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S01E12: The Renaud & Papi Diaspora: Greubel Forsey, the Grönefelds, and the French Sleeping Giant Almost Nobody Talks About · What's on Your Riste? A Watch Podcast

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It's the late 1990's, the Lochla, Switzerland, a small
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workshop in a town most Americans couldn't find on a
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map. Inside that workshop, working on
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grand complications and minute repeaters and turbians and
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perpetual calendars, there's this handful of young
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watchmakers, and they're sitting adjacent on some benches.
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Some of them are in their 20s. Some of them are in their 30s,
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most of them are broke, none of them are famous.
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And in about 20 years, the watches built by the people in
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that workshop will sell for the price of a house, price of three
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houses, and then the price of an entire apartment building.
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And almost every brand you'd consider the names of modern
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independent watchmaking, almost every single one will trace its
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origins back to that single room.
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Now, the last episode I told you about a brand whose value lives
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in the significant part in its recognition, we talked about
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Rolex. This episode is the opposite
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vertex of that triangle. Three brands whose value lives
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in their bloodline, in the workshop they came from, in the
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names of the people who trained them.
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This is the story of what happened when that workshop
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scattered, hey? What's on your wrist?
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Calendar 3 Hander Stainless. Steel Welcome back to what's on
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your rest day. I'm Wachovsky.
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The Rolex episode landed harder than any episode that we've done
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so far. So, so thank you for that.
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The direct messages, the listener emails, just the watch
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friends that we're sharing it. It's it's been humbling and
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again, it's been genuinely overwhelming.
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We're going to do eventually, I think, sort of a listener e-mail
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mail episode, but I don't know when yet.
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I'm trying to to determine what that's going to look like, but
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just know that that's on the horizon now.
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Today we're going to do something that the show hasn't
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done before. We're going to walk through
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three brands in one episode, but with this thesis that ties them
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all together. So not just like 3 brands that I
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thought were interesting. Again, it's not going to be a
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deep dive in the kind of Chopic or Dornbluth sense.
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You know, it's think of this kind of as more of like, you
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know, an essay that that there is a theme or a thread that runs
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through all of these, you know, this single workshop again, that
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you've probably never heard of and three brands that have
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emerged from it and went in three completely different
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directions. So settle in.
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We're going to It looks like Lelock, but it's actually
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pronounced, I believe Lelock LA and good.
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Oh, good, good, good, good. Please, please pray for me as I
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go through this because if you if you came for the the watch
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enthusiasm, you're going to stay for me butchering languages.
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Let's roll All right, so segment one, we've got Renault and
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Poppy, the workshop that made the maker.
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So let me give you a name kind of depending on how deep you are
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in this hobby will either be completely new or will kind of
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need this explanation, maybe an explanation and 1/2 into
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independent watchmaking. So Renault and Poppy and you're
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going to hear it. It's it's pronounced better than
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I would, but it founded in 1986 by two complication specialists.
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From here we go right here comes a rest day trying to trying to
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get his French man All right, Violet du Ju, Violet du Ju.
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One of them was named Julio Papi and the other one was named
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Dominique Renault. And they set up this shop and
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it's in one of the, you know, the historic hearts of Swiss
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watchmaking. So the original mission was
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pretty simple. It was to make grand
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complications for high end brands.
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Now that doesn't sound simple, but the mission was we're going
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to make grand complications for these high end brands.
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We will make the minute repeaters, the perpetual
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calendars, the turbians, the hardest and most beautiful
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mechanical functions in watchmaking.
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And we're going to we're going to build them for them and then
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they can purchase them from us. OK, so 1992 auto Mars PA, you
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know them as AP they acquired this company.
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So from that point forward, Renault and puppy has form has
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really been formally known as auto Mars PJ Renault and puppy.
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And so you're going to see this APRP for short, and it functions
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both as a PS in house complications atelier and and
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this is kind of the most important part is this kind of
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this, you know, complication supplier to this to these other
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top brands. And so if a major Maison, for
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example, wants to launch a serious complication and it
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doesn't have the in house capabilities, they're going to
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go to APRP and they're going to reach out to them and they're
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going to say we need and then they'll fill in the blank with
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whatever they need. And that has been kind of the
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structure for the past 30 years or so.
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And here's a part that almost no one outside of this hobby is
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going to talk about. In the late 1990s and then into
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the early 2000s, that little shop in the Lochla with its, you
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know, couple dozen watchmakers became kind of the de facto
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finishing school for the an entire generation of young
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independent watchmakers working kind of adjacent benches in that
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period in various roles at various times.
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You had and and and no joke here you had Robert Grubel, which
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again, if we're going to look at if you're going to hear Robert,
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it's actually I believe Robert and then it's pronounced Grobel.
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So when you hear like Grubel Forzi in in the United States, I
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believe it's actually Grobel for seed.
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I think that's how they, the, the German brothers and sisters
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would say it. Now, you know, I could be
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screwing that up too. You're also going to hear about
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Bart and Tim. So you're going to hear about
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the Grunfeld brothers, right? You're going to hear about
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Andrea Steller. And so these people, if you're
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familiar with Gruble 4Z and Grunfeld and Steller, you're
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like, whoa, whoa, whoa. These are some, these are some
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heavy hitters in our space, OK? And they would design movements
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for, you know, or major brands around the world.
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So you're going to hear a ton of these of these brands.
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And so that's that's kind of what I think is really the
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exciting part of what we're going to be talking about.
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Now. There's also a Kasabi.
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You're going to hear Carol, for example, who designed what would
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be Ulysses Narden's The Freak. And that movement, again, the
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director is now you're over at tag Hoyer, you're going to hear
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about Anthony de Haas, who would later become the movement
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director at a longer and zone. And so that that group of
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people, they literally sat by side by side from each other.
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They ate lunch together and they borrowed each other's tools.
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I don't know if they actually borrowed tools.
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That part, that part. I may or may not have had some
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creative liberties in my writing.
