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Episode 230: The problem with SKATE. · WASD and Beyond

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Nick. Welcome to WASD and beyond.
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it, Noah. Yes.
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I would ask how your week's been but I already know we talked
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yesterday but South Park, big thumbs up.
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Really good. I think it didn't.
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I think a lot of people had some really rocket.
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We're not going to. We don't need to get too crazy.
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Weeds of it. It just came out.
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Well, no, not this week. What people thought maybe they
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were going to do. Oh yeah.
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I mean, there was a lot of things up in the air that they
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could have done, but I think they did the right thing for
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sure. I don't think they needed to to
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do that thing. No, I and I, I don't think they
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would. I think at a certain point it
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would be just kind of distasteful, especially with all
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the other, you know, the stuff going on.
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But they. They they bitch that Brandon
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Carr though. They did.
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And that was good. He's got no ankles.
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Dude, he's got weak bitch ankles is what is what?
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Yeah, yeah. He's got weak ankles.
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Yeah, very good. So.
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But you know, that's not what we're here to talk about, no.
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No, I, we're gonna talk about a game that I think a lot of us
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grew up with. I was a teenager when the first
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one came out. So I, I was playing a lot of
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Tony Hawk at the time and then resorted into this game when I
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first saw it. So I was like, oh, this is like
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what the big kids play, right? This is the big hard game.
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And like, if you're going to play a Skate game, you're going
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to play Skate if you want to play the actual experience.
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So we're going to talk about the new release of Skate.
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I'm more so want to start out with though, because again, I
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I've always loved skateboarding. I've loved the skating culture,
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I've loved the games. I've always loved Tony Hawk
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games. Tony Hawk Underground are some
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of my favorites, is one of my favorite series.
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But I'm really curious how you got into skate.
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Yeah, so I skateboarded when I was younger.
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I was, I did it for like a handful of years, just like
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every day in the summer. We just like go skate at the
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local skate park. And so I was sort of into it in
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life and I never played like I really never played any of the
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Tony Hawk style games. Like I definitely did play some
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of them on my friends GameCube at the time.
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And then I remember seeing I so without knowing it, I played
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Skate like the original Skate on my iPad when I was a kid and I
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didn't really know what it was, but it was more like a
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simulation skateboarding game and it was really like low
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quality graphics. But I played so much of it and I
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like have all that time kind of burned into my head.
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And then Skate 2, I think kind of I skipped over it.
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I just didn't hear about it. And then Skate 3, I saw some
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achievement Hunter videos where they were doing like the longest
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grind or like here's where you can go to do the biggest jump in
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the game. Or the gaps that people were
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trying. To pull off the big gaps or
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something and then I was like I had an Xbox 360 and I was like I
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got to go get this game and I asked my dad to take me to the
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store and I remember this was crazy.
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I don't know if it was like an open box.
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I have to, I mean I I have the game still and it's still get
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some use in my 360 sometimes, but I went there and I remember
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it only being like 15 bucks and at the time it was like new so I
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don't remember really. I wonder.
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If you got it used. I might have gotten it used, but
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it wasn't. It didn't have any saves on it.
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That's why I think it might not have been used, but whatever.
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It's like GameStop. I know the exact GameStop where
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I got it because it was also like the only GameStop.
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But I remember I got it. None of my friends had it.
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And then I feel like the day that I bought it, everybody else
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bought it because then all of a sudden like everybody was
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playing skate. And I remember the way that like
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I played it was like more realistic and like sort of the
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high flying arcady stuff. But I remember playing with my
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friends online and you would do these like own the spots and
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like competition stuff for just like who can do the get the
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highest score. And I remember in my run I went
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first and I just like, you know, I did like semi realistic
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tricks, like I did a big Superman or a big Christ error
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over a gap or like maybe like a quintuple kickflip or something
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was the craziest trick I would do.
