the team numbers
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: they're at. Jake Paul's at forty four billion, Canals at
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: seventy eight That tells you the money they're generating basically,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: so you.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: Know he's gonna be on Netflix again.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, easy win. For Get the exposure on Netflix. Like
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 3: I said, I think you would end up close to
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: fight time getting pearl clutchers for Canelo. Believe it. I
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: would say, well, he's got a it's that two hundred.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: He's only five nine and he's got a weigh in
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: at two hundred, right, even though I think it'd be
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: an easy ko for Canelo, he's going way up and
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: weight and yet, yeah, then just sign for the Crawford fight,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe do a one fight deal or something,
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: and you.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: Know, better promotion than to be on Netflix before.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: A Crawford fight.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then if better Bev comes out of this
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 3: Bivol rematch, I mean even he's got to get old.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: Everybody's got to get old.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 5: Ye.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: So, like you know, you've got that light heavyweight, the
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: real white heavyweight title. That could be your finale. You know,
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: you take the shot that better Bev's gotten older, or
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: even if it's Bivol, but he's gotten older, you go
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: for the rematch there that would be a fitting finale.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: Or if he wants the finale to be Benavidez or
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: something like, why not like Paul Crawford, that's a lot
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: of money. Then you fight like a Benavidez or a
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: bi of All better be of Winter and Ryan to
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 3: the Sunset or something. Yeah, this and then there the
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: skull and this nonsense with Alpha.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: And now they're gonna do that two times undisputed. Right,
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: he handed him the belt and now he's taking it back.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: That's all the alphabet nonsense. And which is the bad right,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: just the bad parts of the game. And then other
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: fights they're talking about on they're not good. But I
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: don't I don't, I don't get it. I don't get it.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: I don't get it, but to me, it's it's it's
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: basically the same decision Canelo made. It I thought was
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: a bad one that in a way he did turn
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: back on where he signed with his own the first time.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: You know, just kind of he decreased and his numbers
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: were going down then, you know, like in terms of
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: viewership they really were. You know, he had to he
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: had to kind of build that back up. Now yeah,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: kind of you know, got it built back up some
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: and now he's gonna go back to you know this,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: I don't you know.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: When I noticed John that, I heard a couple of
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: people say, well, man, Turkey really saved multiple platforms and
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: and keep Netflix out of boxing.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: And it's like that makes you want to in boxing?
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You know? And it's just
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: so funny because it goes back to that Al Hayman thing.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: They it's like, well, you weren't like, hold on, wait
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: a second, on, so if canelogos the Netflix and let's say,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: you know, Al wasn't gonna have something to do that,
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: but let's say it wasn't. Is that going to be
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: bad then? Because it hurts No, it's it's it's exposure.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: You either care for the sport or you don't. You know,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: it was Turkey saved the day.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: Really now, I even reposted it because.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: Sitated stuff. Okay, you sign a four year deal, your
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: first fight's a gum, isn't that Haven't we seen that
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: before in boxing? That's nothing.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's crazy. But like Jake Paul was
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: making sense, like when this deal fell through, like what
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: he said afterward, he was making some sense. I mean
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: he was like, you know, I've got the you know,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: this is the best marketing for the sport. He was
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: talking like a businessman, but he was a businessman. That
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: was correct because we were just talking about it a
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks before that, like you know, yeah, you
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: can laugh at a Canelo Paul fight, but if you
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: really want the sport to get the exposure of sports
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: desperate And then Jake Paul was saying that like after
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: it's like, hey, you know, this was the opportunity to
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 3: get on Netflix, get eyeballs to the sport. I mean
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: that was all true. That really all was true.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: And yeah, an emphasis on the meaning of the fight
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: or something, right, right, It's just you know, but like
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: I said last week, John, I don't think they realized
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: what asuals think of this sport. They already think it's
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: beyond corrupt. They already think it's a joke. So if
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: you're gonna sit there, oh we can't What do you mean, dude,
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: what can't we do in this damn?
