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Return of the Living Dead, Punk Rock & BRAAAINS! - Xenomania 95 · Xenomania

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  Ryan: a R-rated film.
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  ladies and gentlemen, we're talking
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  Jon: Hold on.
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  Intros, buddy.
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  Intros, buddy.
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  Intros.
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  Slow your roll there, champ.
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  This week on Xenomania, two hapless employees of the You Need A Medical
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  Supply warehouse inadvertently open a tank containing 2-4-5 trioxin gas.
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  Immediately, some of the inventory in the warehouse comes to life,
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  so a call to the owner is made.
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  Unfortunately, the boss's solution only makes matters worse.
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  Meanwhile, a group of young people are partying the night away in
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  a cemetery when a toxic rain begins to fall and the dead rise.
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  You think this is an effing costume?
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  This is a way of life.
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  This is Return of the Living Dead.
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  This is Xenomania
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  Ryan: Favorite movie, John.
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  I'm just gonna shout it out
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  Jon: This is number two.
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  This is
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  Kearns: all
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  Jon: number two.
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  Ryan: one?
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  Jon: Dawn
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  Kearns: Yeah, that one
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  Jon: Dawn.
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  Dawn of the Dead, then Return.
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  And then
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  Ryan: that's fair
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  Jon: I won't spoil later on, but this is gonna score very highly
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  Kearns: Yeah, I'm sure.
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  Return of the Living Dead is, might be the most '80s movie that's ever movied.
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  I think it, it knocks off Crocodile Dundee at this
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  Jon: Ooh
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Yeah
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  Ryan: I don't know.
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  Uh,
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  Kearns: That
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  Ryan: this is like prime.
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  This came out in August, so this is like right after like we got
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  a lot of big movements going on.
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  We got the wrestling/rocking connection, we got big movies,
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  and then Return of the Living Dead
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  Jon: All movements
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  Ryan: But yeah, I mean, you get everything just together, and Return of
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  the Living Dead sh- does it well with like punk, you know, the heavy metal,
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  the hair metal, like the zombie lore.
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  You know, even adapting their own version, it's just, it works.
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  And it brings not only like audiences who love like George Romero's zombie
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  films, but it brings in a new audience.
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  it was like it, for that time, I feel like it was cool, it was hip, it was colorful.
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  Like, brought something new to the table
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  Kearns: Yeah, definitely.
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  Jon: And it, it brought trash dancing naked in a cemetery
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  Kearns: Yeah, I was gonna say it's edgy.
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  It's certainly edgy.
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  But they go for that, like, grungy '80s, '80s, um, punk vibe and
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  it… real hard, and it works.
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  It
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah, I mean that authentic '80s right there with the, at least
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  with the punk part of it, you know?
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  The over, over the top.
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  I mean, like, some of s- um, Self Harm's costume is a little over the top.
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  I don't know that we… We can't really say that character's name, can we?
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  Kearns: I don't know.
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  I don't think so,
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  Jon: I think we're just gonna have to call him Self Harm all night.
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Jon: Which is kind of funny.
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  Kearns: the chain to the fish hook into the mouth
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  Jon: Mm-hmm
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  Kearns: pretty ridiculous.
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  the costuming in this movie is out of control.
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  And
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: girl who's, like, just looks like a normal '80s girl from, you
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  know, any sort of TV show, just with that group, which is pretty funny too.
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  Jon: Tina.
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  Kearns: her name.
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  Enyo?
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  Ryan: Oh,
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  Kearns: No, it's Enyo
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  Ryan: But you had, like, familiar faces, right?
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  You had Miguel A. Nunez Jr.,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: a lot of, like, TV shows and he was in quite a few slashers at that time.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: who was the other guy?
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  Uh, Don Calfa, who we saw in Poltergeist.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: think Poltergeist came after, but… No,
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  Jon: Poltergeist was before, yeah.
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  Ja-
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  Ryan: we saw hi-
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  Jon: you got James Karen who was in a bunch of stuff, Clu
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  Gulliger, who was just, is sort of just becoming a Hollywood star.
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  He'd been, done a lot of TV and a lot of Westerns.
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  But we'll get to that shortly.
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  Guys, one of my favorite parts about Return of Living Dead is the soundtrack
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  Kearns: It's good
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  Ryan: Are you gonna ask us our favorite movie soundtracks?
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  Jon: Of course I'm going to, but for, one, one thing I wanna point
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  out, one of the songs on the Return of the Living Dead soundtrack that
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  everybody thinks is a fun song is the most, the most brutal story ever.
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  And it, the par- the Party Time song, I'm not gonna go into it
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  because it's a super, super downer.
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  Go Google Party Time, and that's, that song is not a party time
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  Kearns: Oh, wow
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  Ryan: a fun song when you're, like, a minute 45 on, 'cause you get to the rift,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: does, like, has, like, the party time lyrics.
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  But the whole song is very depressing,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And it
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  Ryan: story.
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  It's
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  Jon: Yeah, yeah.
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  Ryan: which is
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  Jon: Yeah, that the, the woman that wrote it, like, saw the story on, like,
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  a, a true crime thing or something or read an article about it and
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  then turned it into a song, so yeah.
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  And you also get, a Roky Erickson song on this one too as, um, Frank is putting
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  himself into the, into the crematorium.
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  That's Roky Erickson there, and Roky Erickson is so cool.
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  He's like, um, he's like psychedelic rock but with a guy who really has
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  schizophrenia writing and singing.
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  So it's, like, super psychedelic
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  Ryan: Burn the flames.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: Okay
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  So anyway, roundabout way of getting to what's your, what's your
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  favorite movie soundtracks, guys?
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  Ryan: Batman Forever.
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  Fir- first off,
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  Kearns: He says this unironically, which is my favorite part about it.
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  Jon: Is that the
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  Kearns: gonna go with ridiculous ones, but he, he said Batman Forever
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  Ryan: hold up, there's two of them.
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  Batman Forever is definitely one.
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  I, I was a kid, I saw it in the theaters, just hearing, like, Seal's
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  Kearns: Yeah, I was gonna say seal.
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  Oh, fuck
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  Ryan: U2 Thrill Me, Kiss Me.
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  Like,
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  Kearns: This is getting clipped out for social media.
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  This is definitely getting spread around the world
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  Ryan: I, I'm, I'm not ashamed.
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  Batman Forever, and then soundtrack of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.
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  Not only the main title theme,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: En- Ennio
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: job conducting.
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  And the thing is, is the opening theme hooks you, what gets you
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  is, like, right close to the end and you have the Ecstasy of Gold,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: leads into, like, the Mexican standoff.
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  music is just, ah, superb.
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  I messed up his name, didn't I?
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  Jon: No, you're, you're ballpark.
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  Kearns: It
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  Jon: You're ballpark.
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  I, I, I, um, I wanna give you, I wanna give you a little
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  Ecstasy of Gold story, though.
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  So,
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  Ryan: Ooh, okay
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  Jon: aside from being Metallica's intro music for 30-plus years
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  now, this was the song I walked down the aisle to 13 years ago
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  Yep.
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  Ryan: song.
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Ryan: great
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  Jon: We had a, we had a, an, a live guitarist play this and, um, I can't
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  remember the name of Alison's song.
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  It was a Sade song, but I can't remember what it's called right now.
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  It's not Ordinary Love.
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  Ryan: Okay.
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  Jon: It's not that one.
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  It's something, it's another one that's escaping me right now.
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  S-
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  Ryan: But
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  Jon: so a wes-
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  Ryan: goal
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  Jon: a western and Seal, Ryan.
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  Kearns: Yeah
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  Jon: we're going?
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  Okay
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  Ryan: actually a spaghetti Western.
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  Kearns: I'm gonna s-
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  Ryan: Western and seal
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  Kearns: that's the, the pretty much the only types that Clint Eastwood
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  made, the spaghetti Westerns.
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  Um, so we've got, we're going ridiculous.
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  So we're gonna start off with Rocky IV.
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  Listen to that soundtrack and try not to run
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm
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  Kearns: Is it?
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  It needs to be.
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  Jon: And, and they, and you lived in America and…
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  Kearns: in a…
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  Yeah, James Brown's on that bad boy.
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  So that one's actually, one's actually, it really doesn't fit in
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  the ridiculous one, 'cause that's actually a damn good soundtrack.
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  But,
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  Ryan: a really good soundtrack
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  Kearns: uh, Mortal Kombat, the original movie soundtrack, just also ridiculous.
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  And like a lot of people had it.
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  They won't admit to it now, but there were a lot of Discmans with that
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  soundtrack in it with kids just like with thousand yard stares, just like so yeah.
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  That was going on.
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  And, um, we're gonna go with the worst of them.
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  The worst one I could think of that I had, I got it for free at a Hot Topic, well,
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  from… Like, I bought like three posters and I got a CD, and all they had left was
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  the movie soundtrack for Jet Li's The One.
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  Ryan: Uh,
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  Kearns: it was so good.
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  It was so bad, it was so good.
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  But I mean, it had like three Disturbed songs on it, for starters.
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  Just like go with that.
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  Like, uh, I think Smashing Plates was like the final song in the movie.
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  It's, oh my God, it was so terrible.
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  I can't think of like any oth- like a good movie sou- like, I don't
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  know, Jurassic Park or whatever,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: work of art.
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  No, we're going with The One, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Jon: I g- I have a bunch.
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  like, some of the, standard ones that I think I've talked about how
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  much I love the Shocker soundtrack.
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  Um, the Spawn soundtrack was pretty cool
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  Kearns: That one is… Oh man, that one is good.
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  Dang it
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  Jon: I always liked the Demon Knight soundtrack.
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  the Demon Knight soundtrack is really where I discovered Pantera,
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  'cause Cemetery, a, a shortened version of Cemetery Gates is on
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  there, and from there it was like, "Oh, I'm, I like Pantera now."
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  Kearns: That's the only reason I ever wanted to learn the guitar was to
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: to Cemetery Gates.
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Kearns: uh, Primal Concrete Sledge is an
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yep.
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  Yep
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  Kearns: way, way too good.
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  People
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And I'll, I'll give you, I'll give you three slightly more obscure ones.
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  I actually watched this one for the first time the other day as part
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  of my so far 30 movies of October.
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  a movie called Death to Metal.
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  it's all like really like underground metal bands, but it really, it like
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  especially works for a movie where, you know, a, a fallen murderous priest
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  is running around killing metalheads.
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  So
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  Ryan: All
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  Jon: it re- it really works.
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  and then there's the soundtrack to a movie called Devil's Candy.
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  I've talked about the movie on here a little bit before, and I think I
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  gotta pop that onto our calendar.
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  I think it was briefly on our calendar this year and I had to
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  bump it, but that soundtrack is like main- a lot of mainstream metal.
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  It's one of the few soundtracks I've heard Metallica on.
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  and then another one that has to wind up on here pretty soon is Deathgasm.
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  That soundtrack is, that is, that has a whole bunch of like
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  Kearns: Okay
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  Jon: and like, like Emperor and Midnight and Nunslaughter are on that soundtrack.
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  It, it's a pretty good s- it's pretty good.
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  And the, the movie itself is pretty amazing too.
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  Kearns: Nice
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  Ryan: I'll throw out another soundtrack.