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And then I remember watching my friends go and they were just
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spamming tricks. And then I was like, I was like,
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OK, these people don't, people don't play this the same way I
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do. So I, it was interesting because
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I kind of had to, you kind of have to adapt because like one
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of the like what you're saying, one of the biggest things that
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separates the skate series from the Tony Hawk is like, it's a
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slower paced experience, right? Like you're not quick snapping
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to rails and jumping out of the rails and jumping straight up in
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the air 50 feet. Like you can definitely do stuff
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like that, but it's it's more subdued and more kind of just,
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it's more like it encourages you to take it slow.
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I think that's what drew me to it.
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Like I like I said, I really loved the Underground series.
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I loved all the Tony Hawk games when this came out.
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There was like a level of realism to it that I really
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liked, and there was a level of complication and difficulty that
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I liked. I liked that you would hold the
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controller and actually pump and I like that you when you want to
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do a flip trick, you would you would flick and you would do all
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these awesome things like manual.
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You actually had to like balance with your fingers.
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And like do a manual. Yes, do a manual, yeah great.
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But like that was what separated this game from Tony Hawk for me.
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And I remember the like, for me, like I always thought the
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graphics were sweet in skate. Like I always thought they
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looked a bit more realistic. I thought everything had like a
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level of depth to it that Tony Hawk maybe didn't.
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And cause Tony Hawk was like arcady and fun and you had like
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Bam Margera like with his own like hell skate park and like
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all this cool shit and like hype is going to be so mad.
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Oh like that apes going to be so mad.
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He's going to be so mad. But like, that was Tony Hawk.
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This felt like the big kids play box.
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And I remember being on Xbox Live just playing the shit out
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of it, dude. And I loved skate.
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I loved skate. I fell off.
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Yeah, You know, I I, I think this is a period of time where I
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didn't have a computer anymore. I was 16 and I just moved out
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type shit. And she didn't have a computer
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at this point. So I had my Xbox 360 and I would
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just play the fuck out of Skate and then finally got my computer
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back and I was like, OK, I need to play Half Life, Quake and
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like all of these games, Battlefield and Arma.
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But like something about Skate always stuck with me.
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So when I saw the new one kind of go through a bit of
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development hell it felt like to us.
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Oh, it was. Definitely they had development
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problems. Yeah, I mean, it was cool to see
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some spotlight on it though, because we had the like Game
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Wars or Summer Game Fest trailer where Tim Robinson was talking
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about Skate. He was in the trailer and it
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kind of alludes to like a lot of the themes that we're seeing in
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this new one, which we'll get into in a moment.
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But I'm curious now what you think of Skate now, this new
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Skate which is simply just called Skate.
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Yeah, like you said we had, there were some teases that we
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were going to be getting a new Skate game.
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It took a long time. Like Skate 3 came out a long
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time ago and to my knowledge it was never ported for new Gen.
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consoles. Like it was never ported for the
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Xbox One. I remember when the Xbox One
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came out and they announced they were going to be doing backwards
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compatibility with certain games.
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Skate was not one of them originally, but they added it
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later. So from that time the only way
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to play Skate was on the 360 emulator on the Xbox One.
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And as far as I know that all still works now.
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And I don't know if they've properly ported it to the Xbox
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One, but there was like rumors for a long time.
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I know people really wanted another Skate game.
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Like it was sort of a thing where despite the game ending up
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as a 360 platinum hit, it felt like there was no chance of
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seeing another one for a long time.
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And people were sort of like surrendered to that.
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Like it was just sort of understood that like EA was not
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going to make another Skate game on the same level.
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But then we started seeing stuff like that.
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People like Tim Robinson were involved in promoting it.
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And then more information came out about the game that I think
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that's when people like myself started to worry because we saw
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that it was going to be free to play.
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And then we saw it was going to be like a massively online
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always kind of thing. And how it was like we saw like
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we finally saw it and it was a totally different art style.