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You know, they watched each other solve problems on the
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benches. They saw each other get
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frustrated with movements, for example.
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And then one by one, they would walk out the door and they'd,
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you know, they would go and actually build brands that today
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I, I would argue, define the modern independent watchmaking
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all from that same place. And so that's the bloodline of
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hot horology for the last 20 years.
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And that's the frame that I want you to carry through this entire
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episode. The skill is the same.
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Everyone we're going to talk about has the same roots.
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What's different completely or fundamentally is the philosophy
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that each of them chose to walk, walk out that door with and then
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build their own brands. And I think that's the most
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beautiful thing is that you can have people who were trained
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exactly the same and they can go and do completely different
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things based on their their background, based on their
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likes, based on their experiences, based on what how
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they see beautiful movements and what they want to see in the
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world and what they want to create.
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And I think that is so stunning. I think when we have those
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moments to be able to kind of witness that and the fact that
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we get to witness it now is, is amazing.
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So let's talk about Google 4. ZI would call them the the
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maximalist. And again, you're going to hear
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global 4C. And so if you hear me pronounce
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Gruble Forzi, just know that I did I did my best to pronounce
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them correctly. And so if if Renault and Papi is
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kind of the cradle, think of Gruble Forzi as the version of
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that cradles kind of DNA that decided to take watchmaking as
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far as humanly possible. So let's talk about that story.
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So, so Robert Gruble, which is again, Robert Gruble, he's a
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Frenchman. He was from this this place
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that's kind of like on the, the the German border is born into
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watchmaking. So his father ran a business
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called global horology, right? He he had the horology that kind
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of in his blood. And so Robert started his career
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at IWC working on grand complications.
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And then in the 90s, he actually joined Renault and Puppy as a
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complications prototypist, which again is pretty exciting.
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This is literally as they're prototyping, they're trying
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stuff out. Eventually he became a managing
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director and I believe then a partner and spent kind of the
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better part of a decade at that bench.
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Now let's get into Stefan afore see right the other side of
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Google for see, right, an Englishman, right?
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He's from Saint Albans, I believe.
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He studied at Wastep and the kind of that watch step, if you
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don't know WOSTEP, it's the watchmakers of kind of
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Switzerland training program, the education program that they
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have in Newscotel. And he spent the late 80s and
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90s restoring antique watches at Asprey in London.
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And so that's fascinating too. It's this very prestigious
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British jeweler and then in I believe the early 90s, like 92.
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And I could be wrong about that. So someone correct me if I got
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that wrong. He joined Robert and that team
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over at Renault and Poppy. And so they work side by side at
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R&P for I believe the entire mid to like late 1990s.
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And again, you know, I was in like high school SO2 watchmakers
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obsessed with the same question, you know, how do you make
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mechanical movements more precise?
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So in 1999, they both started working kind of independently
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and then in 2001, they formalized this partnership.
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And that was kind of founded and they called it Completime, it's
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COMPLI and then capital TIME. And Completime initially kind of
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started as this complications house and in the same kind of
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model as R&P kind of operated. They made complicated movements
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for other brands basically. And then in 2004 at Basel World,
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they actually launched their own brand under their own name.
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So you'll see Gruebel Forzy, right, Gruebel Forzy.
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And the the debut was pretty rad.
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It was this grand, it was a home run.
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It was AI would say a great debut of watches for the modern
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era. It was the double Turbion 30°.
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Now here's what that watch does. It has first.
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It has this first turbion cage. It's inclined at 30°.
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It rotates once per minute and then inside another turbion cage
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which is level and then rotating once every 4 minutes.
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So the inclined inner cage is rotating inside of the slower
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rate than the outer cage. The mathematical purpose of this
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is to average out with it with the errors, the gravity that
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introduces itself onto the balance wheel in different
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positions. So in other words, and that
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sounds insane, it's hard enough to get a single turbine right,
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but then to to duplicate them and then put them inside, moving
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at different speeds. They took the most complicated
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escapement regulation device in horology, and then they made it
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even more complicated. And in doing so, it made it
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measurably more precise. Now, remember, from the very
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beginning, they were, they were obsessed with precision.
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And that was just their like opening shot.
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It's like, hey, we just kind of showed up, right?
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It would be like sort of me starting a podcast and then, oh,
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by the way, I just got like, you know, the heaviest hitters ever
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in horology to come and be like, Hey, we're going to go have a
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cup of coffee and, and record that interview.
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It was just, it was absolutely insane, right?
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And so after or over the next two decades, Ruble 4 Z would
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patent what they called their fundamental inventions.
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And then they had seven of them initially.
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Now they have 10 OK. Each one of them is a major
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architectural innovation. They have a quadruple turbion
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with four turbion connected by this like spherical
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differential. They have this turbion 24
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seconds. They have that turbion itself 24
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it it completes a rotation every 24 seconds instead of the
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traditional 60. They have AGMT with this 3
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dimensional rotating globe at 8:00 and eventually, and this is
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what kind of the the watch for me defines what Google Forzy is,
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is they have the handmade 1. The handmade 1 is in concept,
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it's kind of a manifesto. It's 95% of the watch's
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components, including the hairspring are made using only
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hand operated tools. Now, again, tip of the hat to
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the dudes over at Dornbluth, for example, right?
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This is this is, this is their jam, right?
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They're not using CNC machines. They're not using any modern
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industrial production. They're using hand tools.
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Each watch takes approximately 6, 1000 hours to make.
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That's roughly 3 years of person hours per watch.
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And it won the best Men's Complication watch in 2020 at
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the Grand Prix, which is essentially kind of the Oscars
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of watchmaking pricing. Let's take a deep breath here.
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Let's just be honest about it. A group of four Z starts north
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of 400,000 Swiss francs. And for Swiss francs, if you're
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comparing them to the US dollars, that's really painful.
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A handmade 1 is north of $1,000,000, So just a standard.