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  Uh, it's not an obscure movie, but I feel like the soundtrack doesn't
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  get a lot of love is the thing.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: from the first beat of the orchestra, it's another Ennio
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  Mor- um, uh, s- uh, soundtrack.
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  the first beat to the end, you're on your, the edge of your seat.
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  Along with the acting, the music really supplies a lot of that suspense
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  Kearns: Cool.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Coming up in the next couple weeks on this podcast
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  Ryan: Yes, it is.
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  Oh, yes it is.
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  Kearns: All right.
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  Let's get into the movie a little bit here,
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  Jon: Let's get into Return of the Living Dead
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  Kearns: So what's, what's going on with the controversy?
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  Jon: Oh, boy.
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  So the reason Return of Living Dead was on the calendar for now is it
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  would coincide with the release of a new Return of Living Dead.
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  Obviously, you haven't seen a trailer for a new Return of the Living Dead.
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  I haven't gone wild about a new Return of the Living Dead
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  because it is once again delayed.
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  probably permanently, so yeah, it's, it-- this, it's a problem.
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  so the history goes sorta like this.
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  A new sequel was announced and originally scheduled to be re-released
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  Christmastime of 2025, with Steve Walsh set to write and direct.
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  you don't know Steve Walsh because he hasn't made a lot.
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  I think I've seen one of his previous movies called Kill
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  Her Goats, and it was okay.
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  You know, he-- it was okay, but it wasn't enough for me to be super excited about
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  him getting his hands on this franchise.
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  and Devon Sawa was gonna be in it.
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  You got a teaser trailer which I think I shared to every--
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  with everybody I've ever met.
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  You know, with Tarman dragging a Christmas tree through the snow.
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  Super excited.
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  And then just out of nowhere, it was announced that it was
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  delayed to November of 2026.
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  I think this, this was even on my beginning of the year, I'm
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  most excited for these movies.
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  And now it's pushed to 2027 sort of officially, but I don't think
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  it's gonna happen, and here's why.
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  So Walsh set up a production company called Living Dead Media under the
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  belief that he somehow controlled the copyright to the original script.
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  in addition to a new movie, he sold merchandising rights featuring the
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  or- the likenesses of the original cast members, and that's where he s-
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  that's where his problems started.
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  He started licensing material with likenesses of other people on it who were
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  not happy about it, and who-- other people who were not happy about it and who did
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  not believe that he owned the rights.
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  So a group consisting of Beverly Randolph, who was Tina in Return of the Living Dead,
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  and Linnea Quigley counter-sued Walsh.
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  Ryan: Okay
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  Jon: he sued them to get them to, to stop the grievances and stuff.
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  They s- counter-sued.
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  the Quigley-Rand-Randolph group, called, called themselves the Return of the Living
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  Dead Originals and claimed he didn't own the rights and was wrongly using their
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  images without consent or compensation.
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  So he had taken these images without their permission and was using them and getting
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  paid, and they were getting nothing.
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  so over the course of a couple years, this was going through courts, and in
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  July of this year, 2026, the judge came down on the side of the Return of the
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  Living Dead Originals, finding that Walsh did not own the rights to the movie, and
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  additionally ruled that the merchandising trademarks that he had gotten did not give
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  him ownership over the actors' rights.
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  Kearns: Wow
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  Jon: he sold all this stuff to, to companies.
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  I had seen some of the names I don't remember now.
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  It might've been Target.
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  It might've… I think it was a lot of, like, the independent.
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  I saw a post, I don't know who this guy represents, but that one company
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  was out $50,000 from this So like it's gonna be pretty bad for those people.
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  They reached a settlement, but it sounds like that settlement is… It
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  means that he can go ahead and make a movie, but it can't be a Return
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  of the Living Dead movie directly.
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  Linnea Quigley had tried to make a sequel of her own called Trash's
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  Revenge, which has an IMDb page.
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  I can't find anything indicating that it was ever actually made.
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  I know she was fundraising for that for a while.
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  Um, but in any event, the sequel is at best on life support, but I
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  would be very surprised if we ever see anything more than the trailer
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  I mean
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  Kearns: Yeah, I mean, John, do you know why I'm laughing?
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  We gotta keep going.
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  We gotta keep rolling here.
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  Uh, you very clearly farted and then and then unmuted and went, "That stinks."
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  I just, I couldn't handle it, man.
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  I couldn't handle it.
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  It was so funny.
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  Oh my God.
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  It was the lean
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  with the mute on.
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  I was like, "Oh, man.
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  Jon: We are not gonna cut this
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  Kearns: This is, this is Patreon stuff right here?
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  Oh my God,
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  Jon: I mean, I mean, ju- just based on the color of his face, we can't cut this.
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  How- we're gonna have to explain the next 10 minutes of him being that red faced
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  Kearns: You know?
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  I just, you just, I mean, I mean, it
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  You know, it's natural.
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  biological occurrence.
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  I think he did it again.
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  Jon: Fry…
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  Kearns: Ryan.
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  Breathe, Ryan.
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  Jon: do I need a soundboard.
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  Kearns: Can't have you stroking out on here
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  Oh my God, dude
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  You okay?
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  Jon: Oh, goodness.
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  Kearns: Got an upset tummy?
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  Too much Dr. Pepper?
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  Ryan: The chair.
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  Kearns: the Mountain
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: The beavers
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  Ryan: was the
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  Jon: It was, it was the chair
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  Ryan: It was the chair
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Take down some more of that yum yum juice.
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  Ryan: Hey, Dr Pepper's the best.
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  Kearns: Dr. Pepper.
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  Dr. Pepper is the best.
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  Um, baby.
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  All right.
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  Uh, J- John, we, we completely derailed you
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  Ryan: it
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  Jon: it's okay.
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  We, w- we got to the end, we got to the end of the story.
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  Kearns: I
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  Jon: Now you guys can, can hit some reactions on this if you want.
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  I know Ryan thinks it stinks, but I'm not sure if he thinks
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  it, that stinks or his ass stinks
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  Kearns: We had some reactions on this.
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  Honestly, um, he's an idiot.
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  That's, that's the dumbest possible
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: bit more understanding if he wasn't clearly just,
• 19:16
  you know, robbing other people
• 19:18
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:19
  Kearns: while
• 19:19
  Jon: And, and that, that's the problem.
• 19:21
  He probably gets away with this whole thing if he doesn't get greedy,
• 19:25
  Kearns: Yeah
• 19:25
  Jon: if he doesn't start pumping out original "Return of the Living Dead"
• 19:29
  merchandise with other people's names on it and not paying them for it, like
• 19:34
  Kearns: And there's also the fact that, The original delay was because he refused
• 19:39
  to do anything other than practical effects, which I understand is like,
• 19:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:43
  Kearns: you gotta do what you gotta do for your vision and everything.
• 19:45
  But I bet you if he didn't push the, the, or delay it so much, it would've
• 19:50
  come out before the court order
• 19:53
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:54
  Yeah.
• 19:55
  Ryan: I, can see him releasing it under a different name.
• 19:59
  Jon: I mean, it
• 20:00
  Ryan: him doing that little
• 20:03
  Jon: At this point, that's what he has to do.
• 20:05
  I mean, I don't know
• 20:06
  Kearns: dead
• 20:07
  Jon: nobody outside of the, the principals know what the settlement is.
• 20:10
  It was never disclosed.
• 20:12
  you know, I'm sure he knows what he can and can't d- I, I mean, maybe
• 20:16
  he knows what he can and can't do because he didn't seem to before,
• 20:19
  but maybe he has a better idea now.
• 20:23
  You know, no, it, it j- it seems like he's the kinda guy who is just
• 20:27
  saying, "Yeah, I have this, I have this," and just trying to speak it
• 20:30
  into existence, and you can't do that
• 20:32
  Kearns: Right
• 20:35
  Ryan: True.
• 20:36
  He was, you know, he was trying to work the system and he got caught basically.
• 20:42
  Jon: Yep.
• 20:42
  Ryan: how I see it.
• 20:43
  Jon: Yeah
• 20:45
  Ryan: and whose right mind would want to like have their face sold and not
• 20:50
  get, you know, some revenue from it?
• 20:54
  Jon: Yeah.
• 20:55
  I, I mean, e- especially with this property
• 21:00
  Ryan: Oh yeah.
• 21:01
  Jon: A, a,
• 21:02
  Ryan: he was making a killing, right?
• 21:04
  Jon: with, with the, with this property and with, you know, d- you know,
• 21:09
  all, these are-- We're not talking about, like, Tom Cruise and Matt Damon
• 21:14
  level actors and actresses, you know?
• 21:16
  These are people who, you know, are, have never had that huge paycheck movie,
• 21:21
  so that money's important to them.
• 21:22
  The licensing of those characters for most of them is probably the
• 21:27
  biggest m- the biggest check they get
• 21:30
  Kearns: Yeah
• 21:32
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 21:34
  Very true
• 21:37
  Jon: Yeah
• 21:37
  Ryan: there is, there is someone though who doesn't deserve a check
• 21:42
  Jon: Yeah, there's someone worse involved in… Yeah, we, we ha- we
• 21:46
  have to bring him up really quickly.
• 21:48
  Um, the character of Scuzz is played by gross-ass Brian Peck.
• 21:53
  Um, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not gonna go into all the stuff he did.
• 21:58
  He, it's all very, very available online.
• 22:04
  Um, he's featured, his stuff is featured in the Quiet on the Set,
• 22:09
  Ryan: Yep
• 22:11
  Jon: out a year or two ago about Dan Schneider and, and the making
• 22:14
  of those Nickelodeon kids TV shows.
• 22:18
  he's a gross dude
• 22:20
  Ryan: It's a peckerhead.
• 22:21
  Jon: And Peck,
• 22:23
  Kearns: a minute.
• 22:24
  That's
• 22:24
  Jon: Pe-,
• 22:25
  Kearns: one.
• 22:25
  He wrote that into the show
• 22:27
  Jon: yeah.
• 22:27
  Yeah, yeah, that, that is a good one.
• 22:29
  That is a good one.
• 22:31
  Oh, yeah, I mean, he's, he's, he's not a good dude, and he's for, I mean, for
• 22:36
  me, the only blemish on this movie, and like how could you know, go, you know.
• 22:41
  You c- you couldn't have known making this movie that you were casting that
• 22:48
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 22:49
  It's, it kinda, you know, it connects to when we covered The Burning and
• 22:54
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:54
  Ryan: Weinstein has a
• 22:56
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:56
  Ryan: in that film.
• 22:57
  It's like, dislike that film?
• 23:01
  You enjoy the film for what it
• 23:03
  Kearns: Harvey who?
• 23:04
  Ryan: the person who created Uh, Weinstein.
• 23:06
  Kearns: okay.
• 23:07
  Got it.
• 23:07
  Ryan: or Weinstein?
• 23:09
  Kearns: You got it the first time you said Weinstein.
• 23:12
  It's the first time in my life I'd ever heard his name pronounced that way.
• 23:17
  Ryan: He, he doesn't deserve the right pronunciation.
• 23:21
  Jon: That's fair.
• 23:21
  Ryan: Uh,
• 23:21
  Kearns: He's a bad
• 23:22
  Jon: That's fair.
• 23:23
  Ryan: saying.
