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The Michigan Scandal Takes Another Major Turn · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning for Saturday, November eighteenth. I'm your host,
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  Tom Moore. The Minnesota game is today, the game against Michigan in seven
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  days. If you have looked on your podcast app and thought, wow,
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  that's weird, the runtime for this show has to definitely be wrong. They
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  must have screwed something up. No, no, this is two and a
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  half hours and here's why. On Friday afternoon, when the news broke that
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  Michigan had fired linebackers coach Chris Partridge in relation to the whole Connor Stallion's mess
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  and ongoing scandal, Tony Gerdiman and I jumped on YouTube live to just talk
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  about it for a little while, and we ended up talking and talking and
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  talking and talking, and we have sort of come to understand that this is
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  kind of the only thing that most people are really interested in right now.
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  We will talk about the Ohio State Minnesota game a little bit on the live
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  pre game show that we do a couple hours before the start of the game.
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  That'll come out two hours before kick you off around two o'clock in the
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  afternoon, So you want to hear us talk a little bit about the Ohis
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  date Minnesota game preview that that'll be on YouTube dot com slash Bucket Huddle but
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  two o'clock on Saturday. But for now, here is a very, very
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  very deep dive on the latest developments in the Michigan scandal and the firing of
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  linebackers coach Chris Partridge. Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast.
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  I am Tony Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom. How's it
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  going well. Our editorial calendar keeps changing based on things that happen with about
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  five minutes of notice, So I'm great. How are you good? I
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  mean, this is what happens when you live life on alert all the time.
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  As long as you stay ready, Tom, you never have to get
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  ready. And we've been staying ready, and here we are. What's going
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  on? Why? Why are we here? It feels like we are living
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  our life the podcasting equivalent of a quarter mile at a time, because that
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  is about how long we have, how long we go between emergency shows,
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  Like I made that emergency show graphic a couple weeks ago with like, oh,
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  it'll be funny for me to use this once, and it's like this
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  is going up like three times a week at this point. So the latest
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  bit of exciting news coming out of anarbur Michigan a statement from Michigan athletic Director
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  Ward Manual. Effective today, Chris Partridge, who is the Michigan linebackers coach,
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  has been relieved of his duties as a member of the Michigan football staff.
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  Rick Mentor, who is a former University of Cincinnati head coach in the
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  early nineties, longtime college football coach and the father of Michigan defensive coordinator Jesse
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  Minter, will serve as the team's linebackers coach for the next two games.
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  This comes one day after Michigan announced that they were going to sort of be
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  waving the white flag on the Jim Harbaugh temporary restraining order and then you know,
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  so he would not be coaching the last two the Maryland game the Ohios
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  Day game. So this is two kind of significant pieces of information that have
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  come out just in the last day or so. And there was a report
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  from Ross Dellinger of Sports Illustrated that I think maybe helps put this in some
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  perspective. He said, this is at eleven thirty three am. Michigan leaders
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  were presented new evidence this week in the NCAA's investigation into its advanced scouting scheme.
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  Sources tell Dan wets lend me the materials presumably have altered its approach.
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  Um dropped legal action versus Big Ten. Today it fired assistant Chris Partridge.
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  So yeah, this to me feels very much like as more information is sort
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  of coming out, as the investigation is getting a little further along, it
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  keeps getting bigger, it keeps expanding and impacting more people and getting closer and
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  closer to Jim Harball. You know, you can't spend Chris Parker's as a
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  low level staffer anymore. You know, this is unquestionably extremely bad news for
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  Michigan. Yeah, and it's no longer as just said, there's no longer
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  a one person job, it would seem because why else would he be fired
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  If it's not, Boy, they better hope it's related to this. It's
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  some other thing that is going on, which you know, speculation well will
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  go on until there is some level of forthcoming more than just t well,
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  he's no longer employed here. I do want to know when Michigan into Big
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  Ten agreed with the to move forward with the three game suspension. There's something
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  in that Big Ten said in their statement barring anything new coming about in terms
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  of any on field assistant coach knowing something about this and that could potentially bring
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  more news. I have to assume they knew about the Chris Partridge thing and
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  that this is all maybe like a A you need to get rid of this
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  guy and we will just stick with the plan there. But the statement from
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  the Big Ten, I was looking for it, and I don't have it
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  necessarily right in front of me. But this wouldn't it seem to be the
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  one or more assistant coach coach caveat that the Big Ten would need to revisit
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  more punishment. Well, you know this is sort of reading between the lines
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  of the Dellinger thing. You know that that again, I'm going to read
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  this read this tweet verbatim, and this is from Ross Dellinger from Sports Illustrated,
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  who's been very plugged in on all of this. UH Michigan leaders for
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  presenting new evidence this week in the Incitablaze investigation into its advanced scouting scheme.
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  Sources tell Dan Wetsland me the materials presumably have altered its approach. Youm dropped
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  legal action versus the Big Ten today it fired assistant Chris Partridge, so presented
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  new evidence this week, is not presented new evidence today. So that tells
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  me that, you know, certainly this is suggestive that this was baked into
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  the decision that happened yesterday, because you know, there was sort of an
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  interesting discrepancy. If you go back and listen to the show that Kevin Noon
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  and I did the last Emergency Read podcast Emergency Level show that we did,
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  oh about twenty hours ago, you'll hear us talk about the discrepancy between what
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  the Big Ten said in its statement announcing the decision, what Michigan said in
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  its statement announcing the decision, and Michigan's said quote this morning, the university
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  coach harbor it closed its investigation, and the university and coach Harborugh agreed to
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  accept the three game suspension. It goes on from there, but the conference
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  agreed to close its investigation is the important phrase there. What's interesting is the
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  Big Ten did not say that in its statement, and then Nicole Auerbach right
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  around the same time, Nicole Auerbach from The Athletic, a Michigan graduate who
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  is pretty plugged in on the national level, said this is just a tweet.
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  So this is not directly from the Big Ten, but you know,
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  Big ten will not impose any additional penalties against Michigan unless the NCAA finds slash
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  proves that one or more of Michigan's countable coaches were involved in the Connor Stallion
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  scheme. A league source told me. Now, there's some real interesting terms
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  there, and I'm going to end up having to make a graphic there so
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  we can put this up on the screen so you guys can see it.
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  But there's a couple interesting things there that might conflict with the Ross Dellinger thing,
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  because the Ross Dellinger thing is certainly framed as if this was baked into
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  the decision on Thursday to drop the temporary restrainting order and accept the three game
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  suspension for Harbaugh. I'm going to read it again. The Big Ten will
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  not impose any additional penalties against Michigan unless the NCAA finds slash proofs that one
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  or more of Michigan's countable coaches were involved in the Connors Stallions scheme. A
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  league source told me, So, that's not an additional countable coach and just
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  so just let's back up again, for a minute. Accountable coaches are the
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  head coach and then the ten assistant coaches, who are generally the assistant coaches
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  whose names you know. Your offensive coordinator, your defensive coordinator, your position
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  coaches, your head position coaches, so your quarterback coach, running backs coach,
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  your wide receiver coach, your offensive line coach, your defensive line coach,
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  your linebackers coach. Note Michigan's linebackers coach is the guy who just got
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  fired. And then you know, some teams will have a secondary coach,
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  or a special teams coach or cornerbacks coach, and a safety's coach, depending
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  on how you do it, but those are your ten countable assistants. Chris
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  Partridge is one of Michigan's ten countable assistants, so Big ten will not impose
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  any additional penalties against Michigan unless the n Sate of La Fines Slash proved that
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  one or more of Michigan's can Tople coaches were involved in the Connor Stallion scheme.
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  A League source told me, so, you know, I read the
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  Ross Dellinger thing, and I think you know that that it's probably baked in,
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  But you read that and it's framed. You know, that is not
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  a direct quote from the league. That is not Tony Pettiti going on the
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  record and saying, quote, these words in this order are close quote.
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  There's been a little bit of you know, there's been a lot of people
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  who've taken the paraphrasing of a quote or the off the record thing where you
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  know, Tony Petiti said it was the worst scandal in Big ten history.
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  It's like there was probably some context around that, but everyone's sort of taken
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  that and run with that. So you don't want to take this indirect quote
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  as this is exactly the words in this order, like that's not what that
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  means. But it does seem like there's at least, you know, there's
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  some interesting stuff there in terms of how that was written and how that was
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  you know, how that was presented. And I think we have the answer
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  to that now from the new Dan Wetzel and Ross Ellinger story that just dropped
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  on Yahoo and that Chris Partridge may have been I'll just read the first paragraph
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  here. The NCA presented the University of Michigan with new evidence this week,
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  including that a Michigan booster may have at least partially funded Connor Stallion's advanced scouting
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  operation, and an assistant coach allegedly participated in the destruction of evidence on a
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  computer after the scandal broke, industry insiders. Industry sources told Yahoo Sports the
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  revelations altered Michigan's and Jim Harbaugh's legal approach. So you can do the math
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  on that one that would allow for I think this makes everything work in terms
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  of obviously Chris Partridge being fired, you assume that he was the assistant coach
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  trying to destroy allegedly trying to destroy evidence. But also here says that multiple
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  sources say that Partridge is not alleged at this time of knowing about the advanced
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  outing by Stallions, but acted after the fact to cover up evidence. Sources
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  tell you Who Sports Today. Booster, named in the NCAA report as uncle
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  T helped fund the scheme. Get helped fund the scheme, giving Stallions thousands
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  of dollars for expenses. So this would make all of this work where this
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  would not be an assistant coach knowing about the sign stealing scandal in before you
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  know, as it was going on, only after the fact, and all
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  of the assistants know about it after their fact. Yeah, and you know
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  Tony rather famously. You know, what are the two rules? We learned
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  two rules from the Watergate scandal. You know what. We didn't learn them
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  contemporaneously because we were not alive, but there were two There were two lessons
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  learned from the Watergate scandal. Number one, follow the money. Number two,
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  it's not the crime, it's the cover up. And sometimes it feels
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  like people need to learn that lesson. You know, every generation needs to
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  learn that lesson in its own way. Super chat from Jordan Kapler. Which
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  one of you Jabroni's have been funding spot stallion spy scheme? Uncle T?
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  I can only assume is one of you. You know what, what if
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  it's Uncle Tony PETTITTI what wheels within wheels? Yeah? I you know Uncle
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  T is fast. That's that's such an interesting way to you know that that's
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  like a Miami booster. That's not a Michigan booster. Is you know?
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  Is Uncle T a Ford electrician? Is sort of the next question because we
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  have seen that in the past at Michigan Man So okay, so it's not
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  that he necessarily knew in advance, it's that this was covered up. And
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  so then the question is, okay, what what was what was what was
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  deleted? What was covered up? Because you know that's and again the phrase
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  is acted after the fact, you cover up evidence. So what evidence is
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  being covered up? Because you're not deleting something that doesn't exist, or you
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  know, burning something that doesn't exist, or you know, however this was
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  done, So what evidence was there? And you know, the NC double
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  A. I am not going to be able to quote this chapter and verse
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  off of the top of my head, but you know, if you do
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  not cooperate with an NC DOUBLEA investigation, you are sort of assumed to be
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  guilty. That is sort of one of the NCAA bylaws. So now you
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  have Connor Stallion's resigning. You know, he was initially reported to be fired
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  and then he that got changed to resigned. And if you resign, you're
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  not necessarily required to talk to the NC DOUBLEA. You know, they can
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  slap a ten thousand year show calls on you, but they can't. You
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  know, they can't subpoena you. The NCAA can't subpoena you. So if
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  you resign, I don't believe you are compelled to speak so now you've got
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  him, you know, and that change from fire to resigned, and now
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  you've got Chris Partridge apparently according to this report from Yahoo. And I keep
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  saying Ross Ellinger works at Sports Illustrated. I am aware that people in the
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  media move around he is with Yahoo, not Sports Illustrated. Sorry, Ross,
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  it is you know, for you know, acted after the fact to
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  cover up evidence. Is that's that's concerning. I mean, this gets to
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  the point where if you've you know, first of all, this is now
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  one of the ten countable coaches, So this is now substantially closer to Jim
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  Harball taking an active role to cover this up. You know, Michigan has
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  been very you know, repeatedly talked about how the fact they're cooperating fully with
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  the investigation. Well, if one of your employees is not fully cooperating with
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  the investigation by covering something up, then you're not fully cooperating with the investigation.
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  This, you know, I think everyone's looking at this right now and
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  going, Okay, well, how will this en hacked them on the field
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  the next two weeks? Like, probably not that much, but just in
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  the bigger picture, this feels like another really substantial another really substantial blow to
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  what this case could look like when the NCAA gets it in twenty twenty four
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  or whenever that happens. It's just something new, a new wrinkle, a
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  new connection. Almost every day, at least, let's say, three or
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  four times a week, don't want to say every day. Sometimes the news
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  takes a day off. But now, for the second time this year,
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  you've got the father of a Michigan coach taking over on an interim basis for
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  a suspended or fired coach. You know, Jack Harball was one of the
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  you know, like the the associate types of guys involved. I thinking that
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  one of the first three weeks of the season, obviously Rick Mentor, the
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  father of Jesse Minterter, the defensive coordinator, stepping in there. This is
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  such a bizarre and just not convoluted, but just crowded a season of scandal
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  for Michigan. In this latest thing with Chris Partridge allegedly being involved in destroying
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  evidence, I find it difficult to believe that a position coach, one of
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  the ten coountable coaches, would destroy evidence to protect a low level staffer.
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  Like to me, this feels like larger than that you're protecting something more than
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  some kid, some super fan that is now on staff. Because at this
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  point, like Chris Partridge, Partridge is an established guy who's worked a long
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  time in coaching, high school coaching and believe and then to college coaching,
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  been around Michigan for a while now, and to just you know, try
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  to throw a life lying to somebody by deleting the getting rid of evidence allegedly,
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  I don't see that happening. So it's me that has to be something
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  more there in terms of you're not just doing it for stallions, You're doing
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  it for a larger reason than that. You're protecting something more than are You're
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  trying to avoid this whole thing, doing what you can. Because the longer
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  this goes on, the more and more it gets connected to Michigan's coaching staff.
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  And I one hundred percent believe that Jim Harbaugh could be completely unaware of
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  this. But I don't believe that the coaches on the sideline, the other
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  coaches who are like in the middle of it, in the muck, I
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  don't believe that they would be unaware. Now, proof may never come out
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  about that, and that's fine, and you know, people have gotten away
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  for away with things for decades in college sports, and they will continue to
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  so, you know, have at it. But the more that the stuff
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  comes out, the more that people get implicated, and the less and less
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  it is a loan. Well if a rogue staffer, at some point,
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  rogue staffer becomes rogue staff and I think you also lose the benefit of the
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  doubt at some point, you know, I think you could, you could
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  look at this and three weeks ago say well, you know, right now,
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  there's no proof that there's any link to anyone. And sure, Jim
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  Hart there you know, there's no proof, and the Big ten I think
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  acknowledge that in their statement as well. There's no proof that Jim Harbaugh had
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  any direct knowledge of this at the time. But as you know, you
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  get into now, okay, now you've fired one of your ten countable assistants
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  as a result of again according to the Yahoo report of a you know,
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  covering up information, covering up evidence in the case. At some point you
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  start losing the benefit of the doubt because the NCAA has a rule that we've
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  talked about a bunch of times where the head coach does not get the benefit
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  of doubt in terms of plausible deniability, in terms of what you know you
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  were responsible for the actions of the people below you, whether they report directly
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  or indirectly to you. So the NCAA says, the coach doesn't get the
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  benefit of the doubt if you were inclined to give Jim Harball the benefit of
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  the doubt, as this sort of creeps up the ladder closer to his level.
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  It gets. You know, first of all, it's irrelevant whether he
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  had direct knowledge or not. That's sort of getting paraded as like, you
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  know, this poor guy is wrongly convicted, and it's like the rules say
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  it doesn't really matter, and now you have one of your ten countable assistants
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  actively covering it up, and it's like, well, you know, they
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  didn't do anything wrong. There's nothing you know, if they didn't do anything
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  wrong, there's nothing to cover up. So if you're destroying evidence, then
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  that pretty self evidently means there's something you're covering up. We don't know what
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  that is is that you know? Is that why there were no responsive documents
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  In terms of Connor Stallion's travel expenses submitted to the Freedom of Information Act.
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  I don't know could be is that some emails that were sent between different accounts
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  or you know, that would substantiate it, or texts or something like that.
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  We don't know, We don't know what that constitutes right now. But
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  you're not destroying nothing. You know, you're destroying something that you feel is
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  incriminating. Otherwise there would be no point in destroying it. So, again,
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  assuming the UHO report is right, and you know, Ross Dellinger,
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  I think people would probably perceive as being more on the Big Ten side of
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  reporting here. Dan Wetzel has been more on the Michigan side of reporting here.
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  So if this is a co bylined thing between the two of them,
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  this is not you know, this is not oh mean, old Tony Petiti's
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  out to get us. That's these guys are talking to their sources. And
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  ifs Ellinger is talking to his sources on the Big Ten or non Michigan side
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  of this thing, and Dan Wetzell's talking about this on the Michigan side of
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  things, that's me buy into this report. You know, even more than
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  I do. These guys have been extremely credible. If you look at their
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  track record throughout this, you know, this whole thing, there has not
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  been anything that has come out that was like, oh, that was extremely
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  wrong, Like that was very made up. Like at some point you got
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  to kind of look at the track records of people in reporting this, and
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  if people are constantly reporting wrong stuff, you should probably just ignore, you
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  know, even if what they're reporting coming up matches what you want to have
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  happen, you probably should, you know, take it with a grain of
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  salt maybe, cause there are people who I think are sort of telling people
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  what they want to hear and not following the information as the information goes,
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  and that is a great way to end up looking stupid down the line.
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  Super chat from Todd Shreeve. Does this guarantee victory for Ryan Day? I
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  guess the question would be on the field or off Tony No, And this
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  does not guarantee victory for Ryan Day on the field. And I don't think
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  without a victory on the field, you don't really care about what happens off
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  the field. Obviously you want the on field first. And No, they
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  will still play the game as of now, barring anything up for a scene,
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  barring history repeating itself and Michigan saying no, no, no, we
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  don't want to play, so we'll find out next Saturday whether this you know,
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  how that shakes out. The narratives that can be confirmed on both sides
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  from that game is going to be incredible and the build up is going to
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  be incredible. But this doesn't guarantee anything. I think obviously, losing a
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  position coach, losing a head coach, it creates some issues. And we
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  saw some of those issues come forward last week with some delay of games,
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  some timeouts that needed to be called with Sean Moore being the head coach and
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  a play caller and getting everybody situated. So it does create some issues.
