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Bonus Episode: F#ck, Marry, Kill with Your Favorite Seattle Bands · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more disgrace Land in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode or Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject, Alison Chains. We play
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  Speaker 1: Fuck Mary Kill with your favorite grunge bands, as well
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  Speaker 1: as a bit of a deeper dive into our Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: Land spin off series, and we get into your voicemails,
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  Speaker 1: text DMS, emails and as always, a whole lot of
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  Speaker 1: row See all right, discos, let's get into it. Barry Ford,
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  Speaker 1: one of our discos in the Patreon chat, made a
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  Speaker 1: comment in the chat the other day about Alice in Chains.
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  Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing Barry, but he basically said he loves Alice
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  Speaker 1: in Chains but doesn't consider them grunge. He considers them
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  Speaker 1: heavy metal, and I agree with that. I think that Jerry, Cantrell,
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  Speaker 1: Lane and the rest of Alice considered themselves a metal
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  Speaker 1: band or perhaps a rock band. Barry goes on to
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  Speaker 1: say that Alison Chains for the beginning of the end
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  Speaker 1: for the hair metal of the eighties, and here I
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  Speaker 1: think Barry is spot on once again. However, Alice in Chains,
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  Speaker 1: despite their late eighties emergence, despite their metal heavosity, and
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  Speaker 1: I know that's not a word, despite all that, they
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  Speaker 1: are a grund. And yeah, I know it's only because
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  Speaker 1: they're from Seattle during a very specific time in music history.
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  Speaker 1: But them's the breaks. As they say, there are worse
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  Speaker 1: places to be at worst times in history than Seattle
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  Speaker 1: in the late eighties in the early nineties. So Alice
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  Speaker 1: in Chains are indeed grunge, just as Sound Garden and
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  Speaker 1: mud Honey and Nirvana and you know the list. I
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  Speaker 1: saw all those bands, with the exception Nirvana. I could
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: have seen Nirvana, and I protested, it's a dumb story.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into it. I saw the Melvins too,
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  Speaker 1: and they were most certainly the best of the nineties
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  Speaker 1: grunge bands in my opinion, or one of them top two.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're fucking great. They're better than Pearl Jam.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the Melvins at Babyhead and Providence, Rhode Island.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say it was with Helmet, but that
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  Speaker 1: seems like just too much heaviness for one bill at
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  Speaker 1: a tiny club like Babyhead back in the day. But
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  Speaker 1: I definitely saw both those bands at that club at
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  Speaker 1: that time in the nineties. Also saw the Rollins Band
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  Speaker 1: there in quick Sand. I'm getting off point. What's my yes?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, grunge. Yes, the word grunge sucks, but ask
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  Speaker 1: those who live through the jazz age and they'll probably
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  Speaker 1: tell you that they hate the word swing. So be
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  Speaker 1: it grunge and Alice in Chains. They are one in
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  Speaker 1: the same now. I like Alison Chains. I always have,
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  Speaker 1: ever since I heard their first MTV hit, Man in
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  Speaker 1: the Box, which I think is the band's finest moment.
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  Speaker 1: It's an incredible song, great riff, great vocal. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a massive fan of alis In Chains, though, like I
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  Speaker 1: know that some of you are. I don't really listen
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  Speaker 1: to Alison Chains on purpose, but if that song comes on,
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  Speaker 1: I'm cranking it. That's not a bad thing. I don't
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  Speaker 1: actively listen to question Mark and the Mysterians, but if
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  Speaker 1: ninety six tiers comes on, you can bet your ass
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  Speaker 1: and blasting that shit. I think my favorite Alison Chains
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  Speaker 1: album isn't even an album at all. It's that that
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  Speaker 1: acoustic EP sing e juror Flies. I love that. It's
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  Speaker 1: an EP, right, yes, yeah, it's like seventy No, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's less like six or seven songs. But where
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  Speaker 1: does Alison Chain's rank in the eyes of the critics.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. As far as so
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  Speaker 1: called grunge bands are concerned. This is interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: because when we think of again so called grunge bands,
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  Speaker 1: there really aren't a lot of bad ones. I mean
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  Speaker 1: even even to Jam. I mean, Pear Jam is a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good band. Slowed out, I'm kidding. I love Pearl Jam,
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  Speaker 1: don't hate bomb me. Seriously, there aren't a lot of
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  Speaker 1: bad grunge bands, which means that they cannot be easily ranked.
