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The Kenny Report | 10 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Report tonight. The King's Birthday gongs that celebrate cruel
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  Speaker 2: COVID regimes imposed on Australians, while the Republican movement looks
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  Speaker 2: for a new chief. The fall of Peter Costello triggered
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  Speaker 2: by a fall or what looked more like a shirt front.
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  Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth will join me on that one. On the
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  Speaker 2: brink of a news poll defeat, Anthony Albanezi goes back
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  Speaker 2: to the old politics of climate change alarmism. Also the
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  Speaker 2: brilliant raid to free hostages from humas in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: But of course the critics.
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  Speaker 2: Find a way to slam Israel all the same, all that,
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  Speaker 2: plus Gematoniini and Caroline dear Asso, let's get started.
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  Speaker 1: It is, of course the King's birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Holiday Monday for most of us, not all of us,
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  Speaker 2: of course, And who knew the King had the same
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  Speaker 2: birthday as his mum?
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  Speaker 1: What a happy coincidence?
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  Speaker 2: No, seriously, the honors announced today are pretty infuriating. Most
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  Speaker 2: of them are terrific and welcomed, of course, so I mean,
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  Speaker 2: who wouldn't applaud recognition for the cricket legend Glenn McGrath,
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  Speaker 2: who turned his family's tragedy into one of the nation's
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  Speaker 2: great charity causes. But there's plenty of consternation this year,
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  Speaker 2: and rightly so, over the top honors given to two
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  Speaker 2: former Labor premiers, Victoria's Daniel Andrews and Western Australia's Mark McGowan.
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  Speaker 1: These blokes were two of the.
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  Speaker 2: Most callous, uncompromising and wrongheaded imposers of COVID pandemic responses.
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  Speaker 2: They cared little for personal liberties or for scientific evidence.
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  Speaker 1: They generated fear about COVID.
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  Speaker 2: As if it were Ebohler, and they played to a
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  Speaker 2: petrified crowd. Andrews made Melbourne the lockdown capital of the world,
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  Speaker 2: nearly nine months of lockdowns in total, all on the
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  Speaker 2: basis of medical advice he never shared, and even curfews
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  Speaker 2: were imposed on absolutely no medical advice whatsoever. Victorian kids
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  Speaker 2: had serious disruption to their schooling for.
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  Speaker 1: More than two years.
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  Speaker 2: People were restricted to their local areas. They were forced
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  Speaker 2: to wear masks outdoors, again unscientific nonsense. They were banned
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  Speaker 2: from fishing, from playing golf, from going to the park.
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  Speaker 1: In Victoria. They even shut down playgrounds.
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  Speaker 2: The state government locked in the residents of a housing
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  Speaker 2: commission tower. They introduced extreme vaccine mandates, and the police
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  Speaker 2: actions against law breakers and protesters were brutally extreme as
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  Speaker 2: you're seeing now and all through this horrible overreaction and
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  Speaker 2: draconian government, Andrews spoke to Victorians as if they were toddlers.
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  Speaker 3: There will be a curfew on advice from the Chief
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  Speaker 3: Officer from nine pm to five am each.
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  Speaker 4: And every day.
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  Speaker 1: Exercise is just that.
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  Speaker 3: It's not an opportunity need for seven families to catch
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  Speaker 3: up in the park. It's exercise, so it's you and
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  Speaker 3: one other person from your household or dependence. There will
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  Speaker 3: be no removal of masks to consume alcohol outdoors, so
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  Speaker 3: you will no longer be able to remove your mask
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  Speaker 3: to drink a cocktail at a pop up beer garden
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  Speaker 3: on a footpath as part of a pub crawl. Playgrounds,
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  Speaker 3: basketball courts, skate parks and exercise equipment despite the fact
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  Speaker 3: that it's outdoors will be closed. The whole bunch of
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  Speaker 3: people down the Rye Backbach last night who thought the
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  Speaker 3: best thing to do was to go and watch the sunset.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure it was a beautiful sunset. That's not in
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  Speaker 3: the spirit or in the letter of these rules.
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  Speaker 1: Still hard to believe, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is that all this overreach was obvious
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  Speaker 2: at the time. Sure, most of the media and the
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  Speaker 2: politicians they will urged him and the other premiers along,
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  Speaker 2: But on this program and elsewhere, the lack of scientific
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  Speaker 2: evidence was called out.
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  Speaker 1: The lack of medi call necessity.
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  Speaker 2: Was called out by renowned medical experts. We knew that
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  Speaker 2: shutting schools was wrong. We knew that lockdowns and curfews
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  Speaker 2: were over the top. We knew that vaccine mandates were
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  Speaker 2: wrong in principle and medically pointless because it became pretty
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  Speaker 2: clear pretty quickly that the vaccines didn't stop infections or
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  Speaker 2: the spread of the disease. With every passing day, now
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  Speaker 2: there's more and more scientific and medical evidence to demonstrate
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  Speaker 2: that the tough approach of the likes of Andrews and
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  Speaker 2: McGowan was wrong, and the social impacts, especially on young people,
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  Speaker 2: have been immense. To reward Andrews, to give him a
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  Speaker 2: national honor for doing this to his state, adding to
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  Speaker 2: the economic mess nationally and helping to trigger the massive
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  Speaker 2: spending response. Of course, that's now delivered the current inflation
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  Speaker 2: and interest rate pain.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that just adds insult to injury.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's McGowan, who was just as severe, just
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  Speaker 2: as careless about civil liberties, and just as intent on
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  Speaker 2: creating fear. He shut off his state from the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the country and didn't seem to care about the
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  Speaker 2: trauma it caused.
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  Speaker 5: If we need to, we will put up the hard border,
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  Speaker 5: and whilst that might be upsetting to people, we'll do
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  Speaker 5: what we have to do. No matter how hard our
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  Speaker 5: border controls, the virus can sneak into Western Australia. As
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  Speaker 5: of Boxing Day will essentially have a hard border with
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  Speaker 5: the whole of Australia. I never thought as Premier of
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  Speaker 5: the State I'd be bringing in state border in France.