• 23:23
  Kearns: He's a bad man.
• 23:25
  Jon: Hervey Weinstein.
• 23:27
  Ryan: Weinstein.
• 23:29
  Kearns: um, is not
• 23:30
  Jon: Peck
• 23:31
  Kearns: If you don't know his, if you don't know his, um, story, he
• 23:35
  is not unlike Harvey Weinstein.
• 23:37
  The only
• 23:38
  Jon: No.
• 23:38
  Kearns: he's not nearly as much power.
• 23:41
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 23:42
  Kearns: So
• 23:42
  Jon: And generally not the same age range
• 23:47
  Kearns: Yes Good point
• 23:51
  Ryan: yeah.
• 23:53
  But again, it's a film that you can still enjoy because you can really ignore him.
• 23:59
  His part is very small.
• 24:01
  It's just really, like, with the punk rockers, and a lot of the
• 24:05
  other punk characters overtake him.
• 24:08
  Like, I really didn't notice him that much.
• 24:12
  He wasn't the one with the chain in the lip,
• 24:14
  Jon: No, no, that's self-harm.
• 24:16
  Kearns: the guy,
• 24:16
  Ryan: Okay.
• 24:17
  He's, like, my favorite character,
• 24:19
  Jon: S- self-harm is awesome.
• 24:21
  I love that, dude.
• 24:23
  Kearns: Brian
• 24:23
  Jon: I love it.
• 24:24
  He-
• 24:24
  Kearns: there
• 24:26
  Jon: Brian Peck is Scuzz.
• 24:27
  Kearns: Yeah, there's
• 24:28
  Jon: Tom Matthew, Tom Matthews is Freddy.
• 24:31
  Kearns: Oh,
• 24:31
  Jon: Freddy's the guy that works there, yeah.
• 24:33
  Yeah, that's Tom Matthews.
• 24:34
  Ryan: is, is
• 24:35
  Jon: is the one with the mohawk.
• 24:37
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 24:37
  Jon: No
• 24:39
  Kearns: No
• 24:40
  Ryan: oh.
• 24:41
  Jon: The one with the tie is fine.
• 24:43
  Ryan: he looks like a scuzz.
• 24:45
  Jon: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
• 24:47
  Kearns: All
• 24:47
  Jon: No, but Self Harm is my favorite, probably my favorite
• 24:51
  character in this movie.
• 24:52
  Just for that one, d- mainly for that one line, you know?
• 24:56
  "You think this is a costume? This is a way of life." You know?
• 24:59
  Like, the way… That line, like that, like, from, from then on,
• 25:05
  Self Harm can do no wrong for me.
• 25:08
  So one of the interesting things about this, uh, for me is the zombie
• 25:13
  lore that goes into this and how by every, every standard, these are
• 25:18
  not the kinds of zombies that I like
• 25:21
  Kearns: No, me neither
• 25:24
  Jon: Um, you know,
• 25:25
  Ryan: I,
• 25:26
  Jon: they're fat, they're fast.
• 25:28
  Kearns: Don
• 25:29
  Jon: That's usually a, that's usually a big no for me.
• 25:32
  Um, they're largely unkillable, which is also generally a big no for me.
• 25:40
  I, I, you know, I…
• 25:41
  Ryan: agree
• 25:41
  Jon: Easy, they don't have to be easy, but there has to be, you know, the
• 25:45
  glimmer of hope that you can survive this.
• 25:48
  Um, but I think the thing that really threw me the most at first,
• 25:53
  that took me a little bit to get into this, uh, like really loving
• 25:56
  this movie, is that they talk
• 25:59
  Kearns: Yeah, that's pretty funny, the brains
• 26:02
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:04
  Ryan: Do
• 26:04
  Jon: They
• 26:04
  Ryan: think it's because, like, night, dawn, and day works up on the
• 26:11
  intelligence level of the zombies?
• 26:13
  They felt like return might have been, like, a one-hit wonder, and they
• 26:17
  just fit it in in one whole thing?
• 26:20
  'Cause their intelligence levels increases pretty quickly
• 26:24
  Kearns: They play on that in further movies down the line where you
• 26:26
  get your zombies that are forming packs and f- getting intelligence.
• 26:31
  Uh, I think
• 26:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:32
  Kearns: Dead.
• 26:32
  It happens in I Am Legend.
• 26:34
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 26:35
  Kearns: th-
• 26:35
  Jon: I mean
• 26:36
  Kearns: there, but I don't know if that's what they're doing here, and not
• 26:39
  Jon: It, it ha- it happened in the Ro- Romero, uh, zombie movies, you know,
• 26:44
  from Night where they're just, you know, lifeless bodies always moving forward
• 26:51
  to by the end of Land, you have the mechanic zombie leading and they're
• 26:56
  using tools and, and that was something, you know, that Romero would want-
• 27:01
  was continuing to explore in fiction.
• 27:04
  the book that Daniel Kraus finished for him, like, is a full zombie
• 27:10
  evolution into being, like, almost a functional society of its own
• 27:16
  Kearns: Well, they kind of do that in the 28 Days Later movies too,
• 27:19
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 27:20
  Kearns: they're birthing children and such
• 27:22
  Jon: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:24
  Kearns: Which is kind of
• 27:24
  Jon: Well, and,
• 27:25
  Kearns: That's a
• 27:25
  Jon: and, and
• 27:26
  Kearns: but yeah
• 27:27
  Jon: yeah, yeah.
• 27:28
  I, I mean, even the creation of the zombies in this is explained.
• 27:32
  You know, you get an explanation which you never really got from Romero.
• 27:36
  You got sorta like, you know, hints at stuff and like, "Oh, well, we passed
• 27:42
  through the tail end of this comet, and maybe that caused this," you know, sort
• 27:46
  of vagary, while this is clearly this 2-4-5 trioxin caused a zombie outbreak
• 27:54
  That was the original Night of Living Dead.
• 27:58
  And then you need a chemical, you need a warehouse winds up with the barrels
• 28:07
  Kearns: That's
• 28:07
  Jon: With,
• 28:07
  Kearns: didn't realize that that
• 28:08
  Jon: yeah
• 28:09
  Kearns: caused the original Night of the Living Dead
• 28:11
  Jon: Romero never wrote it into a movie, but just so much.
• 28:14
  But that was… It comes up in one of the little news clips in Night that,
• 28:19
  you know, speculation is that it, or, or it, sorry, it wasn't the planet, it
• 28:23
  was, um, a space and a, a, a spacecraft like, uh, astronauts had passed
• 28:29
  through the tail end and then brought this back with them kind of thing.
• 28:34
  But it never got s- really deeply explored
• 28:39
  Kearns: Interesting.
• 28:41
  So this is the spiritual sequel to Night of the Living Dead then?
• 28:46
  That's, that's a rubber stamp thing?
• 28:49
  'Cause it's, uh, spiritu- if it's spiritually the sequel, I mean, it doesn't
• 28:52
  feel like the sequel in any other way.
• 28:56
  Ryan: I mean, spiritual could be how, like who the director is, the, how the
• 29:03
  actors act, if they're kinda like, even if they're playing a new character or
• 29:06
  they're similar to past characters.
• 29:09
  Is the story similar?
• 29:10
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 29:11
  Ryan: maybe there's like little minor connections.
• 29:14
  You know, it's not really like the biggest thing.
• 29:17
  Jon: Well
• 29:18
  Ryan: just like those little, those little nooks
• 29:20
  Jon: I mean, for the first 20 minutes, it kind of is.
• 29:24
  It's kind of a big thing because when Frank brings Freddy down into the
• 29:28
  basement, it's to see this barrel that was from… And, and, you know, and he
• 29:33
  s- he says, "You remember that movie Night of Living Dead?" And he goes
• 29:38
  into this whole thing about how, yeah, it was a true story, but it wasn't
• 29:42
  how the movie played it out, and that it was a chemical leak from wherever,
• 29:49
  and, you know, it made people…
• 29:51
  I for- forget Frank's exact phrasing, but, like, got- made them act
• 29:56
  all crazy and stuff, and this is, these are real barrels from there.
• 30:00
  And then even when they're trying to take out the, corpse that they had,
• 30:05
  the body that they had upstairs, and, Burt hits it in the head
• 30:09
  with the ax, and it keeps coming.
• 30:12
  And, Freddy says, "You mean the movie lied?"
• 30:18
  Kearns: Even better.
• 30:20
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 30:20
  Kearns: better
• 30:22
  Jon: So yeah, I mean, it-- And it, um, so thi- is very, very loosely based
• 30:28
  on a book written by Joe Russo, who was Romero's writing partner during,
• 30:34
  and pr- partner-partner through, you know, the early Romero days,
• 30:39
  including "Night of the Living Dead." There's not really anything except a
• 30:43
  title that's in common, but Russo, I believe, has story credits for this
• 30:50
  Ryan: I mean, you can technically watch Night of the Living Dead and watch this
• 30:54
  as like an alternate universe sequel,
• 30:57
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:58
  Ryan: with its own franchise
• 31:00
  Kearns: Okay.
• 31:00
  Ryan: to it
• 31:01
  Kearns: It's,
• 31:02
  Jon: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't go too far into the Return of the Living Dead
• 31:06
  franchise beyond one and maybe two
• 31:10
  Ryan: I was gonna say up to two,
• 31:12
  Jon: Three's, three's okay, but three's not… Three is not even a Return of
• 31:17
  the Living Dead movie at that point
• 31:19
  Kearns: Let's go through the cast here.
• 31:21
  Any, any notable people?
• 31:23
  We kinda touched on this already, but who are the, who are most
• 31:25
  notable actors in this film?
• 31:27
  Ryan: Miguel A. Nunez Jr., he was in a Friday the 13th, I think.
• 31:32
  Was it part six?
• 31:33
  Part five?
• 31:34
  Jon: it was six
• 31:36
  Kearns: I am in Nudo.
• 31:36
  Ryan: six?
• 31:38
  Yep, part
• 31:38
  Kearns: Now
• 31:40
  Jon: Spider.
• 31:41
  Kearns: Yeah, spider was in the nudoh
• 31:44
  Jon: I mean, you get, you ha- y- you start with the three old guys.
• 31:47
  You know, James Karen was on Broadway starting in 1947, and then he's Frank in
• 31:53
  "Return of the Living Dead." he was Mr. Teague in "Poltergeist" who we just saw.
• 31:59
  you know, a lot of roles like that, and then a lot of roles
• 32:02
  like that going forward.
• 32:03
  Don Calfa, who played Ernie, "Dr.
• 32:07
  Dolittle," "Foul Play," "10," "1941." You know, like, the very recognizable dude.
• 32:15
  And then there's, Clu Gulager, who was… Got his big break in TV Westerns.
• 32:22
  He starred in "The Virginian" and then, you know, a lot
• 32:25
  of, lot of cowboys and cops.
• 32:28
  And then, you know, later in life, he becomes, like, he, a horror guy.
• 32:33
  He's in all three "Feast" movies, uh, "A Nightmare on Elm Street 2."
• 32:38
  Kearns: I do like me the Feast movies.
• 32:41
  Jon: yeah.
• 32:41
  Kearns: I like the Feast movies
• 32:43
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 32:44
  Um, "The Hidden." Tom Matthews, who was in a bunch of "Friday
• 32:47
  the 13th" related things.