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And it looks very like Unreal Engineer, you know, like I don't
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know what it's made in, but it looks very Unreal Engineer, you
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know, very generic. And it like if we're going to
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get like we can get into like all the nitty gritty stuff where
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we talking just like overview. Oh dude, just go for it.
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So it is a game that I'm currently playing.
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I think right now I've got, I'm only like 12 hours in.
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But if you've played the other Skate games, I feel like that
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would be enough time for you to kind of form an opinion over it.
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And that, and I say that because of how limited the game is right
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now. And it's, it's in like early
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access. But the problem with early
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access is it's a, it's a free game or like something usually
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goes into early access and you have to, and you can buy it
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early, but this is a free game. So essentially, because there's
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pretty much no barrier to entry, you can't really say it's early
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access, it's just out. Yeah.
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Just and I think that's it like a greater problem in in gaming
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in general, like that's a greater discussion to be had
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about early access and demos and like play tests and stuff like
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that. But in my mind, with a free
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game, the level of completedness needs to be more when you put it
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out, when you make it available, because even again, even though
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it's it's early access, how is this any different really than
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when it was then if it was just a release?
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It's not 'cause a play, like a play test is free generally.
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Generally you don't have to pay for a play test.
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So is this like essentially a play test before release?
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Are they charging for the cosmetic stuff yet?
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And the season pass? Yeah, yeah.
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The way that well, it is free you don't have to pay to play
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and I trust me, I will get to that because I've been in the
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trenches on TikTok with people arguing about, you know, the the
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qualities of this game. But I'll just say that it it
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feels like a skate game it it is a little bit different.
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The physics are a little bit different, but I think if you've
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played games, if you played Skate, if you played like
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Session, if you played BMX streets, these are systems that
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you're going to be familiar with and you'll be able to fall into
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it. So I would say it just takes a
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little bit of time, but eventually I think the my
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opinion on the controls is that they feel like good and the
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animation is really smooth. There's some tricks that are
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just not in the game. Like you can't dark slide.
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That's kind of weird. Like that's kind of weird.
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I don't really understand that. But the thing I keep having to
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remind myself is that we're in early access and I'm doing big
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air quotes because it feels like, again, because it's a free
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game. Maybe this is just me, I'm
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totally off base, but for me, it's a free game.
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So I feel like the second you make it available, it's
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released. You can't call that early
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access, you know, but I think under the problems and we're we
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got plenty more problems to get into.
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There is a good like skateboarding simulator game
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there. I think the fact that it is
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early access means that it's still actively being worked on
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as if it was unreleased. So I think there's a greater
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emphasis from the team that they're going to be making more
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sweeping changes. You might see a change in like
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the physics engine. You might see a change in the
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visuals of it. So it's kind of A2 sided monster
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there because I'm one side like it's early access, but it's
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free. So it feels like you're getting
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less or it feels like it is just has a narrower scope, but also
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it's early access. So there's lots of potential
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that they're going to make big changes.
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I. Think them putting in the early
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access saves their ass a little bit.
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Yeah, it helps them with the criticisms because they can
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always look back and go. We didn't say it was finished.
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You're downloading a free game and we said it was an early
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access. My issue is the cosmetics and
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all of that being on sale right now, right?
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I think if you're going to allow people into this game in early
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access, if you're going to call it early access, I don't think
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we should be buying shit yet. Yeah, if I don't know, yeah, go
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on. Yeah, 'cause it like you're
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saying we don't know, like we don't know what's going to
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happen on release. I don't know if this game is
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going to get to release. So you releasing this game and
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the the problem with free to play is, yes, it's free to play,
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but there's always a little bit of a it's it's always a bit of a
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jab into your spine, right? It's always like, yeah, it's
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free. Boom, they hook you in and it's
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like, OK. But also if you actually want
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things to enhance your game and to get the real deep meat of the
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game, well, just give us 10 bucks a month.
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Give us 10 bucks, you know, every couple months or pay 50
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bucks and you get all this coin and then you can do this and you
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can spend it on this. You want to go to a new skate
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spot, don't you? You want to learn some new
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tricks, don't you? Got to pay to learn.