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  Speaker 5: It definitely has been an extraordinary year.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 5: We'll do everything we can to keep COVID out, but
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  Speaker 5: I can't guarantee it. I can't guarantee it. We've got
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  Speaker 5: ships off the coast, we've got aircrew flying in, we've
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  Speaker 5: got truck drivers coming across the border.
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  Speaker 1: The horror, the horror.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a bloke who happily cut his state off from
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  Speaker 2: Australia didn't want to be part of the nation. Well,
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  Speaker 2: now he used to be honored by this nation. As
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  Speaker 2: the backlash grew today this became just another issue on
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  Speaker 2: which Anthony Albanesi is keen to escape responsibility.
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  Speaker 7: These matters are a matter for there's an independent body
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  Speaker 7: makes recommendations and so I'm sure that with politicians there
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  Speaker 7: are politicians are never on one hundred percent support, nor
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  Speaker 7: are former politicians.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what can you say about a federal labor government
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  Speaker 2: that honors these two labor premiers but won't even subject
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  Speaker 2: them and the whole nation to a proper and thorough
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  Speaker 2: royal commission into our pandemic response. It all means this
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  Speaker 2: could happen again. We're determined, apparently to learn nothing. I've
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  Speaker 2: shown you a number of times our Prime Minister Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi has been tempting the political gods, tempting the gods
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  Speaker 2: of the union polls, sounding for all the world like
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull, actually full of hubris about the polls and
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  Speaker 2: setting a key performance indicator for himself that he might
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  Speaker 2: just fail.
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  Speaker 7: We haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime minister.
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  Speaker 7: We haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime minister.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I said at the time, he'd better be careful.
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  Speaker 2: That's a record he might find hard to keep. News
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  Speaker 2: poll has tightened gradually since then, and today today's News
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  Speaker 2: poll has the PM and Labor on a knife edge.
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  Speaker 2: The Coalition's primary vote has jumped two percent to thirty nine,
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  Speaker 2: remembering they generally need a primary vote.
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  Speaker 1: Of forty or above to win.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's now dropped to thirty three, about what it was
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  Speaker 2: at the election.
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  Speaker 1: Now, with the.
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  Speaker 2: Greens slipping too, the two party preferred contest is.
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  Speaker 1: Now at fifty fifty.
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  Speaker 2: The parties are line ball and even split, so Albanese's
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  Speaker 2: boast about never having lost a new pole holds true
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  Speaker 2: just for now. But the trend is down and the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister's boast could come back to bite him pretty soon.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of the next election, whether it's late this year
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  Speaker 2: or early next, it'll see a huge focus now on
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  Speaker 2: climate and energy policy again. It'll be Labour's troubled, expensive
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  Speaker 2: and unreliable renewables transition going hard up against the Coalition's
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  Speaker 2: historic shift to nuclear for which we await more details.
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  Speaker 2: And as part of this, the Coalition has declared it'll
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  Speaker 2: give up on Labour's a missions reduction goal of forty
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  Speaker 2: three percent by twenty thirty. Peter Dutton says he'll still
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  Speaker 2: aim for net zero by twenty fifty, but not worry
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  Speaker 2: about what the emissions are in.
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  Speaker 1: Five and a half year's time. Now.
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  Speaker 2: That's because in effect we'll need more coal and gas
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  Speaker 2: to stick around in the medium term before emissions free
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  Speaker 2: nuclear power can kick in labour things, It's on to
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  Speaker 2: climate and election gold ratcheting up the same old alarmism
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  Speaker 2: and rehtoric that it's run for decades.
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  Speaker 7: This is about our environment, this is about our lifestyle.
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  Speaker 7: This is about natural disasters. And for a country like
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  Speaker 7: Australia that is.
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  Speaker 1: So susceptible to cyclones.
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  Speaker 7: To flooding to bushfires, there are economic consequences behind not
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  Speaker 7: moving forward as part of the global community.
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  Speaker 2: This is absolute nonsense. This is not scientific, it is
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  Speaker 2: not rational. It is a motive alarmism. And let me
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  Speaker 2: briefly explain why in three clear points. First, natural disasters
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  Speaker 2: in Australia are not getting worse. The alarmist keeps saying
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  Speaker 2: they will get worse, and they link every flood and
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  Speaker 2: every storm, every heat wave and every bushfire to climate change.
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  Speaker 2: But science the records where they show we've seen worse
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  Speaker 2: heat waves, we've seen worse bushfires, we've seen worse droughts,
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  Speaker 2: we've seen worse floods and cyclones for instance mentioned there
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  Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister are on the decline in number
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  Speaker 2: and in intensity. So that's just a baseless scare. The
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  Speaker 2: second point is that even if Australia got rid of
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  Speaker 2: all of its emissions tomorrow, it would not improve the climate.
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  Speaker 2: Don't take my word for it. Listen to the National
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  Speaker 2: Chief Scientist in twenty seventeen. When Australia's greenhouse gas is
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  Speaker 2: made up one point three percent of global emissions.
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  Speaker 8: If we reduced the world's carbon emissions by one point
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  Speaker 8: three percent, what impact would that have on the changing
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  Speaker 8: climate of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Virtually nothing, virtually nothing. That's just the fact.
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  Speaker 2: Any consideration of science or any rational analysis will tell
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  Speaker 2: you that these are just the facts, the inconvenient facts
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  Speaker 2: that labor the greens, the tills and much of the
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  Speaker 2: media want you to ignore. And the third point is this,
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  Speaker 2: even if Australia did eliminate its emissions tomorrow, even if
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  Speaker 2: we shut everything down, it would have actually have less
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  Speaker 2: than virtually no impact, because global emissions continued to rise.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever cuts we make are being more than made up
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  Speaker 2: for by growing emissions in other countries like India, like China,
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  Speaker 2: Indonesia and others. Official figures show global emissions grew by
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  Speaker 2: one percent last year, about the same as Australia's total emissions,
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  Speaker 2: as the total emissions there added to the global environment,
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  Speaker 2: the global atmosphere as Australia's annual emissions total as well.