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  Speaker 1: So with about ten seconds of Internet research right here,
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  Speaker 1: I see that my logic is flawed already, because when
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  Speaker 1: I think grunge, I think Seattle only, but that's not
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  Speaker 1: what the Internet thinks. I'm looking here, and the Internet
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  Speaker 1: thinks that I guess any band with distorted guitars in
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  Speaker 1: flannel in the nineteen nineties is grunge. That's okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: go with that definition. And let's see how the critics
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  Speaker 1: rank Alice in chains amidst their grunge contemporaries, and I
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  Speaker 1: so where If they're ranked higher than Soundgarden, then the
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  Speaker 1: grunge gods are gonna be very upset tonight. Okay, Pitchfork
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  Speaker 1: is too lame to rank these bands by numbers, so
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna ignore this list, and we're gonna ignore Pitchfork
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  Speaker 1: gold My magazine, which is a pretty serious publication for
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  Speaker 1: music love music collectors. I should say, Okay, this list
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  Speaker 1: is legit. You know what they have at number one?
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  Speaker 1: Drum roll please Green River? Now? Somehow I think this
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  Speaker 1: is gonna make Johnny Vinel very happy.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I have to admit, after all these years, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know this Green River album as well as I should.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't, I'll tell you Green River spawd members
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: of Mud Honey, including Mark Arm and Jeff Ahment. I
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: never know how to say that, who went on to
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: be a Mother Lovebone and then of course to be
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  Speaker 1: in Pearl Jam. So I get why they would have
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  Speaker 1: Green River here at number one. They're kind of the
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  Speaker 1: sonic boom of grunge. To revisit this album, though, and
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  Speaker 1: when I do, I doubt very much that I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: like it more than Bad motor Finger by Soundgarden, which, well,
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: now you know which band I think should be in.
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  Speaker 3: The number one.
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  Speaker 1: But let's see who gold Mine has for number two
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  Speaker 1: and the number two spot they have here you go
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  Speaker 1: Alice in Chains and it's Alice in Chains Dirt. Huh.
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  Speaker 1: They have Alice in Chains's Dirt as the second best
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  Speaker 1: grunge album of all time. I quibble with the ranking
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  Speaker 1: the number, but Barry, there you go, man, definitively grunge. Question.
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  Speaker 1: What do ladies think of Alice in Chains? Are they
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  Speaker 1: as stoked on Alice as they are on Soundgarden or
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  Speaker 1: Nirvana or Girl Jam? I mean Pro Jam? Do women
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: like Pearl Jam? Do they pear Jam seems like the
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: ultimate dad rock band, No shade. I'm just curious, but
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  Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, what's the male female split out of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Pro Jam show. I'm betting it's way
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  Speaker 1: more dudes, And I'm betting that women like Alice in
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  Speaker 1: Chains more than they like Pearl Jam. I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 1: My wife hates Pearl Jam. I don't I like Pearl
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  Speaker 1: Jam despite the shit I'm giving them. I like him
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Actually, she hates pearl Jam, but she thinks
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: Eddie Vedder is hot. So how does that figure into
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  Speaker 1: this equation? I don't know. Fuck Mary kill Pearl Jam,
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  Speaker 1: Alison chains Green River. Fuck Alison Chains kill Green River?
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  Speaker 1: Mary Pearl Jam. Right, that's the only answer, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: You're not gonna marry Green River. Fuck's sake? See what
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  Speaker 1: I did there. I guess you could kill Alice in Chains,
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  Speaker 1: but that seems successive given that Lane is already dead
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  Speaker 1: and giving the Green River is named after a serial killer,
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  Speaker 1: You're definitely killing Green River and Mary in Pearl Jam.
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  Speaker 1: You know Eddie Vedder? Isn't it for the long haul? All? Right?
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  Speaker 1: To recap Green River in their album Rehab Doll at
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  Speaker 1: number one, alis In Chains Dirt at number two, number three,
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: Nirvana Bleach, Damn. I gotta say this list is some
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: jack black, high fidelity, obnoxious record clerk type shit. Is
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  Speaker 1: Bleach better than never Mind? That's a really good question.