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You don't know what's going to happen by the end of the product
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release. That is my issue now.
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As for the game, from what I played, I enjoyed how it felt.
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And yes, as Logan said, before we came here, I was rolling
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around a lot because there's this we took.
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Advantage of the new off board controls.
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And I just launched myself across the map, as in a barrel
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roll. But the actual skating did feel
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fun. I had a blast actually skating
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around. It was cool to see Logan and
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Noah when that was another weird problem.
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Like sometimes when I was too close to you guys, I couldn't
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see you guys. So I, that's one of the big
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things when I was thinking of stuff as like, I, I don't know
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if I want to complain about the like, I don't know what you
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would call that. Is that like the net code being
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bad, like not being able to see your friends fluidly?
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That I think is like, that's a server thing.
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The servers are clearly struggling because there's
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constantly a login queue. Russ had a million player
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weight, yeah. A million players, which it is
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what it is like I think a lot of play tests and early access
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stuff has that problem. But like when you're in it, it
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does feel good to skate like it. It's cool to watch your friends
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when it is smooth. I think one of the biggest
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things for me like that was sort of dulling that experience even
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more is the fact that there's no key framing in the replay
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editor. What like.
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Why? Like dark sliding, why is it
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just feels? It's just, it's incomplete if
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that's not there, but it's early access, so.
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The game's art style. I feel like I'm a SIM character
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skating. Everybody's saying that,
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everybody. Issue with that, I do too much
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issue with that because like I got right after this, I have
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another complaint again, I played skate because it was the
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real game. This was the big boy skate game,
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you know? So then I load this one up, I'm
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I'm pumped. It's it's out.
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We're all playing it. I'm pumped to hop in with you
21:06
guys. Actually, I remember I just got
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done recording with Brody and I hopped on back over and we
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played skate and I was I loaded up and I'm like, what is this
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meth head looking character right now?
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And like the choices were shit because then again, they lure
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you in there like you want your guy to look dope.
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You got to get the cosmetics and I'm like, motherfuckers, I
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already see the trap. So like that pissed me off
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immediately because again, it's a free to play early access game
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so to see money being actually taken I go that's ridiculous.
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Unless you're openly saying we are using this money for
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development which you are owned by EA.
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Well, you're not. I mean, there's a lot of
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insinuations about the whole free to play thing.
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I don't. Think I'd be released?
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No, you don't think so. I think, I think they were going
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to fucking. I think they were going to can
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it and then they were like. They had to show that there was
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interest. No, I think they were going to
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can the game at one point and then now they've gone this a la
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Fortnite but skating game and they're.
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Like watch people wilt the. Nostalgia, because the nostalgia
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is what brought me in. I went Oh my God, I haven't
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played skate in fucking 12 years.
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This is the new one. It's free.
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I'm going to download this and play this.
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I immediately that nostalgia hook left though I went.
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This art style is shit. What is this?
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You know, I think to be honest, like to not to be true, like
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dramatic, but I think this game is a victim of the current like
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gaming climate. You know, like games have to
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always be making money, always be bringing in revenue,
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otherwise what's the point? And that's a big problem there.
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And sometimes I feel like games development, we know takes
23:04
longer than it used to because games are more ambitious than
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they used to be. And I feel like games might
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reach a certain point of development where the the
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bigwigs start looking around and be like, well, they're still not
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done. It's not making any money.
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We need this to make more money because it's over gone though,
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like budget or something. So you get what is essentially
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1/2 baked product with some cosmetics and some like cool
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items that you can get and some cool stuff, but they're always
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dangling a carrot. Oh, look what you could get.
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You don't you want, you could always get more.
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And some people were saying like, oh, just don't like just
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ignore it. Just don't buy anything.
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You literally have to scroll past them to get to the quote.
23:47
UN quote free stuff. I and I refuse to pay real money
23:52
for essentials to a board to make a board better.