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: Oh exactly, that's part of that's part of the crazy
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: charm of.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: Bombas Zucker be ugly. You're not happy of it.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, it is what it is, but you know, like
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: you said, one benefit get out of it too, is
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: there's a lot that now we're at a point where
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that want to see Jake
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: Paul get knocked out. Yes, I mean there's a lot
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 3: of there's a lot of people that want to see
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: that knockout cash out of Jake. Oh, that's gonna be building.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: There's gonna be a big base building up for that.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: So and then got that Jake did say he was
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: gonna fight Canelo at some point a couple of years ago,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: and then he can be pushing that like, hey, I
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: told you guys.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: You guys laughed at me, you know, And and so
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: it's a build.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: And it is what it is. You know, some of
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: these people were pumped about the Jake Paul Tice and fight,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: but now they don't want to do this, right, what
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: are we doing here? You know, Like I don't think
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: they get that. They most people think boxing is a joke, right,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. It sucks, but it's true. They
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: already think it's corrupt and people aren't you're not getting
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: those people back.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: No, they're not seen enough. We need things where the
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 3: people are gonna at least see it. So the Polkyson
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: was a joke, but then you got people watching it,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: like like, at least the Paul Canelo is better than that,
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: as crazy as that is to say, because of the
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: ages of the guys. So you know, like and and
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of people want to see Jake Paul get
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: knocked out at this point, so you know, and and
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: Canelo at least is at least Canelo has got the
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: biggest name today.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: So and when you look at the odds, they're right
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: in the same pole park.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the thing, Like you're even when
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: you know, well it is really And when I put
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: it out there, Steven Spinosa, he did give a repost
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 3: on it, like your Draft Kings made a you know,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: they're working. You know, gambling became we guys, of course
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: all the markets are doing. But they just turned a
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: big profit. Like that was a big stock news deal.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: This has been in the last week. Why it's directly
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: boxing related is because one thing they've become real good
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: or early on and we should be paying attention to
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: as hardcore boxing people, is they're all over boxing now.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: I mean the Draft Kings logo. You look at all
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: these fights TBC top like, I mean, they're everywhere, so
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: like they're they're in it, you know what I mean,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 3: Like they're in it. And if you go on Draft Kings,
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: you know you always see boxing popping up and stuff,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: so like like they're in it. They turned you know,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: they they turned a real good profit. The stock went
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: went way up. That's an indirect kind of good thing
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: for boxing because you know, boxing has had trouble getting
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: sponsors and stuff, and they're they're all they're all a
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: fresh news sponsor too, right, and and you know live
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: sports matters to them because you can't gamble want to
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: take a fight, so you know, like that that's a connection.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: So I mean, like these are the things you got
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: to be looking at. So like if if Jake Paul
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: and Cadello, if you can get betting action, like even
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: if people have the illusion that it generates betting action,
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: that they're thinking, oh, well, Paul's bigger than them, you know,
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 3: that's all you need. I mean, then people start betting
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: on it, and you got more eyeballs on it and
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: boxing up that momentum.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: Young people would be on that fight, you know.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, my nieces know who Jake Paul is.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: You know, like what, I'm still in high school, like,
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just you know, my brother used to
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: be a hardcore fan and he's kind of he's one
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: of the people that's become disillusioned. As we know, you
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: can't blame anybody, so he drifted out of it. But
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: it's like, my nieces know who, Like, they know who
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: Jake Paul. They know he's got oh he's got a
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 3: fight covering guy. He's got a fight covering guy.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's I just I don't think people will
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: grasp it's just one fight, and the deal called for
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: a one off. It was a one of off, you know,
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: so it's like I just don't understand.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: I don't I really don't get it either, I mean,
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: just because can I mean, you've got a problem.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: Thank god he didn't do it, like you, Who are
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: we thinking?
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: That's what I said, who we think it for what it's.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: And like I said, if Turkey wants to flip this
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: sport on his head, cool, But that's a run of
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: the meal side deal that I'm looking at.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: And what I don't get too is like over paid.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: Why why doesn't Why doesn't Turkey they're overpaying anyway? Like
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: why doesn't he overpay Jake Paul to be on to
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: be on one of these cards?
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: Right? What I think Jacob turn right around and be
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: like see later Netflix? You know what I mean? Like right.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: Everything else? I mean, you know, overpay for a Jake
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: Paul and put him on the card. I mean why not?