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  Speaker 1: Is is it even better than an Utero? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I think so. I haven't thought about it enough
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  Speaker 1: I need to. It's fucking awesome. I gotta say. When
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  Speaker 1: I think of the word grunge, I do think of
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  Speaker 1: this record. I think of Bleach. I can get with this.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps Nirvana Bleach should be even higher. And that's because
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  Speaker 1: you want to fuck Mary and kill Kirk Copain.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Number four, what do the big brained, big eared,
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  Speaker 4: big record collection writers at gold Mine think for number now?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, man, this is fucked up pauw dragline. This
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  Speaker 1: is just wrong, wrong, wrong answer. I know this record
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  Speaker 1: and this is way too high. Number four, this is
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  Speaker 1: just obnoxious record store clerk trolling right now. This is
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  Speaker 1: a fifteen year old you walking into Strawberries to buid
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  Speaker 1: never Mind in the stoned record clerk is like, oh man,
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: don't buy that fucking corporate Nirvana record. Man by this
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  Speaker 1: Paw record instead. This is the real shit. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing about Paw that is better than never Mind.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't fuck marry or kill anyone in Pod and
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  Speaker 1: neither would you. Number five Soundgarden. Here we go, all right,
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  Speaker 1: Soundgarden finally, but they have the wrong album. They have
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  Speaker 1: super Unknown, but The correct album for this high on
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  Speaker 1: the list is Bad motor Finger and I Will die
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  Speaker 1: at my Jesus Christ pose on that hill. Super Unknown
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  Speaker 1: is the shit. However, number six, I swear guys, I
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  Speaker 1: did not check this list until right now I'm reading
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  Speaker 1: it in real time. Number six is Alice in Chain's Facelift. Okay, Barry,
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  Speaker 1: your favorite metal band has more grunge albums on the
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  Speaker 1: top ten grunge album list than any other grunge band.
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  Speaker 1: What's that say about Alis in Chains being grunge? Number
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  Speaker 1: seven Nirvana never mind, way too low, way way way
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  Speaker 1: way too low. We wouldn't even be having this conversation
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  Speaker 1: right now without this album. Number eight still waiting on
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  Speaker 1: Bad Motorfinger, by the way, where the fuck is any
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  Speaker 1: veteran stone? And from the rest of the gang? Number
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  Speaker 1: eight is Dinosaur Junior Bug What in the actual fuck?
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  Speaker 1: This is some riachy, pretentious record store clerk bullshit. If
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  Speaker 1: you're including Dinosaur, who else are you including on this list?
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  Speaker 1: As grunge, The Pixies, the Lemonheads, Buffalo Tom Come on, man,
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: I love all those bands, and I love Dinosaur Junior,
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  Speaker 1: and I love this album. But I don't know, I
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: feel like. Not only was this record too far removed geographically,
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  Speaker 1: it was also too underground at the time of its release.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. People just weren't thinking of Dinosaur
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  Speaker 1: Junior as a grunge band. People who knew anyways, people
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  Speaker 1: who put up with people at gold mines bullshit were
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: not considering Dinosaur Junior grudge. They were considering Dinosaur Junior
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  Speaker 1: influential even on Kirk Cobain. Kirk Cobain, don't tell me
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: how to pronounce Kirk Cobain's name. They were certainly og.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: There were, certainly, but there were Massachusetts in like western masts.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't even. I don't know, man, this is a reach,
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  Speaker 1: to say nothing of the fact that Dinosaurgenior Bug is
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  Speaker 1: not better than Bad motor Finger by Sound Grad number nine,
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  Speaker 1: right on Time number nine with Pearl Jams number ten.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I can't listen to this record anymore. Ever,
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  Speaker 1: it was too big and I didn't like it enough
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  Speaker 1: to begin with. I loved when they did MTV Unplugged,
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: which I think was in support of this album, and
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  Speaker 1: I loved them live. I saw them at the beginning
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: of this ride, the beginning of their ride. I should
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: say when nobody knew them, saw them in a roller rink
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  Speaker 1: going on before Smashing Pumpkins, who were going on before
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili Peppers, and I saw Pearl Jam at
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  Speaker 1: the end of this ride when they were playing Big
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: Sheds on Lallapalooza. And Pearl Jam were always better as
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  Speaker 1: a live band than this record. They were even better
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: than as an idea than they were of this record.