23:55
I will not pay for fucking bearings.
23:57
Virtual bearings. I will not pay for virtual.
24:00
Well, no, nothing. I don't think anything would
24:01
ever actually affect the gameplay in terms of like.
24:06
You don't know EA did it with Star Wars.
24:08
Yeah. The card bullshit and it's.
24:10
Like, well, they but they also fixed that.
24:12
They also fixed that. So I'm not, I'm not writing them
24:15
off, but this is like, yeah, I'm not writing this off as like
24:18
this is garbage and it's never going to be good.
24:20
I just think and and we seem like that card thing that you
24:25
mentioned with Star Wars, that was a huge correction that you
24:28
made and it was a really good move on their part.
24:31
And they got a lot of kudos for that because they didn't have
24:35
to. They could have just been like,
24:36
Nope, that's how it is. But they they really improved
24:40
that. So I'm not, I don't think
24:41
they're incapable of that. And I believe that the people
24:44
working on this are fans of the original.
24:47
I just I believe. That sometimes it doesn't come
24:49
across. I believe it too and the my the
24:52
my problem is I think it comes from higher up, but I have hope
24:58
for this game. The other thing I will say is no
25:03
X-ray. No, X-ray mode is insane, yeah.
25:08
I really am confused. Or the shot or the the the
25:12
medicine. Now the skaters can't get hurt
25:14
and all. I don't need that story.
25:16
OK, I don't need that. I need this X-ray.
25:19
The X-ray mode is sweet. Is Thrasher still around like as
25:23
a as a magazine? Yeah.
25:26
I, I feel like if they had even wanted to continue like Hall of
25:30
Meat, they all they would have had to do was ask, right?
25:36
Like I'm sure everybody at Thrasher, maybe I could be
25:39
wrong, maybe they did didn't want to have their name on it
25:43
because of the clips where they seen where people figured out
25:45
how to break every single bone in one head.
25:48
Which is hilarious. Which is like the thing you
25:50
always strive for and Hall of Meat I think was the game mode I
25:55
played the most online. It's someone that people love
25:57
the most and they've taken out Hall of Meat for this like Goat
26:03
simulator ragdoll mini game. And I don't like it.
26:07
Just doesn't feel faithful to the original and I know we're
26:11
dogging on a lot like it is a game that I'm going to keep
26:13
playing. This is something Logan said.
26:17
And it's something that I think is very true and a lot of people
26:20
are feeling this like we're going to keep playing it because
26:24
it's the only time that we've been ever able to play a Skate
26:28
game on PC with third party or with first party software.
26:34
Yes. And that's the reason I'm going
26:36
to keep playing it and for the hope that it'll get better and
26:40
that they can make these changes.
26:42
But right now, just like it just feels like there's a long way to
26:46
go. And releasing it now, like in a
26:52
way I'm glad they did because it does feel like it's still kind
26:55
of early on in the development. Like this map doesn't feel
27:00
final, right? At least I really hope it isn't.
27:03
But you can see the bones of what could be a good game here.
27:10
I just hope that they can see that too and that they listen to
27:14
the community and they really make some structural changes to
27:18
make this a better game. And if, if, I mean, I don't
27:23
think, I don't necessarily think this would happen, but if they
27:25
decide that actually for full release this is going to cost
27:29
$40 or something, I think that people are would be way happier
27:35
with that. Then to continue on dangling
27:39
these, the carrot of like, do you want like actual branded
27:44
merch where you're going to have to pay real money for that?
27:47
I would much rather pay $2540 for a Skate game in which I can
27:53
load up with my friends and just do sick fucking tricks.
27:58
Do some get? Clips.