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  So there will be some things that may pop up here and there. I
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  think it's good for them that they have. Michigan has a week to prepare
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  for Io State on field in terms of the coaching thing that they'll be doing
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  with Rick Minter and getting all that stuff done. But he's a longtime coach,
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  he can jump right in there. This is quite a bit different than
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  like Barry Alvarez jumping in for ballprep in a bowl game. So the amount
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  of time is not as great here as it was there. But no,
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  I don't think this guarantees anything. No, it definitely does not. And
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  you know, this is something where this is the best Michigan team we have
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  seen on the field in at decades. Maybe, I mean this is I
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  think this team is better than twenty sixteen, is more well rounded than twenty
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  sixteen. I think you're probably into like nineteen ninety seven range. But you
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  know, and this is yeah, six maybe I mean six O six went
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  out and did not look great in the Rose Bowl against USC, so I
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  you know, I think there's a look. And given how the postseason went
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  for the Big Ten that year, I think the number one versus number two
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  might not hold up long term, but you know, it's it is certainly
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  one of the best Michigan teams we've seen. And this is not the you
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  know, this is an Ohiostate team that has a much better defense than they've
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  had in recent years. But it's also an offense it's not necessarily up to
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  the standards as of this moment, or has not been over the course of
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  the season, not up to the standards of some of the recent Ohio State
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  offenses. So you know, and it's on the road in Michigan and all
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  that. So no, this is absolutely does not guarantee victory for Ohio state.
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  I have seen Michigan people saying that this is all just Ryan Day trying
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  to get the game canceled. I mean, I don't know that that's any
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  stupider than the idea that Michigan's going to go to the SEC. But it's
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  in the neighborhood. And if you're in the neighborhood, that is like the
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  love canal of stupid ideas that have come out this this, you know,
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  this whole last month or so. I mean, it's just it is like
• 24:45
  a super fun site of stupid ideas on that and that is that is definitely
• 24:49
  one of one of them. Super Chef from Wolve fifty eight. How long
• 24:53
  can hire ups and donors put up with the drip drip drip of bad news?
• 24:56
  Eventually self preservation and integrity genes will kick in, right. No,
• 25:02
  No, it's constant denial and then being fed information like oh, don't worry,
• 25:07
  we've got the big guns coming, we've got dossiers, we've got all
• 25:08
  of this stuff. And then you find out on Thursday or whatever that yeah,
• 25:18
  Michigan's gonna go ahead and follow through with a three game suspension, and
• 25:22
  you just looking at the Michigan message boards the meltdown, the feeling of abandonment
• 25:30
  from the university that they were told was going to put up a fight against
• 25:33
  these ridiculous charges. And also tom due process, I mean, where's that
• 25:38
  at? And for Michigan to just agree to all of this without that due
• 25:44
  process, I don't you know, who do you even believe anymore other than
• 25:48
  the people who keep telling you that don't worry, the big guns are coming.
• 25:53
  Yeah, and I have thus far avoided actually google too much about QAnon
• 26:02
  just because I don't want that in my search history. But my understanding is
• 26:07
  that there is something called the storm that is supposed to be coming, and
• 26:11
  that is going to be when someone unleashes the big you know, oh boy,
• 26:15
  they're sitting on all sorts of stuff and this is all going to happen,
• 26:18
  and somehow it's going to involve John F. Kennedy Junior. I'm not
• 26:23
  saying it's the same. But also the idea that Michigan is sitting on this
• 26:27
  dossier off just bombshell information that's going to completely change everything. I mean,
• 26:33
  it's not dissimilar from my understanding of that. So yeah, I think again,
• 26:42
  let's go back to what we talked about earlier. If people have been
• 26:47
  wrong about all of this, and they've been telling you the things that you
• 26:49
  wanted to hear for weeks and weeks and weeks and it turns out that stuff
• 26:56
  is not true, there are two possibilities. One of them is they're getting
• 27:00
  information from people who are, you know, telling them what they hope happens
• 27:03
  or getting it, you know, or they're just telling you what you want
• 27:07
  to hear because you're going to keep clicking, You're going to keep reloading the
• 27:11
  site or watching the videos or whatever it is. Or they're just lying or
• 27:15
  they're just lying to you. Those are really the two possibilities. I mean,
• 27:19
  I guess there's a third possibility. Maybe there's a massive, a massive
• 27:26
  anti Michigan conspiracy to match the longtime anti Penn State conspiracy, and Tony Pettiti
• 27:32
  is really just out to get the out to get Michigan and it's all because
• 27:36
  he's getting run over by the big bad people at you know, around the
• 27:41
  league. I mean, sure, I guess that is theoretically a possibility,
• 27:44
  But you know, when you're evaluating sources of information, I would take into
• 27:49
  account the track record of those sources of information on this story. And if
• 27:53
  people have been like continuously unrepentantly wrong about literally everything, perhaps it's time to
• 28:00
  find a new source of information. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
• 28:04
  Last night, around nine o'clock, I sent out a poll on Twitter
• 28:08
  and I just retweeted it and here it is, Michigan fans, is there
• 28:12
  any part of you that is concerned about the future of the program and the
• 28:17
  looming NCAA investigation. The four options to vote on were Yes, I am
• 28:22
  concerned, Nope, I'm focused on twenty twenty three, No, JFK Junior
• 28:27
  has a dossier, and the fourth one, I'm rubber necking. So that
• 28:32
  was just people if they have For the non Michigan fans, they just want
• 28:34
  to vote and see where the stats are. So right now, thirty four
• 28:38
  point seven percent of Michigan fans are concerned to twenty eight percent who are not,
• 28:45
  And that is surprising to me. I don't know if that's Ohio State
• 28:48
  fans voting on that thirty seven percent of the poll was people rubber necking.
• 28:52
  But from what I've seen the lack of concern from Michigan fans in terms of
• 28:56
  what this ultimately means and what this ultimate going to do to the program has
• 29:02
  been kind of surprising because just going back to the Maurice clarette thing, the
• 29:07
  tattoo thing, there was there was not this steadfast, we are in the
• 29:14
  right type of thing from Ohio State fans. They were like, we are,
• 29:17
  We're going to get blasted, And I've not seen that really from the
• 29:19
  Michigan side of things. Yeah, well, I think you've been kind of
• 29:23
  getting fed a steady dose of this is a nothing burger. How many times
• 29:27
  have you seen the phrase this is a nothing burger? How many times have
• 29:30
  you seen the phrase this is just Ohio State is scared. How many times
• 29:33
  have you seen you know, cope hard, or how many times like this
• 29:37
  is this is just getting presented as if there's nothing there. There's not you
• 29:42
  know, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. There's there's nothing
• 29:47
  there. And I think as this has kind of continued to go on,
• 29:52
  I think people are starting to sort of figure out that, hey, there
• 29:57
  might actually be something behind this, There might actually be some substance to this.
• 30:02
  I don't think that everyone has figured it out. I've read some people
• 30:06
  of some note who are still sticking their fingers in their ears and whistling and
• 30:12
  saying that, you know, I'm going to hide under the covers and then
• 30:15
  the monsters can't get me. Okay, I mean that's certainly okay, that
• 30:19
  is a choice you can make. But then when you later try and tell
• 30:23
  us this is a big you know, this is I wasn't wrong. This
• 30:26
  is just all a big conspiracy, Like I don't you know, I would
• 30:30
  certainly hope that twenty eight percent or whatever of Michigan fans are not actually buying
• 30:36
  that hopefully, you know, I would. I would guess that at some
• 30:37
  point you're in the I don't know what the JFK junior percentage was. I
• 30:41
  wasn't adding up those numbers. In my head. It sounds like it was
• 30:44
  probably fairly small. I think you're going to have people who are I think
• 30:51
  I think people are starting to really like get it now. Between the Harball
• 30:53
  thing on Thursday and now this, I think people are starting to see like,
• 31:00
  oh, those guys. You know, there have been a lot of
• 31:03
  people doing good reporting on this, but you know, the people who are
• 31:07
  doing the reporting on this are not doing this out of you know, spite,
• 31:11
  They're not making this up. It's like, this is this is how
• 31:15
  this is. You know, this is how this is actually going right now,
• 31:17
  and you're seeing I have found that the number of you know, people
• 31:22
  were preating the same five answers in my Twitter replies like the ones I mentioned
• 31:29
  before, and you know this is in person scouting in the NCAA said itself,
• 31:33
  Oh, this is a minimal advantage whatever. The number of those people
• 31:37
  seems to be shrinking at this point and seems to be turning more and more
• 31:41
  into like one follower obvious burner accounts. So I think people are starting to
• 31:48
  figure it out. We've got a couple more super chats. We got to
• 31:51
  get through B and B Graphics, says Any any further info on US Integrity's
• 31:55
  involvement. Do you want to explain what US Integrity is. Yeah, Integrity
• 32:00
  is an organization that just monitors and make sure that there are no irregularities in
• 32:07
  the gambling sports gambling arena. Things like that, people report stuff to them,
• 32:14
  They monitor things, They get involved when there are questions about stuff like
• 32:17
  that happening, fairness, equity everything, keeping everything above board, stuff like
• 32:23
  that. I have not heard anything new since the Big Ten mentioned that they
• 32:27
  had reached out to US Integrity and I don't know that that necessarily, I
• 32:30
  don't know how many people noticed that or what that meant or understood what it
• 32:36
  meant, and really there may be some we don't necessarily know exactly what that
• 32:40
  meant, because there was clearly concern about fairness and equity in terms of contests
• 32:47
  going on when the Michigan coaching staff could have conceivably had more information than they
• 32:54
  should have. So you alerted, They alerted Michigan State, they alerted the
• 32:58
  rest of the Michigan opponent. It's this year. They also alerted US Integrity,
• 33:01
  and then since then we really haven't heard anything from the Big Ten.
• 33:06
  There. There are a ton of rumors out there, but that's what makes
• 33:08
  twitter, uh terrible and great and just depending on what you're looking for.
• 33:15
  So no, nothing new that I have seen from US Integrity, and I'll
• 33:19
  be interested to see if something obviously comes out of that, because that is
• 33:23
  that would not be great news for Michigan if something more comes from that angle.
• 33:28
  Yeah, and that's that's a an organization that probably has more investigative power
• 33:32
  than the NC douale A does. And so that's you know, that's where
• 33:37
  you get got is when someone with more, you know, because the n
• 33:39
  C douable A can come and you know, eventually you figure out that the
• 33:44
  n C doua A cops are like Barney Fife, and it's like, oh,
• 33:45
  they're going to pull the bullet out of my pocket. Don't make me
• 33:49
  pull the bullet out of my pocket. Like there there are cops with actual
• 33:52
  bullets who uh you know, may end up looking into this, and that's
• 33:55
  that's where you get into bigger issues. Superchach from CW I think that nothing
• 34:00
  burger just caught fire on the grill. Don't put water on it. You
• 34:02
  want to cover the you know you don't. You don't put water in a
• 34:05
  grease fire. Everyone there you go, there's there's your life hack for the
• 34:07
  day. Do not put water in a grease fire. Cover cover it with
• 34:10
  a pot lid. What was the was the hearing today going to be water
• 34:15
  on a grease fire? Perhaps? And so maybe I was like, you
• 34:17
  know what, let's just uh quick at the baking Sota type of thing.
• 34:22
  Yeah, it's that's an interesting question because I think there were a couple of
• 34:27
  reasons why I wonder if that hearing was going to go through even if the
• 34:31
  partridge stuff had not come out. Again, we're sort of putting pieces together
• 34:37
  in this puzzle right now, and assuming this is all as is. As
• 34:39
  has been reported, Michigan did not want to go through discovery. I don't
• 34:45
  think uh and Michigan probably also did not want people testifying under oath. That
• 34:50
  was something that we talked about yesterday on the show with Kevin, where you
• 34:54
  know, you get into court and then you're you know, then you're testifying
• 34:59
  under oath, and then there's you know, real consequences beyond just NCAA consequences,
• 35:05
  and when you get into discovery, that's when who knows what gets found
• 35:08
  at that point. So there's a lot there that could have made that a
• 35:14
  real potential grease fire for Michigan. So they have avoided that. That's that
• 35:17
  is positive for them, but it is things continue to get not better from
• 35:23
  Michigan. I do want to I was trying to remember where I had seen
• 35:28
  this, and I figured it out. This is a story from October twenty
• 35:31
  fifth, which boy seems like a long long time ago. This is from
• 35:37
  Richard Johnson as Sports Illustrated. We've talked about this before just in terms of
• 35:39
  understanding where stories are coming from his stuff has generally felt like it's been sourced
• 35:44
  more from the Michigan side of things, and he is citing texts from Connor
• 35:51
  Stallions. It says it did not take long take Connor Stallions long into the
• 35:55
  text conversation to start boasting about his connections to the Michigan football team. Quote,
• 36:00
  I'm close with the whole staff, he wrote. Particularly he said he
• 36:04
  quote became close with CP and Jay Harb's close quote, apparently referring to current
• 36:09
  linebackers coach Chris Partridge and running backs and assistant special teams coach Jay Harbaugh,
• 36:14
  who is the son of head coach Jim Harbaugh. So you know, that's
• 36:20
  at least interesting that you know that they had been linked in reporting from the
• 36:23
  Michigan side beforehand, and now Chris Partridge has been fired again. According to
• 36:29
  the report from Yahoo. Was you know I've read now from the Ross Dellinger
• 36:35
  Dan Wetzell report and Yahoo. Multiple sources say that Partridge is not alleged to
• 36:37
  this time of knowing about the advanced static scouting by Stallions, but acted after
• 36:42
  the fact to cover up evidence. So you know, that's certainly interesting,
• 36:47
  and you know, if you're wondering, you know, why would he do
• 36:51
  this if there was some kind of a close relationship there, a close friendship
• 36:54
  there. Maybe that's an explanation, but it is certainly you know, I
• 37:00
  mean, it is certainly interesting that those are the two coaches who got mentioned
• 37:05
  in that text on the reporting from the Michigan side, and now one of
• 37:08
  them has been fired. Super Chat from Treasure to Tour. I'm seeing there
• 37:15
  if you want to pull that up, and then we'll talk some more about
• 37:16
  this uncle T thing that I want to address. Right there, we go
• 37:22
  speaking treasure, isn't it uncle T? Just want to throw that out there,
• 37:25
  Okay, just making sure we think we assume we're gonna say no.
• 37:32
  So the Treasure the Tour, super Chat, what's up, Tony, Tom?
• 37:36
  Tony g to me, this is a classic case of whatever is hidden
• 37:38
  in the dark will always come to the light. No matter how much you
• 37:40
  lies, deal or cheat, it eventually all catches up with you. And
• 37:46
  the more that things are being dug up, things are being found. And
• 37:51
  I've seen some voices from the Michigan side say yeah, well you dig up
• 37:54
  any program, you're gonna find stuff, and yeah you will. But some
• 37:59
  of these aren't even decomposing yet that these are live, you know, not
• 38:04
  live, but nearly live. Some of them are alive. And now we're
• 38:07
  getting a little you know, creepy in terms of the analogy there. But
• 38:12
  the thing is this is there are people looking people finding right now on Twitter.
• 38:20
  If you go and you look Uncle T, people are trying to decipher
• 38:22
  who Uncle T is. Now. A bunch of people are suggesting it as
• 38:25
  Tom Brady. I'm going to assume it is not Tom Brady. Uh So,
• 38:30
  let's that would be it's not Tom Brady. I'm just gonna throw that
• 38:34
  out there. And if somebody wants to prove me wrong, if Tom Brady
• 38:36
  wants to prove me wrong on this one and say that it is, go
• 38:38
  ahead. But this is one of those things where I wonder, imagine if
• 38:45
  Jim Harbob truly had no idea that any of this is happening Tom, what
• 38:49
  has each day been like for him when new stuff comes out? Is it?
• 38:54
  Can you buy that he's just being blindsided by this every day? Or
• 39:00
  do you think maybe once you found out that this was happening, now I
• 39:02
  need all of the information. Tell me now what is going on? And
• 39:07
  don't let me be blindsided by this. But then even then, like,
• 39:10
  if you get all that information and you don't take it to somebody, now
• 39:14
  you are complicit. So it's like at this point, like I don't want
• 39:15
  to know anything. We'll let compliance sort it out. Yeah, And based
• 39:24
  on how this has generally been handled, it feels like the overall vibe to
• 39:30
  how this has been handled has been let's just get through this season. Let's
• 39:35
  get this, you know, don't don't hurt anything this season. We'll figure
• 39:38
  it out after the year, Like, let's just get through this and then
• 39:45
  we'll you know, that's that's next year's problem. Like that that's next year
• 39:49
  me's problem. Right now, you know, we want to get through this
• 39:52
  season because this is, as we said, this is the most talented Michigan
• 39:57
  team in decades and has the best chance of they've had to win a national
• 40:00
  championship in probably decades. So that feels like that's sort of what has gotten
• 40:07
  prioritized broadly speaking. Now, there has also been you know, it has
• 40:13
  certainly been suggested and written in places that Jim Harbaugh, you know, don't
• 40:19
  talk to Jim Harball about this stuff. Like as this was going on,
• 40:22
  like you can't and that you're sort of intentionally trying to air gap it where
• 40:27
  you know, an air gap is like you've got a computer and it's not
• 40:30
  on the internet, so therefore you can't get a virus. You're trying to
• 40:34
  air gap it where there's nothing. You know, No one has talked to
• 40:37
  Jim Harball about this. Jim Harbaugh doesn't know. And you keep seeing that,
• 40:40
  get it repeated, even though it doesn't functionally matter from the NCAA's perspective,
• 40:45
  but you're you know that he's been isolated from this and he doesn't know
• 40:47
  and all that, and that can be, you know, any of the
• 40:52
  things you talked about there, It could be he genuinely didn't know. It
• 40:57
  could be Nobody told me, I don't know. I'm not sure. No,
• 41:01
  no, none of this was brought to my attention at any point,
• 41:05
  And everyone else in the office is going, well, we didn't want to.
• 41:09
  There's all of these things are possible. We don't know which of these
• 41:13
  is true. I know which things people are insisting are true. The track
• 41:19
  record of those people continue to not be great, so I, you know,
• 41:22
  continue to sort of wonder how that, you know, will their track
• 41:27
  record on this be great or will it be not so great as it has
• 41:30
  been in other areas. So you just you just provided the perfect analogy essentially
• 41:36
  that Jim Harbaugh operates in airplane mode. Well, and you know what,
• 41:40
  on the plane to Penn State, he didn't know, and when the plane
• 41:44
  landed, someone showed him on his place, so he was literally operating in
• 41:46
  airplane mode. Fun fun fact that has you know, was one of these
• 41:51
  things that got reported that I don't know if everyone saw. Jim Harbaugh is
• 41:53
  planning on flying to to Maryland today with the team and as I guess,
• 41:59
  going to just do the hotel thing again and be a part of the game
• 42:02
  prep on Friday night and whatever Saturday morning or whatever they're going to do.
• 42:06
  And then when they go to the stadium, he's going to not go to
• 42:07
  the stadium, but yeah, he is going to be in airplane mode again.