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And I would say standard, right? Like, like there's a standard
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Google 4Z, but a standard Google 4Z again, upwards of 400,000
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Swiss francs. Again, when you're listening to
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this, it may be much higher. And handmade 1 is again north of
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a million. So they're not like aspirational
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watches. They're not even like
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aspirational aspirational watches.
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These are watches for people who money has like fundamentally
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stopped being a constant. And it's just like, I want
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something that no one else can have now.
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So why, why am I spending time on a brand that I will never own
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and that probably my listeners may not ever own?
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Maybe you do. That would be awesome.
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But the reason I'm doing it is because Google 4Z is what
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happens when watchmakers decide that the upper limit doesn't
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exist, right? There is no ceiling.
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They took the skills that they learned at R&P and they applied
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it to a question. And again, you know that I love
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questions. What if you didn't compromise
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anything ever? What is the most precise, most
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architecturally ambitious, the most hand finished watch that
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could be humanly possibly made? And that's kind of the
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maximalist part. And whether you're like ever
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going to wear one or ever see one or just even just admire
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them in person, just knowing that the brand exists is what I
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think gives the rest of the independent watchmaking kind of
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its ceiling. It's like they were like, well,
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I don't like that ceiling. We're going to make a new
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ceiling. What that does is I think the
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reason I'm bringing them up is because it brings up the entire
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industry. They all see what's possible.
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And so as a result, it's like, maybe we should do something a
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little different. Maybe we should try something a
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little different. And again, every independent
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watchmaker is going to be hopefully seeing this high end
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and then being measured against it implicitly.
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And So what is Google Forzy doing?
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They're doing something remarkable.
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Now I need to address again the elephant in the room because
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we're going to be honest in this podcast, in early 2026, just a
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few months ago, Forzy was terminated from the brand that
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he Co founded after 25 years. That watch community had been
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kind of processing and we're still processing that now.
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So the report structure is, you know, Robert Grubel or Grubel,
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he held the majority, 51% for ZS, 49% reports from these
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credible industry sources. Now, again, I could be wrong on
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some of this stuff, but this is where we get into some of the,
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the, the drama, you know, the, the television show type stuff
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that we can see in our industry. The the sources suggest that the
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partnership had been under this strain over fundamental
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disagreements about the brand's direction, possibly including
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the sale or questions of design strategy.
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And again, with a 5149% split, that's where the relationships
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can break. Math will typically decide.
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And in this case, it did. And if you go back to listening
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to the Chopic episode that we did, you kind of see there may
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be differences there. Now, I don't think obviously
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that the the collector world is going to go, well, you want a
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different direction. And they really got pushed out
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and they're not going to do anything.
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It's like I would be fascinated to see what's going to be coming
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up next, right as this person spins off, possibly they do
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their own thing. So again, what does this mean
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for collectors? Well, first thing, the watches
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that have already been made are obviously not going to be
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affected. The handmade 1, the quadruple
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turbion, the various double turbion variants, those are
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historical objects now. They will, I think, only become
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more important over time. Now.
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Second, the future and current or current and future
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production, the brand's direction is genuinely uncertain
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with with Stefan out now and Roberts in majority control, the
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next chapter of Google 4G is going to look different.
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Now how different, we don't know as as this is being recorded, we
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don't know. And that's kind of, I think part
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of it is uncertainty on their side, but also excitement on our
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side because we get to see what happens now.
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Third, this is the part that kind of matters most.
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Stefan Forsy is still Stefan Forsy, so he's still one of the
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greatest watchmakers of his generation.
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The bloodline doesn't care about ownership splits.
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Wherever he ends up, whatever he does next, that's going to be
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worth paying attention. And I think from my perspective,
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the community is going to be watching.
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Now, I want to be careful with how I say this.
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We don't have all the facts. So what I have just said here as
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information comes out and in the future months and years and
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decades as this sort of sits, just know that this is based on
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the best information that I have available at this time.
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And again, as things change, we can update show notes and that
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kind of stuff and correct. But I'm currently that's the
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information that we have now. Again, there's a lot of tension
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that could be there as well. And some of the stuff may not
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ever come out. I say that again, we don't have
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all the facts. We probably may never know.
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Watch partnerships are intensely personal and what happens
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between two founders over 25 years is not something for us to
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litigate from the outside when we know we know nothing about
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them, right? So what we can do, I think as
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enthusiasts is acknowledge that something significant happened
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that, you know, hold complicated feelings about it, that there
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are there are a variety of challenges that probably
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occurred. And then to continue the to
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honor the watches that both of these men made together.
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Now Google Forces catalog from 22,000 and 4 to 2025 I think is
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one of the most important bodies of work in modern hot horology.
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That's not going to change. But again, as we think about
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this sometimes when we have watchmakers in these spaces and
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some of them have aspirations that maybe the other ones don't
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or they have different foci for what they want to do, it's
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fascinating to watch as brands mature and grow.
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And I think. From the maximalist part, I
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think that's what makes this the first brand of the episode.
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And we're going to go start to climb from there and we're going
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to be climbing down from here. So let's talk about now in a
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different direction. We're going to talk about the
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Groenfelds, the, I'm going to call this Segment 3 the
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homecoming path. Now, second brand we're going to
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get into from one of the loudest brands I think in hot horology
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to I think one of the quietest, the Groonefelds.
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And you're going to hear Groone, Nofelt, GRONEFELDS, Groonefelts.
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And if you if you think that Google 4Z took their R&P
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training as kind of a launching pad, let's go to Geneva and
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let's launch this in Switzerland.
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Let's let's complicate this absolute apex of the industry
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and let's take Bart and Tim and let's go do something different.
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They they went home. So here's their story.
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So the Grunfeld's had a three generation watchmaking family in
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a small Dutch count town. And here comes, you know, we
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stay butchering, you know, countries all over the world and
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cities and states, you know, you're welcome.
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You get your money's worth right?
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Here we go. OK, so it's spelled OLDENZAAL
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Oldenzel. Oldenzel in eastern the in the
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eastern Netherlands. And so they're kind of again,
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near the German border, about 30,000 people are there.