28:00
Get clips, get fucking, you know, earn in game currency by
28:04
doing just awesome shit, doing challenges, just hopping on it's
28:08
random times with the entire community and like doing like,
28:11
why couldn't we do like something where there's like a
28:13
big downhill day, like map, you know, there's a big downhill
28:17
race and there needs to be stuff like that in order to keep this
28:20
game going and active. You you they're going to need
28:22
to. So I I wouldn't mind that, but
28:25
now I think is them. They really need to be as honest
28:29
as they can with the project. This thing's been in development
28:33
hell and for it to be released as it is like this, it's
28:36
worrisome. It is worrisome.
28:38
It's it's it's telling of where it's been and it is fun.
28:43
That's the thing it behind. You're exactly right.
28:46
This game's bones, structurally, this is there, like this game is
28:51
there, but we really need to see them grow it and really nurture
28:56
this game and take care of this game and also listen to the
28:59
players. Listen to people like Noah
29:01
myself, not you, not really me, but like Noah, Logan, Alex,
29:05
There's so many people that I know who are like, no, dude,
29:08
this game is fine, but and that's not there's.
29:11
A lot of potential. There's a lot of potential
29:14
there. And I think, you know, the live
29:16
service thing, well, I think is terrible and is very predatory
29:21
and, and companies should stop doing it, but they never will
29:24
because gamers can't control themself.
29:27
And I think too many people are just willing to continue buying
29:32
the thing because it's because it's dangling keys in front of
29:35
you. But the live service thing, like
29:39
if they can build a good base game, having that live service
29:43
type of thing where there can be seasonal events, like maybe the
29:47
month of of July is the hill bombing month.
29:50
And then oh, in September, looks like the pro circuit is here.
29:53
And then you can have like you know, you can in the stadium,
29:57
you can build out like a park that's has special events in it.
30:00
There's there's a lot of bump the mic.
30:02
There's a lot of great options here and great potential.
30:07
I just really hope that they jump on it.
30:10
I hope they see as much as we're seeing it, Yeah.
30:13
Like as players, right? Like because I, I don't want a
30:16
Skate game to fail. I sound bitter and I sound old
30:21
and irritated. But when I load into a game and
30:25
it's like it pulsate your nostalgia and then I really get
30:28
to it and I'm like, something doesn't fucking feel right.
30:32
Like at all. That bums me out and I'm like
30:35
sitting there like damn dude. Like what is it about this
30:38
fucking game that just is not really grabbing me because it's
30:41
a skate game? I love this franchise.
30:43
I love skateboarding games. So what is it here?
30:47
And I know it's definitely the art style.
30:49
I know it's the, the pay option for a lot of shit.
30:56
I, I, I, you know, microtransactions, I know it's
30:59
all that shit that bothers me. But I really think that the end
31:02
of the tunnel, if they get there and they make the adjustments
31:06
and changes they need to make with this game for it to
31:09
survive, we have a good game on our hands if it gets there.
31:14
So that is, those are my thoughts on Skate.
31:19
It's fine for right now. Yeah, I'm, I'm definitely in the
31:23
camp of like, if this is just, you know, if this is just for
31:27
now, if this is like what they're giving us now and
31:31
there's there's more to come and it's more Skate 3 where it's
31:34
more of a like there is a story, there's a more fleshed out
31:38
environment. Because I really feel like this
31:41
can't possibly be the final map. I think this is more of a test
31:46
map, although there is an actual test map that was in the play
31:50
tests and people are asking for that map because I think it had
31:54
some good stuff on it from what I could hear.
31:56
But like I said, I just think there's a lot of potential as a
32:03
skate if if this was released as a skateboarding simulator,
32:07
physics engine test. Incredible.
32:10
They would have then knock it out of the park.
32:13
Like it looks fluid, the animations look good.
32:18
The art style, it's not great, but you can kind of settle into
32:22
it in the right. With the right blend of this and
32:27
more realistic stuff, it can be really good.
32:29
Just look at the most recent Need for Speed if you want an
32:32
example of that, of a blending of the animation style that
32:35
looks really good. I think they can do it.
32:38
I think this team, you know, from what they say, they're very
32:43
passionate about the franchise. I think they're probably most,
32:47
if not all of them are real fans.