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  Speaker 2: So this is just phony alarmism. This is just phony
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  Speaker 2: urgency from Labor, and it comes from them, and they're
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  Speaker 2: fellow travelers, and it's just an irrational com It's an
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  Speaker 2: attempt to frighten people into believing that an unreliable renewables
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  Speaker 2: plan that will cost a bomb, will jeopardize our power supplies,
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  Speaker 2: will actually in the end it will do nothing to
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  Speaker 2: improve the climate or the environment.
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  Speaker 1: Yet Albin Easy says this, you can't.
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  Speaker 7: Shape the future if you're afraid of And Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 7: is afraid of the future, and heat's incapable of leading
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  Speaker 7: Australia towards the future that we need.
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  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton is.
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  Speaker 7: Worse than Scott Morrison on climate change.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first, isn't it labor who's telling us the future
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  Speaker 2: is scary.
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  Speaker 1: Making it's frightened of the future.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't alb and easy at that very press conference trying
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  Speaker 2: to make us afraid of fires and floods and natural
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  Speaker 2: disasters into the future and pretending that his unreliable renewable energy.
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  Speaker 1: Plan would do something to change the weather.
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  Speaker 2: And second, yes, hallelujah, Peter Dutton has taken a step
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  Speaker 2: back from scomo. Instead of matching Labor and the Greens
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  Speaker 2: and the Tills on climate, Dutton is going to provide
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  Speaker 2: a policy alternative. It's still one that gets us to
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  Speaker 2: net zero, It's still one that moves with the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the world, but it's not one that pretends we're
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  Speaker 2: all facing an immediate crisis. It's not one that pretends
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  Speaker 2: that Australia itself.
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  Speaker 1: Can control the climate.
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  Speaker 2: And it is one that can deliver reliable power through
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  Speaker 2: nuclear energy. Because this is the other big lie of
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  Speaker 2: the Labor Green's approach. They are pretending that an unreliable
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  Speaker 2: renewables model with storage can power this nation. If it's
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  Speaker 2: so easy, why has no other comparable nation done it?
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  Speaker 2: Why is no other comparable nation even attempting to do it?
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  Speaker 2: Why are we sure of power now? And facing the
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  Speaker 2: highest prices ever. Labour's unreliable renewables plan simply cannot work
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  Speaker 2: under current technology. That's what the best experts tell us,
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  Speaker 2: that's what the International Energy Agency tells us, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what experience around the globe and here in Australia tells
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  Speaker 2: us as well.
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morrison's huge mistake.
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  Speaker 2: At the last election was to avoid a fight on
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  Speaker 2: climate and energy. He provided no alternative to the Labor,
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  Speaker 2: Greens and Teel alarmism and zealotry. When the Coalition has
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  Speaker 2: taken a more cautious policy on climate and energy to elections,
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  Speaker 2: as it did in twenty ten, twenty and thirteen, twenty
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  Speaker 2: sixteen and twenty nineteen, it has performed strongly. When it
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  Speaker 2: tried to match Labor and the Greens and the Tills,
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  Speaker 2: it lost office. So this is one of the most
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  Speaker 2: crucial policy battles for our country, a contest of ideas
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  Speaker 2: that really counts.
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  Speaker 1: Thank Guyah that Dutton is up for it. Bring it on.
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  Speaker 2: The news on the weekend about four Israeli hostages being
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  Speaker 2: rescued alive from Gaza after eight months in captivity in
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  Speaker 2: the hands of Hummas was just brilliant. There's been a
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  Speaker 2: lot of focus, understandably on Noah Agamani, because in many
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  Speaker 2: ways she became emblematic of the hostage trauma when the
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  Speaker 2: world saw the agonizing vision of her being kidnapped by
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  Speaker 2: Hummas terrorists at the music festival in southern Israel where
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  Speaker 2: hundreds were slaughtered on October the seventh last year. At
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  Speaker 2: the time, we also heard from the twenty six year
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  Speaker 2: old's father as he endured a helpless agony. Well, Israel
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  Speaker 2: has refused to be helpless in the face of Hamas terrorism,
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  Speaker 2: pursuing the terrorists since October the seventh, and on the
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  Speaker 2: weekend freeing four hostages kept in central Gaza. Noah was
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  Speaker 2: one of them and she was reunited with her father.
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  Speaker 2: The other hostages, three men, were held in a separate
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  Speaker 2: but nearby building, and we've seen one of them reunited
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  Speaker 2: with his mother in a moment that shows some things
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  Speaker 2: are simply beyond words. Even now, this is unashamedly good news.
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  Speaker 2: There were spontaneous celebrations around the world, including here in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: These people, these hostages, will never recover the eight months
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  Speaker 2: of their lives stolen. We don't know what permanent trauma
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  Speaker 2: is going to affect them or their loved ones for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of their lives. And while these hostages appear
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  Speaker 2: to be in relatively good health, we know others have
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  Speaker 2: been tortured, raped, and murdered. And we don't know everything
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  Speaker 2: about what these hostages were subjected to. We do know
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli Defense Force mission to rescue them was daring, deadly,
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  Speaker 2: and successful. A daylight raid and a heavily populated area
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  Speaker 2: of central Gaza, the Israeli soldiers were fired upon and
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  Speaker 2: one of them was killed. The IDF says it killed
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  Speaker 2: the Hummas operatives holding and guarding the hostages, and others
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  Speaker 2: who engaged in a battle there. Hummus claims more than
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  Speaker 2: two two hundred people were killed, and as usual, it
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  Speaker 2: describes them as civilians. The ABC's John Lyons parroted hummus
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  Speaker 2: claims as he reported for the National broadcaster that Israel
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  Speaker 2: rescued four hostages from a heavily populated refugee camp. Gaza
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  Speaker 2: authorities said at least two one hundred and ten Palestinians
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  Speaker 2: were killed and four hundred wounded during the rescue, which
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  Speaker 2: involved heavy bombardment. Yeah, just remember Ghazan authorities means Hummus
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  Speaker 2: propaganda Israel says the death toll was less than one hundred. Now,
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  Speaker 2: clearly this was a pinpoint operation, getting just four people out.
