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Best of Chuck & Buck 6-9 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Oh, good morning, Welcome into the radio show here on
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  Speaker 1: this Tuesday. It is Chuck and Buck in the Morning
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  Speaker 1: Sports Radio ninety three point three k j R F
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  Speaker 1: m Ashley Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: Is he here. My name is Chuck Powell.
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  Speaker 1: It is great to have you with us here on
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  Speaker 1: this day and for the next four hours. And my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: is there a lot to discuss today. There's too much
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  Speaker 1: to discuss. I could not fit it all in to
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  Speaker 1: a four hour radio show. There's too much.
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  Speaker 5: I guess we're gonna have to go all day.
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  Speaker 2: It's just yeah, I will.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we will alert everybody else, learn everyone else to
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  Speaker 1: come in. Yeah, twelve hours of broadcasting today. That would
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  Speaker 1: remind me of the old days. Good morning to you
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  Speaker 1: welcome into the show. And let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: I think the best part about this job certainly has
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  Speaker 1: been that I don't feel like I've worked for a living,
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  Speaker 1: my entire life. I mean, you should feel my hands.
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  Speaker 1: I know you've never taken the time, Ashley, but they're
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  Speaker 1: baby soft.
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  Speaker 6: No, I never sit there in our post show meeting
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  Speaker 6: and hold them, but maybe I should start today.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, let's just hold hands during our post show meeting.
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  Speaker 5: You can just clasp yours in mine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I think we got interlocked. Okay, it was
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  Speaker 2: like seventh graders.
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  Speaker 6: He'll be like, yeah, see the show's getting closer, and
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  Speaker 6: that's what I want.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll actually creep you out.
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  Speaker 1: They've actually out women because I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: women kind of want their man to have like rugged hands.
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  Speaker 1: Like my father worked with his hands for a living,
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  Speaker 1: so we had rugged hands.
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  Speaker 2: They were tiny hands. It's like he juggled cabbage in
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  Speaker 2: a circus. They were so tiny.
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  Speaker 1: But so I don't have and I don't have big hands,
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  Speaker 1: but nonetheless they're they're soft because of a lifetime spent
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  Speaker 1: broadcasting and my hobbies writing books, and so I don't
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of hard labor frankly and so long
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  Speaker 1: way of saying that the best part about this job
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  Speaker 1: is that I've got to goof off for a living.
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  Speaker 1: The best second, best part about this job is that
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  Speaker 1: we have people. We have great listeners that tune in
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  Speaker 1: to hear our opinions. And that's awesome. But let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you about the perks.
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  Speaker 2: One of the perks about lurking at iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 5: I can't wait for this, Yeah, and that.
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  Speaker 2: Is every day all the free warm water we can drink.
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  Speaker 5: You got more of it?
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  Speaker 2: I want the now that we got YouTube, I want everybody.
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  Speaker 5: To see me show them how delicious it is.
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  Speaker 1: Delicious and satisfying and refreshing. I think refreshing is the world.
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  Speaker 5: Take a sip, let's see hmm oh, I could almost see.
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  Speaker 6: How refresh then just think about how great that's going
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  Speaker 6: to be next Monday when it's eighty seven.
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  Speaker 5: Huh and you're going to just take a sip of
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  Speaker 5: that warm water.
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  Speaker 1: Love coming to work talking for a living. Mouth dries
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  Speaker 1: out and you just refresh the palate with warm water
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  Speaker 1: every day because that's all our water machine makes.
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  Speaker 6: And people are like, well just turn the sink to cold. Well,
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  Speaker 6: we have like an actual thing that gives you either
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  Speaker 6: hot water or really cold water or in our case.
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  Speaker 2: Neat right.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like it's just like a glass of tasteless soup. Yep.
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  Speaker 6: And this is new, by the way, this is a
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  Speaker 6: new one, so we don't need to replace it.
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  Speaker 5: This is less than a year old.
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  Speaker 2: So warm.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, any sparklets delivery people out there, sparklets, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, well, I don't know if you've ever just started
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  Speaker 1: the day with a big giant cup of warm water.
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  Speaker 6: It's actually my least favorite thing on earth. I can't
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  Speaker 6: even handle it. When my water bottle doesn't have ice,
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  Speaker 6: the water is still cold. But when there's no ice
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  Speaker 6: in there, I'm like, oh, nope.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. iHeart. Sometimes I'm just like, gosh, you spoil us.
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  Speaker 5: Oh don't this water is free?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is free?
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  Speaker 5: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh stop, I heard. I mean you should I
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  Speaker 2: give some money back to you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, my goodness, they would actually like it
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  Speaker 6: if you would give some.
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  Speaker 2: That.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know a.
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  Speaker 6: Lot, but I do know that much if you wanted
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  Speaker 6: to do that, they would not turn it down.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing about my water.
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  Speaker 1: When I drink it, I just like I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be able to double as a bath. I want to
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  Speaker 1: be able to bathe in my drinking water, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we need to drinking straight from the hot tub. Thanks, iHeart,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad.
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  Speaker 5: I I don't drink that and bring my own water.
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  Speaker 6: And you know what, Sometimes I'll leave my house and
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, my water's not that full. Maybe I
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  Speaker 6: should I'll just fill it at work, and I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 6: I'll fill it here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sometimes it is cold.
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  Speaker 5: There is an occasion I don't want to take that gamble.
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  Speaker 1: There is a cage where they throw you off and
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  Speaker 1: it actually is cold because it's a relatively new machine. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it breaks all the time and you don't know
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  Speaker 1: when it's going to break. And I don't think it's filtered,
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  Speaker 1: even though that's the idea behind it. I think the
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  Speaker 1: filter always is malfunctioning, and then it just comes out
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  Speaker 1: as dirty brown, not brown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kidding. Oh god.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, check, I don't think you should be
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  Speaker 5: drinking this.
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  Speaker 1: This comes out as like unfiltered warm water, warm tap water.
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  Speaker 5: Seem you can't get that stuff here.
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  Speaker 2: You can't. You can't get that at Bonneville.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, that is right.
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  Speaker 2: Just one more sip and then I'll be ready to go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: No, you need to hydrate and refresh. Got a long
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  Speaker 6: day of twelve hours of programming.
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  Speaker 1: I love a I love a big gulp of water
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  Speaker 1: that almost singes your tongue.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there you go. See you are selling this
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  Speaker 5: all right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's get going.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot to discuss today, including the challenge
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  Speaker 1: heard round, Yeah, challenges.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there was the catch.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there are certain things that have been described
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  Speaker 1: with just you know, two words in the history of sports,
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  Speaker 1: the drive by John Elway, the catch by the White
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  Speaker 1: Clark in the back of the end zone.
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  Speaker 2: Well, later on.
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  Speaker 1: We introduce you to the challenge because we have finally
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  Speaker 1: reached the pinnacle of what the ABS Challenge system was
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  Speaker 1: meant to provide, and it won us a baseball game
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  Speaker 1: last night.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah I did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so can't wait actually to dive into that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, but I'm not going to start there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, there's so much to get in. This
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  Speaker 1: might be the only opportunity we have to talk about
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  Speaker 1: last night's NBA Finals, where the Santa Antonio Spurs made
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  Speaker 1: it a series last night by taking out the New
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  Speaker 1: York Nicks, much to the chagrin of all of those
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  Speaker 1: people that spent their thousands of dollars to watch New
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  Speaker 1: York at Madison Square Garden make history. Tim Shallome, in
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  Speaker 1: his gross colored clothing that he always wears, all showing
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  Speaker 1: up just convinced that they were going to win Game
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  Speaker 1: number three and be able to sweep away the young
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  Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurs, and the Spurs ruined everyone's plans in
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  Speaker 1: New York City with a one fifteen to one to
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  Speaker 1: eleven win.
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  Speaker 2: And I just have something simple to say about that.
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  Speaker 2: You got this.
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  Speaker 6: You can take us in a lot or take us
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  Speaker 6: a lot.
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  Speaker 5: You got this. It's okay, you can do it.
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  Speaker 2: I just laughing so hard.
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  Speaker 5: I know it's comical.
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  Speaker 1: It was awesome. It really it was awesome. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what, Look, I mean we do this as a living.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, baby soft hands, anybody that's worked
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  Speaker 1: talk radio, sports talk radio, I mean it's a it's
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  Speaker 1: a job. You're worn out after a couple of hours
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  Speaker 1: and we do four every day. I mean people don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that, but you get done with the show and
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of exhausted.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean it's not like digging ditches. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I realize some people have a lot harder jobs,
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  Speaker 1: and most people have harder jobs, but there is something
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  Speaker 1: to being able to do that. And yet, so there
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  Speaker 1: is something to putting your opinion out there, trying to
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  Speaker 1: support it, trying to be perfect with your wording.
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  Speaker 2: That does kind of exhaust you at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day.
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  Speaker 1: And yet, boy, I'd really like to see a lot
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  Speaker 1: more effort out of our analysts, and that includes some
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  Speaker 1: of my favorites inside. The NBA is the greatest studio
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  Speaker 1: show ever, But I just wish that we would get
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  Speaker 1: analysis from them sometimes and that the analysis would not
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  Speaker 1: be well, they won because they played harder, and they
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  Speaker 1: lost because they didn't play well.
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  Speaker 5: That's actually not analysis.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there is an element too, and I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: Draymond Green being on the set to be able.
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  Speaker 2: To actually give something of substance.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday that san Antonio did come out, Shaq was right.
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  Speaker 1: They came out a little more aggressively. They got Wimby
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  Speaker 1: involved earlier in the contest. They took the crowd out
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  Speaker 1: of the game, which might have been very important there
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  Speaker 1: in the first quarter, and so the crowd didn't take
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  Speaker 1: over the game at any point really, and that was
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  Speaker 1: a fevered crowd. I mean, I believe all of the
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  Speaker 1: guys who I like and like to love closer to
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  Speaker 1: love with Ernie and Charles, and closer to like with Kenny.
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  Speaker 1: And so they talked about this might have been the
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  Speaker 1: best environment they've ever seen for a basketball game last night.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously there was a fevered excitement for what was getting
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  Speaker 1: ready to go down. And so that can be intimidating, certainly,
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  Speaker 1: especially for a young franchise, especially one that is down
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  Speaker 1: or a young roster I should say that is down
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  Speaker 1: two to zero in the series and having to enter
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  Speaker 1: that hostile environment. And so credit to Mitch Johnson, Seattle's
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  Speaker 1: own and Wimby a twenty two year old leader, which
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  Speaker 1: Stefan Castle made very.