• 42:12
  This afternoon super chat from Jeff Kissner. I'm just sitting here waiting for
• 42:15
  fourteen bold predictions for the Michigan signs stealing scandal. I gotta tell you,
• 42:20
  yeah, Tony's shaking his head and I have to strong agree there we are
• 42:25
  doing our very best to not get ahead of any of this stuff and try
• 42:30
  to speculate on where this goes. I certainly have some thoughts and some expectations
• 42:36
  on where it could go. But this is you know, this is one
• 42:39
  of those things where you don't want to get ahead of the facts, get
• 42:45
  ahead of the information, because even as stuff is coming out, some stuff
• 42:49
  is changing. There's a like a Stu Mandell tweet on the Live Show on
• 42:53
  Thursday that Stu Mandel tweeted one thing and then later deleted it. And it's
• 42:57
  like generally with this kind of stuff, anything that comes out in the first
• 43:00
  twenty four hours, in any kind of breaking news story, you kind of
• 43:04
  have to look at with a little bit of a jaundicety because it's you know,
• 43:07
  a little bit of you know, a developing situation and people may not
• 43:10
  have complete information and all that kind of stuff. So as always kind of
• 43:16
  wait because you know, look, look at this time yesterday, we did
• 43:20
  not have the Jim Harbaugh a temporary restraining order, you know, white flag
• 43:23
  thing from Michigan. Now twenty four hours later, here we are, We've
• 43:28
  got a lot more additional context into the why behind that. So you know,
• 43:34
  everything, even everything we're saying about the Partridge situation today. Don't this
• 43:39
  is not this is not all gospel. This is just the information as we
• 43:44
  have it right now. That information could continue to change, could continue to
• 43:49
  develop. This does not mean this is the end of this. It does
• 43:52
  not mean you know, it does not mean that that this is all the
• 43:57
  information that's going to come out. This does not mean that this is the
• 43:59
  only coach that could get you fired as a result of this. That you
• 44:02
  could tell me just about anything for three weeks from now and I'd go,
• 44:06
  yeah, I could. I could. I could see that. Just for
• 44:08
  the folks who are watching, if you could hit the thumbs up button,
• 44:12
  that would make make our day. We would appreciate it. Just helps other
• 44:15
  folks find find these shows. A nice thing you can do for half of
• 44:17
  the second that helps us out. Can I just say, Tom, I'm
• 44:22
  gonna have to take umbrage with your assertion. You you called it a white
• 44:25
  flag that Michigan was waving. This was a resolution of pending litigation, and
• 44:31
  I'll remind you of that. To think that Michigan just gave up. No,
• 44:35
  this was an agreement that Michigan would no longer go through with this attempted
• 44:39
  injunction temporary straining order on a three game suspension. So for you to say
• 44:45
  this is Michigan giving up, No, this is them agreeing not to move
• 44:49
  forward with it. So I just want to let the people out there,
• 44:51
  No, I don't. I don't want people to come after you, after
• 44:53
  us for saying something that Michigan gave up on something they did not. They
• 44:58
  just chose not to move forward with it. Totally totally different. Yes,
• 45:02
  they turned around one hundred and eighty degrees and then bravely marched forward. Yeah,
• 45:07
  that's that's the tenor of that. And you know, boy, isn't
• 45:12
  there some interesting new context to that with that reporting from today with the Chris
• 45:16
  Partridge thing that you know, you had these you know, this sort of
• 45:21
  smoke coming out on Thursday from some of the Michigan sites that you know,
• 45:24
  oh boy, something bad is coming and it's involving at least one of the
• 45:28
  assistant coaches, and you know that, and then you had the thing come
• 45:31
  out, You had the thing come out on the Thursday afternoon about the temporary
• 45:37
  restraining order being withdrawn and all that, and this is just such interesting,
• 45:42
  interesting context to sort of understand things a little better. Mike Ferguson wants me
• 45:45
  to read the bylaws, the Big Ten bylaws. It's been a while.
• 45:49
  No, I think we are. I think we're now at the point where
• 45:52
  that has now been resolved to the point where I think, first of all,
• 45:57
  I sure hope everyone understands the Big Ten sportsmanship rules now what was allowed
• 46:00
  and what wasn't with the commissioner and all that. But yeah, I think
• 46:06
  hopefully, hopefully we're done with that for at least the short to medium term.
• 46:09
  I just checked my mentions on Twitter. No, I am not Uncle
• 46:13
  Te either, so thank you for asking. I also don't believe, as
• 46:16
  I've seen in this chat that Uncle T is mister T's brother. They would
• 46:21
  not have the same first name. Think about it. It'll be done.
• 46:27
  Super chat from Jordan Kapler. When will Kevin Noon be fired? Well to
• 46:31
  we're trying to establish how much he has covered up, whether he's destroyed any
• 46:36
  evidence over the last twelve to eighteen months. I am still strongly suspicious that
• 46:42
  he secretly loves Burger King and may have destroyed Burger King receipts and you know,
• 46:46
  napkins and what have you in his car. I can't prove it yet
• 46:52
  I'm just saying, listen, better watch yourself. You better check yourself,
• 46:57
  Kevin Noon, before you wreck yourself, and we could do some bold predictions
• 47:02
  on what happens then with Kevin Noon being fired, I will also say I
• 47:06
  don't ever, he would never. He doesn't need to purposefully destroy evidence.
• 47:10
  He can do it accidentally. And there's a plausible deniability there that you're like,
• 47:14
  well, that could have happened. He could have been walking with his
• 47:19
  laptop and he trips over his dog and his finger hits the delete key and
• 47:22
  then everything is wiped, and you're like, well, that would be the
• 47:25
  third time, so checks out. I got to tell you, I don't
• 47:31
  think I'm in a position to mock or criticize anyone for either tripping or accidentally
• 47:37
  hitting the wrong button at this point. So I am going to simply abstain
• 47:42
  from this conversation. Thank you for thank you for joining us. One thing
• 47:47
  that's interesting is yesterday on Thursday, there was all this talk about Steve Klinkscale,
• 47:54
  who is the secondary coach, deleting his Twitter account and nothing has come
• 48:01
  out as a result of that, and that you know that was presented.
• 48:05
  I saw it. Jeremy Birmingham from now, I'm gonna do the Jerry thing
• 48:10
  where I forget the I forget his outlet from the podcast the Ohistate rival site.
• 48:16
  He tweeted about it, and I'm gonna just pull it up because,
• 48:21
  uh, I want to. I want to make sure I'm reading this the
• 48:24
  way he phrased it. He said, He's tweeted a lot. It turns
• 48:31
  out I'm not really Yeah, I'm not really someone interested in gossip or propagating
• 48:40
  random conspiracy theories. But it does feel unusual for a high ranking coaching staff
• 48:45
  member to have his Twitter account deleted a month before signing day, and that
• 48:49
  was Steve Klinkscale, who is the co d C for Michigan and secondary coach.
• 48:53
  He followed up with this, well, this very well could mean absolutely
• 48:57
  nothing, but it's interesting nonetheless, and this is one of the things that
• 49:01
  we don't know. And you know, when when you had the reporting out
• 49:07
  of Chris Ballas at the Wolverine on Thursday, that you know there was a
• 49:10
  and Michigan assistant who was tied up in this, and then you had Clinkscale
• 49:16
  deleting his Twitter account. You know, there were a lot of people who
• 49:20
  you know drew that line as a very thick, dark line that could not
• 49:24
  be erased. And we don't know now. You know, obviously that was
• 49:30
  not the initial reporting that you know, that Chris Partridge was the one who
• 49:32
  has been fired, not Clee Steve Clinkscale. We don't know if that's just
• 49:36
  a coincidence. We don't know if that's just you know, his account got
• 49:38
  hacked. We don't know any of that stuff. But you know, that's
• 49:42
  just interesting that, you know, all of this different stuff is sort of
• 49:45
  happening all at once. It just it feels like stuff, you know,
• 49:49
  the snowball is starting to roll down hill a little bit at this point.
• 49:52
  And every time, you know, I heard someone on what like Tuesday this
• 49:57
  week talking about the five Boy, it sure is quiet out here, and
• 50:00
  you know, it's like, you know, the bad guys, the you
• 50:05
  know, any anytime there's guards outside of you know, a house or a
• 50:09
  fortress or something like that, and they talk about, how, boy,
• 50:13
  it sure is quiet tonight, Like that's when you know some stuff's about to
• 50:16
  go down. And that was like I saw that and I was like,
• 50:20
  oh boy, that is tempting fate. And boy, the snowball has picked
• 50:23
  up speed ever since that happened on Tuesday or whatever it was this week.
• 50:28
  That's the ot Ohio state message board thing and probably every school's message board when
• 50:32
  around June and July somebody post boys, there has been a quiet summer and
• 50:37
  then boom, here comes sixteen arrests and you know, hostage situation and things
• 50:42
  like that and so on. Back one thing, I want to two things
• 50:46
  I want to touch on with Condor Stallions back then still witting on the Central
• 50:51
  Michigan thing, to come through on what that whole thing was. I saw
• 50:58
  last week. It was presented by so many Michigan voices as he was just
• 51:04
  there as a favor for Central Michigan. They asked him, so he did.
• 51:08
  And then I was like, well, why the spyglasses? If you're
• 51:13
  there for live purposes, what's the point of recording something allegedly if you've got
• 51:20
  those. But also in terms of the resigning versus firing, I still go
• 51:23
  back to the fact that when they fired him and we were in Wisconsin and
• 51:30
  we did a live show, and my statement then was Michigan has fired Kinder
• 51:36
  Stallions, so they are admitting wrongdoing, And like thirty minutes later, it's
• 51:38
  like they've changed it to her resigned a resignation, so as long as he
• 51:43
  resigns, then you know that there's this level of we're not admitting anything just
• 51:50
  yet. We've accepted somebody's resignation. It could mean anything. But if you
• 51:52
  fire somebody, then you're admitting something was done improperly. And it just seemed
• 51:59
  like that. That's why to me, one of the reasons why it was
• 52:02
  changed to a resignation rather than a firing. But that's all neither here nor
• 52:08
  there and everywhere at the same time. And I have seen the folks in
• 52:14
  the comments talking about who Uncle T is, and you know, that's one
• 52:19
  of those things that will let get sorted out like I have I have.
• 52:22
  I was just on Twitter and saw the you know, people drawing the lines
• 52:27
  there, and we'll let that sort itself out before we accuse anyone. But
• 52:30
  you know, if it's if that's something on, you know, if that's
• 52:35
  something on you know, related to someone who's obviously to Michigan boosters, as
• 52:39
  has been reported, so at that point you're getting into, you know,
• 52:44
  all sorts of other other potential directions this whole thing could take. So you
• 52:50
  know, and and I guess it would not be surprising that it's someone who's
• 52:52
  pretty involved with Michigan and involved in supporting the school in order to be someone
• 53:00
  who's motivated to pay money for that kind of thing that, you know,
• 53:04
  for the conter Stallions thing to support him financially. Again, this is all
• 53:07
  sort of related to the Yahoo Sports report from Ross Ellinger and Dan Wetzel,
• 53:13
  who said sources tell Yahoo Sports at a booster named in the NCAA report as
• 53:16
  quote, Uncle Tea helped fund the scheme, giving Stallions thousands of dollars for
• 53:20
  expenses. So you know, this is another one where you don't have to
• 53:23
  go back very far to have you know, prominent people in here, you
• 53:30
  know, telling everyone that it's very self evident that this is just the son
• 53:34
  of a rich family who's self funding all this stuff. And okay, now
• 53:37
  that's not true, and it's just it just kind of keeps spreading, and
• 53:40
  you know, they have they have. We talked about grease fires earlier.
• 53:45
  It feels like there have been several times when you know, the wildlife firefighters
• 53:50
  have cut a fire break and then the fire has jumped that and it keeps
• 53:52
  going and you know, oh it was just this one guy. Okay,
• 53:55
  Well it wasn't just this one guy. The other people knew, okay,
• 53:59
  and it was well, at least it wasn't any no one on the coaching
• 54:00
  staff knew. Well, okay, now you at least have someone who is
• 54:04
  covering up after the fact. According to the Yahoo report, it keeps kind
• 54:07
  of jumping these fire breaks and spreading, and you know that that is the
• 54:12
  point where you really, you really kind of lose control of everything. And
• 54:17
  now that the NCAA is looking into it and knows that there has been some
• 54:22
  kind of an active cover up in Michigan has fired Chris Partridge as a result
• 54:25
  apparently of you know, again acknowledging. Apparently, if you're firing him,
• 54:29
  then you're sort of acknowledging, yes, we are firing him for this cover
• 54:31
  up. Then you're acknowledging there has been a cover up, and that you
• 54:35
  know, subjects you to potentially more penalties, you know, as this process
• 54:39
  kind of continues, Sir, it would be interesting to know how quickly Partridge
• 54:49
  was fired after finding out he allegedly did this. Was it a week,
• 54:55
  was it ten minutes? You know, in terms of was this a like
• 55:01
  a sacrificial lamb to the NCAA or to the Big ten, rather like,
• 55:05
  Okay, well you caught us that sort of thing, or was this I
• 55:08
  would just like to know. I'd be interested in knowing how long they knew
• 55:13
  about this before firing for whatever they fired him for. How long did they
• 55:17
  know about it. The other thing that will eventually come out about this is
• 55:22
  how it all started has nothing to do with actually what is happening. So
• 55:27
  I think people need to remember that because you've got two different You've got so
• 55:30
  many different variations on how this started. You've got the the months ago alex
• 55:37
  ud Staffer thing, You've got the Michigan site saying Ohio State started this.
• 55:45
  It doesn't matter how it started. We are here and evidence is being like,
• 55:50
  don't let, don't let how did this happen? How did this get
• 55:52
  started? Distract people from the fact that this is happening, Like, the
• 55:57
  real crime is what is happening, not how it got started in terms of
• 56:01
  the investigation, and we're not making bold predictions on what's going to happen,
• 56:07
  but you can see the I don't think I don't think it's bold to say
• 56:13
  that the NCAA is going to be pretty stiff here in terms of what they're
• 56:17
  going to be doing eventually, assuming tim there is still an NCAAA to hand
• 56:22
  down a punishment, and assuming there isn't some sixty eighteen breakaway, you know
• 56:29
  at that that is eventually going to happen, But I don't think it's going
• 56:32
  to happen before Michigan gets their day with the NCAA, the due process time
• 56:37
  that they have been asking for. That's all they want, a due process.
• 56:40
  So I would assume they would stick around until they got their due process,
• 56:45
  and if there's something that they did wrong or something that somebody did wrong,
• 56:47
  they will cooperate and go forth. But wherever it began, does it
• 56:57
  really I mean, it's an interesting side note, but it's not the story,
• 57:01
  right, Yeah, this kind of goes where the story goes. And
• 57:06
  I mean we talked about Watergate earlier. That was a you know, a
• 57:10
  bunch of low level staffers tony breaking into a political office and ended up with
• 57:16
  the President of the United States resigning, And you know, that's one of
• 57:20
  those you never you never know where the story is going to go and how
• 57:23
  things are going to kind of develop. And I do think there is a
• 57:25
  point to. You know, anywhere the NCAA goes with a shovel, they're
• 57:30
  going to dig up something that's kind of No one is no one is living
• 57:35
  an absolutely perfect life, which is why it was always interesting when some of
• 57:40
  these same folks who are now telling you that there's you know, this is
• 57:44
  a nothing burger, have been telling you that Michigan. The only problem with
• 57:46
  Michigan is that they've been too pure over all of these years. I think
• 57:50
  that's why you've seen some of the folks take, you know, who are
• 57:53
  not necessarily affiliated with Ohio State or Michigan State or Penn State. You've seen
• 57:58
  some folks take a little bit of extra joy in this because that was always
• 58:01
  kind of transparently nonsense, like no one is running an absolutely pure athletic department
• 58:07
  and also putting up a top five, top ten, top twenty, even
• 58:12
  kind of team. That just doesn't. You can't, you can't use the
• 58:15
  heart of a champion to overcome all of the other stuff. Like that's just
• 58:21
  College sports has forever been the way that it is, and to present otherwise
• 58:24
  has always been kind of silly. So you know, now we've now,
• 58:28
  I think we've sort of dispensed with most dispensed with that for I think most
• 58:31
  people. We're getting close to an hour and had a a request for a
• 58:39
  recap, So do you want to circle back and kind of for folks who
• 58:44
  might be joining us late as the numbers kind of continue to grow. If
• 58:46
  you are are joy just joining us and have not already hit the thumbs up
• 58:51
  button, please do that. Would appreciate that. But just to do you
• 58:53
  want to kind of run us through AI a quick recap of So why are
• 58:59
  we sitting here talking the internet today? Yeah, So Michigan linebacker coach Chris
• 59:04
  Partridge has been fired. Dan Wutsl and Ross Ellinger of Yahoo wrote a story
• 59:12
  about an hour ago in term explaining that one of the reasons that Michigan bowed
• 59:21
  out of their session their court appearance for today was in part because of this
• 59:28
  and that Chris Partridge was alleged to have participated in the destruction of evidence on
• 59:32
  a computer following the counter Stallion's scandal breaking not there's no timeline in terms of
• 59:39
  when that happened, but the NCAA presented evidence to the Big Ten to and
• 59:45
  then that that evidence got presented to Michigan. Apparently and the sentence here is
• 59:51
  the revelations altered Michigan's and Jim Harbrough's legal approach. Boy howdy, and so
• 59:58
  everybody dropped their attempt to you appeal the three game suspension and are now have
• 1:00:04
  accepted it as they did yesterday. But the reasoning, much of the reasoning
• 1:00:07
  additional reasoning for why other than the fact that they were not going to win.
• 1:00:12
  This is a way to say, well, you know, this is
• 1:00:14
  this is further information We're definitely not going to win now. And then the
• 1:00:19
  what Nicole Auerbach saying that this will be the end of the Big Tens punishment
• 1:00:24
  provided no no on field coaches are have been found to have known about the
• 1:00:29
  counter Stallions scandal and the plan the scheme while it was going ongoing. And
• 1:00:35
  the point of one of the points in Dan Wetson and Ross Dellinger stories that
• 1:00:37
  there's no proof at this point that multiple multiple sources say that Partridge is not
• 1:00:43
  alleged at this time of knowing about the advanced scouting by Stallions, but acted
• 1:00:47
  after the fact to cover up the evidence. So that that was part of
• 1:00:51
  the show an hour ago that we were talking about, like how can you
• 1:00:53
  have a coach fired, and you also have the report that's saying nobody else
• 1:00:59
  is going to be there's going to be no further punishment unless a coach is
• 1:01:01
  implicated, and it's like, well, you just fired somebody, but he
• 1:01:06
  was fired for a different reason apparently based on the sources from you, who
• 1:01:08
  fired for destroying evidence, not for knowing about it ahead of time. Jordan
• 1:01:15
  Kaplock chimes in the real crime as the friends we've made along the way,
• 1:01:19
  which I mean, when is that not true? That's that is no notes.
• 1:01:25
  I mean, it's not an arrested development joke like we had someone send
• 1:01:29
  in yesterday. But that's pretty pretty good friends like these who needs criminals?