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  Speaker 1: Of two buildings.
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  Speaker 2: If there were civilian casualties, it begs the question of
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  Speaker 2: why Hummus would be hiding again among civilians, exposing them
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  Speaker 2: to risk. Why would it be holding hostages close to
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  Speaker 2: civilians compounding that risk. Why wouldn't it hand over hostages
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  Speaker 2: in an effort to end the war, And why would
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  Speaker 2: engage in a firefight with IDF forces if civilians are
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  Speaker 2: around and the IDF only want to get their hostages
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  Speaker 2: and go. None of these questions occur to the ABC types,
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  Speaker 2: the ideological left and other apologists for Hamas and other
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  Speaker 2: critics of Israel. They seek to portray Israel as the aggressor.
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  Speaker 2: They seek to demonize Israel even when it is going
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  Speaker 2: into hostile territory in a daring operation to rescue innocent
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  Speaker 2: young people who never, never should have been taken and held.
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  Speaker 1: As hostages in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: The taking of each and every hostage is a war crime,
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  Speaker 2: and every day that passes those war crimes are compounded.
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  Speaker 1: Well done to Israel.
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  Speaker 2: There are one hundred and twenty hostages still unaccounted for.
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  Speaker 1: How many are alive, we just don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But anyone who begrudges Israel's efforts to free and recover
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  Speaker 2: those hostages is obviously struggling to get in touch with
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  Speaker 2: their humanity, and they're exposing either a deep antipathy towards
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  Speaker 2: Israel or a complete failure to understand the situation. Humus
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  Speaker 2: needs to free the hostages, lay down its weapons, and
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  Speaker 2: surrender its terrorists. We've needed to see that since October
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  Speaker 2: the eighth, and every day they delay, with all the
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  Speaker 2: urging from activists around the world, every day they dig
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  Speaker 2: in with their terror and their brutality. It's another day
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  Speaker 2: that civilians and children suffer. Let's go to Alex Rivchin
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  Speaker 2: now he's the co CEO of the Executive Council of
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  Speaker 2: Australian Jury. Thanks for joining us, Alex, I appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us firstly about your reaction when you first heard
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  Speaker 2: this news on the weekend about the hostages being rescued.
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  Speaker 9: I couldn't believe that. You know, in my house there
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  Speaker 9: were tears, tears of joy that we haven't experienced for
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  Speaker 9: a long time. There's been little to be joyful about
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  Speaker 9: in the past eight months. But to know that four
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  Speaker 9: hostages are free, that fall life have been redeemed in
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  Speaker 9: this way. And as you mentioned there at the outset,
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  Speaker 9: Noah Goamani is someone who really touched our community. You know,
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  Speaker 9: her story resonated, that image of her being hauled away
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  Speaker 9: by savages to captivity, the story of her mother with
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  Speaker 9: terminal brain cancer, with whom Noah has now been reunited.
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  Speaker 9: The fact that two of her best friends traveled to
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  Speaker 9: Australia's Ambassadors as her voice to raise awareness of her plight,
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: and we connected with those people and we spoke with them.
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: We found out about what Noel was like, what she
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: experienced and what she felt in those last moments as
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: she was communicating with her friends just prior to her capture.
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: So to see her free, to see those images of reunion,
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: it's one of the most beautiful things that I can
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: recall that the reaction, as you rightly pointed out, has been,
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: on the one hand, extraordinary and on the other hand
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: completely true to form.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I've got to that reaction in just a moment.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: But first up, let's think and think about we know
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: around about one hundred and twenty hostages.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Still unaccounted for now.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I think no one can be act about this, but
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: there are expectations. I think that at least half of
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: those are dead. We don't really know. We never would
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: have expected to see these four hostages come out alive
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and healthy. What hope is there that there can be
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: more rescues.
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: It's very difficult to know. I mean, this operation was
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: planned for weeks and weeks and weeks. The Israelis knew
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: for a long time where they were, but in order
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: to go in to extract them safely, to protect the
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: soldiers and to avoid widespreads of being casualties, this is
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: a highly complex operation. This is the likes of the Integuaraid,
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: the capture of Ikman in Argentina. This is the sort
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: of thing this invokes. So it's very difficult. Does is
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: Wrong know where the hostages are at the moment. I'm
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: sure they do. Is it planning to get them out,
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: no doubt, but the circumstances are difficult, and no doubt
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: now a mass after seeing what is rong, will do
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: the lens and will go to to liberated citizens. No
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: doubt it will become even more complex and charging to
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: get them out.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: You mentioned the reaction.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Look, we shouldn't be surprised by anything that's thrown at
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Israel by its critics, but the idea that these people
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: are innocent hostages been held for eight months, there's obviously
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a pinpoint operation to go in there, an incredibly risky operation.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: In fact, one IDEAF soldier lost his life conducting this rescue.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: The fact that Israel.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Can be criticized for this operation, to me is almost
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: beyond belief.
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: Well, every civilian death is solely the responsibility of the
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: Palestine leadership in Gaza, which is Hamas. As you said,
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: they could have yielded up these hostages. They could end
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: the war.
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: Today.
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: When the commandos went in to liberate these four hostages,
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: they could have let them go, but of course they're
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: not going to do that. They responded with RPG fire,
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: which is inaccurate machine gun fire, which no doubt caused
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: some of the civilian casualties. So obviously, in that circumstance,
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: Israel's going to respond to try to extract its soldiers
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: and the hostages. It's going to respond to that fire,
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: and in that fire, in the dense the populated Sivilian
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: area where Hamas chose to keep the hostages with families,
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: mind you, with ordinary families. Doctors and journalists held these
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: captives in their homes, so no doubt there will be
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: civilian casualties, it's inevitable.
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: But every lost life from.
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: The very beginning until today is the responsibility of pumas.