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So the way that I have pictured it and I again, doing homework,
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you see cobblestone streets, see Dutch kind of Belle Gable roofs.
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There's a basilica from like the 13th century, right?
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And so I think it's just for me, again, fascinating stuff.
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So you have these chiming clock towers that are in the center of
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town. And so it started with Johann
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Gonerfeldt, born in 1896 in that same town, right?
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Became a watchmaker in 1912. Yes.
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And he was in his teens. That's what folks did back then,
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right? You got a job early.
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Remember those pictures you can see of like the three and the
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five year old sweeping chimneys with their parents?
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And he set up a workshop and a jewelry kind of shop in this
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kind of shadow of the the basilica.
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And critically, he became the watchmaker responsible for
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maintaining the basilica's clock tower mechanism.
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Now think about that. The mechanical heart of the
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entire town's clock was basically his bench for decades.
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And so when Johann died in 1974, his son took over Johannes
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Gonerfeld. He was known as chef.
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And so again, you know, Johannes, they called him Chef
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and he was born in 41, same workshop, same family business,
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same clock tower for three decades.
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And so Chef had two sons. He had Bart, he was born in 1969
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and he had Tim. And both of them in this kind of
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inevitable fashion, right, became watchmakers.
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And so now here's part where Renault and Papi enters this
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picture. So Bart's path went like this
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technical engineering school in Ozen Doll and then he he went on
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to watch Making school in Rotterdam and then washed up in
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Nescatel and then a stint at Osprey in London.
23:04
Yes, the same Osprey that Ruble 4 Z worked and then RMP in the
23:09
local. So working on minute repeaters,
23:12
chronographs, all the stuff. Now, Tim's path followed his
23:16
brother into washed up and then into RMP.
23:20
And for the better part of like the late 1990s into the 2000's,
23:24
the Grunfeld brothers were at RMP.
23:28
They worked on complications. They sat at the same bench and
23:31
then again, same, same bench that Robert and Stefan did.
23:36
They were eating in like the same canteens.
23:38
And again, this is not a metaphor.
23:39
They literally work together. They were, they're friends.
23:41
And I believe that they're all still friends today.
23:44
Maybe not so much with the falling out, but you know what I
23:47
mean. Now then, in the early 2000's,
23:51
the brothers, they went home, they went back to Olsen Doll,
23:54
they went back to their family workshop, to that town with the
23:57
clock tower that their grandfather had maintained, and
24:00
they started to build their own watches.
24:03
And the first watch was the GTM Dash 06 in 2008.
24:08
It was a turby odd minute repeater again, the most
24:11
complicated watch the Netherlands had ever produced,
24:15
€325,000 at launch. The brothers gonna Feld run a
24:20
Dutch national television to introduce it.
24:23
And then in 20101 Hertz is the first world's is actually the
24:28
world's first independent jumping seconds wristwatch,
24:31
which means that the the second hand advances one full second at
24:35
a time via this independent secondary gear train.
24:38
And it won the the watch of the year from time zone.
24:41
So think about that for a second.
24:42
You're going to have all of this crazy complications on your
24:45
watch. Typically as as watch makers,
24:47
they want their hand to smooth sweep so that everybody knows
24:50
this is an automatic watch and it's actually ticking 56810
24:54
times a second, right? And it's moving, sweeping.
24:57
These guys made the watch tick like as if it was a quartz
25:00
watch, but it was actually a mechanical watch.
25:02
And the engineering behind that is pretty intense.
25:05
Then they had this parallax tour beyond it won the GPHD tour
25:09
beyond award. But the watch that I want to
25:11
spend time on, the one for me that is, is kind of like is the
25:14
Grunenfeld brothers object. Is this 1941 the Roman Toira?
25:19
It's it was released in 2026 and the 1941 is named after their
25:24
the year of their father's chef's birth.
25:26
And the 1941 case is 39 1/2 millimeters.
25:31
It's kind of sinuously shaped. It's it's designed to honor the
25:34
small town watchmaking heritage of the brothers.
25:37
And the complication, this is the part that should give you
25:40
chills. It's an 8 second constant force
25:45
rimmentoire. Now a rimmentoire, if you don't
25:48
know what that is, it's a mechanism that periodically
25:51
retentions a small intermediate spring and it releases constant
25:56
force to the balance wheel that it will let the mainstream's
26:00
power kind of gradually fade. And what it does is it produces
26:04
an even rate. So mechanically speaking, it is
26:06
just beautiful. But what you'll see is this,
26:09
this on the dial side, something just remarkable you and it's
26:13
hard to for me to explain it. So when you're done with this,
26:16
just go take a look at the 1941 and look up Grunerfeld and
26:19
you'll be like, whoa, what is happening right here?
26:22
And so the inspiration for that Roman Soir, again, the
26:25
inspiration was this mechanism that was at the clock tower.
26:30
And it's been there since 1913. The same clock tower that, you
26:34
know, Johann had maintained as a young man.
26:36
The same clock tower that Barton Tim grew up hearing chime every
26:40
quarter hour. The same clock tower that their
26:43
father Seth had continued to maintain into his 80's.
26:47
The 1941 Roman Soir is in essence a wristwatch homage to
26:52
the family's century long relationship with that small
26:55
Duchess Dutch towns church belt. And that should bring chills to
26:58
you. It's remarkable.
27:02
And the watch, I think that won the GPHG Men's Watch prize in
27:06
2016. The hobby paid attention.
27:09
And since then, the brothers have expanded the 1941 case into
27:13
more accessible formats. Like there's the 1941 Principia,
27:18
and it's an automatic version of the the case that kind of serves
27:21
the brand's entry points starting at around €30,000.
27:24
And again, 30,000 is not cheap. I understand that.
27:28
And the complications can go way up from there.
27:30
So in 2023 they released their first chronograph, the 19 41.
27:35
And then they call it the Grono Craft.