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  Speaker 2: Clear last night.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's the leader of our team, twenty two or not,
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  Speaker 1: he's the leader of our team. And they came in
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  Speaker 1: with the right mindset. They attacked New York a little
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  Speaker 1: more physically, and they kind of set the tone for
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  Speaker 1: the game. That said it was a four point contest.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Brown said after the game last night
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  Speaker 1: as head coach of the Knicks, another guy that I
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  Speaker 1: like and he's obviously done a tremendous job with that
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  Speaker 1: team this year. But he said afterwards, the first thing
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  Speaker 1: he's complaining about the officials, and he said in one
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  Speaker 1: swath and man, if Mitch doesn't use this as bulletin
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  Speaker 1: board material, then I don't know what bulletin board material is.
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  Speaker 1: And it certainly wasn't Mike Brown's intention. Mike Brown's intention
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  Speaker 1: was to set the stage for Game number four so
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  Speaker 1: that he got in the officials ears publicly to tell
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  Speaker 1: them about the free throw deferential. But how it came
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  Speaker 1: out was Mike Brown describing the game like, Okay, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, we played really poorly tonight, and secondly the
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  Speaker 1: Spurs they.
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  Speaker 2: Played really great.
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  Speaker 1: And yet I got to point out the free throw
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  Speaker 1: disparity in the second half, not even for the game
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  Speaker 1: in the second half, which was not all that outlandish,
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  Speaker 1: and yet I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Going to point out the free throw disparity.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way in an NBA Finals game I ever
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  Speaker 1: thought that one team for an entire half would shoot
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  Speaker 1: X amount of free throws and another team.
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  Speaker 2: Why amount of free throws?
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  Speaker 1: And it was a desparity, especially in the second half.
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  Speaker 1: But for the game, you know, the Spurs shot thirty
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  Speaker 1: two free throws and the Nick shot twenty two free throws.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's not crazy, right, I mean, there's there's
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  Speaker 1: a difference. There's a separation in a four point game.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can make a difference.
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  Speaker 2: That makes a difference, certainly.
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  Speaker 1: But but I don't think anybody that was watching the
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  Speaker 1: game thought to themselves, you know why the Knicks lost
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  Speaker 1: this the officials.
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  Speaker 5: No, yeah, I didn't think that at all.
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  Speaker 1: So Mike Brown spits this out, and think about what
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  Speaker 1: he's saying right there. They played great, Right, we played
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  Speaker 1: terrible and the officials were against us, and we still
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  Speaker 1: only lost by four.
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  Speaker 5: That's how I would take that.
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  Speaker 1: How insulting is that? Yeah, here's the truth. Neither team
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  Speaker 1: played all that well last night. They certainly neither team
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  Speaker 1: shot all that well down the stretch, and yet San Antonio,
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  Speaker 1: having built a lead, just showed a little more composure
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  Speaker 1: than what they've shown in the first two games down
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  Speaker 1: the stretch, and that was the difference.
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  Speaker 2: In the game.
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  Speaker 1: They started better and they didn't fall apart in the
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and that's how they won the game. Right,
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  Speaker 1: it's nothing tricky to find out about this. Neither team
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  Speaker 1: shot well down the stretch. The Knicks kept settling for
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  Speaker 1: three point field goals. They wouldn't give the ball to
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson. And I don't know why in the fourth
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  Speaker 1: quarter you don't give the ball to Jalen Brunson every time,
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  Speaker 1: because he makes every shot in the fourth quarter, every
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter, that guy makes every shot.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like that he takes. And yet we're going to.
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  Speaker 1: Spread the ball around the court and hoist up twenty
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  Speaker 1: five foot shots that were not making consistently. But the
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  Speaker 1: Spurs didn't make their three point field goals either.
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  Speaker 2: In the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 6: I was yelling that why are he's shooting three pointers?
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  Speaker 6: Just go drive to the basket. You're already up.
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  Speaker 5: You don't need three.
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  Speaker 1: Neither team played a great game last night, but San
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  Speaker 1: Antonio play a little bit better of a game. And
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  Speaker 1: because they built up a lead in the third quarter,
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  Speaker 1: they were able to hold on and they hit some
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  Speaker 1: clutch free throws down the stretch, which is what you
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  Speaker 1: have to do in a game like that. And the
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  Speaker 1: Knicks didn't make their shots coming down the stretch from
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  Speaker 1: anybody else not named Brunson.
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  Speaker 2: And there's your four point difference.
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  Speaker 6: Well, San Antonio didn't shoot themselves in the foot like
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  Speaker 6: they did in Game two. I mean, the reason they
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  Speaker 6: lost that game in Game two was because Wemby throws
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  Speaker 6: into the castles back and it's a turnover.
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  Speaker 5: If they don't do that, they probably win that game.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the difference. I mean, it was.
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  Speaker 5: The better care of the ball yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Who is under the impression that the Spurs aren't any
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  Speaker 1: good all of a sudden, all right, And this is
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  Speaker 1: what we got from our top analysts in the field
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  Speaker 1: last night. One team played really well and the other
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  Speaker 1: team played poorly. No, that's not true at all. That's
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  Speaker 1: bad analysis. Neither team played their a game, and the
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  Speaker 1: Spurs played a little bit better. And because they took
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  Speaker 1: the crowd out of the game early, credit to them.
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  Speaker 2: They played more aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: They learned their lessons from games one and two, so
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  Speaker 1: they weren't the pushover that they've been in the fourth
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  Speaker 1: quarter of the last couple of games. And they won
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  Speaker 1: the game. And they could very easily win game number
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  Speaker 1: four too. You want to know why, Because they're more talented.
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  Speaker 1: The Knicks are playing better basketball right now, better team basketball,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that they've earned the right to be
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  Speaker 1: called the favorites going the rest of the way. But
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  Speaker 1: we spent six months saying how much more talented the
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  Speaker 1: Spurs are than the Knicks during the regular season, and
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  Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, there's a mismatch. The only
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  Speaker 1: way the Spurs can win is if the Knicks played
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  Speaker 1: terrible and they played great. That is nonsense, That is foolish. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm more fired up for Mitch Johnson in the Gang
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  Speaker 1: than ever before. Man, do I want them to win
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  Speaker 1: both these games in New York and then finish this
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  Speaker 1: thing off in.
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  Speaker 6: Six Which is funny because I went into the series saying, like, okay,
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  Speaker 6: all that the job was done, Oklahoma City's out.
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  Speaker 5: I don't care who wins. I just want a great series.
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  Speaker 6: And I was the same way last night, like cheering
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  Speaker 6: so hard for the Spurs, and I was so disappointed
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  Speaker 6: when they lost in Game two, and I just was like,
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  Speaker 6: how is it that, all of a sudden, I'm so
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  Speaker 6: you know, adamantly you know, and vehemently cheering for San Antonio,
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  Speaker 6: a team.
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  Speaker 5: That I don't care about normally.
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  Speaker 1: Well, New York pumpacity is what that is. And for
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  Speaker 1: them to think it was over and everybody to show
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  Speaker 1: up like it was time to celebrate the championship in
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  Speaker 1: Game number three. For everyone to have written off the
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurs, I find silly. I had to hear
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: a conversation about that yesterday May yesterday on the drive end.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: No chance, Yeah, they have.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: No chance to come back, Like what are.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: You talking about?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Number one, don't ever speak in absolutes about sports or
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: pretty much anything else.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: That's a fool who speaks in absolutes.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And secondly, have you forgotten the analysis of the last
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: four or five months of the basketball season. I mean,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the Spurs have the best player. Jalen Brunson's an assassin.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I love that guy, but he can't do what Wimby
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: does on both ms on the floor, and usually the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: team with the best player wins the series. Now, he
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: plays poorly and Jalen Brunson plays phenomenally tight turns, and
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the Knicks can certainly win this, and the Knicks probably
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: are going to win this with their two to one
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: edge over a young franchise that doesn't yet know how
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to finish. But anybody that is surprised that the San
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs pulled out a win last night, I find
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: that comical. Because we just spent four months talking about
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: how much that this is a whoever comes out of
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the West is going to win the NBA Finals.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: The Knicks got hot at the right time.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I give them all the credit in the world, and
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: like I said, I think they probably are still going
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to hold on and win this championship.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: And I got no problem with that.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: But I do have problem with analysis at the end
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: of a four point game in Game three of the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: NBA Finals, when one team that wins is more talented
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: than the other, and the analysis is the only way
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that happened is that the Knicks played crappy and the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Spurs played great. Neither of those things are true. The
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Knicks played okay and the Spurs played a little bit
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: better than okay.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And that's usually what happens in a four point.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: Deficit, right I was gonna say, if one team played
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: great and the other played crappy, it's going to be
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: a blowout.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: That's usually how that works.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: And it is interesting because with this, you know, with
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: everybody saying that the West that the Western Conference Finals
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: was the was the NBA Finals and that was the
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: real matchup, and then it was like, well, wait a minute,
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: here's this team that hasn't lost and they're great, and
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: everybody kind of was not discounting the Knicks but any means.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: But I was listening to someone the other day or
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: yesterday say, well, they there's no way that you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, everybody's forgotten about the Knicks, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: now you know that they don't have a chance. Look,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: they're up two games to none. They've got this and
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: and it, and we're forgetting that the Eastern Conference is good? Well,
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: what about the argument that the Knicks kind of rolled
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: over everyone and that's why that they got so much rest,
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: because the Eastern Conference wasn't as good and the Western
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Conference had the battle, and that's why the Spurs might
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: have been a little tired in game one and they
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: might have been a little out of sorts. And so
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: I'm excited to see what happens now that the Spurs
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: are back in a rhythm.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: rest of the show.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: What's on TEP?
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: What's on TEP?