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: And the fact that many in the world are blaming
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: Israel for launching this daring Commander ray to liberate its citizens.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: It's astounding tru sure is anyway, Alex, thanks so much
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: for joining us and sharing us your thoughts and insights
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: into that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Alex Riftrin there, who's with the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Let's come back home to Australia now and lighten the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: mood somewhat because this is the King's Birthday holiday Monday,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: but the Australian Republican Movement says that we should refer
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to it as the Happy Future Independence Day. Let's go
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: to Isaac Jeffrey, here's the CEO of the AARM.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you. Isaac. That's a bit optimistic,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: isn't it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Calling the King's birthday what a future? Some kind of
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: a Republican day? I woul I thought the Republican cause
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: has gone backwards in recent years.
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: Not at all made good to be with you. Look,
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: I'm very optimistic and I think that an Australian Republic
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: is in our very near future. I mean, today we're
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: celebrating a man that lives seventeen thousand kilometers away. He's
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: not an Aussie, he wasn't born here, he doesn't live here,
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: he hasn't migrated here, he doesn't pay Australian taxes.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Does he live there for a while, went to school here.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: We are celebrating him today, went.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: To school here, and I've seem to recall for a
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: short time I remember him being accosted by a woman
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: in a bikini at the beach once too, So he
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: knows a bit about Australian. The thing is, you don't
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: even have a chair of the arm at the moment, right,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you lost Nova Paris and Craig Foster, really over Craig
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Foster's leftist activism.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Over the Middle East ward.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Doesn't this show without reprosecuting that argument. I've spoken to
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: nov about that previously, But doesn't this show that your
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: organization has got too much of a hard life left
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: green left bent when if you're going to actually make
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: any progress, you've got to appeal to the mainstream.
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: Look, I agree that we need to make sure that
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: we're appealing to everybody in Australian Republic is about all Australians.
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: I don't necessarily agree that we're a left organization. I
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: personally worked for the Coalition. I grew up in a
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: regional area, voted Coalition.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: All my life. But Craig Foster was organization. Craig Foster
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: was your chair and.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: He's less His co chair was no Viparis, it was
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: much more mainstream.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: But she's a former Labor senator.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: If you're going to deliver a republic, there's one thing
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the Voice has taught you and everybody beyond doubt, and
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: that is no referendum is getting up without bipartisan support.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: So you will go nowhere unless you can.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Get not just a coalition voters on board, but coalition MPs.
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: Look, I absolutely agree, and we're really fortunate to be
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: in a position where we have a really high level
• 27:00
  Speaker 11: of support from within the Liberal Party. I don't think
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: it's going to be the same sort of scenario as
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: we saw last year with the Voice. I think that
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: everybody involved has learned lessons from that, whether that's ARM
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: or whether it's.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: The political parties themselves as well.
• 27:16
  Speaker 11: I think everybody's learned the lessons of the Voice of
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: ninety nine and of same sex marriage, and we've woven
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: that into our campaigns. But we're really fortunate to have
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: a really high level of support within the Liberal Party
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: and so I'm pretty confident that we can get this
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: over the line sooner rather than later.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Just briefly, when do you expect to have a new chair?
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: Look at our election process was brought forward, It was
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: already going to be brought forward before the two co
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: chairs stepped down to avoid the King's visit, which is
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: later on in the later on in the year. So
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: look where the election processes are running now, and I'm
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: expecting we'll be able to announce a new chair towards
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: the end of the month or very early in July.
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: But we do have an acting chair and the show
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: keeps on, show keeps on rolling. You know, We've got
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: thousands of tens of thousands have signed up supporters and
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: millions of Australians who believe in this cause. It's bigger
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: than any one or two individuals and so you know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: we're just getting on with it and we're celebrating today's today,
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: you know, the King and the future of an independent Australia.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for joining us, Isaac. I appreciated Isaac. Jeffrey
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: there with the Australian Republican movement. I think they're pushing
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the proverbial uphill at the moment.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: But I can't bring.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Myself to say that I'm celebrating the King today. That's
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: asking too much of me. It's a public holiday for
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: most people from my family.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to work. I got to say on the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: King's Birthday.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break, I got to catch
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: up with gematon Uni and Caroline Dura. So we're going
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: to talk about those callous COVID premiers rewarded with these
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: King's Birthday honors.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: That's sort out the problems of the world.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: With gematon Uni from GT Communications here on the desk
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: and j Motonnini of course, Germytonini on the Dectiny so
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: at Caroline Dusso, the host of the Royal Report, joining
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: us from Perth, both Perth natives.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I'm keen to get your views, particularly on mart McGowan.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Are they marching in the streets celebrating in the streets
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: today in Western Australia, Caroline, even though you'll really want
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: to be a separate country that your esteemed former premier
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: is being honored by Australia.
• 29:27
  Speaker 12: Now, it's actually pretty quiet in Perth today. You guys
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: are the ones having the public holiday, but our streets
• 29:32
  Speaker 12: are deserted, so hopefully people are off doing far more
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: fun things than paying homage to the former chairman. I
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: couldn't believe this this morning when I.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Saw it, Chris. I'm surprised, but not surprised.
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: You know, these awards have kind of become like the
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: Roman currency in the third century, you know, devaluing at
• 29:53
  Speaker 12: a rate of knobs.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: But the fact of the matter.
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: Is, I actually think what we're doing is we're sending
• 29:59
  Speaker 12: the wrong message. You know, there's a lot of people
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: suffering at the moment, Chris, and a lot of it
• 30:04
  Speaker 12: goes back to policy decisions which were made during.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: COVID and and CUTOS.
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: Obviously to jem because I know that she had a
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: lot to say at the time as well, but we
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: talked about a shadow pandemic of domestic violence. We talked
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: about kids not getting a proper education like they needed to.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: We talked about a shadow.