• 32:49
  Ryan: Jarvis
• 32:50
  Jon: Yep, he's Tommy Jarvis.
• 32:52
  And they, and then he came back in all the fan films, the
• 32:55
  "Never Hike Alone" fan films.
• 32:56
  He's Tommy Jarvis in all those too
• 33:00
  Ryan: It's, it's his look and how he portrayed
• 33:02
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:03
  Ryan: It was the closest I feel what Corey Feldman was going with
• 33:06
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:08
  Ryan: in the original
• 33:09
  Jon: I think the funniest thing with Tom Matthews and James Karen is
• 33:13
  Return of Living Dead Part II, where they come back in basically the same
• 33:19
  roles but not the same characters
• 33:26
  They're just, you know, they're, they're bumbling grave robbers
• 33:30
  Ryan: So it's Evil Dead II basically.
• 33:33
  a requel
• 33:34
  Jon: Yeah, kind of.
• 33:35
  Kind of, yeah.
• 33:37
  you know, Linnea Quigley's probably at this point the biggest name involved
• 33:41
  in this, and that's just from all the B movies that she's made over the years.
• 33:45
  her IMDb is endless, you know.
• 33:49
  And we've talked about her once already on this, and we'll talk
• 33:52
  about her again 'cause she was in Silent Night, Deadly Night.
• 33:55
  she was, in a couple of Cheech & Chong movies, which I kinda find funny.
• 33:59
  of the cast, Beverly Randolph, who played Tina, is the one who's
• 34:02
  just sort of vanished afterwards.
• 34:05
  She wasn't in anything after Return of the Living Dead until 2015, and
• 34:09
  then it's just, like, popping up in little small roles here and there.
• 34:13
  And then the funniest, the funniest story re- revolving casting in this is
• 34:18
  Jewel Shepard, who's, Casey, the one with the kinda weird hair, who I adore.
• 34:25
  I love that, that woman.
• 34:27
  so she met and befriended Dan O'Bannon at her job working as a stripper
• 34:36
  Ryan: Okay
• 34:36
  Jon: And when Dan O'Bannon, who wrote and directed Return of the Living Dead, s-
• 34:41
  sat down to start making this, thinking of cast, he went right to Jewel Shepard.
• 34:47
  And that basically like, you know, didn't launch her career.
• 34:50
  She had some other roles, but yeah, she winds up in this because
• 34:54
  she was his favorite stripper
• 34:56
  Kearns: Nice
• 34:57
  Ryan: That's…
• 34:59
  Kearns: You know, you
• 35:00
  Jon: Always re- always remember the little people on the way, man
• 35:03
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 35:04
  Indeed.
• 35:05
  All right.
• 35:07
  That's good cash trivia right there.
• 35:08
  Now, you got a, bullet in here before we get to our game about the 245
• 35:12
  Trioxin being based on a real chemical.
• 35:16
  Jon: Yes, it is.
• 35:17
  Hold on, let me…
• 35:18
  Kearns: true?
• 35:18
  Jon: It, it is,
• 35:20
  Kearns: I know there's
• 35:21
  Jon: it is act-
• 35:22
  Kearns: the voodoo dust that zombifies people, but that
• 35:25
  can't be what this is based on
• 35:27
  Jon: So 2,4,5-Trioxin is sort of based on the real chemical
• 35:34
  2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetate
• 35:41
  acid, which is the key component in Agent Orange
• 35:49
  Ryan: Oh, no.
• 35:49
  Yeah.
• 35:49
  No
• 35:50
  Jon: Oh, yeah.
• 35:52
  Kearns: Well, I guess so it's, it's not a zombifying chemical per se.
• 35:56
  Jon: No.
• 35:57
  Kearns: Yeah, it's just bad.
• 35:58
  Very, very bad government chemical
• 36:02
  Jon: So that was sort of the, the basis for 245 Tracks and
• 36:09
  Kearns: There's a bit
• 36:10
  Jon: Yeah.
• 36:11
  Kearns: about for a second.
• 36:12
  And
• 36:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 36:14
  Kearns: yeah, we did that.
• 36:15
  Ryan: orange
• 36:16
  Kearns: Didn't we turn that into a roundup?
• 36:19
  Jon: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Yeah, we did.
• 36:21
  Kearns: we
• 36:21
  Jon: We did.
• 36:22
  We did, and then a whole bunch of people got sick, and we couldn't figure out why
• 36:25
  Kearns: Yeah, we're still, we're still using it.
• 36:28
  Just
• 36:28
  Jon: Yeah.
• 36:29
  Kearns: Hey, thanks
• 36:29
  Jon: Yeah.
• 36:30
  Kearns: All right.
• 36:32
  John, you got a game for us?
• 36:35
  Jon: Of course there's a game for you guys.
• 36:36
  Um,
• 36:37
  Ryan: Word.
• 36:37
  Ooh
• 36:38
  Jon: we, we're going with a game we haven't done in a while.
• 36:41
  We, we have not had a blind rank in quite some time, gentlemen
• 36:46
  Ryan: Oh, boy.
• 36:47
  Okay.
• 36:48
  Jon: So we are going to blind rank these five zombie horror
• 36:55
  comedies, starting with Zombieland
• 37:00
  Kearns: Fine ranking five horror comedies and Zombieland
• 37:04
  Jon: Yes.
• 37:04
  Kearns: because you're an
• 37:05
  Jon: "Zombieland" is
• 37:07
  Kearns: Okay
• 37:12
  Jon: Maybe.
• 37:12
  Ryan: I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be safe and I'm gonna go with number two
• 37:16
  Kearns: Is that safe?
• 37:17
  Jon: Wow.
• 37:18
  Thief is two, huh?
• 37:20
  Ryan: I, I really enjoyed this film.
• 37:22
  I saw it in the theaters.
• 37:23
  But Zombieland's such a good film
• 37:26
  Kearns: It is a
• 37:27
  Jon: Yeah, I s-
• 37:28
  Kearns: It's a good hang
• 37:29
  Ryan: It, but is a, a number one if he has it
• 37:33
  Kearns: Well, it's gonna be Shaun of the Dead.
• 37:35
  But let's go with number four for Zombieland for me because I think, I think
• 37:41
  I know a couple of them that are coming up and they are better than Zombieland.
• 37:46
  I do
• 37:46
  Jon: All right, well.
• 37:47
  Kearns: cameo almost brought me to number three with
• 37:49
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 37:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:53
  All right, movie number two, Dead Alive
• 37:59
  Ryan: Number three
• 38:00
  Kearns: Yeah, I will also put Dead Alive at number three.
• 38:05
  The goriest fright film of all time.
• 38:08
  Not even close, Dead Alive.
• 38:09
  Not even close
• 38:11
  Jon: Not even close.
• 38:13
  And not even at the time either
• 38:16
  Ryan: that cover's so cool.
• 38:17
  Kearns: Yeah, that one always got
• 38:19
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 38:21
  Yeah.
• 38:23
  Yeah.
• 38:23
  Kearns: I was like, "Whoa, what's
• 38:24
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 38:25
  Yep.
• 38:27
  All right
• 38:28
  Ryan: in there?
• 38:29
  That was my question.
• 38:32
  Jon: You'll have to watch the movie
• 38:36
  All right, number three.
• 38:39
  There's Shaun of the Dead.
• 38:41
  Oh, no, what couldn't be opened?
• 38:43
  Oh, no, it worked okay
• 38:45
  Kearns: Whew.
• 38:46
  Um,
• 38:47
  Ryan: Number one
• 38:50
  Kearns: What could be better than Shaun of the Dead?
• 38:52
  There's a reason he's got it here.
• 38:55
  He's, he's not a tame lion, Ryan.
• 39:00
  He's not a tame lion
• 39:01
  Ryan: I'm happy.
• 39:02
  I'm happy so far.
• 39:04
  Kearns: Are ya?
• 39:05
  I'm tempted to put Shaun at number two.
• 39:08
  I'm tempted to put it at number two, but I'm trying to think of a zombie movie that
• 39:11
  I think is funnier than Shaun of the Dead
• 39:15
  Ryan: Idle hands
• 39:16
  Kearns: No
• 39:18
  Jon: Not really a zombie movie
• 39:20
  Kearns: I'm gonna put it at number one.
• 39:23
  I'm gonna put it at number one.
• 39:24
  Leaves me open for number two and number five, which is dangerous.
• 39:27
  It's a dangerous spread
• 39:30
  Ryan: I got
• 39:30
  Jon: It is.
• 39:32
  This might work out un-- sadly well for both of you.
• 39:35
  Kearns: Unsadly?
• 39:37
  Uh,
• 39:37
  Jon: Sadly, sadly
• 39:39
  Kearns: five and I'm two and five
• 39:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 39:43
  Let's see how you feel about movie number four.
• 39:46
  It's Dead Snow
• 39:48
  Kearns: cool
• 39:50
  Ryan: Number four
• 39:53
  Kearns: Is dead snow number two?
• 39:55
  Is it though?
• 39:57
  Is it
• 39:58
  Ryan: you could put it at number five and you don't have to feel guilty 'cause
• 40:01
  Kearns: I am gonna, I am gonna put it at number five.
• 40:05
  I enjoyed it, but I am gonna put it at number five
• 40:09
  Ryan: John's laughing.
• 40:12
  John's
• 40:12
  Kearns: Look at him clapping Would
• 40:16
  Jon: That means, Kearns, your number two movie is
• 40:21
  Kearns: Oh, sweet.
• 40:22
  Jon: Strippers.
• 40:24
  Ryan: That's my
• 40:25
  Kearns: Yes.
• 40:26
  will take it.
• 40:29
  That works out well, and I'm glad that that didn't beat Shaun of the Dead.
• 40:31
  But, um, Zombieland, Zombieland.
• 40:35
  Zombieland at number four is a bit of a regret at this point
• 40:40
  But still,
• 40:40
  Ryan: two was a safe bet.
• 40:42
  Kearns: I'm quite happy with that one.
• 40:44
  Quite happy.
• 40:45
  Ryan: came back.
• 40:47
  Kearns: was
• 40:47
  Jon: Yeah, Blind Drink is a nice one.
• 40:49
  I like Blind Drink I got a box of four candles this size.
• 40:54
  Like, it's not, it wasn't a small box
• 40:58
  Ryan: Hold on.
• 40:58
  Do you, can we start, can we start this?
• 41:00
  'Cause this is a big… is, this is something that's been going around,
• 41:04
  around too, because Jada ordered some things and didn't get them delivered.
• 41:11
  I mean, we got something delivered just now at 9:50 PM.
• 41:18
  Whatever time zone you're in, it's 9:50 wherever, you know
• 41:27
  Jon: Yeah.
• 41:28
  Ryan: I'm just saying it grinds
• 41:29
  Kearns: Oh, is that too late?
• 41:31
  Ryan: deliver
• 41:31
  Kearns: Is that too late
• 41:33
  Ryan: saying,
• 41:34
  Jon: Who deli- who delivered to you at 9:50?
• 41:37
  Kearns: Was it Amazon?
• 41:39
  Jon: Is it Amazon?
• 41:41
  Ryan: Probably,
• 41:42
  Kearns: Probably a flex driver.