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  Speaker 1: But I get it. Dudes love them some. Pearl Jam
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  Speaker 1: number two, ten, Nirvana in Utero. These dudes think that
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: ten by Pearl Jam is better than in Utero. That's
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: crazy talk. That's like thinking Chet Baker is a better
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  Speaker 1: trumpet player than Miles Davis. That's that's gross. I should
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: have said that I was trying to be on that
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: Elitis Record store clerk thing, that Elitas Record store clerk tip.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know. Man, God, this list annoys me. Okay,
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you though my list is gonna annoy you
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  Speaker 1: more than this list annoys me. So to recap, the
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  Speaker 1: top ten grunge albums from Goldmeme Magazine are in reverse order.
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  Speaker 1: Number ten, Nirvana in Utero, number nine, Pearl Jam ten,
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  Speaker 1: number eight, Dinosaur Junior Bug, number seven, Nirvana, never Mind six,
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  Speaker 1: Alison Chains, Facelift, five, Soundgardens, super Unknown, four Paw drag Line,
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here? What's the matter you
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  Speaker 1: never heard? Tad number three, Nirvana Bleach, number two, Alison
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  Speaker 1: Chains Dirt and number one Green River with Rehab Doll. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: For our purposes here, it's worth pointing out that Alison
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  Speaker 1: Chains have two albums in the top ten of the
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  Speaker 1: greatest grunge albums of all time, along with Nirvana. Now,
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: I think that is saying something. I think it says
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: Barry that Alison Chains are definitively grunge. But are there
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  Speaker 1: two Alison Chains albums on your top ten list of
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  Speaker 1: grunge albums? That's the question, is Alison Chain's definitively grunge?
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  Speaker 1: Are they emblematic of the grunge sound, the grunge era,
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  Speaker 1: the grunge movement more than any other grunge band. I
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: think what Goldmine is telling us is that perhaps they are.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure if I looked at Rolling Stone's list,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure if Pitchfork Hadney Balls and they put
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  Speaker 1: some some rankings on their on their list, we'd find
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: the same thing, But I don't know are they Are
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  Speaker 1: there two Alison chains records on your top ten list
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  Speaker 1: of grunge albums? I want to know, are there two
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  Speaker 1: Alison Chain's albums on my top ten grunge albums list? So,
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: after not thinking about this too much, I jotted a
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  Speaker 1: bunch down here and then I and then I ranked
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  Speaker 1: them and I'm telling you right now you're all gonna
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: hate this list, but I swear to you this is
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: this is the truth, this is authentic. This is not
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: me trolling you. This is not me trying to piss
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: you off, trying to get a reaction. This is not
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: me putting that Mother Lovebone album at number one, which
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure some of you would have. Not me.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of went here. My method was, Okay, if
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: I have all these records in front of me and
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: the clock's ticking and I gotta make my exit, I
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: gotta go grab my go bag, and I got room
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  Speaker 1: for one record it as I take off to my
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: desert island. In what order am I choosing that record? Okay?
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: So here we go. Number ten. You're gonna hate this
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: so much. Number ten the Singles soundtrack. Okay, yes, Cameron
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  Speaker 1: Crowz Film Singles. I know, I know real grunge heads
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  Speaker 1: hate this album, but I don't care. If you were
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: in high school in nineteen ninety whatever when this came
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: out ninety one, I think it came out, you could
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: not love this. Come on, you had to be a
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: hardened punk rock just anti establishment, and I was all
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: those things. But I wasn't that hard just total nerd
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: to not like this movie when it came out. You
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: might have problems with it now as cinema or whatever,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: but this movie's fantastic. In the soundtrack is great, and
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I know Paul Westerberg isn't grunge, and he's all over
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: this soundtrack. And I know, I know there's other songs
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: on this soundtrack that are not grudge, but this soundtrack
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  Speaker 1: is so fucking good. The movie's so good. Pearl Jam's
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: in the movie, for God's sake, they're in Matt Dillon's band.
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  Speaker 1: Movies is damn good, and it just it just gives
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: me all the feels for this time in history in
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: music history that I was part of. Actually we were
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: all part of, I guess in some way, you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: on the consumer side, at least so as lame as
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: this pick is I'm honest. Okay, I'm telling you I'm
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: coming at you. I'm coming at you with my heart
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  Speaker 1: on my sleeve. Single soundtrack, number ten, number nine, Alison
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Chain's Jar of Flies. I mentioned it earlier, number eight.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I gave him a lot of shit. But Pearl Jam Versus.