27:37
See, they've got a little bit of humor, right, which won the
27:39
GPHGS chronograph prize. And so they just they just keep
27:42
winning. And this whole time, like the
27:44
whole time they've been working out of the families workshop
27:48
back home with a small team building somewhere in the low
27:52
hundreds of watches per year. And so recently they moved into
27:55
a larger space. It's right next to the basilica
27:58
and their grandfather's shop is still just down the road.
28:02
And their father in his 80s, still visits.
28:06
The Grunfeld's are what happens, I think, when watchmakers take
28:09
the skill of RMP and they apply it to a question with a
28:12
completely different angle. They took a different angle than
28:16
gruble fours, he asked Google fours, he asked what's the upper
28:18
limit of horological invention? The Grunenfeld's asked again, I
28:22
think I'm, I'm interpreting what is the most personal, most
28:26
meaningful watch I could possibly make in the place that
28:30
I'm from, for the people that I love.
28:33
So again, 2 answers, 2 completely different questions,
28:37
2 completely different paths, but the same R&PDNA that we got.
28:43
So that's kind of the homecoming path, and it might be my
28:46
favorite story again in modern watchmaking.
28:49
So now we're going to get into Segment 4, Picanet, and I'm
28:52
going to call them the French sleeping Giant.
28:55
Picanet is P/E QUIGNET, the third brand and again, another
29:01
brand that you probably haven't heard of and also the brand that
29:04
you could actually walk away with in a boutique or online
29:07
like today, and you're going to hear me pronounce them.
29:10
Piccanet. The French is Pequine, Pequine
29:15
Piccanier. Piccanier.
29:17
They were founded in 1973 in Morteau, small French town near
29:22
kind of the Swiss border. And it's kind of the historical
29:26
heart of French watchmaking. So again, under Emil Piccanet is
29:31
kind of the first sort of three decades and Piccanet was they
29:35
were respected French watch brand.
29:37
They used mostly Swiss movements.
29:39
They made beautiful watches and they actually survived the
29:42
courts crisis. They changed hands and they
29:43
faded somewhat. But then in 2009, something
29:47
extraordinary happened. The the owner Didier, he made an
29:52
announcement that the brand was going to do something that
29:54
nobody in France had attempted to do in decades.
29:58
They were going to develop 100% fresh to French designed hot
30:03
horology movements from the ground up.
30:05
And this was, and I, I want enthusiasts to feel the weight
30:08
of this. It was a national project.
30:10
France's watchmaking industry had almost completely been
30:14
hollowed out by the courts crisis.
30:16
The country that, you know, for 400 years ago had been kind of
30:20
at the forefront of horology and whose Protestant watchmakers
30:24
fled to Geneva and became the foundation of Switch Swiss watch
30:28
watchmaking. That country had essentially
30:30
stopped making serious mechanical watches and serious
30:33
mechanical movements. And then Pecuni decided to bring
30:36
it back, and they hired experienced movement designers.
30:40
They built a testing lab. They spent years, they produced
30:43
270, again to my knowledge, industrial drawings, they
30:48
manufactured 120 stamping tools for just the gears that they
30:52
wanted to run. They sourced 302 original
30:56
components in Europe, right? The the French and Swiss arc
30:59
that runs through those Euro mountains, right?
31:02
And not only outsource components that were kind of the
31:06
regulating organ which came from, you know, Swash groups,
31:10
never rock state. Nobody else in the world was
31:12
making hairsprings of that quality at the time.
31:14
And then in 2011 they, they released it the caliber or
31:19
Calibra Royale, a 31 millimeter hot horology movement with a
31:24
single barrel 96 hours of power reserve running at a three Hertz
31:29
beat rate and oversized free sprung balance gold compensating
31:34
screws, 318 components, 8 international patents and the
31:41
first French made hot horology movement in the modern era.
31:45
Peconi brought it to Basel in 2010, I believe as a prototype.
31:49
And the watch press took notice. People in the know took notice.
31:54
Then the brand went through a difficult kind of
31:56
industrialization period. And making great movement at
32:00
scale are completely different animals.
32:02
So making great movement people might be able to do that, but
32:05
making it a scale, it can get really complicated.
32:07
And you know, they got there. And so now where is RMP and the
32:13
thread that kind of reappears? Well, according to credible
32:16
sources. And again, this will this may
32:17
get corrected over history and may get confirmed or refuted.
32:20
We'll find out. Independent retailer write ups
32:24
and watch press coverage. When Pecone was building out its
32:29
movement design, they hired engineers who had previously
32:35
worked at Gruble 4Z. And the numbers that tend to
32:40
surface are two to three designers, engineers.
32:45
So let's we'll go with three, we'll say three former Gruble 4Z
32:48
engineers helped design the Caliber Royale and now its
32:53
successors. So now I want to be careful
32:55
here. Pequenes official materials,
32:57
they do not emphasize this. It's not on their website.
33:00
They haven't held a press conference about it, but the
33:03
claim again has appeared in enough independent third party
33:07
sources that it's plausible enough to discuss.
33:10
I think seriously and critically when you look at the watches
33:14
themselves, they the engineering ambitions kind of support it.
33:17
The, the caliber Royale is, is architected in a way that
33:20
integrates the case that allows such slim profiles and this kind
33:25
of this engineering thinking that comes from people who have
33:27
worked there from the very, very top, whether whether or not the
33:32
exact rumors documented. The evidence I think sits on
33:35
people's wrists all the time. If you look at the Concorde, for
33:39
example, I'm going to get into the Concorde, it it sits very,
33:43
very low and it it shows you that there was this attention to
33:46
detail in regard to the how how small they can make the re hot
33:50
in in the watch and how the crystal can get slammed down
33:53
really close to those hands where it doesn't look like
33:55
there's a crystal at all. So again, the the R&P bloodline
33:58
in other words, doesn't just produce and it didn't just
34:02
produce Gruble 4Z the Gronofeld and others.