• 1:01:36
  And just kind of scrolling through the chat, it's interesting to see the people
• 1:01:43
  who are still you know, you can tell who the Ohio State people are
• 1:01:47
  or you know, non Michigan people, and you can tell who the Michigan
• 1:01:50
  people are. It's interesting to see the the well you're still going to lose
• 1:01:54
  next Saturday comments, which I mean have been a very consistent thread, which
• 1:02:00
  I mean is that the point I mean, we've you know, acknowledged that
• 1:02:06
  Ohio State is, you know, in some ways not as good as it
• 1:02:08
  has been in previous years and in some ways better, and that this is
• 1:02:12
  the best Michigan team I think we've seen in decades. But I think the
• 1:02:15
  idea that Ohio State is scared or trying to avoid this game or you know
• 1:02:20
  this is this is cry and Ryan Day and you know, his band of
• 1:02:23
  Mary men, his band of Mary Pi's Like, it feels like a lot
• 1:02:29
  of those stories have really not panned out all that well for the people that
• 1:02:34
  have been trying to sell them. So, you know, just we'll continue
• 1:02:37
  to follow this story wherever it goes, and the next place it's going is
• 1:02:40
  a super chat for Mike Free. You know, how can the coach know
• 1:02:44
  there is something to cover? I'm assuming he means cover up if he had
• 1:02:47
  no knowledge, Well, I assume, yeah, I assume this is because
• 1:02:52
  there is not a timeline here. But there's you know, there was not
• 1:02:57
  a time frame presented in terms of when this information was deleted or you know,
• 1:03:01
  destroyed and whatever whatever kind of information it was, in whatever form it
• 1:03:05
  was, It's entirely possible that this, you know, it would be logical
• 1:03:09
  in fact for this to have happened after the initial story broke. Generally if
• 1:03:15
  you were involved in a legal matter, you will get an email from your
• 1:03:20
  you know, legal department or whatever saying, hey, don't destroy any evidence.
• 1:03:23
  Don't delete any emails or whatever, you know, regardless of whether they're
• 1:03:29
  related to what this. You know, what this, you know, this
• 1:03:32
  case, whether you think they're related to this case or not, don't destroy
• 1:03:35
  any emails or any other evidence. And you know, so you could theoretically,
• 1:03:42
  theoretically, he could have not known anything and then this happens, and
• 1:03:45
  then he says, oh, my buddy Connor sent me an email and I
• 1:03:50
  deleted it, and we don't we don't know. We're not going to sit
• 1:03:53
  here and tell you we do know. But you know, theoretically, you
• 1:03:58
  could have that be the case. You know, you didn't know and you
• 1:04:01
  ended up deleting something, you know, after the fact. Yeah, And
• 1:04:05
  I think what I'd like us and I think we have is try to side
• 1:04:10
  on this is possible, like yes, trying to present a plausible way for
• 1:04:18
  a for Michigan to be innocent as much as they can be in this.
• 1:04:21
  And I say Michigan as a whole, like the people involved in terms of
• 1:04:26
  we've talked about with Jim Harbaugh, and the coaches and how we've said that
• 1:04:30
  Connor Stallions could just be a go getter trying to make his way, but
• 1:04:36
  at some point once that becomes so successful, and if you're not asking,
• 1:04:42
  if assistant coaches aren't asking, how do you do this? And he says,
• 1:04:46
  you know, whether he tells them or not, like they have to
• 1:04:49
  know that this isn't normal, And so then it becomes a matter of well,
• 1:04:54
  I don't even want to know how it's done because I don't want to
• 1:04:57
  be implicated. And if if you do find out how it's done, then
• 1:05:00
  now it's up to you to report something. So how how aggressive are you
• 1:05:04
  trying to figure out how this is being done? And you see what happens
• 1:05:08
  when you're not aggressive enough this this can happen. Or if I until until
• 1:05:15
  other assistants are implicated, we'll just leave it at that. But if I
• 1:05:21
  think it's there's there's a certain level of disbelief that you need to think that
• 1:05:28
  coaches just viewed him as some sort of sign stealing wizard. I think it
• 1:05:30
  goes deeper than that in terms of the amount of just shutting off your brain
• 1:05:36
  and accepting it that would need to be done the only reason you shut off
• 1:05:41
  your brain is because you know it's not possible. So then you're like,
• 1:05:45
  I don't I don't want to know. I'm just gonna you know what,
• 1:05:48
  We're all every games on TV. Now, I've seen them, I've seen
• 1:05:50
  it. We have we own a TV, we've got two and so obviously
• 1:05:56
  you're you're gonna be able to get stuff from there and you can just piece
• 1:05:59
  it together. Like from the very first time we started talking about this,
• 1:06:02
  I compared it to the Jurassic Park thing where they would get DNA out of
• 1:06:06
  the mosquitoes, but they only had so much DNA, and so you splice
• 1:06:10
  it with the with the frog DNA. It's like, you can only get
• 1:06:14
  so much DNA out of TV in all twenty two but if you've got enough,
• 1:06:17
  you can figure it all out. But clearly they went beyond that,
• 1:06:21
  and that came out I don't know, two or three weeks ago now with
• 1:06:25
  all of the traveling and the not even just the traveling, but the purchasing
• 1:06:29
  of tickets, and every time you have a question about like, well,
• 1:06:32
  I wonder why I was done this way, in about two days, you'll
• 1:06:35
  have your answer, like a couple of days ago, maybe just yesterday.
• 1:06:39
  Everybody's like waiting. Pete Amil's been quiet. I wonder, I wonder what's
• 1:06:43
  going on, and you know he's like she see tweets about how you know,
• 1:06:46
  he's in the lab cooking some stuff up, you know, like he's
• 1:06:48
  going to drop something. And that's when it is like this. And I
• 1:06:55
  remember going through it covering Ohio State. When it's quiet for a little bit,
• 1:06:59
  it's not because necessarily there's nothing going on. It's because things are being
• 1:07:02
  tightened, tied together, Sources are being contacted, things are being written,
• 1:07:08
  things are going to the lawyers, things, you know, just the process
• 1:07:12
  of big stories like this. It's not just boom boom, boom boom.
• 1:07:17
  You're gonna have something quickly. It takes time. And the reason I think
• 1:07:20
  you're seeing stuff happen constantly is because it's more than just one outlet. And
• 1:07:26
  that's something else that we talked about way back when this is not just ESPN
• 1:07:30
  that is looking into this. This is this is ESPN and Yahoo and other
• 1:07:35
  entities as well. So there's going to be more coming because people are still
• 1:07:41
  looking and people are consuming it, which is I think the biggest driver in
• 1:07:45
  all of this because if this was happening at Washington State and it wouldn't matter,
• 1:07:50
  and similar things have happened, outrageous things have happened at other schools,
• 1:07:56
  Arizona State paying players, coaches paying players. I don't even know how many
• 1:08:00
  people know about that, and that just that that was not a story.
• 1:08:03
  If that was a major program, that was a major football program, Ohio
• 1:08:08
  State, Michigan, Alabama, and what I'm just yeah, I mean,
• 1:08:12
  it's nobody. Nobody's clicking, so let's just move on. Nobody's watching,
• 1:08:15
  so let's just move on. People are watching and clicking and not moving on
• 1:08:18
  from the Michigan thing. Well, and you've seen folks on the Michigan side
• 1:08:23
  calling themselves the golden goose, and the Big Ten, you know, is
• 1:08:26
  going to kill its golden goose here. And you know, yes, there
• 1:08:30
  are a lot of eyeballs on Michigan games and all of that. And you
• 1:08:33
  know, if you look at the I just saw somewhere SI or Sporting News
• 1:08:38
  someone on earlier the week had the graphic that was, you know, the
• 1:08:41
  biggest fan bases in college football, and Michigan was like a top five,
• 1:08:45
  give or take in the sport. But the same thing that makes you think
• 1:08:50
  that also makes this a story that a lot of people are going to pay
• 1:08:54
  attention to. Where where were the big you know, the big scandals,
• 1:08:58
  you know, every time Miami does something Like Miami is a school that doesn't
• 1:09:01
  necessarily have a huge fan base, but because of what Miami has been in
• 1:09:05
  the past and how Miami has conducted itself in the past is you know,
• 1:09:10
  you sort of get the you know, the Howard Stern, what's the number
• 1:09:14
  one reason you listen because you love them? What's the number two reason you
• 1:09:18
  listen because you hate him? Like that's sort of Miami in a lot of
• 1:09:21
  ways. The Miami Nevin Shapiro thing that was like what ten years ago,
• 1:09:26
  now that was you know, that turned into a big thing because Miami was
• 1:09:30
  a you know, first of all, because it was you know, pretty
• 1:09:31
  pretty flagrant stuff, but also because it was a you know, that's a
• 1:09:38
  school that people sort of pay attention to, or at least used to when
• 1:09:41
  they still played college football. Michigan is sort of you know, Michigan is
• 1:09:46
  wants to tell you it's the you know, the biggest brand and the biggest
• 1:09:49
  I think they have the largest alumni based largest living alumni base. I think
• 1:09:53
  I've seen that, you know, and you know, you got James Earl
• 1:09:56
  Jones on the scoreboard telling you it's the greatest university in the world. Like,
• 1:09:59
  okay, well that you want people to pay attention to you. That's
• 1:10:01
  how you get people to pay attention to you. And it's like, no,
• 1:10:03
  not like that, And that's just you don't get to pick and choose.
• 1:10:09
  This was something in the chat that I wanted to bring up because this
• 1:10:12
  is something we talked about a little earlier. Any truth to Connor Stallions and
• 1:10:16
  Chris Partridge friendship, because he also bragged about being friends with Jay Harbaugh.
• 1:10:19
  That's something that was in reporting from Richard Johnson from Sports Illustrated on October twenty
• 1:10:26
  fifth. I'm just going to read directly, this is in the story where
• 1:10:31
  Connor Stallions is like texting with someone, and this is the story with the
• 1:10:34
  whole manifesto and all that kind of stuff that this all came from texts from
• 1:10:39
  Connor Stallions. One of the texts was quote, I'm close with the whole
• 1:10:44
  staff, particularly he said he quote became close with CP and Jay Harb's close
• 1:10:48
  quote, apparently referring to current linebackers coach Chris Partridge and running backs and assistant
• 1:10:53
  the special teams coach Jay Harbaugh, who is the son of a head coach
• 1:10:56
  Jim Harbaugh. Now you know, I mean, you can interpret that any
• 1:11:00
  number of ways. Chris Partridge, of course, the news today that Chris
• 1:11:02
  Partridge had been fired. The report from Yahoo citing the fact that multiple sources
• 1:11:09
  say that Partridge is not alleged at this time of knowing about the advanced scouting
• 1:11:12
  by studience, but acted after the fact to cover up evidence. So you
• 1:11:15
  know, is that a guy who is helping out his buddy, is that,
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  you know, Stallion's himself prior to this said these are my two closest
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  friends on the team or you know, on the coaching staff, and one
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  of them has now been fired. So you know, how much does that
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  mean that this obviously does not directly implicate Jay Harbaugh in any way, but
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  you know, it's certainly interesting that one of the two guys who he named
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  is now the guy who is out of work because apparently he participated in some
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  kind of a cover up for this thing. Tom, I'm looking through this
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  chat. Don't do it, by the way, don't don't go and don't
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  go in there. You're not gonna like it. It is some Michigan fans
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  in there. I do want I would ask the Michigan fans to share your
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  level of concern and are you are you watching this? Are you concerned or
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  are you just angry at obviously Ryan Day and his private investigation private investigation firm
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  clearly and maybe perhaps you know, I don't know, maybe somebody's planning evidence,
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  but like, are you at the point now for Michigan fans where you
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  see something coming over your shoulder and you know that things aren't going well and
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  that that the future is kind of cloudy? And also, if you want
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  to answer that, would you also care to answer how you think this scheme
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  from Counters Stallions has helped your program over the last couple of years. Do
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  you think it has has been has been a meaningful addition to what the accomplished
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  accomplishments on the field have been or is it negligible? Well, and I
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  probably figure out the answer there, but mainly I just want to know maybe
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  maybe just also share your denial so that maybe we can help you through that.
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  If you want to share that and say this is why I don't believe
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  this is a big deal. We can maybe this. We could be an
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  intervention for you if you need, we can help you. We can talk
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  to you about this. We can talk you through it and maybe get you
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  through that. That's what we're here for. We're not just here for us,
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  We're not just here for Ohio State fans. This is this is an
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  US problem. This is a we problem. This is an American problem,
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  and we can help. We're here. Go ahead, and you don't even
• 1:13:40
  need the super chat. But if you want to pay for some therapy everybody
• 1:13:44
  else does, why not you, So just feel free to throw some stuff
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  in there and we can we can talk you through it. I do want
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  to address this from Chris Risner, who says or Reisner, sorry, don't
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  know how to put a pronunciation in the are If you want to want me
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  to spay you say your name correctly. He says, Now we know the
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  position. Coaches knew what was going on, and I want to be clear
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  on this. This is because we're you know, I think everyone we're telling
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  you what we know and what we don't know. I'm going to read to
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  you again the reporting from Yahoo from Dan Wetzel and ross Ellinger, that's the
• 1:14:15
  wrong tab. I have a lot of tabs open. As it turns out,
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  this is directly from the report that everyone is citing today. Multiple sources
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  say that Partridge, Chris Partridge, the fired linebackers coach, is not alleged
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  at this time of knowing about the advanced scouting by Stallions, but acted after
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  the fact to cover up evidence. Sources to tell yah Who Sports that a
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  booster named in the NCAA report as quote Uncle Tea helps fund the scheme,
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  giving Stallions thousands of dollars for expenses. So this is not conclusive proof that
• 1:14:44
  the coaches knew the coaches knew what was going on. It is, you
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  know, suggestive that perhaps they could have. And you know, when you
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  take the you know, the text from Stallions talking about how he's closest friends
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  on the team, you know, on the coaching staff, with Chris Partridge
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  and Jay Harbaugh, and then you have Partridge covering up after the fact,
• 1:15:09
  you don't have to squint too hard to see that you could draw a line
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  there in terms of you know, that ends with yeah, they knew,
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  but that has absolutely not been proven yet. And that's something that is you
• 1:15:24
  know, as they go through this investigation and they go through documents, and
• 1:15:30
  they go through emails, and they go through texts and all that kind of
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  stuff. What's in all of those And we don't know that, And that's
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  one of those things that's going to have to kind of continue to play out.
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  But you know, is there something in there that is you know,
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  let's go back to the Jim Tressel thing. Like Jim Tressel was emailed something
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  on like Easter weekend about players. You know, it was it was sort
• 1:15:54
  of vague. Do you remember the exact email it was. It was sort
• 1:15:57
  of vague. It was just sort of like, hey, you may want
• 1:15:59
  to look into this. And it wasn't like terrelle pryor sold this for this
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  amount of money to this. It was just sort of vague. But he
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  replied to the email, so you couldn't do this is this predates the head
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  coaches responsible for everything role. So but he replied to the email and just
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  said, you know, thanks for the you know, thanks for letting us
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  know whatever. It was, the fact that he sent that email showed that
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  he had seen the initial email notifying him of the potential violations, and then
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  when he signed an NCAA thing that said I am not aware of any potential
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  violations. Then that made that not true because it was provable that he had
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  seen this initial email. That's the whole tat Gate thing. It gets spun
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  as one hundred different million different things, but that's that was the heart of
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  that issue. So is there a text, is there an email? Is
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  there an anything between any of these other Michigan coaches and counter stallions or referencing
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  counter stallions or referencing signs or reference that that you could say, Okay,
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  you know, plausible deniability totally gone right now, because I think you're as
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  this continues on, I think you know, the window of plausible deniability kind
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  of continues to shrink and shrink that you know, really, what are the
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  odds that that you know, you genuinely had no idea that this guy was
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  doing more than just watching TV copy in All twenty two because I can tell
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  you coaches have probably watched football games on TV. Coaches have probably watched All
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  twenty two on TV or All twenty two film, uh, and they know
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  that there is not you know, there is not a lot of there's not
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  a lot of signs you can steal from that. You'll every once in a
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  while you'll see something. It's not the same as being at the game shooting
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  every single call on every single play like that. That's why the in person
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  scouting and particularly speaking of things that people don't want to acknowledge, the electronic
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  portion of it, where your video, your record the video, that's honestly
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  the bigger issue because you know, yeah, you're in person. You can
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  steal signs in person during the game, but you know, you're trying to
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  decode stuff during the game. If you have weeks and weeks and weeks and
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  weeks of data where you can see every single sign and you can take it
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  back and you can run it through you know, whatever computer program you want
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  to run it to or whatever to really decode the this, you know,
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  to really break it all down, that is pretty self evidently much much much
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  more impactful in terms of what you can learn from that. And so you
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  know, that's that's why that's really a big deal. And you know what
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  what you know, we go back to Watergate again, what did they know
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  and when did they know it? Yeah, and back to Sports Illustrated twenty
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  eleven. How deep did it go? Chris Reisner mentions that his last name
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  is pronounced Breisner. So my suggestion, Chris, throw an E before the
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  I. That's all. There's clear up a lot of confusion there for next
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  time. Thank you very much for the super chet. There's a comment here
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  from free Climb at one twenty five the answering my question, he says,
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  what Stallions did or did not do add zero bearing on Michigan's success on the
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  field. To suggest otherwise, given the amount of prevalent sign stealing in the
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  college game is laughable. The amount of sign stealing in the game is small
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  compared to the amount of sign stealing that Michigan and kind of Stallions had done.
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  And the thing is, if you are trying to decode in the game
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  what the signs are, that's beneficial because you wouldn't spend time doing it.
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  So if you can glean something from that that is beneficial, how much more
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  beneficial is it then to have gleaned for weeks upon weeks and games upon games
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  information of signs, what they correlate to, what is a pass, what
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  is a run? You don't think that had added benefit? Then why was
• 1:20:02
  it done? Why do programs try to decode in game decoding outside when they
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  tried to Michigan and some of the media on that side try to call this
• 1:20:15
  decoding rather than sign stealing. I think I saw Desmond Howard repeat that many
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  many times. These are two very different things their part, maybe from the
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  same tree, but one is a branch and one is an acorn in terms
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  of the relation. And so when you are gathering all of this evidence from
• 1:20:32
  prior games and these play calls and the signals, and then you're putting it
• 1:20:39
  on a play sheet, then you're laminating it. That's way different than a
• 1:20:43
  ga up in the booth saying Okay, I think I figured out what zone
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  stretches, all right, so I'll let you know when I see that,
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  and then they'll let them know, oh hey, just saw it. Get
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  ready, as opposed to every single time looking over on the sideline and telling
• 1:21:00
  your defensive coordinator this is a pass, this is a run, right,
• 1:21:04
  that sort of thing. If you don't think that is an added benefit,
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  then, as people have said of four weeks about this whole thing, you
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  don't know ball and also cope harder because it is extremely beneficial. Just if
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  you only knew a run or pass was coming, your defense would be much
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  better and you wouldn't have to worry about things. Their play action would never
• 1:21:29
  be a factor. None of this stuff would be a factor. All you
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  have to do is the idea that everybody does it, and the information is
• 1:21:39
  limited. If everybody does it, and you're telling me everybody does it,
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  then the information isn't limited and the gain, the benefit isn't limited because you
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  wouldn't spend time doing it if it didn't matter. Right, This is one
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  of these like sort of self evident things that if you didn't think it was
• 1:22:00
  worth doing, why would you go to all of this effort? And you
• 1:22:03
  know the fact that he rose through the ranks. You know, he got
• 1:22:08
  a job there in twenty twenty one, and that's I believe before any of
• 1:22:13
  the in person stuff is supposed to have happened, you know, on that
• 1:22:15
  spreadsheet. So he got a job, and then how do you keep your
• 1:22:20
  job? You keep showing you're better at this year, you're improving it,
• 1:22:25
  this year, you're you're more useful, to the point where then he's on
• 1:22:29
  the sideline taught next to the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator, and is
• 1:22:34
  you know, talking to them before Let's just say many plays. We can't
• 1:22:40
  say every play, but many plays. He's standing there talking right now.