• 41:44
  Jon: I didn't,
• 41:45
  Kearns: allowed to put it in
• 41:46
  Jon: I didn't think Amazon was allowed to put it in mailboxes, yeah.
• 41:49
  Ryan: Nothing, nothing, nothing's in the
• 41:50
  Jon: Mm-mm.
• 41:51
  Nobody, nobody, nobody who's not a postman can put anything in your mailbox.
• 41:57
  Yeah
• 41:58
  Kearns: Federer crown
• 41:59
  Ryan: So you're telling me when I was a kid and I used to deliver my
• 42:02
  Kearns: Yep.
• 42:04
  Ryan: and
• 42:04
  Kearns: Yep.
• 42:05
  Ryan: was…
• 42:05
  Kearns: a crime.
• 42:06
  Jon: Yeah.
• 42:07
  Kearns: sir
• 42:08
  Jon: Uh,
• 42:09
  Ryan: Since
• 42:09
  Jon: on.
• 42:10
  I'm, I'm calling the feds now.
• 42:12
  Ryan: old.
• 42:13
  Jon: I'm
• 42:14
  Kearns: uh, letters of thank, like thank you letters to the neighbors and stuff
• 42:17
  when they've done stuff for the kids.
• 42:19
  I put them in their mailbox fully knowing I'm breaking the law,
• 42:22
  'cause I'm a rebel like that too
• 42:23
  Ryan: I, I thought it was
• 42:25
  Kearns: It's not
• 42:26
  Ryan: That's the, that's the problem.
• 42:27
  I'm, I'm very innocent.
• 42:29
  Kearns: Also hitting those things with a mailbox while driving in a Chevy Corsica,
• 42:34
  much so a crime, if you didn't know that.
• 42:38
  Jon: Yep.
• 42:39
  Ryan: Same
• 42:39
  Jon: Yep
• 42:39
  Ryan: the Buick LeSabre Very much agreed.
• 42:42
  Kearns: The car doesn't
• 42:43
  Jon: That's…
• 42:44
  Ryan: Very much.
• 42:47
  Jon: hitting anything with the Buick LeSabre
• 42:50
  Kearns: "And also in an El Camino."
• 42:55
  Jon: No, see, we never, hit the mailboxes.
• 42:57
  We had to hit those newspaper boxes.
• 42:59
  Kearns: better.
• 43:00
  Jon: not a federal crime
• 43:01
  Kearns: even better.
• 43:02
  It's not a federal crime.
• 43:04
  That's true.
• 43:04
  It's a misdemeanor.
• 43:06
  Jon: I, I used to take those things 'cause nobody ever, really
• 43:10
  cemented them into the ground.
• 43:12
  They just sort of s- stuck them in the ground, so they came out real easy
• 43:16
  Kearns: good times.
• 43:16
  Ryan: Were they always
• 43:17
  Kearns: That's good
• 43:18
  Jon: Yeah.
• 43:19
  Kearns: debauchery
• 43:21
  Jon: I had a collection of reporter dispatch boxes
• 43:24
  Kearns: by the way, is that, is that a ca- a special candle?
• 43:27
  Mayhap ordered
• 43:28
  Jon: No.
• 43:29
  Kearns: charity?
• 43:31
  Jon: No, no, those are downstairs.
• 43:33
  Kearns: downstairs
• 43:33
  Jon: is my… I didn't realize this was, like, a, a Nickelodeon property thing.
• 43:38
  It's an Angry Beavers candle.
• 43:41
  Ryan: I--
• 43:42
  Jon: I really,
• 43:43
  Kearns: is definitely gonna be in the
• 43:44
  Jon: I,
• 43:45
  Ryan: the angry beaverse.
• 43:46
  Jon: I,
• 43:46
  Ryan: I like the
• 43:47
  Jon: I don't know.
• 43:47
  I ju- I just wanted it to smell like an angry beaver
• 43:50
  Kearns: mean,
• 43:51
  Ryan: Have you ever seen the cartoon?
• 43:53
  Kearns: I can't think of
• 43:53
  Jon: I didn't even know it was a… I didn't know what it was.
• 43:56
  I'm a grown-up, I don't watch cartoons
• 43:59
  Ryan: I mean, that was an error with CatDog.
• 44:02
  CatDog
• 44:05
  Kearns: we're, we're gonna skip around a little bit on the itinerary
• 44:07
  here, on the outline, because we have to do naked Trash in the codpiece
• 44:12
  from the angry beaver candle.
• 44:15
  So apparently in Return of the Living Dead, as John told me, Trash was fully
• 44:21
  nude one point until one of the producers caught sight of it and was like,
• 44:26
  "Oh, no, no, no, we cannot do that."
• 44:27
  Which is probably the right
• 44:28
  Jon: Yeah.
• 44:31
  Um, well, maybe.
• 44:34
  When you, when you hear his, some of his logic behind this, you have to wonder.
• 44:38
  so producer Graham Henderson was on set the day that they were filming
• 44:42
  that scene with Trash dancing around fully naked, and he flipped out at
• 44:49
  Dan O'Bannon, yelling that you can't show pubic hair on television, as if
• 44:55
  that was going to be the impediment to "Return of the Living Dead" being on TV
• 44:59
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Ryan: I don't think it would've been.
• 45:01
  Kearns: Well, they would've just
• 45:02
  Jon: I mean,
• 45:03
  Kearns: I mean, it
• 45:04
  Jon: yeah.
• 45:05
  Kearns: to cut up movies for runtime
• 45:08
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 45:09
  Ryan: too, 'cause Porky's came out in 1981 and there's pubic hair in that.
• 45:15
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:15
  Ryan: when they showed that on TV, they just cut the shower scene out or cut
• 45:20
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:21
  Ryan: it
• 45:22
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:22
  I mean, listen, if, if you're trying to run "Return of the Living
• 45:27
  Dead" on anything beyond like premium cable back then, you are
• 45:31
  gonna have to cut a lot anyway.
• 45:34
  And his solution cost them a lot of money because what ends up happening is
• 45:39
  they send this to the makeup department who creates a G-string s- shaped
• 45:45
  appliance that was made to cover her, that they then had to remove every time-
• 45:54
  Kearns: It's outstanding work
• 45:57
  Jon: So they cost themselves how much money and how much time to cover up,
• 46:02
  what, 10 seconds of Full Frontal?
• 46:05
  Kearns: Yeah, I
• 46:06
  Ryan: they would have been
• 46:07
  Kearns: don't understand why they had to keep the front part in.
• 46:10
  I mean, it would've worked just
• 46:11
  Jon: No.
• 46:12
  Kearns: it.
• 46:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 46:14
  Kearns: Or at least waist… Yeah, like well, I mean, they, they had that in.
• 46:18
  Um, that was un- you know, untouched, so they could've
• 46:22
  just cut the full body front.
• 46:24
  Ryan: Waste
• 46:24
  Kearns: exactly.
• 46:25
  It was, it wouldn't have taken too much cinema magic to get that working for 'em
• 46:30
  Ryan: cuts.
• 46:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:32
  Ryan: waist up for the rated R people, you know, fully for, like, the uncut people
• 46:37
  Kearns: But I mean, a testament to the makeup and, uh, costume group.
• 46:41
  And, uh, that was
• 46:42
  Jon: Yeah
• 46:42
  Kearns: we were gonna talk about was the outstanding
• 46:45
  practical effects in this movie
• 46:49
  Ryan: Very well done, especially with a lot of the un-alivings.
• 46:52
  When you see the zombies take a chunk out of, like, the skulls and stuff, you see
• 46:57
  the whole skull and the brain come apart.
• 47:00
  It's, it's pretty cool, especially at, like, when they're burning up the
• 47:05
  bodies and you see, like, the smoke and stuff, like the effects and all that.
• 47:10
  It's… They did a good
• 47:11
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:11
  Ryan: especially
• 47:12
  Jon: I,
• 47:12
  Ryan: '85
• 47:14
  Jon: I mean, the achievement in the two main ones that I think of with
• 47:20
  Tar Man and just how they make him look, and then the half zombie that
• 47:26
  winds up on the table in the morgue,
• 47:28
  Kearns: most visceral, I think, in the
• 47:30
  Jon: that one is a… Like, that's just incredibly done,
• 47:34
  and it, it was revelatory too.
• 47:39
  Like, they then u- It's good enough that they can then use it to advance the story.
• 47:44
  It's not just, you know, window dressing.
• 47:46
  It's, "Why do you eat brains?" "Because brains ease the pain."
• 47:53
  Ryan: Do you think there's competition with, uh, Tom Savini since Tom Savini
• 47:58
  did all of George Romero's Dead movies?
• 48:02
  You think that was a little competition there or like an
• 48:05
  Jon: I'm,
• 48:05
  Ryan: to what
• 48:05
  Jon: I'm sure, it was.
• 48:07
  I mean, the real competition that was going on with this
• 48:10
  with Romero was Day of the Dead
• 48:13
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 48:13
  Which
• 48:14
  Jon: 'Cause they, these are being made basically at the same time to get
• 48:18
  released at basically the same time.
• 48:21
  So you have, you know, Romero making a sequel to his, his franchise
• 48:26
  himself, and then this sort of pseudo sequel being made separately.
• 48:32
  And at the time, "Return of the Living Dead" won out.
• 48:37
  Kearns: Which is crazy
• 48:38
  Jon: Day got a r-
• 48:39
  Ryan: yeah
• 48:39
  Jon: got a small release.
• 48:41
  Day got, Day kinda got buried because it was just smaller in, like, really
• 48:47
  every way: budget, you know, release.
• 48:52
  And Return, got a good promotional campaign, and
• 48:55
  just that benefit of being fun
• 48:59
  Ryan: Yeah, Return's more in your face.
• 49:02
  It's more energetic, while Day is very, like, a good pace, but it's
• 49:07
  more like you gotta think and it's
• 49:09
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:10
  Ryan: your classic horror story, while Return is like that punk
• 49:14
  rock, energetic, again, in your
• 49:17
  Kearns: I mean, Romero films are running on a different, a different type of fuel.
• 49:26
  The message…
• 49:27
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:27
  Kearns: they, they beat more like a traditional movie.
• 49:32
  This
• 49:32
  Jon: Yeah.
• 49:33
  Kearns: more like uh, of the era for sure.
• 49:36
  It's… There's a lot of fun.
• 49:37
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 49:38
  Kearns: of laughs.
• 49:39
  There's a lot of slapstick in it.
• 49:41
  The acting isn't, isn't very serious throughout the whole movie.
• 49:46
  Just the beginning part when he- they're freaking out when the
• 49:49
  c- when the cadaver reanimates and stuff, they're so overacting
• 49:52
  and being ridiculous on purpose.
• 49:54
  It's very Evil Dead.
• 49:55
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 49:56
  Kearns: Evil
• 49:56
  Jon: Yeah
• 49:57
  Kearns: make it bad, but it's not the same thing in my opinion.
• 50:01
  They're not the same type of
• 50:02
  Jon: No, it's not, it, it's not the emotional heft.
• 50:06
  Like, Romero makes, is making movies that are gonna make you feel
• 50:10
  something, and Return is making a movie that will make you have fun
• 50:15
  Kearns: There you go
• 50:16
  Ryan: Yep.