34:04
The bloodline also produced engineers who after this time of
34:09
the apex, they found their way to mortal and they helped revive
34:12
some French watchmaking. And that is also what this kind
34:15
of looks like. Sometimes it's famous Co
34:18
founders, sometimes it's the engineers behind the bench and
34:21
sometimes you've never heard of some of these people and they
34:24
are just quietly carrying skills across a border.
34:28
So today Equinet has multiple in house calibers.
34:32
They have the Royale, they have the manual, they have 100 hour
34:35
power reserve on some of their movements.
34:36
They have the initial as well that was launched I think in
34:40
2021. It's a 28.2 diameter for Hertz B
34:44
rate, 65 hour power reserve and 72% of those components are made
34:48
in France and they're all made within like an 80 kilometer
34:51
radius of Morto in their in their workshop.
34:55
And again, the the Royal, they have a turbion, which is the
34:59
brand's first flying turbion. And then this is the part that
35:02
should kind of make you sit up a little bit.
35:03
In 2023, the brand's 50th anniversary Pecune launched the
35:07
Concorde. It's a cushion case.
35:09
It's an integrated bracelet and it's a kind of this like almost
35:13
spearhead kind of links and it pays homage to these obelisks in
35:17
Paris. So they have a 36 and a 40mm,
35:20
they have steel, they have titanium, and the Concorde is on
35:24
wrist, a quietly remarkable, markable watch.
35:26
Let me tell you why, Because the movement that's inside of that
35:31
watch is something that's not only in house, it is something
35:34
that was thought through. You can tell it wasn't just a
35:37
movement that was dropped in, it was a movement that was designed
35:40
and then this casing in the watch was built around it.
35:44
Pequine controls both the movement architecture and the
35:47
case geometry. And so they can make specific
35:49
decisions that the the watchmakers when they're buying
35:52
an off the shelf movement, for example, cannot do that.
35:54
Specifically. What I mean is they're able to
35:56
design A movement that sits unusually high in the case and
36:01
to design the case to bring the dial unusually low to the
36:05
crystal. And that means that in practice,
36:07
the re hot is is kind of ridiculously shallow.
36:11
And the hands in the indices appear almost flush with the
36:15
sapphire. So visually, there's this,
36:17
there's a depth of the dial that all looks really compressed.
36:21
And if you've ever picked up like a Laurent Ferrier, for
36:23
example, felt quietly, they kind of feel quietly, deeply
36:27
satisfying. But then there's almost this
36:29
flat relationship between the dial and the crystal and it
36:32
almost feels like, and it wears like a piece of jewelry rather
36:35
than a piece of equipment. And if you've seen these
36:38
watches, you probably know what I'm talking about.
36:40
The Laurent Ferrier achieves it through kind of this vertical
36:42
integration and obsessive in house design.
36:45
And I think the Pequine Concorde achieves that at the same
36:48
effect. But the Pequine is doing it at
36:50
like a tenth of the price. And I'm not exaggerating.
36:53
The Pequine Concorde with an in house caliber, its own movement,
36:57
French design, French source, hand assembled in Morto.
37:00
They start around like €4000, like single digits like and
37:05
again, they have a 36mm titanium Concorde.
37:08
They run I think in like the 4800 range.
37:11
The the their Royale, their flagship kind of dressier model.
37:15
They're about 8500. Now compare that to Google 4Z
37:19
starting around 400,000. Compare that to the Gronenfeld
37:23
starting in like the 30,000. Even with the the entry level
37:26
Principia. This is it's interesting.
37:29
This it's a watch that you could actually buy and they're a
37:32
little bit harder to find in the US, but they are available you
37:35
can find them online as well and the reason almost nobody is
37:39
talking about Pequine right now, the reason the brand is quiet
37:42
one of the kind of the open. I think it's one of the open
37:45
secrets in hot horology adjacent watchmaking is that they don't
37:48
have a marketing budget. They aren't doing again
37:51
celebrity endorsements. They aren't on the watch
37:53
internet's front page. They're a small French
37:56
manufacturer in a small French town quietly making watches with
38:00
movements that have, you know, engineering DNA from the top
38:03
Swiss watchmakers. And they're priced in like the
38:06
low 4 figures. And it's, it's again, it's, it's
38:09
one of those gems I think that people just don't talk about.
38:13
Oh, and by the way, they just, you know, threw out a
38:16
chronograph, right? And again, so again, this is, I
38:19
think one of the most exciting opportunities in this hobby
38:22
right now. And if, if I'm reading this
38:23
trajectory correctly, if any of you are out there paying
38:26
attention to where the watch Internet attention goes,
38:29
remember the soccer, the kids with the soccer balls and all
38:31
kind of stuff. I don't think Pequine is going
38:34
to stay quiet in this for much longer now.
38:37
Pequine's path is kind of the national path.
38:40
Take the path from the lock and Google 4Z.
38:43
Apply it to a country that hasn't had its own hot horology
38:46
tradition in decades. Source everything locally,
38:48
higher quietly from the top. Charge what it actually cost to
38:52
make, not what your brand recognition would let you charge
38:55
right, and put these extraordinary watches on the
38:58
wrists of people who would not otherwise be able to get
39:00
anything in that price range with this much soul.
39:04
The Concorde again, is in my opinion, one of the most
39:06
underrated watches being made right now.
39:10
OK, so segment 5, let's talk about, let's kind of bring this
39:12
whole thing together. One of the thesis is kind of one
39:16
workshop, 3 paths. So Google 4Z, they, we see them
39:20
as this, well, at the beginning we have three brands, we have 3
39:23
philosophies and then there's one RNP.
39:26
So Google 4Z took the maximalist path.
39:29
We, they took the skills that they learned at RNP.
39:32
They applied it to the question, what's the upper limit of
39:35
horological invention, right? They pushed as hard as humanly
39:38
possible, and then they charge accordingly.
39:42
They, you know, they built a brand around the idea that the
39:44
ceiling can always be raised, you know, just one more meter
39:48
and the handmade 1, you know, 6000 hours per watch north of a
39:53
million each. That's an expression of that
39:57
bloodline. And there's the Grunenfeld's
39:58
right. They chose to come home.