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: I mean that that that's like kind of the creed.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: You know, there needs, like we keep saying, there needs
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 3: to be some creative marketing. One thing you and I
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: called for is no pay per view, or at least
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 3: get it down, right. They got the cost down and
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: still be better have no pay per view, but at
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 3: least it's low enough where they are listening somewhat to that.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: But they need to do more.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: And if you stumble upon it, most people that are
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: combat sports, when they see it twenty five, I think
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: it does make a difference. But if they see it,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't rely on the day of someone
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: on Twitter going oh wow, you know, and.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: They don't make it as easy to get as they should,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: Like you got to sign out for his own monthly
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: to subscription and cancel. It's the I told that guy.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: I told him about pay per view dot com. He
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: never heard that, so I had to. I had to
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: explain it, and you know, say, hey, you don't need
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: to have a subscription to do this, you know, but
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: I had to explain it to him. He don't He
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't notice that. He doesn't notice that, you know, he
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: wants to watch fights though he does want to, you know.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: He literally the first thing he said was where do
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: I watch fights? He's like, yeah, that's what we're dealing
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: with right now. You know.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: No, And at Steven Espinosa years back said, could you know, hey,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: he's one of the top broadcast guys and he still
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: can helping on it. He said that he felt one
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: of the biggest problems have become that just the way
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: you described it that the casual fan, the potential casual
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: fan didn't even know where what to watch it him
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: for boxing, and that really is true, Like they don't
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: even it's that bad, Like they don't they're like where
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: where do I watch it? Or who who am I
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: supposed to watch? And it's not clear, you know, you
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: can't go by the dumb alphabet stuff and everything, and
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: that's what gets marketed. So it's like, right, there's no
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: direction pointing a casual fan what to watch except somebody
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: like Jake Paul. So again, that's kind of what we're
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: getting at, like we got if they got to start somewhere,
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: and maybe that's the circus aspect of it still, right,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: you know who Jake Paul is.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not saying hits the future to him, you
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: know him.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: I've never advocated that, Right, he's done his thing now.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: He clearly wants to cash out, So let's cash him out,
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: you know exactly. Yeah, all right, John, I sciates you
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: going longer than normal.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: We had a lot of fights.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is uh, it's hard to make predictions for
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: all these damn fights.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, this is one. This is one period
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: this week with last week and then of course the
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: huge week this week that yeah, it's justified. We have
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: we have to put the time and this is a
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: this is a rare week.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: All right, you have a good one and take it easy.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: All right. Christ's good being with you guys always, all right,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: take care.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: All right. So just a couple of little things here
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: to kind of.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: Just to go minorly.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: Then I'm gonnae it out here because it has been
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: pretty long, but just to break down the the Ortiz
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: modrum of fight a little bit more. You know, I
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: think both of them have very good jabs. At times,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: they leave themselves open while jabbing. And I think, you know,
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: because obviously magic my lunges, like I said, a little
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: too much. But but you see ortis not necessarily lunging,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: but leaving himself open as well. And just his hand
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: placement I've seen it pointed out. I thought of myself
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: as well, where you're just like man, his hands are
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: in a very vulnerable spot. So I would say ortis
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: definitely has to keep his hands higher now instead of,
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: like I said, relying pretty much solely on upper body
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: and head movement. But it's not that he can't do
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: that because he can't. He's actually I'm not gonna call
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: him slick, but he's more talented than you think. Yeah,
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: he's been in brawls, but he is more talented, I think.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: You know, then you think, and then when they're up close,
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: you know, the high guard, both of them do kind
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: of get in that thing and and and I think
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: that's the key. Who will land the better shots on
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: their opponent in the high guard. And actually both of
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: them faint a lot too, And I think that's kind
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: of an interesting.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 5: Thing, like who wins in the exchanges, who wins, you know,
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 5: who gets the I think I think Arties will get
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 5: the better on the inside, But if he opens up
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 5: and there's an exchange in there, mandra Mov.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: Could do his thing. So I think some of the
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: stuff you see when Madrumov is under control coming forward,
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: I think it is a lot of good stuff. And
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: he does use angles. He's on this side then that side,
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: and he's ready to punch. But I do think that
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: Arties can match enough of that. So I'm I do
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: think it will be decision to the uh better at Bivil.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: Like I said, if he does throw more two and
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: three punch combos, you know, that's gonna open up his defense,
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: and I just don't know if you know, I don't