• 50:17
  Agreed
• 50:19
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 50:20
  I like it.
• 50:21
  What's up with this foreshadowing and background gags everywhere?
• 50:26
  Jon: I mean, there's so much.
• 50:28
  I mean, two of the unstated ones, there, there's things that, that, that
• 50:32
  are said throughout the whole movie that's like, "Oh, wow, that's exactly
• 50:36
  what happens." But the two that really undersaid th- that ones are, first right
• 50:43
  after Frank and Freddy release Tar Man.
• 50:48
  Tar Man's out of the barrel while they're unconscious in the basement.
• 50:51
  It doesn't touch them.
• 50:53
  Kearns: Oh
• 50:54
  Jon: They go upst- they go upstairs, they, they, and they
• 50:57
  go to eliminate the cadaver.
• 51:01
  The cadaver, when they open the door, runs right past Freddy and Frank and straight
• 51:06
  at Burt because they're already dead
• 51:10
  Ryan: That is
• 51:10
  Kearns: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 51:12
  That's cool
• 51:13
  Ryan: Uh, okay
• 51:15
  Jon: Yeah, that it's, it's, it's a touch you don't think about until
• 51:19
  you've seen it 150 times maybe
• 51:21
  Ryan: I was gonna say this is my second time watching it and I
• 51:23
  didn't like, it didn't sink in.
• 51:26
  Jon: This is the, second time I watched it this year.
• 51:31
  Kearns: you to watch it closely too, though, so that's also kind of a
• 51:34
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 51:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 51:36
  Kearns: right
• 51:36
  Jon: Yeah, so, so when you watch it closely, you catch more of it.
• 51:40
  Trash in the cemetery talking about dying and the way she would wanna die
• 51:46
  the least, and it's the way she dies.
• 51:49
  when, Bert and Ernie
• 51:54
  Yep.
• 51:54
  Bert and Ernie are putting like the split dogs and the cadaver parts into
• 51:58
  the crematoria, and Frank is sitting there and he says, "As some favor,
• 52:04
  I could operate that thing myself."
• 52:07
  And he, then he does.
• 52:09
  Like there's, there's just so many of those, those little things and then,
• 52:13
  and then the little gags throughout too.
• 52:16
  You have… Did you catch the eye chart in the background in the warehouse?
• 52:19
  Kearns: No
• 52:21
  Ryan: Oh.
• 52:23
  Jon: No, you didn't catch it either, Ryan?
• 52:25
  Ryan: No
• 52:25
  Jon: says, "Burt is a slave driver and a cheap son of a
• 52:29
  bitch who's going bald too."
• 52:32
  Kearns: Oh, that's great.
• 52:35
  That's great.
• 52:36
  I like
• 52:37
  Jon: I, but there's, just so many funny little things kicked in through here.
• 52:43
  You know, the, the repeated "Send more" on, the radios, "Send more paramedics,"
• 52:50
  "Send more cops." You know, like, there's… It's just like it, it
• 52:56
  balances the moments of absolute gore and violence with these goofy things
• 53:02
  that sort of, like, move it along.
• 53:04
  And then that sort of rolls into another part of this is the depth of the
• 53:11
  creation of some of these characters.
• 53:12
  Ernie, when you fir- when you first see Ernie, he's lis- listening
• 53:17
  to a German military march.
• 53:19
  He's got a German weapon.
• 53:22
  He's got the name of a dead SS guy.
• 53:29
  Ernest Kaltenbrunner is a real SS guy.
• 53:33
  Ryan: Yeah, he
• 53:33
  Jon: Like, so, so they're trading on th- this possibility that
• 53:37
  the mortician is a fugitive Nazi
• 53:41
  Kearns: That's actually pretty interesting
• 53:44
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:45
  Kearns: Pretty interesting
• 53:46
  Ryan: He's like, and he's like an anti-antagonist
• 53:50
  Kearns: He's a goofball
• 53:51
  Ryan: like on the thin line, goofball antagonist on the thin line
• 53:58
  Jon: Yeah, he's, he's not, like he's, he's a, he's a good
• 54:03
  guy with probably a shady past
• 54:07
  Ryan: Yes, see that
• 54:09
  Jon: You know, who, who found a job where he doesn't have to deal with
• 54:12
  people and can just sort of be in the background and out of the public eye and,
• 54:18
  Kearns: Make his
• 54:19
  Jon: you know, fade out.
• 54:21
  Yeah.
• 54:25
  Kearns: Pinning be- him being a Nazi on him is kind of a,
• 54:28
  a rough way to go about it.
• 54:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 54:32
  Kearns: heading to
• 54:32
  Jon: Yeah
• 54:33
  Kearns: just gonna tick out the old clock in Argentina.
• 54:36
  how do you guys feel about the ending of this movie?
• 54:40
  Ryan: Accurate.
• 54:41
  Kearns: Yeah, I…
• 54:42
  Ryan: Very
• 54:43
  Jon: I mean
• 54:44
  Kearns: time they, that we've seen this type of ending.
• 54:46
  So for everybody, at this point we always give you the disclaimer
• 54:49
  if you haven't watched the movie, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 54:50
  Especially if you see part two, 'cause that's when we spoil
• 54:52
  the hell out of everything.
• 54:54
  So if you haven't seen Return of the Living Dead, first of all,
• 54:56
  it's been like 27 million years so… What is it, almost 40 now?
• 54:59
  Or 41.
• 55:01
  Jon: 41.
• 55:02
  41.
• 55:04
  Kearns: the government uses a tactical micro-nuke to take
• 55:07
  care of the problem, and, uh,
• 55:11
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 55:11
  Kearns: w- I enjoyed that that was 100 billion percent exactly what
• 55:16
  would happen in that situation.
• 55:18
  Jon: Oh,
• 55:19
  Kearns: And it,
• 55:20
  Jon: definitely.
• 55:21
  Kearns: too, so it's not like a small
• 55:22
  Jon: Yeah, it's a… Yeah
• 55:25
  Kearns: Kentucky.
• 55:29
  And it
• 55:29
  Jon: Yeah.
• 55:30
  And, and,
• 55:31
  Kearns: brand
• 55:32
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 55:33
  Yeah, yeah.
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  It, it, 'cause it d- it just, they nuke it and the same thing happens.
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  Like, you, you eliminate the problem for a minute, but you've now put all
• 55:43
  the gas back up into the air, and then the rain, and it starts all over again
• 55:49
  Kearns: I wonder how far it would
• 55:50
  Jon: what, what I f… I mean,
• 55:53
  Kearns: like, does it dilute,
• 55:54
  Jon: at that point it
• 55:55
  Kearns: further it goes?
• 55:56
  'Cause remember the, um, the train accident in Ohio
• 55:59
  and everybody was worried?
• 56:01
  I remember I was outside with my kids and the r- it started to rain.
• 56:04
  I was like, "Ah, I don't like this one bit. Let's go inside." And I was wondering
• 56:08
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 56:09
  Kearns: of toxic gas
• 56:11
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 56:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 56:14
  And then, I mean, I think the best part about that, part makes it even more
• 56:19
  realistic is the colonel is talking on the phone after the nuke, and he says…
• 56:24
  And you don't hear the other side, but you hear his part of the conversation.
• 56:28
  He's saying, "Yes, I understand the president is gonna
• 56:30
  visit Louisville tomorrow.
• 56:32
  yes, it would be, it'd be really bad.
• 56:35
  Yes, yes." And, you know, that's right on brand too that the president of the, of
• 56:41
  the United States has to go straight to the disaster zone to, to show he supports
• 56:46
  these people, to score his political points, when the reality is those things
• 56:51
  are always way too stressful for the people in that area whose infrastructure
• 56:56
  has just been destroyed to…
• 56:59
  Yeah.
• 57:00
  They don't need the president
• 57:02
  Kearns: need the Red Cross rains and more cops and more paramedics.
• 57:07
  Jon: Yeah.
• 57:08
  Kearns: Send
• 57:09
  Jon: Send more paramedics.
• 57:13
  They, keep some of those gags up in two also.
• 57:16
  I watched two the other day, uh, you know, just to… 'cause I do that.
• 57:21
  and there's a scene in that where they're in the hospital and they're on
• 57:25
  the radio with what turns out to be a zombie, but the zombie's talking to them.
• 57:29
  So finally the guy on the radio says, "Who's the president?" And the zombie
• 57:34
  stops for a second, and you see it sort of processing, and he said, "Harry Truman."
• 57:41
  Kearns: That's when that guy ate it, when Harry Truman was
• 57:44
  Jon: Yep.
• 57:45
  Kearns: pretty funny.
• 57:45
  I like it.
• 57:46
  Jon: Yeah
• 57:47
  Kearns: All right.
• 57:48
  mean, I thought it ended, very well, especially for the type of movie it was.
• 57:52
  think it's time that we jump into some reviews, gentlemen
• 57:56
  Jon: Yeah.
• 57:58
  So, Return of the Living Dead is a 71% critic score
• 58:04
  Ryan: Okay
• 58:04
  Jon: 80% audience score
• 58:08
  Yeah.
• 58:09
  So, we have this five-star review.
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  "Many would agree when I say that the 1980s was the best era of horror, and this
• 58:19
  movie is the crème de la crème of horror comedies." Yeah, we're getting fancy here.
• 58:25
  "The perfect combination of camp and horror, this movie, with all its technical
• 58:31
  flaws, is a blend of great casting, super memorable dialogue, an awesome
• 58:38
  soundtrack, and of course, zombies.
• 58:42
  Best zombie movie ever."
• 58:45
  Kearns: I,
• 58:46
  Ryan: Ooh,
• 58:47
  Kearns: the high praise.
• 58:48
  I enjoy the high praise, but I don't know if it's the best zombie movie ever
• 58:53
  Jon: Mm, yeah.
• 58:54
  I mean, I know it's not.
• 58:55
  It's, it's up there.
• 58:56
  It, it's up there.
• 58:58
  Um, and we have this one star, and this one-star review is from a guy who
• 59:03
  thinks he can do the makeup himself
• 59:06
  Ryan: Oh
• 59:09
  Jon: One star.
• 59:10
  Can't even believe all the good ratings.
• 59:14
  POS of a movie, bad acting, improvised scenario written by a five-year-old?
• 59:22
  Zombies are as zombie-- zombies are as zombie as I would be with some makeup.
• 59:28
  Wow, can't even describe how shitty this was
• 59:35
  Ryan: Uh,
• 59:35
  Jon: this guy thinks he could sit at home and do that makeup
• 59:38
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 59:38
  Ryan: that review
• 59:39
  Kearns: That's the part of the review that makes him completely
• 59:41
  disqualified from making that review.
• 59:44
  see f- I can see somebody, like, being a Romero fan or something
• 59:47
  like that not vibing with this movie because of the shtick and
• 59:50
  whatnot, but you can't go after the
• 59:52
  Jon: Absolutely.
• 59:53
  Kearns: after the makeup
• 59:55
  Jon: No, they, it, they don't miss with the makeup.
• 59:59
  And then we have this one.
• 1:00:02
  It's a half star.
• 1:00:05
  Uh, half star.
• 1:00:07
  This is the zombie movie that gave the genre, period, the laughable rep-
• 1:00:12
  reputation it carried for so many years.