• 1:22:44
  If you know anything about a college football sideline, you know they do not
• 1:22:47
  just have any old random dope standing next to the offensive cordator and the defensive
• 1:22:50
  coordinator while they're on the headsets trying to call in plays. There's a very
• 1:22:55
  small window. And you know, we talked to Brian Day and the Ohio
• 1:22:59
  State coaching staff about all this time about what you know, what do people
• 1:23:01
  say in the headsets? And it's like they want everyone to shut up.
• 1:23:05
  They don't want people to talk unless it's really important. So if you're talking
• 1:23:09
  to him, then your information is viewed as really important. And to have
• 1:23:15
  the idea be you know, these guys had no idea. They didn't know
• 1:23:18
  where this came from. They just knew he was really good at it.
• 1:23:20
  Like you should probably be a little more curious than that. But that is
• 1:23:27
  not seemingly what has happened here. We do have a super chat from Fort
• 1:23:33
  Wayne, Buckeye. If Fox was smart, they'd have Harbaugh on Big Noon
• 1:23:36
  each of the next two weeks. Would you put him next to Urban or
• 1:23:42
  would it be the other side of the desk where they would be kind of
• 1:23:45
  these opposing forces, because I kind of feel like it'd be good to have
• 1:23:49
  them next to each other and elbow to elbow through this boy, that would
• 1:23:57
  be obviously going to happen. But Fox, if they were smart and if
• 1:24:01
  Jim Harbaught was not, then yes, do this and see what happens.
• 1:24:06
  And you know he's going to be in the game, he's going to be
• 1:24:09
  Well, he would have to leave before the game started, so he couldn't
• 1:24:14
  be on for the whole thing. Maybe well, he can't go to the
• 1:24:16
  stadium, like inside the stadium, so while they're on the set outside he
• 1:24:21
  could theoretically do it. But yeah, I'm just I'm just picturing the like
• 1:24:26
  one of those old boxing staredowns, just Urban and Jim, like nose to
• 1:24:31
  nose. Charles Woodson's on that show, right, Yeah, so sometimes you
• 1:24:40
  know you may get that with Urban and Charles Woodson on Saturday. Yeah,
• 1:24:44
  that's that's Fox. Fox very obviously has a a good idea. What you
• 1:24:51
  know, what draws numbers. And I said, you remember when he when
• 1:24:56
  Harbaugh was first started at Michigan twenty fifteen, there was they played their first
• 1:25:00
  game at Utah and Fox wrapped their whole I think it was a Fox Sports
• 1:25:05
  one game. They wrapped their whole bus with like khaki pants, and they
• 1:25:10
  had a camera angle just on Jim Harball the whole game and they called it
• 1:25:14
  the Khaki Cam. I mean, tell me you wouldn't have people at least
• 1:25:19
  like second screening a camera of Jim Harbaugh sitting in his hotel room or whatever
• 1:25:25
  watching this game. Like, tell me that would not be like I love
• 1:25:29
  watching the coaches film room during the National Championship game. Like I would absolutely
• 1:25:33
  be second screening Jim Harball watching watching on you know, from his hotel room
• 1:25:40
  watching this game the Hardball cast as he nervously pounds milk, yes, milk
• 1:25:47
  and chicken. Yes. Todd Shreeve, thank you for the super chat.
• 1:25:51
  Sue wants to know how did a low level staff or have an opportunity to
• 1:25:55
  meet the wealthy booster Uncle t Yeah, question, it is an interesting question,
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  and you know I don't have I am not going to pretend to have
• 1:26:05
  tremendous insight into the Michigan program. Frequently, when you are a significant booster,
• 1:26:12
  you will have access to certain things like you can get you might be
• 1:26:16
  able to come in and watch practice or something like that. You're hanging around
• 1:26:18
  the team in some you know, in some form, maybe you're staying at
• 1:26:21
  the team hotel. Whatever. You know, it is not impossible for you
• 1:26:29
  know, the Connor Stallions and the booster Uncle T, who is cited in
• 1:26:33
  the Yahoo report. I feel like we need to just sort of for those
• 1:26:38
  of you who have been here with us from the beginning, I apologize we're
• 1:26:40
  repeating a lot of this stuff, but we keep adding new folks to the
• 1:26:43
  show. That sources tell Yahoo Sports this is a report from Dan Wetzel and
• 1:26:49
  Ross Dellinger on Friday. Sources tell Yahoo Sports at a booster named in the
• 1:26:53
  NCAA report as quote, Uncle Tea helped fund the signs stealing scheme, giving
• 1:26:58
  Stallions thousands of dollars for expense. So that's uh, that's who Uncle T
• 1:27:02
  is. This is you know, this is in the same kind of boat
• 1:27:08
  to me as the coordinators not knowing or you know, who on the staff
• 1:27:13
  knew and who who didn't know, Like there's plausible deniability there where you could
• 1:27:17
  you know, there are there are ways that he could have met that was
• 1:27:20
  not you know, Jim Harball walking up and saying, hello, Uncle T,
• 1:27:25
  I'd like you to meet my good friend Connor Stallions, who illegally steals
• 1:27:27
  signs for us. Like, that's probably not exactly what happened. There are
• 1:27:31
  other ways that that that could have that could have come together. I also
• 1:27:36
  think it's a non zero, perhaps like thirty percent chance that they probably knew
• 1:27:42
  each other from message boards. And because the more the more this gets unraveled,
• 1:27:48
  the more we see so many of these people associated with Michigan message boards,
• 1:27:54
  and that's the there there are trustees on the boards as well, and
• 1:28:00
  obviously attorneys and kind of Stallions was on mg blog back in you know,
• 1:28:03
  a decade ago, and I would not be surprised if this booster is,
• 1:28:10
  if Uncle T is, I wouldn't be surprised by any of that. Now.
• 1:28:15
  Would they meet on a message board, perhaps not, but the the
• 1:28:18
  amount of association with the you would think and not. I don't want to
• 1:28:24
  say people are above message boards. I'm a message board person, but like
• 1:28:28
  not everybody has time for it, but a lot of these Michigan people seem
• 1:28:32
  to have time for it and seem to like really be into it. And
• 1:28:36
  whereas you have a segment of the population that I have nothing to do,
• 1:28:40
  want nothing to do with sports. You have another that I love sports,
• 1:28:43
  I have nothing, want nothing to do with message board, and you have
• 1:28:45
  other people like there are message boards for everything. It's just some people are
• 1:28:48
  message board people and some people aren't. And the more we dig into this
• 1:28:53
  and this, this onion becomes unwrapped. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd been
• 1:28:59
  like people didn't even know they were associated with each other, arguing at one
• 1:29:03
  point about Wilt Spate needs to get out of there should be John o'corn man,
• 1:29:11
  that is the darkest timeline. Wow, that is a yeah, it's
• 1:29:15
  it is interesting that you had, I mean, you go through and you
• 1:29:17
  e Connor Stallion's had an MG blog account that some of the rumored identity of
• 1:29:26
  this uncle t there. There are people on Twitter saying that they have found
• 1:29:30
  his message board, his message board accounts. You have a legal argument from
• 1:29:35
  the MG blog board getting showing up in the showing up in the the official
• 1:29:43
  legal filings. I mean, man, oh man, it is quite a
• 1:29:46
  time to be alive. Super chat from Todd Shreeve, Michigan lost to TCU
• 1:29:51
  because of science. How much could it help If all teams knew about it,
• 1:29:54
  one could argue it hurt them more than it helped. And you know,
• 1:29:57
  so I guess this is we'll go through this in terms of we don't
• 1:30:03
  We don't know for a fact that Michigan did not have TCU science and that's
• 1:30:08
  why they lost. But Michigan lost to a team that I think they were
• 1:30:11
  broadly expected to win, beat by a large amount, and who then lost
• 1:30:16
  sixty five to seven to Georgia in its next game. So you know,
• 1:30:19
  did not magically get incredibly talented. They were a team that if you looked
• 1:30:25
  at their expected wins last season, TCU was expected to win like between six
• 1:30:29
  and seven games and somehow won twelve. So you know, that was not
• 1:30:32
  the most talented team in history. And you know, then you've got Michigan
• 1:30:38
  making significant mistakes. JJ McCarthy threw what two pick sixes in that game?
• 1:30:43
  I think, I mean it was you know, you had a team that
• 1:30:45
  just did not look like the team that played in Columbus or the team that
• 1:30:48
  played in Indianapolis, And it's fair to kind of go, so why,
• 1:30:53
  And you know you've had people who've pulled up the shots of Connor Stallions.
• 1:30:56
  There's not many on the sidelines, but he does not have his typical thick
• 1:30:59
  binder of in h you know, for the TCU game. So you've had
• 1:31:02
  people sort of try to draw that line there. You know, how much
• 1:31:08
  could it have helped if all the teams knew about it? I guess the
• 1:31:10
  question is how you know? How? When did when did teams find out
• 1:31:13
  about it? And how much time do they have to change it? Because
• 1:31:15
  the reason you can change signs and or go to a completely different system before
• 1:31:19
  the bowl game is because you have a month. You don't it's not a
• 1:31:24
  week, it's a month. And you know that you have a lot more
• 1:31:28
  practices you don't have, you ca have a lot more meeting time, you
• 1:31:30
  have a lot more all of that stuff to make a significant change in a
• 1:31:35
  week, you know, in a month, rather than just trying to do
• 1:31:38
  it in the span of a week or something like that. I'm just looking
• 1:31:43
  through some of these tweets from years ago, and this one from presumably counter
• 1:31:49
  Stallions before he deleted everything. Thank you to the coach who took a chance
• 1:31:54
  and got my foot in the door at my dream school. To all the
• 1:31:57
  family the family has basically adopted me on fall weekends to one of my best
• 1:32:00
  friends. Now, thanks for everything you've done for Michigan the last five years
• 1:32:03
  at coach Chris Partridge. That was from I don't even know when, but
• 1:32:10
  just to give you further insight into their relationship and why you might once you
• 1:32:17
  get rid of some evidence for somebody, rather than knowing that you're rather than
• 1:32:24
  trying to make sure you yourself are not implicated, but by what you are
• 1:32:27
  destroying. All right, I wanted to pop this up real quick. I
• 1:32:30
  believe free climb from context. I'm guessing he is a Michigan fan posted you
• 1:32:35
  ask why do it? That's the rub? If they didn't know what was
• 1:32:38
  happening, how do you stop at NC double A says Stallions acted alone?
• 1:32:41
  Stallion said he acted alone. Has the nciable said that Stallions acted alone?
• 1:32:45
  I think at this point they just say they haven't necessarily implicated anybody else.
• 1:32:49
  Yeah, So can I explain to everyone? Yeah? Can I explain to
• 1:32:54
  everyone how NC double A says Stallions acted alone? And NC double A says
• 1:32:59
  they do you not currently have you know complete proof that Steians did not act
• 1:33:04
  alone? Do you need me to explain to you how those two are not
• 1:33:08
  the same thing, Like this is the you know, this is the Michigan
• 1:33:12
  statement on Thursday versus the Nicole Auerbach source thing on Thursday, where it's like,
• 1:33:16
  these two things are not expressing the same the same thing. And you
• 1:33:23
  know, at a certain point you start to lose the benefit of the doubt
• 1:33:27
  on this kind of stuff. And one of the big key points where you
• 1:33:30
  start to lose the benefit of the doubt is when you have a countable assistant
• 1:33:34
  coach on your staff destroying evidence, because then the question is, okay,
• 1:33:39
  what else got destroyed? Because you can't just assume that, okay, well,
• 1:33:43
  the one thing that you know, we that he got caught for that
• 1:33:47
  apparently the big ten. Apparently, based on the tone of some of the
• 1:33:51
  reporting, it doesn't sound like Michigan volunteered that Chris Partridge did this. It
• 1:33:56
  sounds like this was brought to the Michigan's attention. So, Okay, what
• 1:34:00
  else hasn't been caught? What else has maybe gotten destroyed? And the answer
• 1:34:03
  is we don't know. But the answer is also as soon as you start
• 1:34:08
  down that road, you lose all the benefit of the doubt on that because
• 1:34:13
  Okay, you got caught on this one thing. What else? Don't people
• 1:34:16
  know what else hasn't gotten reported? What else? What else has not gotten
• 1:34:20
  uncovered yet but might or might not get uncovered down the line. You kind
• 1:34:26
  of have to assume at this point. Once you once you kind of break
• 1:34:29
  that seal, then you sort of get into the realm where it's like,
• 1:34:31
  okay, you don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. So, you
• 1:34:34
  know, Connor Stallion said he acted alone like, oh well, case closed,
• 1:34:39
  then gumshoe like great job. That means that's like less than nothing.
• 1:34:43
  And again I were not saying that, Oh look, Jim Harbaugh, you
• 1:34:47
  know, actually this is all Jim Harball's idea. Like no one's saying that.
• 1:34:51
  No one's saying any of that. But once you lose the benefit of
• 1:34:55
  the doubt, boy, it gets real dicey, real quickly. And what's
• 1:35:00
  going to come up in you know, I'm sure there has been correspondence between
• 1:35:03
  Stallions and other people. I assume you're an inter office, an intra office,
• 1:35:10
  you know, situation you're going to correspond. Do they use slack?
• 1:35:14
  Do they use email? Do they use texts? Like? Whatever? There
• 1:35:16
  is going to be some kind of intra office communication. And what shows up
• 1:35:21
  in that super chat from Mike Smith says, the Blue Wall is starting to
• 1:35:26
  look more like the Berlin Wall. The more time that passes, the more
• 1:35:29
  it and its credibility crumble hit the thumbs up. So what you're saying is
• 1:35:34
  we need David Hasselhof to do a concerts, pregame concert or postgame concerts at
• 1:35:43
  at Michigan Stadium and everybody can just celebrate America's team, Germany's team, East
• 1:35:50
  Germany's team. Yeah, it's it is a yeah. The idea of you
• 1:35:58
  know, we talked earlier about gaps, you know, wilderness firefighters, is
• 1:36:01
  a fire burning and what do you do. You cut a fire gap so
• 1:36:05
  that the fire can't you know, can't continue burning. It hits something and
• 1:36:09
  it runs out of fuel and it burns out. This fire keeps jumping those
• 1:36:13
  fire gaps, this fire keeps spreading. You're getting it's not just new information,
• 1:36:17
  it's higher up the food chain you're getting and that then becomes a you
• 1:36:24
  know, that becomes a bigger issue when you start getting higher up the org
• 1:36:27
  chart, when you start getting destruction of evidence. That's when you know,
• 1:36:31
  boy, this becomes a real, real big thing. And you know,
• 1:36:35
  part of it is that I think Michigan has has sort of dragged their feet
• 1:36:40
  on this. I mean, if you're familiar with the Great Fire of London,
• 1:36:43
  which was in the sixteen hundreds, I think the Great Fire of London
• 1:36:47
  started when it was like a baker and there was a fire in oven that
• 1:36:53
  was not quite put out at the end of the day, and it started
• 1:36:56
  in to burn this like one house, and it started to spread, and
• 1:37:00
  the Mayor of London was asked to like approve basically making a fire break and
• 1:37:04
  then was like, now you guys got this, and then it got out
• 1:37:08
  of hand. And it's like there was a time for this fire to be
• 1:37:11
  contained, and it feels like that time has passed, and now Michigan has
• 1:37:14
  sort of, you know, Michigan has sort of seemingly prioritized the twenty twenty
• 1:37:18
  three football season over the longer term stuff. Now the fire has broken contain.
• 1:37:25
  Now you're potentially looking at some bigger issues in twenty twenty four. And
• 1:37:30
  you know that is a decision you can make. Boy, you'd better win
• 1:37:36
  that game next Saturday, and you'd better win the Big ten and you'd better
• 1:37:41
  win a playoff game because otherwise, boy, this this could go down as
• 1:37:45
  a real, real, real bad decision. Yeah. Not, it's a
• 1:37:50
  different level of decision. But Ohio State electing not to take a ballband in
• 1:37:57
  twenty eleven costing them a national champ chip in twenty twelve or a significant shot
• 1:38:02
  at one. But to tie this in with what free climb was talking about,
• 1:38:09
  one of the Big Ten's retorts to Michigan was why is kinder Stallions talking
• 1:38:15
  to coordinators during the game? Why is he right there talking to them?
• 1:38:19
  So that is that is not just a it's no big deal. That is
• 1:38:25
  a question that the Big Ten has and using it as proof that there was
• 1:38:30
  cheating and it was effective and you implemented it or somebody implemented it, and
• 1:38:33
  you used it to the best of your ability, even if though you maybe
• 1:38:38
  you didn't know you're using it. It's there on TV being used. And
• 1:38:42
  then to back to free climb on saying that the NCAA says that there's no
• 1:38:47
  evidence that it's anybody other than Kinder Stallions. The NCAA also doesn't care.
• 1:38:53
  The NCAA says the head coach has the responsibility and has to know about it
• 1:38:58
  and the universe. He's going to say the same thing. They may not
• 1:39:00
  say it yet, but they will eventually say it. We're paying you eight
• 1:39:03
  to ten million dollars a year. You are responsible for everybody underneath you,
• 1:39:08
  and if you're not monitoring it, the NCAA is clearly going to think that
• 1:39:11
  they were not monitoring it, because if nobody knew about it, then you
• 1:39:14
  must not be monitoring it. And if you didn't know about it, then
• 1:39:16
  that's even worse. So at this point you have to pretend or legitimately say
• 1:39:20
  yeah, we had no idea and admit your fault in that way. So
• 1:39:25
  the NCAA is going to get them one way or the other, however they
• 1:39:28
  want to do this, And so if you want to just side on what
• 1:39:30
  the NCAA can prove to this point, what they could prove is they don't
• 1:39:34
  have to prove. They have already set the rules and Michigan has agreed to
• 1:39:39
  abide by them, that the head coach is responsible and he's that's that's the
• 1:39:45
  end all, that's it, that's right. That's doesn't matter what they find
• 1:39:47
  at this point, and if they don't find anything else, doesn't matter if
• 1:39:50
  they do find stuff that's going to be even worse. Yeah, And that's
• 1:39:55
  what's so interesting is and I think has to be a concern for Michigan fans
• 1:39:59
  right now, is you don't know where this is going to go because it
• 1:40:01
  keeps it keeps getting worse. You keep having new information come out, and
• 1:40:05
  it is there has not been anything that has come out that is like,
• 1:40:09
  oh that's really good news for Michigan. Boy, that has really changed my
• 1:40:11
  view of what this might be in twenty twenty four. It is really all
• 1:40:16
  been kind of going the same direction, and you keep having things come up
• 1:40:19
  and it's like, oh, well, this is a really big deal,
• 1:40:21
  Like oh just wait, you know this is all going to turn out to
• 1:40:26
  really be a story about a private investigator. It's like, I don't think
• 1:40:29
  that's where this story is going right now. I don't. I mean maybe
• 1:40:32
  I have read the room incorrectly, but I don't think that's where it's going.
• 1:40:35
  And you know, there was a lot of well now that they've gotten
• 1:40:40
  this resolve, like you know, Purdue and Rutgers in Ohio state can all
• 1:40:43
  go to prison for you know, stealing signs or sharing information or whatever.