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: know if he can you know, like I mentioned be
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: in that same scenario and then close strong. I'll say this,
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: like Bivil his jab, his whole his left hand in general,
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: his jab and his left hook was very effective in
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: that fight. For a long time. He countered really well
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: with the right hand off of the turbie of his jab,
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: either a right hand or like a one to two.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: He had time for a one to two in there.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: And there's times where better be Of was kind of
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: shelled up, because he shells up a lot, but it's
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: a different type of show up where he's looking to
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: snow punch you, but he will let you get some
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: punches off, you know, and then he closes the gap.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: And you know, there were times where he probably could
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: have landed an extra punch or two, and I don't
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: think he took it fully. Advantage that you have to
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: anytime that there's not much coming back, you have to
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: take advantage of that with this guy. Better bee Of
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: eventually cut off the ring, he started attacking the body.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: He forced Bibil to show up in that work right
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: just dropped so look for Bibel to not shell up
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: as much, and instead I think you'll see clinching more.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: I think, like I mentioned too, better be a we'll
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: go to the body earlier. Just wanted to kind of
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: add a little bit into that. But it's a phenomenal card.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's it's just so deep, like I
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: don't know how much time, you know, how much I
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: could say. It's like, it's just I just don't know
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: if they could ever match this card again because of
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: you know, the plus two hundred and down, plus one
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: eighty and down for the underdog. It's pretty crazy. It
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: is crazy, you know, looking at I think it's Josh Padley.
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: I believe who.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: Who uh Shakoor. It's probably gonna fight. I think I
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: read someplace that he was the twelfth in the WBC.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: I know he fought Chamberlain. He beat Chamberlain not all
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: that long ago, so.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: You know, it is what it is.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, supposedly Floyd Schofield was sick. But as Jake
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 1: Donovan says, right here, this is where Floyd Senior does
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: his son of disservice. Everyone's already calling Floyd Junior or Duck.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: Yet as noted below it was the commission called to
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: pull him out from the show, but posting dumb stuff
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: like they poisoned my son. It's true, It's like, what
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: are we talking about, dude, they poisoned my son? Is
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: this uh you know, is this snack work Chaquur's massage?
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: Lady wiped a cream on my son? So you think
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: the cream, Like when I first saw the cream thing,
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: I thought, you mean they're trying to like put something
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: in so he'll pop on a test, you know, But yeah,
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: to do this, it's just it's kind of like you
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: just don't know what to believe sometimes what comes out
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: of that dude's mouth. He's talking about how the you know,
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: they're planting drugs in the car and they you know,
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: just some random ship. And then, like I said, it
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: goes back to when you see what he was doing
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: to that that woman on cameras, Like I've always had
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: a bad vibe with that dude. And when you do
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: stuff like this, man, it just it just it really
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: does make you worse man. And I don't think he
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 1: necessarily knows that. I did see Lance Pugmer tweet that
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: Benavidez has accepted the invitation for Turkey and he will
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: be attending it. And you know, the WBC maintains that
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: Benevitez is next to the line, so that would be phenomenal.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: And like I've said before, if Turkey wants to have
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: that fight over there, Ben if he just got to
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: do what he's got to do. You know, he's not
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: Canelo yet. You know, I don't think he'll ever be
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: that popular, but he had he's really grown his his
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: fan base here. But going for a fight over there
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: and then coming back, he's young enough to be good
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: to go. So when I say Canelo will fight three,
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: you know that I'm kind of disappointed that he'd fight
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: three out of the sport fights over in Sadi. You know,
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: I think that you need your start fighting in the
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: star market for him. But with Benifitdez, since Canela won't
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: fight him, I think if if push comes to shove,
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get a ton of money. And like we
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: said earlier, whether people see that or not as much,
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think it hurts you, you know.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: And I saw brunch boxing shots out.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: To Matt and Company as you're and everyone breaking news
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: about Marco's Madonna in a in a in a motorcycle
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: accident and I did see you know that clip and
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: he not up the vaccinent, but you know, he he
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: looked like it shook him up some. So hopefully, you know,
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: hopefully he can be okay. So yeah, I mean, like,
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: here's an example. Someone on Twitter said, North America clearly,
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: clearly isn't the primary audience anymore.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: And they say, shoe other foot right, and they laugh haha.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: And this is This is Steven Sorby and Mark Otega
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: having a conversation and he said, we're getting great fights.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: Ortega said this, we're getting great fights, but I keep
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: but I have to keep a window open from eight
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: forty five am to four thirty open in order to
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: see them all. Seems like a terrible plan, uh, continually
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: to ask your audience to commit that much time and
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: pay for the whole card. Also pay for the card
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: at least give the first two fights away for free.