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: All right?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: One fifteen one to eleven.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Spurs went over the next last night, so San Antonio
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: cuts the lead to two to one. Game three will
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: be played Wednesday at Madison Square Garden Stanley Cup Final,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: which hockey fans are trying to get everybody's attention by saying,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: you don't understand how great this hockey is that's being
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: played in the Stanley Cup Final. Summer call at the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: best actual hockey that they've seen in the Stanley Cup
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Final in quite some time. Well, Carolina and Vegas will
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: do it again tonight, game number four. They'll drop the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: puck at five o'clock. It's in Vegas, with Vegas up
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to games to one. It's World Cup week, so that's
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: something that we're going to celebrate. We're just one sleep
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: away from the first World Cup game of World Cup season,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: and we are going to celebrate that with a round
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of sup with you a little bit later on in
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the show. Today, seahawks s mandatory Mini Camp gets started today.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: We are dealing with our Seahawks one series again today
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and throughout the month of June, one analyst breaking down
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: one key Seahawk player for one entire interview. For whatever reason,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: every single one of our analysts, and this is something
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: that should be studied by science, wants to be on
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: at eight o'clock.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: It really is I they get options, because that's not
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: the plan.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: And yet every single one of them we've done is
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: at eight o'clock. Robert Turbin will join us today at
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: eight o'clock and he will probably choose a running back,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: but we'll find out at eight o'clock today. Brendan Soorsby's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: decision came in yesterday. It has rocked college athletics. We
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: will have to find some time to talk about this.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: If you're not going to be suspended for gambling wildly
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: on college football, even your own team, then what would
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: it take to be kicked out of college athletics? Apparently
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: now it's just open season and it has a lot
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of people thinking this could be the death nail to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: college athletics.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Or maybe that's just overreaction in the moment. We'll see.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about a little bit later on this hour.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: College World Series. The Elite eight is now set for Omaho,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: and that will be again on Friday. We do have
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to have, whether Bucky's here or not, our annual conversation
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: with Kyle Peterson, the face of the city of Omaha.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: We'll do that a little later on in the week.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: And Mariners, a lot of Mariners news yesterday, JP Crawford
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: placed on on the injury list, and if that wasn't
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: bad enough, then we found out right before the game
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Colt Emerson strained his back taking grounders, and so we
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: were down two shortstops yesterday, had to activate Ryan Bliss
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and move Cole Young over to shortstop to play for
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the game. I don't know how serious Colt Emerson's back
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: injury is, but we do know JP's out for at
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: least ten days.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So yeah, all that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Kind of snuck up on us, and yet the team
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: still found a way to win last night, six to three.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: We'll chat with Ryan Healey today at nine o'clock. Coming
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: up next Mariners Morning after, we'll recap the game that
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: might forever be known as the Challenge. Sports Radio ninety
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: three point three KJRFM tyan.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Run at to play with one out of the eighth.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Deep centerfield, Juli y'all in front of the warrant track Ballpark,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: will hold it, Holiday comes hold play it second tripped
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: up in all that second, the run at home counts.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Bliss drops the anchor on top of a second. Alexander
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: is out.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: The tag got down before the run crosses.
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: It very well could have. I mean, how many close
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: calls have there been in this game? So you say
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: sync that up back in New York and the here
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: let's find out after.
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: Review the calls overturn, no run for.
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, what a turn Julio with a hose.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Too much to explain on that play, Let's just put
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: it this way. Mariners win six to three last night.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: The Challenge their friend last night, even though they are
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: terrible at.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: It, one of the best in the world.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, historically and traditionally awful, and the long history
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of the Challenges, they are bad, but last night kind
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: of saved. They're bacon a couple of times, and they
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: win a wild game in Baltimore.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Final score was six to three.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: They moved to thirty five and thirty two on the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: season thanks to Mariners TV Aaron and Ryan Rowland Smith.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: They're on the call, MS and Orioles. Back at it today.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: First pitch at three thirty five. They're throwing a left hander.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I'm warning you now. Trevor Rodgers gets the start for
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Baltimore and the Mariners will counter with Logan Gilbert. Other
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: headlines here brought to you by Frostbrewed Corps Like choose chill.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: The Spurs shocked New York one fifteen to one eleven.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I know how stunning it is for a better team
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: to beat the other one, but the Spurs do win
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: one fifteen to one eleven, and I really don't know
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: if they're the better team. The Knicks are playing great
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: team basketball and have been throughout this postseason, but they're
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the most more talented team, without question. That's what we
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: talked about for five frickin months for goodness sake, in
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: evaluating the NBA's best teams out there. So I don't
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: think too many people should be supprise eyes that the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Spurs actually pulled out a victory in the NBA Finals,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: whether it was at Raucus Madison Square Garden or not.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: So the Spurs are back in the series. They're down
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: two games to one. Game three will be played tomorrow
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: night tonight, Game four of the Stanley Cup Final in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas, where the Golden Knights are up on Carolina
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: by a two to one lead. And they are describing
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: this and when I say they, a lot of hockey fans,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of hockey people are describing this as one
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: of the best, most competitive Stanley Cup Finals we've ever seen.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: That's how good the game action has been to this.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, especially after the game on Saturday. My goodness.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Las Vegas, the Ace has beat the Storm
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: last night one one oh one to ninety one. And
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: also in Las Vegas tonight. I don't know if you
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: saw this, but it finished late. The Las Vegas A's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: played their first game in Las Vegas. And if you
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: thought Sacramento was a launching pad, fifteen to fourteen last night,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Oh wow. So they played in a minor league park.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: So Sacramento is a minor league park and people have
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: complained that it is too hit her friendly. Well, Las
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Vegas is even more famously hit her friendly. But they're
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: going to play a few games there until they get
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the big arena built. So they played there last night
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: against the Milwaukee Brewers' final score fifteenth, Oh my good
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: fourteen in the game Mariners. Also, speaking of baseball, JP
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to the IL Colt Emerson did not play last night
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: because of a back injury he suffered in pregame warmups.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And speaking of injuries, cal Raley is going to be
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: in Tacoma tonight catching for the Rainiers, So that's going
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to be fun. We'll see if they'll still be there
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: on Friday when I get to call the game with
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Riley pay Who knows. I don't think he's going to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: need as long a ramp up as what some are reporting.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: But if he is playing there Friday.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Fun, yeah, fun for you to get to see him. Obviously, Yeah,
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: hope you back with the big club. But I mean,
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: why not give the Tacoma fans a little bit more?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Why not?
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: Why not?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Also, College World Series the Elite eight is now set
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: for Omaha that will begin on Friday. Seahawks mandatory mini
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: camp starts today, and of course World Cup Week is
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: here in Seattle two days from now, two sleeps from now,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the first game of the World Cup season, and we
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: will talk about that a little bit later on in
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Even though I have no idea.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: How we're gonna find a way, Yeah, Chuck, we're gonna
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: find a way.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's it's by confessing ignorance. It's by asking
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: for help. They say that all the time. If you
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: need help, ask for help.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, don't be afraid to ask for help.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: We're gonna ask for a stupid question, right, And then
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: you ask a question and they tell you it's stupid.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: So we're going to ask for help a little bit
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: later on in the show on how we should cover
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the World Cup for you. So it's Chuck Powell, that's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Ashley Ryan with you here on this Tuesday.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Still no Bucky Jacobson on the radio program.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And man, he would have been having a ball the
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: last of a couple of months with all of these
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: juicy Mariner topics that we've had. One thing he would
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: not have enjoyed was me continuously questioning Dan Wilson's pitching changes.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But here we are, Yeah, love, and we're gonna do
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it again today. I know I just talked about bullpen yesterday,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: but we're gonna go back at it today and from
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: this standpoint, and I'm going to start off by kind
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: of complimenting Dan to a degree, defending Dan to a degree.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: No.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I know that's going to feel like it's out of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: left field based off of what I think you're braced
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: for coming up and what you've been listening from me
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: from me the last few weeks.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Of the season. But I will at least say this.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, the end of the day, we're looking for
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: positive results, right and we have a bullpen that is
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: third in the American League and fourth and Major League
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Baseball in tm e RA. Okay, we are third in
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the American League, so fourth and third in the American League,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: but we're only point oh three, you know, back of
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: first place. The boss, I think we got passed last night.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I think we were first place until we gave up
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a couple runs last night. So at the three point
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: one ad RA out of our bullpen, that's good.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: We are also.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Best in the American League and fewest innings pitched by
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: our bullpen number one. So you know, even though I
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: had a lot of problems, a lot of you listening
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: have had a lot of problems with the way that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Dan uses his bullpen.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: Got a lot of problems with you people.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have to acknowledge before we start criticizing
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that whatever he's doing, no matter how strange at times
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: it seems to some of this and I'm absolutely bewildered
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: at this point.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: By what he's doing.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: That they are getting results, and maybe those good positive
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: results are because of how careful they're being with usage,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and because how they're trying to steal outs here and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: steal outs there, and because Matt Brash is not used
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: on back to back days and sometimes not back to
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: back weeks.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: So whatever their method is, and I might call it madness,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: they are getting results out of their bullpen use. I
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: don't quite see it that way. I think you've got
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a really good bullpen assembled here, maybe a great one,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and if you would just use it a little bit smarter,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think that you would be having all of
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: this consternation day to day, week to week that you
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: seem to be having with how to use guys and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: win to use them.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: I think that's a fair assessment.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And I think the biggest problem actually is all the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: walls that they put up.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I had a little back and forth with Brady Farcas
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: he does that Refuse to Lose podcast, and he does
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: a good job any a huge baseball fan, and I
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: respect him for all of that, and I'm not using
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: him to point him out point this out. I'm just
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: in case he's listening, I wanted to at least use
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: his argument because he's he was defending on social media
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: last night Dan's usage of Cooper Criswell for two innings,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: when I spent a little bit time bashing that and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: so I just want to use what he said in
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: his his tweet. He was talking about what restrictions that
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: they are under and does he really, does Dan really
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: have any more other option than to go with Cooper
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Criswell for a second straight inning. Well, let's talk about
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: those restrictions, because number one is we've decided to go
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to a six man rotation. We've you know, put the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: piggyback on the back burner, on the piggyback burner, and
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that immediately forces us to be down a relief pitcher.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think we should be in a six man
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: rotation right now, but this is the decision that the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: organization has made. So we're already down a second wall
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that we've put up. And this is this is why
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: it's not as simple to navigate for Dan as what
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I think it should be. Starting pitchers. If you're going
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to go to a six man rotation, you kind of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: have to ask them to go a little deeper. Yeah,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and yet we've kept in place this eighty five to
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: ninety five pitches window where if you finish an inning
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and you're between eighty five and ninety five pitches, you're
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: not going to go out for another inning, right, So
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that's another.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: Like like Hancock yesterday.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another obstacle that they've put in place. I mean,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Emerson wasn't on his a game yesterday, but one run.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: In five innings.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: He wasn't bad, right, and he was sitting at ninety
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: two pitches, And we already know we're down a guy
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: in the bullpen, and we already know about some of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: these other obstacles I'm going to go through. You know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: maybe it's pushing Emerson into the sixth inning and then
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: having Chriswell, who we have faith to go more than
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: one inning, even though we don't with Brash, Spire or Munnos.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: We pushed Criswell now he could bail him out if
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: he gets in trouble. But instead Emerson's at ninety two pitches.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: We got to take him out, so they take him out.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So there's another barrier that we have to confront. Then
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: we have already decided apparently before the game that Spire
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: can't pitch because he's gone back to back outings. And
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I understand that. I respect that. I don't think he
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: should have pitched last.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Night, Farrer. We also.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Brady Brady applied it to Ferrer even though at one
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: point he was loosening up. I don't know if we
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: have to apply it to Ferrer. I think the dude's
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a horse.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think he cares.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: How many times in the roly pitches, Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that's playing with fire on my part.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: But okay, we're out. We're down Ferrer too, because he
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: went back to back day. So now we're down to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: five guys. Now we have five relief pitchers that we
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: got to use, and we just took out our starting
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: pitcher in the fifth. And then, according to the defense
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: of Dan Wilson, you can't trust mun Yokes after Sunday. Okay,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: so we're down to four guys, and then you can't
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: trust Alex Hoppey with only a four run lead. Okay, well,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: now we're down to three guys. We got three innings,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: we got three relief pitchers apparently we can use, and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: we have twelve outs to get and that's if we
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: stay in regulation, right.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: And so Criswell trots out.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: In the sixth and he just pitched the day before
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: two and he has a clean sixth inning. Now to me,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it seemed obvious Criswell comes out because he just pitched
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the day before. Rather than have him pitch another new inning,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you got a sixth inning out of him. I wasn't
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: even expecting him to pitch last night. Yeah, especially with
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: a lead. And and Matt Brash has not pitched in
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: a week. He's pitched one time in a week, one
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: time in seven days. This is another restriction that we've
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: placed on ourselves here. And so we bring in Matt
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Brash in the seventh to bail out Cooper Criswell, who,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, you got what you needed out of him,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and you got a chance to let him feel good
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: about that. He got back on track. And then you
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: go to a Bizardo or a Brash for the seventh
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: with a clean inning. I mean, is it against the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: rules to put Matt Brash in a game without traffic
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: on it?