• 1:40:46
  It's like I don't think that's where this is going either, Like I don't.
• 1:40:51
  I don't think that's where this is headed. So we'll see. Terry
• 1:40:56
  Kovac says it should be criminal the amount of fun our fans are having with
• 1:40:59
  this. But caused CJ his flowers, you know, And that was one
• 1:41:03
  of the first things. I think it was after the CJ three for like
• 1:41:06
  four hundred and seventy yards or whatever a couple weeks ago. I'm like,
• 1:41:10
  well, case closed, Michigan cheated because how else could you have beaten this
• 1:41:14
  guy. Obviously that's just in some senses. But yeah, that guy showing
• 1:41:21
  what he showed against Georgia, showing what he showed against many many teams.
• 1:41:25
  Although I will say not to talk about Ohio State here, I apologize for
• 1:41:28
  talking about Ohio State for the moment here. Kyle McCord and his last two
• 1:41:31
  Big Ten games has completed over seventy percent of his passes in each game.
• 1:41:34
  C J. Stroud didn't do that last year. He did it a couple
• 1:41:39
  of times, or three or four times in twenty twenty two or twenty twenty
• 1:41:44
  one. Rather justin fields did it a couple of times. Dwayne Haskins did
• 1:41:47
  it a couple of times, but J. T. Barrett never did it.
• 1:41:49
  So I'm gonna throw Kyle McCord in there with those guys in terms of
• 1:41:57
  seventy percent completions and back to back games being a legitimate stat Sorry to sidetrack
• 1:42:02
  us, Tom, if you want to go ahead and delete this portion of
• 1:42:04
  the show and host, we can go ahead and do that. Here's an
• 1:42:10
  interesting question from Andrew what happens to Ryan Day if he loses next week?
• 1:42:13
  Obviously Michigan has max drama to say the least, And it seemed like last
• 1:42:15
  year, like after last year, Day has max pressure. Now, I
• 1:42:19
  think the conversation around Ryan Day, to whatever degree you know, I think
• 1:42:25
  the conversation or Ryan Day changed quite a bit after the Peach Bowl last year,
• 1:42:29
  where, you know, leaving that Michigan game last year, I you
• 1:42:31
  know, there were people and I on the postgame show said yeah, I
• 1:42:35
  don't know what this looks like a year from now in terms of, you
• 1:42:40
  know, if he loses again, what does that look like? Well,
• 1:42:43
  that conversation changed quite a bit when they not just made the College Football Playoff,
• 1:42:46
  but then you know, could have should have won that game, against
• 1:42:50
  Georgia. And you know that's not me retconning that, that's what Kirby Smart
• 1:42:55
  said after the game, like Ohio State probably should have won that game,
• 1:42:58
  and you had a bunch of stuff go again against them, and it took
• 1:43:00
  a missed field goal at the gun to actually lose that game. And then
• 1:43:03
  you look at, you know what happened to Georgia the next week, if
• 1:43:06
  Ohio State, if Ohio State makes that field goal, of if Marvin Harrison
• 1:43:10
  doesn't get hurt, if if if Ohio State almost certainly beats TCU the next
• 1:43:15
  week, I mean almost certainly, base you look at how TCU performed against
• 1:43:19
  Georgia. That was that was not a team that was ready to stand up
• 1:43:21
  to an Ohio State or Georgia level team on the football field. So you
• 1:43:26
  know that changed that conversation. And honestly, the Connor Stallions thing it just
• 1:43:30
  looking back at the last two Michigan games, it was just always very befuddling
• 1:43:35
  because it was like Ohio State looked so good and was so consistent and then
• 1:43:41
  all of a sudden you get to Michigan and they can't you know, they
• 1:43:45
  can't do it. The offense bogs down, the defense can't get a crucial
• 1:43:48
  stop, they're giving up big plays, and it's just like, what is
• 1:43:51
  going on? And you know, the there was a meme going around that
• 1:43:56
  was a Scooby Doo thing where it's a you know, it's they're pulling the
• 1:44:00
  mask off and it's it's a John Cooper face and then you pull the mask
• 1:44:03
  off and it's Ryan Day underneath the whole time, like, and you had
• 1:44:08
  that as the narrative as boy, this guy just can't beat Michigan. And
• 1:44:12
  when you have three stated goals as a team and that has beat Michigan,
• 1:44:15
  win the Big Ten, win the National Championship, and you're going, oh
• 1:44:18
  for three and twenty twenty one and oh for three and twenty twenty two,
• 1:44:21
  that then, okay, how many more years can you go over on your
• 1:44:26
  three stated goals before it becomes an issue in terms of your long term employment.
• 1:44:31
  I think the Connor Stallions thing has provided some significant new information about some
• 1:44:38
  of the why behind that. And you know, I know everyone wants to
• 1:44:41
  tell me that this is you know, this is a minimal advantage and oh,
• 1:44:45
  did you see the NCAA's thing about the like, Okay, we've talked
• 1:44:47
  about that earlier. But you know, I look at I'm gonna pull up.
• 1:44:51
  I'm going to do reading your own tweets, as you know, everyone's
• 1:44:56
  favorite thing. Boy, a lot of emergency podcast things in my feed.
• 1:45:00
  Here we go. In twenty twenty two, Michigan's defense was plus eighteen in
• 1:45:04
  MG blogs Rock Paper Scissors metrics against Penn State, meaning their coaching staff was
• 1:45:10
  incredibly good at putting their defense in the right calls for what the opponent was
• 1:45:13
  doing. In twenty twenty three, Michigan's defense was a minus seven. So
• 1:45:17
  you know, does that mean that that is solely connor Stein's nothing else has
• 1:45:23
  changed. No, this is not We're not running a scientific experiment. We
• 1:45:26
  do not have a control thing here. This is not you know, everything
• 1:45:28
  is the same and just we've changed this one variable. But boy, Tony,
• 1:45:34
  if the advanced video signed scout is stealing, provided a significant advantage plus
• 1:45:43
  eighteen. I mean, they've they've been doing that for a long time.
• 1:45:45
  That's the thing that they've been tracking on that blog for and this is a
• 1:45:48
  Michigan blog. They have been tracking that for a long, long long time.
• 1:45:55
  And that's one of the highest numbers i've ever seen on that, and
• 1:46:01
  then a year later, all of a sudden, you go from one of
• 1:46:04
  the biggest positive numbers you've ever seen to a negative number that is not Jim
• 1:46:10
  Harball wasn't there. Jim Harball is not a defensive coach. Jim Harbaugh has
• 1:46:13
  nothing to do with any of that stuff. So if the Connor Stallions thing
• 1:46:18
  was an enormous, enormous advantage in a game like that, that's a lot
• 1:46:26
  like what that would look like. To have a before and after that looks
• 1:46:29
  like that. That does not conclusively mean that that's what it was, but
• 1:46:33
  if it did, That's how I was talking about this before this year's Penn
• 1:46:40
  State game as a hey, keep an eye on this, because I'm going
• 1:46:44
  to be really interested to see what the after looks like in this. And
• 1:46:46
  then I got exactly the result I would have expected if the Connor Stallions thing
• 1:46:50
  was a big deal. If I remember off the top of my head,
• 1:46:54
  Michigan was a plus twelve against Ohio State in Rock paper scissors last year on
• 1:46:58
  defense. I'm going to be real interested to see what that looks like next
• 1:47:01
  Saturday in n Arbor. Yeah, it changed from rock paper scissors to rock
• 1:47:09
  paper stallions and then now it's back to rock paper scissors, and we'll see
• 1:47:13
  how it goes. To further answer the question from Andrew if what does Ryan
• 1:47:18
  da do if he loses? I mean, you can't fault a guy for
• 1:47:20
  losing once to Michigan. You know, it's just one game. That would
• 1:47:25
  be his first loss, clearly because again the other two at this point shrouded
• 1:47:30
  in doubt and mystery. But as I've said for the past since that game,
• 1:47:36
  that one of the question was what happens if they lose next year in
• 1:47:40
  twenty twenty three, Well, then they lose. What happens Rhyane Day,
• 1:47:44
  He'll continue to coach. He will leave us of his own accord. He
• 1:47:47
  won't be fired for losing to Michigan. And as I said many times,
• 1:47:51
  no coach has been fired for losing to Michigan. Ohio State coach has been
• 1:47:55
  fired for losing to Michigan. John Cooper would have stuck around if he hadn't
• 1:47:59
  lost his program. That was ninety nine and two thousand. We're not good
• 1:48:03
  scenes around Columbus and that was only two years after their last victory over Michigan.
• 1:48:10
  And so yeah, Ohio State can lose this year, Ryan Day's going
• 1:48:15
  to be fine. The story that comes from that is you're either Michigan will
• 1:48:18
  Michigan and their fans and the program as a whole will be able to say,
• 1:48:23
  see, we didn't need to steal signs. And if Ohio State wins,
• 1:48:27
  it's you've just wiped out the last two years of losses. And that's
• 1:48:30
  one of the crazy interesting things that will come from this game, either validation
• 1:48:35
  from one side or the other. And in terms of who needs it more,
• 1:48:40
  I don't know that necessarily anybody needs it more than the other, because
• 1:48:43
  there is a ton of riding on this for Michigan, even though it won't
• 1:48:47
  matter once the NCAA gets through with them, I think, and a lot
• 1:48:54
  of the damage is already done in terms of the label that Michigan is now
• 1:48:58
  wearing. So so a win, a win in this game would maybe shake
• 1:49:03
  some of that off. But this news isn't going away with the with a
• 1:49:09
  win over Ohio State. It's You've still got an entire offseason where this will
• 1:49:15
  continue to drip out. And they went and may go dormant for a couple
• 1:49:18
  of months. Then it's like, well, the NCAA is handing in their
• 1:49:20
  notice of allegations and then that starts to clock up again. And so a
• 1:49:26
  win over Ohio State would be a sweet respite. I think for Michigan.
• 1:49:30
  They win for Ohio State in this game would be proof that and whether this
• 1:49:34
  is true or not, proof that the last two years don't count and that
• 1:49:40
  this is how it always should have been. And I know there will be
• 1:49:43
  some Ohio State fans who have been anti Ryan Day get back on board at
• 1:49:46
  least for one game. I think you've seen some of that already, with
• 1:49:51
  folks kind of going oh okay, and and you know, if they go
• 1:49:57
  up there and just get absolutely run over, then sure, I think the
• 1:50:00
  narrative is going to be what the narrative is. This is a better Michigan
• 1:50:02
  team than you've seen either of the last two years Michigan is. I mean,
• 1:50:05
  I haven't looked at the spread recently, and it may have moved in
• 1:50:08
  the last week with gestures vaguely towards the rest of the rest of the stuff
• 1:50:13
  we've been talking about. But this is a Michigan team that last I saw
• 1:50:16
  was favored by a touchdown or something like that over Ohio State. And this
• 1:50:20
  so Michigan should win this game. Michigan is expected to win this game.
• 1:50:24
  So if Michigan wins this game, then it means Michigan has a better football
• 1:50:29
  team than Ohio State this year. If Michigan, as a favorite, doesn't
• 1:50:31
  win this game after beating Ohio State by you know, three touchdowns the last
• 1:50:36
  couple of years, as boy, several people in our comments have mentioned over
• 1:50:41
  the last twenty four months or so, boy, that would raise some interesting
• 1:50:45
  questions, wouldn't it. And you know, at what point is this worth
• 1:50:50
  that? Is is making this the hill you're going to die on? At
• 1:50:54
  what point is this worth it for Michigan? Do they have to you know,
• 1:50:58
  they've beaten Ohio State, they've won the big They've gotten to college football
• 1:51:00
  playoff, Like I don't know that that moves the needle anymore? Like I
• 1:51:03
  do they have to get to the national championship game to make this a fight
• 1:51:06
  that was worth fighting? Or does the does it do they have to get
• 1:51:11
  to do they have to win the national championship to make this a fight that
• 1:51:14
  was worth fighting? And if they don't, here's here's an interesting question.
• 1:51:19
  So they lose to Ohio State next week, hypothetically do they self impose a
• 1:51:25
  bowl band at that point? Hey, listen, we've seen the light now
• 1:51:29
  that now that we don't know now that that's out of the you know,
• 1:51:32
  is going to the peach bowl and playing tulane or something is that worth the
• 1:51:39
  you know? Or or do you fall on your sword at that point?
• 1:51:42
  And if you do, does that become you know, like everyone sort of
• 1:51:46
  knows what's going on at that point, but you know, is that worth
• 1:51:49
  falling on your sword? I mean, this is all obviously very speculative,
• 1:51:55
  but yes, yeah, I will say as of like a weak or so
• 1:52:00
  ago, it was Michigan minus five and a half and that's what it still
• 1:52:02
  is right now at Van Duel. Okay, we have not talked about the
• 1:52:08
  identity the reported identity of Uncle T. But RC says it's Tauchman on MG
• 1:52:13
  and a booster for Michigan. So that's you know, yes, we have
• 1:52:17
  seen that as well. That's you know, we're just we don't have I
• 1:52:21
  have not seen that reported anywhere actually official. So Wooll fifty eight says,
• 1:52:27
  I think ultimately everyone in the Chanin will be gone coaches, a d and
• 1:52:30
  president not because of the scandal, but because of how the scandal has been
• 1:52:32
  handled. That's an interesting point. And there have been people who didn't think
• 1:52:36
  Ward Manual was going to be around long just because of the relationship that he
• 1:52:43
  has with Jim Harbaugh, and nobody thinks Jim Harbaugh is going to be around.
• 1:52:45
  The most amazing thing is if Jim Harbaugh outlasts oh No and Ward Manual,
• 1:52:50
  because he's been trying to leave every year for the last three or four
• 1:52:55
  years, and so if you were to stick around, Tom, is that
• 1:52:59
  I think that extension going to be signed any day now, and they're just
• 1:53:01
  crossing some t's and dotting some eyes. Boy, that extension they're gonna put
• 1:53:04
  in from the highest paid coach in America once they get all these haters out
• 1:53:11
  of the room and so that they can finally get some elbow room to sign
• 1:53:14
  these papers. But it is going to be interesting to see how this all
• 1:53:16
  shakes out in terms of the the way these people acted and how much they've
• 1:53:25
  disappointed the trustees, the regents, the people who don't necessarily have time for
• 1:53:30
  sports, and the Santa Ano leaning into the Gordon Gee type of thing.
• 1:53:36
  How much does that kind of ruffle people's feathers. I'm fascinated to see how
• 1:53:43
  the feelings all go there, because it doesn't feel like, even though they
• 1:53:49
  seem cohesive right now in terms of the head coach, the a D,
• 1:53:53
  and the president, I feel like a lot of that was for show and
• 1:53:58
  now the reality is what we saw yesterday with uh, well we've resolved our
• 1:54:05
  issues with the Big ten. Yeah, it the everyone's all together right until
• 1:54:14
  you know the old Mike Tyson line, Everyone's going to play until the get
• 1:54:15
  punched in the face. Well, Michigan got punched in the face. Uh.
• 1:54:18
  This week, and especially on Thursday apparently with the Partridge thing sort of
• 1:54:24
  coming out and then the Harball temporary restraining we're being withdrawn, and then Partridge
• 1:54:30
  being fired on Friday, I'm reminded of the twenty eleven Ohio State team which
• 1:54:35
  was going to go out and they were going to shock the world and they're
• 1:54:38
  going to prove the haters wrong and everyone no one was more united than they
• 1:54:42
  were, and they were gonna and then they lost one game and everything went
• 1:54:45
  to crap immediately like that. This feels like something that's going to be This
• 1:54:49
  is going to go great. Everyone's going to be together, arm in arm
• 1:54:53
  right until they lose a game, and then it's going to be a big
• 1:54:56
  problem. And you know, and and the question is just how bad does
• 1:55:01
  it go? How quickly whenever that happens, because you know, everyone's everyone,
• 1:55:05
  everyone loves a winner. And as soon as you're a loser, you
• 1:55:08
  know, you can you can only point at the haters and say, you
• 1:55:13
  know, they hate us because they and us because because we just win,
• 1:55:15
  win, win, Well that's fine. As soon as you lose, then
• 1:55:18
  that stops being an argument. And I think people are fewer and fewer people
• 1:55:23
  are finding that argument persuasive at that point anyway, at this point anyway.
• 1:55:26
  But interesting tweet from Peter Burns of ESPN. It's imperative Michigan ad Ward Manual
• 1:55:31
  resigned from the CFB playoff committee a selection committee immediately. You can't have a
• 1:55:38
  sitting athletic director of a team reprimanded by its own conference for unfair competition issues
• 1:55:42
  be a part of this process. Full stop, must happen. Now.
• 1:55:45
  I mean, Peter Burns is sec affiliated, safe to say, but I
• 1:55:54
  don't know that I necessarily disagree with that. I mean, you have to
• 1:55:58
  replace him with another big ten a d I guess, but you know that's
• 1:56:04
  the this is this kind of goes into that last thing where everything associated with
• 1:56:10
  Michigan is kind of tarnished right now because of this, and that's not just
• 1:56:15
  gonna go. That doesn't just buff out like that's that that's gonna take Uh,
• 1:56:20
  that's gonna take a toll. Which is why I do wonder how far
• 1:56:26
  up the the acts could fall up that up that food chain when this is
• 1:56:30
  all said and done well, and when we did our first Tuesday night show,
• 1:56:33
  we do a show for those of you tuning in, We do a
• 1:56:36
  show every Tuesday night with the college football player Frankings Reveal and we do a
• 1:56:41
  live reaction. We talked about it. I jump onto the title conference with
• 1:56:44
  Book Corgan, the chair of the committee, and then they come back to
• 1:56:46
  the show and tell Tom and Kevin what was said. One of the questions
• 1:56:53
  in that first session, and this was after the Michigan thing, the kind
• 1:56:56
  of Stallion's thing had broken, was are you concerned about having ward manual as
• 1:57:01
  part of your committee and having it tainting your reputation as a committee, Which
• 1:57:06
  was a question that completely out of left field, And no, there was
• 1:57:12
  no concern about being tainted by a ward manual and the Michigan cheating thing.
• 1:57:16
  But this is the thought process. These are the questions that are now being
• 1:57:20
  directed at Michigan in terms of the taint. Go ahead and isolate that if
• 1:57:28
  you want. But there are questions like that, and so there will continue
• 1:57:32
  to be questions like that, and there will continue to be a stain in
• 1:57:36
  a pox if you will. On all of this, Free Climb says here,
• 1:57:42
  NCAA has declined investigations when presented with evidence of same allegations, citing the
• 1:57:47
  reasons as the matter was considered trivial. That is not true. Tell me
• 1:57:53
  what same allegations against other programs are, because again, this isn't sign stealing,
• 1:58:00
  this is in person scouting, electrical equipment usage. This is that.
• 1:58:05
  Show me some allegations of that proof. Not again, because remember due process
• 1:58:13
  is very important here. We don't we can't just operate in allegations. We
• 1:58:15
  need evidence from the NCAA, and until we have that then it doesn't matter.
• 1:58:21
  Now go ahead and show us some of that. If you can have
• 1:58:25
  somebody from the NCAA get into this chat, then we could talk to them.