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  Speaker 1: When I was in college and I was at Northeastern,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: when this record came out, you could just walk through
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: campus and this would just be blasting from like uncountable
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: numbers of dorm windows on the quad, in boomboxes. You'd
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: go into the cafeteria, it would be it was everywhere everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone bought this record the week it came out, too Tuesday,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Toyer Records, New Brewstree, Boom, everyone had it. I don't
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: even know that I bought it, but I loved it.
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  Speaker 1: Pro Jam Versus at number eight, number seven, Smashing Pumpkins,
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  Speaker 1: Simme's Dream, criminally ignored by Goldmine. I got this record
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  Speaker 1: at number seven, Billy Corgan, you know I'm listening. I'm
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: here for you. I'm still listening to this record. Number six,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Nirvana in Utero, great album. I don't listen to it
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  Speaker 1: enough because you know, it's just a weird time. It's
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: a weird time for all of us who grew up
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: with Kurt Cobaine. Number five Soundgarden super Unknown, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's better than in Utero. Number four Melvin's
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: stoner Witch. This record is incredible. I didn't put this
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: here just to be cool, guy. I listened to the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: shit out of this record, and it's amazing. And I
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: will put Buzzo's solo album up here as well, high
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: but not cracking the top ten. Melvin stoner Witch, amazing,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: amazing album. If you don't know it, go get it.
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  Speaker 1: Number three Nirvana never Mind. It was real tough to
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: put this one behind number two Nirvana Bleach. But Nirvana Bleach,
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  Speaker 1: you just don't get never Mind without Bleach, which is
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: why it's number two in my book and number one
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Soundgarden Bad motor Finger is simply because this record is
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  Speaker 1: a masterpiece, and I listened to it. I just listened
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to it more. I listened to it more than I
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: listened to all these records. I have listened to this
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: record more historically then I've listened to all these records.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I guess, if you ask me, you know who's the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: most emblematic singer, songwriter, musician of the grunge era. I
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: don't know that I would say Chris Cornell. I think
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I would probably say Kurt Cobain. But I just listen
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: to Bad motor Finger more. I just think it's better.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: It's subjective, that's it. That's the reason I can't. You know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I can hear you if you're sitting here going super
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Unknown is better. But to me, it's Bad motor Finger. Okay,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So to recap to recap number one, Soundgarden, Bad motorf
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  Speaker 1: Finger number two, Nirvana Bleach number three, Nirvana never Mind
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: number four, Melvin stone Rich number five, Soundgarden super Unknown
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: number six, Nirvana in Utero number seven, Smashing Pumpkins, Sign's
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  Speaker 1: Dream number eight, Pearl Jam Versus number nine, Alison Chains,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Jar of Flies number ten, the Singles soundtrack Send Me
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: all the hate mail you got. I deserve it. This
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: is kind of a bullshit list. I get it. Three
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Nirvana records, two Soundgarden records, all in the top six. Yea,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: yea whatever. It might be lame, but it is authentic, Okay.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Like I said, if all those records are lying in
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: front of me, that's the order I'd pack them. For
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: my trip to the Desert Island. Anyway, thank you Alison
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Chains for sending us down this rabbit hole. Alison Chains.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: This Allison Chains episode is of course available for you
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to listen to right now at the top of your disgrace. Actually,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: just before this episode that you're listening to right now
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and coming up right after this episode is our rewind
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: episode on Snoop dogg Man. We are living in the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: nineties this week and next week. Next week we have
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: our part two of our Bob Dylan episode. And guys,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I don't even know where to begin. I have been
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in a rabbit on this subject, on this Bob Dylan
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: story that I'm putting together. This episode is going to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: blow your brains out in that jfk assassination kind of
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: blow your brains out kind of way I found. So
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: here's the deal. I found this book by two scholars,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Chad Israelsen, I think I'm saying that correctly and Jeff
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Taylor called the Political World of Bob Dylan, and it
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: has completely fucked me up. And I thought I knew
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: what this episode was going to be. It's one of
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: those episodes where you get into the research thinking one
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: thing and you get out of the research and you're like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: oh my god, what have I fucking learned? And on
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: top of that, during the researching and writing of this episode,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: as you as most of you know, we haven't really
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: talked about it here in much depth. But the JFK
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: files were released last week, last Tuesday, and I've been
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: digging around, as have a lot of people that I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: am doing a lot more digging. People are like writing
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: AI score to figure this out. And there's some really
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: smart journalists, former Washington Post folks who are digging into