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't think.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: So.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Something about pitchers, and I don't care what level it is.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: They don't like cleaning up other people's messes. And this
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: is the funny part about it, they also don't like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: other people cleaning up their own messes. I mean, how
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: many times have you watched George Kirby stand on the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: top of the dugout until somebody cleans up his second
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and third with two outs, because he knew I can
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: get out of this.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: What are you taking me out of the game for?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you leave every single practically every time Brash
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: comes in the game, it's to clean up somebody's mess.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: And then he had to rush his bullpen session to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: get into the game rather than having him ready to
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: go to start the seventh if that's who you wanted
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: to go to next in the sequence. And then he
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: comes in and he's obviously not warm. Because Matt Brash
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: has not had control problems this year.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: He was all over the place.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: He was everywhere with his pitches.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: It was so clear he wasn't ready to start pitching
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: live bullets in a major league baseball game. And so
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, you're like, oh gosh, and
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: because of all of our other restrictions, we now only
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: have one other guy we can go to who's properly
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: rested and ready for this game. So we stick with Brash.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: He gets bailed out by the Johnny Parade to challenge.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Oh thank goodness, we get out of that inning. But
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: guess what we did. We saved Matt Brash for last night.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: We didn't use him the night before. He's pitched one
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: time in seven days, and we were saving him for
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the Orioles on Monday night. Apparently, apparently that was the plan,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and we needed twelve outs, and because Brash had to
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: come in and bail out Kriswell, we only.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Got two outs out of him last night.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Those are precious outs when you are putting up all
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: these walls, all these obstacles of guys that can't come
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: in for all these various reasons, and guys that can't
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: go deeper, and guys that can't pitch on back to
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: back days. We're putting up all these walls, and now
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, though our best reliever available tonight
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: we use. We rush him into the game to bail
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: out somebody who shouldn't have pitched a second inning, and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: then that pitcher only gets to use to get Burns
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: up two of the twelve that we need, and because
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: we can't possibly put him back into the next inning,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: now we've lost that. Now we've got to get through
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the night with Bizardo. And it turns out Munyos actually
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: was available last night and so was Forrair, And yet
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: we dance our way around all these obstacles and I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: just think it's too much work. Like I think you
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: were just so over complicating this.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Pitchers want to pitch with a clean inning, Let them
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: pitch with a clean inning. Why on earth did brass
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: just not start the seventh and Bizardo not just start
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the eighth and Muono's does to start the ninth if
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you knew that he was available, rather than we're gonna
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: steal some outs from Criswell on Sunday blows up in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: our face.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Well, can we steal some more outs with Criswell on Monday?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, we could let him go hit the showers
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: with a clean inning and feel good about himself.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: But let's try to squeeze a couple.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: More outs out of him, and if he can't, we'll
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: use brash to bail him out, even though that's not
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: effective use of brash, right, And.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: So to me, it's just I mean, if you're going
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: to put up.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: All of these rules in all of these walls, you're
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: not maximizing the outs that you need from your best relievers.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: We do the same thing with Spire. I got news
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: for you. Spire is our best dude right now, and
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the idea of using him in case somebody else gets
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: in trouble and having him to come in the middle
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: of the inning and he might only need one out
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to get out of that inning.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: And then you're not going to put him in the back.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just a horrible waste of your best guys
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: in my opinion.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I think there are too many rules.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: We have a six man rotation, we have a starting
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: pitchers can only go to ninety five pitches, and we
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: have a relief pictures that are being baby to the
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: degree that they've thrown fewer innings than any other relief
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: corps in all of Major League Baseball. Pick one of
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: those three dan that you got to loosen up on,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: because if you keep them all then it's almost impossible
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: to navigate your way through twenty seven outs.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: Well, and especially if you're going to six man rotation.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: The whole point was that these starters are supposed to
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: go longer, and because you got to find a way
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: to help the bullpen and you can't keep their pitch
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: count and then also keep all those rules and.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Expect that you're going to get through it successfully.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I shudder to think what's going to happen to this
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: team if a starting pitcher really has a bad outing
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like an inning and two thirds and we've got to
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: chew up seven and a third.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Is that going to throw us off for a month?
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, exactly, Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. And I mean,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: your starting pitchers have been very good to great, Your
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: relief has been very good to great at times, and
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: yet we are having the damnedest time. I mean, we're
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: in June and we can't figure out where to find
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: twenty seven outs from our pitching staff. All of them
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: are pitching pretty well this year, and we're having this
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: much trouble from night to night. Why on earth are
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: we putting brash and spire in in the middle of
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: innings to bail other people out and then not maximizing
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the few precious outs you're allowing them to give us
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: every night.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: It's a very good question.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't get it, and it
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: was explained to me like it's very easy to understand. Well,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: then I'm stupid because I don't understand why they're doing
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it this way, because my way makes a whole hell.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Of a lot more sense, I would agree.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: All right, coming, I'm next on the radio show The
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: West World has gotten crazy here as of late, and
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: we'll tap into our Seahawks one series to describe some
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of it for you Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: But right now, your ABC's of the ms are daily
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Mariners segment. The alphabet takes us through a few different
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Mariners topics and we never know where it's gonna lead us.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: We left off of the letter M, and I think
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the alphabet has no choice. Simmy's for Munos has to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: be discussed. It was our big topic on yesterday's radio program,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: and last night kind of some back and forth on
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: X with a few Mariner fans, and one of the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: suggestions was that maybe, you know, maybe he doesn't have
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to exclusively be in the closure role.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: And I had said this yesterday that I'm open to
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: that right.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Now, and I'm I'm starting to feel like I'm coming
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: across as a munios apologist.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: That's not what I'm and that's not my ambition here.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: But I do believe that the problem with Munos is
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that Dan is using him as only a save guy,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: not even a closer. We only put him in the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: game if it's a save or if we're tied in
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the ninth. That's the only time that we use Andre's Munos.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And I went through some numbers yesterday suggesting, not suggesting,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: but pretty much mapping out as clear as a bell
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that when Munos is used in shorter rest, he's more effective.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, the difference is like nine runs per nine
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: innings effect.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if he pitches every other day, was his best.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: That's what you showed, right, Yeah, that.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Was his best. That's when he doesn't give up a run.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's better on no day's rest than he
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: is three days or more.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: And even on two he's better on no days rest
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: than two days rest.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm not saying to use him every day or
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: even every other day, because that, you know, those appearances
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: start to rack up. But there's no reason he couldn't
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: get sixty five to seventy appearances this year.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I think he needs to be used.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: More often, and so maybe that does lend itself to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: he's not just our only closer.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe we do have to use him.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: In situations just so he could get more usage where
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a save's not on the line, and if the next
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: night because you used Munnos and he's not available, I
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: have no worries at all about for air or brash
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: or fire saving a game for us. I mean, this
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: isn't like landing on the moon. They're very capable of
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: getting the last three outs of the game. But ideally,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I think Munyos should be our closer, and I think
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: when he's on his game, he is our most devastating reliever,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: and I think he's proven that as an elite closer
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years. And then I got this
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: pushback and it's only one person. I shouldn't give light
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: to this because I said, when Munos gets back on
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: his A game, he's back in the role. And he said,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I think you need to brace yourself for him never
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: getting back on his A game.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: For what What was the basis for that?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: What?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: What are you saying that says that he couldn't have
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the potential for getting back on his A game. He's
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: not throwing any He's throwing just as hard. His slider
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: is still unhittable when it's right. He's dominating right handers,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: and he's more effective as I said, he's perfectly fine
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: when he's not shelved for five days at a time
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: and then asked to knock the dust off and come
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: in and close out a game. There's nothing physically wrong
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: with Andres Munjos. I don't even think there's anything psychologically
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: wrong with Andres Munos. Andres Munos is a little bit
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: off his game, and that just is a matter of
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: getting him back into rhythm. And the best way to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: get him back into rhythm is to have him pitch more,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: even if a saves not on the line, and even
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: if it means somebody else has to save a game
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: in the process. I'm perfectly okay with that. But we
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: need Andres Munos to be good. We certainly want Andre's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Munos to be Andres Munos. Maybe we don't need it,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: but we absolutely Man what a benefit it would be
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: if he is.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely would be a benefit.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Uh and is for Nana boy.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: My grandma Powell was one of the sweetest people you've
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: ever met.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Southerner, Okay, yeah, and she only.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Got what mad at me one time in my life,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and that's when I had the audacity as a child
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: to take an well, wasn't an Oreo cookie because they
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: were never gonna buy top name brands pretty cheap.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I don't even think it was that. It was like
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: lydros oh. It was like a cheap a knockoff of
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: another knockoff.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: And you could drink it or eat it while you
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: drink warm water.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: They were like you know, Boreos or something like that.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: They weren't the good thing, but they were sort of
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: in the family.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And one time I I ate out the icing and
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I left the cookie on the counter and she lost
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: her mind on me. She went from the nicest person
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I ever met to like terrifying. And it reminded me.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I was reminded of that last night when Emerson Hancock
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: went off on Pareda last night like the Southerner sweetest
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: sugar pie, and Parada goes out there and whatever Parada
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: was doing, Emerson did not like it, and he wore
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: his ass out, and I'm like, Nana, Nana, oh, I
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: feel right at home. Parada must have eaten the icing
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: out of the Oreo Pareda.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: You can't do that, man, Johnny.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You can't eat the icing out of a Boreo.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: And that's the only thing I could think of, because
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: what on Earth could make the world's nicest human get
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: that angry with his catcher last night, but he gave
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: him a piece of his mind, and to parade his credit,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: he took it. You know, he didn't like it. You
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: can see it in his face. He took it, put
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: his ear piece back in and went back behind the plate.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: And then later had the challenge of our life.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then just won the day.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: All right, Seahawks One Series. Next Sports Radio ninety three
• 47:33
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• 47:36
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• 47:39
  Speaker 2: That's right every June, every day of June for the.