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: Now that part I don't I don't know about all that.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: But to say the North America, north America clearly isn't
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: the primary audience anymore, well, what is the primary audience?
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: Are you saying that Desadi is the primary audience for
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: this or are you saying UK now is the primary
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: audience because when they were going to Dubois Dubai, De
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: bois I said, Dubois Dubai like Dubai. When they were
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: going there and in other places as well, it was
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: hurting the UK market clearly, you know, they weren't having
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: big fights there and it does affect it. So does
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: everything have to be here in Vegas? No, No, not
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: at all. But he goes on to say the complaint
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 1: isn't about the time of day, it's about how long
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: it is, you know, seven eight hours something like that.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 1: And they said, he said, doesn't baseball games last forever?
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  Speaker 1: You know, with relatively not a lot happening, It's not
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  Speaker 1: seven hours, dude. You know these events will feature shows
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  Speaker 1: in other countries with local fans. Oh, that's what he said.
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  Speaker 1: These events will lead to future shows and other countries
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  Speaker 1: with local fans trusting and believing in the quality being offered.
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  Speaker 1: They're the ones which will have more suitable time spans. Like,
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  Speaker 1: so you're gonna grow this market you're talking about to
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  Speaker 1: fans that don't go to fights, and now they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go to the fights when you already have the UK, Japan, US,
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  Speaker 1: you already have places that people go to, so why
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't you want to have the quality fights here as
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  Speaker 1: well more of them because you already have butts in
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  Speaker 1: the seats. So to say that the local fans what
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  Speaker 1: one country now, so now they're gonna go to these like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I'm not saying I don't
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  Speaker 1: none of the fights should be in Saudi. I just
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 1: said ben Avidas could go to Sadi because of the scenario.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not And I understand if the government is gonna
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  Speaker 1: give money, obviously they gotta have fights in Saudi too.
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  Speaker 1: I've never said no fights in Sadi. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like the crowds are getting bigger and more.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like I'm glad that they don't charge that
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  Speaker 1: much money, but still, like here in the US, flying
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  Speaker 1: to Vegas or any other city for that matter, and
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  Speaker 1: flying to Saudi are two different things. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't drink a lot anymore, but I know plenty
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  Speaker 1: of people that would want to be a fight. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm not saying none of them.
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  Speaker 1: But when you say these brand new markets that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to expand, and these are the fights that are
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  Speaker 1: going to grow the sport in places where it's not popular,
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to go to those things. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if you have a quality card, why not get it
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  Speaker 1: its biggest exposure. That's all I'm saying. Jay Row said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay with fighters not wanting to fight a racist.
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  Speaker 1: Don't give races a payday. Fuck them. What I'll never
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  Speaker 1: understand as friends not wanting to fight each other and
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  Speaker 1: help each others financially betterment of their family. That is
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  Speaker 1: a good point. And he showed you know some old
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  Speaker 1: superclipse of of just that where it's like, yeah, sippy boxing,
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: how does Kishan do against the lightweight division? He mentioned
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  Speaker 1: Loma Gravante, Anda Cruz, and Martaya, like those are those
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  Speaker 1: are all really good fights and I think at least
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: two of them, you know, could could happen. This is
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: more box Twitter Slash News segment for a little bit here.