40:00
They took these skills and the path of R&P and they brought
40:04
that information back home. They brought it back to the
40:07
small town that they grew up in. They brought it back to their
40:09
family's workshop. And they make watches that are
40:12
inspired by clock towers that their grandfather maintained.
40:16
They stayed small. They let watches speak quietly.
40:19
And you know, the 1941, the Roman Toir, it was named after
40:23
their father's birth year. They have a mechanism that's
40:25
inspired by the Dutch basilica clock.
40:29
And it's in that that those watches are in their bloodline.
40:33
And then we have pecan. They they chose they chose the
40:36
national path. They took the skill possibly
40:39
direct from X Google 4Z engineers right put an asterisks
40:43
on there and they use it to revive an entire country's lost
40:48
watchmaking traditional tradition.
40:50
They, they, they source everything locally.
40:52
They build and they built this manufacturer in, in France in a
40:57
very significant location. They make in house movements.
41:00
They price them at a price that really shouldn't be possible.
41:03
And they put extraordinary watches on the wrists of people
41:06
who and otherwise wouldn't be able to afford them.
41:09
And that too, I think is the bloodline.
41:11
So 3 completely different brands, 3 completely different
41:14
price points, 3 completely different aesthetic and design
41:17
languages, but they all trace back to the same place.
41:21
I think all the way back they all end up in the same workshop
41:25
in the Lakla. They are sitting next to each
41:28
other eating lunch, borrowing each other's tools.
41:30
I think if they borrow each other's tools, I think some
41:32
watchmakers are really funny and so the skill is the same.
41:34
What's different, I think, is the philosophy each watchmaker
41:37
chose when they walked out the door, right?
41:40
The intentions, so that is genuine and it's under
41:43
appreciated and it's this structural truth I think of
41:46
independent watchmaking and it's has these implications for the
41:49
rest of the episode and I think for the for everything that
41:52
we're going to do moving forward in this show.
41:55
So when you wear a watch from any of these brands or watch
41:59
from any other brand in the R&P lineage, including some that we
42:03
definitely didn't talk about today, you're wearing a piece of
42:06
that extended bloodline. You're wearing stuff that went
42:09
through the lock, you went through sections of of these
42:13
other countries. And so I think, you know, if
42:15
you're looking at Morto, you're looking at Geneva, you're
42:19
starting to realize that this is this is not not recognition.
42:23
This is not the Rolex value. The bloodline doesn't show up in
42:28
airport security, for example. It doesn't get noticed by your
42:31
father-in-law. It does not in any visible way
42:34
exist to anyone except the people who know.
42:37
But it's real and it's documented.
42:39
And again, it's the spine of the serious end of this hobby.
42:43
And once you see it, you can't Unsee it.
42:47
Every independent brand you've investigated from here on out,
42:50
you'll trace back to some watchmaker's bench.
42:53
You will find the same names, the same training schools, the
42:57
same workshop, and the hobby starts to feel like a very small
43:01
and very intimate and very connected community.
43:03
And that's exactly what it is. And that this gift of paying
43:08
attention is something that you will hopefully be rewarded with
43:11
because it's something that I've been rewarded with.
43:13
And that's why I want to share it.
43:14
The the homework that I've done, I want to share with this
43:17
community. So by going deep enough to see
43:20
through some of these structures and looking underneath these
43:23
brands, you can see a lot of the connections that I think
43:26
sometimes we miss when we just look at a watch release.
43:29
So segment 6, I'm going to call this the what to buy section
43:34
because I think that sometimes that's fun or you know what to
43:36
admire section. So quickly, what to actually do
43:38
with any of this information. If you have Google for Z money,
43:41
you know who you are and you're probably, you know, already have
43:45
a relationship with this, you know, watch watchmaker in place.
43:48
I know for the moment and again, we talked about Stefan Forsi out
43:52
of the brand that Google Robear, it's kind of majority in control
43:56
of. So the next chapter is
43:57
uncertain, I would say, you know, buy on the watch in front
44:02
of you, not on the partnership that made it in 2004 to 2025.
44:07
Grouble 4Z's catalog again is going to age, I think
44:10
beautifully no matter what comes next.
44:12
So don't panic about that. The Gronofelds, they are
44:16
accessible hot horology options. And I say accessible again, air
44:20
quotes because we know how insane this this hobby is. 1941
44:25
Principia starts around €30,000. And the brands, it's kind of the
44:28
brand's entry point, the 1941 Roman Toir is kind of the sole
44:33
piece and it's, it's what most collectors would kind of point
44:36
you to The 1941 the chronograph is the most recent GPHG winner.
44:40
And, and I know my view, one of the most beautiful chronographs
44:43
made kind of being made right now.
44:45
But you know, there's wait times and there's direct ordering
44:49
potentially. And they're small production and
44:50
the brand is responsive. And Bart and Tim do answer like
44:54
literally their own emails. And so next we're going to get
44:59
into Pequine. Pequine.
45:01
And again, the, the watch I think most listeners would
45:05
actually be able to buy this weekend.
45:09
The Concorde starts around €4000.
45:11
Again, the 40mm steel variant, the 36mm titanium is a little
45:16
bit steeper in price. They have their dressier
45:19
flagships that, that move up a little bit in prices as well.
45:22
And they're, they can be sold directly through Pickanet's
45:24
website. You can go to Cornell 24 and
45:26
find some reputable dealers. You'll know them because they'll
45:28
be in that same area. And sometimes they, they may be
45:31
able to cut you a little bit of a deal.
45:33
And then just be aware of tariffs and duties and all that
45:35
kind of stuff. And they again, you can find a
45:38
small handful of retailers, but there's no wait list, there's no
45:41
drama, there's no AD relationship required, none of
45:43
that nonsense. Just just buy the watch.