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: this and very very intentional and thoughtful ways, and they're
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: lining it up with a bunch of research that has
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: already been done, a bunch of public documents that have
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: already been released, and they're able to cross check things
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and confirm them. And some of the so called previous
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories about what the CIA was up to, what
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Richard Nixon was up to, it's I mean, it's it's
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: put it this way, what we thought happened did not happened,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: unless what we thought happened was that the CIA had
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: something to do with the JFK assassination, because they most
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: certainly do. But there are far reaching consequences from these
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: files that go beyond the JFK assassination and go into
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the CIA's work in the nineteen seventies. And that's where
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: things get interesting for mister Bob Dylan. Okay, this is
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: shaping up to be something totally unexpected. I'm still not
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: with this episode. It's gonna be a miracle if we
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: get it done and released on time next week. But
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: we will, and when we do, it's gonna like, like
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I sort of said earlier, like actually what Peter Wolf
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: from the Jay Giles Band said, it's gonna blow your
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: face out. Man. Okay, I have a Peter Wolf story
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: by the way, maybe I'll tell it in the bonus section.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: It's about Bob Dylan. Maybe I'll tell it in the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: bonus section of this here, this yere episode. Anyways, back
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to Bob Dylan. When you're listening to the Dylan episode,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: be thinking about the whole voice of a Generation thing. Okay,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: they hung that label on Bob Dylan, It's part of
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: why we get into it in this upcoming episode. They
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: hung that label on Lane Staley's contemporary, Kirk Cobeyan as well.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: But next next week's Question of the Week is going
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to be what songwriter most speaks for your generation. Okay,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: every songwriter hates that moniker, but still it doesn't erase
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the fact that there are certain songwriters, there are certain
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: musicians who carry that mantle, whether they want to or not.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cobey definitely carry that mantle in my in my opinion,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: back in the nineteen nineties, he was absolutely the voice
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: of that generation. He most certainly did not want to be,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: yet he was. His influence was you could not even
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: calculate it if you tried, And I think you could
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: say something similar about Bob Dylan. But there are certainly
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the others from that that sixties generation who who could
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: wear that mantle. But I want to know from your perspective,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: from your generation, no matter what era you were born in,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: no matter what era you came up in, no matter
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: what era your formative years took took place in, whether
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: they were back in the past sometime and the aughts,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: perhaps in the nineties and the eighties and the seventies,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: perhaps perhaps your gen Z. I don't know. But who
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: is is it Kendrick? Who is that songwriter? Is it
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift? Is it Jack White? That most speaks for
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: your generation. That's what I want to be thinking about
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: when you're listening to that Bob Dylan episode. Okay, and
• 23:54
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  Speaker 1: drink some of my tea, and I will be back
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• 24:54
  Speaker 1: This week's Question of the Week was in light of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: our Lane Daily episode, which Seattle artist most speaks to you?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Which which musician which singer songwriter Who's your fave basically?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And why is it? Lane? Is it? Kurt? Is it Chris?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Is it Eddie? Who would be? Let me know? All right?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Calling in from the two seven to zero wherever that is.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Let's check out this voicemail here.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Jake, this is the Seattle question.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to go with probably a curveball here,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: but I'm gonna go with my man, Mark Lanagan, my
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: favorite artist of all time, pretty much leads enter of
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: the Screaming Trees, who are a great band, underrated band,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: but his solo output him with Isabelle Campbell, Greg Dooley.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: And then this his complete solo records. He also did
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: amazing work with Queens of the Stone Age, complete badass.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: He also slapped the Gallagher guy around from all Oasis anyway,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Mark Lanagan even close. Sorry Eddie, Sorry Kurt, Thanks Man.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Love the show, Mark Lanigan. We haven't mentioned Mark Lanigan yet,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and I don't think we've mentioned Screaming Trees yet. And
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I love this answer. I played it because we are
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: woefully overdue on a Mark Lannigan episode. And I gotta say, man,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I yeah, I am. I love just one of these
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: things like you just don't have enough time in your life.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean like right now, at this moment
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: in time, I mean like forever. Every time I've heard
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: any I've seen screaming trees before, and every time I've
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: heard anything Mark Lannigan, I'm into it. I like it
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: a lot. Yet I've never had that moment for me
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: where I've gone down and just become a fan and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: bought his stuff, actively seeked it out and got into it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I know he has an incredible book. I know the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: stories are supposed to be completely wild. I didn't know.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I guess there's in some part of my