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: Pandemic of mental health, but it didn't matter because the
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: only death that mattered was a COVID death. And unfortunately,
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: all the consequences of that political expediency are now coming
• 30:34
  Speaker 12: out in the wash, and I just think it's you know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: I think it's pretty sad actually that we're rewarding this
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: sort of behavior. These awards should be for volunteers and
• 30:43
  Speaker 12: people who have done wonderful things in service of the community,
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: not police who have you know, notionally done their job
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: and then retire in a parliamentary pension.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Could not agree more. Caroline so Spot on Jember.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I get so angry about this, right because these blokes,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: as you are, I well know, because we interviewed people
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and discussed this right throughout the pandemic.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: These blogs knew they were doing the wrong thing.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: The evidence was out there that this was over the top,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and they shouldn't be rewarded with honors.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: The people should be rewarded with honors. The mother who lost.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Her baby because she couldn't go across a state border
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to get.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: To a hospital.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the families torn apart across that Western Australian border.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: You experienced all of this yourself.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: It is absolutely an indictment on whoever it is the
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: people who dole these awards out. You know this is Caroline,
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: I think very succinctly summed up the wreckage and the
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: carnage that Chairman Mark McGowan inflicted on West Australian's small business,
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: all of those things, and we all know it was
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: about politics, and it was about polling, and it wasn't
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: about anything other than popularity in an altar to self.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: But Victoria, I mean, the Joint's broken. Daniel Andrews ruined
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: Victoria financially, His policies ruined Victoria. He told people they
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: would dietent, actually die if they watched the sunset. The
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: Joint is an absolute basket case. And now they're giving
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: him a prize for turning the place into a wasteland
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: economically and socially.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: It's an embarrassments.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: It's something that the people who awarded these things should
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: hang their selves in shameover. I forget who it was
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: this afternoon who said that they're going to write It
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: wasn't Kennett.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Was it Jeff Kennett? Who's going to be on the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Bot Report with James Macpherson.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Jeff Kennet's come out swinging it says Daniel Anders shouldn't
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: get this, get you your point on polling, that Victorian goument,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews was spending taxpayers money dollars so that he
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: could impose the restrictions that he thought people would like
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the most.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So then so the Karens dominated, and.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: Now they're fighting in order to release the covid era documents.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: And this is transparency that the people we all know.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: Everybody's seen this house of cards fall down over the
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: last two years. One of our colleagues at The Australian
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: described me at the time as the leader of the
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: resistance in w Wayne.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I copped a lot of flat for it, but I make.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: No apology for that. I can look back up my
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: behavior and go I'm absolutely.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Hold you on one, absolutely absolutely.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And Caro just on that that the fact we don't
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: have a royal commission. We can laud these formal leaders
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: who imposed all this, yet we don't have a proper
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: national royal commission to actually interrogate the facts and demonstrate
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: whether what they did was right or not.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: It seems really warped priorities.
• 33:30
  Speaker 12: It is, and the unfortunate thing is sometimes things go wrong,
• 33:34
  Speaker 12: like a pandemic can occur. We know that there are
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: a great many things that weren't done properly at the
• 33:41
  Speaker 12: very least, don't we need to know why as a country,
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: at of both state and federal level, so that if
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: something were to happen again in the.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Future, we know what to do, what not to do.
• 33:53
  Speaker 12: How to plan things, how to strategize things, instead of
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: you know, parking the pandemic plan and bringing up your
• 34:01
  Speaker 12: local polling company to work out what's going to be
• 34:04
  Speaker 12: popular or not very interesting because obviously people want to
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: be safe and you can understand that, butally that's safety.
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: Well I don't either, but I'm sure there's people out
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: there understanding right and wanting to be safe.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: But I know.
• 34:21
  Speaker 12: But the thing is is that it's not free, and there.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Is a price.
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: The price of that is a great many failures and
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: we need to know why.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we will continue this argument because we've got
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: to push for greater transparency. You can start with the
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: hippocratic goth and first do no harm, but they did
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: harm in case bad things might happen.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I want to get to we talked about Poles.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I want to get to Newspole because this is telling
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: jem to see that we've got a labor and the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: coalition fifty to fifty on the two party preferred vision,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a two party preferred basis at.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: The moment we just put that up.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: That is obviously that's as lineball as against yet elbows
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that have been out.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: There boasting that he's never lost news. Both the trend
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: is strength ha ha ha.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Look, it's really interesting, is it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: I think this is a reflection of conversations that I'm
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: having in client land, in social land, and might surprise
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: some of Auru as Chris.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I do have friends on the political left.
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: It's shocking, I know, but it's true. And this is
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: a reflection of the fact that you know it's the cliche,
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: because it's true. You cannot take the electric for a mug.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: You can promise the earth, but if you do not deliver.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: And I'm talking obviously about the cost of living, I'm talking.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: About power prices.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about what you said in your interview just
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: before we came on air. The rest of the world
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: has worked out that renewable cannot be done in the
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: way that Chris Bowlin would like us to think it committed.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: It just simply can't be done. And he wants us
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: to believe that the rest of the developed world is.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Wrong and we've got it right here.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's absolute arrogance at its worst, and what
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: it does to the electric it says we don't care
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: about you. We don't care about the things that are
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: your pain points for your family, we don't care about
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: the inflationary spending, and with the greatest of respect to
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: mister short, we don't care about space thing three hundred
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: thousand dollars a year on a speech writer as speech writer,
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: like we talked about last week. So from my perspective,
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: I think this is only going to get worse because
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: there's a conger line of economic and social challenges facing
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: the Albanese government at the moment, none of which it's
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: dealing with. Immigration is an issue as well, and frankly,
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: its response to the Israel situation is a problem for it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Well that's a good segue for me because I want
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: to leave domestic politics now and get on to what
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: we've seen over the weekend.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And Carolina, I just want to get your thoughts.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: On on a those hostages being freed, the joy of
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: that we perhaps thought we might not see any more
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: hostages freed alive, and then the criticism of Israel for
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: daring to go in and rescue its own people.
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: Look, when I first saw that news, I got very teary.
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: The fact that those those four people, after you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: almost two hundred and fifty days up to being kidnapped,
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: these people were kidnapped, they were taken hostage, that they
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: were able to be extracted out of Gaza was just unbelievable.
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: Like I was just gobsmacked and joyous at the same time.
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: The criticism has been unbelievable.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: The fact of the matter.