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: Bredman said, bad decision Rune's legacies. Jack Catterall was robbed
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: versus Taylor in their first fight. He should have been
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: lineal got revenge in the rematch, but Taylor wasn't champion anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Now he has to wait on another shot. No such
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  Speaker 1: thing as a fair fair in boxing, that is true.
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  Speaker 1: No sense fair and boxing. You know, there is no
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  Speaker 1: fair and boxing. But I don't think he got robbed
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  Speaker 1: against Taylor, And I damn sure don't think he got
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  Speaker 1: robbed here. Now, could you give him the fight? I'd
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  Speaker 1: be just fine. Like I said, if you gave him
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  Speaker 1: seven to five, be fine with me. I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: complaining whatsoever. But no one got robbed in this fight.
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  Speaker 1: Oh a little surprise, you know, but no one really
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 1: got robbed. There is so shots out to Matt brunch boxing.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: Right here we go, he says the rumor during the
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: Rumor report, the top rank on ESPN is not quite done.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: That was a Saturday show, And he went on to
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: say that it looks like ESPN according to his sources,
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: that ESPN's interested in bringing back top rank, but just
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: at a lower price point for the deal per year,
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: which that makes sense because I don't think they've you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have the numbers in front of it, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they've made you know, that kind of
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  Speaker 1: dent like that, so that that would be good. I
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  Speaker 1: want to see. That's the thing. I want to understand
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  Speaker 1: ESPN man or even join the Amazon and PBC and
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  Speaker 1: Amazon in top rank. That would be great to me. Oh,
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 1: by the way, Clariss Shields. A lot of people got
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: glazed again. She tested positive for marijuana, which was really like,
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: from my understanding, it could come from you know, saliva.
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  Speaker 1: That's how little it was. Well, well, we'll talk a
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 1: little bit more about that in the future. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people were just you know, overjoyed that
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: the rumor was she tested positive for a BB and
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: that was not the case. And this is what Xandersya
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: said after his win. I'm number one in the WBC.
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  Speaker 1: I'm number three in the WB. I don't know, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: number one in WBO, number one in the WBC. Sebastian
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  Speaker 1: Fandora is next, Like is he just saying that or
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 1: is you know what I mean? Also, Boxer and NBC
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  Speaker 1: partnership done didn't last long, unfortunately. Here's Jim Krassi said
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: Martaya or Abdullah would be a perfect dext opponent for Kishan,
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: but they're fighting each other and going the IPF route
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  Speaker 1: before unification bolls happen. I think we see Kishan defend
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 1: his belt a few times, and he actually mentioned noakes
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 1: or that badly. Both ranked tying the w p O. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I agree, I kind of agree in general
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  Speaker 1: with what he's saying here that that could be the case.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 1: But the you know, like Rattayev or Abdulah, but like
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: that or the winner of that, you know that that
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 1: that would be ideal. That'd be two really good fights
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: or just one whatever. Adrian Delgado Tank Davis Kishan Davis
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  Speaker 1: would be an explosive matchup. Both excellent body punchers. Two.
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 1: I could see where Tank's range of motion and footwork
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 1: will give him will get get him to the target quicker.
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 1: But Kishan's physicality would allow him to absorb punches, positioning
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: him to land his own. That is that that is
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: an explosive matchup. Man double a Adam from sm Boxing
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: ESPN announcing Richard Torres will fight Guido Venanelli. Is it
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 1: VNLLI April fifth, and he said, great fight, man, I'm
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: really I like that fight a lot. That is I
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: can't you know, that's a step up fight. Speaking of
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: Xander's eyes, Charles Comwell said, Cagrats, I would love to
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: fight you this year for the WBO mandatory spot or
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 1: interim title. You're number one, I'm number two. Let's make
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: it happen. I don't know if that's gonna happen, but
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: that sure would be nice. Fred says it's gonna be
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: wild when Top Right falls under the PBC banner and
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: they can't dug matchups. Yeah. Here here's there was a
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: post here at Floyd Schofield Junior saying Sakor Stevenson called
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: the swat team on them and planted drugs in their car.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: It's just like, dude, what are we doing? Man? What
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: are we doing here?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Greg, Wait, hold on, that's not let me zoom in
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 1: on that. That's great Gray, And I heard that he
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: isn't like box trick Gray, So I'm not gonna say anymore.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 3: You know, I just did.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: Sorry, But Gray said, would appreciate he said nasty business
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 1: on the timeline tonight from the usual boxing riff rap.