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: memory hole. There's something about him slash around someone from Oasis.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's Liam. But I don't know this story,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and I feel like I should, and I feel like
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like I got to do an episode of
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Mark Lannigan and I got to make that happen soon.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do a Mark Lanigan and it gets episode two,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: separate episodes before the year's over. Maybe I'll get into that.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your call to seven. Oh appreciate you.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Hi, Jake.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: It's Kelly from the seventy eight one Again. I'm sorry
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: I had to call back because I meant to also
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: say I fucking love Pearl Jam too, always have and
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: I always will. Eddie veddaw Was He's still on my
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: locker in high school. I fucking love him. I love
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Pearl Jam. I saw him that Boston Goud and vite
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: before they tore it down, you know, the one where
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: he made the hole and jump through it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: I love him.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I love Edievetta.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: I don't care who knows it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I don't give a shit.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: I love them.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: I just had to call back and say that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, Kelly, thank you for the voicemail.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I played that obviously because I was asking earlier are
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: women into Pearl Jam? And clearly Kelly from Massachusetts is
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: into Pearl Jam. Kelly, I love the accent as well.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. All right, let's check out this
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: message from the two oh six.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: Thak what's happening?
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Brother? Now?
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: You know I was not gonna miss this week's question.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Of course, two six is in my name, so my
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: all time favorite grunge band. You know, I grew up
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: in I remember growing up in that era when grunge
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: was just huge. Actually fun fact, our main urban station
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: up here when Kurt Cobain passed away, they changed their
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: format and they blended in grunge and alternative with hip
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: hop and R and B. So you would hear a
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: Doctor Dre song, you hear a spin Doctor song, then
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: you hear a TLC record, follow up by a Pearl
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: Jam record. It was basically became a melting pot. As
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: far as favorite band, I mean, I guess Nirvana, But
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: I will say this, I always thought this was kind
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: of interesting, and give me your take on this. I
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: always felt that Soundgarden was like the led Zeppelin of
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: the grunge era. Black Hole Sun sounds like a song
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: Zeppelin would have made great song. By the way, I
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: always felt Alison Chains was the more metal band, like
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: they could be up there with Metallica, and I guess
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: Nirvana was more of like the pop They were more
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: the Beatles of the grunge era. Let me know what
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: you think on that. All right, rock and roller much.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Love, brother, That is some crazy I've never heard of that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: A ritization changing their format to celebrate an artist from
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: a different genre. Just speaks to the influence of Kurt
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Cobaine upon his passing. Yeah, I get your comparison. I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: get the sound Garden Zeppelin comparison, though I don't think Soundgarden,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I know Soundgarden was never as big commercially as led
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Zeppelin was. Maybe they were, like maybe you can. You
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: can look at the numbers and you can line them up,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you can look at the hits and number one records
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and charts and all that. But just anecdotally, time and place,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: there was no one bigger than led Zeppelin. When led
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Zeppelin was around, they were that big. They were head
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and shoulders above everybody else, and Soundgarden really wasn't. But stylistically,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Nirvana being more pop yep,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. And what else did
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you say, Alison Chains being more metal? Yeah, yeah for sure.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: But alis in Chains also had like a real kind
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: of hard rock kind of groove thing to them. But yeah, overall,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. Good, good call. I appreciate it. Thanks.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It's good to have your perspective from way up there
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: in the Northwest. All right, seven two four?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Sam?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: You asked about what band hits the hardest from Seattle
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: from the grunge era, and although it's boring for me,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: it is Alice in Chains, seven to four goes on
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to say, I prefer the Lane stuff, but I don't
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: mind it vibe with the Duval stuff too. I don't
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: mind you saying it, but they pulled me out of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a really dark space, especially the song I Stay. You
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: also asked last week what grunge band we listened to
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: most today, and yeah, it's Alison Chains, but I really
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: enjoy Mother Love Bone too, and catch myself listening to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: them to this day too. That and the supergroup Mad
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: season seven two four appreciate you, Yeah, man, Alison Chains,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: people love them. This episode we just released has received