• 1:00:16
  This movie is so hard to watch and extremely cringe-worthy.
• 1:00:21
  A recommendation only for those who are looking to laugh at the
• 1:00:26
  stupidity of an '80s horror flick
• 1:00:28
  Kearns: it's for.
• 1:00:29
  That's, that's what
• 1:00:31
  Jon: Yes, that's ex- it's the exact point of this movie
• 1:00:36
  Kearns: you, I mean, if you go in looking for, like it's not scary at all.
• 1:00:40
  So if you're going in looking for
• 1:00:42
  Jon: No, no
• 1:00:43
  Kearns: of these people are coming from, but it's also like really, did
• 1:00:46
  it get you so aggravated that you couldn't understand what it was that
• 1:00:48
  you got online and had to write a
• 1:00:50
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:52
  Kearns: Grr.
• 1:00:53
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:54
  Ryan: film.
• 1:00:55
  Like, accept it.
• 1:00:56
  fun
• 1:00:57
  Kearns: I bet you that guy loved
• 1:00:58
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:00:58
  Kearns: Like,
• 1:01:01
  Anyway
• 1:01:02
  Jon: I went and looked, he doesn't have any other reviews
• 1:01:05
  Kearns: it was just this movie that got him going.
• 1:01:07
  Jon: This is the only review this guy has posted
• 1:01:10
  Kearns: an account for Return of the Living Dead
• 1:01:15
  Jon: I'm so mad about "Return of the Living Dead," I'm gonna create a Rotten
• 1:01:21
  Tomatoes account and I'm going to review "Return of the Living Dead,"
• 1:01:25
  and only "Return of the Living Dead."
• 1:01:27
  Kearns: uh, Xenomania John reviews up on Rotten Tomatoes for all the movies we do.
• 1:01:33
  Jon: We should.
• 1:01:34
  Kearns: do one for every
• 1:01:34
  Jon: We should.
• 1:01:36
  Kearns: just to counteract some of these
• 1:01:37
  Jon: Speaking, speaking of our reviews, I told you what some other people think.
• 1:01:44
  How about you guys?
• 1:01:45
  Kearns: Ryan?
• 1:01:46
  gonna go first tonight
• 1:01:47
  Ryan: I'm gonna, go with a 3.75 out of five stars.
• 1:01:52
  It, um, hits with the comedy.
• 1:01:55
  Again, it's not scary, but it's not supposed to be scary.
• 1:01:58
  It's supposed to be fun.
• 1:02:00
  like-- I wanna say it's like what Scream did for slasher, where it was like a
• 1:02:05
  satire of that genre or that subgenre.
• 1:02:08
  That's what Return of the Living Dead is.
• 1:02:10
  It's like kind of be- a satire of the like zombie film genre, that subgenre,
• 1:02:16
  but it does it in a, in a way where it's unique, and it created its own fan base.
• 1:02:22
  the acting, it is what it is.
• 1:02:24
  It does what it does.
• 1:02:26
  It's not the best, but it hits every right spot.
• 1:02:29
  It's goofy, it's fun, it's suspenseful when it needs to be suspenseful,
• 1:02:34
  and the ending's realistic.
• 1:02:36
  3.75 out of five
• 1:02:38
  Kearns: All right.
• 1:02:39
  I'm gonna go a little higher
• 1:02:40
  Jon: right
• 1:02:41
  Kearns: and hit it with a four, just for, like, in understanding, the spirit of what
• 1:02:45
  it is and what it's trying to do, too.
• 1:02:48
  And my original take on the movie, I did not watch the whole thing when I
• 1:02:52
  was, like, 13 and it came on, 'cause I was expecting Night of the Living Dead.
• 1:02:57
  I saw it again later in life, and I recognized what movie it
• 1:03:00
  was and what it was trying to do, and I appreciated it a lot more.
• 1:03:04
  and then the humor and stuff gets me every time.
• 1:03:06
  I know this is a horror podcast and stuff like that, but I mean, I like this movie.
• 1:03:12
  So I'm gonna give it a… I'm gonna go up to a four with it.
• 1:03:14
  It's, it's a good hang.
• 1:03:17
  It's a reliable good hang
• 1:03:21
  Jon: Hmm.
• 1:03:23
  Well, I'm gonna be significantly higher than you guys.
• 1:03:26
  we talked in the open, this is my, probably my second favorite
• 1:03:30
  movie in the world, behind Dawn, and we know what I rated Dawn.
• 1:03:34
  Dawn was a blue star.
• 1:03:36
  Return of Living Dead is a blue star movie for me.
• 1:03:39
  Ryan: Yeah
• 1:03:39
  Jon: a, this is, this is… You c- I, I know how you guys feel about
• 1:03:44
  Shaun of the Dead and some of the…
• 1:03:46
  This is the peak zombie comedy for me.
• 1:03:50
  This is as good as you can do this, and it's in spite of everything
• 1:03:55
  I like about the zombie genre.
• 1:03:57
  It's not, it's not scary.
• 1:04:00
  It's not slow zombies.
• 1:04:01
  It's not, you know, they talk, but it hits every note, and it's hit every
• 1:04:07
  note really since I was a little kid and I watched this for the first time.
• 1:04:11
  You know, whether, you know, when I was a little kid, it was
• 1:04:14
  the goofiness and the boobs.
• 1:04:16
  But now it's this whole package, and yeah, Return of the Living
• 1:04:20
  Dead is a blue star for me
• 1:04:24
  Ryan: Nicely
• 1:04:24
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:25
  I wasn't expecting that to be a blue star.
• 1:04:27
  That was a big surprise for me
• 1:04:29
  Ryan: I had, I had a feeling 'cause I don't know, you, you
• 1:04:33
  Jon: I mean,
• 1:04:33
  Ryan: about this film
• 1:04:35
  Jon: I have three hats.
• 1:04:36
  I have how many shirts?
• 1:04:37
  I have posters.
• 1:04:39
  I have a Tarman action figure in here somewhere.
• 1:04:42
  I have, like…
• 1:04:43
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 1:04:43
  I
• 1:04:44
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  I've bought it in every format you can buy a movie in
• 1:04:49
  Kearns: a visual of one day of, um, every movie we blue starred.
• 1:04:52
  I've got one, you've got two.
• 1:04:54
  I don't think Ryan's got one yet, does he?
• 1:04:57
  Jon: Ryan had one knife.
• 1:04:59
  Or did we…
• 1:05:00
  Ryan: I…
• 1:05:00
  Jon: We might have talked Ryan out of his blue star.
• 1:05:02
  He tried to blue star
• 1:05:04
  Kearns: 'Cause he knew it was, I was gonna blue star it or you
• 1:05:06
  were gonna blue star it, right?
• 1:05:08
  Ryan: There are, there are, I will say this, there are
• 1:05:12
  two Blue Star films coming up
• 1:05:13
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:05:14
  Ryan: me.
• 1:05:15
  One very, one very
• 1:05:16
  Kearns: Oh, it's gonna be Halloween.
• 1:05:17
  Jon: Yeah, I th- I th-
• 1:05:19
  Ryan: Uh,
• 1:05:19
  Jon: I, have one more Blue Star coming up this year, I think.
• 1:05:24
  And I think that, I, I think that… I'm not gonna reveal that.
• 1:05:27
  But I d- I think with our concept of the Blue Star, that's
• 1:05:32
  kind of the right proportion.
• 1:05:34
  we will have covered 52 movies this year.
• 1:05:38
  I think three is about the right number f- to be that good.
• 1:05:42
  When, you're curating it yourself, like it's not like these are random
• 1:05:48
  movies and three out of 52 got here.
• 1:05:50
  I'm picking the movies that we're doing on here, so I should be picking things are
• 1:05:55
  g- that are going to be near that level, or I'm picking things for another reason.
• 1:06:01
  But
• 1:06:01
  Ryan: you're pretty fair too because you choose movies that, like, some
• 1:06:05
  people have rated, like, very low, and
• 1:06:08
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 1:06:09
  Ryan: own take and all that.
• 1:06:10
  I feel like we have a good fairness on what we watch
• 1:06:14
  Kearns: Yeah
• 1:06:15
  Jon: I think so.
• 1:06:16
  I thi- yeah.
• 1:06:18
  I would agree with that.
• 1:06:19
  But I think, it's, you know, three out of 52 if I'm curating it is a nice ratio.
• 1:06:25
  That's 6% over the course of the year.
• 1:06:28
  It's pro- it,
• 1:06:30
  Kearns: a year
• 1:06:31
  Jon: it would-- But it also wouldn't be, three out of 52 in, like, if I was just
• 1:06:38
  putting on a movie I'd never seen before.
• 1:06:40
  It might not be any of 52 at that point.
• 1:06:44
  Let's go to top fives
• 1:06:45
  Kearns: Ryan, top five
• 1:06:47
  Ryan: fives, I'm doing spiritual sequels tonight and We're gonna start off
• 1:06:53
  with number five, Enemy of the State.
• 1:06:57
  So Enemy of the State stars Will Smith as well as Gene Hackman, which focuses
• 1:07:02
  on a labor lawyer who becomes the target of a covert surveillance operation after
• 1:07:06
  unwilingly, unwillingly, um, unwittingly
• 1:07:10
  Jon: And willingly
• 1:07:11
  Ryan: unwittingly, uh, receiving evidence of a political assassination.
• 1:07:15
  Thank you.
• 1:07:16
  Now, the interesting thing, um, now, what I, I mentioned earlier with spiritual
• 1:07:20
  sequels, it's either the character, the story, uh, similar theme, similar
• 1:07:24
  plot, maybe similar directors, actors.
• 1:07:27
  And what makes Enemy of the State a spiritual sequel is with a movie
• 1:07:32
  called The Conversation, made in 1974 directed and written by Francis Ford
• 1:07:37
  Coppola, which stars Gene Hackman as the surveillance expert Harry Caul.
• 1:07:42
  And the connection is Harry Caul is Gene Hackman's character with a different
• 1:07:48
  name in Enemy of the State, and that's what makes it a spiritual sequel,
• 1:07:52
  which I've always liked watching that.
• 1:07:54
  And I like The Conversation more.
• 1:07:56
  Like, Enemy of the State's a good movie, The Conversation,
• 1:08:00
  I like that political thriller.
• 1:08:02
  And to see, like, the possibility of what Harry's been up to and seeing that
• 1:08:08
  supposed character pop up in Enemy of the State was a nice, little popcorn moment.
• 1:08:14
  To which we get to number four.
• 1:08:17
  one we've talked about before.
• 1:08:18
  I'm a big James Bond fan, so when you get a spiritual sequel with my
• 1:08:22
  favorite James Bond, Sean Connery, in The Rock with Nicolas Cage
• 1:08:26
  and Ed Harris, it's, it's great.
• 1:08:29
  the plot follows, of course, a former SAS captain, played by Connery, and an
• 1:08:33
  FBI chemist, played by Cage, who attempt to disarm missiles from a rogue group of
• 1:08:38
  Force Recon Marines who have taken control of the former prison on Alcatraz Island.
• 1:08:42
  the idea that Connery, of course plays an MI6 agent in The Rock, but it goes to the
• 1:08:50
  idea that James Bond was only a codename.
• 1:08:54
  Like, each actor, that's why James Bond was different.