• 47:42
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• 47:48
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• 47:52
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• 47:56
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• 47:59
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• 48:02
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• 48:06
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• 48:08
  Speaker 1: It's Turbo himself. Robert Turbin now joins us for our
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Seahawks one series here on Chuck and Buck Turbo.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Hey, I'm doing really, I'm doing great. How about you?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: So I'm doing all right? Is it number one NFL history?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, will you will they make iron busts up
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: your biceps and put them in the Hall of Fame someday?
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if they're gonna do that. I've
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: got some competition over the years, but you know, it's
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: hard work, hard work. K's off. That's I can say
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: about that.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna get into our Seahawks one series player.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna cheat a little bit though.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Speaking of biceps, what was your reaction to seeing Miles
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Garrett joined the NFC West last week?
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Well, it was the shocking trade, only in the sense
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: that the la Rams were the ones that capture them.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: You know, I thought that the grounds making the deal
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: wasn't so shocking, but the la Rams kind of suping
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: in and getting them was the factor. And you know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: obviously they're trying to maximize the last couple of years
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: in Matthew Staffords and good on them.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl Champ Robert Turbin is with us here for
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: our Seahawks one Series today one analysts bring it down
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: one key Shawk player for one entire interview.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: So let's get to it. Who are we going to
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: break down today?
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, we've got to go to the backfield,
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: there's no doubt about that. And a guy that has
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: sort of burst it onto the scene last season, had
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: a nice year before the injury kind of gave it
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: away right there. But Zach Charbona is what I want
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: to talk about.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I love it. Well, let's get into it. Let me ask.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I think this is the big question, especially since we're
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: adding a rookie, which we'll get to in a moment,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: in that backfield to replace Ken Walker. But push comes
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: to shove Zach Sharbonay returns healthy at some point during
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: the course of the season. Do you think he is
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: a guy that is good enough to be a number
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: one running back for a Super Bowl.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Champion got Sharbay? Yeah, Yes, I do. I do. I
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: do think that he has all of the qualities and
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: all of what it takes to be a three down
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: back in the NFL, a three down back for a
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl championship winning team. You think about his run style,
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: it's physical. You can check that box. You know, he
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: gets down, he'll he's decisive. You can check that box
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: and got the good guys and things of that nature,
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: you can check that box. And then most importantly, you know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: you think about his ability to be able to make
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: plays on third down. You don't think Zach Sharpernau as
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: the most uh you know, you know him as a
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: large receiving threat, but he does have good hands, but
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: he can pass protect and if you can get a
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: guy that could recognize blitz you know, blitz concepts or
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: third down and be able to step in and get
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: it done from a mental and physical standpoint where you've
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: got yourself a three down back that you can win
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl with. Un So, he of course, in
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: my eyes, can be a number one running back on
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: a super Bowl winning team.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound sounded legitimately surprised. I was even questioning it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, how good do you think he could be
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: if he was just let loose and let rip during
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: a season?
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I think he could be a really great player,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: you know, I really do. I mean the Seahawks, over
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: the course of the franchise's history, he has always found
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: ways to you know, bring in you know, some all
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: time great running backs think about the Kurt Warners of
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: the world, and obviously the Seine Alexander's and you know,
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: I think if ken Walker the third would have stuck around,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: he would have been an all time great Seahawks. He
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: was obviously a Super Bowl MVP, not to mention you know,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Marshawn Lynch and other guys, and so, you know, with
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: more repetition and more opportunity, you get a guy that's
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: working hard and does all the right things on and
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: off the field, you know, you can become a great player.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: And I think that Zach Sharpe is on track to
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: be able to accomplish that.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Robert Turbin is with us for our one series. We're
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: talking about Zach Charbonnet right now, who is injured ACL
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: injury is going to be targeted for a mid season
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: return for the Seahawks. I think that might be a
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: little bit optimistic. How worried are you about that recovery time?
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: It's a little bit concerning. I tore my ACL in
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: January of two thousand and ten. I was still in college,
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: and the recovery can be gruesome, you know, just depending
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: on the severity of the injury and if there's any
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: complications with the surgery and stuff like that. I was
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: able to return to full speed in eight months. I
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: know guys are doing it a lot sooner now. But
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: I didn't play that season, and I didn't play that
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: season because I knew that I probably wouldn't be my
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: and I knew that I only had one more year
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: of college left and I wanted to maximize that opportunity,
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: and so I read shirted that year so I can
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: come back and actually feel like myself, not have to
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: wear the knee brace and feel super restricted and all
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: of those things. And so my only concern is that,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: you know, when he first comes back, uh, and he
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: takes those first couple of hits, how stiff does the
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: need get? You know, how explosive can you be a
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: on a down to down basis, on a game the
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: game basis, I don't know what kind of shape are
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: you going to be? And there's nothing like football shape
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: until you're actually playing football and you're in the game,
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: And so you know, I don't I don't know how
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: quickly Zach is going to be able to get acquainted
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: when it comes back mid season, But if he's able
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: to finish the season strong, I think the year after
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: is when we'll see the real Zach Sharburney back.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: After having been through it yourself. How important it is
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: is it not to rush it, not to try to
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: feel like I've got to get back for my teammates.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: How important is it to make sure that you're one
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: hundred percent recovered from this major injury.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: It's actually the most important part of it. And it's
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: it's so hard when you're an athlete. You feel pressure,
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: you don't want your job to get taken. I mean,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: it's just a different atmosphere, especially at the pro level,
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: and so guys make tough decisions when it comes to
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: injuries all the time.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: But the Seahawks. You know that I played for four
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: teams in the NFL. The Seahawks by by, by far
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: were the best in terms of, you know, ensuring that
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: players are taken care of from a medical standpoint. I'm
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: sure they're willing and open to practicing as much patience
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: as it takes in order for exact Sabinay to be
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: the best that he can be when he comes back.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Robert Turbin is whether it's part of our Seahawks one
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: series former see Awk running Back, and of course he's
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: got his feet both planet in the broadcasting world now
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: serious sports, CBS Sports Network. He's podcasting here on a
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: local basis, and we've discovered a really great talent here
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: for breaking down some Seahawks football, so we're tapping into
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: it here on Seahawks one series, and he's chosen Zach Charboney.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Of course, he chose a running back biased to break
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: down for us here today. And we got a lot
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: more to discuss about Zach Charbonay because ideal world Sharbonay returns,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you know, waits the full distance gets back, say late October, Robert,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: do you foresee Jadarian Price kind of just stepping right
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: into the Walker role and so it just turns into
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Charbonnet and Price at some point during twenty twenty six
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: or do you think that the the carry sharing will
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: be divvied up a little differently if in fact these
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: two end up being a two headed machine.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: Well, Jenerium Price has no choice to you know, to
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: accept that quote unquote. Kenneth Walker, the third row is
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: the first round pick, and so he's got some big
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: shoes to fill as the as the primary back going
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: into the season, He's going to be the primary back
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: going into the season, despite whatever mistakes he might make
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: in the preseason and all all those things, he's going
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: to be dependent on, uh, you know, to be the guy.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: And then when Zach comes back, you know, I think
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: Zach will probably get you know, minimal stuff. I don't
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: see Zach getting double digit carries right away when he returns.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: He might get five or six carries in the game.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: He might work some third down pass protection stuff, but
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: you know, don't I don't see his load, you know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: kind of you know, being very heavy, especially to start
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: now as a season progressive, maybe Juderian Price has to
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: hit that rippie on all a little bit. As for
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: that better in predence with Zach, Sharpernay really starts to
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: show up week twelve, thirteen fourteen, and then you start
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: to see still some imbalance. I think Darian Price for
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: the majority of the season will get most of the work,
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: but you'll start to see a little bit more balance
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: in terms of playtime between the two.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you bring up the rookie wall because
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: as you were.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Saying that, I've long expressed you know that I think
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: it's great to add fresh legs at the running back position.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: At the end of the season when everyone else is tired,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you get some guy back
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: from an injury, or you're traded for somebody that has
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: all the tread left on his tires.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could point out a list to you,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: but there have been a list of guys that at
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: the end of the year kind of took over football
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: seasons just because as running backs they were fresher than
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the defense. Defense is trying to bring them down. So
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: could it be a strange benefit for Zach Harbonnay to
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: miss some time and even though he's coming off an
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: injury by the time you hit playoff time, that he
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: might be the freshest.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Cat out there.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: I think that's a legitimate point. I think kenn if
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Walker the Third is a good example of that. I mean,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: you think about it. There was a heavy share of
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: time on the field and carry between Zach charbernev. Knderwalker
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: the Third, and at times even you know, just Zach
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Charbonne got the bulk you know, of the work in games,
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: and even though ken of Walker the Third may have
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: been disappointed in some of those opportunities when Zach Charbernay
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: went down. You can see the freshness that Knawalker third
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: had in that second half run, you know, all the
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: way through winning a title that he probably wouldn't have
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: had had he been, you know, the the number one
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: guy most of the season, he probably would have you know,
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: broken down at some point, not gotten injured, but just
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: not as fresh. So it could absolutely work to your
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: benefit where you're taking some time off. It's the biggest
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: thing is just being in shape, man, being in football shape,
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: and that's hard to do when you ain't playing football.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Robert Turbin is with us part of our Seahawks one
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: series breaking down Zach Charbonay. So theoretically, you know, Charbonay
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: and Price are the new Charbonnay and Walker. But Charbona
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: is not going to be available for a while, as
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: we've already discussed. So what do you know about Emmanuel
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Wilson and can he fill the Charbonet role until Charbonet
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: himself can fill it.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Well, he certainly has the skill set to do it,
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: and he wouldn't be on the team if there wasn't
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: an opportunity to kind of take that role. He does
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: have similar capabilities in terms of his physicality and being
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: able to get downhill. I think Zack Charbonet is a
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: little bit more elusive in terms of being able to
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: make guys miss in space. But Emania Wilson does have
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: that ability to catch the ball out of the back.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: He's got good hands. I wouldn't call him a passing
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: threat per se, but he's available there with the check down.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: He's a disciplined player. And so the only thing you
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: worry about with the manual is just the consistency of production.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: You know, there are times in Green Bay where it
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: was like, oh man, this guy's got a lot of potential.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: When then when they gave him a larger, you know,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: a load of work, you know, it didn't quite go
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: so well from you know, all the time, and so
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: you just hope for some consistency there sometimes of change
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: the scenery to be beneficial for you. But he certainly
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: has similar qualities to be able to step into.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 10: That role of Zach Charbagnet in the meantime, you know
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 10: this group, is there another running back that you think
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 10: is a sleeper in all of this for carries this