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: an incredible amount of praise, an incredible amount of listens.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Like I said, number one on the music podcast chart
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: this week on Apple. And I think it's because of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: people like you seven two four who just have this
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: incredible affinity for Alison Chains and for Lane Stay in particular.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Four one six rights in subjects Seattle group Jason from
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the four one six, Hey, great topic. I find it
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: hard to listen to my formerly favorite Seattle grunge bands
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: because of the lead singers untimely and very sad demises,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: except of course Eddy Vedder. It did strike me the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: grunge was the first mainstream musical movement, although Blues was
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: there first that puts songs about mental health struggles on
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the mainstream chart down in a hole Lithium, black hole Sun,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: among others. It was honest, raw and a cry for help.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I was totally there with you, but then your last
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: sentence reminded me of Hell. I need you know, the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Beatles not as directly mental health related. So you're right.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what else came before that had
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the same commercial impact. I think you're right. I think
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: nothing's coming to mind. I think grunge nailed it first
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: in the biggest way, I should say, very interesting way
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to look at it. And you had too many dead
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: grunge singers, too many dead ones. It's ridiculous. I guess
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: they told us though, to your point. All right, I'm
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: going back here a little bit because we had the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: George Michael episode last week and I just want to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: go to this text here from the five to three
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: zero right. Hey, For us gen xers, MTV was like daycare.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: That's so true. I'll never forget when my folks got
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: turning on the Telly and the first thing on remote
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: control with Ken Ober Epic Show damn, I forgot about that.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I forgot about remote control. But favorite MTV artist Nirvana,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: it seems that air it smells like teen Spirit every hour.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: They definitely did. I'm not sure the group would have
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: gotten so big without MTV. They definitely wouldn't. And the
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: news of Cobain's death reported by Kurt Loder, is forever
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: etched in my mind. It's mine as well as the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: saddest day certainly was the most devastating rockstar passing of
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: our generation. I would agree with that. Appreciate the show
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: as always, keep on rocking from Z in the five
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  Speaker 1: next week's question of the week? Which artist speaks best
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: for your generation? Who is the voice of your generation?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And why? I want to know? Musically speaking, I know
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that's broad. I know you don't really wake up in
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the morning going hmm, what is Kendrick Lamar going to
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: say about my generation today? I get it, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: This is more a sociological, historical question than it is
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  Speaker 1: a subjective question. That's what I'm looking for Again six
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  Speaker 1: in on Instagram, Alice and Lane in particular are a
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  Speaker 1: huge inspiration for me as an artist, musician and a singer.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I remember the day we learned of his passing and
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  Speaker 1: the chilling fact that it was on the anniversary of
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Kurt's own death. I struggled not to cry listening to
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the last few minutes of today's episode. Bless you and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: your unique storytelling. I deeply appreciate it and you you
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: never disappoints her as always rock a rolla. W. Robbins,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: thank you so much. Appreciate you, my man, Thanks for listening,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Thanks for writing in. Kevin Mason writes in on X,
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  Speaker 1: Hey have you heard of the band plus Cibo. They've
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: been around, I believe since nineteen ninety six. They've had
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  Speaker 1: mild success here with songs such as Pure Morning and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Every You, Every Meet, but they have consistently been releasing
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  Speaker 1: album and touring. And you know, I said, I hadn't,
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  Speaker 1: but I have. Actually they're from England. Heard of them,
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  Speaker 1: never heard them? Placebo? You guys placebo fans like Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Hey Jake, I would love a Duran Duran episode. So guys,
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about Duran Duran last week and last
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  Speaker 1: full episode. Teresa goes on to say, I was at
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  Speaker 1: The Reflex video, I'm assuming if you do go down
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  Speaker 1: the Duran Duran path, I would suggest in The Pleasure
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  Speaker 1: Groove by John Taylor, John had a decent drug habit going.
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  Speaker 1: Some of it was documented. There is how it was
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  Speaker 1: bad enough that he made some questionable acting choices in
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  Speaker 1: the two thousands, such as the Flints Boy, the Flintstones. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm not going to read that part, Teresa.
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  Speaker 1: That's graphic. Ah right, Duran Duran, that sounds interesting. I
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  Speaker 1: The difference being beyond the name, is that with each
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  Speaker 1: recording at the top of each episode a little contextualization,
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  Speaker 1: But before we get there, I wanted to play for
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna be teeing up each episode with
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate all the reviews from all of you guys.
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