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: Would appreciate a reporter getting a statement from the commission
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 1: instead of replying on words from people who inherently hate
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 1: or are paid to defend the fighter. Both not one
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: hundred percent reliable facts. Let's get some facts. Yeah, And
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 1: it turned out as it turned out. You know the
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 1: folks that went early with that with Clarissa there, you know,
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 1: it wasn't what they wanted to be, let's put it
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 1: that way. I also saw that Dalton was confirmed for
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: the WBC Mando and March versus Sandor Martin and Alberta Playo. So, uh,
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 1: the winner will be allowed. I guess Dalton Smith would
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 1: be next after the not next, but they do have
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 1: the winner has a voluntary defense, it's allowed. Then they
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 1: must fight Smith next. So maybe they'll do one more
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 1: and then that. I don't know, we'll see, we'll see. Yeah,
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 1: Glaze now, all of a sudden, Glazier is like f
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: top rank bro the boxing events Top Rank delivered on ESPN.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: The last five years of the deal was like eating
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 1: a sandwich for lunch everybody or every day, but deciding
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 1: between mustard and mayonnaise. And it's just so funny because
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 1: he wasn't saying that shit when he was, you know,
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 1: when he was helping him or whatever he's doing. Oh,
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: John Gallagher too or Joe Gallagher. What am I saying?
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 1: Sounds like he.
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 2: Stage four cancer. He's just diagnosed, so hopefully he can.
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 1: You know, get through that.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 1: That's tough. This is coming from brunch Boxing as well.
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 1: Luvin and Holmes Final limited or set for May tenth
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 1: in Florida, and it sounds like it'll be on pro Box.
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 1: So I like that fight. That's a good fight, and
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 1: it kind of sets up what next. Also, brunch Boxing
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 1: says that Wilder and Harper Bolt was canceled. The proposed
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 1: bout between them two was canceled after financial dispute with
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: the BLK Prime platform, it says. He says, here, while
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 1: there's still plans to return in the first half of
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, we'll see what happens there. I thought
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 1: that was a good opponent for him. But here's Davonte
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 1: in a recent interview, he said they were saying that
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 1: Loma was scared. I don't think that was the case.
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 1: He reached the point where whereas though it's hard for
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 1: him to get up for a fight, and he talked about,
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: you know, spending time with the family, talking about injuries
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 1: and all that. So yeah, it does see, it does
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 1: sound like that Martaya Abdullah will be May tenth in
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: San Diego. So that's a good fight. You know, we'll
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 1: see how that how that goes. And Mungia he got
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 1: knocked off. Bruno knocked him off May third. On that
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: Canelo card from rehat so he's doing it again. I
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 1: gotta give him credit. I do have to give him credit.
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 1: Here's more Floyd, just straight up kid, Austin Floyd. Everyone
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 1: knows you don't have power. So let's see if the
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 1: snack helped with Hidden Royd.
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 2: Now you're at snack athlete for.
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 1: For little us. Oh, now, now you're a snack athlete
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 1: for little less. I thought I thought we were baby food.
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 1: Snack can help your chin. You can cheat all you
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 1: want without being tracked. That won't help your ribs or job.
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I just think that camp has been way too high
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 2: on itself.
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, man, I really I don't know, man,
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 1: I really don't know. I don't know what to say.
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: I really don't know what to say. I think that
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 1: about wraps it up. Let's see if there's any other
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 1: fight news that I forgot to go by. Man, we
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 1: got a great guard, that's all I'm gonna say. We
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 1: got a phenomenal card as long as it halfway delivers.
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you beat this card, you know,
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 1: this year or for the next while. Anyway, I'm gonna
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 1: get out of here enjoy the fights. We'll be back
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 1: next Tuesday. Bas