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 10: upcoming season, somebody jel you pick one from the letter
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: here that you think we might see more from than
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 10: what we are carrying on about right now.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: Well, it's gonna be a lot of heavy competition. There
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: always is if you go around the league running back.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is about that position, maybe
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: because if there's only really one spot out there, you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: know that you could trust, But there's always so much competition.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: I know a lot of fans, a lot of folks
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: really love George Alliane. He's one of those guys that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: it just feels like every time he gets an opportunity
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: to play, whether it's on offense or special teams, whatever
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: it is, he shows up. He's the guy that consistently
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: shows up. You know. Obviously he doesn't have the intangibles
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: from a side standpoint, but that doesn't matter. Darren Sproles
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: is one of the best running backs of all time
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, and he was like five six or
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: five to seven, and so you know, George Alane to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: me is another guy that I would look at in
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: that room and say, man, he could be a big
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: time player because of what he's displayed on film in
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: his history.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Robert Turbin is with us talking Zach Charboney here in
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: our Seahawks one series.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: So in the meantime.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, we know we're gonna miss some time with
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Zach Charboney on the sidelines recovering from that acl What
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: is it about his game that you think that they'll
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: miss the most is running? Ability, blocking ability, leadership experience.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: What is the thing that we're gonna miss until Zach
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Charboney gets out on.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: The football field.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I think he's an underrated playmaker. And that's the
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: thing that you missed with kenoth Walker the third It
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: was just like you almost didn't know what was going
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: to happen every time he got the ball, and all
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, boom, you know, he's down the sideline,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: you know for a seventy yard touchdown or some Zach
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: Charbney has that same sort of playmaking factor to his game.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: You know, you get him the rock, all of a sudden,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: he's broken a couples and he's at the third level
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: in space, you know, with a with a chance to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: take it to the house. And it feels like whenever
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: the run game may have had a slow start or
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: not really going well, it was Zach Charbonnay who boomed,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: you know, broke a tackling oh, all of a sudden,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: the run game. It got sparked because of a big
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: run by Zach Sharbonnay. So he's an underrated playmaker, and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: I think that's what you'll miss the most while he's out.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: All right, Robert Turbin, great stuff, man, What you got
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: planned for this summer? Going to do anything fun?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Well, we just won our flag football championship this past weekend.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: My son is nine. I coached the team this year,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: so that was a lot of fun. My daughters and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: Dan and so we've got a couple of trips down
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: to southern California because she'll be she's fourteen going on
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: like thirty, but she'll be performing in some concerts and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: stuff like that, uh in uh in southern California this summer.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: So we got a couple of trips to support her
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: and her dreams and things of that nature. So uh
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: a fun and eventful summer coming up. I can't wait.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: That sounds great. Turbin fan is gonna be busy. By
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the way, your guy Bobby Wagner got his doctorate. Apparently
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: once all his friends and family and and and others
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: to call him doctor Wagner. Are you gonna are you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: gonna do that? You're gonna fall in line. Call him
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: doctor Wagner from this point forward, I'm.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: Still I'm gonna call him doctor b Wag, Doctor b Wag,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: you know, because I still have to I still have
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: to implement the nickname. The nickname can't go anywhere, you know,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: So doctor b Wags. That's how I'm gonnapproach the situation.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Uh well, uh you you do you that's for sure.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: All right, man, awesome stuff, Thank you very much. We'll
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: bug you again soon.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: All right, all right, man, take care. All right.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Robert Turbin joining us right here on Chuck and Buck
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: in the morning. Good stuff, good breakdown of Zach Charbonne
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: there from Turbo. And we'll do this again tomorrow with
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: our Seahawks one series once a day every day throughout
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: the month of June. Coming up next, though, we do
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: have a baseball game to recap, and yes, I know,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: the catch, the drive and now the challenge, the challenge
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: that changed our lives. Plus Josh Naylor had a pretty
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: big influence on the game last night as well, So
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: we recap it with the Baseball Brunch next on Sports
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. All right, nine o'clock hour,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: and on Tuesdays, that segment belongs to former Mariner Ryan Healy,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: who of course is also gracing our lives these days
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: as part of the Mariners television team as well, and
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: so every Tuesday nine o'clock we get his thoughts on Mariner's.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Baseball and we dive right in here with Ryan this morning.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Good morning, sir, Good morning.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: How are we doing today? I'm doing all right. Actually
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: brings up a good question. Did you ever do one
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: of those dugouts standoff things?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 9: I was normally standing at first base or third base
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 9: ready to play ball, and there was always a starting
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: pitcher that had nothing to do that day that I
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 9: delay it a little bit.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: It's my favorite. Makes me laugh every time, do you yeah?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Do the players actually like it or do they find
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: it as annoying as I do.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 9: It's it's indifferent, okay, I can't say that. Like it
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 9: motivates me, but also like the pitchers live in a
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 9: different world. So if that's what their their goal was
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 9: for the day, then you know, go do it. But
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 9: them players, they don't.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: They're done playing with it. It's like an immediate ejection
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: for both pitchers. See you later.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Oh good all right iron, that's why they do it.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: Then they can go hang out in the clubhouse and.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's the strategy.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: It's a good point go golf with the guy you
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: lost to the standoff too. Actually, just brought it up
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: during the break and I'm like, I haven't never asked
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: for Ryan about this. I'm gonna do it to start
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: our conversation. One other thing before we dive into a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: lot of really meaty conversations we need to have today.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Are you doing the home run derby?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: They keep promoting it and Ryan Roland Smith's signed up
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: to embarrass himself, but you probably would stand a pretty
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: decent chance.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: And yet versus each you row, how are you gonna
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: fare in that scenario?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: If I beat each ye road, then this whole event
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 9: is a fail, Like this is each e Ro's game
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: to win at this point. I've seen him hit BP,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: We've obviously all seen him play as well, and he
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 9: was automatic in the five to six hole base hits
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 9: on command. But if you ever watched his batting practice,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 9: he can also go automatic home runs pull side, just
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: swing after swing. So I'm gonna have to really get
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: into shape and prepare for this to really have a.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Shot, but you are going to do it.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I'm doing it.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, good good. Finally might have some competition. Then we
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: needed some competition for eachiro. Define competition. Somebody that can
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: hit more than one.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take that. Yeah, all right, you can do it.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: All right, Ryan Eally is with us.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: We got a lot to discuss, including last night, and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: let's begin with you know, the forty nine ers have
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: the catch, and the Broncos have the drive, and now
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: we in Seattle have the challenge. I love the ABS
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: challenge system. I love what it's brought to the game.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: But man, Ryan, that's how it's used. Last night, Johnny
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Prada didn't know if that was a ball or strike.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: That was like, oh maybe fifty to fifty, and maybe
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: even he didn't feel that confident about it. And yet
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: the situation dictated this is worth challenging right now to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: try to bail Brash out of whatever he's.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Going through this inning. I thought it was that was
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: some great drama that we've never had in the his
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: three of our baseball lives until this season.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 9: It definitely adds a layer of excitement to I don't
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: want to say a mundane moment because a basis loaded
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: walk and a tight game is pretty exciting in itself,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: but the opportunity to change the result of the bat
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: after the umpire already determined that it was a ball
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: was incredible. I haven't seen Parada have as much success
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: as Garver. Like Garver is unbelievable. We have to play
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 9: with those decisions of when the challenge. But the fact
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 9: that Parreeda got that that sweeper up in the zone
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: that just clipped the top enough to make that strike three.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: Talk about just baseball being a game of inches, that
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 9: was a great example of it.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: And a wild night.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: That's two wild games in a row, and I suppose
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: doing baseball math, you lost one of them you shouldn't
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: have lost, and then you pulled out last nights and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I guess you'll take that. After two wild evenings in
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: the American League to go one and one, I suppose
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you feel okay about that.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: I'm curious the lenses that you're watching the games through
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 9: now and how Mariners are watching the games now. After
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: that eight game winning streak, when we all felt like
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 9: we saw the potential of this team, even with missing
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 9: Brendan Donovan and Cal Rawley, the opportunity for them to
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 9: actually go on that type of run and take care
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 9: of business. I'm curious if you're watching through the lenses
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 9: of I can see the minor details that are winning
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 9: and losing games, and when you see them, you're like, ah,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 9: that makes sense. It's not because the offense thinks, it's
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 9: not because the pitching staffs thinks. It's that one little
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 9: moment that can change the course of a whole night
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 9: in any game.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian Healy is with us and man, just a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: couple of bizarre games, And I gotta get your thoughts
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: on how Dan's using his bullpen, because it's been a
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: huge topic here the last couple of days and really
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: for a lot of the season.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: For me.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I play right there. I'm armchair manager. I'm playing along.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I promise you I don't do hindsight and that you
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: know you give up two runs and you have a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: problem with the decision. If I have a problem with
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: the decision, I had the problem with the what went
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: what went into the discs, not the result of the decision.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: And so I would say I've been having some issues
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: with Dan's choices with his bullpen, and I'm wondering if
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: you're going through the same thing yourself.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Now that you're a big time Mariner's analyst.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 9: Can you be more specific? What are your biggest grapes.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: I want to be specific with my answer.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take one example from yesterday, like Matt Brash
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: for example. I mean, he's pitched one time in seven days.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: You clearly saved him for last night, and then because
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: you go, you don't give him a clean inning. You
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: let Chriswell go a second, and he just pitched the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: night before. Now Brash is rushing to get into the game.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: He didn't look to me, and he's not struggled with
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: his command this year. He didn't look to me like
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: he was ready to pitch last night.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: The guy that you saved for the night.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Has to bail out somebody else and you only get
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: two outs out of him when you are trying to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: piece together twelve outs and a ballgame with a bullpen
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: that obviously you're using it as if it's tired, because
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: there are so many guys that you're deeming unavailable to you.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: So stuff like that.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: That's just one example of many. But I've been having
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: an issue with it and I'm just wondering if you've
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: been having any issues with it.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 9: No, it's tough to nap, not as much. And part
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 9: of it, I believe, is like there's a picture that's
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: really missing right now in Bargas. Like Vargas was that
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: bridge guy that had the high leverage stuff but could
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: bridge some of those emergency situations.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: Bizarro's kind of turned into that as well.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 9: I think he's always been kind of the seventh inning
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 9: guy plus a high leverage spot that shows up earlier
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 9: in the game, you know, forrare. I feel like plugs
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 9: into so many different holes in that bullpen when there
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: are guys that are unavailable, which has been so nice.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 9: Brash's command hasn't looked really sharp to me any time
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 9: that I've seen him pitch since he's come back from
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 9: the eye yell. This command doesn't look automatic. It still
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 9: looks like he's searching. I would put him in Munio
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 9: the similar buckets of like the sweeper is really great
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 9: and it's nasty, but when it's not in the zone
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 9: early in counts to entice the hitters to swing as