32:49
And I just hope that they can flesh it out the way that I
32:54
think people are hoping for and and the way I think people like
32:58
deserve, you know, not to sound entitled.
33:02
It's just like it's a passionate fan base and they're being, some
33:07
of them are being very critical because it's a it's a thing that
33:10
we care about a lot. You need to be critical with
33:14
games like this that you wait so long for and they come out and
33:18
you're like, yeah, wait a minute.
33:20
It's like, if you know a game that I've been waiting for a
33:23
long time on were to come out and it was a fucking RTS, I'd be
33:27
like, stop. Yeah, that's one of those
33:29
things. It's like.
33:30
We're not doing that. You know, following an up up
33:34
your previous game is sometimes I think it's very scary for
33:38
developers. Oh, it's daunting.
33:40
I I, I got to imagine it's daunting, especially when it's
33:42
as loved as the series is. Yeah, and the series is very
33:46
loved, so. That's all.
33:49
I'm hopeful. If I if to sum it up, there's a
33:53
lot of problems now, but I'm hopeful.
33:56
I believe in this team. I believe in, you know, they get
34:02
dogged on a lot, but I, I believe in EA for this.
34:04
I think they can pull this off. I just think they need to really
34:10
commit. They need to really commit to
34:11
it, but I believe in them. I think they could do it.
34:15
Yeah, they need to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
34:16
They need to see that. Just keep going forward.
34:19
Fix the things that people are really pissed off about that are
34:23
valid and fair. Don't give in, but you need to
34:25
listen. Now's the.
34:27
Time Don't give in to too much pressure, but also listen to
34:30
what people say. Like you have to because if not
34:33
then people are going to go OK well then fuck you.
34:36
They're just, they're just going to move, move on.
34:39
And the attention span is so low.
34:44
So I understand you have to Jingle, you have to Jingle the
34:47
keys a little bit. And I think if you just build
34:50
something that is long lasting that has the potential, you can
34:54
use the best aspects of the live service game while also having
34:59
it be its own thing that stands by itself.
35:03
And also remove that freaking anti cheat thing.
35:05
Because right now, that's the only thing that keeps it from
35:07
working on Linux, which means it doesn't work on the Steam Deck.
35:11
That's trash. Yeah, they need to fix that.
35:13
Just cut that. Just cut that like we don't need
35:15
that. Just remove that.
35:16
Actually remove that anti cheat. It's not necessary.
35:21
No, no. Maybe it is, I don't know.
35:24
I don't know what it does just. Use a different one than if it's
35:26
just. You know, I want to play this
35:29
game on the go is all. Don't kneecap your players at
35:32
some point. So all right, that is our skate
35:36
episode. How do you how do you get it?
35:40
No. Well, you got to be critical.
35:41
You have. To be critical, it's just, you
35:43
know, it's all, it's all from a place of like hope.
35:46
And we all want it to be good. So yeah, that's exactly.
35:50
Let us, let us know what you think.
35:52
If you think we're off base on anything, you know, feel free to
35:56
hit that e-mail. What's that?
35:57
E-mail, Nick. It is WASD beyond@gmail.com one
36:02
more time WASDBEY ond@gmail.com. Let us know.
36:08
Let me know if I'm old. Hey, I'm getting better.
36:11
Let me know if I'm becoming old and bitter and just yelling at
36:14
clouds. Let me know if Noah's handsome
36:16
and cheerful about everything, which you are, but also you make
36:21
good points. But yeah, no, let us know what
36:23
you think about Skate, if you've played it.
36:25
Let us know what you think about what we're saying about Skate,
36:28
what you want to see with this game.
36:30
There's a lot that could grow from this game.
36:32
And give us give us your best theories like what would you,
36:35
what is your ideal skate for? Yeah, yeah.
36:40
So do that. Let us know.
36:44
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37:11
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37:14
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37:18
Oh, I will say it anyway.