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: Is, if those people weren't taken hostage in the first place,
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: you wouldn't have had a question about civilians, And if
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: you weren't using civilians as a human shield, then equally
• 37:25
  Speaker 12: we would have seen far less civilian deaths. No one
• 37:28
  Speaker 12: wants to see civilian deaths. I don't know reasonable rational,
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: caring human being wants to see civilian deaths. But you
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: cannot give a whole past to Humas for the terrorism
• 37:40
  Speaker 12: and the atrocities that they have committed and hide it
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: behind gaz and civilian deaths, because that is absolute garbage.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Jemma.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine a government would not go in and rescue with sausages.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: It had to do that, and thank god that was successful.
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  Speaker 6: Did imagine all the people who said get out of Gaza,
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  Speaker 6: all eyes on Rafa, those four people would still be,
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  Speaker 6: you know, being kept and squirreled away by all reports,
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  Speaker 6: and it seems to have been confirmed.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: By an Al Jazeera journalist and a.
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  Speaker 6: Medical doctor who were using that young woman. I didn't
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  Speaker 6: expect ever to see her alive again.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of us did.
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  Speaker 6: But I think what I want our view is to
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  Speaker 6: think about very seriously tonight about the reaction to this,
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  Speaker 6: the Australian government's reaction, and many on the political left,
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: because it's always the progressive left, the regressive left.
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  Speaker 4: If that were.
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  Speaker 6: You, your daughter, your child, your wife, your partner, your husband,
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  Speaker 6: your grandfather as a hostage, this government would abandon you.
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  Speaker 6: This government would say well, I'm sorry, we can't go
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  Speaker 6: in there because of you know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have a cease fire and leave it alone.
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  Speaker 4: It's have a cease fire.
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  Speaker 6: You would be left to rot. The Israeli government has
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  Speaker 6: gone in rescued its citizens.
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  Speaker 4: How dare we lecture it?
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  Speaker 6: How dare we?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well said gem I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks you join us again, Jematon Uni and Caroline durl
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: So we've got to get to a break. On the
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: other side of that, we're going to catch up on
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: all the media issues with Sophie ELL's with including of
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: course Peter Costello falling on his sword.
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  Speaker 2: Last Thursday night, we were the first to broadcast that
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• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Costello with pertinent questions at Canberra Airport.
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  Speaker 10: Why won't you support mister sneezebe publicly?
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  Speaker 1: Goodness?
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  Speaker 10: Well, you've got to answer the questions. Miss. You've just
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  Speaker 10: assaulted You've just assaulted me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was just incredible stuff, wasn't it, especially given much
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: of the controversy at nine relates to sexual harassment claims
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and an allegedly sort of aggressive blokey culture. Later on
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Thursday night, Costello didn't accept that he'd done anything wrong.
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  Speaker 8: As I walked past him, he walked back into an
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  Speaker 8: advertising plat card and he fell over.
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  Speaker 1: I did not strike him.
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  Speaker 3: If he's upset about that, I'm sorry, but I did
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  Speaker 3: not strike him.
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  Speaker 2: Still, within forty eight hours, Costello had resigned as chairman
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: of nine media dramatic events, huge repercussions from an apparent
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  Speaker 2: brain snap. Let's go to The Australian's media writer Sophie
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: O's with Sophie Good to talk to you Costello.
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  Speaker 1: He was under the pump.
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  Speaker 2: Before that incident with a falling share price and these
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: other controversies. That's why Leam Mendez was there questioning him,
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  Speaker 2: so that once this happened on Thursday, it seems pretty inevitable,
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  Speaker 2: didn't it that he might lose the chairmanship.
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  Speaker 13: Well, great work to Lamb Mendez for absolutely actually being
• 41:38
  Speaker 13: able to get hold of Peter Costello because many of
• 41:42
  Speaker 13: us in the media have been trying to ask him
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  Speaker 13: the questions that Liam asked him face to face four weeks.
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  Speaker 4: And he refused to answer.
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  Speaker 13: Now, clearly Liam Mendez has got under his skin when
• 41:53
  Speaker 13: he's asking.
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  Speaker 4: These really important questions.
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  Speaker 13: And it was a couple of minutes of madness, Chris
• 42:00
  Speaker 13: Sheer madness where you ended up with Peter Costello's shirt fronting.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Liam and leaving him lying there.
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  Speaker 13: Sprawled on the floor of the airport terminal lounge.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was just unbelievable stuff.
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  Speaker 13: And then it's not always the crime, as they say, Chris,
• 42:17
  Speaker 13: it's the cover up and the fact that he came
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  Speaker 13: out very carefully, mister Costello and said in Parliament House
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  Speaker 13: that he did not strike Liam Mendez was.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Very careful with his words.
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  Speaker 13: His fate was sealed there, Chris. This was a shocking
• 42:32
  Speaker 13: turn of events and really a terrible way.
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  Speaker 4: For him to end his chairmanship at nine.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a shock. He's an Essendon support
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: of Peter. Costello had a touch of the Billy Duckworth
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: about it, that one if you know.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Your footy from decades ago.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: But it did look like he dipped the shoulder and
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: gave him a bit of a shunt. So you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the thing to do is to sort of if as
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: a brain snap, is to apologize move on.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: But it's a really ugly situation for nine.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Does it help the woes though, Sophia. Does it make
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: it easier for them now to refresh or does it
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: compound their woes? Is the pressure still on Mike sneezeby
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  Speaker 2: the CEO and the like.
• 43:10
  Speaker 13: Well, I've got more in the Australian on this tomorrow, Chris.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: So check that out. But this does not move on
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: the saga from nine. It's far from it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 13: Mister Sneezebee is under incredible pressure and this is not.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: A case of you know, we move on now.