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 9: they progress, like when they face a really patient line
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 9: up this bullpen, it's tough because they fall behind, you know,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: one oh two, oh two one really quickly, and then
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 9: all of a sudden, it's the automatic fastball. And I
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: don't care if you throw one hundred and one or
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 9: if you throw ninety three. A big leaguer is gonna
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: get on time with it. The here's the thing, though,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 9: about great teams in the major leagues. The best teams
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: in the league don't have the highest innings pitched of bullpens.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 9: Why because the starters are able to stretch the game
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: into the seventh or sixth inning consistently. So I don't
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 9: think we're sitting here saying we want the bullpen to
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 9: throw more innings, because what we want actually is fans,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: is we want that bullpen to be as healthy as
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 9: humanly possible when it comes to August, September, and then
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: especially through October, and then that's when it's all hands
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: on deck.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: It's a full sprint, but there is some navigation.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 9: And I'm trying to give the front office and the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: coaching staff some credit that they've been through this journey
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 9: last year of going really deep in the postseason. They're
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: learning from their experience of how can we better utilize
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 9: the relievers earlier in the season so that they do
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 9: feel one hundred percent or close to it when the
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 9: games are du or dye.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about the starting pitching then, because we've
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: gone to a six man rotation and Ashley and I
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: were discussing earlier. I thought one of the benefits of that,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: you're down a relief pitcher, but you're also giving your
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: pitchers starting pitchers an extra day rest. And yet they've
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: not budged on that window. If you're between eighty five
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: and ninety five pitches at the end of an inning,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: we don't send you back out for the next inning.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Should they push the envelope a little bit there? Should
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Emerson Hancock have gone out for a sixth inning considering
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: the fact that you are acting as if your bullpen
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: is at the end of its rope, with how careful
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: you're being with usage.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: Right now, I don't have the exact pitch count, but
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: I thought I saw ninety stretching two, Okay, sonety two.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 9: I thought I saw stretch a little bit further. I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: think I don't think I know that teams have a
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 9: formula and they have a system of how they're going
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: to operate within their starting pitching, and if that's what
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 9: they are projecting is the best opportunity to keep these
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 9: six guys healthy for the rest of the season, they're
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 9: gonna continue executing it.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: But I also believe that the second half of.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 9: The season they'll start to use their eyes a little
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: bit more and use less of the numbers and the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 9: process that they're executing right now. It just seems so
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: clear to me that with every single pitcher there is
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 9: a plan. Not just for the short term. This game
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 9: is dueber die. This is for the games that start
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: after the one sixty two finish. It got so close
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: last year that it just looks like to me that
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: this team is making decisions based off of where they
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: want their staff to be in September and October.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: I get it. I get it.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: What did you think of Emerson's chewing out of Johnny
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Pareda on the mount. I didn't know he had that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: in him. I really, he's just such a He's just
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: such a sweet young man, and yet he knew exactly
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: what he wanted from Parada and he let him have
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: it on the mound.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: I didn't see that live, But.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 9: What my guess is that their relationship's pretty good. Okay,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 9: And there's a lot of trust there. So for Emerson
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: to be able to speak up and speak his mind freely,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: I actually respect that. Is he gonna have that same
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: conversation with cal Rawley? Probably not, But I do understand
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 9: the competitor's mindset of things that are said between the
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 9: lines can't be held up in the court of law
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 9: when the game is done, because I'm not that sane
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 9: human right now. I'm functioning purely from a place of
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 9: high emotion and high energy.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: One last thing about pictures and then I'll move on
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: for you for your benefit andres Munos, I mean, they're
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: obviously keeping him in that closure role.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: I would keep him in that closure role. What would
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Ryan Healy do?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 7: I was so happy to see him back out the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: next day.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: Everyone knows the free bases to have to stop, and
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 9: I would say the game of inches, in the game
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 9: of you know, really close, calls that challenge what that did.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 9: Last night, I was watching the bottle of the ninth
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 9: inning and I was thinking, man, the fact that that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 9: run didn't score on that double play from Julio to
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 9: Bliss and then also the strike three to Pete Alonzo
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 9: to run saving plays there was a walk that Muna's
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 9: had the ninth inning last night, Yeah, but the tying
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 9: run was still standing on deck. Whereas if one of
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 9: those two run scores, Munyos walks, that guy, now the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 9: tying runs standing to play and they're swinging away from
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: time to game like, those are the moments. And I
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: guess is as a fan, if you're feeling the anxiety
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 9: of your closer, who is so good and has been
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 9: so great over his career coming in of oh my gosh,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 9: she's gonna get it done today, you can imagine that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 9: he's probably feeling some of that too. So now Munyo's
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 9: is battling that internal voice standing in the pitcher's mount
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 9: of am I gonna get the job done today?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Verse?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 9: I need to execute this pitch And it's a constant
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 9: push and pull, every single one. And I would like
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 9: to see them keep him in that role and allow
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 9: him the opportunity to work through this because this experience.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: Of the failure and that that mind, that kind of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: that man.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: How do I say this properly for the air, there's
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 9: a there's a voice in your head that we call
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 9: a certain name that isn't kind, but there's a voice
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: in your head. That's like, try convince you of the
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 9: fact that you might stink as a player, or that
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 9: you can't get the job done, And it's not truthful,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 9: but it can happen. And to see him work through
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 9: that day in and day out, and the Mariners continue
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 9: to throw him out there to allow him to work
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 9: through that could serve him so so good and this
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 9: team so well in the long run.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean the stuff's still there.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: I mean he threw a couple of his nastiest sliders
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: he threw all season long last night. He's thrown just
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: as hard as we need him to throw. It's just
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: a command thing. So I don't think he's that far
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: off if and so it's just a matter of getting
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: him back into rhythm. Ryan Healey as with It's former
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Mariner now part of Mariner's television crew. So last time
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: we checked, we had a shortstop issue. Who do we
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: play at shortstop? And now we might not have either
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: one of them for a little while, depending on the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: news we get about Cold Emerson's back. But that was
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: a little shocking to find out that JP went on
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: the IL, which I wasn't expecting. And then moments later
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Cold Emerson's unavailable as well.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: What was your reaction in that moment?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: I was shocked as well.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 9: I think the game started and I was actually in
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 9: the batting cage to work with some hitters, and I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: pulled up the game real quick and the Marriagers were
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 9: down one nothing, and the first thing I saw was
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 9: JP Crawford goes in the IL and then Colt Emerson scratched.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: I was like, oh no, who's playing short? M Like
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: they had to have made a move.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 9: And then I saw Ryan Blizz came up and say, okay,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 9: they have some coverage at least to play there. And
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 9: then I saw Cole Young was playing short. It was like,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 9: oh I saw Cole play play shortstop in spring training,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 9: Like he can be serviceable there, no problem.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: But it just made me think immediately, like where's Brendan Donovan?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 9: And we probably haven't talked about Brendan Donovan a ton
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: because of how good Colt Emerson has been. But this
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 9: is the moment when you're like, man, where's the middle
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 9: infield depth that this team and organization has And they
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 9: have the bodies, but unfortunately there's a ton them on
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 9: the IL right now. But let's just say this from
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 9: I understand, how different does this team look without JP
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 9: Crawford in it.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I would like to see it, honestly, because I was
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: gonna ask you about Brendan Donovan. That was gonna be
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: my next question when he comes back, what's it look like?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: I honestly, Ryan would like to see Emerson at short
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: and Donovan at third.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: And I know you don't feel that way.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 9: I don't, but listen, I understand why you want Emerson
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 9: to play shortstop. I completely understand. And the numbers can
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: validate some things. But also the numbers are so accessible
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 9: to fans and media. But what fans and media don't
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 9: have is they don't have that eye of seeing how
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 9: productive an infielder outfitter is on a day to day basis.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 9: And I was talking to Perry Hill about this because
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 9: my question was about Julio and then some of the
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 9: infielders and the numbers and analytics, like how much do
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 9: you look at that? He goes it doesn't make sense
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 9: to me. He's like, the numbers don't add up the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 9: league wide analytics that they use. There are some that
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 9: are that are valid, but they're also very skewed and
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 9: just for fans perspective. Teams have started making their own
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 9: analytical formulas to evaluate a defender because they don't trust
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 9: the ones that are league wide, so they've started to
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 9: find their own ways to evaluate a player's value. It's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 9: and it's it's so fascinating to me, and it's not
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 9: something I ever said of the player. I do think
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 9: that there's a prob there's a rotation of JP Coult
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 9: playing shortstop, but I think JP's bat has been so effective.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 9: The traffic he creates on the bass path in front
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 9: of those two three four hitters does so much good
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 9: for this team. I do think that Brendan Donovan probably
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 9: does lead off when he comes back, and you look
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 9: at his number like we're missing a like the Matters
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 9: are missing an eight fifty plus ops player right now
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 9: the season three hundred bats and that would be a
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 9: massive jolt right now. But also credit to Colt Emerson.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 9: He has anchored down third base defensively and then it
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 9: has stole some runs and some hits from a lot
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 9: of real good players. And wherever he plays, he's gonna
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 9: be special.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: So if I'm reading into this, Ryan Heay keeps JP
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: at shortstop. Emerson is your third baseman, So where would
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: you then put Brendon Donovan.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 9: There'll be a rotation of those. I think Brendan Donovan
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: will give Cole Young a blow once in a while.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 9: I think Brendan Donovan can slot into And here's the issue.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 9: You can't slot actually Brendan Donovan into one of the
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 9: out to positions because you're not gonna you might give
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 9: Randy roserena a day. But also that you posts every
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 9: single day, and you already got a platoon situation going
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 9: on the right field, so adding a left handed bat
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 9: to an already left handed.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 7: Heavy rotation will be tough.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 9: I really think that it's gonna have to be a
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 9: consistent rotation between the three infield spots of second, short,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 9: and third, where you see four infielders now playing three
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 9: spots and.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 7: You just kind of move them in a cycle.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: That's satisfactory. Everybody be satisfied with that.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 9: You think, No, it's a lot of people are gonna
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 9: completely dislike it, And I don't know if the Mariners
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 9: will enjoy it either, and I don't know if the
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 9: players will enjoy it either. But it goes back to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 9: the starting surplus conversation that we've had.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: A pickyback short stuff.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: It's a good problem to have.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 9: And I was dying, dying, laughing because I think the
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 9: Pirates did a piggyback the week after the Mariners were
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 9: going to the sixth meritation.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: I was like, Oh, there's that trigger word. Someone else
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 7: is doing it.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe they they started doing it.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah's it worked and when you look at the performance,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 9: it worked for the Mariners.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: Hot topic though, my goodness, yeah, no doubt no.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: And it's still is triggering for a lot of fans
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: even though it did work, just the word itself.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 7: I don't like the word anymore. I'm done with it.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 7: It's it's a starter, surplus.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Starter surplus, got it all right?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you, We thank you. I mean, I
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: had like thirteen more questions. I'm like, how do I
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: ask him one more in the time we have allowed?