• 1:58:29
  But allegations of the same is not nearly evidence of anything, and the
• 1:58:34
  same is completely out of the ballpark because when people, when a lot of
• 1:58:39
  Michigan fans say everybody's doing it, there the everybody's doing it is the sign
• 1:58:45
  stuff in game that you're playing trying to figure that out or communicating maybe you
• 1:58:50
  have friends in the industry, coach buddies. That is not what we're talking.
• 1:58:56
  That is not what is getting Michigan in trouble. You need to focus
• 1:58:59
  on what is getting Michigan trouble now what everybody does. Focus on what the
• 1:59:01
  NCAA doesn't want Michigan to do, because that's the real problem. That's the
• 1:59:05
  issue. And whether that started because of some detective agency in New Hampshire or
• 1:59:12
  the I don't know, the illuminati, it doesn't matter because right now what
• 1:59:15
  is going on, what the NCAA is looking at, is what matters.
• 1:59:18
  Tom, Yes, it is. It is what matters. And I mean
• 1:59:21
  the reference there, I think is to a Baylor coach who got suspended for
• 1:59:26
  half a game, and that was like he went to a game that the
• 1:59:31
  Baylor was not participating in, like with another coach or something. He did
• 1:59:34
  not go with the intention of scouting he did not go and record any of
• 1:59:39
  this stuff. This was not a systemic thing. So I mean, I
• 1:59:42
  get why people are pointing to that, but like it is exceptionally apples and
• 1:59:45
  oranges, and you know, it's one of those things that has sort of
• 1:59:49
  like taken hold in you know, the minds of Michigan fans and it's like,
• 1:59:54
  well but this thing, and it just it just gets repeated ad nauseum
• 1:59:58
  over and over and over again, and it's like, well, that's it's
• 2:00:00
  not really the same thing. It's like, well, but I wanted to
• 2:00:01
  be like, well, it's not the same thing. It's you know,
• 2:00:04
  if you can point to in person scouting involving electronics in a you know,
• 2:00:10
  a really systemic way and all that kind of stuff, great, I'm I'm
• 2:00:14
  all for hearing it. But you know, there's there's that there's well,
• 2:00:18
  Ohio State shared something with someone Rutgers or Purdue or whatever. The specifics on
• 2:00:24
  that were, it's like, yeah, that's you're allowed to be at your
• 2:00:27
  own games, You're allowed to talk to other people. There's not you know,
• 2:00:30
  there's not a rule against that. There's there's specific rules against the in
• 2:00:34
  person thing, and there's specific rules against the electronic thing. And while we're
• 2:00:41
  just running through the list of things. You know, Tony, did you
• 2:00:44
  know that the NCAA considered removing the rule about in person scouting? Did you
• 2:00:47
  did you hear? Have you been on the internet, Tony? Have you
• 2:00:50
  heard that they considered removing it? Did they remove it? No? In
• 2:00:55
  fact, it is still in place. Okay, this is uh. Ferris
• 2:01:00
  Khan says, I watched Michigan podcast. That is where I learned that learned
• 2:01:03
  Ohio State's offensive linman are tipping run versus pass on virtually every play with their
• 2:01:08
  stance before every play. I don't know if Ferris is a Michigan fan or
• 2:01:12
  an Ohio State fan, but you know, if that was true, then
• 2:01:15
  you wouldn't have Connor Stallion's having to you know, like the video that Adam
• 2:01:19
  King put out last week where he's looking a couple weeks ago at this point,
• 2:01:25
  looking across the field, and then immediately then starting's gesture, and you
• 2:01:29
  know he's not looking at the offensive lineman. And you don't need a sign
• 2:01:32
  steeler to look at the offensive lineman. You need a sign steeler to steal
• 2:01:35
  signs. That's what they do straight in the name there, so I would
• 2:01:41
  not need him there. Super chat from Uncle Rico. Will Harball be coaching
• 2:01:45
  during the game next week? All it takes is an assistant slash friend with
• 2:01:47
  him and a phone to send some text messages to the staff. Now,
• 2:01:50
  you're not allowed to have electronics on the sideline, correct, because there?
• 2:01:56
  You are allowed to have them in the booth because there was that was an
• 2:02:00
  other What about is that there was a Purdue coach with an Apple Watch on
• 2:02:03
  in the press box on some game. At some point I was like,
• 2:02:06
  well, yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. It's no the NCAA
• 2:02:10
  got rid of that rule, but I believe that was just the press box.
• 2:02:13
  But you know, sure you could do that. What is Jim Harbaugh
• 2:02:17
  adding to the mix here? I mean, the risk reward there is just
• 2:02:23
  not like that's just not a thing to me that that is something that,
• 2:02:28
  no matter how reckless they're going to be, that seems like the risk reward
• 2:02:30
  there is just not The juice is not worth the squeeze, as they say,
• 2:02:34
  for one, it's not quick enough. And for two, if you've
• 2:02:38
  ever texted at a stadium with one hundred thousand people, you may not get
• 2:02:43
  those texts for about three hours, so you can't game plan around. We'll
• 2:02:47
  just coach via text. It just it won't work. For one, you
• 2:02:51
  need to make decisions quickly, and I'm just imagine trying to type out all
• 2:02:58
  of the things that you want to tell sure on more and it's like by
• 2:03:00
  the time you get it typed out, it's like the call is already needs
• 2:03:03
  to be happening. They're already punting. They've already decided to go to punt
• 2:03:08
  fourth and one from the Ohio State thirty one. You know they're punting there.
• 2:03:12
  Well. And something else is there is a delay on there's a delay
• 2:03:17
  on TV, and it's a significant delay on streaming. I mean even inside
• 2:03:21
  the stadium. Even inside the stadium, it's you know, you can there's
• 2:03:26
  a website called stat Broadcast that is updated like after every play, and if
• 2:03:30
  you're watching at home, even after the play, a lot of times,
• 2:03:34
  if you're on like Hulu or something like that, it'll be like a play
• 2:03:36
  or two behind. And even on live TV it's seven to ten seconds behind
• 2:03:44
  live at the very least, so you know if you're watching, you know,
• 2:03:47
  if you're watching from a hotel or whatever, you're not gonna be able
• 2:03:51
  to do anything like play to play. And you know, I mean,
• 2:03:55
  what is he going to text them run the damn ball? Like, Okay,
• 2:03:58
  sure I think they. I think they his position on that matter,
• 2:04:00
  so I go ahead. Do you think maybe that's what the second half of
• 2:04:06
  last week's game was. You know how sometimes you send a text and then
• 2:04:11
  or somebody send you a text and it's just the same text repeatedly. What
• 2:04:14
  if Jim Harbo sent a text run the ball just just just once, like
• 2:04:18
  an encouragement at hatime, Hey, get out there, run the ball,
• 2:04:23
  and it just got set in like thirty two times thirty times, and Sharon
• 2:04:26
  was like, gee, my phone is blowing all right, we got to
• 2:04:28
  run it. The phone is blowing up, and let's run it again.
• 2:04:31
  And maybe that's what that was. What other explanation? Could there possibly be
• 2:04:36
  super chat from Jam? Is there any chance that the game won't happen?
• 2:04:41
  No? Like that that has been We have talked about a lot of really
• 2:04:45
  stupid, repetitive responses on this show. One of them is this is all
• 2:04:53
  because Ohio State is scared and doesn't want to play the game. Like I
• 2:04:55
  can assure you Ohio State wants to play the game. Ohio State would like
• 2:04:58
  to. Ohio State would like nothing more than to win the Michigan game.
• 2:05:02
  Send Michigan into the off season functionally into the off season, and you know,
• 2:05:08
  earn a spot in the Big Ten Championship game. This is not Indiana
• 2:05:11
  where they're hoping to like well, there's not even really the rules say like
• 2:05:15
  no, like this is they they want to play the game. This is
• 2:05:17
  the idea that Ryan Day is scared is stupid? Ryan Day is pissed,
• 2:05:20
  I would think is probably a more accurate. You know, he has not
• 2:05:25
  commented on any of this. I would assume if he was going to emote
• 2:05:29
  something publicly about this, I would guess that anger rather than fear, would
• 2:05:33
  be what is motivating this, because if you know, if I felt like
• 2:05:39
  my whole you know, coaching legacy and you know the legacy of there's been
• 2:05:44
  so much talk about, oh, the poor Michigan players this year. You
• 2:05:45
  can't punish them. They haven't done anything wrong, Like there are high state
• 2:05:48
  players in twenty twenty one, or high state players in twenty twenty two who
• 2:05:53
  you know had had their careers ended with you know or you know, their
• 2:05:57
  regular seasons ended, and guys scared Bowl games and all that kind of stuff
• 2:06:00
  because they didn't beat Michigan and they didn't go to the Big Ten championship game,
• 2:06:03
  and you didn't get a chance to play for the national championship when you
• 2:06:06
  were a national championship caliber team like I would. You know, if I
• 2:06:11
  was the coach and I figured out that this had happened, I would be
• 2:06:15
  pretty angry about that. So yeah, no, the Ohio State is Ohio
• 2:06:17
  State is not ducking Michigan. Michigan, you know, very obviously wants to
• 2:06:24
  play as many games as they can this season because who knows what that life
• 2:06:26
  is going to look like after this season, So they want to play that
• 2:06:29
  game too, and more importantly than anything else, Tony, our good friends
• 2:06:32
  at the Fox Broadcasting Network would really like to play that game and sell you
• 2:06:36
  some pickup trucks and beer and you know whatever else they sell you between insurance
• 2:06:42
  or something. Is that a little bit of projection from the Michigan fans when
• 2:06:45
  they're talking about Ohio State not wanting to play the game because it was Michigan.
• 2:06:49
  I didn't want to play the game in twenty twenty, And it's like
• 2:06:53
  once you've opened that can of worms and you've made that something that is,
• 2:06:57
  once you've normalized that, then you think that that's a thing that you can
• 2:06:59
  do, a thing that you do. You want to play. Nobody wants
• 2:07:02
  to play this game more than Ohio State, I can assure you, and
• 2:07:05
  nothing barring the same thing that happened to twenty twenty will keep them from playing
• 2:07:12
  the game this time around. Tom Again, I don't want to interrupt with
• 2:07:15
  some Ohio State stuff, but the university has sen out their Senior Day honour
• 2:07:20
  ease for Saturday's game for Ohio State. I can run through them if you
• 2:07:27
  want. I'm sure it is all anyone would possibly who could possibly want.
• 2:07:33
  Yes, then I won't. Fine, I won't. You've lost the opportunity
• 2:07:39
  for me to do that. Do we have another super chat in there?
• 2:07:42
  Or is that a no? Again? We finished that one? No?
• 2:07:44
  That is that is not yes? So I saw a did you see a
• 2:07:47
  list or did you just see a graphic? Oh no, I've got I've
• 2:07:50
  got the list if you actually want it. I didn't like your app Frankly,
• 2:07:54
  let's let's go ahead and run through the list, because yeah, go
• 2:07:57
  ahak kicker Parker Lewis, quarterback Triss and Jebia walk on offensive lineman and Jack
• 2:08:03
  Forsman, Offensive lineman, Grant Tutant walk on, Quarterback Chad Ray walk on,
• 2:08:09
  defensive back Andrew Moore walk on, Offensive lineman Quintin Berg walk on,
• 2:08:13
  d B Cameron Kittle, offensive lineman Trey LaRue walk on, tight end Patrick
• 2:08:18
  Kurd, Jade McKenzie defensive lineman. Running back Mayan Williams, who is a
• 2:08:24
  red shirt junior, will be walking. Linebacker Cody Simon, who is a
• 2:08:28
  true senior who I think comes back. Linebacker Steel Chambers, wide receiver Julian
• 2:08:33
  Fleming. As expected, Brian Hartline said that they've told the team, if
• 2:08:37
  you have an opportunity to walk walk, you can figure out whether or not
• 2:08:41
  you're coming back later. He still has his COVID year if he wants to
• 2:08:43
  use it, just like Cody Simon does. Safety Josh Proctor, offensive lineman
• 2:08:48
  Matthew Jones, wide receiver Xavier Johnson, tight end Kate Stover, and linebacker
• 2:08:52
  Tommy Eikenberg. I wonder if tom if that is the order they will come
• 2:08:56
  out with Tommy Eikenberg being the last guy That sounds about right because we're the
• 2:09:03
  last. Wasn't Xavier Johnson the third to last? And then yeah, so
• 2:09:07
  you've got the three captains at the end. That sounds like what the order
• 2:09:09
  they're probably coming out in. Yes, so mine, Williams, I think
• 2:09:13
  is the only surprise I Like I said, I expect Cody Simon to come
• 2:09:16
  back and be the starting middle linebacker next year using that COVID red shirt.
• 2:09:22
  So if he left that that would kind of surprise me. But we'll know
• 2:09:26
  more about that later on down the run. We'll talk to them during bowl
• 2:09:28
  practice and things like that, and maybe next week as well, and not
• 2:09:31
  next week but the week after perhaps. All right, Tony, that's enough
• 2:09:37
  Ohio State Football Talk. Sorry, Ohio State Football Channel, super taffering Greg
• 2:09:41
  Bates WINNA lose the team in the last two years. We'll have an asterisk
• 2:09:45
  side the records now with the footnote of being identified as cheating. And you
• 2:09:48
  know, I think the question is what have an asterisk side the record or
• 2:09:52
  will it be zero in one because we have seen that. You know,
• 2:09:56
  that is a people were talking about the you know, is the big ten
• 2:10:00
  vacate these wins. That is not a big ten thing. That is an
• 2:10:01
  NC double A thing that the NC double A could vacate wins, and that
• 2:10:07
  seems like that that is one of those things that the NCAA can do and
• 2:10:15
  it doesn't directly harm future people affiliated with the school who don't have you know,
• 2:10:22
  who have nothing to do with it. You know, the freshman who
• 2:10:24
  shows up in twenty twenty four. There's always the argument, well, you
• 2:10:30
  can't. You don't want to punish them. He had nothing to do with
• 2:10:31
  it. And you know, the same people making that argument are generally also
• 2:10:35
  making the argument, well, you can't punish us now because these players had
• 2:10:39
  nothing to do with it, And it's like, I mean, they didn't
• 2:10:41
  have anything maybe directly to do with it. Did they benefit from it?
• 2:10:43
  Sure? But you know, at this point the decision has been made.
• 2:10:46
  There's not going to be any kind of a you know, postseason ban or
• 2:10:50
  whatever from Michigan this year. So you can't punish us now, you can't
• 2:10:54
  punish us later. I mean, that's it's very much like the you know,
• 2:11:00
  hey, you can't punish you can't announce the Jim Harball suspension on Thursday.
• 2:11:03
  You did it too fast. You can't announce the Jim Harba suspension on
• 2:11:07
  Friday. That's too close to the trip. You can't announce the Jim Harbass
• 2:11:09
  suspension next Monday. That's after they hit. That's hanging over their heads the
• 2:11:11
  whole weekend. Like there's no there's no good time to punish us. So
• 2:11:15
  just don't punish us, you know, in terms of you know what this
• 2:11:18
  looks like next year. I mean this stuff broadly speaking that the NCAA is
• 2:11:22
  looking at is scholarship restrictions, vacating wins and championships, show cause penalties for
• 2:11:31
  coaches, that kind of stuff. I mean, I know, like I
• 2:11:33
  know that there's a TV band thing in there. Let me assure you there
• 2:11:35
  is not going to be a TV ban for Michigan. There's too much money
• 2:11:39
  at stake, so that's that's not going to happen. But you know,
• 2:11:43
  you're potentially depending on what's found looking at show causes and and uh you know,
• 2:11:50
  bowl bands and uh wins being vacated and that kind of stuff. That's
• 2:11:54
  that's more in the neighborhood of what you're looking for. And then just in
• 2:11:56
  terms of the severity that's that depends on what they find and you know,
• 2:12:03
  if if anything, Greg also says, complaining about how it came out as
• 2:12:09
  like being mad at the officer that caught you drinking and driving, like the
• 2:12:15
  checkpoint being like a violation of my civil rights, that sort of thing,
• 2:12:18
  like this is entrapment. It's like, don't don't drink and drive and don't
• 2:12:24
  do it at at a checkpoint, that sort of thing, And they're the
• 2:12:28
  how I got caught or whatever is Obviously you can be mad about it,
• 2:12:33
  but that doesn't change the fact that the situation is still here. I'm trying
• 2:12:37
  to scramble through the Michigan record book to see if they count the twenty ten
• 2:12:43
  game in their Ohio state record how they haven't listed, because it's always interesting
• 2:12:48
  when a game gets vacated by one university, how whether or not the other
• 2:12:52
  universities go back and check it. I would have to think that if if
• 2:12:58
  and I've said this before, if Michigan one twenty two seasons get vacated,
• 2:13:03
  Ohio States media wouldn't have Ryan Day as having two losses to Michigan, would
• 2:13:11
  they like? That's That's one of the first things they probably edit and then
• 2:13:16
  they get it back out there with they knew and approved media guide for you
• 2:13:20
  here with Ryan Day being whatever and whatever, and the two losses in twenty
• 2:13:26
  twenty one and twenty twenty two are no longer there. Here's an interesting thing.
• 2:13:31
  How many times will Michigan celebrate win number one thousand Vegas? As the
• 2:13:35
  over under at three I'm going to say I'm going to take the under on
• 2:13:37
  that one for sure, but I would probably take the over on one and
• 2:13:41
  a half because I think they probably get number one thousand this weekend at Maryland,
• 2:13:46
  and I think I'm probably expecting some of those to be vacated, so
• 2:13:50
  then it's you know, then it'll be well once again, there will be
• 2:13:54
  win number one thousand at some point in the future. I don't know how
• 2:13:58
  big the gap is between Michigan and I was looking. No, yeah,
• 2:14:01
  I think it's I think it's thirty five or forty something like that. I
• 2:14:05
  think ohiosed its second as well. So you know, if you do get
• 2:14:11
  three years of games vacated, you could actually theoretically have Ohio State, you
• 2:14:18
  know, close enough to Michigan that if Ohio State has better seasons the next
• 2:14:20
  few years, that Ohio State could get two one thousand before Michigan does go.
• 2:14:26
  I'm sure that will go over great if that happens. Right now,
• 2:14:30
  Ohio State is thirty six wins, and so twenty twenty one they were twelve
• 2:14:35
  and two, twelve and one, right, no, thirteen, they won
• 2:14:41
  thirteen games, and right then they win thirteen games in twenty I will have
• 2:14:45
  that information for you very quickly. Tom. In twenty twenty one they were
• 2:14:52
  twelve and two, and then last year they were thirteen and twelve and to
• 2:14:56
  one, thirteen and one, so twenty five wards the last two and then
• 2:15:01
  you know this year what and this is who knows what they're going to do?
• 2:15:05
  Is this going to be you vacate all the wins while Stallions was on
• 2:15:09
  the staff? Is this you know the whole season? Is everything tainted because
• 2:15:13
  of the you know the stuff that came out today about Chris Partridge. We
• 2:15:16
  don't know, but I mean this is you know, you're in the realm
• 2:15:20
  where if Ohio State's thirty six wins behind Michigan right now, and then Michigan
• 2:15:26
  vacates three seasons worth of wins, that's you know, it's already twenty five
• 2:15:33
  and they're ten and zero now, so there's thirty five. So yeah,
• 2:15:37
  that's h and even if it's from when they got rid of Stallions, it's
• 2:15:41
  still like thirty two because there was seven games, and then what happens if
• 2:15:46
  everything is vacated. That's not the only punishment. You're gonna have scholarship productions.