• 1:08:57
  And I mean, they mess with the lore a little bit because Roger Moore's, uh,
• 1:09:01
  James Bond visits, uh, Tracy's grave, which is connection to George Lazenby,
• 1:09:06
  and Sean Connery's Bond makes a reference to Tracy in Diamonds Are Forever.
• 1:09:10
  And same thing with Pierce Brosnan in The World Is Not
• 1:09:13
  Enough, and Never Dies to Tracy.
• 1:09:16
  So there's a question, but originally they were gonna have it where each
• 1:09:21
  actor was a different version of Bond.
• 1:09:25
  It was a different person, and that's why The Rock is so unique 'cause it goes
• 1:09:29
  with that idea that character could've been Bond in an alternate universe.
• 1:09:36
  nice touch and a nice spiritual sequel, which this one, and Ladies and
• 1:09:41
  gentlemen, if you are, if, uh, not if you are, when you're listening, and
• 1:09:45
  if you wanna mention some spiritual sequels, throw some out there, please
• 1:09:49
  do so, because this one, this one's gonna be rock- rocky or interesting.
• 1:09:53
  If you guys wanna throw in your opinions, please.
• 1:09:55
  And that's Carlito's Way, directed by Brian De Palma, screenplay by David Koepp.
• 1:10:02
  It focuses on, Carlito Brigante who gets out of jail, and he's kinda
• 1:10:07
  trying to get out of the criminal life, but he's getting pulled into.
• 1:10:11
  And it's considered a spiritual sequel to Scarface because the idea of Tony
• 1:10:15
  Montana, also directed by Brian De Palma, he's trying to become a crime boss.
• 1:10:21
  He's getting into crime.
• 1:10:22
  He's growing, and it shows his rise, while with Carlito, it's him trying
• 1:10:27
  to, to like live a normal life after experiencing the crime life.
• 1:10:32
  And it's got a similar setting, similar director, of course, both Al Pacino
• 1:10:36
  playing opposite sides of the coin.
• 1:10:39
  But the connection is that vibe and how both stories reflect like
• 1:10:45
  on the growth of crime as well as trying to get out of crime.
• 1:10:48
  It was an interesting concept I was reading about, and it took
• 1:10:52
  a lot of convincing on my end, so figured I'd throw that out.
• 1:10:55
  This one I feel like, I don't know if you guys would agree with me, but it's Casino.
• 1:11:00
  It's a spiritual successor or a sequel to Goodfellas.
• 1:11:05
  it, it's, it's all on the vibe.
• 1:11:07
  Kearns: I could get behind that
• 1:11:09
  Ryan: De Niro.
• 1:11:11
  Yeah, I mean, like De Niro plays a similar character.
• 1:11:13
  Joe Pesci definitely plays a similar character.
• 1:11:16
  Scorsese, of course, is behind it.
• 1:11:18
  Nicholas Pileggi, writes it along with Scorsese again.
• 1:11:23
  it's-- I know, I, I messed up his name.
• 1:11:26
  I'm trying here.
• 1:11:27
  I'm, I'm overthinking it, but it's like that same vibe, same you know, gangster.
• 1:11:34
  I mean, the only difference, it's Las Vegas during the '70s compared
• 1:11:38
  to New York during the '50s.
• 1:11:41
  And this leads to my number one.
• 1:11:42
  This is my favorite spiritual sequel, and I, I want someone to actually
• 1:11:48
  like try to not make this make sense, but it's High Plains Drifter.
• 1:11:53
  So it's directed by Clint Eastwood, written by Ernest Tidyman, and it's about,
• 1:11:58
  uh, Eastwood, who's a mysterious stranger, a man with no name, meets-- who, uh,
• 1:12:04
  goes to like a town that, it's a frontier mining town, for basically revenge,
• 1:12:10
  and that's how I'm gonna leave it.
• 1:12:11
  But character is the man with no name from The Man with No Name trilogy.
• 1:12:17
  Same everything, and like there's like nods to Sergio Leone.
• 1:12:22
  There's nods to Don Siegel, who directed him in, I think, The Outlaw Josey Wales
• 1:12:28
  Kearns: I believe you are correct
• 1:12:30
  Ryan: So there's like homages to that, to those directors.
• 1:12:34
  But it's just how he carries himself and how he acts.
• 1:12:38
  It's 100% The Man With No Name.
• 1:12:40
  It's like the fourth film in that perfect trilogy.
• 1:12:43
  But Clint Eastwood kind of closes it up as this, like, man who's
• 1:12:48
  just traveling in the West, like, just doing his due diligence.
• 1:12:52
  And I mean, there's more to it when you get to Pale Rider, but I feel like that's
• 1:12:57
  a whole different character in itself.
• 1:12:59
  But those are my top five spiritual sequels.
• 1:13:02
  And well, what's your top five tonight?
• 1:13:06
  I'm
• 1:13:06
  Kearns: Before John starts, Philo-
• 1:13:08
  Jon: Okay
• 1:13:09
  Kearns: directed Outlaw Josey Wales
• 1:13:12
  Ryan: I'll look.
• 1:13:13
  Okay, so which… Was it Hingham High was Don Siegel then?
• 1:13:17
  to be
• 1:13:18
  Kearns: I should have probably checked that before I dropped the intel.
• 1:13:20
  Let's see.
• 1:13:23
  If I do that, Duel at Silver Creek, Flaming Star, Death of a Gunfighter.
• 1:13:27
  Two Mules for Sister Sara.
• 1:13:29
  the one
• 1:13:32
  Ryan: All right.
• 1:13:33
  I was gonna say that was one of his popular films after The Man
• 1:13:36
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 1:13:38
  So there might be another one in there, but I don't know.
• 1:13:40
  All right, John, you're up, buddy.
• 1:13:42
  Top five
• 1:13:43
  Jon: All right.
• 1:13:44
  So as we mentioned, Return of the Living Dead was written
• 1:13:48
  and directed by Dan O'Bannon.
• 1:13:50
  So my top five this week is top five Dan O'Bannon projects, and you'll- you're
• 1:13:58
  gonna be surprised b- based on my rating of Return where it winds up on this list.
• 1:14:03
  But number five is a movie called Lifeforce, which was directed by
• 1:14:10
  Tobe Hooper, who was originally, little bit of trivia, supposed to
• 1:14:14
  direct Return of the Living Dead.
• 1:14:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:19
  So in Lifeforce, which O'Bannon did the screenplay for, the English send
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  a space shuttle, the space shuttle Churchill, to observe Halley's Comet.
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  they find something attached to the tail.
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  Colonel Tom Carlsen goes in for a closer look.
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  when he returns to Earth, he has a female space vampire in tow.
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  vampire gets free, wreaks havoc in London.
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  lot of nudity in this one, too.
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  Seems to be O'Bannon's kinda thing.
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  and an appearance by Patrick Stewart way before Star Trek
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  Ryan: So need to watch that film.
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  But do you think the film would've been different if Toby Hooper directed it?
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  Jon: Return of Living, absolutely.
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  As I don't think you get the Return… I don't think Return of the Living Dead
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  gets a blue star from me with Tobe Hooper
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  Ryan: Really?
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  Okay.
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  Jon: I don't, I don't think he's got the style to make it work, but, you know.
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  my number four is a movie we all love, I think.
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  and Dan O'Bannon did the screenplay for my number four, which is Total Recall.
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  Kearns: Nice
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  Jon: Um, in space, recurring, yeah, returning visions of Mars, comes to
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  find the dream is better than reality, so and so, adapted from Philip K. Dick.
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  Mainly just threw that in so I could say Dick.
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  but yeah, that's number four is Total Recall.
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  Number three, I believe I've put on the list before, Dan O'Bannon did
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  the screenplay for Dead and Buried.
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  so you get Sheriff Dan Gillis has a seemingly perfect life running the
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  police force in coastal Potter's Bluff.
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  That is, until visitors are mysteriously killed, which is made worse by the
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  fact they seem to be reanimating.
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  As he investigates, it also seems possible his wife is responsible for the killings.
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  you get a pre-Freddy Robert Englund in this one also.
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  So it's like, again, so far we really haven't seen the humor that O'Bannon put
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  into "Return of the Living Dead," but it's sort of the breadth of his capacity as
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  a writer, which you're gonna get when we get to number one, you're gonna realize.
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  number two, probably a shock based on how I've talked about it for the last hour and
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  a half, is "Return of the Living Dead".
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  it's my number two Dan O'Bannon project because number one is
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  just so inarguably a great movie.
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  but you know, this is screenplay directing, y- you know, I, I've,
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  I've s- I can go on for like probably two or three more hours
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  about "Return of the Living Dead".
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  I'm not going to, especially not in the top five.
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  I'm just gonna say "Return of the Living Dead" is two.
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  And my number one, he wrote the screenplay for a movie we have never covered,
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  but clearly plays a huge role in our existence, and that movie is Alien
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  Alien is a Dan O'Bannon script.
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  Yep,
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  Ryan: too.
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  Good movie
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  Jon: Yep, it's the king of the space sci-fi horror movies.
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  You know, you, you get Ripley and Xenomorphs and face huggers and
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  the voice of the, lady that does voices on The Simpsons, Yaphet
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  Kotto, Hurt, all these people.
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  Ryan: The
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  Jon: Alien is… And when, we get to Alien somewhere down the road, I'm
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  gonna give you the spoiler now, this will be another blue star, but we-
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  I haven't even scheduled Alien yet because that's a long, long episode.
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  And a l- you know,
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  Ryan: Eh, we got
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  Jon: it's, it's gonna be a long episode
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  Ryan: Three
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  Kearns: Might have to be.
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  Might have
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  Jon: have, might have to be multiple episodes.
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  But we'll get to it.
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  We'll get to it.
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  And that's my, my top five Dan O'Bannons.
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  If I missed something that you're really attached to, throw it
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  in the comments, let me know.
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  I think, I think this is a pretty good list, though
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  Kearns: That was a good list
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  Ryan: I didn't know he wrote Alien, and I,
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: saw that as a part of the October challenge, and, uh, movie still holds up.
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  You're, like, i- if you, like, so I was, real quick, is you talk
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  about and it's the whole debate what's better, Alien or Aliens?
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  And it's really unfair thinking about it as I've gotten older,
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  'cause they're two different movies.
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  Aliens is more action-adventure, and Alien is more horror.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Ryan: And
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  Jon: In
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  Ryan: tries to take it back, but that's a whole other story
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  Jon: Alien 3 g- almost gets more to being a sci-fi movie, but we can talk
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  about that in a, a future episode.
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  Alien's a true horror movie.
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  I think for me, Alien is the better of the, of Alien versus Aliens,
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  but I understand people who think Aliens is too, because it's great
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  Kearns: Aliens is great.
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  movie.
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  Different
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  Jon: Yep
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  Kearns: All right, guys, it is time for us to get out of here.
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  Hope you enjoyed returning to the living dead with us
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  Ryan: Yep.
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  And next week we got Halloween, 1978.
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  Jon: Yep.
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  Kearns: likely
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  Jon: The OG.
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  Kearns: on the,
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  Jon: The OG
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  Ryan: It's the, it's the boogeyman
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  Kearns: All right, everybody, you have a good night.
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  We're outta here
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  Jon: Say it.