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: But you know what, I think this is a good
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: time to break it off. So great to see you.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Great breakdown.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: We appreciate it. We'll do it again next.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 7: We'll see you next week.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a lot to cover. Yeah yeah, all right.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: There he is Ryan Heley, former Mariner, joining us right
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: here on Chuck and Buck in the Morning, a segment
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: brought to you by Dinos Pub in Renton. Yes, a
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: great place to watch the game, just to hang out,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: maybe run into John Schneider. Dino's Pub in Renton is
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: your place for possible John Schneider encounters.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, if that's not a ringing endorsement, then what.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Is coming up next? I really did have like thirteen
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: more questions for Ryan.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: I know when I was like when I you know,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 6: I always let him know, like, Hey, these are some
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: of the things we might talk about.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: I was like, there's just too much and he's just
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: gonna know. I don't need to send him a whole
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: long list.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Coming up next, though, we are going to do sup
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: with you because we've asked you to help us. How
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: do you want us on this show particularly? I don't
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: want to speak for anybody else at KJAR any of
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: the other shows, but for this show particularly, I really
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: do want to know. How do you want us to
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: cover the World Cup for you? Sports Radio ninety three
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• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: cover here on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings.
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  Speaker 2: Because I frankly don't know what to do. I really don't.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: I know you don't want analysis from me. You shouldn't
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: want analysis from me, and I don't want to give.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: It to you.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: No, I don't think anyone wants analysis from us. So
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: we've got that going for us. That's good news.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not equipped for that. So how do you want
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: us to cover the World Cup for you? So you
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: at least get some of it in the morning. So
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: maybe you don't want it at all. So whatever, whatever
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: your thoughts are, suck with you. Four nine four or
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: five to one, talkback, YouTube, a lot of ways to
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: communicate with us.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: What do we got from the two o six up?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: Just remember the US underperforms. If the US underperforms, it's
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: Dan Wilson's fault. Just keep hammering on that, all right.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: So is that am I taking that as your Is
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: that a criticism of me?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: I think it's okay. Just focus on the Mariners more.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: We've also got this one that's along those lines from
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: the fourty five. I'd much rather you be willing to
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: call out Munos for being awful this year. I'll get
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: my soccer news from ESPN.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Oh man, he's not been here, not awful. Yeah, but
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: he hadn't been awful. Yeah, so I just don't agree
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: I agree with them the two five three. Let's talk
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: about gambling on soccer and try to win some money.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: Make it about who's covering spreads and player props that
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: are on a hot streak.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: Let's win some money.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so more of a gambling I don't even
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know one person who gambles on soccer. Yeah
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't either, until that you read that.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't even consider that, And that's silly on my
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: part because obviously.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: I mean Brendan Soresby's gonna bet. Yeah, I know that. Sure,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: you know he's all in on Trinidad and Tobago.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he was probably betting on the friendlies, probably
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: probably probably taking Texas Tech minus the half goal. So yeah,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: that's an interesting angle. Don't do you know any soccer
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: gambling experts?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: I don't, but I'm sure we could find one.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Jackson Feltz or Andrews, because that absolutely
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: we should be doing it.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fun.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna write I'm gonna actually write that down.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: So the gambling angle, and I've already written down like
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: schedule wise, like updating you on pivotal games even if
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: I don't provide analysis, which I won't, updating you on
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: pivotal games and what they might mean to the big picture. Okay,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: so that's what we're that's what we're gonna do with.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: We've got two things so far.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Four two five says zero soccer coverage is great,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: thanks guys.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, yep, okay, even though it's the World Cup.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: Even though it's the World Cup, that's what they're saying.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: Let's see if two five three says your team vibe,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: tell us about the festivities and local vibe, and that
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: kind of coincides with from the four two five. All
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: I want to hear about this World Cup is traffic
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 6: updates and where I need to avoid.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: So people want to know locally, like how it's affecting them.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: See. I was just having this conversation with Ashley off
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: the air, and I'm a I'm kind of a pullback there,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: cover kind of hosts. Bosses usually hate that, but I
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: was saying, I think it's more of a topic for
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: our friends down the hallway. It's bender and lifestyle stuff. Yeah,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: it's Bender and Jody and Jewble. I think that they
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: are probably going to talk about it more than what
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about it at KGA R. Not
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: that we're not aware of it, but the but providing analysis.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've got two young up and comers in
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: the soccer analysis world.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: That pretty much it. I mean, I don't trust anybody else's.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: I don't trust softies analysis of soccer.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: Not on the station. But that's why we're bringing in
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: Brad Evans.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Well Evans.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna have guests, for sure, that's a given.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have guests to talk about the US team
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: and the entire tournament at large. But I think it
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: is more of a it's taking over Seattle, and that's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: more of a like a lifestyle conversation than it really
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: is a sports.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Talk radio subject.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: But I might be wrong. Please correct me. That's why
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: we're doing this exercise. Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got more votes for soccer gamblings, So there
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: we go.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna put a star by it now.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 6: The two six says, just embrace it, especially when the
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: US plays Australia here in Seattle. Go to a local
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: soccer watering hole and dive on in, then come back
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: the next day and report on it. So that's still
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: more of the lifestyle, more of how you know things
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: are around town.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, soaking it all up.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: I tell you what.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Kangaroo and Kiwi? Is that still around there in Ballard?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: I don't hang I used to live in Ballard. I
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: don't hang around there too much, but that was a
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: great place to watch rugby. I'd go there for rugby games. Uh,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: and so I would imagine that's still hopping to this day.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: I know who would know.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Jackson will ask him about that on Thursday.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good idea. Marcus says, love the World Cup,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: but not a big soccer fan. Bar talk for the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: group we're in. No analysis, just bar talk.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: This bar talk. Yeah, okay, what is that though?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: I think just like, oh, you know, just the big
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: highlights whatever, what people are talking about on social media.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: Oh did you miss that? Did you see that? Yeah
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: that was awesome. Oh they flopped blah.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah. The buzz it.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: So if another French and headbutts somebody in the middle
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: of the chest, we should talk about that. Then that
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: becomes a topic and we go use it. Dawn, thank
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: you for knowing what I was referring to.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: You're welcome.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but not if somebody fakes an injury.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: In the Cameroon game, right, that's definitely not because.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: There will be thirteen of those in the first.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: Half, that's right. Okay, the two O six says please
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: no soccer.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's the easiest way for me. That's just cutting
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: right to the chase. But honestly, I do want to
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: provide flavor for here on the show. I mean, we're
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: a part of this world, right, We're a part of
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: this community, and it is a it's the biggest sporting event.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest sporting event that there is.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Is a really big.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Damn deal, and yet I'm just ill equipped to cover
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: it the way that I would normally cover a major
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: sporting Right.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: We don't want to be pretenders.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: I don't want to just sit here faking things so
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: that we because we're supposed to.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: We've got from the two six.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: It's not too many times that a US team is
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: considered an underdog in a sport.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: In soccer, it is.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: Imagine if we go on a run, it would be
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: like the miracle on ice, but on the pitch, you
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: would want to be a part of that, wouldn't you.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: So that's like the talk though, the buzz, that's the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: stuff that you talk about.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Team USA, how they did things like that, any
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 6: crazy stories, If there's a Cinderella team that just goes crazy,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: I guess US would be the Cinderella team.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: And I think we were already planning on doing that.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: When we're having Brad Evans on tomorrow and most a
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: lot of art not most, but a lot of the
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: conversation's going to be about Team USA and whether they're
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: ready for that, So that seems to be a given.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: We're going to have anders On and Jackson, we'll certainly. Yeah,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: I think every time we crack the mics, the US
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: team's going to be mentioned. Crack the mics about the
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: World Cup, that is, Yeah, the US Team's going to
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: be woven in there somewhat. So probably should have been
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: said before we even asked for text, But I'm glad
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: that you did mention that, because certainly that's an angle
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: we'll cover.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, we got this one from the three six no
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: Soccer scores and maybe US highlights.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: That's enough, Ashley, what's five Iron's handicap. Well, he'd be
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: mad if I told you it's a two?
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? Why would he be mad about that?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: Pretty high for him right now?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, I thought, isn't that good?
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: It is good, it's just a he's been better, so
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: he would say he's not playing very well.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Right, all right, But there we go.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: I think I think it's about it too.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's true handicap is his sensitivity to his handy.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he'd really be mad. I just
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I don't know. I think it's a two.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: He's gonna be like, no, don't talk about it. Yeah,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: and it's real.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, scores certainly will be handled and what's on
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: tap and in headlines for sure.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: So yes, we got that covered.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 6: And from the four two five stup Chuck and' ash.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: What's up with Bucky? Is he really on medical leave
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 6: or is he just getting ready for the home run derby?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: We honestly don't know.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Now there is this law that we aren't really allowed
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: to even contact him right because of because of the leave. Yeah,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: because he's on medical leave, and so the company can't
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: look like we're putting any pressure on him at all
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: to come back, right, So if you give him a phone,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: even if it's encouragement, Hey can't wait to get you back,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: or hey, how's it, then that can.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: Be putting pressuring him one way or another.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: That could be seen as he's feeling pressure to come back.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: And so there's really we don't know. And I think
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: there's a very good chance he's just taking the time
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: off to watch the World Cup.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: And get ready for the home run derby.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: I mean that's what you're asking, way to use a
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 6: good way to put your time to good use. Though
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: the answer is yes, yes, What was the question again?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: Yes? The question was is he really on medical leave
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: or is he taking the time to train for the
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: home run derby?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: And yes, Okay, there you go.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: I have a two three. This is the last one.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: Don't cover soccer at all.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: I don't care about Bosnia her gertsmeanor I'd rather over
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: water polo.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: Just keep doing what you do, all right, her girz demeanor.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: I like it sounds like a really sweet wine. Yeah
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: it made in the Middle East.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, girz demeanor.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 7: There you go.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: Well wait, last one?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: Sorry?
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: Four?
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: Five?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: Sup?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 7: What do you mean?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: The World Cup starts this week. Check kept telling me
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: it starts in two weeks. Thank you, good one.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: I believe right now it's two officially two weeks away, yeah,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: right now from today from Mark there you go, yeah,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: two weeks away, all right, one last thing next, thank you.
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