• 2:15:50
  Things are not going to go well. You wouldn't expect Michigan to continue
• 2:15:54
  at the twelve win per season pace once the NCAA gets involved. So that's
• 2:16:00
  going to be an interesting race for one thousand and nine. I will say
• 2:16:03
  one spot one win behind Ohio State Alabama. Yeah, and that's that's yeah.
• 2:16:13
  You could see, Well, we're having lots of conversations about the future
• 2:16:20
  of head coaching at Michigan, and we've had the conversation about Ohio State.
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  How long is Nick Saban going to be there? And who's going to take
• 2:16:26
  over for Nick Saban? And will that thing just keep on rolling with whoever
• 2:16:31
  gets to get to stand on third base at Alabama after Nick Saban? That
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  this this could be a real this could be a real horse race if this
• 2:16:43
  all does happen as it could. And you know, frankly, there's I
• 2:16:46
  think Michigan's losing what forty something seniors after this season forty four seniors something like
• 2:16:52
  that, and potentially a lot of other guys. Jim Harbaugh said over the
• 2:16:56
  summer that he thought they could have twenty players drafted. I don't think that's
• 2:16:58
  probably going to be anywhere close to that. But even if it's you know,
• 2:17:03
  twelve to fourteen guys drafted, that's a lot of guys you got to
• 2:17:07
  replace, a lot of you know, big, big name guys, a
• 2:17:09
  lot of the guys who are making you know, making this team what it
• 2:17:13
  is. And then what does the coaching staff turnover look like after the season?
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  And you know, I don't know that I'm expecting Michigan to go you
• 2:17:22
  know, eleven and zero into Columbus next year? What, Tony, what
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  with the caveat that? Obviously we don't we don't know anything about anything right
• 2:17:33
  now in terms of what the punishment is going to be and when it's going
• 2:17:35
  to come down and all that kind of stuff. How many points would I
• 2:17:39
  have to give you in order for you to take Michigan, you know,
• 2:17:43
  basically blindly right now in Columbus next season. Michigan a what five and a
• 2:17:48
  half point favorite this year? How many points would I have to give you
• 2:17:52
  in order to take Michigan in Columbus next season. I feel like the answer
• 2:17:56
  might be fourteen. I was thinking like seventeen and a half something like that,
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  because the thing about the seniors leaving, what with all of this going
• 2:18:13
  on, if something happens, well, you know, there's only so much
• 2:18:16
  time for something to happen. But the juniors who were leaning towards coming back,
• 2:18:22
  or the COVID seniors leaning towards coming back, are you sure you want
• 2:18:24
  to come back to what might be a health storm of NCAA issues And this
• 2:18:31
  might just be, like, you know what, I'm out of here too,
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  So it may not just be the seniors. And that number, that
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  twenty number included the juniors, a lot of the talents and juniors that would
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  leave, So that including like a Donovan Edwards as well, who has not
• 2:18:46
  played to that potential at this point this season. But if you see the
• 2:18:52
  clouds, the storm clouds gathering around, are you like, well, I'm
• 2:18:56
  gonna go find shelter in the draft. I'm going to go find shelter in
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  the portal. This could be a very different Michigan team than the one we
• 2:19:07
  see now. Now could JJ McCarthy's stay and it still looks quite a bit
• 2:19:11
  like the Michigan offense that we've seen. Maybe, but I at this point,
• 2:19:18
  if a quarterback sticks around, although it is a pretty good it's pretty
• 2:19:20
  good quarterback draft, these are all things that they're gonna have to weigh.
• 2:19:24
  And I think maybe the biggest decision, one of the biggest decision making factors
• 2:19:31
  there is how bad is the INSA going to hammer Michigan? And do I
• 2:19:35
  want to be here for that or would I just rather be somewhere else.
• 2:19:39
  I think there's going to be some things to weigh there. Yeah, it's
• 2:19:43
  you know, again, we're seven steps ahead of the process right now.
• 2:19:48
  But you know, if you have, if you have penalties come down that
• 2:19:54
  are substantial that are going to have a significant impact on the on field product
• 2:20:01
  for Michigan next year. It is a lot easier to leave now than it
• 2:20:05
  used to be. And when you when your team got hammered by the NC
• 2:20:07
  DOUBLEA, it was generally not super difficult to leave, and even even in
• 2:20:13
  the before times, and now it has only gotten easier. You know,
• 2:20:18
  this is this is so speculative that it's almost not worth having the conversation.
• 2:20:24
  But you know, it's you may be a little bit of a year zero
• 2:20:28
  kind of situation next year. If stuff, if you lose all of these
• 2:20:33
  guys and if you have you know, punishments come down and if you have
• 2:20:39
  guys going to the portal and all that kind of stuff. And Michigan has
• 2:20:41
  really lived with get that lived through the portal in recent years bringing in you
• 2:20:46
  know, they have not recruited incredibly well. You know, you go through
• 2:20:50
  the year by year recruiting rankings and they're in the low teens a lot of
• 2:20:54
  years and they're not recruiting like a team that should be going twelve and one
• 2:20:58
  most years. And you know, how much of that do you want to
• 2:21:01
  chalk up to Connor stallions over the last couple of years, and how much
• 2:21:05
  do you want to chalk up to they've portaled really well. I mean like
• 2:21:07
  Oliva Teami last year, you got yourself a did he win the Remington Award
• 2:21:13
  last year? I think he did. He was at least a finalist.
• 2:21:16
  You got yourself, you know, a all American caliber offensive, you know,
• 2:21:20
  center out of the portal. How attractive of a portal destination is Michigan
• 2:21:26
  going to be in the next year with you know, not even just the
• 2:21:31
  when the penalties are issued. It's the uncertainty because guys are making their portal
• 2:21:35
  decisions in January. Guys are making their portal decisions even after springball in you
• 2:21:43
  know, April May. There is no guarantee this is resolved by that point.
• 2:21:48
  And you know, I think you go back over the you know,
• 2:21:50
  during the tat gate thing at Ohio State, you saw a boy ohighs.
• 2:21:54
  State recruiting didn't really pick back up until urban Meyer walked in the door.
• 2:21:58
  And I don't think you know, there's a long way to go between now
• 2:22:03
  and whoever coaches Michigan, you know, whoever's the next head coach at Michigan
• 2:22:07
  after Jim Harbaugh and when that all happens. But I don't think urban Meyer
• 2:22:11
  is walking through that door. I can guarantee you that he is not looking
• 2:22:16
  at the schedule just for Michigan next year. They've got a really good home
• 2:22:20
  schedule, so this would be a terrible thing for the fans. You have
• 2:22:24
  an awesome home schedule of Texas USC Michigan State in Oregon, and then have
• 2:22:28
  a team that is scattered to the wind and putting some pieces together to try
• 2:22:33
  to battle those squads. Here's an interesting point in terms of portal. You
• 2:22:39
  know, if if you wanted to bring someone in Dante Moore, the quarterback
• 2:22:43
  from UCLA, the five star he was from, He's a Detroit native,
• 2:22:48
  went out to UCLA. Has UCLA fired Chip Kelly or is that just you
• 2:22:52
  see? You know widely reported that use okay, yeah, not yet,
• 2:22:56
  is yet yet is doing a lot of lifting there. And there's also and
• 2:23:01
  there's also speculation more as leaving regardless, so just because he's been in and
• 2:23:07
  out of the lineup and that was always seemed like an nil decision and getting
• 2:23:11
  an anile decision to be in the same place for two years in a road
• 2:23:15
  depends on how they were treated by the staff anile people, whether they're maximizing
• 2:23:22
  their value. But Michigan has had opportunities to land guys from the area,
• 2:23:28
  be it Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and they've not done it very well.
• 2:23:33
  And they're on the verge of losing Bryce Underwood and umber one quarterback in
• 2:23:37
  a twenty twenty five class. They already took a commitment from a twenty twenty
• 2:23:41
  five guy because it looked like things weren't going well for them. I've had
• 2:23:45
  people tell me that the vibe in terms of what they were telling quarterbacks was
• 2:23:50
  kind of not great. So that kind of rubs some people the wrong way.
• 2:23:56
  And there have been number of quarterbacks in the area and they've even in
• 2:24:03
  state and they've been whiffing. So they need to stop that. Maybe the
• 2:24:07
  next head coach, Tom Kid. Not only have they been whiffing on in
• 2:24:11
  state quarterbacks, they have been whiffing on grandsons of literally legendary Michigan head coaches.
• 2:24:18
  CJ. Carr, grandson of Lloyd Carr, is going to Notre Dame.
• 2:24:22
  That's not great. This is a report and sorry, we have been
• 2:24:28
  talking on the internet for quite a while, so there's probably a lot of
• 2:24:30
  stuff that has come out that I am just furiously scrolling through Twitter and texts
• 2:24:35
  to just see what's going on that we've missed. This is from Richard Johnson
• 2:24:39
  at Sports Illustrated, Richard Johnson and Michael Rosenberg. Richard Johnson, who talked
• 2:24:45
  earlier, has been pretty well sourced on the Michigan side of things. Michael
• 2:24:48
  Rosenberg actually Ann Arbor based, I believe Reporter Houston wrote for the Detroit News.
• 2:24:54
  I don't think it was the free Maybe it was the freak. Either
• 2:24:56
  way, one of the Detroit papers now Rechter Sports Illustrated earlier this week,
• 2:25:00
  during settlement negotiations, Michigan officials believe they could strike a deal with the Big
• 2:25:03
  Ten to reduce Jim Harbo's suspension from three games to two, allowing Harbaugh to
• 2:25:07
  coach his undefeated Michigan teams regular season finale against Ohio State. Two people familiar
• 2:25:11
  with that settlement talks tell Sports Illustrated. Then Michigan learned of new information,
• 2:25:16
  and the school agreed to drop its legal challenge and accept his three game suspension.
• 2:25:20
  A person aware of the situation says the new information did not directly implicate
• 2:25:24
  Harbaugh and an. In its statement after the surprise settlement announcement, the Big
• 2:25:28
  Ten reiterated it has no evidence that Harbor was involved or aware of Saffra Connor
• 2:25:31
  Stallion's a legal science dealing scheme, but it did lead to Michigan firing linebackers
• 2:25:35
  coach Chris Partridge. According to a person aware of the situation, Partridge is
• 2:25:39
  a longtime friend of Stallion's. The full scope of what the NCAA shared with
• 2:25:41
  the Big Ten is not known. That's where I'm going to pick it up
• 2:25:46
  with. This is why it's important to understand where sourcing is coming from.
• 2:25:50
  That's what's coming from the Michigan side of things. This is from the Dan
• 2:25:54
  Wetzel Ross Dellinger article on Yahoo. Multiple sources said that PARTRI is not alleged
• 2:26:00
  at this time of knowing about the advent scouting by stallions, but acted after
• 2:26:03
  the fact to cover up evidence. So that's the Big Ten side saying.
• 2:26:07
  And here's why, you know, I don't know for a fact that they're
• 2:26:11
  you know that they have a source dirrectly at the Big Ten, but their
• 2:26:15
  reporting has generally been from the non Michigan side of things. So if it
• 2:26:18
  is a Big Ten and Michigan negotiation and the Michigan side thing, you know,
• 2:26:24
  the Michigan side reporters are not don't have that information, and the non
• 2:26:31
  Michigan side reporters do. Well, there's only two people in the room,
• 2:26:33
  or two parties in the room, so I can take a relatively good guess
• 2:26:37
  at where the information came from. The There was this sentiment, this rumor,
• 2:26:43
  this thing being floated a day or two ago that this would be reduced
• 2:26:50
  to two games so that Jim Harbaugh could be on the sidelines and that Ryan
• 2:26:56
  Day was in favor of it, like he was pushing for this to happen.
• 2:27:01
  And that never made any sense that like why even involve Ohio State in
• 2:27:07
  any of this? But that was information rumors floating from the Michigan side of
• 2:27:13
  things. And it's so much of this gets tossed out there, and it
• 2:27:22
  feels like I think we've said it before in the three hours that we've been
• 2:27:26
  doing this, that these are hopeful tidbits being thrown to some people from like
• 2:27:33
  the very best set of circumstances is that this will get reduced. We're pretty
• 2:27:37
  confident that. I'm very confident, in fact, I believe this is going
• 2:27:41
  to happen. Where the people providing the sources are almost like talking themselves into
• 2:27:48
  being right, like I'm pretty sure, yes, this is what's going to
• 2:27:52
  happen, and then they present that to reporters and the reporter puts it out
• 2:27:58
  there as it is presented to them. When some of these sources need to
• 2:28:03
  live more in reality rather than the land of hopes and dreams, the wind
• 2:28:07
  and ghosts, if you will. And because we've seen so much information put
• 2:28:13
  out there from the people who are so hopeful, and it's all been bunk
• 2:28:18
  and debunked and continues to be such. And here's an interesting update from Pete
• 2:28:24
  Famill because I'm going to read you again the Yahoo reporting, the Yagura reporting
• 2:28:31
  says that Chris Partridge is fired when he acted quote after the fact to cover
• 2:28:37
  up evidence. Now the report from Pete Thamil per an ESPN source, this
• 2:28:45
  is the specific language Michigan used to explain Chris Partridge is firing. Quote.
• 2:28:48
  As we discussed today, the university has received evidence that you have failed to
• 2:28:52
  abide by the university directive not to discuss an ongoing NCAA investigation with anyone associated
• 2:28:56
  with the Michigan football program or others, and as a result has determined that
• 2:29:01
  you have failed to satisfactorily perform your duties. So that's an interesting twist there,
• 2:29:09
  because the initial reporting that it was that it was acted after the fact
• 2:29:15
  to cover up evidence versus talked to people about an ongoing NCAA investigation with anyone
• 2:29:22
  associated with the Michigan football program or others. You know, those are two
• 2:29:26
  different things. They do not have to be mutually exclusive. That those can
• 2:29:30
  both be true. That's you know, but that's the interesting uh, that's
• 2:29:35
  the uh, you know, that's the at least the current reporting on that.
• 2:29:41
  And you know, Pete Theammil, let's do a little media criminology here.
• 2:29:46
  Pete Themill's reporting has always has been throughout this probably sourced more towards the
• 2:29:52
  non Michigan side of things than the Michigan side of things, just based on
• 2:29:54
  what he's reporting when he's reporting it. Some of the reporting in there,
• 2:30:00
  you know, you can tell Dan Wetzel's talking more to the Michigan side of
• 2:30:03
  things. You can tell pet Themal's talking more to the non Michigan side of
• 2:30:05
  things. What he says is per an ESPN source, So this is not
• 2:30:11
  necessarily something that was necessarily given directly to him. That may have been given
• 2:30:13
  to someone else affiliated with ESPN, who you know, is you know,
• 2:30:20
  not viewed as an enemy of the state by uh, you know folks in
• 2:30:22
  in arbor right now. So just you know, this is this is just
• 2:30:26
  one of these things. Let's let's do a little media a little media class
• 2:30:30
  right now. Uncle Rico super Chat hearing from a trustworthy source that Parker Fleming
• 2:30:35
  may be implicated with Connor Steion's operation, praying it's not true and he has
• 2:30:39
  to be let go. Parker Fleming, of course, the popular college football
• 2:30:43
  stats account at stats O war. I can't imagine he would be implicated in
• 2:30:48
  that, but you know, you never know, never know, no time
• 2:30:54
  I have. I have nothing else on that touch on that one. Yeah,
• 2:30:58
  thank you. I'm trying to as you're reading one thing, I'm looking
• 2:31:01
  at another thing, and I'm missing everything you're reading, and then I'm trying
• 2:31:05
  to catch back up. It's like I'm back in like art history one fifty
• 2:31:09
  two or something, and stuff is happening. Is I'm following the lecture and
• 2:31:13
  reading and this is I think, is there a chance that we're done?
• 2:31:22
  Or is there still yet? A Friday Friday five pm, there's dumb.
• 2:31:28
  I I was just looking at the clock hitting two hours and thirty minutes and
• 2:31:31
  thinking, boy, this feels like we've been talking about this for a while.
• 2:31:33
  Oh turns out turns out we have yes, so we will. Yeah,
• 2:31:37
  what level of confidence that you have that we're not back on here at
• 2:31:41
  some point tonight with some new crazy I mean, like this feels like this
• 2:31:48
  is some kind of a conclusion, like it's the you know, we sort
• 2:31:52
  of close the loop on the thing from Thursday. But you know, yesterday
• 2:31:58
  I would have said like, well, you know, there was other stuff
• 2:32:03
  sort of floating. There was other smoke in terms of like, hey,
• 2:32:07
  Michigan assistants maybe involved kind of thing coming from the Michigan side. There was
• 2:32:11
  you know, what is Pete Hamill doing kind of stuff coming from the non
• 2:32:13
  Michigan side. Maybe we've kind of closed the loop here at least for the
• 2:32:20
  short to medium term. But you know, when do you do a when
• 2:32:24
  do you do a dump? A news dump Tony when you have news you
• 2:32:28
  don't want, you know, when you have news you don't want a lot
• 2:32:31
  of attention on Friday five pm, Well, it's two forty one on the
• 2:32:35
  East coast right now. So I'm thinking we can we call it here just
• 2:32:41
  so that we're not still on when it gets dumped and then we're like,
• 2:32:45
  oh, now we've got to go another three hours and it's gonna be like
• 2:32:46
  a twelve hour live stream. Can we can we call it now? Can
• 2:32:52
  I finally go my lunch that was interrupted because of this home Michigan thing.
• 2:32:58
  Yeah, I think I think we can probably wrap right now, But before
• 2:33:01
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  seven pushing seven thousand posts in the thread on this whole thing and more every
• 2:35:05
  day. I have not looked into and a half hour, so I assume
• 2:35:07
  I don't know. Maybe it's twelve thousand now, I don't know. Some
• 2:35:09
  stuff has been going on. So okay, I think that's it, Tony.
• 2:35:13
  I think I have said all of the words thank you, and I
• 2:35:16
  saw a mention of the Bold Predictions. We did drop a Bold Predictions show
• 2:35:20
  on Thursday, so you can find that it's a real live show with real
• 2:35:26
  live feelings, angst and anger about Ohio State and Minnesota. Who they play
• 2:35:31
  this week? If no, Dave, Okay, stay love you cowards.
• 2:35:37
  We have done a three hour show after like one of the Bowld games,
• 2:35:41
  maybe after the before the Georgia game, after the Georgia game, somewhere in
• 2:35:46
  Miami or something the day after perhaps for this was that was after the Rose
• 2:35:50
  That was after the Rose Bowl. We were in the hotel at the La
• 2:35:54
  Accent. It was like, well, we got nothing better to do and
• 2:35:56
  did like a three hour live show. So yeah, I have a feel
• 2:36:00
  Tony. We may have additional content coming for the Good People next week,
• 2:36:03
  in which we will be talking about Michigan, but possibly in a slightly different
• 2:36:07
  context at least some of the time. Some of the time, I feel
• 2:36:09
  like Ferris Bueler at this point, go home. There's nothing left at this
• 2:36:15
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