• 43:27
  Speaker 13: I mean they're waiting for this external review into the culture,
• 43:32
  Speaker 13: their sexual allegations of misconduct and bullying, and mister Sneezebe
• 43:37
  Speaker 13: now has to try and move the company on. But
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: staff inside nine we're telling me today that they were
• 43:44
  Speaker 13: just relieved that mister Costello has gone, but now they
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: wait anxiously to see the findings of this independent review
• 43:52
  Speaker 13: to show the conduct that is going on inside nine Entertainment.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Very messy stuff. There's never a dull moment in me
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: these days. And you've been all over it for a
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: number of years. But of course there's been so much
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: unfolding at ten as well. And you've been on the
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: case of Lisa Wilkinson because she got the multi million
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: dollar deal to go from seven to ten and she's
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: paid a lot of money now to do essentially nothing.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: And there was all that.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Controversy during the Bruce Lehman defamation trial when she complained
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: about the poor legal advice or the legal okay she
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: got for her controversial speech from Channel ten's lawyers. And
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: you've tracked down at the os how she's turned up
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: in an event in Can's up in far North Queensland,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: and she's had a bit of a joke along their lines,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: along those lines about the speech she was presenting up there.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Have a look now before I did.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I do want to term that I have had this
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: speech limit by my independent legal to me.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: So don't anybody pay it please call me. Yeah, I
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: wonder if she read it herself.
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  Speaker 2: I stood the implications of contempted to court and all
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: the rest of it as well, Sophie. I don't think
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: she's blameless in this affair. Most journalists never would have
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: said what she said at that Logi's award.
• 45:11
  Speaker 13: Well, Lisa Wilkinson is one of the most experienced journalists
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: in the country, so there has to be some onus
• 45:18
  Speaker 13: on her. But it was quite remarkable that she was
• 45:22
  Speaker 13: making the light of this really, Chris. I mean, you
• 45:24
  Speaker 13: can look back in hindsight and perhaps perhaps try and
• 45:28
  Speaker 13: make light of the situation, but this was incredibly serious
• 45:32
  Speaker 13: that that speech did result in the Britney Higgins case
• 45:36
  Speaker 13: being delayed.
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  Speaker 4: So Lisa Wilkinson's been very very.
• 45:39
  Speaker 13: Quiet, but she's obviously popped up in Cans. She's on
• 45:43
  Speaker 13: the payroll till ten till the end of the year.
• 45:45
  Speaker 13: So not bad if you can get a job where
• 45:47
  Speaker 13: you don't have to go to work but you're still
• 45:49
  Speaker 13: getting paid.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah, exactly, that's a good gig. Thanks for joining us.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Sophie all over it as usual. Sophie is worth it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: You can read her stuff in The Australian. And I
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: want to duck back up the Queensland now a little
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: further south of kens I think to National MP Colin Boyce,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: who we've talked to before about renewable energy projects around Gladston. Colin,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I want to touch base with you because climate energy
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: is clear it is going to be front and center
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: at the next election campaign. We're going to have competing
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: plans and Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi was out there with
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: all the fear mongering and alarmism today the coalition intent
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: on ruining Australia's climate and delivering more natural disasters.
• 46:28
  Speaker 14: There's no evidence that there are more natural disasters. I mean,
• 46:33
  Speaker 14: if people want to take the time to read the
• 46:36
  Speaker 14: latest IPCC report, it clearly says there is absolutely no
• 46:40
  Speaker 14: evidence of these outrageous statements made by the climate zellots.
• 46:45
  Speaker 14: What we're talking about here is developing a better energy policy,
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: and particularly for places like central Queensland, it is quite clear,
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: abundantly clear, that solar panels, wind turbines, batteries and so
• 46:59
  Speaker 14: forth cannot supply enough reliable power to keep industries like
• 47:03
  Speaker 14: the lament or industry going. So people are going to
• 47:06
  Speaker 14: have to sit down and understand this. Do you want
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: to have a manufacturing and heavy industry based in Australia
• 47:12
  Speaker 14: or do you not? And that is the reality of
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: the situation that we're in right now.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's very important, but they need to
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: ask the question also do they want to have affordable
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: reliable power at their homes because we won't have that either.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: You're getting to this point of.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: The fact that the renewables plus storage model just cannot work.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: It's not worked anywhere, yet they're pretending it does work.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I know you've been involved in a program for the
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: ABC four Corners looking at some of the battles to
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: put in wind farms around the country, some of the
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: battles with environmentalists and landholders. Is there any suggestion you
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: got from talking to the ABC that they're starting to
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: wake up to all the environmental problems and engineering problems
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: of the renewables model.
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: No, we are the ABC and particularly four corners. It's
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: nothing more than a cheer scud for extreme left politics.
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: I'm a climate change DENI that's what they say. They
• 48:08
  Speaker 14: will not play the ball. They always play the man.
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: I'll put it on the record. I believe in climate change.
• 48:15
  Speaker 14: The climate is changing, and it has changed for billions
• 48:18
  Speaker 14: of years, and it will continue to change.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: The big question, though, is I think there's a lot
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: of denial of engineering and reality and economics. He and
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the question is the whole world would embrace renewables if
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: it could work, But it's not worked anywhere, a renewables
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: plus storage model. Why won't we Why won't people face
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: those facts.
• 48:42
  Speaker 14: Well, that's what we're trying to do in terms of
• 48:44
  Speaker 14: the coalition policy. In terms of energy, we are trying
• 48:48
  Speaker 14: to develop a nuclear option. If you have a look
• 48:52
  Speaker 14: around the world, this path to net zero by twenty
• 48:57
  Speaker 14: fifty must contain a nuclear option, and that is what
• 49:01
  Speaker 14: is happening around the world. In many economies around the world,
• 49:04
  Speaker 14: particularly Germany and places like that, you see that they
• 49:08
  Speaker 14: simply cannot rely on solar panels, wind turbines and batteries.
• 49:12
  Speaker 14: It is just so unreliable. It will not allow for
• 49:16
  Speaker 14: industry to exist in its current form here in Australia,
• 49:20
  Speaker 14: particularly at Gladstone in the electorate to Flynn, which represent
• 49:24
  Speaker 14: heavy industry, the learner sector, the cement sector, the gas industry,
• 49:30
  Speaker 14: the coal in industry and so forth. How are you
• 49:32
  Speaker 14: going to keep the electric trains going?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: How it allaglines doesn't add up? You know it doesn't
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: add up. Colin.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, so I appreciate your input.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Colin Boyce, their national MP live there from Queensland. Thanks
• 49:45
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• 49:47
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• 49:52
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• 50:05
  Speaker 8: Mm hmm.