45:45
And if you take one at recommendation from this
45:47
episode, if you go home tonight, sit at your kitchen table and
45:50
think you know about the watch, that's worth your attention.
45:53
I think the pecan a Concord is the one I would point you to,
45:57
you know, 40 mil, 36 mil, that's your call.
46:01
The 36mm titanium is the move I think if you have a smaller
46:04
wrist and it's slightly under the radar.
46:06
The 40mm steel is more classic in proportions and then they sit
46:10
very very flat. So if you have a you know,
46:12
smaller wrist, the 40mm is probably going to fit too big
46:14
for you. So I'd lean you towards the 36.
46:17
Now, if you want to wear the bloodline of R&P on your wrist
46:20
without selling a kidney again, the the pecone brand is probably
46:24
going to be the most accessible answer for you and I don't think
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they're going to be accessible for long, but you know time will
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tell. I've been wrong before, but I, I
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hope, I hope that they're, they're accessible for a little
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longer as people listen to this before, before people figure it
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out. Now, Segment 7, let's talk about
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what's going to happen next. All right, so we are going to
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talk a little bit more about a specific brand.
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Now there's one more name I want to introduce you to, and he
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isn't from R&P. His bloodline, I believe, is
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parallel and arguably possibly even more elite.
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He came up through Patek Philippe, then through the
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complications house called BNB Concept, and then through FP
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Jorn. He represents the other great
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training pipeline of modern independent watchmaking, and he
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deserves an entire episode, I believe on his own.
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He's the youngest watchmaker I've named today.
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Albanian by birth, a Kosovo refugee as a teenager, and he
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arrived in Geneva at 12 years old and he was fleeing war at
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14. He beat out 300 other applicants
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for a watchmaking apprenticeship at Patek Philippe, and by his
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early 20s, he was leading a team of 15 watchmakers on Torbians at
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BNB Concept. Then by his 20s, he was working
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at FP Jorn directly under Francois Paul.
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Now remember when you hear Francois Paul, that's that's FP
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for FP Jorn. And then at 25, he launched his
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own workshop in Geneva's Old Town and his name Rezep Rezepi.
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And you're going to hear it pronounced a bunch of different
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ways. You're going to hear Reccep
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Rexepi. My understanding is that it's
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pronounced Rezep Rezepi and it's spelled REXHEP.
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And then his last name, Rex, and the workshop that you're going
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to learn about is called Acrivia AKRIVIA.
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In the years since RIXP has launched, he's produced what
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many collectors and watch journalists believe are the
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finest hand finished watches being done by any watchmaker
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alive. He has pieces that are small,
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beautifully proportioned dress watches.
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They sell at auction prices that if you don't know these watches,
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you would assume it must belong to something that you didn't
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understand, that it's, it's really difficult to understand.
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You wouldn't recognize the watch from around the room.
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They, they're, they're, they're quiet, they're refined, they're
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deeply traditional watches that almost no one on the street
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would notice. And they are the most extreme
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expression of this bloodline that we've traced.
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So the next episode we're going to dedicate an entire deep dive
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episode to the zip his back story.
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And let me tell you, it's it's extraordinary.
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The aesthetic of a Caribbea, the collaboration with Philippe
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Dufour, the auction pieces, the wait lists, the fundamental
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questions his works ask, which I think is the most important
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question in what modern watchmaking.
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And the question is, what is the value of a watch nobody
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recognizes? That episode is coming up next.
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For now, go check out the Pecone Concord.
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Trust me on that one. All right, so that is episode 12
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of What's on Your Reese Day. If this episode maps something
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for you, if you can see the connective tissue running
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through these brands that you maybe didn't think we're we're
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related or unrelated, send me a message.
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I want to hear what you clicked on or what you kind of where you
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went down the rabbit hole. If we're known.
50:12
Poppy R&P, if there is an alumnus that we didn't get to
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today and you'd like for me to cover in a future episode
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because there's a lot of them, tell me which ones you want me
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to cover. To Bart and Tim and to the
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Pecone team in Marteau and to Stefan Forzy.
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I'm just excited to see what work is next.
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The hobby is bigger and richer because of all of you.
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I'm watch Offski. Take care of yourselves and wear
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something good, hey? What's my ski?
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What's on your wrist at Professional calendar 3 hander.
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Stainless steel on my skin. I want a daily driver, not a
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shrine. I can't fit in Casio on Monday
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morning. Zella's got me saying stop
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Topper Friday in the group chat and my budget just got dropped.
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I can't afford that till I stare at it. 80 can suck it.
51:15
I'm in love with a habit. Lauren's group chat going to
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make me broke. One more strap swap and I swear
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it's all a joke. What's on your essay?
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What's on your esty daily, baby? What's on your wrist?
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What's on your wrist? I just can't resist.
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Wash up. Wash up.
51:39
Popped out crown on the wrist. Third swap of the day.
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Yeah, I know, I know. Brown on leather, steel on
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steel. Then I change it for the show.
51:48
Got all my wish list, but I'm not acting rich.
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Ready, Bros? Gonna fry as if I call this one
51:52
a grill and switch. I can't afford that, so I stare
51:55
at it. A can suck it.
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I didn't mean that. I'm in love with a habit shot
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back in the comments got me losing sleep, but I laugh it off
52:03
because we don't take it too deep.
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What's on your wrist day? What's on your wristy daily day?
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What's on your wrist day? I just can't resist what's up?
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What's up on the crap wrist? Perpetual calendar, freehanded
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and a dream. Stainless steel.
52:32
A scratch or two still the king of the scene sells new drop stop
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that I click and then I flinch. Then I post.
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Just browsing and I buy it in a pinch.
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What's on your wrist, say What's on your wrist say Daily driver,
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baby. What's on your wrist Say I just
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can't resist. What's up?
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What's up on the crap? What's on your wrist?
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What's on your wrist? What's on your wrist What's on
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your wrist going to make me broke again.
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What's on your wrist? Say hey, what's on your wrist?
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What's up, ski? Let's go.
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We don't take ourselves too seriously.